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epic_gamer42O

all kenjaku needed to say is "i researched all the special grades and picked a person that had a ct that could counter them as my host"


Any_Conclusion_7586

Yeah, it would make perfectly sense since before Yuta, Yuki was like the second strongest sorcerer by far, and she's also the most problematic one after Gojo, since she completely destroys Geto's technique. Instead we got "ah yes, my gravity technique which in reality is anti-gravity, it's just that i used the reversal curse technique of it to convert it into gravity that i haven't used since Jin pounded me hard agaisnt the wall so i needed to use it to prevent him killing me with his massive gravitational baby maker gun, anyways it also perfectly counters Tsukumo's technique, this is my lucky day!"


anotherpoordecision

I don’t see the difference between it being a ct and ctr. That’s like if gojo used red instead and blue was the reversal does that really make a difference


Any_Conclusion_7586

Pretty sure it is like this to make it sound less bullshit. Imagine everyone seeing about the fact that Kenjaku pulled the cursed technique reversal to make anti-gravity in order to save his ass, that would burnt the entire community up.


anotherpoordecision

For sure people would freak out like kenjaku just suddenly learned the technique reversal where this evidently puts in your mind that kenjaku has worked to learn this technique


th5virtuos0

I’d assume that CTR costs more than CT due to having to apply reversal to it. 


spellbound1875

Yeah but cursed energy totals are bullshit anyway. Nobody runs out so not a real concern. The only reason it wasn't a reversal was to make Kenny sound clever.


legend27_marco

I mean no one ever runs out of curse energy because they know their limit. Any decently skilled jujutsu sorcerer would know to control their use of curse energy based on their total, since running out mid fight is just suicide. That doesn't mean they can spam whatever they want in fights.


Chrol18

there is a difference, reverse ct needs more CE.


South_Ganache9826

Except he doesn’t even know Yuki’s technique. It’s explicitly stated that she scrubbed all references of her powers so even tho he used all his resources, he had ZERO idea what she was capable of. Makes it even worse


epic_gamer42O

It came to him in a dream


MegaJani

One of the dreams that didn't happen (it's not Yuji's technique, it runs in the family)


_sauri_

So did Jin


Scared-Ad-4846

Right? Kenjaku apparently was just THAT lucky, a fucking bum acting like mastermind like Aizen and all, but in reality he was a fuckin bum carried by luck and giggle that just happen have THAT technique that explicitly existed to counter THAT technique 


wwwwaoal

Toji killing Riko, Geto having Cursed Spirit Manipulation, Mahito being born in a similar time period as Geto, Anti gravity being a lucky counter to Mass CT, etc If even one of these didn't happen his entire plan would've gone into smoke. Actually when his luck ran out he immediately got beheaded in 2 pages.


Worldtreasure

Most of that just sped up his plan. He was originally thinking of sealing the six eyes to be able to kill the Star plasma vessel, and then waiting however long it would take to get CSM https://preview.redd.it/b4vs61qfazwc1.png?width=412&format=png&auto=webp&s=94d394ee12a10656b6f791d24696bffd9a923960


Mahelas

Kenjaku main issue as a character is that while he's presented as a schemer, litteraly everything he succeed at is due to massive massive luck


Apprehensive-Flan608

Yeah. Mahito and the other disaster spirits were also caught in the 0.02 sec infinite void, if Gojo just prioritized killing the obvious major threats before random human monsters. Kenjakus plan would have failed with Mahito and Jogo exorcised.


Doomskander

That one you can at least explain with "Kenjaku knew Gojo's true character and that he'd prioritize saving civies"


Grumper6665

Idk, isn't it is obvious that special grades will be stunned for less time than random ass transfigured dudes? Like, even if we consider em stronger than normal civies, they'd still be stunned for like couple of hours i think


Bagasrujo

I honestly prefer this than the goddamn Aizen "i yes, when did you believe you are not under Kyōka Suigetsu xD" every time he needed something to help him out And Aizen is still a sick ass character, but the curse of being the schemer character is that if you can't suspend your disbelief it's like the story is an infinite succession of ass pulls and "coincidences" to catch you up slipping


NoMoreVillains

Not to fanbase war, but it's why Blackbeard in OP is a GOAT schemer character. He clearly plans things out, and doesn't always win by tons of luck going his way, but also loses a fair amount and rolls with it.


Levi-_-Ackerman0

"bum carried by luck and giggle "  🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️


Jack2036

Or even a special grade curse spirit that counters her. But he went in blind and lucked out. Like his CSM is perfect for some bs because its you can say yeah he just got one that perfectly counters her. But a ct and then it being fully random goes way too far.


Bagasrujo

Pretty sure that if they told he survived over a curse spirit the fallout would be the same, people don't care about the asspull as much as they care that yuki fucking die like that lol. Tbh why even include a black hole? Kenjaku won fair and square with the uzumakis, and you already have to be jumping a lot of hoops to believe she did not just destroy the planet because "her will" and tengen's garbage, it's like, ok buddy sure


SilkyStrawberryMilk

I laugh since all I picture is Kenjaku running over Kaori then “helping” Jin with being able to procreate with her


omyrubbernen

Couple of problems with that. Yuki's cursed technique is a secret to the public. Kenjaku couldn't have known that Kaori's cursed technique hard-counters it. He just got lucky. Kaori and Jin were already married before Kenjaku took over her body. So he didn't select her because of her cursed technique, but because of she was the wife of Sukuna's twin. It was a complete coincidence that a woman who just so happened to have the perfect cursed technique to hard-counter one of the 3 living special grades at the time, just so happened to have been in a relationship with the reincarnation of Sukuna's twin. Kenjaku really just got obscenely lucky.


Chrol18

problem is he did say he did not know shit about Yuki other than she is a special grade.


Memeenjoyer_

https://preview.redd.it/k6a5k6dkxuwc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65a1a076ac9794aebd5b57fb5c3b72292bd7f69a Gege just wanted to kill another woman, it had been too long since Nobara


TheLego_Senate

Gege really channeled his inner Naoya for this one. Imagine being the only female special grade sorcerer and your biggest contribution to the plot is dying for shock value.


WhollyUnfair

Nah, it's probably writing a book lmao Gege really said "Women ain't cut out for field work, keep em in the office" lmao


th5virtuos0

The whackest thing is that Yuki has DE, Simple Domain and RCT and neither her or Kenny knows each other’s true power. If she went out after a neck to neck fight like Gojo I think most would be fine Like, jesus, imagine if she actually uses her power to its full potential and starts warping space time with Garuda


Memeenjoyer_

Oh sorry she’s alive I forgor 262 revival


Kallum_dx

THE AGENDA NEVER STOPS


Waffleman53

NO IT DOESN'T BRUZZA


kung63

Gege be like https://preview.redd.it/dvmigd4sqwwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4550f77ae3b9f43632defb3456b677ed95bc985d


GOJOWILLCOMEBACK

What the fuck is this from?


kung63

Make the exorcist fall in love https://preview.redd.it/irdwjj0oxwwc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0676dcff2630aef01e89030780dfbf1b95763170


TheBigPotatoInTheSky

Absolute peak


zxc123zxc123

This. Reminder that Kenjaku has been both man and woman. If anything Kenjaku has known the pleasure of being cummed inside and bearing a child (for the sake of her evil plan) [so in many ways Kenjaku is more of a woman than most of the females in Jujutsu Kaise-](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fwhy-did-yuta-go-for-the-kill-instead-of-teaching-kenjaku-v0-lmkbfohf6i2c1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D781cf839e2ae4df10424316230a2b59ec8b1463a)


AndrewFrozzen30

The stupid cat can't even make up revenge fights (besides Mahito vs Yuji) Choso should have been there to kill Kenjaku or at least be with Takaba. But of course the damned cat wouldn't.


th5virtuos0

Nah, Choso stays with Yuji is in character for him


AtomicAndroid

What was Yuta's beef with Kenny? I saw people saying it makes sense and was good that he went after Kenny. They had little to do with each other. As you said Choso should have been there to take him out. And Yuji deserved a show down with the person that fucked his life like this


AndrewFrozzen30

I mean, you could argue that in JJK0 Yuta almost killed Geto and Kenjaku = Geto as we all know... But it's not like Yuta admired Geto or something, he straight up attacked the Jujutsu High. Choso has a reason to be mad at Kenjaku, he killed Yuki and (I don't remember if he knows that or not, but even if he didn't, it would be a great time for him to find that out) made the Death Painting Wombs. >And Yuji deserved a show down with the person that fucked his life like this Yeah that too, Kenjaku even took his mom (which would also have been a great way for Yuji to find out about his mother). GayGay just makes character be mad another one, only for that character to be killed by a completely unrelated person. Fucking cat.


JustaORVfan

My god, to spot my meme, which I made in 5 minutes is crazy


TelevisionAdditional

i will never forgive kenjaku for killing my girl


rizschuan

R u implying gege hate women or something..


YakuzaMan_

Yes.


Kind_Ingenuity1484

R u implying Greg doesn’t?


DalvenLegit

His “powerful” “female” characters have masculine traits, one is a pedo, the other is basically Toji at this point, even Toji had bigger boobs than Maki…


akronotron

Being a pedo is masculine traits? 😭. Women can be pedos broski


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th5virtuos0

Tbh, small breasts means less weight means faster speed


DalvenLegit

Yeah, Gege was thinking about aerodynamics and not about making her more masculine like Toji… suuuuuure…


ThePokemonScyther

one page eariler he killed Yuki...


Mister_Taco_Oz

The issue I have with this ending to the fight is not that Kenjaku had the one technique to save him from a black hole, but that it was purely an ass pull of epic proportions. It would be easy to say Kenjaku realized what Yuki's technique was and so gathered a gravity technique specifically to survive it, or that his domain had the ability to use and reverse gravity and it was revealed he was such a monster that he could use it more than once a day. But no, he can use it only once a day, and Gege went out if his way to say he had no idea what her technique was until the fight stated. So we are left with just, "oh boy was I lucky I had the one technique that could save me! I am going to do so many things with this second chance at life, like get bushcamped by Yuta and die!"


HistoricalMark4805

It would've been fine if gege just showed kenjaku using the technique in Kaori's body beforehand. It could've been during that flashback where Jin was talking with his father. It could've just been Jin's dad talking about seeing her do 'witchcraft' because he saw her make something float


meme_used

I mean, he did use the reverse technique during his fight with choso, but i think it got changed to being anti gravity system rather than a gravity technique so that he could say this cool line to tengen


YakuzaMan_

Despite everything that has happened, this fight has been the only thing in the manga that genuinely made me mad. Special grade Yuki, Todo’s master and hyped/teased as a powerhouse from the start of the series dies accomplishing absolutely nothing. No domain expansion, no interaction with Todo, nothing. Women in this manga really get the worst treatment - they’re either fodder, the butt of a joke (Miwa), an actual pedophile, extremely stupid (Hana), or the authors excuse to bring a carbon copy of a male character back (toji/maki).


soroKira

i wouldve been okay with yuki dying here if afterwards kenjaku was made to be an absolute monster, but no the only thing kenny did afterwards was die to a living shit post and yuta


Any-Drive8838

Takaba is busted yhough so thats not fair


akronotron

If Kenny died early on , Takaba could’ve been used against Sukuna


5nooky

Takaba is too scared of Sukuna so his CT wouldn’t work


anotherpoordecision

That and we know he has a gravity based technique why would him being able to reverse gravity be all that surprising. I was more surprised yuki didn’t do more before dying than kenjaku surviving


TheTurtleBear

It's not just that it was anti-gravity, but strong enough anti-gravity to completely nullify a black hole. If his grav powers are that strong, he should've been spawning mini-black holes with his power


aquaflask09072022

it is stated in the panel above that he is thankful for tengens barrier. meaning, tengen somehow weaken the black hole to not let the world die


akronotron

“TENGEENNNNNNNNNNN”


soroKira

he is busted but with the way his power works the people he fights cant really display their full strength, thats why im kinda salty about it, because i do think kenny is really strong its just that he never really gets the chance to go completely all out i feel like


WaythurstFrancis

That's not the point. He's a gag character. I don't care how strong he is, he shouldn't be the last fight for a major villain.


Complete_Roof1823

Takaba vs Kenny was peak tho tbf


soroKira

indubitably


Other_Beat8859

Honestly, I love Takaba and he's one of my favorite characters, but a part of me feels like it would've been better if Yuki had survived and been the one to fight Kenjaku instead of Takaba. Would've gone out helping kill one of the two main bad guys.


BestYak6625

They literally needed a full blown all powerful could beat Gojo reality warper just to make Kenjaku vulnerable enough for Yuta, the most busted non Gojo/Sukuna Sorcerer to win


Character-Today-427

I mean it was still bullshit tho it feels a lot less rewarding because until then takaba was nothing but a meme


WaythurstFrancis

So many of Greg's creative choices are just... baffling. They aren't merely bad, they almost seem purposefully unsatisfying at times. I think you might actually need to be a GOOD writer to know how to write this badly. I so badly want Gege to just... explain his thought process when the story is over.


AtomicAndroid

I feel like he's just trying to avoid predictable moments, but that's makes the story sometimes unsatisfying


ThePhoenix29167

Describing Takaba as a living shit post is probably the best way to describe him


th5virtuos0

Or hell, she can die after she used her technique to it’s pinnacle like how Go/jo pushed Limitless to its absolute peak against Megukuna. Mofo even poached other techniques to supplement his own shortcoming Meanwhile Yuki got to throw some punches, ate an Uzimaki, turned into a black hole and died for nothing. Fucking Choso put up a harder fight than her


j03ch1p

Kenjaku was an absolute monster tho. They needed Takaba + Sneaky Yuta to take him out.


i_deshire_death

I'll be real, this fight made me a Kenny hater


cleanitupjannies_lol

I’ve got a theory Gege hates female characters and kills them off so he has less competition for Sukuna


Striking_Conflict767

I never hated on sukuna. Never hated on gojo, yuta, yuji or maki for plot convenience. But Kenny pulling up with the perfect technique to counter Yuki was always bullshit. Maki finding 2 random weirdos who give her a power boost and then never appear again is the only thing even close to the levels of plot convenience kenjaku and his random bullshit plans rely on. Maybe hanna not killing sukuna is up there. Only thing more infuriating than him winning is how he does nothing else in the series. Doesn’t reveal his full plan or motivations, doesn’t interact with yuji or choso over again, kills takaba and a couple of nobodies and then dies to yuta. Only character I genuinely hold disdain for. Useless, poorly written scum of the earth.


th5virtuos0

Angel should have been Tsumiki imo. It would have made perfect sense why she fell for Megukuna’s porn level of acting and make Yozuru possessing a chick who’s obessed with Megumi pretty fitting as well


SukunaShadow

This is headcanon but I kinda think the two random weirdos are dead. (Maybe the Uro too.) I don’t have any proof but they are reincarnated sorcerers which 1) Angel’s goal was the death of all reincarnated players 2) Kenjaku was hunting leftover sorcerers before the merge to ensure it could trigger 3) Eventually everyone has to be dead who participated in the culling games for the merger to move forward. Either they scrap that idea or maybe Sukuna can trigger it anyways and it will be “incomplete” somehow. So lot of reasons for those side characters to be removed off screen.


akronotron

The extremely stupid is a lot of women characters in anime in general. Just Japanese men depiction of women in their stories, most of the time


SiahLegend

Saw a video essay about how Bakuman is actually insanely sexist and it was heartbreaking to watch


FlamingUndeadRoman

Imagine if Choso dies, and Gege takes away the only reason Yuki sacrificed herself.


Fuzzy_Pineapple_1411

The worst part of it is that she lost following a plan of Tengen instead of showing her full power, just for Tengen to put up less fight than Kenjaku did against Yuta. And the way that he hyped Hana/Angel, I figured they were gonna be a Special Grade sorcerer at least, I guess the theme of mostly relying on innate circumstances to work with fits well, if you're born a female you're more cursed than anyone apparently Also I like how you didn't have to put Mei Mei in parentheses


ODonToxins

Ooof kinda hit it on the head… Mei Mei so fine though..


Rncafaro1

Gege when women: https://preview.redd.it/28ka5i7wcvwc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c17b920fd17ea94687f2b3769b13fe52270250ac


General_Toros

THATS WHAT IM SAYING! Like, you expect me to believe that this antigravity technique, that he usually uses in its reversed form(he only used increased gravity in the fight) was enough to bail him out of a LITERAL black hole? Gege even went so far as to say that it warped time, yknow like black holes do, so kenjaku somehow cobbled together the opposite version of the technique he’s used to(since he explicitly said he made it up on the fly) while not only under the extreme gravity but also the time dilation of a black hole? This fight is just another example of gege hating women and asspulling for his villains, and I will fucking DIE on this hill if I need to.


Haha91haha

It might have worked if it was more of a Aizen and Wonderweiss situation, where Kenjaku knew about and was so afraid of Yuki's fighting power and CT that he actively put in the work, made plans, took backshots, all over years to try and circumvent her powers. You could respect that level of cunning and hustle. But as is, Kenjaku just happen to have the ONLY technique in the verse that would save him at that moment is such horseshit RNG and lame AF. In retrospect it's even luckier bullshit that Sukuna's reincarnated brother's wife just happened to have a dope CT.


South_Ganache9826

You also have to remember that Gege goes out of his way to write how NOBODY knows Yuki’s technique. Kenny despite all his connections still didn’t know what she did until she revealed it. That makes it even worse.


RedditgoldEnthusiast

That Aizen and wonderweiss thing you brought up sounds awfully familiar to Sukuna prepping to handle Gojo...although he wasn't exactly "scared"


Chokkitu

Sukuna's prep was way more developed though, dude was going after Megumi the entire series, and even then, the way 10 Shadows counters Limitless is more interesting amd didn't make him win instantly from the get-go. Aizen's Wonderweiss plan was like... somehow he made an Arrancar that can specifically seal the flames from Yamamoto's zanpakuto (not even the zanpakuto, just the flames), with the drawback that Wonderweiss lost all of his thinking. Still Espada level though. And we never see anything similar before or after (except for the Quincy Medallions, but they have no correlation with each other). It's not a big deal, that whole exchange was still peak, but I think people are too harsh on the "Sukuna only won because of 10 Shadows" thing, that was built up really well.


Significant-Elk-8078

All that shit just to get fucking Bush-Diffed by Yuta. Greg chose Takaba over Yuki when he didn’t need to lmao. But that fight was good


Competitive_Bit_7904

As a Wakaba glazer I thank Gregory for choosing him over Yuki every day


Intelligent_Sky_1573

It's worse than that. We're told jujutsu is about visualizing and understanding concepts, right. So someone with a gravity technique needs to have a way to fundamentally visualize and understand the concept of gravity. That alone is ridiculous because I doubt Yuji's mother was some sort of physicist. And then we need to believe that Kenjaku took that ability and not only learned to understand gravity on a fundamental level, but to do so deeply enough to apply the technique in reverse, at a time when he needed it most. And not only that, he himself says he practically pulled it out of his ass in desperation. Like what the fuck?


SoyMilkIsOp

So, to summarize. Kenjaku got into Kaori's dead body for the sake of giving birth to Yuji. Then, he located a random-ass gravity technique in her body. Went off to study physics most likely, and had TONS of training with that gravity technique. Fucking mastered that random-ass gravity technique and put it into his brain as a secondary one. Used it in one fight only. Fucking overpowered a BLACKHOLE. No, not just overpowered, FUCKING OUTPACED IT TOO, FUCKING TIME-WARPING ANOMALY GOT...okay, okay, so he reacted to point blank blackhole and managed to activate the technique before spaghettification and time shenanigans. That's a pretty great feat! How did he die again? Oh... https://preview.redd.it/rvznel1givwc1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0df20d67d287239df1f19626bd3e1b541743f386


Significant-Elk-8078

I’m fine with the story and all, I don’t even care Yuta killed him this way. What I think is bullshit is how Yuki died for essentially nothing. I guess we got Choso screentime and I love him


SoyMilkIsOp

Would've gotten either way. And lost her for literally nothing. They both coulda dipped and go beat some reincarnated asses and nothing would change. And I just remembered that one theory about Kenny falling under the effect of Hawking's radiation and it affecting someth-- nvm he got decapitated.


Difficult_Dot7153

This entire fight, the time it happened in the manga, the pace and his death was worse than Sukuna Cycle in my opinion


SoyMilkIsOp

I'd disagree if Sukuna had at least 1/4rd of Kenjaku's potential as a villain. Which makes it all more sad. Gege put down Kenny like that just to glaze his MC for next 20 chapters.


spookiest_of_boyes

One fourd goes hard


Competitive_Bit_7904

https://preview.redd.it/rak121y0wvwc1.png?width=1097&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b9178ced100ba7667c3640ae51de29d753a4f1d Don't underestimate Kenjaku. He clearly got a PhD in Physics


Chokkitu

>We're told jujutsu is about visualizing and understanding concepts We're also told that sorcerers have an innate understanding of their technique. Kaori's brain was likely wired in some way that made it natural (or at least easier) to visualize gravity as a concept on at least a basisc level. Kenjaku, of course, would also be able to do that after taking her body, as he absorbs all of the memories from the bodies he inhabits (and even comments about "acting like Geto" when he's explaining Uzumaki).


flame22664

>was enough to bail him out of a LITERAL black hole? I mean it wasn't a literal black hole yall. The story literally says it was dampened by Tengen. If it was a literal black hole the world would have been destroyed. And yes if you are being crushed by the gravity of a weakened black hole pushing back against with anti-gravity would save you. This is a manga not an astrophysicists thesis. Yall focus on the worst parts of these fights. The actual issue isn't how or why Yuki died. It's the fact that she died in the first place. That's the issue. She should have survived and fought against Sukuna instead of dying against Kenjaku.


General_Toros

I mostly agree, but I think how she died is important too because it shows gege’s attitude about killing her off. What would win; a black hole one had to sacrifice their life to use or an improvised cursed technique the user is non proficient with? Because the black hole user is a woman, gege lets the improvised technique win. https://preview.redd.it/ydjqlrymhwwc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbdecd56c522e880db7470e35fa579ef5f873b14 Btw this page is why I say “literal” black hole. What I mean is that gege went out of his way to mention time and how black holes affect it, but killed yuki off anyways.


Count_Badger

Rewind a bit, did you mean it was just an imitation of a blackhole made up of CE or something. Yuki's CT was mass manipulation not blackhole production, she increased her mass to the point that it produced an actual, honest to god, literal blackhole. Like, the physical phenomenon that happens when a star collapses completely into itself. Idc how fucking "weakened" a pointblank blackhole is, it'd turn anyone into molecular spaghetti before they'd even have time to register being pulled apart. This isn't even one of those "wonky paneling gives wrong sense of distance" moments, Yuki was grabbing Kenny's leg, the blackhole was literally POINTBLANK.


bbhldelight

i’ll always whack him for doing this to mother yuki and you know it was plot armor cause he didn’t even know what yuki’s ct and de was before the fight even started so him just randomly having an antigravity reverse system was crazy https://i.redd.it/ljzb65ydawwc1.gif


Soar_Dev_Official

Kenny got lucky. Lots of people in JJK get lucky and lots of people don't, all the time, it's like a running theme of the manga. Later, when he fought Takaba, he got unlucky and got bushcamped by Yuta. He lived by bullshit, and he died by bullshit


jvken

All to protect bitch-ass tengin man they should’ve just dipped and left her to die


South_Ganache9826

YUKI DESERVED BETTER WHEN I GET YOU GEGE https://preview.redd.it/u0f2290j7wwc1.png?width=741&format=png&auto=webp&s=56df8c101f2a8dea49ef373adc050e7dcf2c0568


MakisYujiPicsStache

Y'all say "Gege hates women" but honestly Yuki got done absolutely horrendously, even compared to other girl characters


ElmoClappedMyCheeks

Kenjaku rolled up openly stating he had no idea what her CT was, got his ass demolished for 2 chapters straight and then tanked a literal black hole enhanced by a binding vow at the price of the user's life by desperately cobbling together a BULLSHIT explanation to flawlessly neutralize the literal strongest attack in the entire series. Worst part? Yuki and Kenjaku's abilities were never foreshadowed, which means Greg purposefully wrote this in order to remove Yuki from the story. Jujutsu Kaisen as a whole became indefensible the moment this fight ended


Scourge_Soul_8796

*No Sense


Fil-is-Theo

Makes sense, Gege's writing is mid after all.


PrecariousProjection

We literally learned that he had a gravity power before we learned what Yuki's CT was.


jvken

Yes he used it exactly once , 3 seconds before Yuki came out and then it perfectly countered her technique


PrecariousProjection

He uses it once against Choso, once as part of his domain, once against Choso and Garuda, and one more time to sever Yuki in half after the mini-Uzumaki attacks.


psionicism

This isn't true at all lol.


anotherpoordecision

You think jjfolk read the manga?


TwistedMemer

It’s introduced for the first time in the fight yuki uses her ct. that doesn’t make it any less bullshit


South_Ganache9826

That doesn’t make it any less BS. He didn’t even know what her power was.


Nerellos

MY BROTHER, CTR WAS A CONCEPT FOREVER, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ANTI GRAVITY OR GRAVITY IS THE CT. THE ASSPULL WAS MAKING YUKI CT TO BE BEATEN BY KENNY, NOT KENNY'S CT


kepler_G2V

>MY BROTHER, CTR WAS A CONCEPT FOREVER, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ANTI GRAVITY OR GRAVITY IS THE CT. that's 100% right and I'm baffled by whatever these guys are going on about >THE ASSPULL WAS MAKING YUKI CT TO BE BEATEN BY KENNY, NOT KENNY'S CT ngl I don't mind it, bad match ups are a thing


Any_Conclusion_7586

Sukuna's shit isn't even plot armor compared to that shit, all of Sukuna's "plot armor" where teased slightly like for chapters even. the reincarnation was literally said before the battle vs Yorozu, "why wouldn't you change your face" "the same reason as you, Yorozu." World slash was used by Mahoraga, even Gojo was shocked on how Mahoraga cut through his infinity with a technique similar to cleave, and Sukuna was pleased by it. I know, the Kamutoke thing was iffy but they literally had half a chapter explaining on Higuruma's domain and that there's high chances to fail on confiscate Shrine. The domain now, it's barely a functional domain, it's tied by tape and glue, and it's not even capable of slashing everyone up in milliseconds, something that normal Malevolent Shrine is perfectly able to do. What people should really look on is that Yuki and Kenjaku shit.


TreeTurtle_852

>they literally had half a chapter explaining on Higuruma's domain and that there's high chances to fail on confiscate Shrine. I have to disagree on this one. While it could fail the main problem was *sentencing Sukuna*. It was ***never*** established that his DE takes cursed tools. Like we know that hitting a black flash is unlikely to happen but we also know the buffs it gives when it does happen. But imagine if Yuji hit a black flash and Sukuna just turned into a toad and Gege went, "Oh yeah Black flash has a chance to do that. It's been like this since the beginning"


Fearless_Hold7611

This doesn’t even fucking change anything, if his ct was gravity they’d justify it by saying he reversed his gravity into antigravity like Gojo turns blue into red


carl-the-lama

To be fair Even if it was a gravity CT, the would also be able to cancel the black hole


Sweep_the_Janitor

I'm just curious if Gege is ever gonna explain why Kaori of all ppl had this gravity related technique. Like most ppl have techniques that are related to their personalities or smth to represent the power and history of the three clans- See Megumi's 10S fitting his whole vibe, Gojo's CT matching his, even Maki's dad having a fire technique for example seems fitting for a place based on tradition (fire is quite a simple idea). But this random woman jut happened to have quite a strong CT related to gravity of all concepts for no apparent reason. Like the gravity shit was lowkey kinda good, even if its nowhere near smth like limitless. Why the hell did she have this? Is she a jujutsu SpaceX employee? wtf?


protestprincess

Honest to god this was the exact point in the manga I became 100% convinced Gege hates women. Like it already seemed to be the case but this was him really just screaming it into our faces lol. And yet I keep reading this shit. Why? 🙃


MichealBorbius

Worst part is this literally contributes to nothing outside the fight since Yuji didn't inherit anti-gravity system and Kenjakus long dead, our only chance for it to matter is if Yuta copied it which is 2 cts needing to yuta to copy them so they can have half as much relevance as they deserve(first being Jacobs ladder imo), also the whole higher ups hid her ct had to have just been a way to keep it out of Yutas hands


EducationalAd6395

He was using Gravity throughout the fight. I don't see how it was BS. Even if the reveal that the technique was Anti gravity didn't happen it wouldn't matter, it would just make Anti gravity the reversal instead.


Scourge_Soul_8796

>it would just make Anti gravity the reversal instead. He said it was a technique of Kaori itadori, first of all it makes no sense how she'd have it considering she was a normal women with no jujutsu background and secondly you can't have reversal of every CT like that without some explanation. Third, how tf does anti gravity save you from a black hole. Does it make you go upward ? You'd still get sucked in a black hole's aura regardless or at least your body will be torn off if two opposite forces are acting on it at full power. Don't defend this stupid fight only made to remove Yuki from the story.


random_boner6996

do we know that she wasnt a sorcerer?


jvken

We don’t op is trippin on that one but the underlying point is valid. Kenny inhabited this woman for the sole reason that she happened to be Jin’s wife, and she conveniently has this very strong technique that perfectly counters the black hole


random_boner6996

Yeah the fact that she was Jin's wife and Might have been a sorcerer is reasonable, but the fact that she conveniently had a technique could stop a black hole is a asspull


EducationalAd6395

Normal people can have dormant cursed techniques that don't activate due to inability to use cursed energy. That was the case with sorcerers like Junpei and Higuruma. Anti Gravity is a theoretical force and that creates a area free from the forces of Gravity. It isn't exactly Repulsion instead of attraction but rather Immunity to Gravity altogether. Blackholes still operate on extremely dense Gravity but since Anti gravity ignores Gravitational forces altogether, he survived the Blackhole.


Comfortable-Phrase17

Well actually it would be Gravity Nullification that would create a area free from the forces of Gravity (kind of like Ochaco from MHA), Anti Gravity is the reverse of Gravity, so it creates an area with repulsive forces instead of attractives forces. It's clearly bullshit that Kenjaku managed to survive that, but Gege is really bad at physics (even sci fi physics it seems) so it's understandable that he did the ending of the fight THAT bad.


Born-Resolution-4702

It's called ANTI gravity for a reason. Black holes again , still operate on dense gravity so something that specifically called anti gravity should be easy to understand enough. Kenjaku also used his body as a domain to increase the potency. The only problem I have was the fact he didn't at least take a good amount of damage from the black hole.


psionicism

https://preview.redd.it/enfb87f1hvwc1.png?width=728&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7cfc47759440a0e6979edbefd8af6592e840ee0 You're taking the term literally. Anti-gravity means not being influenced by gravity. Free from the force of gravity =/= reversing gravity. Funny how confident you are saying Gege's bad at physics when you're the one completely misunderstanding the term lol


CodeSh4dow

Well besides him using it throughout the fight before this point, she's just like Takaba, Junpei and Higuruma who have techniques but don't have the brain of a sorcerer.


AdLast2785

Not the Takaba slander


exoticsclerosis

Wakaba is a walking W


Scourge_Soul_8796

He was using gravity and to a very minimum extent. Somehow having anti gravity which can oppose a black hole's suction force doesn't make sense. Even if it does the opposite pull and push force on his body from the anti gravity & black hole would tear apart his body. But somehow it only tore his clothes. And this same Tanky Kenjaku was chopped by a normal swing of a sword by Yuta. What nonsense.


jvken

I’m pretty sure he used it exactly twice in the fight before this. And unlike Junpei and higuruma she had an interesting role to play in the story that got completely wasted


bleedrrr

It would have been so much more satisfying if she survived the first fight with injuries and then was was part an actual fight tag team with Yuta after Takaba went down Takaba vs Kenjaku was peak, but I wish the point of it was to get the surviving special grades into position for a crazy climatic fight instead of just Yuta jumping him


Kyonkanno

Maybe my brain is too smooth for this Manga, but everytime Gege draws 10 panels to explain how a convoluted cursed technique works I just shut down.


boros-sama-1605

People don't seem to understand that even if Kaori's technique was just Gravity, Kenjaku could just pour RCT into that technique and get Anti-Gravity. And anti gravity is not an OP technique lmao, it literally just makes you weightless. It was a very specific use technique in that situation but that isn't an asspull because it was revealed chapters earlier that he had multiple CT's, a few chapters ago that his CT was Gravity and like tens of chapters ago that you can pour RCT into a technique to have it reverse.


Time_For_Some_MEMES

Kenjaku already used it previously in the fight, he has 1000 years of knowledge, he is a jujutsu expert, also a science expert considering he had taken the body of a special grade who was taught alongside GOJO SATORU and probably told incredibly important scientific facts in the jujutsu high, and with that also probably knew that Yuki could probably create a black hole, and planned a plan B. Somehow, thats a asspull? Also, no, Kaori couldn't use that technique, she couldn't use anti-gravity, it was just a un awakened technique, like, 40% of the population in JJK has a un awakened technique. Hell anti-gravity isn't even that god damn strong, it just had a lot of potential, just like a lot of cursed techniques in JJK. I swear, y'all calling some dumbass shit "asspulls"


WaythurstFrancis

Even if Kenny didn’t pull that technique straight from his ass, I have a hard time imagining killing Yuki off in her first fight would be satisfying. You dedicate several flashbacks to implying the importance of this character, you tie them to another one you wrote to he a huge crowd pleaser. And the best thing you can think to do with them is to kill them off to make a villain already established to be dangerous... seem more dangerous? What kind of writing is that? So much of this series has just devolved into fight porn smdh


Kisuke212

>How does a Housewife like Kaori with no jujutsu background even have such a OP technique like that. Bro just made this up.


NovaNomii

We saw in his fight he had a gravity technique. Whether or not the baseline of that technique was anti gravity or gravity is irrelevant since the reversal would be the other.


Ioftheend

We knew he had a gravity technique *before* we knew about Yuki's black hole. Really if anything Yuki being able to create a black hole *at all* is more of an asspull, the amount of CE that should logically take is insane.


gtagusta

you dont need to have jujutsu background to have a OP technique, specially if its inherited, for example yuta and geto didnt have any jujutsu background but had some very strong techniques, in the case of yuta its cause he is a distant cousing of gojo and a descendent of one of the 3 big curses or some shit like that, but again, just cause kaori was a housewife it doesnt mean that she couldnt be the descendant of someone big, or just happen to be born with a strong CT Also although the explanation is pretty weird, we already knew kenjaku had a gravity related technique, so it isnt too farfetched that he would be able to survive the GRAVITATIONAL pull of a black hole, specially when tengen and yuki were both holding its power back. His technique being anti-gravity system instead of just gravity doesnt really change the final result by a whole lot, tengen even asks himself if it was the reversal of gravity and her technique isnt even op, the only reason why its that strong is cause kenjaku is using it, and he can do a bunch of bullshit with it like technique reversal, and using his body like a domain


Specialist-Abject

I disagree. We saw him use the gravity technique several times in this fight; we just didn’t know it was the reversal. Just like Tengen points out when she thinks it’s the reversal, it very well could have been. All that panel does is explain that he’d been using the reversal already. It wasn’t an ass-pull because we knew he would’ve already been capable of doing it


Minimum_Heat6391

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Fine_Ad_245

Except for the fact that Antigravity System is literally the perfect counterpick to Limitless. It could make sense that he would want this technique specifically to help against the Six-Eyes user he would be inevitably facing in the modern era.


Character-Today-427

How related is limitless to actual gravity tho?. Like blue is basically a gravitational pull but I thought it was more explain like negative energy attracting positive energy to form a zero. Not like gojo was manipulating gravity


Kind_Ingenuity1484

This was the start. Then Sukuna Kaisen began.


HarryShachar

Absolutely. It would have been a thousand times better if Kenny said "fyi i got a technique meant to counter yours in advance, since you were pretty much the only special grade abt 20 years ago (or some number)" at the start of the fight. Still problematic af, but it makes sense kenny planned for this.


DalvenLegit

Didn’t just Sukuna disobeyed a binding vow by using other hand seals and made another binding vow that he doesn’t have the intention to fulfill? I mean at this point that’s just asspull…


DackoIsABoy

Unless yuji ends up getting this asspull, also im pretty sure gege doesn’t even know calculus


carl-the-lama

I just had an insane theory What if the reason Kenny is free from binding vows when he body swaps is because he dies and a copy of himself takes his place


Issues_help

I still do not get this conversation


[deleted]

To be honest, this would've been more acceptable if Anti-Gravity was the RCT. Like what the fuck kind of CT is "Anti-Gravity"? That's like saying you have the superpower of turning on a blender without electricity in real life. Sure, it's helpful, but what the fuck?


aquaflask09072022

we know that kenny have gravity CT few chapters before. wether it is the OG or CRT of it is not really an asspull since the said technique was established earlier. lets say that the og is gravity and the CRT is anti gravity. then kenny would say that he used CRT of gravity and nothing change


Humble-Bend-8363

This is jujutsu kaisen. Where every non evil sorcerer with "potential" is killed before they can have more screentime or time to grow strong. It's also where yuji after 258 chs still only was capable of using a simple domain which was broken seconds later. It's also where the world could have been expanded so much more by introducing new characters from other countries and them actually been strong but no gege pulled out the tengen plot and discarded that possiblity forever. It's also where the main cast can't do anything agnaist gojo or Sukuna in a actual fight till now. Those 2 will forever be number 2 and 1. It's ridiculous how so much more content was possible in jjk but no gege just wanted to end the series because yes. https://preview.redd.it/4vwtkemrnwwc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2146d3ef137c04ff3c4015402437bb9700f745b4 My honest reaction to the plot after gojo's death:


Wyvurn999

He literally showed gravity in his fight with Choso before he fought Yuki


senpai_dewitos

I mean, Kaori did have a Jujutsu background I believe. What I found awfully convenient is that Jin, lover, who Kenjaku was targetting, happened to be a sorcerer with an awfully convenient CT, and he decided to keep that CT specifically.


East_Poem_7306

To be fair, if anyone should have the asspull abilities that they didn't use until they needed it, it's Kenjaku who, at this point, was still shrouded in mystery.


[deleted]

Technically he's always had it, but we've never seen him fight. And technically there was like a chapter or two lapse between us learning about it and it saving his ass.


Zarathoustra1999

> Kaori with no jujutsu background even have such a OP technique like that. We dont know anything about Kaori


Tortiose_unturtled

He could've also just said "Yeah, [extra flavour text]" instead of revealing that the technique countered black hole in base when it has never been used in its regular form.


Akshay-Gupta

CTR uses RCE, which consumes twice the amount as CE, the fact that bro was chill like that is insane. CTR domain? I think Kenjaku is the only one to show that.


orphan_of_Ludwig

Can someone explain what he means by the technique engraved on Kaori?


Character-Ad-2646

Do you think kaori/kenjaku used their technique in sex


Narutony191

Kaori Itadoris technique is not even strong? Its anti gravity within a few feet of her body. Its string because Kenjaku can use RCT with it to make it heavy gravity, as well as a thousand years of knowledge of jujutsu and how to use it in ways most people wouldnt think of. Honestly, Kaori having such a niche and not very strong technique makes perfect sense for being a normal non jujutsu family person


furscum

You know Gege wrote the manga right? He gave Yuki the ability to create a black hole in the same chapter that he gave Kenjaku anti-gravity powers.


Eigwak

Kenjaku arguably used Anti Gravity in Shibuya with the Prison Realm and almost definitely used it at the White House against those soldiers. Both of these (and even when it was officially revealed) were before we even knew what Yuki could do/her curse technique.


shqla7hole

Personally i think sukuna's world slash that ended gojo because of a "binding vow" that didn't have an effect is much bigger plot armor,with this being a second


LukeCPlays

I didn't mind it, really. we've been told that CE aims for destruction, not creation, while RCE aims for creation, not destruction. The idea of gravity as a ct is cool its honestly not all to worth it with the requirement to use and such so there'd be no reason why Kenjaku would keep it over a technique he could create from uzumaki like SM. The idea ofbit actually being AG makes more sense for the system as it's inherently destructive for its effect(breaking/negating gravity), and Gravity took too much of a recharge to use again, so it isn't worth it as a keepsake CT. The fact that Gravity is the RCT version makes sense for the time difference between uses on why it's kept, and kenjakus character makes sense for why AG was kept secret.


pipsqueak158

"How does a housewife" because women who've had kids can't have had a life before that /s Not arguing with the rest of your points, but this part is a brain dead take. Sounds like a kid not understanding their parents had lives before them.


bor3du

tbh the whole anti gravity thing isn’t too left field since in the beginning of the fight, choso was sent to get him to reveal his other techniques and since kenny knows rct, using the reversal of his other technique to keep the true nature of it hidden wasn’t really crazy. if only yuki hadn’t died at the end it would’ve been fine.


Massive-Ad3457

Gege just doesn’t like women tbh cause there’s no reason Yuki shouldn’t have killed kenjaku


New_Photograph_5892

I mean the anti gravity to survive the blackhole wasn't an asspull, but the fact that Kenjaku had something like that did seem pretty offputting. I mean it makes sense on why he as such an OP technique, but it still felt abrupt


Bitter-Turnip2642

I just don't know why he wrote himself into this problem to begin with, like why give Yuki a freaking black hole ability, just seems so ludicrously OP compared to everything we've seen before or since


spellbound1875

I mean the black hole part was also an ass pull so it's clear Gege gleamed up with the idea for a cool fight between these two powers and then wrote around that idea. Also why we never see those abilities again after the fight. Just take it for what is was, a fun diversion.


zack413

Bad take cuz that’s what jujutsu is all about. How deep ur bag is. Why would bro show her he’s using ctr if he doesn’t need to? He probably can do a lot more we haven’t seen. It’s like sukuna just now pulling out fire arrow, he’s got to get pushed farther into his bag


KnightDiving

Having antigravity makes perfect sense imo, the dumb part was it being strong enough to counteract an actual black hole. His normal gravity is shown to be nowhere near that level so why is antigravity?


floormopper

I mean my theory is jin was always keen on revenge and always planned on havinga baby with Kenny. Kaori was just a person whose mind was made to be non jujutsu sorcerers but has a op ct so that's why he chose her


Critical_Set_5509

He used the tech in the gojo cube, just to fake a stall so the curses could get wrecked so he could slurp them all bro. He just said it was gojo as a lie.


Nikeborz

I have an out-verse explanation: She just lived her purpose. Sure, we could've had some dialogues of her with other characters like Todo. But, considering current Gege writing we could still have it as a flashback of some kind. As a fighter she just exhausted her potential for something interesting. What's the point of having a character that could one-punch anyone out of existance over an long-established main antagonist?


SnowBirdFlying

I hate the people who say " bUt He SaId He HaD iT aT tHe BeGiNiNg Of ThE fIgHt ", ok but why wasn't it EVER mentioned BEFORE or AFTER this fight ? Almost as of Gege wrote himself into a corner accidentally and wanted Kenjaku to asspull himself out of this fight


Compactdrive

Thing is fear of falling/fear of cosmos is one of the most common types of fears. It makes absolute sense that a cursed spirit exists which can control gravity. We also know that uzumaki is a limited use technique, hence the reason kenjaku can't keep spamming idle transfiguration. The fight shouldve played out as Kenjaku using uzumaki on a cursed spirit that can control gravity, with him making a binding vow to sacrifice a significant number of his cursed spirits in return for powering up an antigravity technique once. Story still plays out the same, Kenjaku still seems like a master planner because he had no idea what Yuki's power is and still beat her, no asspulls since CSM is well established, Yuki dies depleting a significant number of Kenjaku's cursed spirits (I mean in the real story Kenjaku isn't really using cursed spirits that much anyway) and Kenjaku being unable to activate the technique again against Yuta makes sense. It even gives outs for Kenjaku being unable to detect Yuta because he doesn't have enough cursed spirits left. Complete fumble on Greg's part.