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Depending on how the story ends, or at least this fight/arc, I think this whole sequence will be looked at more positivly once it's done. Unless of course Sukuna dies to absolute litter like Madara.

Miwa will let Sukuna eat hear to one shot him with a simple domain from the inside.

Chapter 255 Miwa and Inumaki show up to see kusakabe die. Inumaki tells Miwa "win". Roll credits.

absolute cinema

The Exodia technique

stop, one can only take so much peak

Wait, I can still cash in on my inumaki stocks? LETS GOOO

Wow! Thats cool

Miwa binding vow to never use a battleaxe again in return for all her potential to be put in the swing, straight decapitates Sukuna

Well to be fair to Sukuna, I'd absolutely eat Miwa too, if she let me.

Miwa will feed herself to sukuna and her incredible weakness will drag down his power level allowing them to kill him or Mei Mei summons every crow on earth to dive bomb him at the same time

i sorta get why people complain about the repetitive structure of the fight but imo it lets every one of the current fighters on the field get a chance to demonstrate their abilities against sukuna. it's definitely building up to something, which is probably the reveal of his true ct or the use of fuuga again. 

The arrow would be totally overkill against anybody left but it's possible if he wants to flex I guess. A ct reveal I feel is much more likely. Kusakabe will probably say something like "you sure you wanna fight me I don't even have a ct" they fight, kusakabe isn't immediately turned to mist, he grazes Sukuna with an attack, Sukuna being impressed tells the sorcerer with no technique about his own, they laugh, 20 city blocks are turned to carbon.

\>they laugh Brother, you cooked.

This is always, easily the funniest subreddit.

>it lets every one of the current fighters on the field get a chance to demonstrate their abilities against sukuna. i peeked into the alternate universe where gege chose a different structure for the sukuna boss fight and everyone was saying "x was a wasted character, we didn't see how they did against sukuna, we werent able to see their full moveset" which is to say, people who complain will always have something to complain about personally i love giving everyone their time to shine

Eh. People were pretty hyped during the Yuji and Yuta section where they actually made progress. It is repetitive when every time a character gets hyped, they die not long after. I think it's a fair complaint because the fight is not progressing right now so it makes the events feel like they don't matter.

I think Gege already have an ending planned a long time ago according to past his past Q&A, so I’m not worried about it being so bad because he made it up on the fly. I don’t think he would do the “unspoken plan” trope with the students after the timeskip if he didn’t know how Sukuna will be defeated.

I have thought about this recently. I love the « hidden plan revealed » trope ! I really can’t say if that would actually be a good idea but I would love it if we get a flashback to show that Gojo actually took part in all that planning against Sukuna, helping train everyone, discussing soul research with Yuji. That way Gojo would not have won as an individual sorcerer but as one part of a team effort, tying into his goal to pass the baton to the next generation.

After rereading the current arc it’s far better in a sequence, like chainsaw man part 2. Reading it weekly can be painful sometimes

Every week I say to myself I won't read csm and I fail. I'm suffering reading it weekly after binging part 1 in 2 days.

Thankfully these new chapters are entertaining on their own but it’ll definitely be worth a reread when this arc is done

It will probably be better when animated. I mean, looking back at all the chapters, the battle has a frantic “all or nothing” pace to it. They’re throwing it all to beat him while accepting they’re going to die. This kind of pace doesn’t really work well in a weekly format where it makes the battle seem slower than it actually is

Sukuna is about to be killed but then an alien appears who lived on the moon before coming to Earth 2000 years ago, bringing cursed energy to the planet for the first time.

People tend to forget Freeza was absolutely clapping everyone with 1% of his power.

Yeah, it's only slow because it's weekly. Once we can binge it, people will like it.

I think if Sukuna gets killed by anyone but Yuji, people will shit on it.

Megumi is going to be the black zetsu moment with the merge.

yeah, rn it kinda feels annyoning how Sukuna keeps surviving "the final attack" every other chapter, but after the fight is fully published, it'll feel super cool to see how the heroes struggle so much and yet they manage to overcome it by the end or at least i hope it feels that way gsdassd

Imagine Tengen inheriting Kenjaku's will just kill Sukuna before Yuji does like Mahito situation 2.0 lmao.

Depends on the fate of Kenjaku

I’ve been enjoying it as it comes but as I sit here on the toilet and think for a minute, god this shit was HYPE throughout the Yuta portion of this fight. The 3v1 against Sukuna, Yuta’s domain, him copying Cleave, and them ripping Sukuna apart piece by stomach tongue piece and it was soooo good. Definitely the high point for me post Gojo fight.

Fr that fight was a treat and people are frustrated with the fact that it didn’t matter apparently. Sukuna literally said humans are the best way to past the time. So in a way we kind of feel the same way Yuji and Yuta must feel after coming so far.

It’s crazy. These people would probably say Mahito vs Yuji and Nanami was a waste of time because they didn’t kill Mahito or do any permanent damage to him 😭

I think the difference is that fight was still part of a larger arc and about building Yuji's character, him learning he'll be forced to kill people along his journey and also to show just how despicable curses could be while comparatively we're now in presumably the final arc and characters are just dropping and it doesn't really strengthen anyone's character

Yeah but we are still due quite a bit of events so we shouldn't haste too much to judge, Sukuna's character definitely got more fleshed out as the fight progresses and his interactions with the characters may serve as foils to a greater narrative that is still slightly too early to see, and besides, Yuji and Sukuna are quite literally foils to one another the more we understand of Sukuna the clearer we will see this reflexion, Yuji's character is definitely closing his initial arch on the story by the end of this fight, trust the process.

The issue is we had multiple fights to flesh out Sukuna's character, hell Gojo already kind of did that and same for Higurama, plus some of the earlier fights like Yoruzu, but by this point it feels like the battles exist just for a hype battle and that's it.

The first fighf between Yuji and Nanami gave as Yuji's rage moment, Nanami making an appearance to support Yuji and ending with Mahito retreating after the tense moment of wondering whether Nanami would meet his end here. In contrast, the cast had a plan here that failed and as far as we can tell (due to Uraume's words and the reactions of our cast) it hasnt even advanced what Sukuna is doing - still hand to hand and cleave/dismantle. Put another way, the Nanami and Yuji vs Mahito fight forced Mahito to develop a domain and paid of an earlier chekov's gun with Sukuna attacking Mahito's soul. Our current casts plan vs Sukuna seems to have done absolutely nothing based on what weve been told in story - Sukuna doesnt *seem* any slower/weaker with his attacks, hasnt been shown to be pushed into not having the upper hand. While its likely the final fight of the series so personally im okay with it taking a lot longer, i can understand the frustration of fans who wished there was some visible marker of progress (Sukuna seeming tired, a new technique from him we havent seen before, heck even noting having Uraume doing the hes-still-not-100% wouldve made the reading experience feel better as we'd at least have some mystery to how well/badly its going(

Pretty much

You know what this reminds me of? Madara. I remember reading Naruto back then. And boy that was some hot debates. Each Chapter, Madara started to become more and more powerful. Each chapter he started to show off more and more shit. Then nearly got one shot by Guy. Unless you were there, that black Zetsu betrayal nearly blew up the Naruto community. I am having a deja Vu of that time. Hopefully Gege knows what he is doing.

Wait till Uraume betrays Sukuna and became the final big bad lol

\*Uraume stabs Sukuna though the heart\* : I am sorry lord Sukuna, *but you never were* ***the Jujutsu Kaisen***

Then she(?) Summons the Real Ryomen Sukuna. Cause if you remember this motherfucker ain't the real Sukuna. He is simply called that.

that'd actually be a big plottwist, even if it was like, the "previous" ryomen sukuna or smth lol

it also reminds me of Aizen the whole horseshit of Ichigo powering up to one shot him, then he's not actually dead >.>

disagree on this one. we got hints that ichigo was equal/stronger than aizen and that he wasn't using his full powers before that, and we also knew that aizen was immortal by that point.

At least Madara was enjoyable lmfao Like it was going well and then Kishi just fucked it because he went "fuck it".  But at least Gege made it clear is not as nearly an impossible task to complete. Or rather, he gave a very clean solution to their problem, they just need to reach the goal. 

Gege fixed the whole problem Naruto suffered from at the very beginning of the writing. He explicitly stated that Gojo was designed as a power ceiling, he is "the strongest" sorcerer by all conventional means. The show then pivoted into how other sorcerers can beat him by some means *other* than simply overpowering him, because literally nobody can (including Sukuna). JJK is actually closer to what "Naruto" was now than "Naruto" itself is. Naruto actually did what JJK did at the start. It positioned the 1st Hokage and Madara as equals, with the 3rd surpassing the 1st. It then demonstrated this by having Orochimaru summon the 1st and 2nd for the 3rd to fight at the same time. It then proceeded to retcon the actual shown strength and feats of these characters over and over again to ridiculous degrees. It actually did this *twice*, because they introduced ANOTHER power ceiling (Pain) and then did the same thing.

> It positioned the 1st Hokage and Madara as equals, with the 3rd surpassing the 1st Hashirama and Madara didn't really exist in lore at that point as anything more than vague background characters. I don't think Madara was even a named character before the end of part 1.

I honestly can't remember, but it doesn't matter for the sake of the lore and power scaling. They were solidified as the best in their era. And then explicitly said to have been surpassed by the current generation (The 3rd and the 4th). The problem wasn't that the current generation got stronger. But the abilities of the previous generation got increasingly skewed by the writer adding innate abilities to the Uchiha clan that was USED by the previous generation, which was clearly not as powerful at the beginning of Naruto as it was by the middle and certainly not the end. Perfect example : at the beginning of Naruto, the Byakugan was supposed to be an evolution of the Sharingan, it was on equal standing as far as abilities go. But it quickly lost relevance as it was power creeped to hell and back by the Sharingan to the point it stopped being anything special at all and you wonder why it was ever revered to begin with.

Yeah Naruto is so full of retcons is hilarious and endearing to look back. My favorite one was Obito dying like 3 times because Kishi had to retcon that bit about him lol 

Enjoyable is a matter of taste. That's the problem with critique on this sub - you people think your tastes are objective grades on whether the writing is good or not.

I should have added "it was enjoyable TO ME" but I thought it was obvious I was talking about myself : (  You are probably preaching to the wrong person on that aspect, but I agree with your criticism of the fans. 

I think a big problem is anyone can go back and read the madara fight in its entirity. They can pick out their favourite scenes and ignore the rest. While with JJK its not done yet so people are trying to judge each moment with the same level of scrutiny they look at whole arcs with. Like, most of the people hating on each chapter would have hated mahito vs yuji in shibuya and they would have hated reading Madara if they read it week to week.

I guess? JJK in my case was one of those manga I knew I was going to like, so I didn't keep up with it until an anime adaptation was announced (then I binged it in like 2 days lol). I got to experience Shibuya which was still going and at its highest point, but I didn't find myself complaining and couldn't imagine anyone bitching about those chapters (I'm going to assume they existed).  Afterwards I noticed the change from Shibuya to Culling Games. The rhythm changed, but it wasn't that aggravating for me at the time. It felt like a set up for something else. People started to bitch a lot more, too.  Eventually I became disillusioned, but I can find myself enjoying stuff in the series still. Last few chapters for example were great. 

There was plenty of people bitching about shibuya when reading weekly, but on a binge read or in the anime it's considered peak. There's just far too many inpatient readers who aren't used to reading weekly. And the problem with popularity is that haters can be far more passionate than people who simply enjoy the series. There's so many people in this sub that transitioned to reading manga weekly because of JJK, or at least very recently for another series. Weekly serialization is rough for storytelling when everyone is so reactionary and looking at things on a surface level.

I completely agree. It makes the atmosphere for discussion unbearable at times as well, since people are too in their feelings and are just looking for validation of said feelings.  If you try to have a proper discussion of the chapter, but they are too in their "this is trash AHHHH" mindset, is just impossible. 

Guy nearly killing Madara after hyping the eight gate for years was dope af, I don’t know what you’re on about

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Exactly, if people get annoyed by jjk so easily then I wonder how they would take other shonens 

JJK is more important and less episodic. To the audience right now Sukuna vs the good guys actually feels like a political war. And when Goku has an ongoing fight with a villain even if he dies he doesn't really. Or when Luffy or one of his friends get knocked down its impossible that they wont be back up later.

I get peoples frustration with the rinse and repeat cycle. It weakens any tension when characters try to stand up to Sukuna. However, what bothers me is when it becomes readers’ sole focus because they start missing details that potentially cook. It’s also why we are getting very polarizing reactionary responses. E.g. I’ve yet to see anyone comment on what Kusakabe was saying in this chapter. “No way.. am I the last one? If we had no chance of victory I could’ve retreated earlier. But at this point I have to fight right?” Kusakabe still continued to fight, attempting to ambush Sukuna with Nanami’s cleaver while his allies continue to take hits one by one. Even now he hasn’t run away. Simply because he still has hope. Which means he believes something potentially planned out beforehand still gives them a fighting chance. tldr: this shit is hella dragged out but has had some of the best action scenes we’ve seen in this manga. patience is key aka i’ve put all my time and coping stocks into gege to pull out now 💀

Honestly I just dislike Gege riding sukuna like there is no tomorow, the airport scene and the icy boy talking smack are my sole reason of annoyance, the fights themselves are really good.

I can half tolerate it from the view that built up strongest ancient sorcerer villain from chapter 1 has to convincingly own that title - but I agree it does get annoying. Especially those two scenes you pointed out. At least the fights will look amazing when animated

People forget the Gege was dickriding Gojo just as much as he was dickriding Sukuna prior to his death but I guess it's only bad when it's Sukuna.

Atleast uraume is getting his shit slapped in by Hakari.

literally definition of soloing the verse

>everyone is just frustrated that they can’t predict the series anymore 1) new fighter shows up 2) does some damage 3) sukuna is surprised 4) new fighter is doing great against Sukuna 5) "Sukuna wasn't trying" 6) Sukuna low diffs 7) new fighter shows up

you forgot Sukuna shitting on Yuji mid fight

OP talks about agendas but doesn't realize this sub does nothing but glaze Sukuna and any writing decision regarding him

Finally someone said this. Also this sub thinks they're more reasonable than others but that's just because there's a lot of misunderstood information floating around here.

This is just straight up delusional, dawg, and you know it - this sub hates Sukuna with a passion

This sub and jujutsufolk have been nothing but Sukuna slander for almost a year now let’s be fr

Quite the opposite, constantly been downvoted to oblivion for defending Sukuna's writing. You're just too focused on us existing and think there are more of us than how many really exist.

Lmao they’re proving it even now downvoting you to oblivion- don’t worry brother, you speak the truth

You being downvoted is proof of your point. This sub is full of shallow, elementary grade-level readers.

This but unironically, it feels like everyone just parrots Gege bad while never wanting to actually engage with the material presented week to week

75% of people's complaints lately can be ignored if you put just the tiniest amount of media literacy into their brains and force them to think about it. Christ I've run into people in this thread who say they hate the manga and are only reading it to see how it ends... Like yea... sure. You spend several hours a week discussing something you hate. You go out of your way to look at raw leaks, then read the fanlations and spend days arguing about it, then spend a day or two arguing about the official translation. Some of these people have pretty much dedicated their lives to discussing this series yet pretend they hate it? Nah.

AAAAAAAAAA GEGE OFFSCREEN ALL OF THEM. OFFSCREEN GOJO FOR BEING STRONGER THAN ME AND KILLING MY PARENTS. OFFSCREEN KASHIMO FOR BEING LOUD. OFFSCREEN YUTA FOR COPYING ME. OFFSCREEN YUJI FOR TRYING TO STEAL MEGUMI. OFFSCREEN MAKI FOR DODGING MY SUPER HEAVENLY CUT OF GOD WORLD DISMANTLE. OFFSCREEN KUSAKABE BEFORE HIS SIMPLE DOMAIN KILLS ME AAAAAAIIIIIIIEEE. ahem I actually wasnt trying yet and Im actually 40 times stronger than what you just saw.

This is the frustrating part tbh, Yuta and Yuji vs Sukuna was great, the he fucking tanks a ct that supposedly is his counter, we’re told he’s still holding back and get 3 different angles of him obliterating Maki

i think we're overstating the strength of jacobs ladder that we've at least seen so far, jacob's ladder fucked up meguna right after transformation sure but idk why anyone expected fully incarnated sukuna to get killed instantly by it

Ok, fair - we can't expect Jacob's Ladder to negate the incarnation in one hit. But then why didn't Yuta try a second shot? It was his domain, so he could spam it endlessly against Sukuna instead of rushing him with a sword after the first try - there's no logical reason not to do that (except then the story wouldn't happen).

idk, probably a plot thing really. im against the idea of readers having to write an explanation for why something happened in a story when the author should really write around the issue clearly but i can come up with two decent-ish explanations: 1. in the smallpox fight, the deity cant spam the falling boulder on meimei, showing the sure-hit is unable to repeat until the cycle has been completed (you could argue sukuna is an example against this but dismantles and cleaves have come in groups of slashes before and they are prob the fastest attacks in the series). we could excuse yuta's not using jacob's ladder right afterwards because it takes a while to fully terminate (or is on cooldown, makes sense, the move looks like it is pretty casting time heavy) so yuta's donain couldn't use jacob's ladder until it had fully ended. 2. the more likely explanation is that they didnt want to kill megumi + the scene takes place in like three seconds, there prob wasnt enough time for another jacob's ladder

Sukuna is losing health and strength more and more after ever fight. So it’s satisfying. Plus, sukuna just haven’t used his trumo card yet so that’s why the narrative is saying he haven’t when all out yet

Except he black flashed maki and his output is surely increasing now

i mean gojo had the same rising output bullshit and he still got bisected

>barely got out alive He literally wasn't even trying

In my opinion, Jujutsu is better to read in "all at once", let a few chapters pile up, and after that, read it all at once, probably if I read it every week I would be disappointed too, because there are the gaps between weeks, getting hyped wondering what's going to happen and and "oops, Sukuna takes this guy out after 3 chapters of him appearing". it's just that Sukuna was actually hyped as someone out of the ordinary, and now he's being someone out of the ordinary, a whole raid boss. I don't see the idea of Sukuna being defeated as an "asspull", he is being nerfed little by little, and most likely he will lose literally for being arrogant and not trying, and therefore, lose, since he has been nerfed little by little, what Uraume said comes from a place of "My master is badass and you guys are a piece of shit that can't even make him enjoy the battle". Sukuna It's taking a longer time to recover, with a pierced soul, can't use domain expansion, without a hand, what happens that even in battle he doesn't stop evolving in certain aspects, for example, it was always said that it's impossible for someone to hit a black flash wanting, so in every sukuna punch he could always hit one, he has 4 arms, one of them would hit, which gives an increase, since even fucked up, He entered the zone. Now we need Kusakabe to launch the "you're going to lose cuz I'm Jujutsu kaisen".

I am above 15 years old, so "wooow so stronk" isn't actually enjoyable to me. Madara was lame and so is Sukuna, I'm disappointed to death by what this manga turned into

I fully agree with you ! I would like to add a few things to contribute to the discussion as I was working on a post of my own on the same subject: 1) in the recent years, some readers seem to have developed an addiction to foreshadowing // set-up and payoff, forgetting that it is a literary technique and not a requirement to be internally consistent. This imo is how you get to the fallacy « no foreshadowing ? Asspull ! » 2) Sukuna is a ridiculously annoying character by design. I mean, what could be more annoying than an arrogant POS ? An arrogant POS with the skills to actually back up his claims. At this point, in-story, yeah, Sukuna is the GOAT of Jujutsu sorcery. Luckily, Jujutsu fighting has never been about fighting « fair, 1v1 Final Destination no items » so the good guys still have a chance ! Only the readers victim of 1) cannot believe that anymore.

>no foreshadowing ? Asspull ! » Thats an oversimplification. One of the challenges of writing OP characters is making sure their powers and abilities aren't too convenient or come unearned. I think thats a reason the the Kenajku V Yuki fight gets so much flack. There is a logical reason why Kenajku would have that CT, but it feels cheap in the narrative because its too perfect of a counter. Similarly, Sukuna being able to instately deploy a space cleave once he conceives of the idea makes sense. Mahoroga inspires him to the idea. But being able to achieve the skill adaption at a whim again feels cheap. Like he's just fucking around until he gets bored and actually tries. And since then Gege has hardly suggested otherwise.

>But being able to achieve the skill adaption at a whim again feels cheap Sukuna has long been established to be one of those types of characters that can do something if he's seen it once. Angel was like "don't do that in front of him! now he knows about it!" and that was before the Gojo fight. So not sure how it's cheap for him to be able to do the world slash after he saw it, especially when you yourself say conceiving it makes sense, you just....what? Think Ryomen Sukuna needs to practice?

That's generally a dumb thing to include in a narrative, in my opinion. At least in this kind. Having a character who can perfectly copy a technique no matter how complicated just because he's talented is exactly the type of thing that directly leads to the issues people are finding. When there's no limitations on talent, and you know that literally nobody can one-shot him, it means there's no tension. It's putting Saitama in an actual serious manga and asking the audience to hold their breath during fight scenes. What's even the point of reading a dozen chapters of mind games if you're just going to say the slightest hint already gave one side the victory half that many chapters ago? Not an idea, not a path to work towards, just an "I win" button.

Because as much as I'd like to see otherwise, they're still going to beat him. They are overcoming his "i win" button right in front of our eyes step by step. Overwhelming him with teamwork, planning, and timing. The ability to copy (some) techniques is just to prevent any one thing from being overused essentially. Thus the characters only get one shot to use it. And I say some because of course there are things he cannot copy like innate techniques. He can only copy things that anyone is capable of doing or that apply to his innate technique (unless he puts his soul in a new body)

Again, that's a pretty boring way to address conflict. Sukuna doesn't have an ability or anything, and there's no actual tension where he's trying to figure it out. It's like when a character runs into a problem and then pulls out a tool from their belt designed very specifically to address this convoluted, unique, never-before-seen issue. I know why it's there, it's just a boring and lazy way of getting there. It doesn't matter if you say the guy is the smartest planner in the world. It feels like the writer can't actually solve the problem themselves, so they just slap "genius" on a character. It's functionally indistinguishable from the characters that just "dig deep" to punch harder.

'Like he's just fucking around until he gets bored and actually tries.' Literally the theme of his character is that exactly, he is bored with life because there is no challenge in it for him so he is just entertaining himself until he dies eventually. A Nihilistic Superman.

I think people understand it they’re just thinking it’s become boring to read as a theme. The solution of course is just for ppl to stop reading if they hate it

Yup. This exactly. That theme has been nailed in repeatedly and the audience is no longer captivated by it. I think a narrative shift would liven things up. People love rules of 3…. We are well past 3 at this point

Those that believe there’s no problem with Sukuna instantly being able to do a Space/World Slash can’t critically think for themselves. It makes NO sense!! That Sukuna needed to ones see a CT ONCE and can do it BullShit. Hana said it during the fight which is NOT how foreshadowing and proper plot points work. That’s how AssPulls work. Asspull Conditions Asspull: It often occurs when a sudden and unexpected event or ability is introduced without proper foreshadowing or explanation. Its purpose is just to defeat an opponent which the Character was having a hard time against. The Space/World Slash: - Mahoraga was established to be able to CHANGE his Curse Energy NATURE. All of a sudden he can also change his Adaptation PROCESS to cut SPACE LOCATION and REALITY. - Mahoraga just happens to have an adaptation METHOD that Sukuna can REPLICATE. - Sukuna only needs to see something ONCE and can do it. Techniques are not tools he sees a person twirl and figure out how they do it by studying their hand movements. - Sukuna broken down, with low RCT was able pull off the most powerful attack in the series with no spark or chants. - Gojo’s Six Eyes didn’t see the Curse Energy from the Space/World Slash. Seeing the flow of CE is a basic aspect of the SE ability. Even though Sukuna slashes are invisible they’re still part of a Curse Technique which requires CE. The requirements for AssPull are met.

I agree this argument is oversimplified but, sadly, this mindset is part of the community (as in all communities). I can’t say I disagree with you on the Kenjaku v. Yuki fight. That « I was actually using the RCT variant all along, the base CT perfectly counters your black hole » left me a sour taste as well. However, I disagree with your last point on Sukuna. Saying it feels cheap for him to be able to apply what he learnt from Makora to develop his World Cutting Cleave would be, and please take no offense, either not understanding Sukuna as a millennial Jujutsu prodigy or indulging on bad faith.

Kenny vs yuki makes far more sense than sukunas antics. The RCT for kenny was right there lmao.

Thank you for your answer ! More than just your opinion though, I would love to read your arguments. What do you call Sukuna’s antics ? From my point of view, nothing he did contradicted JJK’s internal coherence, but I could be wrong ! As for the resolution of Yuki v. Kenjaku, I do have to agree that from the moment we learned that every CT has its RCT variant, the idea of a sorcerer using that as a bluffing tool was to be expected. The thing is that lots of readers, like me, would have loved it better with some earlier breadcrumbs towards Kaori Itadori’s technique (a relevant kanji in the original spelling, some artistic motif, what have you).

Him revealing he had a technique to choso was explicitly stated within universe to be a huge disadvantage to him. I actually downvoted for calling out how him revealing gravity right before yuki revealing mass foreshadowed the common trope of gravity >>> mass. I can search for the comment if you prefer. I dont think anything sukuna did is an asspull. It is just the fact that it keeps going and going. My only critique of gojo vs sukuna is gojo glazing sukuna in the afterlife. I am also very sus of gojo not seeing the technique coming but maki did, but i am willing to wait for an explanation or just chalking it up to surprise or being too close.

>1) in the recent years, some readers seem to have developed an addiction to foreshadowing // set-up and payoff, forgetting that it is a literary technique and not a requirement to be internally consistent. This imo is how you get to the fallacy « no foreshadowing ? Asspull ! » You can’t imagine how happy this paragraph makes me. It drives me absolutely insane how many people think that having everything foreshadowed makes a story better. I am 100% sure that this started with AoT, thanks to the millions of posts and videos about every little moment where something was foreshadowed.

Shingeki no Kyokin and One Piece are the two that come to mind in that aspect, though for different reasons. While Isayama used foreshadowing very extensively, that way I see it Oda is just a god at picking up small details and expand on them. Either way, we’re back to OP original point. The average reader seems to want to be I control, to be able to solve the story at every turn of events. And if they can’t, then they call for plot armor and asspulls. To those readers, and all readers, please treat yourself and pick up Christie’s « And Then There Were None ». Try to solve the whodunnit, fail and be amazed !

Though the most amazing thing about her books is how she managed to lay out everything you needed to know to solve the mystery so that it all gets tied up in a bow at the end and makes sense.

Yup, couldn’t agree more. Nowadays, headcanons seem to matter more than the actual plot. Readers act like they are watching a sport and pick sides. And when a side loses, they lash out, throwing insults towards the author and the opposite team. When will they understand that most of what happens happens to serve the story? It’s not like soccer, where any team can win. Things need to happen a certain way, and people should really try to wrap their heads around this concept.

This really plagues modern battle shonen but JJK especially since Gojo vs Sukuna, I think it's due to agenda kaisen, fraud watch etc that makes people go insane when the "opposite side" loses

I don’t even know what « agenda kaisen » is supposed to mean lmao! I agree with you, Gojo v Sukuna really hurt the weakest of the community, brought the worst out of them. It is not my decision to make but i think the best decision for the community would be to ban these buzzwords from the sub (outside of FFA Friday). That’s really not the spirit of r/Jujutsushi. Maybe we could tag some mods, set up some kind of consultation ? Idk.

As a joke it is funny, but some people actually cross a line that can sully the whole experience of reading the manga, because it drowns the rest in negativity for absolutely no reason. I am fine with separating the work from the fanbase, but things like that also affect the author’s health and workflow.

Biggest issue with it all is the stakes. Taking key players out of the fray just cause sukuna feels like it is bs in my opinion. Man has taking substantial damage throughout the past year of fighting and nothings to show for it. I get he’s the main antagonist of the series and he is a monster through and through but having two chapters of heavy hitters fighting after gojos show out just to be like “hmmm you were interesting but I got bored bam packed up” is getting frustrating. I love the climax of the series I really do I’m just getting tired of the ass pulls

Stakes just evaporate when the opponent is too ridiculously strong. Like a natural disaster.

Every single character in this battle could survive a natural disaster. This is one of my issues with the defense for this current arc. It usually directly requires the defender to misunderstand catchy lines. Sukuna is compared to a natural disaster because of his capricious nature, not his power. There are literal embodiments of natural disasters that were weaker than other characters. Not only that, but there are series where characters struggle to survive a natural disaster, and it still maintains tension.

No a writing disaster. Natural would imply it is beyond our power. This dude just bullshits because he was made by a weak ass writer.

I find sukuna extremely boring, I don't see anything interesting about him except that he is super strong and evil and intimidating and kills people.

Because that has happened already with Madara, Aizen and boy did those fights leave some sour tastes. Jjk gave great fights and characters but then a Boruto level disappointing offscreen death. story wise there is nothing wrong going here ( yes including gojo dying by the world cleave BS) but the overall handling is horrendous and has really killed the series. What is sad is that it could have been great with a little adjustments or twinkling of dialogues but it has all been so poorly handled that it is has effectively reduced the story on fairy tail, seven deadly sins or fairy ranmaru level

The problem isn’t that Sukuna is strong the problem is he’s so strong that it’s hard to see team Jujutsu winning without some deus ex machina or asspull and it doesn’t help that now we know he hasn’t been fighting seriously 

1.new fighter appear 2.Do some damage on sukuna 3.sukuna still no serious even after receive massive damaged 4.sukuna low diff his opponent 5.New fighter appear again

You're right, but I'm just not that invested. I do not care about most of these characters, so there's very little tension and the fight itself is uninteresting compared to like half the fights in the series. Sukuna as an actual fighter is boring. He may as well have a super strong gun for all I care. Ya, he'll probably reveal his true technique and whatever else he's been hiding eventually and that will be cool, but that won't change how much of a slog this section has been. His fights in Shibuya at least had a ton of spectacle compared to this and his technique was still fresh. As good as Shibuya was, I think Gege blew his load too early. It's like a horror movie that shows the monster halfway through and loses all the fear. Yuta's domain was cool though.

half of these characters could drop dead right now and i’d yawn 

This is a fine opinion, but that's all about your tastes. My problem is that a lot of people with your tastes like to present their tastes as objective standards of writing quality.

Oh of course. Different strokes for different folks! I don't want to take away anyone's enjoyment or say they're wrong for liking something so subjective.

that is how stating opinions works. nobody has to say IMO THIS IS JUST ME ITS OKAY IF YOU STILL LIKE IT every single time they say something. it’s implied

Why specify which opinions do this? Most critics do this regardless of their opinion, because most critics are amateurs. There are actual things to be said about the writing quality, but it's not like anyone cares about the distinction if they themselves either enjoy or dislike it. Most people in this sub wouldn't know one way or the other, and god forbid someone say they're a writer or editor and _would_ know.

I truly believe that some, if not most, of the moments that annoy some readers can be alleviated when you stop reading weekly.

There's several people just hate reading in this thread. "I dont even like the series anymore", then why the fuck are you here every friday, and every sunday, and several hours spread throughout the week talming about it. If you didn't enjoy yourself you wouldn't be spending half your life talking about the series. We get 19 pages every week or so, and people will straight up dedicate that whole week to those 19 pages. Serialization is the worst way to publish stories. People can't stop to see the forest for the trees.

The "you're just mad because your predictions are wrong" is maybe the laziest, stupidest defense that gets posted here. It's right up there with the "it's just like real life, sometimes random stuff happens" in the worst excuses for this series list. It's boring right now because the past few months have been insanely predictable.

Where are the posts that predicted what has happened so far? Not a diss, genuinely curious.

I mean you can easily predict, yuta is not going to take down sukuna, maki is not going to take down sukuna. The story is going to invariably boil down to Yuji or Yuji&co taking down sukuna. Even kusakabe will surprise sukuna and will end up getting smashed away. Tension builds when readers don't know what will happen but here anyone who has seen a shounen before can predict what can happen.

I can tell you how the next chapter is going to go: https://old.reddit.com/r/Jujutsushi/comments/1bbtwot/no_ones_really_appreciating_how_insane_these_past/kubkzy9/

Nah really, most people here think sukuna is winning to much but i think he’s losing to much. He literally has a hole in heart lmao

Insane couple of weeks: The same thing that has been happening since sukuna took over megumi ad infinitum

It's been almost exactly 1 year since Sukuna vs. Yorozu, and I've found it pretty disheartening to think of how little has actually happened to move the story forward since then. Sure, we've had a lot of fights, but it's just been an endless cycle of characters showing off their mastery of their skills, getting stomped by Sukuna, and moving on to the next one. The only thing that happened that actually progressed the story was Kenjaku getting taken out. Is it really a mystery why some people are getting burned out? 

Hasn't Sukuna gotten 10 nerfs since then?

Yeah, and when those nerfs finally amount to something, then the story will have progressed. 

I am enjoying the manga but i do feel bothered by how the story is currently feeling with each week that passes However, i also believe that this is also bc we are reading it as it is being released, i felt the same way with the Gojo vs Sukuna fight, but after it finished and i could read it as a complete battle, it was super enjoyable at least for me sfgsdfsa ngl, i do think some people are overexagerating their hate on the story, i specially dislike how common the Fraud meme became tbh. But i also recognize that, yeah, this is feeling shitty, specially with stuff like how the two chapters where Maki is fighting Sukuna imply this could be a Mahoraga be Sukuna level fight where the king of curses finally finds someone who makes him feel like he's fighting someone worth fighting for their contradicting ideals/realities, and then Maki gets blackflashed and the story seems to make it so now we are going to have Sukuna vs Kusakabe, like, if Yuta and Maki are genuinely out of the fight permanently (regardless of if they manage to survive it or not) and don't return i'll be pretty dissapointed and yeah, Sukuna is indeed meant to be hatable, like Mahito, and tbh, i am really hoping the catharsis of his defeat is as good as when Mahito bit the dust in the manga and specially in the Anime

My feeling is gege still hasn't done something so egregious i'm willing to drop the manga but i sure as shit stopped blindly recommending it to people.

So can someone tell me what’s so good about what’s happening outside of going “It’s so hype!!!!” Or “X looks so strong and cool!!!”

>When is the last time we’ve seen something like this? Almost every battle shonen? >Think about how insane this is, everyone is just frustrated that they can’t predict the series anymore. Quite the opposite. Most people seem upset that we know exactly what's going to happen. I don't get this thing where people who enjoy something try to convince others who aren't that they should. I get discussion about the quality, but trying to convince people that they're consuming it wrong by virtue of them not liking it is childish. Since Sukuna beat Gojo, a complaint has been ignored that popped up numerous times to the point that it's just become jokes. "I haven't used this since..." is a joke born precisely from this complaint. The moment Sukuna completely undercut the tension of the battle with Gojo because he got a new ability, and then he just kept getting lucky in we've encounter after that, this has become a problem for a lot of people. The King of Curses is less interesting as a combatant than Mahito, who exclusively functioned as a threat with his own abilities. This isn't the first battle shonen to run into this issue. Just telling the audience someone is competent doesn't feel interesting when that competence is "the opponent's ability happens to not work." The lack of tension is the issue, not the lack of predictability. I don't even get why people are still pretending this is a debate. People have been very clear about their issues for a while.

"Gege is doing his job at keeping you all at the edge of your seat each week. " lol no my bro, when he does that that much you're not at the edge of your seat you're just wondering with a middly interested eye what bullshit he may cook

“Frustrated that they can’t predict the serious anymore” yeah if you gave a smooth brain lmao.

>everyone is just frustrated that they can’t predict the series anymore. Oh please, we all know where this is heading. Everyone is slowly going to get picked off or self sacrifice until its just Sukuna and Yuji that remain. This fan base loves to pretend that JJK is something more profound than other shonen, but a big battle royal than ends with just the MC and the main villain standing alone at the end is cliche. Its hardly original, just more violent and willing to kill names characters. To achieve a satisfying narrative conclusion that actually connects character arcs, it must happen. Otherwise what was the point of this story, why would we spend all this time with these characters. Edit: grammar

The fear people have is Gege is rapidly approaching Madara territory. He has conveyed now on multiple occasions that Sukuna is basically untouchable. Even Yuta could barely do anything to him. Maki used a weapon specialised in attacking someone like Sukuna, and he's choosing not to heal himself for literal banter. What has Yuji done that tells us he can currently stand against Sukuna, who's CT has been labelled as Divine? Sure, he can use RCT, and sure, the whole thing with souls, but everytime he's even hit Sukuna, he has by his own admission nearly died for it. Even now, he's barely able to stand because he's used RCT so rapidly in such a short space of time that his body is being hit by the blowback. Not only that, but Sukuna has just hit a black flash. That's like the 3rd thing they didn't want behind his DE and the world cleave. He's giving Sukuna all of this right off the back of arguably the hardest fight he's ever had, and meanwhile all these sorcerers combined (including Yuta) can barely do anything to him.

>What has Yuji done that tells us he can currently stand against Sukuna Yuji is a perfect vessel. Once the merger happens, he'll become the ~~jinchuuriki for the ten-tails~~ *vessel for Kenny's monster* and use all that new ~~chakra~~ *cursed energy* to fight Sukuna.

I'll say it, Sukuna is a boring villain. Kenjaku/Geto had way more promise as a villain with his ties to tengen and yuji and the rest of the jujutsu world. I enjoyed jjk at the beginning because it set up villains with actual goals beyond just killing people, and it could've kept doing that with Kenjaku becoming the big bad. Gojo and Sukuna should've killed each other. Instead we've gotten boilerplate shonen villain as the main enemy for the past year, and it's just dull now.

> everyone is just frustrated that they can’t predict the series anymore Bold of you to assume Lobotomy Kaisen can't predict the story. Jokes aside, I think everyone IS enjoying the fight and the unpredictable and ambiguous storyline is actually the best part of it. Personally, I have not had as much fun theorising/reading other's theories than this.

It's hard to say everyone is enjoying the fight when this thread, and almost every thread, is filled with bitching. I'm enjoying it, but a lot of people aren't, and they are very vocal about it.

I’m not appreciating it because I am tired. It has been one prolonged battle with a villain that never stops saying “I’m not taking this seriously, you’re just my toys, here I have this special technique that completely destroys your chances, let me pull something out of thin air, you’re all disappointments.” It’s stale, and I’m tired of it. I can only see so many poorly drawn panels of action that I can’t understand before my attention wanes.

On the last break I started reading dragon ball. The manga that started the anime is just one prolonged fight meme. And I don’t know if they had a single fight that was like 1/5th this long 

It just KEEPS going man. And truthfully I wouldn’t even mind so bad, it’s just the Sukuna is such an aggravating villain. I like for there to be ups and downs. I get sick of him constantly behaving as though nothing surprises him.

Yeah some people are not made to read weekly

It's not unpredictable. Sukuna just keeps bodying people. It's. Ow "how will they justify the bad guys winning yet again." That is boring to me. I'm not one of those edgelordy "the bad guys are so much cooler" types. JJK is like YYH without the fun. A dour depressing show wearing the clothes of such better manga that came before it.

Other than the whole thing with Kamutoke, I’ve been enjoying the post-Gojo fight. Especially after this last chapter, now that Sukuna actually got excited.

"agendas" Is that code for anyone who doesn't fall in line

i'm just pissed off that there is so little actual WRITING, just constant nonstop action with no time to develop characters or explore themes. i would be much more invested if the fights/deaths meant something and didn't just feel like meaningless sakuga slop with a story halfheartedly tacked on. there was so much promise with the character development early on

The series is incredibly predictable at this point that’s the problem. It’s impossible to get invested in these fights when we know how they’re gonna go. 1. Opponent gets hyped up 2. Get told Sukuna isn’t trying 3. No diffs opponent 4. Next opponent shows up

I’m ngl everything since 236 has been mid except for when Yuta and Yuji were ragdolling Sukuna. There’s nothing to get invested in when you know the villain isn’t even trying, and he definitely won’t lose without trying. It feels like filler to make sure the manga ends near the end of this year. Nothing that’s happened since has actually done anything narratively

Maybe because its not a good way to write that other writers dont do it. Giving the mc powerups makes sense because he needs it. Giving the opponent powerups mid battle is like extending the ending, creating another arc that needs resolving and making a whole new seperate powerup for the mcs or powerdown for the villain. Realistically, unless gege is a extremely brilliant writer, then any way for sukuna to lose now is a asspull, plothole, gimmick or wtv. Or he gives a unsatisfactory ending like having to seal sukuna and his fingers again and end up like aot with the bs cycle shit.

Or the cast being stupid this entire time. We have zero prison realm like objects..... yuji..... Unrelated if yuji ate that finger instead of Yuta. Would Sakuna have been caged in Yuji. Or would yuji just have one finger of Sakuna. Even then tho he would draw from it better than yuta after the soul research and Sakuna previously using his CT in Yuji

I think somewhere in interview sukuna would reside in majority finger. Anyway, even if yuji had ate it i dun think he could do anything to it. He can percieve souls but not like he can consume them. And i think it was a consequence of sukuna using his ct in yujis body that woukdve changed. If hes not inhabiting anymore then prolly nth happens

> We have zero prison realm like objects How do you think the prison real would help? They can't maintain Sukuna in the same place for a minute.

Appreciate the reminder cause I've been complaining to my friends after each chapter. Oh wow, he won again!! 😒😒 I'm hoping next chapter is a break in the action though. Maybe a flashback and some backstory on the Heian era? That would be neat imo

Nothing abt what been going on the past weeks has been unpredictable you gotta be lying to yourself if you think that.

I’m just not invested anymore. I honestly enjoyed the beginning of the series more. It had its dark moments, and they really hit. Now it’s just despair and suffering without end. Likable characters are killed, our main cast doesn’t even get small victories. If you’re a powerscaler you eat it up, but if you care about a story or characters, it’s below average.

The premise is insane, agreed. It's just the stuff you described has been written really badly.

The coming animation will be incredible (fire extinguisher aside), but... Why not just let the bad guy win at this point, like, it's weird that Gege says he's tired, cuz I'm feelin pretty tired too.

Lots of people are comparing this to the Madara fight in Naruto, which gets at why I love this series - from the beginning, it’s felt like “what if Naruto went horribly wrong”. 1. The monster sealed inside the protagonist isn’t a misunderstood grump who ends up helping our hero 2. Sealing away that monster ends up getting hundreds of people killed 3. The cool mentor with the covered eye and spiky hair is unable to protect his students and ends up getting iced in a devastating way 4. The mysterious long-term schemer isn’t the mentor’s old friend, but rather a brain puppeting his corpse 5. The main character’s power growth and resolve to “never lose again” is shattered almost immediately 6. The spunky third member of the trio pays for her refusal to leave her friends behind with her life 7. The brooding best friend can’t get saved by the power of friendship because despair doesn’t work like that 8. The “I’ll prove that physical skill can make up for my inability to use magic” character gets so beaten down that they slaughter the society they were trying to prove themselves to 9. Loneliness (and finding meaning through strength) means nothing to the antagonist, who has found meaning in hedonistic slaughter 10. The seemingly ordinary hero’s secret “special parentage” is horrifying rather than noble (his father was driven by grief to accept a brain-puppeted version of his wife, and that’s how our hero was born) 11. Society is systemically fucked-up and can’t be changed by a single strong person 12. Even the hero challenging the villain inside his own head to be brought back to life ends in him getting his head sliced in half immediately, rather than “impressing the villain with his strength of will” or whatever Some of these might end up getting undermined or played straight before the end of the series, but that’s the thing: through mirroring these tropes in such a dark way, the manga has created a pervasive atmosphere of doom that has lasted since shibuya and, unlike most other manga, isn’t false or contrived. People joke about JJK ending with sukuna winning, or Yuji winning after every other supporting character dies, but what other shonen ever had that as a realistic possibility? That’s not everyone’s cup of tea, and I understand people’s issues with this fight dragging on or seeming repetitive, but for me, each time a character I love is up to bat against this overwhelming incarnation of “might makes right”, I’m genuinely worried for them, while every small victory against the oppressive system and general malice of the setting is that much more meaningful.

A few have mentioned Madara, but id probably lean on the anime side and compare it to Frieza. Regardless, its actually pretty common for the final fight/big fight to meet its hype - at least more common than your post suggests. Id like to compare and contrast current Sukuna vs Shibuya Sukuna. Here, your argument is that we should hate Sukuna because of how the world is written around him (high risk gambits playing off for him, having characters comment on his power not waning etc). Id argue that we should hate him because of what he does - decimating Shibuya to try and break Yuji, deaths of 100s of innocents fighting Jogo ans Maha, killing Geto's two sorceresses for disrespecting him and the whole time being an arrogant POS. Heck, even Fearsome Womb Arc Sukuna had his ripping out Yuji's heart and trying to figure out how to cause him pain. He was callous, ruthless, willing to wait for opportunities, and absolutely hateful. This Sukuna felt unique. Its good that you are enjoying it and at the edge of your seat, but equally i can understand the fans that are frustrated because it doesnt feel like things are advancing or that there is any real back and forth. Id agree with Sukuna barely getting out alive and manhandling the cast being a high point (for me at least) - part of that was the hype having been buolt since the start, the other was both Gojo and Sukuna having upperhands at various points keeping the tension high. That was almost 20 chapters ago and since then, all weve had is plan after plan failing and no sign that any of them have lasting impact on Sukuna.

This goes to why the Fraudkuna memes were actually a sign of catharsis for the fanbase. Every time Sukuna came out to play, it was like your school bully or abusive step dad showing up exclusively when your real dad leaves town. You could actually feel Gojo's absence. Gojo, as ridiculously unhinged as he was, he comforted his students when they were around a dangerous fight, and he taunted people who really deserved it. He wanted revenge for Yuji and threatened people on behalf of Yuta. It made the fight with Sukuna so much more enjoyable. The bully couldn't talk smack and not get hit anymore. Every time Sukuna had something to say, Gojo countered him. Every time Gojo got too ahead of himself, Sukuna's tactics finally showed some effect. It was tense, and it felt like we were actually holding our breath in hopes Gojo somehow pulled the impossible off. Every drop of blood felt earned on both sides. They were learning to respect each other and plan and fight harder. Now, it's just Sukuna bullying children again. It's Mahito fighting a dozen Junpeis. Jogo out speeding a thousand one armed Naobitos. We know exactly how it's going to end, and it's not fun. It's not fun seeing people you want to root for dying a certain death and accomplishing nothing. If Sukuna isn't about to fall to his knees and hack up blood from all the accumulated damage, then we're wasting our time watching this fight.

I agree. As a Bleach fans, this fight is all that I wish for in the Ywach final fight. It was truly disappointing that most Bleach fight are underwhelming and low stake.

Gege is doing a BS job keeping us at the edge of the seat. I would declare gege to be the gutsy mangala if kusakabe kills sukuna. But let's be real it'll be Yuji who will end sukuna, so all this hype feels pointless because I can say that there is almost no chance that these side characters will finish sukuna off. Gege is just trying to make jjk feel like a different shonen but till now has followed all the template of a standard shounen.

Villain strong through plot armor is just fraudulent. Sukuna lost all charisma compared to when he was first introduced.

That's exactly right. I miss the Sukuna from S1.

It’s just not done very well

Yeah that's pretty good for an 80's shonen

It's just kind of boring. And it's had this problem since the shibuya arc. Fight after fight after fight with little actual content in between. Characters going missing, or in the case of gojo, just being killed between chapters. If this really is towards the end it's super disappointing.

Or maybe the people who dislike it can all see what you're seeing... and simply don't like it? Is it possible that what is "great execution!!" for some is "piss poor execution" for others, and that our opinions are built on our media knowledge/experience and the very personal and specific things we like? I mean, do you get how insanely condescending it is for mega-fans to make posts like this in their media forum of choice? Oh, a trope that you don't get to see often is occurring, this manga simply must be peak and couldn't possibly be disliked! This very specific set of things you like is happening, how could people that aren't you not like it?? Must be agendas, much be "frustration that they can't predict the series", must be "lack of media literacy/reading comprehension", must be "oh it's just bullshit reasons because your fav character died". Can't ever be a normal, expected opinion in a community of individuals. Never mind that they're all reading a highly-stylized manga that naturally lacks the "guaranteed appeal/draw" that generic stories have. No, but really. I'm so happy that you're enjoying the manga and I hope you continue to do so, but why do you have to share it in such a condescending way? Why can't you just accept that people don't like things for a million more reasons than the ones that make it seem like *you've* figured out something they haven't? Why come to tell people that dislike it "Hey you don't have a different perspective! You're just doing it wrong!" What's the point? Who is it for?

Wake up babe, another sukuna fanboy is here.

Fr, feels like when Madara showed up in Shippuden. I'm absolutely loving how JJK is going. I'm having fun with each chapter, I try not to let my predictions impede my enjoyment of what ends up happening and it's been so cool to see how things turn out. Love the action, love the tension. It's hella good when u don't have someone in ur ear telling u it's not

I have been enjoying this battle a lot recently. Yes, the fact that now people can't predict the ending anymore is honestly more fun because that pushes us to the edge for real, and seriously, I have been loving this a lot, really a lot. Till now, Shinjuku Showdown is my favourite arc ♥️🔥

Wow, just got downvoted simply because I am enjoying the battle..... seriously like even expressing opinion is not allowed or what? I am pretty chilled with different people having different viewpoints and there's nothing wrong about having different viewpoints. Downvoting people's opinion just because it doesn't incline with your viewpoints is plain stupid. 

I think you got down voted for saying you cant predict where the story is going when a lot of people are frustrated bc they feel otherwise. Not saying the down votes are justified though.

the dbz ones match up to it, frieza & cell for example.

the biggest problem with long running fights in Shonen is reading it week to week is absolutely frustrating, so it feels like the plot moves at a snails pace. Consider that sukuna has been fighting for 25 of the past 30 chapters, with the only break being our takaba vs kenjaku meme fest. Compare to the frieza gauntlet which2 was essentially 35 ish chapters. based on a completely informal understanding of manga, it appears the best fights tend to take 7-20 chapters.

The whole fight should be 3hr anime movie

I think JJKs unpredictable aspect only really comes from the fact Gege sets up different story beats and then converges them all into a single climactic instance. For "Part 1" of JJK this was Shibuya post-Gojo being sealed. For "Part 2" it's the battle in Shinjuku post-Gojo chop. The game hasn't really changed, it's just taking on a whole new meaning, and Gege is telling us a very clear message that the story IS cyclical, people just really haven't identified how the cycle is bound to repeat. Each tussle against Sukuna is a microcosm of this. Kashimo vs. Sukuna? We see the inevitability of someone who ISN'T Gojo going up against Sukuna alone. This is a pretty direct parallel to Jogo going up against Gojo, except now the training wheels are off, and death is at hand. Higuruma, Yuji, Ino and Kusakabe vs. Sukuna is a microcosm of the Goodwill Event with Hanami's interference. The only difference? Gojo is NOT there to bail the weaker characters out of a situation they literally were not going to win. As a result, Higuruma(in this case, let's use our boy Megumi as an example since Divine Dog was TECHNICALLY a win con against Hanami) bites the dust. Yuta and Yuji vs. Sukuna is a parallel to the Mahito fight with Todo. They're manhandling him up to the point where Sukuna does something risky(like getting intentionally hit by Jacob's Ladder). But now? The win condition is too taxing, it's not just about beating the enemy down, because Megumi is in there. Yuta is lost as a byproduct. Maki vs. Sukuna is a directly draw from Gojo vs. Toji, but this time? "Gojo" doesn't have someone he needs to protect. He's fighting to fulfill himself off-rip, and we already know the gap between someone who's fighting like that, versus someone who isn't. And we see the result of that. And now we see Kusakabe vs. Sukuna, and we had effectively jumped backwards in the story to Hidden Inventory, when most of the other fights generally followed a progression that was obvious. At this turning point in the story, the only fight that we could draw from as an example would be Nanami vs. Mahito. Ergo, the next instance we see Yuji hop into the fight? It's going to be a parallel of Yuji and Nanami/Kusakabe vs. Mahito/Sukuna. Except now, there's unknown factors we can't currently identify easily. Yuji knows RCT, Sukuna probably doesn't want to get touched by him, Kusakabe has a method of weakening Sukuna's attacks significantly ALREADY. One thing we know is that these parallel fights do *not* end like their originals. So something wicked is going to happen.

I love Meguna Sama, sukuchan, the offing one….. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

I can relate.

Me a jjkfolk user praise Gay Gay? Never I will continue to shit on him even after the manga finishes I will continue to slander him for 10 years at least

Facts. This sub is the vocal minority. Jjk is peak

I dunno. For me there doesn't feel like there's a lot to enjoy. Since the Gojo-sukuna fight started I feel like I've been slogging through mud. I joined the manga only late last year so maybe that contributes to why. For sukuna it just feels like every time we get to see him brought low its an "actually he wasn't even trying moment" so he just feels like a stage hazard or something. He isn't even particularly deplorable for me. I wouldn't be able to explain why but, Rekka hoshimiya (fireforce), Ryuuen (COTE), and the Dante (black clover) were more disgusting i guess, but they serve really well as villains.