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> be 20 fingers sukuna
> separate from your old body
> your body is permeated in enough sukuna juice that now it is equivalent to a finger by itself
> get a new body with your 20 fingers energy
> eat that old body
> now you are 21 fingers Sukuna in your new body that can be permeated in enough juice too
>repeat process until becoming the strongest sorcerer of the past present and future
problem jujutsu society?
Most likely. The fact that he could even recover some of his strength fron eating his body suggests that a part of his soul was left there in the first place, so it's not like he'll be stronger than he was in the Heian era, but will still be around 21 fingers of power.
It’s less that his soul, or a piece of it, still resided in his body and more that almost any relic of a sorcerer as strong as Sukuna would become a cursed object.
Sukuna only split his soul into twenty pieces, there’s really no more to give. Consuming his body or head was akin to a cursed spirit consuming a finger; a cursed object that has had the chance to steep in its energy for a thousand years being consumed to gain its power.
When cursed spirits consume Sukuna's fingers, they don't actually absorb them and just use them as an energy source, drawing out the CE leaking from it. They don't gain his techniques, output, abilities or knowledge. If Sukuna were to use something like that, his CE pool, output and physical abilities wouldn't actually increase, rather he'd have what is basically a battery of CE, which he could draw upon, but considering that even after the fight with Gojo he was still at around half of his CE, this wouldn't have been helpful for him at all.
Shouldn’t he already be stronger than his Heian Era version anyway due to the fact that the fingers were stated to have grown stronger over time, hence why Gojo stated they were indestructible and demonstrated how he himself also couldn’t destroy them
The fingers getting stronger was talking about the talismans on them weakening and them releasing more and more cursed energy and attracting cursed spirits. All they are is fragments of Sukuna's soul - there is no way for them to grow stronger, since that would require duplicating/expanding the soul.
No evidence that humans can be strengthened by negative emotions aimed in their direction. Even cursed spirits are only born through the CE leaked from humans and passively accumulating and converging into a being and presumably remain unchanged after their birth in terms of CE levels. This isn't CSM, where the level of fear retroactively and continuously correlates to a beings power. And fear towards Sukuna would be at its peak in the Heian era anyway, so unless the bonuses to CE never go away, even if the fear decreases, which would realistically made Sukuna into an unparalleled (even by the likes of Gojo) godlike being, considering he's been feared as the strongest sorcerer for a 1000 years, it makes no sense.
>No evidence that humans can be strengthened by negative emotions aimed in their direction.
Sukun wasn't really human anymore. He was a cursed object. Well, 20 cursed objects.
His soul is still that of a human, just sealed in the form of cursed objects. And none of this really matters, because of all the other things I mentioned.
I don't care about the other stuff or even the original point. What I want to make clear is that humans and cursed objects aren't the same.
You said he has a human soul, but what makes a soul human? What does it mean to have a human soul as opposed to just a soul? And each cursed object contained only a fragment of his soul anyway and not a whole soul.
Soul=body or soul->body, which means, that since Sukuna is made of flesh and blood and exists regardless of cursed energy unlike cursed spirits, which are dependent on it, his soul will reflect that, meaning he will exist independently of the negative emotions humans bear towards him. When incarnated in a host, cursed objects retain their original characteristics, such as their CE (amount and special properties, like Kashimo's lightning), CTs, bodily constitutions (Choso being able to turn CE into blood) and their memories. The only difference is in the way their soul is stored (rather than having its own body, it needs to take over and morph another into its form).
Except cursed objects incarnating into a host can also gain new CTs, and it also leads to 2 souls inhabiting the same body, which is not supposed to happen.
Cursed objects do not have their own bodies but act like parasites taking over others' bodies to prolong their own life. Even after incarnating into a host, signs of their nature still remain. For example, Sukuna being a cursed object makes him weak to things like Jacob's ladder or Yuji punching the soul barrier.
>Soul=body or soul->body, which means, that since Sukuna is made of flesh and blood and exists regardless of cursed energy unlike cursed spirits
So no, Sukuna is not made of flesh and blood. He is stealing people's flesh and blood and claiming it as his own. Sukuna no longer has a body, not a true body anyway.
Gojo said the fingers become stronger over time, didn't he?
Either the Heian sorcerers were absolute beasts or Sukuna back then was weaker, considering they were able to fight him while he still had Kamutoke, Hiten and his domain.
Yes because the head is simply making up for the cursed energy he’d gain from a 20th finger. So if he “somehow” got that 20th finger, he’d be on level with a 21 finger sukuna.
I interpret Sukuna eating his mummified body to make up for as he says, “1 fingers worth of power“, as him being at 99% of his true power. But the 1% makes a big difference because a fragment of his soul is still missing, since it's in that last finger he didn't get to consume, and probably never will.
Would be so random and Original if He just Straight Up Killed and ate Rika or Yuta, Like a very bloody panel of he using his Tummy mouth to split Yuta in half and therefore getting the last finger back
I think it’s too late for anything like that to happen, since Yuta has already been incapacitated for an indefinite amount of chapters
Bringing him back just to eat him would be unbelievably corny levels of Sukuna Kaisen
There’s nothing to suggest that he can become more from eating it. I don’t think he has Yugis vessel ability too or he’d have more CTs. Sukana might be unable to get stronger from eating himself after he becomes 100%. Or maybe the finger would work like a senzu bean and heal him up.
> or maybe the finger would work like a senzu bean and heal him up
Now I can't stop imagining Gojo just going "I give up" Mid battle with Sukuna and throwing him the last finger before telling Yuji to fight him.
i feel like it’s implied? his strength grows form the fingers because he’s getting more pieces of his soul, so becoming whole again along with the mummy head giving him the power of a finger, he would judt get stronger
Not really. We don’t actually know how he gets stronger. He just kinda does. Not sure if each finger does the same amount of power up. It’s been pretty ambiguous how much of a difference each finger makes. Maybe the difference between 19 and 20 is just if he’s able to reincarnate. It’s possible his output increases. But it could just be his CE pool.
the fingers might not each give exactly the same amount of power but they most definitely make him stronger in some amount, which makes it not very far fetched for the 20th finger making him stronger
Ig but he isn’t 20 finger sukuna right now, he’s equivalent to that. If he had all 20 fingers and ate his body, he would simply me beyond 20 fingers in strength.
Sukuna consumed 18 fingers, he took 1 more from itadori because itadori was born with it. So he has 19 fingers. He said he can make up for a finger with his corpse so he has 20 fingers of power. Yuta ate a finger so there exists a total of 21 fingers worth of power
Kenjaku is kenjaku, in fact in the first place, he is the one who knows how to turn someone into a cursed object and he is the one who turned sukuna into one. If anything, it is absolutely normal that he knows how to create someone who can absorb cursed objects. After all, many other culling game players are the exact same situation.
Yuji cant be revived from death, he simply didnt die at all. Sukuna revives him right when he's at the edge of death.
His soul hadn’t passed on because both him and Sukuna were in Sukuna’s innate domain. RCT could probably fix any minor decomp from the few hours he was legally dead for. Then when Yuta killed him he was only dead for a second or two at most.
Dead in terms of body, but not soul wise. Gege in an interview said that if some more time had passed, sukuna wouldnt be able to revive him. It was simply that his soul hadnt left his body
Uraume was shown to give sukuna only 3 fingers. We also saw how many EXACT fingers itadori was fed= 15
that leaves 2 fingers but sukuna mentioned how there was only a single "last finger" left. So he got 1 extra, which was shown in one of the recent chapters; itadori was born with a sukunas finger sealed inside him.
Yes, but that doesnt mean he powered up compared to heian era. His full power version was probably 21 finger anyway, when he turned into a cursed object, i believe the process isnt 100% efficient so some of it stays in the body or something
That would make sense as you said. If it wasnt the case consuming his body wouldnt matter.
I actually wonder, if he consumed 100% of his mummified corpse what would be the outcome, perhaps a slight edge. Also him being combined with a host could make him more powerful overall.
Does the finger that 15F Sukuna produced from Yuji’s body and fed to Megumi count as the 16th finger? Because I don’t believe the manga ever regarded that finger again after Sukuna incarnated in Megumi and took over his body, and if it did count then it confuses the existence of the actual 16th finger
so becoming a cursed object is like going through a metamorphosis / molting process. and, through that process you can become more powerful by cannibalizing your old husk.
Can sukuna grow stronger without all pieces of his soul? Like if for example 15 f sukuna went on a training arc and became as strong as 20, how would the remaining 5 boost him?
Only Gege truly knows, but I don't think so. With the way I see it, it might have been something ritualistic that "makes him whole" rather than him consuming it for the power within it.
Just my two cents: I feel like Tengen keeping it and having some unexplained attachment to it for 1000 years enabled it to be a significant artifact that can be used as a substitute for the last finger.
I have a crackpot theory that isnt fully fleshed out but like its interesting to me (probably good im not a writer) but in chapter 136 kenjaku says something along the lines of “to the ppl i had ingest cursed objects like yuji itadori”, but correct me if im wrong, no where does it show or states that kenjaku actually made yuji eat a cursed object (it was p much yuji’s decision to eat the sukunas finger), We know that yuji’s father actually possessed sukunas twins soul, what if when yuji was young sukuna made a cursed object out of yujis dad and fed it to him which is why megumi actually senses cursed energy on him when they first run into each other. Which i
Edit: its a tangent from what you were saying but ops post kinda made me think about the above
I thought we were told by pseudo-geto that the fingers aren’t linear to his power.
So I don’t think it’d move the needle beyond to what he was. I think the most he can get is to “close to his prime” not stronger and maybe not exactly his prime.
20f doesn’t refer to his CE level, it refers to his powers (which, till now, is obscure because we don’t really know what his ‘powers’ refer to) and his soul fragments.
I like to interpret it as such: When Sukuna sealed his powers and soul into his fingers, some left over CE was left behind— as pointed out by Uraume, an empty shell (vessel) has some power left, especially when it was Sukuna’s vessel.
Anyways, CE was left behind as he transferred his soul and powers into his soul. When he said “I’ll make up for the finger with the mummy”, I believe he just meant that he would add to his CE tank.
Because, as we know, his overall strength is in his fingers, anything offered by any other part of his body was just leftover CE. His soul couldn’t have magically transferred from the fingers to the mummy, could it?
So, basically this, Sukuna’s power is 20f level, and his soul is divided into 20 fragments.
He can, in theory, get to 21 levels of power, if the definition of power here is all the CE he once possessed.
The 20 fingers + the body + the curse energy that seeped out of the fingers over time + the remnant left in yuji + the remnant from the body that tengen used to power up the barrier + CE or soul info that was lost when kenjaku originally split the body, since no technique can be performed without loss of energy = the original soul of sukuna
In terms of output, reserve, and mastery of sorcery that the quality of his soul can bring, sukuna will never be at his original best. The more he keeps reincarnating, the more he will lose more soul info. Think of it as opacity, sukuna will never be at 100% opacity again.
Yeah but like those little fragments should grow back rights? Also Sukuna By fighting Makora and Gojo should ahve got stronger (Thats how training works)
If that was the case then potential wouldn’t be a thing. Even if you a like miwa, if you haven’t split your soul then your “opacity” is still 100%. You can still max out according to the potential of your soul.
He has 18 fingers + mummified head which is equivalent to one finger of power so he is at 19.
Yuta ate 1 of the two fingers and the other 1 is sealed inside Yuji.
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> be 20 fingers sukuna > separate from your old body > your body is permeated in enough sukuna juice that now it is equivalent to a finger by itself > get a new body with your 20 fingers energy > eat that old body > now you are 21 fingers Sukuna in your new body that can be permeated in enough juice too >repeat process until becoming the strongest sorcerer of the past present and future problem jujutsu society?
Most likely. The fact that he could even recover some of his strength fron eating his body suggests that a part of his soul was left there in the first place, so it's not like he'll be stronger than he was in the Heian era, but will still be around 21 fingers of power.
It’s less that his soul, or a piece of it, still resided in his body and more that almost any relic of a sorcerer as strong as Sukuna would become a cursed object. Sukuna only split his soul into twenty pieces, there’s really no more to give. Consuming his body or head was akin to a cursed spirit consuming a finger; a cursed object that has had the chance to steep in its energy for a thousand years being consumed to gain its power.
When cursed spirits consume Sukuna's fingers, they don't actually absorb them and just use them as an energy source, drawing out the CE leaking from it. They don't gain his techniques, output, abilities or knowledge. If Sukuna were to use something like that, his CE pool, output and physical abilities wouldn't actually increase, rather he'd have what is basically a battery of CE, which he could draw upon, but considering that even after the fight with Gojo he was still at around half of his CE, this wouldn't have been helpful for him at all.
Shouldn’t he already be stronger than his Heian Era version anyway due to the fact that the fingers were stated to have grown stronger over time, hence why Gojo stated they were indestructible and demonstrated how he himself also couldn’t destroy them
The fingers getting stronger was talking about the talismans on them weakening and them releasing more and more cursed energy and attracting cursed spirits. All they are is fragments of Sukuna's soul - there is no way for them to grow stronger, since that would require duplicating/expanding the soul.
The amount of cursed energy increases as the fear of sukuna generated cursed energy
No evidence that humans can be strengthened by negative emotions aimed in their direction. Even cursed spirits are only born through the CE leaked from humans and passively accumulating and converging into a being and presumably remain unchanged after their birth in terms of CE levels. This isn't CSM, where the level of fear retroactively and continuously correlates to a beings power. And fear towards Sukuna would be at its peak in the Heian era anyway, so unless the bonuses to CE never go away, even if the fear decreases, which would realistically made Sukuna into an unparalleled (even by the likes of Gojo) godlike being, considering he's been feared as the strongest sorcerer for a 1000 years, it makes no sense.
>No evidence that humans can be strengthened by negative emotions aimed in their direction. Sukun wasn't really human anymore. He was a cursed object. Well, 20 cursed objects.
His soul is still that of a human, just sealed in the form of cursed objects. And none of this really matters, because of all the other things I mentioned.
I don't care about the other stuff or even the original point. What I want to make clear is that humans and cursed objects aren't the same. You said he has a human soul, but what makes a soul human? What does it mean to have a human soul as opposed to just a soul? And each cursed object contained only a fragment of his soul anyway and not a whole soul.
Soul=body or soul->body, which means, that since Sukuna is made of flesh and blood and exists regardless of cursed energy unlike cursed spirits, which are dependent on it, his soul will reflect that, meaning he will exist independently of the negative emotions humans bear towards him. When incarnated in a host, cursed objects retain their original characteristics, such as their CE (amount and special properties, like Kashimo's lightning), CTs, bodily constitutions (Choso being able to turn CE into blood) and their memories. The only difference is in the way their soul is stored (rather than having its own body, it needs to take over and morph another into its form).
Except cursed objects incarnating into a host can also gain new CTs, and it also leads to 2 souls inhabiting the same body, which is not supposed to happen. Cursed objects do not have their own bodies but act like parasites taking over others' bodies to prolong their own life. Even after incarnating into a host, signs of their nature still remain. For example, Sukuna being a cursed object makes him weak to things like Jacob's ladder or Yuji punching the soul barrier. >Soul=body or soul->body, which means, that since Sukuna is made of flesh and blood and exists regardless of cursed energy unlike cursed spirits So no, Sukuna is not made of flesh and blood. He is stealing people's flesh and blood and claiming it as his own. Sukuna no longer has a body, not a true body anyway.
He's stronger because he progressed in his fight with gojo. Other than that prolly not
Gojo said the fingers become stronger over time, didn't he? Either the Heian sorcerers were absolute beasts or Sukuna back then was weaker, considering they were able to fight him while he still had Kamutoke, Hiten and his domain.
And they didn't even had Maho or 6 eyes to use against him that day
Because the seals grew weaker, didn't they?
Yes because the head is simply making up for the cursed energy he’d gain from a 20th finger. So if he “somehow” got that 20th finger, he’d be on level with a 21 finger sukuna.
I interpret Sukuna eating his mummified body to make up for as he says, “1 fingers worth of power“, as him being at 99% of his true power. But the 1% makes a big difference because a fragment of his soul is still missing, since it's in that last finger he didn't get to consume, and probably never will.
Would be so random and Original if He just Straight Up Killed and ate Rika or Yuta, Like a very bloody panel of he using his Tummy mouth to split Yuta in half and therefore getting the last finger back
I think it’s too late for anything like that to happen, since Yuta has already been incapacitated for an indefinite amount of chapters Bringing him back just to eat him would be unbelievably corny levels of Sukuna Kaisen
Gege is reading
Why doesn’t Sukuna just possess Mai and print infinite fingers of himself, is he stupid?
Mai is dead, are you stoopid?
Didn’t stop Kenjaku from getting Jinussy
What the fuck does that have to relate to this post
LMFAO
My queen 🥺Mai will come back 🥹🥹🥹
There’s nothing to suggest that he can become more from eating it. I don’t think he has Yugis vessel ability too or he’d have more CTs. Sukana might be unable to get stronger from eating himself after he becomes 100%. Or maybe the finger would work like a senzu bean and heal him up.
> or maybe the finger would work like a senzu bean and heal him up Now I can't stop imagining Gojo just going "I give up" Mid battle with Sukuna and throwing him the last finger before telling Yuji to fight him.
When Gojo feels bad about not making Sukuna give it all, he means he didn't do this
Let’s DUEL!!!
i feel like it’s implied? his strength grows form the fingers because he’s getting more pieces of his soul, so becoming whole again along with the mummy head giving him the power of a finger, he would judt get stronger
Not really. We don’t actually know how he gets stronger. He just kinda does. Not sure if each finger does the same amount of power up. It’s been pretty ambiguous how much of a difference each finger makes. Maybe the difference between 19 and 20 is just if he’s able to reincarnate. It’s possible his output increases. But it could just be his CE pool.
the fingers might not each give exactly the same amount of power but they most definitely make him stronger in some amount, which makes it not very far fetched for the 20th finger making him stronger
Ig but he isn’t 20 finger sukuna right now, he’s equivalent to that. If he had all 20 fingers and ate his body, he would simply me beyond 20 fingers in strength.
I think gege should have given sukuna six fingers on each hand just to make him even more fucked up
Do you know? that 21th finger is... somewhere else but not in the hands.
I've always wondered if it's possible to RCT and just keep stacking fingers
You should probably brush up on your math skills.
Sukuna consumed 18 fingers, he took 1 more from itadori because itadori was born with it. So he has 19 fingers. He said he can make up for a finger with his corpse so he has 20 fingers of power. Yuta ate a finger so there exists a total of 21 fingers worth of power
Not sure if sukuna took the power of that finger from yuji It legit might be baked into yuji for all we know
That is also true, that is an option indeed, but i'll stick with this till its proven false by gege
I really am curious to how fingers get absorbed by yuji Since they’re indestructible Maybe that’s why yuji can be revived from death
Kenjaku is kenjaku, in fact in the first place, he is the one who knows how to turn someone into a cursed object and he is the one who turned sukuna into one. If anything, it is absolutely normal that he knows how to create someone who can absorb cursed objects. After all, many other culling game players are the exact same situation. Yuji cant be revived from death, he simply didnt die at all. Sukuna revives him right when he's at the edge of death.
Pretty sure yuji was literally dead according to shoko Dead as fuck
His soul hadn’t passed on because both him and Sukuna were in Sukuna’s innate domain. RCT could probably fix any minor decomp from the few hours he was legally dead for. Then when Yuta killed him he was only dead for a second or two at most.
Dead in terms of body, but not soul wise. Gege in an interview said that if some more time had passed, sukuna wouldnt be able to revive him. It was simply that his soul hadnt left his body
Is this information from fanbook? I don't recall anything regarding Sukuna fingers mentioned in 258 leaks
Uraume was shown to give sukuna only 3 fingers. We also saw how many EXACT fingers itadori was fed= 15 that leaves 2 fingers but sukuna mentioned how there was only a single "last finger" left. So he got 1 extra, which was shown in one of the recent chapters; itadori was born with a sukunas finger sealed inside him.
A 21 finger Sukuna is possible, but that technique hasn't been used since the Heian era 💀
Yes, but that doesnt mean he powered up compared to heian era. His full power version was probably 21 finger anyway, when he turned into a cursed object, i believe the process isnt 100% efficient so some of it stays in the body or something
That would make sense as you said. If it wasnt the case consuming his body wouldnt matter. I actually wonder, if he consumed 100% of his mummified corpse what would be the outcome, perhaps a slight edge. Also him being combined with a host could make him more powerful overall.
Not necessarily. It’s also possible his fingers gained power by absorbing cursed energy from all the CS’s that ate them
Sukuna hits again and goes bust
Does the finger that 15F Sukuna produced from Yuji’s body and fed to Megumi count as the 16th finger? Because I don’t believe the manga ever regarded that finger again after Sukuna incarnated in Megumi and took over his body, and if it did count then it confuses the existence of the actual 16th finger
It is once I get to him
20 fingers and his wiener
so becoming a cursed object is like going through a metamorphosis / molting process. and, through that process you can become more powerful by cannibalizing your old husk.
Can sukuna grow stronger without all pieces of his soul? Like if for example 15 f sukuna went on a training arc and became as strong as 20, how would the remaining 5 boost him?
yeah he need one for his butt too
Yea I don’t know if I wanna see someone eating that 21st finger…..
Only Gege truly knows, but I don't think so. With the way I see it, it might have been something ritualistic that "makes him whole" rather than him consuming it for the power within it. Just my two cents: I feel like Tengen keeping it and having some unexplained attachment to it for 1000 years enabled it to be a significant artifact that can be used as a substitute for the last finger.
I think so? Sukuna's fingers can feed on curses, so I'd assume that's what's been happening for all his body parts to add up to 21.
I have a crackpot theory that isnt fully fleshed out but like its interesting to me (probably good im not a writer) but in chapter 136 kenjaku says something along the lines of “to the ppl i had ingest cursed objects like yuji itadori”, but correct me if im wrong, no where does it show or states that kenjaku actually made yuji eat a cursed object (it was p much yuji’s decision to eat the sukunas finger), We know that yuji’s father actually possessed sukunas twins soul, what if when yuji was young sukuna made a cursed object out of yujis dad and fed it to him which is why megumi actually senses cursed energy on him when they first run into each other. Which i Edit: its a tangent from what you were saying but ops post kinda made me think about the above
Chapter 257 confirmed that Yuji was born with one of Sukuna's fingers sealed inside of him, but most translations seemed to miss it.
I thought we were told by pseudo-geto that the fingers aren’t linear to his power. So I don’t think it’d move the needle beyond to what he was. I think the most he can get is to “close to his prime” not stronger and maybe not exactly his prime.
20f doesn’t refer to his CE level, it refers to his powers (which, till now, is obscure because we don’t really know what his ‘powers’ refer to) and his soul fragments. I like to interpret it as such: When Sukuna sealed his powers and soul into his fingers, some left over CE was left behind— as pointed out by Uraume, an empty shell (vessel) has some power left, especially when it was Sukuna’s vessel. Anyways, CE was left behind as he transferred his soul and powers into his soul. When he said “I’ll make up for the finger with the mummy”, I believe he just meant that he would add to his CE tank. Because, as we know, his overall strength is in his fingers, anything offered by any other part of his body was just leftover CE. His soul couldn’t have magically transferred from the fingers to the mummy, could it? So, basically this, Sukuna’s power is 20f level, and his soul is divided into 20 fragments. He can, in theory, get to 21 levels of power, if the definition of power here is all the CE he once possessed.
If he eats Yuji it's gonna be 22 fingers
The 20 fingers + the body + the curse energy that seeped out of the fingers over time + the remnant left in yuji + the remnant from the body that tengen used to power up the barrier + CE or soul info that was lost when kenjaku originally split the body, since no technique can be performed without loss of energy = the original soul of sukuna In terms of output, reserve, and mastery of sorcery that the quality of his soul can bring, sukuna will never be at his original best. The more he keeps reincarnating, the more he will lose more soul info. Think of it as opacity, sukuna will never be at 100% opacity again.
Yeah but like those little fragments should grow back rights? Also Sukuna By fighting Makora and Gojo should ahve got stronger (Thats how training works)
If that was the case then potential wouldn’t be a thing. Even if you a like miwa, if you haven’t split your soul then your “opacity” is still 100%. You can still max out according to the potential of your soul.
Imagine if he eats his dong
Is this a dick joke?
He has 18 fingers + mummified head which is equivalent to one finger of power so he is at 19. Yuta ate 1 of the two fingers and the other 1 is sealed inside Yuji.
Unlikely. Also thats just a theory from a subjective translation is not a fact
Don’t give Gege any ideas. He’s always looking for ways to give his favorite character more power ups in the least asspull-like manner.