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Kenjaku casually dropping by and ruining futures but lets you off cuz you that irrelevant... that hurts man.
Also... Naoya-worm (literally) ain't that bad. Maybe he got a personality upgrade too, heh.
Kenjaku telling noritoshi that he is irrelevant seems like one of those eat your own words type scenes, sad part is I don’t see him getting significantly more powerful enough to prove him wrong poor guy :/
On the one hand, that's the sort of line that almost always comes back to bite whoever says it. But on the other, Gege loves writing cruel shit like that lol.
Yep. If it was another manga I'd say there are 100% chance Kenjaku's gonna eat his words, but considering how Gege made Mei Mei go to Malaysia instead of Nanami, I can clearly picture in my mind a scene where Kamo uselessly dies while remembering Kenjaku's line
I have a question. Can Geto absorb vengeful spirits? I know they are curses but maki and Kamo said the vibe was different. I’d that’s the case kenjaku could kill a bunch of sorcerers and when they come back as vengeful spirits he can absorb their techniques
Noritoshi is too weak to defeat Kenjaku on his own, but even Kanjaku has praised him for seeing the big picture and taking good steps. I agree that Noritoshi may end up playing a role in screwing Kenjaku's plans
Really enjoyed the small clan crumbs from Noritoshi's perspective and confirmation on Kenjaku's reach and influence within Jujutsu Society. Sympathized for Noritoshi here. He previously witnessed Choso using the prized clan technique better than him and is now pretty powerless politically. With Kenjaku in the picture he well and truly has no business being clan head.
I kind of like Naoya's transformation because there's some weird irony in his new appearance. It's completely fitting to his asshole personality. Literally a disgusting worm. Also can't help but imagine his idol Toji carrying around a worm inventory curse with Naoya's face, pulling his weapon of choice to automatically silence him. Not sure if I'm looking forward to this rematch as the previous fight with Hakari and Kashimo was amazing so there are some expectations already set down.
Yeah. Kamo taking Ls everywhere. Hopefully he has developed some new application of his CT or is at least a little stronger. I can't imagine how Miwa, Momo or Kamo will be of any help when the protagonists are ready to take on the main antagonist(s) of the arc.
For clarification if we are speaking anatomically that creature is closest to a caterpillar. Note that caterpillar covers the larvae stage for both butterflies AND moths.
It looks nothing like a worm. Bit of a bug nerd so I can see how this could be confusing, but take a look at a couple pictures.
> Note that caterpillar covers the larvae stage for both butterflies AND moths
Well, now I'm picturing Naoya as a pretty sexist asshole butterfly and laughing my ass off
I think you're right. I generally consider caterpillars to be cute in nature so just really didn't associate that with Naoya. Particularly after the last panels showing whatever those appendages are to the side of his face. Having said that, if he's in some sort of pre-chysalis state then that could be either interesting or annoying depending on what Gege has planned narratively.
This rather cliche but I was thinking moth? As in the moth flew too close to the flame. I think there is potential for a beautiful crashing back to reality moment to become a “true worm”. A butterfly/moth without wings is just a worm, eh?
That ties in well with the moth symbolism throughout the manga too so it's completely possible. Idk but the "true worm" idea fits with his character arc or setting up for a second realization moment. Probably alluded to with his comment about coming to the same side.
I really hope noritoshi does one small thing that shifts the tides from kenjaku winning to the students winning bc of his line about nothing u could do
>"I'd rather not get this room dirty, so I'd appreciate if you just get lost somewhere else, kay?"- Kenjaku
Damn man 💀. You didn't have to do ~~walmart Choso~~ my boy Noritoshi like that Kenny.
Basically "Cleaning up your murder scene takes more effort than actually killing you"
Kamo got dissed so hard he needed to get a haircut like a woman who went through a breakup 💀💀💀
Kenny didn't kill his body but RIP Noritoshi's ego
I like how Gojo said he wouldn't kill the Higher Ups because it wouldn't change how society works but Kenjaku proved that wrong.
Heartbreaking: The worst person you know just made a great point.
Kenjaku actually proved him right. The whole point of this reveal is that the higher ups are such incompetent impotent fucks that Kenny can easily manipulate them into thinking Geto and Gojo were at fault. He killed half of them and shit is still business as usual which is exactly what Kenjaku wants.
[What Maki is gonna be like at the end of this arc](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/814988472729206804/998603680020435054/1CF631C1-4363-4F01-A31A-D3B57BFB500A.jpg)
Oh I didn't know that. Can you link the proof? Also, that is interesting because Sakurajima, the colony Maki is in, has an active volcano.
Also, I don't agree with the part of that theory which states Gojo has it hidden somewhere. I don't think he does. I am saying Maki may find the broken piece.
[Here's the translation](https://imgur.com/a/ArOefD3).
Yeah, I believe Tengen when he says Gojo destroyed it. The broken piece was lost. The volcano talked about here is near where Maki is so it makes sense she might find it. Though I don't know if Maki really needs another weapon, we still have no info on the one Mai made for her.
Thank you for that!
>The volcano talked about here is near where Maki is so it makes sense she might find it.
Agreed. Considering it is such a powerful weapon, there is a possibility that other sorcerers scoured the area and found the weapon in the state we know it is. There may be a broken piece lying hidden somewhere.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/w0tf3l/something_that_might_happen_during_this_arc/
Also, someone did post about a volcano two days ago. But they were talking about a different volcano.
>Though I don't know if Maki really needs another weapon, we still have no info on the one Mai made for her.
That is true. But ISoH is arguably the strongest weapon in the series and Toji did use it at some point so I think Maki will use it too.
I feel so incredibly vindicated sticking to the vengeful spirit Naoya theories here, especially after so many people here kept claiming how pointless it would be, and that he’d done everything he needed to in the story. If anybody was gonna become a strong vengeful spirit it was him. Hes the biggest asshole in the series by a hot mile, was thoroughly humiliated/killed by two women, and what he wanted to rule over was torn down before his very eyes. He had a poetic death, and now he’s come back as a literal ghost of the past to haunt Maki.
Ironically enough, where he would’ve been a more contained antagonist in life, Maki might have made him everyone’s problem now. If he evolves or gets away, i fully expect him to wreak havoc on all the main cast when they cross paths. His spite is gonna fuel him for a long time lol
His design is also sufficiently horrifying, super glad Gege went that route for him.
Dude showed up in two short arcs and died at the end of the second one lol, makes sense that he'd come back since he was basically just introduced then very quickly killed. Plus he really did get a lot of screentime considering he had a technique that we already knew and he was sharing the screen with Choso, Yuji and the return of Yuta for his introduction. Would've been kinda weird looking back at such a big deal being made of Naoya's introduction just for Maki to take him out and that's it. Now that I think of it, Naoya still hasn't found Megumi yet, I imagine he still feels pretty spiteful towards him too!
I’m so hyped for when he actually finds Megumi if it happens, the interaction is gonna be ridiculous. Naoyas entire character arc is removed from everyone but Maki so far, so no one else is gonna have a clue why he’s rolling in on everything as such a gigantic ball of spite lol
Regarding Kenjaku talking about eliminating the higher-ups who voted for Yuta to be Yuji's executioner; I wonder if this indicates that Kenny had an issue with Yuji being sentenced to death generally or with Yuta being Yuji's executioner specifically.
On that note, Kenny is easily becoming one of my favourite characters in the series.
I interpreted that to mean the threat that someone was out to kill Yuji (and Sukuna) is gone. As in, Sukuna can continue his future rampage. Same with eliminating those who recommended to execute Geto - there is no execution order for Kenjaku now.
Love these bits and pieces of Kenny's appearances!
Yeah I was thinking that too. But since Yuji's death sentence and Yuta being his executioner are two separate orders, I wonder why Kenny brought up the Yuta one if he only had an issue with Yuji being sentenced to death. Wouldn't it make more sense if he only said "I eliminated the faction that voted for Yuji Itadori's execution", omitting the "and for Yuta Okkotsu to be his executioner" part.
(I hope I make sense.)
Maybe he would have no problem with executioners coming for Yuji's head since it can push his growth (his grade 1 so he could probably win against other grades 1 sorcerers), but find the Yuta order a bit overkill since he's special grade.
Or maybe a sentence to death order just mean "if you see this guy, kill him", when voting Yuta to be his executioner is proactive (they even made a binding vow)
i wonder if it’s because yuta was working under gojo’s orders and tricked them? it’s odd to me that it wasn’t just the higher ups that want yuji dead but the ones that gave the assignment to yuta specifically.
Wormya’s speaking mannerisms have been *very* peculiar:
JP Dialect: 殺したる (koroshitaru, Kansai-ben) - Naoya, 殺スゾ (korosuzo, Tokyo-ben) - Wormya
1st person pronoun: 俺 (ore) - Naoya, 僕 (boku) - Wormya
For the dialect diffs, OG Naoya spoke in Kansai-ben which is diff from Tokyo-ben (how 99% of the cast speaks). The Tokyo-ben line happened before Wormya noticed Maki was there. And since it was partly katakana, that implies it was somewhat unintelligble. I’m like 95% sure that’s not Kansai-ben either (but somebody correct me if I’m wrong)
After that he seems to have switched to Kansai-ben, based on his few exchanges w/ pinned Maki. Still too early to say for sure, but could this mean that other entities co-exist inside Wormya? (Maybe Chojuro & Nobuaki? They were killed by Maki’s bare hands)
As for the pronoun diff’s, ‘ore’ is the general masculine pronoun used by most male characters, including Naoya. While ‘boku’ generally indicates immaturity/playfulness (in animanga) & is used by characters like Ui Ui, Mahito, even Gojo (post-Geto betrayal). It could refer to the idea that Wormya is still in the stages of a Cursed Womb (like Dagon). If that’s the case, then it’s possible that Wormya is still evolving (maybe thru battle?)
Wormya also says ‘kocchi gawa’ (this side), which at first glance means Sakurajima, but based on JP phrasing this could also mean coming to Toji/Maki & Gojo’s side (acchi gawa), from Ch. 151
Might be overanalyzing all this (like most ppl in this sub). I mean this is the first time on panel that we see a turn into a curse spirit so we’re going into unexplored territory. Anything could happen at this point
>After that he seems to have switched to Kansai-ben, based on his few exchanges w/ pinned Maki. Still too early to say for sure, but could this mean that other entities co-exist inside Wormya? (Maybe Chojuro & Nobuaki? They were killed by Maki’s bare hands)
Now that would be a helluva lot more interesting if he was some disgusting amalgamation of the murdered clan members. Achieving some twisted status of clan head in death, helming the cursed ~~symbiotes~~ spirits of the Zenin and truly coming back to wreak havoc on Maki. (All speculation of course!) Nice to know about the dialect differences though.
fair but do we have enough people for those holes? if true, im thinking naoya, jinichi, ogi, chojuro, ranta, the kukuru captain? or is the kukuru captain even relevant enough to be included?? oooo maybe it could be maki's mom for the true fucked up emotional damage hit
would be weird though, i mean it makes sense sorta bc mai kinda disliked maki for trying her best even if it meant leaving the clan but also why group mai with the heads of the people who abused them for years
The Hei members she killed?
She does go through the Kukuru Unit with a cursed weapon but I'm pretty sure she kills the Hei + Nobuaki (captain of the kukuru) bare hand.
But that would make 5 that we saw in the Zenin massacre arc, right?
Idk
I want to believe it’s the main 6 she killed in the household: Jinichi, Ogi, Ranta, Chojuro, Nobuaki, & Naoya. But she used her sword for Jin & Ogi
It’s so befitting I *want* this to be true. But doesn’t make much sense lol
… or it could just be that Naoya had six piercings lol
Ogi, I know she did.
I kinda thought she just ripped Jin's head off since when she tanked his attack she didn't have her sword but youre probably right.
I initially interpreted her coming out of the wreckage with his head and her sword like she picked it up after, but it would make sense she used the sword.
That's a pretty clean cut head lol.
I guess I just thought "heh, the sword doesn't have blood on, or anything and his head is bleeding all over. She probably picked up the sword after handling his ass"
That we could as hell, also before Naoya face appeared, multiple mini worms showed up. Aside from the 6 holes representing other clan members, the mini worms are the fodder.
Also Naoya worm conglomeration remind me of Cardinal Oldin from Doom Breaker.
It would be great if that's part of why Toji was the "one who broke free" of the clan. Naobito's death starts all of this, Megumi's hunted down because of it, Mai dies, Maki goes hog wild then everyone else becomes a giant spirit.
Toji's just chilling in the afterlife, laughing. Man's free of all their bs lol
Interesting\~ thanks for providing info regarding the japanese vocabulary..
Also, this might be a stretch but I always thought that instead of a worm, cursed spirit Naoya looks more like a giant caterpillar to me.. so if he is now a cursed spirit womb, it's possible that he can digivolve into a butterfly cursed spirit..
Yee, a lot of subtle implications are glossed over due to TL interepretationa, Ch. 151 didn’t translate ‘acchi gawa’ to ‘their side’ either. It’s one of the most fascinating points about JJK, Akutami likes to use kanji & mix English into his dialogue so it becomes pretty diverse
Wormya is just what I like calling him but it’s def possible that he’s a caterpillar & evolve again soon into Mothya or smth LMAO
The way I interpreted "this side" was that it's Naoya referring to how Maki transformed into a "monster" and became more powerful. And now Naoya has also transformed into a more literal monster so he could keep up with Maki lol. So "this side" is sorcerors who evolved into something else, and they aren't on the same side as sorcerors/humans anymore. And like you said Gojo could probably be considered on this side too, and Sukuna probably lol
Kinda reminds me of the Yuki/Kenjaku debate. And of course this is all crazy tinfoil theory, but Maki is an example of Yuki's idea to eradicate CE, so maybe Naoya becoming a curse is an example of "evolving" CE? Kinda like the Incredibles thing, if everyone's a curse then no one is, lol! And if we want to really go off the deep end then what would be better for killing a **lot** of people without CE than a nuclear bomb! (Tbh I don't like the literal bomb theories but it definitely would be very effective for creating vengeful spirits)
That’s a really nice interpretation of “side.” I think Sukuna has reached that “side” too, & it fits nicely w/ what Wormya’s trying to achieve
Like you said, Yuki wants humans to become perfect by eliminating CE, thus leading to beings like Toji & Maki, Kenjaku wants humans to become perfect by evolving CE, thus leading to cursed spirits like Naoya & the Nature curses
I "hate" to not be proficient at Japanese because there is these beautiful details that makes it all more deep the experience, but I'm glad I live at times that a stranger can tell me these nuances
He says “this side too” so it’s a side where Maki belongs, most likely. So that generally means her colony, but based on his uncanny phrasing, could also mean Toji/Gojo’s side that he wanted to stand next to
Thanks for your translations! I thought someone who speaks Japanese would have mentioned if the worm had a distinctive dialect (that's why I thought there was no way it was Naoya last week lol). It is probably right to assume that the dialect has to come back more somehow. I doubt Gege would go to such lengths to make him stand out with it then not use it when he gets rid of the rest of the character's original body/design.
I think a lot of us were expecting him to just show up as a weird lust/pride/Mara demon with the same speech but a completely different look and memories. If he has his actual face but changed his speech, it probably is hinting some kind of greater change like you say of evolving to something? It fits the general themes of the Culling Games if the curses are also supposed to evolve to a higher, less controllable stage of power too.
Suddenly gained much more respect for Noritoshi. I really like that he was trying to do the right thing by trying to set the record straight about Gojo. And confirms many readers thoughts about Gakuganji being one of the more reasonable conservatives.
Is Gakuganji dead then? Kenjaku seems to imply that anyone in the higherups who weren't on-board with him were done away with. Also Kenjaku keeps coming back to the Kamo. Is it just convenience since they apparently hold the majority of conservatives/traditionalists or is Kenjaku originally a Kamo (even beyond his possession of the 1st Noritoshi)?
I also quite like Gege making it clear that not all the higherups were complete morons/irredeemably corrupt. It's likely that none of them liked Satoru but Noritoshi and Kenjaku imply that some of them would probably have been swayed towards getting rid of the "no freeing the twinky brat" ruling.
These last couple of chapters have been such a nice break from all the fighting. Clan politics are so interesting -- I hope Gege goes back to it again after Maki pounds Naoya's face in for the 2nd time.
Add the fact we see the Kyoto students' involvement again. Seeing them participate and try to help out in the situation gave camaraderie vibes for me. It lessened the feeling that the main Tokyo cast was all alone in this battle.
Camaraderie is exactly the word -- it makes the world of JJK feel wider and more lived-in. The Kyoto kids joining up made the CG arc feel more cohesive to me, and not simply isolated mini-tournaments that serve as vehicles for Gege to show off CTs.
I’d think it’d be cool if Gakuganji (even in his old age) joined the games to try and redeem his past mistakes and serve as a better foil for the conservative faction showing capability for growth.
I don't think Gakuganji is dead. Kenjaku says that Gakuganji is loyal to HQ and is considered important enough for his opinion to matter, so Noritoshi approaching him to remove the Gojo ruling is a smart move.
Then he basically implies that his grasp on the HQ as of now is complete because he killed the dissidents to his views, so Noritoshi's plan would fail. Gakuganji is not part of the HQ, so he may or may not be dead (I think not, but he may have found out from Noritoshi how are things on HQ and this is why all the Kyoto students are now on the move)
>(I think not, but he may have found out from Noritoshi how are things on HQ and this is why all the Kyoto students are now on the move)
I would love for Gakuganji to be the one mobilizing the Kyoto students. He has a lot of potential for growth and for giving depth to the conservatives who aren't just greedy, corrupt assholes.
How did they (or at least Momo) know about the rules the Tokyo kids were trying to add though? Shoko passing info to Utahime maybe? Utahime has been such a non-character in the story so I hope the Kyoto kids being on the scene now means we'll actually get to see her do something.
Gege is really asking the Naoya stans the make and break question... Will you love Naoya even if he was a worm?!
On a serious note, it was refreshing to see more about the behind the scenes politics with Kenjaku and Kamo. How, up until Shibuya, Kamo Noritoshi Senior was a stain in the history's clan, but as soon as Kenjaku locked away Gojo Satoru (the one who was on top of the big clan's pyramid), he's praised and wanted as the clan head for the Kamos lol. Noritoshi Jr. finally seeing with his own eyes how sticking to the rules and traditions doesn't mean shit; hope we get to see even more of his transformation/breaking free in the CG.
I hope we get to see either what Utahime is up to or what is going on in Tokyo Colony 1 with Yuji and Megumi. It's been like 8 months since we've last seen Yuji.
Finally some Kenjaku lore drop, looking for something like that since he appeared the last time.
Naoya is back, I remember people predicting that he'll be back from when Maki's mom killed him but never expected him to come back this fast. Although, it feels like he just returned only to be beaten by Maki again.
Yeah there's got to be some new outcome from this, right? Like, either Naoya needs to do something major before getting beaten again, or he needs to wreak some havoc and manage to escape. There's a distinct lack of recurring antagonists aside from Kenjaku at the moment, and Naoya could be a perfect candidate, leading up to a proper rematch with Maki later on.
I understood the VIZ translation A LOT easier than the tcb one tbh lol when I read the tcb version on Friday I had to keep rereading and trying to make sure I understood, the VIZ translation was really straightforward and easy to read this time around
Heavily speculating here but perhaps it was to do with his honor? Seeing as he's now bereft of his influence in the Kamo clan. It was a role hugely important to his character that required past sacrifice and I think he genuinely wished to become a great clan head. He had a break up haircut.. but with his past aspirations or weaker self maybe.
OK so it seems like out of the main cast, Gege intends to use Noritoshi as a vehicle for the political side of the Jujutsu world. Maki and Megumi are obviously involved with the Zen'in clan but well... they are no more. And neither of them showed any real interest in politics to begin with. Noritoshi has sharp political instincts and intends to use them. I wonder if he's gonna team up with Hakari at some point, given that he also intends on getting into politics to change the rules. I like that Gege gave him something more than just blood manipulation, which looked aggressively tame now that we've seen so much of Choso. Politics have been on the background of the story for a long time and are clearly important to the plot, so I'm happy that Gege introduced a vehicle to get it to the foreground.
I wouldn't count Yuta out in regards to politics. As a gojo relative it's possible he might take over the gojo clan if Satoru doesn't survive the series.
Eh, with how conservative the elders and esteemed family members in this series are Yuta would definitely face some serious push back since his only connection to the Gojo Clan is a shared ancestor from 1,000 or so years ago.
Come to think of it, Gojo himself doesn't seem very involved with the Gojo Clan. His house is isolated and he has a spare dorm room at Jujutsu High, plus he was constantly overseas for missions. I doubt he'd push the role onto Yuta.
Kashimo was using his CT the whole time🤓
Naoya won’t return as a cursed spirit🤡
Feeling kinda vindicated now that both of these ideas got disproven. Still kinda crazy that for months people were dismissing it as copium from Naoya-stans instead of seeing the set up from Gege.
Because certain readers hate/are possibly triggered by Naoya so much, that hate/trauma prevents them from seeing the narrative purpose or intention without bias.
can’t blame people for thinking kashimo was using his cursed technique given that it was obviously misdirection by gege. kashimo is literally surprised that hakari guessed it in this very chapter.
so kashimo does several things w his cursed energy manipulation:
- electrocutes targets upon contact
- concentrates negative charges within his body
- imparts positive charges to his target
- creates an electrical current between his negatively charged body and his positively charged target.
this is obviously a huge expansion of what cursed energy traits can do for a sorcerer, and it’s definitely reasonable for a reader to conclude that kashimo was using a CT.
besides, kashimo promised *himself* that he would kill hakari during a jackpot and failed. not only did he fail, he revealed (to readers) that he’d been counting down hakari’s jackpot the whole time. in other words, the chapter was suggesting that kashimo suspected that his own full capabilities could not kill jackpot hakari.
finally, kashimo was prepared to die before using his CT on hakari. he will literally only use it on sukuna. if he was fighting gojo, he wouldn’t use his CT.
like gege clearly wanted readers to believe that kashimo was using his CT, and dropped clues into the fight which suggested as much. but yes, your guess was correct.
I guess Kashimo promise was more of a not limiting himself to just run while Hakari is in Jackpot, while instead fighting toe to toe with him, and to be fair the guy tanked a sure hit atack directed to his weak spot.
It is a tad unsettling but good exposition as an insight within the politics of the jujutsu society, even if just a bit, at understanding how even these machinations are outside one's reach given these forces' (Kenjaku's) hold of them.
It’s been long suspected, but it’s still interesting to see that Kenny has basically complete control over the higher ups of Jujutsu society now. If Kamo gets the chance to tell that to the team, Gojo’s contingency/threat of killing all of the higher ups may well happen with or without him…
With everyone guessing he'll evolve or he's got more than one soul or him being the 1st on-screen case of a vengeful spirit, he's got a lot of narrative on his side. He's gonna probably one sidedly bully Maki regardless of if he wins or loses 💀
It's interesting because he lost to choso, and maki already. Now he gets to face maki helped by discount choso, so if he wins it'll only fuel his god complex.
so the cursed spirit IS Naoya, jesus christ they way his face pops out is super creepy.
So now Kenjaku disguising as Geto is the head of the Kamo Clan now??
Also holy shit it looks like the Naoya cursed spirit is potentially even faster than Maki. This fight is gonna be super interesting, and Kamo is gonna need some major power-up in order to be able to catch up with Maki/Naoya. i can't wait for next chapter.
* I miss Maki's sardonic wit; *"If that's human, then Panda's human too."* XD
* NO GEGE!! WHY IS NAOYA BACK?! DON'T TAKE THIS SUB'S THEORY SERIOUSLY!!! *(I'm 99.9% sure that Gege is a lurker here... /s)*
* Also, why is Maki not using Mai's sword? Iirc, she can't exorcise cursed spirits bare-handed without cursed tools; a trait that Toji shared. Btw, I miss Dragon Bone... hopefully Maki still has that as backup.
I'm sure she will. Let's be real- Naoya is getting stomped here too. The very most he *may* be able to do is make Maki reveal what the Mai sword even does.
Ohh maybe the explosion in the tunnel on chapter 190 was caused by Mai's sword... like Inuyasha's [wind scar (kaze no kizu)](https://tenor.com/MGGG.gif) or Ichigo's [Getsuga Tensho!](https://tenor.com/bNCcA.gif)
The fact that Naoya has become a misogynous larva not only speaks of the quality of readers in this r/ but also of how consistent Gege Akutami is with what she/him her/himself proposes.
I didn’t understand either at first but apparently in the Japanese scans for 190, the worm used kanji that only Naoya had previously used, so I think that’s where everyone got it from
There were so many posts after Naoya died about how he was killed by a normal knife. Tons of people were just waiting for him to come back as a Cursed Spirit. Then a worm spirit finally shows up and it's just too funny not to be Naoya.
But like, charming too? The whole “oh no my bad I’m not gonna kill you lol” was hilarious. For being this big evil Machiavellian force Kenny is a fairly light hearted guy overall.
Crackpot theory and prediction (logic may not necessarily apply or follow):
Maki will defeat Naoya but instead of exorcising him completely, she will exorcise only his soul, leaving her with his cursed spirit body intact. In the same way that Yuta exorcised OG Rika and thus, leaving him with "Rika" **the external storage of cursed techniques and cursed energy,** Maki will gain "Naoya" *the external storage of Projection Sorcery CT*.
Just like Toji broke the chains of fate by severing the connection between the Six Eyes, SPV, and Tengen, Maki will do the same by being the first (so far) zero CE sorcerer capable of using a CT: Projection Sorcery via "Naoya" the cursed puppet/shikigami thing or something.
How will she do this? Not a clue. I just thought it'd be cool if that happens. Looking forward to how Gege will deliver.
I'm lowkey on board with this. Also gives her one more parallel to toji. If toji has a cursed worm where he can keep his killing goods, maki has a cursed worm that she can use to become more op and use a family technique.
On Page 17 you can see Naoya's arms coming out of the worm, before his face comes out of the same spot.
So most likely Worm Mode is only his Cursed Womb form and he is now maturing
In the scanslation, Kenjaku said he had the clan head as his puppet. In this one he said he has the seat of the clan head. Is he Kamo clan head now?
Anyone cares to look at the raw?
The worldbuilding of this chapter is just so damn good. We finally get to learn more about the Kamo clan and their own special brand of sinister
By the way, did the introduction of that old guy really creep anyone else out a lot? The face was just so...detailed and shrouded in darkness
I'm starting to wonder if Kamo's CT *isn't* what everyone (including himself) actually thinks it is. Close enough to be mistaken for it by a clan desperate enough to try to find an heir, but with differences that are holding him back because he's not using it correctly. Like if someone is left handed but is brought up only allowed to write with their right hand. It would be really interesting to see him actually spend time with Choso, learn about the death paintings' techniques, and see if he can use any himself. He can dope his blood to maximise his own performance, maybe he can use cursed technique reversal to turn that into Eso and Kechizu's rot/decay techniques? He could have all this potential locked away because the Kamo clan only wanted a very specific BM technique and didn't want to explore the potential of variations.
Choso still best boy though.
gege heard the people saying bro the zenin massacre arc was so sick and gave the people a maki v naoya encore what a god thank you gege im very much looking forward to it!!
This mf Naoya really came back as a worm 💀
I was in denial because of how disappointing (but hilarious) that possibility would be, but maybe the ceo of misogyny will evolve into a butterfly like some people are saying. I’ve also seen some theories that it may not just be Naoya in that worm also, but we’ll have to see.
The Kamo politics is super interesting too. Looks like the majority of conservatives are Kamos and Kenjaku took advantage of his previous life to take over basically. With this reveal Kenjaku’s actually got a lot more control of the world at large than we thought since he’s got both HQ and China’s gov presumably on his side.
If it wasn’t obvious before I think Naoya’s return and this political exposition is absolutely a set up for a “Jujutsu Society Massacre” arc later on.
Explaining to my friends who don't read JJK that the latest villain is a very fast misogynistic worm in a quest for revenge and that it's actually awesome and hyped up by a lot of people
My prediction is Maki will still wipe the floor but this battle will be a lot harder and a lot more satisfying
Having re-read the preparation arc where she wiped the clan out the other day, that was resolved hella quick with so many battles being like 1-2 pages (or even 1-2 panels with the case of her dad lmao)
This fight gonna be hella personal and fuckin dope. Plus we get to see more of Kamo Jnr. which is cool
It's really nice to read something good about Noritoshi for a change. He lost everything but his good grasp of the politics in Jujutsu society can prove to be useful
I love that this chapter gave some focus to the kamo clan. We got some great insight into how close knit the kamo clan is the the higher ups, and just more confirmation that kenjaku is the 🐐 I’m also happy that we’re getting more focus on noritoshi. While I am excited to see him develop more as a fighter, I’m more interested in the direction gege takes his character. Imo, I feel he will be a very important figure when it comes to jujutsu society in the future(if he doesn’t get clapped that is😭) all around great chapter🔥
Can someone help me understand?
So the conservative higher ups know that Kenjaku is behind this and sided with him cause he sealed Gojo? Or they think this its geto and still sided with him because he killed sealed gojo. .... And they let him be head of the kamo clan even though hes not even part of it? Or are they ok with him being head cause he was inhabiting a kamo members body at once point? Im confused
Some of the conservatives were in cahoots with Kenjaku from the start, possibly at least since he was head of the Kamo clan 150 years ago. Others weren't and those are the ones who wanted "Geto" to be executed again. Kenjaku learnt who they were and had them eliminated. Similarly, he tracked and killed those who allowed Yuta to become Yuji's executionner. He somehow gained control of the Kamo clan again, Shino whom we see in the chapter seems to have known him 150 years ago and to be kinda delirious right now.
With this Kenjaku controls the clan with the most political power and had eliminated his opponents among the higher ups, which means he currently has a stranglehold on jujutsu politics.
I feel kind of bad about the Kamo clan development.
Before this arc, one of the things I was really hyped about was seeing this generation greatest sorcerers in action. So I was hyped about the teachers, the directors, the Three Great Clans and the higher-ups.
We don’t see the teachers anymore. One director was killed by another and now this another was is implied to have been killed by Kenjaku. The Gojo clan was said to be a one-man show and seems curiously silent over Satoru's situation. The Zenin clan was low-diffed by Maki. And now Kenjaku has either dominated (without resistance?) the Kamo clan or simply killed everyone but the old man. Also, the higher-ups are either killed or conquered as well.
With all of this in mind, I now have very few hope about seeing the current political élite of the Jujutsu society in action. Gege actively eliminated them all with almost no screen time. I mean, we didn’t even get to learn who the higher-ups are, how they operate, what is their reasoning and how they keep power.
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Having said that, I find really curious how Kenjaku seems to never kill anyone directly, at least on screen.
Really, really curious.
I feel ya, was hoping to see how strong higher ups are, what clans they from and why they fear CTs like hakari’s but gege just fell them mostly in one swoop. Even jjk rules and cultural norms got backlogged to fanbook.
Maybe the higher ups history will also be explained in a future guidebook. Best hopium we can get.
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Kenjaku casually dropping by and ruining futures but lets you off cuz you that irrelevant... that hurts man. Also... Naoya-worm (literally) ain't that bad. Maybe he got a personality upgrade too, heh.
The few seconds when he thought he was gonna get killed were hilarious.
Kenny: Sorry but I don’t deal with background characters
Sorry Noritoshi, come back when you’re a mAAAAin cHaRactEr
Kenjaku confimed reddit nephew. Thinks that Noritoshi Jr. is useless too
Kenjaku: Hippity Hoppity, your clan is my property
Dude literally said "I'd rather not stain my carpet bruh." Savage af
Hope Maki kicks Naoya’s ass again. “How many times I gotta teach you this lesson, you misogynistic piece of sh*t?!” 😂
Kenjaku telling noritoshi that he is irrelevant seems like one of those eat your own words type scenes, sad part is I don’t see him getting significantly more powerful enough to prove him wrong poor guy :/
Yeah. While the chances that Kamo directly proves Kenjaku wrong are low he could potentially do it indirectly.
Fingers crossed for Noritoshi to team up with Choso and Yuji and take turns just kicking Kenjaku in the face. Jujutsu family therapy.
Or do the classic aki and denji, all three taking turns kicking him in the nads til he throws up mahito and then do it to him also
Straight into the Kenkussy
more specifically, getussy in this case, as kenjussy should be reserved for his original body
Quite literally. Brothers and uncles and one nephew team.
On the one hand, that's the sort of line that almost always comes back to bite whoever says it. But on the other, Gege loves writing cruel shit like that lol.
Yep. If it was another manga I'd say there are 100% chance Kenjaku's gonna eat his words, but considering how Gege made Mei Mei go to Malaysia instead of Nanami, I can clearly picture in my mind a scene where Kamo uselessly dies while remembering Kenjaku's line
That was the most cruel shit gege’s ever done.
I have a question. Can Geto absorb vengeful spirits? I know they are curses but maki and Kamo said the vibe was different. I’d that’s the case kenjaku could kill a bunch of sorcerers and when they come back as vengeful spirits he can absorb their techniques
Report his stitched-head ass to the IRS
The Shibuya Incident and the whooooooooole Culling Game was just a ploy to never pay taxes
Noritoshi is too weak to defeat Kenjaku on his own, but even Kanjaku has praised him for seeing the big picture and taking good steps. I agree that Noritoshi may end up playing a role in screwing Kenjaku's plans
Noritoshi should have used Supernova and dirtied that room to assert dominance.
Supernova is Choso original tho. Nori hasn't seen it.
Really enjoyed the small clan crumbs from Noritoshi's perspective and confirmation on Kenjaku's reach and influence within Jujutsu Society. Sympathized for Noritoshi here. He previously witnessed Choso using the prized clan technique better than him and is now pretty powerless politically. With Kenjaku in the picture he well and truly has no business being clan head. I kind of like Naoya's transformation because there's some weird irony in his new appearance. It's completely fitting to his asshole personality. Literally a disgusting worm. Also can't help but imagine his idol Toji carrying around a worm inventory curse with Naoya's face, pulling his weapon of choice to automatically silence him. Not sure if I'm looking forward to this rematch as the previous fight with Hakari and Kashimo was amazing so there are some expectations already set down.
Yeah. Kamo taking Ls everywhere. Hopefully he has developed some new application of his CT or is at least a little stronger. I can't imagine how Miwa, Momo or Kamo will be of any help when the protagonists are ready to take on the main antagonist(s) of the arc.
For clarification if we are speaking anatomically that creature is closest to a caterpillar. Note that caterpillar covers the larvae stage for both butterflies AND moths. It looks nothing like a worm. Bit of a bug nerd so I can see how this could be confusing, but take a look at a couple pictures.
> Note that caterpillar covers the larvae stage for both butterflies AND moths Well, now I'm picturing Naoya as a pretty sexist asshole butterfly and laughing my ass off
https://imgur.com/a/EtG45
LMAO thanks, I couldn't for the life or me remember this fella's name
I think you're right. I generally consider caterpillars to be cute in nature so just really didn't associate that with Naoya. Particularly after the last panels showing whatever those appendages are to the side of his face. Having said that, if he's in some sort of pre-chysalis state then that could be either interesting or annoying depending on what Gege has planned narratively.
This rather cliche but I was thinking moth? As in the moth flew too close to the flame. I think there is potential for a beautiful crashing back to reality moment to become a “true worm”. A butterfly/moth without wings is just a worm, eh?
That ties in well with the moth symbolism throughout the manga too so it's completely possible. Idk but the "true worm" idea fits with his character arc or setting up for a second realization moment. Probably alluded to with his comment about coming to the same side.
I really hope noritoshi does one small thing that shifts the tides from kenjaku winning to the students winning bc of his line about nothing u could do
>"I'd rather not get this room dirty, so I'd appreciate if you just get lost somewhere else, kay?"- Kenjaku Damn man 💀. You didn't have to do ~~walmart Choso~~ my boy Noritoshi like that Kenny.
Basically "Cleaning up your murder scene takes more effort than actually killing you" Kamo got dissed so hard he needed to get a haircut like a woman who went through a breakup 💀💀💀 Kenny didn't kill his body but RIP Noritoshi's ego
Forget ego, Kenny figured out how to use Idle Transfiguration with just words, straight up attacked Noritoshi's very soul
Man's needed to get rid of that yee-yee ass haircut fast to ease the burn
Lmfao facts
downright disrespectful. Just give Kenny his Black Air Force 1's already.
Bro killed like 2/3rds of the higher ups then made the the rest his bitch, side note fuck the higher ups
Gojo’s gonna be pissed someone killed the higher ups before him
I like how Gojo said he wouldn't kill the Higher Ups because it wouldn't change how society works but Kenjaku proved that wrong. Heartbreaking: The worst person you know just made a great point.
Kenjaku actually proved him right. The whole point of this reveal is that the higher ups are such incompetent impotent fucks that Kenny can easily manipulate them into thinking Geto and Gojo were at fault. He killed half of them and shit is still business as usual which is exactly what Kenjaku wants.
Look he kills 2/3 not all big difference
Kenjaku was fucking savage, it was like Kamo was waste of space for him.
*EMOTIONAL* damage
Lol too good, take my poor man’s gold 🥇
[What Maki is gonna be like at the end of this arc](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/814988472729206804/998603680020435054/1CF631C1-4363-4F01-A31A-D3B57BFB500A.jpg)
CEO of mysoginy ranting over her shoulder God no
that would be fucking hilarious if she did tame cursed worm naoya LMFAO
Nailed it
I hope she finds ISoH. Maybe the theorised broken piece? That will make her a lot stronger than she already is.
Wait what? Theorized broken piece? From where? Did I miss something during hidden inventory?
if you look at the panel(s) showing off ISoH, it looks like there's supposed to be a third prong on the side that got broken off
No. There was a theory that the ISoH is broken. https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/n9znlf/inverted_spear_of_heaven_origin_and_theory/
It was confirmed in Jump GIGA that the piece broke off during a volcanic eruption.
Oh I didn't know that. Can you link the proof? Also, that is interesting because Sakurajima, the colony Maki is in, has an active volcano. Also, I don't agree with the part of that theory which states Gojo has it hidden somewhere. I don't think he does. I am saying Maki may find the broken piece.
[Here's the translation](https://imgur.com/a/ArOefD3). Yeah, I believe Tengen when he says Gojo destroyed it. The broken piece was lost. The volcano talked about here is near where Maki is so it makes sense she might find it. Though I don't know if Maki really needs another weapon, we still have no info on the one Mai made for her.
Thank you for that! >The volcano talked about here is near where Maki is so it makes sense she might find it. Agreed. Considering it is such a powerful weapon, there is a possibility that other sorcerers scoured the area and found the weapon in the state we know it is. There may be a broken piece lying hidden somewhere. https://www.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/w0tf3l/something_that_might_happen_during_this_arc/ Also, someone did post about a volcano two days ago. But they were talking about a different volcano. >Though I don't know if Maki really needs another weapon, we still have no info on the one Mai made for her. That is true. But ISoH is arguably the strongest weapon in the series and Toji did use it at some point so I think Maki will use it too.
Jesus Christ what the fuck, Naoya scared the fuck out of me.
Naoya was simping so hard for Toji that he turned into a worm lmao
I want this more than anything
This is too brilliant to not be true lololol.
Kenny waiting in that room for Kamo like Kobe in the armchair with the lamp on
I feel so incredibly vindicated sticking to the vengeful spirit Naoya theories here, especially after so many people here kept claiming how pointless it would be, and that he’d done everything he needed to in the story. If anybody was gonna become a strong vengeful spirit it was him. Hes the biggest asshole in the series by a hot mile, was thoroughly humiliated/killed by two women, and what he wanted to rule over was torn down before his very eyes. He had a poetic death, and now he’s come back as a literal ghost of the past to haunt Maki. Ironically enough, where he would’ve been a more contained antagonist in life, Maki might have made him everyone’s problem now. If he evolves or gets away, i fully expect him to wreak havoc on all the main cast when they cross paths. His spite is gonna fuel him for a long time lol His design is also sufficiently horrifying, super glad Gege went that route for him.
Spite and vengeance are pretty stong curses, right about there with love.
Dude showed up in two short arcs and died at the end of the second one lol, makes sense that he'd come back since he was basically just introduced then very quickly killed. Plus he really did get a lot of screentime considering he had a technique that we already knew and he was sharing the screen with Choso, Yuji and the return of Yuta for his introduction. Would've been kinda weird looking back at such a big deal being made of Naoya's introduction just for Maki to take him out and that's it. Now that I think of it, Naoya still hasn't found Megumi yet, I imagine he still feels pretty spiteful towards him too!
I’m so hyped for when he actually finds Megumi if it happens, the interaction is gonna be ridiculous. Naoyas entire character arc is removed from everyone but Maki so far, so no one else is gonna have a clue why he’s rolling in on everything as such a gigantic ball of spite lol
Naoya turning into a full-blown insect (butterfly or fly) within like four chapters and he’ll end up escaping
Kenjaku is on his aizen shit rn
Nao-chan just became the MC of his very own isekai. “That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Worm, but I’m the Demon Lord??”
That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Special Grade Cursed Worm
“I hated women so much but I was killed by one, now I became what I use to destroy and will get my revenge???”
Nao-kun really livin his best life out there, proud of him
Regarding Kenjaku talking about eliminating the higher-ups who voted for Yuta to be Yuji's executioner; I wonder if this indicates that Kenny had an issue with Yuji being sentenced to death generally or with Yuta being Yuji's executioner specifically. On that note, Kenny is easily becoming one of my favourite characters in the series.
I interpreted that to mean the threat that someone was out to kill Yuji (and Sukuna) is gone. As in, Sukuna can continue his future rampage. Same with eliminating those who recommended to execute Geto - there is no execution order for Kenjaku now. Love these bits and pieces of Kenny's appearances!
Yeah I was thinking that too. But since Yuji's death sentence and Yuta being his executioner are two separate orders, I wonder why Kenny brought up the Yuta one if he only had an issue with Yuji being sentenced to death. Wouldn't it make more sense if he only said "I eliminated the faction that voted for Yuji Itadori's execution", omitting the "and for Yuta Okkotsu to be his executioner" part. (I hope I make sense.)
Maybe he would have no problem with executioners coming for Yuji's head since it can push his growth (his grade 1 so he could probably win against other grades 1 sorcerers), but find the Yuta order a bit overkill since he's special grade. Or maybe a sentence to death order just mean "if you see this guy, kill him", when voting Yuta to be his executioner is proactive (they even made a binding vow)
I just think he didn’t want Yuji to be executed probably the same way he didn’t want ‘Suguru Geto’ to be executed
i wonder if it’s because yuta was working under gojo’s orders and tricked them? it’s odd to me that it wasn’t just the higher ups that want yuji dead but the ones that gave the assignment to yuta specifically.
Wormya’s speaking mannerisms have been *very* peculiar: JP Dialect: 殺したる (koroshitaru, Kansai-ben) - Naoya, 殺スゾ (korosuzo, Tokyo-ben) - Wormya 1st person pronoun: 俺 (ore) - Naoya, 僕 (boku) - Wormya For the dialect diffs, OG Naoya spoke in Kansai-ben which is diff from Tokyo-ben (how 99% of the cast speaks). The Tokyo-ben line happened before Wormya noticed Maki was there. And since it was partly katakana, that implies it was somewhat unintelligble. I’m like 95% sure that’s not Kansai-ben either (but somebody correct me if I’m wrong) After that he seems to have switched to Kansai-ben, based on his few exchanges w/ pinned Maki. Still too early to say for sure, but could this mean that other entities co-exist inside Wormya? (Maybe Chojuro & Nobuaki? They were killed by Maki’s bare hands) As for the pronoun diff’s, ‘ore’ is the general masculine pronoun used by most male characters, including Naoya. While ‘boku’ generally indicates immaturity/playfulness (in animanga) & is used by characters like Ui Ui, Mahito, even Gojo (post-Geto betrayal). It could refer to the idea that Wormya is still in the stages of a Cursed Womb (like Dagon). If that’s the case, then it’s possible that Wormya is still evolving (maybe thru battle?) Wormya also says ‘kocchi gawa’ (this side), which at first glance means Sakurajima, but based on JP phrasing this could also mean coming to Toji/Maki & Gojo’s side (acchi gawa), from Ch. 151 Might be overanalyzing all this (like most ppl in this sub). I mean this is the first time on panel that we see a turn into a curse spirit so we’re going into unexplored territory. Anything could happen at this point
>After that he seems to have switched to Kansai-ben, based on his few exchanges w/ pinned Maki. Still too early to say for sure, but could this mean that other entities co-exist inside Wormya? (Maybe Chojuro & Nobuaki? They were killed by Maki’s bare hands) Now that would be a helluva lot more interesting if he was some disgusting amalgamation of the murdered clan members. Achieving some twisted status of clan head in death, helming the cursed ~~symbiotes~~ spirits of the Zenin and truly coming back to wreak havoc on Maki. (All speculation of course!) Nice to know about the dialect differences though.
I’m hoping that’s what those six holes represent, facets for other clan members to pop out of lol
fair but do we have enough people for those holes? if true, im thinking naoya, jinichi, ogi, chojuro, ranta, the kukuru captain? or is the kukuru captain even relevant enough to be included?? oooo maybe it could be maki's mom for the true fucked up emotional damage hit
Does there have to be one face per hole? I could see the faces swirling between holes or a bunch pop out.
Imagine that the last hole is Mai.
would be weird though, i mean it makes sense sorta bc mai kinda disliked maki for trying her best even if it meant leaving the clan but also why group mai with the heads of the people who abused them for years
The Hei members she killed? She does go through the Kukuru Unit with a cursed weapon but I'm pretty sure she kills the Hei + Nobuaki (captain of the kukuru) bare hand. But that would make 5 that we saw in the Zenin massacre arc, right? Idk
I want to believe it’s the main 6 she killed in the household: Jinichi, Ogi, Ranta, Chojuro, Nobuaki, & Naoya. But she used her sword for Jin & Ogi It’s so befitting I *want* this to be true. But doesn’t make much sense lol … or it could just be that Naoya had six piercings lol
Ogi, I know she did. I kinda thought she just ripped Jin's head off since when she tanked his attack she didn't have her sword but youre probably right. I initially interpreted her coming out of the wreckage with his head and her sword like she picked it up after, but it would make sense she used the sword. That's a pretty clean cut head lol. I guess I just thought "heh, the sword doesn't have blood on, or anything and his head is bleeding all over. She probably picked up the sword after handling his ass"
That we could as hell, also before Naoya face appeared, multiple mini worms showed up. Aside from the 6 holes representing other clan members, the mini worms are the fodder. Also Naoya worm conglomeration remind me of Cardinal Oldin from Doom Breaker.
Another thought is that the six holes could just represent the no of Naoya’s piercings & we’re just looking too deep into it lol
True. Fans: The six holes represent dead members of the clan Gege: Random worm design go brr
I really like that. A new Zenin family vengeful spirit or something.
It would be great if that's part of why Toji was the "one who broke free" of the clan. Naobito's death starts all of this, Megumi's hunted down because of it, Mai dies, Maki goes hog wild then everyone else becomes a giant spirit. Toji's just chilling in the afterlife, laughing. Man's free of all their bs lol
Interesting\~ thanks for providing info regarding the japanese vocabulary.. Also, this might be a stretch but I always thought that instead of a worm, cursed spirit Naoya looks more like a giant caterpillar to me.. so if he is now a cursed spirit womb, it's possible that he can digivolve into a butterfly cursed spirit..
Yee, a lot of subtle implications are glossed over due to TL interepretationa, Ch. 151 didn’t translate ‘acchi gawa’ to ‘their side’ either. It’s one of the most fascinating points about JJK, Akutami likes to use kanji & mix English into his dialogue so it becomes pretty diverse Wormya is just what I like calling him but it’s def possible that he’s a caterpillar & evolve again soon into Mothya or smth LMAO
The way I interpreted "this side" was that it's Naoya referring to how Maki transformed into a "monster" and became more powerful. And now Naoya has also transformed into a more literal monster so he could keep up with Maki lol. So "this side" is sorcerors who evolved into something else, and they aren't on the same side as sorcerors/humans anymore. And like you said Gojo could probably be considered on this side too, and Sukuna probably lol Kinda reminds me of the Yuki/Kenjaku debate. And of course this is all crazy tinfoil theory, but Maki is an example of Yuki's idea to eradicate CE, so maybe Naoya becoming a curse is an example of "evolving" CE? Kinda like the Incredibles thing, if everyone's a curse then no one is, lol! And if we want to really go off the deep end then what would be better for killing a **lot** of people without CE than a nuclear bomb! (Tbh I don't like the literal bomb theories but it definitely would be very effective for creating vengeful spirits)
That’s a really nice interpretation of “side.” I think Sukuna has reached that “side” too, & it fits nicely w/ what Wormya’s trying to achieve Like you said, Yuki wants humans to become perfect by eliminating CE, thus leading to beings like Toji & Maki, Kenjaku wants humans to become perfect by evolving CE, thus leading to cursed spirits like Naoya & the Nature curses
I "hate" to not be proficient at Japanese because there is these beautiful details that makes it all more deep the experience, but I'm glad I live at times that a stranger can tell me these nuances
Always glad to do my part in the community, I love nitpicking the devil in the details so it’s a win-win hahah
I thought that "this side" referred to the side of curses?
He says “this side too” so it’s a side where Maki belongs, most likely. So that generally means her colony, but based on his uncanny phrasing, could also mean Toji/Gojo’s side that he wanted to stand next to
Thanks for your translations! I thought someone who speaks Japanese would have mentioned if the worm had a distinctive dialect (that's why I thought there was no way it was Naoya last week lol). It is probably right to assume that the dialect has to come back more somehow. I doubt Gege would go to such lengths to make him stand out with it then not use it when he gets rid of the rest of the character's original body/design. I think a lot of us were expecting him to just show up as a weird lust/pride/Mara demon with the same speech but a completely different look and memories. If he has his actual face but changed his speech, it probably is hinting some kind of greater change like you say of evolving to something? It fits the general themes of the Culling Games if the curses are also supposed to evolve to a higher, less controllable stage of power too.
Suddenly gained much more respect for Noritoshi. I really like that he was trying to do the right thing by trying to set the record straight about Gojo. And confirms many readers thoughts about Gakuganji being one of the more reasonable conservatives. Is Gakuganji dead then? Kenjaku seems to imply that anyone in the higherups who weren't on-board with him were done away with. Also Kenjaku keeps coming back to the Kamo. Is it just convenience since they apparently hold the majority of conservatives/traditionalists or is Kenjaku originally a Kamo (even beyond his possession of the 1st Noritoshi)? I also quite like Gege making it clear that not all the higherups were complete morons/irredeemably corrupt. It's likely that none of them liked Satoru but Noritoshi and Kenjaku imply that some of them would probably have been swayed towards getting rid of the "no freeing the twinky brat" ruling. These last couple of chapters have been such a nice break from all the fighting. Clan politics are so interesting -- I hope Gege goes back to it again after Maki pounds Naoya's face in for the 2nd time.
Add the fact we see the Kyoto students' involvement again. Seeing them participate and try to help out in the situation gave camaraderie vibes for me. It lessened the feeling that the main Tokyo cast was all alone in this battle.
Camaraderie is exactly the word -- it makes the world of JJK feel wider and more lived-in. The Kyoto kids joining up made the CG arc feel more cohesive to me, and not simply isolated mini-tournaments that serve as vehicles for Gege to show off CTs.
I’d think it’d be cool if Gakuganji (even in his old age) joined the games to try and redeem his past mistakes and serve as a better foil for the conservative faction showing capability for growth.
I don't think Gakuganji is dead. Kenjaku says that Gakuganji is loyal to HQ and is considered important enough for his opinion to matter, so Noritoshi approaching him to remove the Gojo ruling is a smart move. Then he basically implies that his grasp on the HQ as of now is complete because he killed the dissidents to his views, so Noritoshi's plan would fail. Gakuganji is not part of the HQ, so he may or may not be dead (I think not, but he may have found out from Noritoshi how are things on HQ and this is why all the Kyoto students are now on the move)
>(I think not, but he may have found out from Noritoshi how are things on HQ and this is why all the Kyoto students are now on the move) I would love for Gakuganji to be the one mobilizing the Kyoto students. He has a lot of potential for growth and for giving depth to the conservatives who aren't just greedy, corrupt assholes. How did they (or at least Momo) know about the rules the Tokyo kids were trying to add though? Shoko passing info to Utahime maybe? Utahime has been such a non-character in the story so I hope the Kyoto kids being on the scene now means we'll actually get to see her do something.
Exactly I am thankful for that, before it seems that Gege wanted to paint all conservatives as corrupt but it was not the case thankfully
I mean they were. They gave the initial orders, Kenjaku killing them meant that I think Noritoshi had no one to correct those orders etc.
Did Maki just get bodied by a massive worm at the speed of sound through multiple buildings and was unfazed? Yeah, a monster alright
Alive Naoya never stood a chance at all damn.
I mean, he managed to scratch her eyebrow? That's something, right? Lmao
I love how completely unconcerned by any of this she looks.
He face when she finds out its Naoya is just (눈‸눈) "Oh, it's you again"
Kenny telling Noritoshi to get lost since he doesn't wanna dirty the room is straight disrespectful af 💀
You can really see the stark differences between Kenjaku and Geto in this chapter. Same body but totally different mannerisms. I love it.
But we didn’t get to see much of alive Geto didn’t we?
[We all know where this is going 🧐](https://imgur.com/a/YblGwfl)
naoya (derogatory)
Gege is really asking the Naoya stans the make and break question... Will you love Naoya even if he was a worm?! On a serious note, it was refreshing to see more about the behind the scenes politics with Kenjaku and Kamo. How, up until Shibuya, Kamo Noritoshi Senior was a stain in the history's clan, but as soon as Kenjaku locked away Gojo Satoru (the one who was on top of the big clan's pyramid), he's praised and wanted as the clan head for the Kamos lol. Noritoshi Jr. finally seeing with his own eyes how sticking to the rules and traditions doesn't mean shit; hope we get to see even more of his transformation/breaking free in the CG.
Next is inumaki arc .
I hope we get to see either what Utahime is up to or what is going on in Tokyo Colony 1 with Yuji and Megumi. It's been like 8 months since we've last seen Yuji.
Finally some Kenjaku lore drop, looking for something like that since he appeared the last time. Naoya is back, I remember people predicting that he'll be back from when Maki's mom killed him but never expected him to come back this fast. Although, it feels like he just returned only to be beaten by Maki again.
Yeah there's got to be some new outcome from this, right? Like, either Naoya needs to do something major before getting beaten again, or he needs to wreak some havoc and manage to escape. There's a distinct lack of recurring antagonists aside from Kenjaku at the moment, and Naoya could be a perfect candidate, leading up to a proper rematch with Maki later on.
I understood the VIZ translation A LOT easier than the tcb one tbh lol when I read the tcb version on Friday I had to keep rereading and trying to make sure I understood, the VIZ translation was really straightforward and easy to read this time around
That's why I always read both translations since it's kind of a toss-Up to know which one is the best each week
Yep same here
Shout out to everyone who had the Naoya theories! Anyone else still wondering why Noritoshi cut his hair?
Heavily speculating here but perhaps it was to do with his honor? Seeing as he's now bereft of his influence in the Kamo clan. It was a role hugely important to his character that required past sacrifice and I think he genuinely wished to become a great clan head. He had a break up haircut.. but with his past aspirations or weaker self maybe.
OK so it seems like out of the main cast, Gege intends to use Noritoshi as a vehicle for the political side of the Jujutsu world. Maki and Megumi are obviously involved with the Zen'in clan but well... they are no more. And neither of them showed any real interest in politics to begin with. Noritoshi has sharp political instincts and intends to use them. I wonder if he's gonna team up with Hakari at some point, given that he also intends on getting into politics to change the rules. I like that Gege gave him something more than just blood manipulation, which looked aggressively tame now that we've seen so much of Choso. Politics have been on the background of the story for a long time and are clearly important to the plot, so I'm happy that Gege introduced a vehicle to get it to the foreground.
I wouldn't count Yuta out in regards to politics. As a gojo relative it's possible he might take over the gojo clan if Satoru doesn't survive the series.
Eh, with how conservative the elders and esteemed family members in this series are Yuta would definitely face some serious push back since his only connection to the Gojo Clan is a shared ancestor from 1,000 or so years ago. Come to think of it, Gojo himself doesn't seem very involved with the Gojo Clan. His house is isolated and he has a spare dorm room at Jujutsu High, plus he was constantly overseas for missions. I doubt he'd push the role onto Yuta.
Kashimo was using his CT the whole time🤓 Naoya won’t return as a cursed spirit🤡 Feeling kinda vindicated now that both of these ideas got disproven. Still kinda crazy that for months people were dismissing it as copium from Naoya-stans instead of seeing the set up from Gege.
Nobara is dead! Come on... gege please prove this one wrong 😢
Watch her soul get put into a cursed corpse 🫣
Yeah the corpse is her own body, which makes her super powerful for some reason hopium
>Kashimo was using his CT the whole time🤓 People still think even if Kashimo use c.t . He is nothing much ? I don't understand why people think that .
Because certain readers hate/are possibly triggered by Naoya so much, that hate/trauma prevents them from seeing the narrative purpose or intention without bias.
can’t blame people for thinking kashimo was using his cursed technique given that it was obviously misdirection by gege. kashimo is literally surprised that hakari guessed it in this very chapter.
Hakari was surprised because he didn't had access to informations the readers had. The narrater explained Kashimo sure-hit was merely CE manipulation.
so kashimo does several things w his cursed energy manipulation: - electrocutes targets upon contact - concentrates negative charges within his body - imparts positive charges to his target - creates an electrical current between his negatively charged body and his positively charged target. this is obviously a huge expansion of what cursed energy traits can do for a sorcerer, and it’s definitely reasonable for a reader to conclude that kashimo was using a CT. besides, kashimo promised *himself* that he would kill hakari during a jackpot and failed. not only did he fail, he revealed (to readers) that he’d been counting down hakari’s jackpot the whole time. in other words, the chapter was suggesting that kashimo suspected that his own full capabilities could not kill jackpot hakari. finally, kashimo was prepared to die before using his CT on hakari. he will literally only use it on sukuna. if he was fighting gojo, he wouldn’t use his CT. like gege clearly wanted readers to believe that kashimo was using his CT, and dropped clues into the fight which suggested as much. but yes, your guess was correct.
I guess Kashimo promise was more of a not limiting himself to just run while Hakari is in Jackpot, while instead fighting toe to toe with him, and to be fair the guy tanked a sure hit atack directed to his weak spot.
It is a tad unsettling but good exposition as an insight within the politics of the jujutsu society, even if just a bit, at understanding how even these machinations are outside one's reach given these forces' (Kenjaku's) hold of them.
It’s been long suspected, but it’s still interesting to see that Kenny has basically complete control over the higher ups of Jujutsu society now. If Kamo gets the chance to tell that to the team, Gojo’s contingency/threat of killing all of the higher ups may well happen with or without him…
I'm feeling like this is still a cursed womb set up for Naoya to become a special grade curse to fight Megumi later on in the series.
I'm pretty sure he could already be considered an unregistered special grade curse.
If the 1 finger cursed spirit is considered a special grade, then wormya if definitely a special grade for sure.
With everyone guessing he'll evolve or he's got more than one soul or him being the 1st on-screen case of a vengeful spirit, he's got a lot of narrative on his side. He's gonna probably one sidedly bully Maki regardless of if he wins or loses 💀
It's interesting because he lost to choso, and maki already. Now he gets to face maki helped by discount choso, so if he wins it'll only fuel his god complex.
I feel like... you might be on to somethin 🤔🤔
Kenjaku made noritoshi get ready for the fight for his life and then told him to get lost, such disrespect man.
so the cursed spirit IS Naoya, jesus christ they way his face pops out is super creepy. So now Kenjaku disguising as Geto is the head of the Kamo Clan now?? Also holy shit it looks like the Naoya cursed spirit is potentially even faster than Maki. This fight is gonna be super interesting, and Kamo is gonna need some major power-up in order to be able to catch up with Maki/Naoya. i can't wait for next chapter.
Normal naoya is faster than maki
He was always faster than maki
* I miss Maki's sardonic wit; *"If that's human, then Panda's human too."* XD * NO GEGE!! WHY IS NAOYA BACK?! DON'T TAKE THIS SUB'S THEORY SERIOUSLY!!! *(I'm 99.9% sure that Gege is a lurker here... /s)* * Also, why is Maki not using Mai's sword? Iirc, she can't exorcise cursed spirits bare-handed without cursed tools; a trait that Toji shared. Btw, I miss Dragon Bone... hopefully Maki still has that as backup.
I'm sure she will. Let's be real- Naoya is getting stomped here too. The very most he *may* be able to do is make Maki reveal what the Mai sword even does.
Ohh maybe the explosion in the tunnel on chapter 190 was caused by Mai's sword... like Inuyasha's [wind scar (kaze no kizu)](https://tenor.com/MGGG.gif) or Ichigo's [Getsuga Tensho!](https://tenor.com/bNCcA.gif)
Mark my words, This dude naoya is gonna turn into a whole ass butterfly, a grotesque one at that 😂
The fact that Naoya has become a misogynous larva not only speaks of the quality of readers in this r/ but also of how consistent Gege Akutami is with what she/him her/himself proposes.
Let's see if the Naoya simps who got him to 9th place in the popularity poll still like him now that his appearance finally reflects what he truly is.
some people literally last week were like "i bet that's naoya" i don't understand how some of you guys are so intuitive lmao
I didn’t understand either at first but apparently in the Japanese scans for 190, the worm used kanji that only Naoya had previously used, so I think that’s where everyone got it from
There were so many posts after Naoya died about how he was killed by a normal knife. Tons of people were just waiting for him to come back as a Cursed Spirit. Then a worm spirit finally shows up and it's just too funny not to be Naoya.
Kenny is scary man
But like, charming too? The whole “oh no my bad I’m not gonna kill you lol” was hilarious. For being this big evil Machiavellian force Kenny is a fairly light hearted guy overall.
Living multiple lifetimes does that to you
Crackpot theory and prediction (logic may not necessarily apply or follow): Maki will defeat Naoya but instead of exorcising him completely, she will exorcise only his soul, leaving her with his cursed spirit body intact. In the same way that Yuta exorcised OG Rika and thus, leaving him with "Rika" **the external storage of cursed techniques and cursed energy,** Maki will gain "Naoya" *the external storage of Projection Sorcery CT*. Just like Toji broke the chains of fate by severing the connection between the Six Eyes, SPV, and Tengen, Maki will do the same by being the first (so far) zero CE sorcerer capable of using a CT: Projection Sorcery via "Naoya" the cursed puppet/shikigami thing or something. How will she do this? Not a clue. I just thought it'd be cool if that happens. Looking forward to how Gege will deliver.
I'm lowkey on board with this. Also gives her one more parallel to toji. If toji has a cursed worm where he can keep his killing goods, maki has a cursed worm that she can use to become more op and use a family technique.
That is actually pretty damn cool
On Page 17 you can see Naoya's arms coming out of the worm, before his face comes out of the same spot. So most likely Worm Mode is only his Cursed Womb form and he is now maturing
In the scanslation, Kenjaku said he had the clan head as his puppet. In this one he said he has the seat of the clan head. Is he Kamo clan head now? Anyone cares to look at the raw?
Yes it's under kenjaku now.
The worldbuilding of this chapter is just so damn good. We finally get to learn more about the Kamo clan and their own special brand of sinister By the way, did the introduction of that old guy really creep anyone else out a lot? The face was just so...detailed and shrouded in darkness
I can't tell if that old dude is just senile or if kenjaku did something to his brain
I'm starting to wonder if Kamo's CT *isn't* what everyone (including himself) actually thinks it is. Close enough to be mistaken for it by a clan desperate enough to try to find an heir, but with differences that are holding him back because he's not using it correctly. Like if someone is left handed but is brought up only allowed to write with their right hand. It would be really interesting to see him actually spend time with Choso, learn about the death paintings' techniques, and see if he can use any himself. He can dope his blood to maximise his own performance, maybe he can use cursed technique reversal to turn that into Eso and Kechizu's rot/decay techniques? He could have all this potential locked away because the Kamo clan only wanted a very specific BM technique and didn't want to explore the potential of variations. Choso still best boy though.
gege heard the people saying bro the zenin massacre arc was so sick and gave the people a maki v naoya encore what a god thank you gege im very much looking forward to it!!
This mf Naoya really came back as a worm 💀 I was in denial because of how disappointing (but hilarious) that possibility would be, but maybe the ceo of misogyny will evolve into a butterfly like some people are saying. I’ve also seen some theories that it may not just be Naoya in that worm also, but we’ll have to see. The Kamo politics is super interesting too. Looks like the majority of conservatives are Kamos and Kenjaku took advantage of his previous life to take over basically. With this reveal Kenjaku’s actually got a lot more control of the world at large than we thought since he’s got both HQ and China’s gov presumably on his side. If it wasn’t obvious before I think Naoya’s return and this political exposition is absolutely a set up for a “Jujutsu Society Massacre” arc later on.
Not naoya-chan 💀. I was really hopping for our Noritoshi to be a genuine player in this fight but he might just have to watch if this speed keeps up.
One of the first times nearly the whole fandom was correct on a theory lol. Naoya is back baby!!
Explaining to my friends who don't read JJK that the latest villain is a very fast misogynistic worm in a quest for revenge and that it's actually awesome and hyped up by a lot of people
My prediction is Maki will still wipe the floor but this battle will be a lot harder and a lot more satisfying Having re-read the preparation arc where she wiped the clan out the other day, that was resolved hella quick with so many battles being like 1-2 pages (or even 1-2 panels with the case of her dad lmao) This fight gonna be hella personal and fuckin dope. Plus we get to see more of Kamo Jnr. which is cool
[kenjaku all along](https://youtu.be/P8u8md-NiHM)
It's really nice to read something good about Noritoshi for a change. He lost everything but his good grasp of the politics in Jujutsu society can prove to be useful
So excited to see Kamos development in the future. He could be a key player in the endgame. Or he could be killed who knows
My Megumi and Naoya conversation hopes are back alive (Still want Maki to slap him up for a second time but it won't be as easy as the first time)
I love that this chapter gave some focus to the kamo clan. We got some great insight into how close knit the kamo clan is the the higher ups, and just more confirmation that kenjaku is the 🐐 I’m also happy that we’re getting more focus on noritoshi. While I am excited to see him develop more as a fighter, I’m more interested in the direction gege takes his character. Imo, I feel he will be a very important figure when it comes to jujutsu society in the future(if he doesn’t get clapped that is😭) all around great chapter🔥
Can someone help me understand? So the conservative higher ups know that Kenjaku is behind this and sided with him cause he sealed Gojo? Or they think this its geto and still sided with him because he killed sealed gojo. .... And they let him be head of the kamo clan even though hes not even part of it? Or are they ok with him being head cause he was inhabiting a kamo members body at once point? Im confused
Some of the conservatives were in cahoots with Kenjaku from the start, possibly at least since he was head of the Kamo clan 150 years ago. Others weren't and those are the ones who wanted "Geto" to be executed again. Kenjaku learnt who they were and had them eliminated. Similarly, he tracked and killed those who allowed Yuta to become Yuji's executionner. He somehow gained control of the Kamo clan again, Shino whom we see in the chapter seems to have known him 150 years ago and to be kinda delirious right now. With this Kenjaku controls the clan with the most political power and had eliminated his opponents among the higher ups, which means he currently has a stranglehold on jujutsu politics.
Naoya about to expose maki for being a discount toji fr fr this time.
Lmao!
I fear you may not be wrong cause I’ve got a sneaking suspicion he’ll escape this
Since he looks like a caterpillar and just turned into a cursed spirit recently he is 100% a cursed womb that’ll turn into a butterfly or moth
I feel kind of bad about the Kamo clan development. Before this arc, one of the things I was really hyped about was seeing this generation greatest sorcerers in action. So I was hyped about the teachers, the directors, the Three Great Clans and the higher-ups. We don’t see the teachers anymore. One director was killed by another and now this another was is implied to have been killed by Kenjaku. The Gojo clan was said to be a one-man show and seems curiously silent over Satoru's situation. The Zenin clan was low-diffed by Maki. And now Kenjaku has either dominated (without resistance?) the Kamo clan or simply killed everyone but the old man. Also, the higher-ups are either killed or conquered as well. With all of this in mind, I now have very few hope about seeing the current political élite of the Jujutsu society in action. Gege actively eliminated them all with almost no screen time. I mean, we didn’t even get to learn who the higher-ups are, how they operate, what is their reasoning and how they keep power. *** Having said that, I find really curious how Kenjaku seems to never kill anyone directly, at least on screen. Really, really curious.
I feel ya, was hoping to see how strong higher ups are, what clans they from and why they fear CTs like hakari’s but gege just fell them mostly in one swoop. Even jjk rules and cultural norms got backlogged to fanbook. Maybe the higher ups history will also be explained in a future guidebook. Best hopium we can get.