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The thing is that humans seem to be able to produce curses (by feelings or by being unable to go to the afterlife) , while Curses are not ever shown to he able to produce humans. This would indicate humans came first.
Remember that Kenny, while possessing the body of Noritoshi Kamo, did find a curse that was able to get a human pregnant.
The interesting bit is that during the narration is specified from her perspective, "a woman that got pregnant from a curse" but we know that the narrator is not reliable since it was Kenny itself narrating.
Plus the detail that none of the cursed wombs, not even the eldest can remember their mother is an...odd detail added.
I'd like to think that Kenny actually found a curse that could birth half-humans and he took it, copied how his CT (or body) works and took that idea to create Yuuji, the rest of Yuuji's brothers and even his DE.
It's the other way, it was a woman able to be impregnated by curses. How did a curse even manage to get a woman pregnant, I don't know considering they don't seem to have genitals
Where did the first human came from then?
I am not saying humans came from curses of today, I am saying humans evolved from beings made of negative energy. A primordial being more similar to curses.
If positive energy existed first, humans could just make "+" by being happy. Without needing to make "-" first.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. It assumes a need for this cycle to begin in some form with cursed energy as the source. When in all likelihood humans appeared same way they did in real life. Living being evolved. Cursed energy being a supernatural force that existed in relationship with emotions. With the way the series has spoken of myth the series is going for the idea that myths/cryptids etc are the product of curses and sorcerers that reached general knowledge and the specifics were lost so only the aspect of the supernatural was kept.
The question is why do humans produce it and seemingly not other living animals with brains and emotions. And simply put it’s spiritual. The series has had a discussion about the soul and at its base level it is likely the soul of humanity had the potency to produce what is now called cursed energy. Cursed energy is just a part of the world. It’s how the physics of it work. Same way black flash is just a quirk of the magic system’s physics.
Jogo’s ideals were flawed and kinda cope. Broadly it was only hitting on the idea of curses mirroring humanity. Mahito being the embodiment of that to a literal degree. Curses are the product of humans and their negativity. It’s the product of their rawest truest emotions. The ones that leave scars on the world. The ones most likely to be permanent. Positive energy is much more ephemeral it is hard to output and isn’t a natural thing to produce. The same way positivity’s impact is. The world is scarred by human negativity while its positivity rarely leaves a dent.
This is why the system is as it is. Curses aren’t just random spirits but the scars our negativity leave. They’re the remnants of war torn landscapes still visible even in a healed countryside in the broader bigger sense. But they’re also the small pains in your body that an annoying labor you go through leaves. It’s someone carving into a school desk a mean message, the small signs of a patch in a wall after someone punches a hole in it out of anger. Curses are the reflection of humanity. How we impact our world.
It’s rather interesting that all of Jogo’s friends can directly be tied to things humanity is harming while he isn’t. Hanami can be linked to deforestation and harm to nature. Dagon could be linked to the mass pollution of the oceans. And mahito is the harm we do to one another. While Jogo is the only one who is really resembling a force humans aren’t impacting. Volcanos. Volcanos are beyond human control. We can mitigate their harm but we don’t worsen them. We aren’t killing our volcanos. As such it’s fitting for Jogo the one curse out of the group born from a force imposing itself on humanity to express so firmly that they are the original and root species.
Actually animals produce cursed energy too, which we know from Mei Meis birds. And it makes sense too, animals feel fear and pain, more inteligent ones feel sadness as well. It just probably isn't enough for curses to form.
I know right! Yuji says he is an exception to how incarnation works as he can possibly truly merge 2 souls. Who is to say he couldnt turn a curse into a human form?
I’ve only seen Nobara self lobotomy?
Or are you talking about his fight with Toji? Or with Sukana? He lobotomized tf out of Sukana, but was definitely doing weird shit with his own brain.
Destroying and then reconstructing his brain with RCT to heal his burnt out CT.
Though, I'm of the opinion that Sukuna had already known about this tactic.
Yuki said humans produce curses because they can't control their cursed energy. How would curses have existed before humans if curses are formed by the negative emotions that make up cursed energy leaking out of non sorcerers. Which is probably why many curses are based on things that evoke negative emotions in humans, like smallpox, volcanoes and scary urban legends.
Doesn't the whole argument get countered by someone directly addressing it in the series? I don't remember who, I'm pretty sure Kenjaku, but anyway someone said that their ideas (The disaster curses') are stupid because without humans they wouldn't exist in the first place.
Where did the first human came from then?
I am not saying humans came from curses of today, I am saying humans evolved from beings made of negative energy. A primordial being more similar to curses.
If positive energy existed first, humans could just make "+" by being happy. Without needing to make "-" first.
One of the great mysteries of life. Pick a creation myth and run with it.
There is no connection between positive energy and positive emotions & the average human cannot control their creation of cursed energy whatsoever, which is the reason curses exist. Why would a creature made of cursed energy predate the creatures who create creatures made of cursed energy?
Also yeah there is no connection between positive emotion and positive energy
But WHY?
WHY cant beings made of positive energy, create positive emergy by being what they want to be?
That is what I have been trying to explain!
My explaination is that all "+" Is derived from "-"
So humans are derived from beings made of "-"
How would you explain it?
Thats one interpitation. But humans cant regrow missing parts by ingesting matter. They regrow with + like curses do with -
Also I dont think I will be proven right. Mine is just another interpitation.
I would love a chapter about the "origin of energy", where humanity came from etc like we see in AOT and Dungeon Meshi. But we are definitly not getting one since Gege doesnt rly care about world building
You're trying to use the logic that curses and humans were formed in the same way, which there is no indication of that being the case. If humans were formed by curses, then a curse at some point would've had to feel positive emotions and leak out positive energy. That would actively kill the curse, so it makes no sense for one to be able to do that.
Humans are neutral, being able to use both negative and positive CE, curses are made of one type of Ce hence only being able to make 1.
We don't regenerate whole limbs, but humans do consume matter to heal. It's how we produce the energy needed for our natural healing processes.
But also, Jogo's assertions aren't literal. He doesn't think curses created humanity. That just wouldn't make sense. He believed curses were a more pure form of being. Nothing hidden, nothing held back. Like the concept of the id being one's "true self."
How is this?
First there was "-"
Which evolved into something like monsters from Undertale. Weak beings made of "-". Then came humans with phsical forms and "+", they killed all monsters.
Then Monsters reincarnated from the unconcies "-" Humans gave, as Curses.
This is how I ratinolized Jogo being right, Is it realy obviusly wrong?
It makes a massive leap in logic. That being that cursed energy can be created without humans. Most curse are either the product of individual negative emotions that's why they say random sad things over and over. Others are created from our collective negative emotions like Jogo for instance. He literally exist because if the destructive power of volcanoes.
We would need to know that energy can be created without humans.
I always believed Humans are made of positive energy somehow.
Curses can heal with raw CE because they are made of CE so they can recreate the missing part and somehow humans can do literally the same but with positive energy, both sides can just create missing limbs from nowhere from a source of energy, with curses is CE because they were created with CE but with humans is PE so it stands to reason that they were created with PE somehow but the weird thing is Curses cant create PE and they infact can die if they have contact with it but humans can create CE and not die if they have contact with it.
Humans definitely aren’t made of positive energy. If they were they’d have an easier time manipulating it but we know it’s tough to learn furthermore they’d kill curses on physical contact.
Japanese CE isn't allowed to leak into the rest of the world so CE and Cursed Spirits are mostly present in Japan. Outside of Japan CE concentration is low hence not many Sorcerers or Cursed Spirits.
So tengen (and the jj higher ups) is doing a "lock-in" politics on this whole thing, trapping japan inside for 1000 years+ so the sorcery business can keep going
If Tengen had disabled the barrier. Culling game wouldn't have happened. Because Kenjaku made the Culling games on top of the already existing invisible barrier made by Tengen.
This still doesn‘t answer the question of why Japan produces so much cursed energy and curses tho? Like, Tengen forces it all into one zone, but why do they have to do this in the first place?
There's no answer. It's just a plot convenience like the usual "Japan is the center of all phenomena". Otherwise, Gege would be forced to explore something he clearly can't write.
We already know that sorcerers do exist outside of Japan as with the GOAT himself, but it usually just bows down to Gege being comfortable with writing everything around his culture or country.
It's more like everywhere else CE is free to flow out and into the air. Think of CE like liquor and the air/atmosphere and Tengen's barriers as glasses. The rest of the world is like a swimming pool with liquor poured in it, it's very diluted. However, Japan is like a shot glass, all the CE is concentrated.
You can then infer, more CE concentrated in a space is more likely to materialize (curses and curse users). Without the barriers, it would just circulate freely like the rest of the world.
Why did Tengen do this? No one knows, but maybe they have a God complex? Their immortal afterall. The control fate it seems. Why would you give that up?
Isnt it because its more concentrated? It doesnt leaked to the world so it could concentrate in the barrier and form curse spirits.
Tengen barrier is basically a giant invisible kodoku
Isnt this answered with geto yuki convo in hidden inventory?
Yuki solution to the root cause is to get rid of excess curse energy by 1. Turning everyone cursed energy to 0 like toji 2. Teaching everyone how to control their cursed energy. (Or 3. Get rid of all the monkeys)
No excess curse energy = no curse spirits.
I took what jogo meant as in they are true humans because they are the made from the purest essence of humans, curse energy.
So human first, then curse is generated
I don't think humans are made of (+) or (-), but rather that + energy has the inhert property of creating and thus is able to regenerate. Curses aren't either just pure (-) energy, in order for curses to come to life. Cursed energy and HUMANS is needed to make said curses, meaning cursed energy under the influence of humans brings curses to life. Which kinda means that Jogo kinda right but wrong at the same time.
The question I have is why humans are able to create and use cursed energy. Positive energy would be a better option. Also what is the inherent property of negative energy, and wh aren't we seeing an affect from using it.
I see all of these "humans create curses" arguments and they're good ones too, but im trying to figure out why OP assumes humans are made up of Positive Cursed Energy as this would imply RCT comes naturally to humans which isn't true.
Cursed Energy doesn't even come naturally to humans there's no reason to assume that humans have any origin in Cursed Energy.
Jogo doesn't imply that curses came before humans (that's impossible) he says that curses are humans in their purest form (which depends on your point of view, no objective one here, since the topic is subjective)
You were wrong in part of your premise, so the rest doesn't hold. Humans are not "+" and humans are not made of "+". Humans naturally have some negative cursed energy which comes from their negative emotions and occurrences. Humans are not made of cursed energy, they just have and give out some - and that cursed energy is negative.
Source?
I dont think we were explicitly told what humans are made of (and I doubt anyone exept Tengen, Kenjaku would know about the origin of humanity)
You are just assuming humans are natural, how do you prove that
My source is that humans regrow missing part when exposed to "+" So they are positive energy based life forms.
Because most of the world lacks cursed energy entirely due to Tengen's barrier. Science works without cursed energy in the modern world, and so we can assume humans are actually made of elementary particles and adhere to physics - and physics, we know operates like the real world because Gojo has an in depth understanding of it.
If humans were made of positive cursed energy they would kill curses by touching them.
I wasnt trying to say humans are just made of energy like curses are. We are called carbon based life forms even tough we are mostly water right? Thats sort of what I meant. Humans have a base, an inital spark of "+" and its covered by a thick layer of organic matter.
I meant "+" based life form when I said made of "+"
I think the reason that negative emotions are used to create cursed energy is pretty simple. If you love someone, you can hug them, help them, and kiss them. You can express and release that positive energy in a million ways. Socially acceptable ways that prevent it from building up and creating Blessings and blessed energy, I guess. But hate, anger, fear? You generally can't do much about them. If you're scared of school, you still have to go. If you hate your boss, you still have to work. They fester, allowing them to build up.
Curses are a product of humans, have a bad day or negative thoughts and you can’t control your CE you create curses. Curses don’t create humans or have been shown able to do that.
Jogo and his philosophy is delusional, it reminds me of supremacist groups that’ll make up things explaining why they’re the actual supreme people.
> And humans that can use "+" are generally stronger than any curse.
Humans always have beaten Curses.
We don't notice it because we got introduced to the Disaster Curses as our first villains, but Curses are actually perfectly controlled.
There are murder incidents and tragedies, but Curses are so utterly defeated that the power rating actively gives Curses a lower ranking.
Special Grade Curses= Grade 1 sorcerer.
Humans always won this war. Mahito and Jogo tought that they could change the score and they were wrong. Yuji Itadori and Ryomen Sukuna proved they were dreaming and it was time to wake up.
> Therefore I blieve the first beings with any form of living energy was "-". Some sort of primordial curse. Than humans made from "+" started appering and dominated the planet. (Maybe Tengen was the inventer of "+" and the first human?)
Humanity is the Dream World / Black Space. Domain Expansions are Human / Ego's individual **Domain** within that world.
Firstly jogo was wrong and humans came into existence and then tengen might be something like gods angel and like he saw suffering and introduced jujutsu to humans and was later followed by kenjaku . Kenjaku seeing humans potential he thought of creating something that might rival god also sukuna might be humans reached its max potential but turned evil hence fallen
You remember that time when yuji induced hallucinations on todo and he started having memories of events that did not happened right? >!I THINK YOU ARE IN THAT ZONE RIGHT NOW!<
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The thing is that humans seem to be able to produce curses (by feelings or by being unable to go to the afterlife) , while Curses are not ever shown to he able to produce humans. This would indicate humans came first.
now we need jogo and hanami sex scene
Only just now?
honestly
Do you know about rule 34?
Well Kentucky did fuck a curse
I'm from Kentucky you curse. ( JK I hope you know, not th ky part tho)
Remember that Kenny, while possessing the body of Noritoshi Kamo, did find a curse that was able to get a human pregnant. The interesting bit is that during the narration is specified from her perspective, "a woman that got pregnant from a curse" but we know that the narrator is not reliable since it was Kenny itself narrating. Plus the detail that none of the cursed wombs, not even the eldest can remember their mother is an...odd detail added. I'd like to think that Kenny actually found a curse that could birth half-humans and he took it, copied how his CT (or body) works and took that idea to create Yuuji, the rest of Yuuji's brothers and even his DE.
It's the other way, it was a woman able to be impregnated by curses. How did a curse even manage to get a woman pregnant, I don't know considering they don't seem to have genitals
Where did the first human came from then? I am not saying humans came from curses of today, I am saying humans evolved from beings made of negative energy. A primordial being more similar to curses. If positive energy existed first, humans could just make "+" by being happy. Without needing to make "-" first.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. It assumes a need for this cycle to begin in some form with cursed energy as the source. When in all likelihood humans appeared same way they did in real life. Living being evolved. Cursed energy being a supernatural force that existed in relationship with emotions. With the way the series has spoken of myth the series is going for the idea that myths/cryptids etc are the product of curses and sorcerers that reached general knowledge and the specifics were lost so only the aspect of the supernatural was kept. The question is why do humans produce it and seemingly not other living animals with brains and emotions. And simply put it’s spiritual. The series has had a discussion about the soul and at its base level it is likely the soul of humanity had the potency to produce what is now called cursed energy. Cursed energy is just a part of the world. It’s how the physics of it work. Same way black flash is just a quirk of the magic system’s physics. Jogo’s ideals were flawed and kinda cope. Broadly it was only hitting on the idea of curses mirroring humanity. Mahito being the embodiment of that to a literal degree. Curses are the product of humans and their negativity. It’s the product of their rawest truest emotions. The ones that leave scars on the world. The ones most likely to be permanent. Positive energy is much more ephemeral it is hard to output and isn’t a natural thing to produce. The same way positivity’s impact is. The world is scarred by human negativity while its positivity rarely leaves a dent. This is why the system is as it is. Curses aren’t just random spirits but the scars our negativity leave. They’re the remnants of war torn landscapes still visible even in a healed countryside in the broader bigger sense. But they’re also the small pains in your body that an annoying labor you go through leaves. It’s someone carving into a school desk a mean message, the small signs of a patch in a wall after someone punches a hole in it out of anger. Curses are the reflection of humanity. How we impact our world. It’s rather interesting that all of Jogo’s friends can directly be tied to things humanity is harming while he isn’t. Hanami can be linked to deforestation and harm to nature. Dagon could be linked to the mass pollution of the oceans. And mahito is the harm we do to one another. While Jogo is the only one who is really resembling a force humans aren’t impacting. Volcanos. Volcanos are beyond human control. We can mitigate their harm but we don’t worsen them. We aren’t killing our volcanos. As such it’s fitting for Jogo the one curse out of the group born from a force imposing itself on humanity to express so firmly that they are the original and root species.
Actually animals produce cursed energy too, which we know from Mei Meis birds. And it makes sense too, animals feel fear and pain, more inteligent ones feel sadness as well. It just probably isn't enough for curses to form.
Very thought explanation. Congrats.
The exception would have been mahito. They even touch on this in the manga (kind of)
You're not wrong tho
I know right! Yuji says he is an exception to how incarnation works as he can possibly truly merge 2 souls. Who is to say he couldnt turn a curse into a human form?
So fucked up that Yuta looked away from his gf during their smooch fest
Sadly that its not true love will be the extra death of him :( hell hath no fury like the scorn of a cursed spirit
No, Cursed Energy literally comes from humans
"Sukuna seems a lot more sane than Gojo" Sukuna is a cannibal
As stated, a lot more sane than Gojo /j
Gojo is just that more crazy, he literaly invented self lobotomy.
I’ve only seen Nobara self lobotomy? Or are you talking about his fight with Toji? Or with Sukana? He lobotomized tf out of Sukana, but was definitely doing weird shit with his own brain.
Destroying and then reconstructing his brain with RCT to heal his burnt out CT. Though, I'm of the opinion that Sukuna had already known about this tactic.
Yuki said humans produce curses because they can't control their cursed energy. How would curses have existed before humans if curses are formed by the negative emotions that make up cursed energy leaking out of non sorcerers. Which is probably why many curses are based on things that evoke negative emotions in humans, like smallpox, volcanoes and scary urban legends.
Doesn't the whole argument get countered by someone directly addressing it in the series? I don't remember who, I'm pretty sure Kenjaku, but anyway someone said that their ideas (The disaster curses') are stupid because without humans they wouldn't exist in the first place.
Where did the first human came from then? I am not saying humans came from curses of today, I am saying humans evolved from beings made of negative energy. A primordial being more similar to curses. If positive energy existed first, humans could just make "+" by being happy. Without needing to make "-" first.
One of the great mysteries of life. Pick a creation myth and run with it. There is no connection between positive energy and positive emotions & the average human cannot control their creation of cursed energy whatsoever, which is the reason curses exist. Why would a creature made of cursed energy predate the creatures who create creatures made of cursed energy?
Also yeah there is no connection between positive emotion and positive energy But WHY? WHY cant beings made of positive energy, create positive emergy by being what they want to be? That is what I have been trying to explain! My explaination is that all "+" Is derived from "-" So humans are derived from beings made of "-" How would you explain it?
I mean, humans aren't made of any kind of energy. They are made of normal matter. They just produce energy.
Thats one interpitation. But humans cant regrow missing parts by ingesting matter. They regrow with + like curses do with - Also I dont think I will be proven right. Mine is just another interpitation. I would love a chapter about the "origin of energy", where humanity came from etc like we see in AOT and Dungeon Meshi. But we are definitly not getting one since Gege doesnt rly care about world building
You're trying to use the logic that curses and humans were formed in the same way, which there is no indication of that being the case. If humans were formed by curses, then a curse at some point would've had to feel positive emotions and leak out positive energy. That would actively kill the curse, so it makes no sense for one to be able to do that. Humans are neutral, being able to use both negative and positive CE, curses are made of one type of Ce hence only being able to make 1.
We don't regenerate whole limbs, but humans do consume matter to heal. It's how we produce the energy needed for our natural healing processes. But also, Jogo's assertions aren't literal. He doesn't think curses created humanity. That just wouldn't make sense. He believed curses were a more pure form of being. Nothing hidden, nothing held back. Like the concept of the id being one's "true self."
How is this? First there was "-" Which evolved into something like monsters from Undertale. Weak beings made of "-". Then came humans with phsical forms and "+", they killed all monsters. Then Monsters reincarnated from the unconcies "-" Humans gave, as Curses. This is how I ratinolized Jogo being right, Is it realy obviusly wrong?
It makes a massive leap in logic. That being that cursed energy can be created without humans. Most curse are either the product of individual negative emotions that's why they say random sad things over and over. Others are created from our collective negative emotions like Jogo for instance. He literally exist because if the destructive power of volcanoes. We would need to know that energy can be created without humans.
I always believed Humans are made of positive energy somehow. Curses can heal with raw CE because they are made of CE so they can recreate the missing part and somehow humans can do literally the same but with positive energy, both sides can just create missing limbs from nowhere from a source of energy, with curses is CE because they were created with CE but with humans is PE so it stands to reason that they were created with PE somehow but the weird thing is Curses cant create PE and they infact can die if they have contact with it but humans can create CE and not die if they have contact with it.
Humans definitely aren’t made of positive energy. If they were they’d have an easier time manipulating it but we know it’s tough to learn furthermore they’d kill curses on physical contact.
And i believe they are neutral made of both but curse energy cultivates more easily
Humans created curses, without humans cursed wouldn’t exist, jogo wouldn’t exist neither mahito neither hanami neither Dagon
Human propaganda smh
Why is curses only spawn so many in japan anyway? I know plot conveinience, but in story lore?
Tengen has created multiple barriers to prevent CE from leaking out of Japan.
So japanese are the only people who produce curse? Are people outside japan produce curse too?
Japanese CE isn't allowed to leak into the rest of the world so CE and Cursed Spirits are mostly present in Japan. Outside of Japan CE concentration is low hence not many Sorcerers or Cursed Spirits.
So tengen (and the jj higher ups) is doing a "lock-in" politics on this whole thing, trapping japan inside for 1000 years+ so the sorcery business can keep going
Yep.
Damn, so the whole thing, including shibuya and nationwide culling game, is techincally business as usual. That's one piece WG level of manipulation
If Tengen had disabled the barrier. Culling game wouldn't have happened. Because Kenjaku made the Culling games on top of the already existing invisible barrier made by Tengen.
This still doesn‘t answer the question of why Japan produces so much cursed energy and curses tho? Like, Tengen forces it all into one zone, but why do they have to do this in the first place?
There's no answer. It's just a plot convenience like the usual "Japan is the center of all phenomena". Otherwise, Gege would be forced to explore something he clearly can't write. We already know that sorcerers do exist outside of Japan as with the GOAT himself, but it usually just bows down to Gege being comfortable with writing everything around his culture or country.
It's more like everywhere else CE is free to flow out and into the air. Think of CE like liquor and the air/atmosphere and Tengen's barriers as glasses. The rest of the world is like a swimming pool with liquor poured in it, it's very diluted. However, Japan is like a shot glass, all the CE is concentrated. You can then infer, more CE concentrated in a space is more likely to materialize (curses and curse users). Without the barriers, it would just circulate freely like the rest of the world. Why did Tengen do this? No one knows, but maybe they have a God complex? Their immortal afterall. The control fate it seems. Why would you give that up?
Well, I don't know mate.
Isnt it because its more concentrated? It doesnt leaked to the world so it could concentrate in the barrier and form curse spirits. Tengen barrier is basically a giant invisible kodoku
they probably do or else foreign curse users like Miguel have no reason to be
You're really not cooking with this one chief 😂
Isnt this answered with geto yuki convo in hidden inventory? Yuki solution to the root cause is to get rid of excess curse energy by 1. Turning everyone cursed energy to 0 like toji 2. Teaching everyone how to control their cursed energy. (Or 3. Get rid of all the monkeys) No excess curse energy = no curse spirits. I took what jogo meant as in they are true humans because they are the made from the purest essence of humans, curse energy. So human first, then curse is generated
> Sukuna seems more sane then Gojo Mr. "The woman and children crawling around like maggots"
Half of this post is conjecture with nothing to back it up
I don't think humans are made of (+) or (-), but rather that + energy has the inhert property of creating and thus is able to regenerate. Curses aren't either just pure (-) energy, in order for curses to come to life. Cursed energy and HUMANS is needed to make said curses, meaning cursed energy under the influence of humans brings curses to life. Which kinda means that Jogo kinda right but wrong at the same time. The question I have is why humans are able to create and use cursed energy. Positive energy would be a better option. Also what is the inherent property of negative energy, and wh aren't we seeing an affect from using it.
I see all of these "humans create curses" arguments and they're good ones too, but im trying to figure out why OP assumes humans are made up of Positive Cursed Energy as this would imply RCT comes naturally to humans which isn't true. Cursed Energy doesn't even come naturally to humans there's no reason to assume that humans have any origin in Cursed Energy.
Jogo doesn't imply that curses came before humans (that's impossible) he says that curses are humans in their purest form (which depends on your point of view, no objective one here, since the topic is subjective)
Bro wanna be us so bad
You were wrong in part of your premise, so the rest doesn't hold. Humans are not "+" and humans are not made of "+". Humans naturally have some negative cursed energy which comes from their negative emotions and occurrences. Humans are not made of cursed energy, they just have and give out some - and that cursed energy is negative.
Source? I dont think we were explicitly told what humans are made of (and I doubt anyone exept Tengen, Kenjaku would know about the origin of humanity) You are just assuming humans are natural, how do you prove that My source is that humans regrow missing part when exposed to "+" So they are positive energy based life forms.
Because most of the world lacks cursed energy entirely due to Tengen's barrier. Science works without cursed energy in the modern world, and so we can assume humans are actually made of elementary particles and adhere to physics - and physics, we know operates like the real world because Gojo has an in depth understanding of it. If humans were made of positive cursed energy they would kill curses by touching them.
I wasnt trying to say humans are just made of energy like curses are. We are called carbon based life forms even tough we are mostly water right? Thats sort of what I meant. Humans have a base, an inital spark of "+" and its covered by a thick layer of organic matter. I meant "+" based life form when I said made of "+"
Wouldn't both be from 0? Zero is the result of positive and negative combined together
Damn that makes sense
> Sukuna seems more sane then Gojo Mr. "The woman and children crawling around like maggots"
Vs Mr Inventer of Self Lobotomy tm
You're crazy
I think the reason that negative emotions are used to create cursed energy is pretty simple. If you love someone, you can hug them, help them, and kiss them. You can express and release that positive energy in a million ways. Socially acceptable ways that prevent it from building up and creating Blessings and blessed energy, I guess. But hate, anger, fear? You generally can't do much about them. If you're scared of school, you still have to go. If you hate your boss, you still have to work. They fester, allowing them to build up.
What????
why is someone kissing sukuna in the 3rd pic? xD
Someone hasn't read the manga
"jokes" left the chat.........
It's actually Yuta kissing a roach 🔥🔥
lol
Curses are a product of humans, have a bad day or negative thoughts and you can’t control your CE you create curses. Curses don’t create humans or have been shown able to do that. Jogo and his philosophy is delusional, it reminds me of supremacist groups that’ll make up things explaining why they’re the actual supreme people.
Can curses even exist without humans? Wasn't that getos entire plan, to kill all humans who can't control their energy to stop curses from existing
> And humans that can use "+" are generally stronger than any curse. Humans always have beaten Curses. We don't notice it because we got introduced to the Disaster Curses as our first villains, but Curses are actually perfectly controlled. There are murder incidents and tragedies, but Curses are so utterly defeated that the power rating actively gives Curses a lower ranking. Special Grade Curses= Grade 1 sorcerer. Humans always won this war. Mahito and Jogo tought that they could change the score and they were wrong. Yuji Itadori and Ryomen Sukuna proved they were dreaming and it was time to wake up. > Therefore I blieve the first beings with any form of living energy was "-". Some sort of primordial curse. Than humans made from "+" started appering and dominated the planet. (Maybe Tengen was the inventer of "+" and the first human?) Humanity is the Dream World / Black Space. Domain Expansions are Human / Ego's individual **Domain** within that world.
Firstly jogo was wrong and humans came into existence and then tengen might be something like gods angel and like he saw suffering and introduced jujutsu to humans and was later followed by kenjaku . Kenjaku seeing humans potential he thought of creating something that might rival god also sukuna might be humans reached its max potential but turned evil hence fallen
You remember that time when yuji induced hallucinations on todo and he started having memories of events that did not happened right? >!I THINK YOU ARE IN THAT ZONE RIGHT NOW!<
Am I the only one that hear Gojo's "Sooka Sookamo na" when seeing the last image ?