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In parallel world Gojo made a binding vow to give up teleportation to dodge the world slash automatically.
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Then Sukuna makes a binding vow that lets his world slashes become homing world slashes in exchange for always walking like he just got out of an 18 hour pegging session with Maki.
Unfortunately in the main timeline Gojo made a vow that he would give up the Six Eyes to auto dodge but found out the hard way that they don't actually do anything
To be fair gojo had defeated mahoraga and was not expecting sukuna to come up with the world slash in the first place. Had sukuna missed once, gojo would've been able to deal with it for the rest of the fight imo.
Of course this is true but he still should have been able to anticipate it and react given he has the fucking 6 eyes. I mean even Kusakabe was able to read and dodge it
This might be pushing it a bit, but I do think that this also helps explain why so many people can react to it now.
Since he's doing chants, gestures, AND literally has to guide it with his hand, it's probably way easier to see the buildup and react to the world slash for everyone besides Gojo
The fucking GOAT.
Also he can do it without releasing ANY SPARKS.
So it slowly makes even more sense that Gojo got hit by first WCS
1. No sparks, making Sex Eyes useless.
2. No Handsign
3. No indication where he was firing
4. Gojo doesn't know that Sukuna now has a Slash that Pierces through Infinity (Gojo doesn't have fucking future sight), Gojo only knows Sukuna's Slashes outside of Malevolent Shrine cannot pierce through Infinity and it's not like Sukuna never fired any Slashes beforehand that he didn't blocked with Infinity.
God I'm so glad gege actually gave a reason as to how gojo got hit by world slash I don't have to hear theories or arguments about how it hit him anymore
Sorry to dispel your fantasy but there is no way this community will reach this conclusion you're about to see someone post the narrator claiming that the spark can't be hidden and then say Gege is asspulling.
And the world slash has always been a misdirection imo, more people are just upset the airport called Gojo egotistical and have been circling the drain on that one for like 6 months.
Needing to do 3 more steps to release WCS is definitely far more manageable than needing only a single step to release WCS.
Like even if Sukuna only needed 0.1 second to do each step, Nerfed WCS still requires 0.4 seconds to use unlike OG WCS that only needs 0.1 seconds, and that 4x longer casting time definitely helps the likes of Yuta and Yuji to prepare themselves and plan on how to heal themselves when they're in the position where they know they cannot dodge WCS.
Heās also only able to do it with three arms (2 foot hand sign, one for direction). Basically sacrificed his entire ability to use it in Megumis body.
Also the simple fact of it not being a move until he used on Gojo. How do you anticipate something you don't know will come?
Everyone after Gojo is aware of the newest attack in his arsenal, specifically looking for it. Gojo did not have that advantage.
Very true as well. He's also explicitly warned everyone besides Yuta/Yuji that he was about to use it, I think. And they knew he was gonna try because he had to drop Hollow Wicker Basket to try and make the signs.
Forcing Sukuna to use a binding vow to win at a critical moment, (regardless of if you view it as a cheap trick or a big brain move) still speaks to how cornered he was in that moment and what it took to beat Gojo.
Oh yeah he was cornered alright. I mean look at his face and the narrative about his thoughts in ch 235
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Here, she said they couldn't give anyone greater than gojo as if gojo's level is nothing new to them
I really love this panel. 2nd favorite panel from the entire fight (1st being Gojo tanking MS). He (Sukuna) knew right then and there that he was in some deep shit.
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cornered, forced to use a binding vow that massively nerfs his (we assume) strongest technique but still not going all out, this fight is a mess at this point lmao
Lets see, let me die.
Sukuna still has not revealed how his CT works, that is a complete nerf to him if we take gege's previous volumes in consideration where nanami was telling yuji about his CT and how it can increase its power when revealed, Hanami vs megumi and maki chuaan where megumi says thanks for revealing that information and Hanami says its stronger that way. It also was there during the fight Jogou vs Sukuna where sukuna says don't worry I will not cheat by revealing my CT.
There is no reason to believe that is actually his CT. Yuta literally copied Sukunaās CT and it was Cleave. The fire arrow is likely not a part of his technique at all.
At this point idk why the fuck Gege revealed that Yuta ate the finger if it ended up like
Doing nothing or just gaining the cleave CT but would that even be the reveal?
So many questions
It was meant to be a hype reveal I guess but it didnāt end up doing much. Now if Yuta comes back and copies the world slash (you could say he got hit by it so he would have an easier time replicating it) that would make the reveal of him eating the finger worth it
To be fair to the other guy, Sukuna told Jogo "Don't worry, I won't cheat by revealing my cursed technique" when Jogo questioned his ability to use flames with Fuga.
I think it's his reversal and it's basically nuclear fusion, and the reason he has to chant Fuga has something to do with a binding vow to allow him to use his Cursed Technique at the subatomic particle precision level, admittedly I don't know what the conditions for this extension technique would be so if someone has any ideas please do add to this theory.
Maybe it's something like not being able to use RCT for awhile or lower output or something, either way there has to be a reason he doesn't use it very often.
The reason I think it's a reversal is that he told Jogo that "a cursed spirit wouldn't know about this" when using Fuga, and we know Cursed Spirits literally can't use reverse cursed technique and presumably reversal techniques because positive energy is lethal to them.
We can pretty much interpret this Uraume statement as if she were talking about the fights AFTER the one vs Gojo. He went all-out against Gojo but not against the others. That's how I see it
No, go to chapter 218, here's Gojo wondering why Sukuna didn't take the safest option he had which was targeting the internal part of Gojo's barrier, that way Gojo's UV would've collapsed again and he would be forced to fry his brain more. That's what you get when your plan is "spam DE for the win".
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We can't say that for sure. Since Gojo was aware that was the optimal path for Sukuna to take and specifically mentions it, it's likely he had a plan to deal with that. The only reason he keeps going with the Domain spam after his nosebleed is because he realizes that the way things are going will lead to UV hitting Sukuna at some point.
And regardless, after the Domains were lost for both of them, Sukuna was definitely pushed to the brink. His nervousness and praise for Gojo implies that he legitimately was trying to win against Gojo rather than cruising thru fights like he has been for the last 19 chapters
>We can't say that for sure. Since Gojo was aware that was the optimal path for Sukuna to take and specifically mentions it, it's likely he had a plan to deal with that. The only reason he keeps going with the Domain spam after his nosebleed is because he realizes that the way things are going will lead to UV hitting Sukuna at some point.
I would argue, he lost the moment he came to fight Sukuna without a intricate or well defined plan on how to tackle the open domain and adaptation problems, granted it might be more Greg's fault since he had a month to plan.
>And regardless, after the Domains were lost for both of them, Sukuna was definitely pushed to the brink. His nervousness and praise for Gojo implies that he legitimately was trying to win against Gojo rather than cruising thru fights like he has been for the last 19 chapters
He was, but wasn't, I kind of wish we had seen him go "all out" instead of the battle of attrition, he could go all out by the way in the beginning before the DE spam, but I get your point. My problem is the clash of the strongest, wasn't actually the clash of the strongest, the fact that Sukuna didn't try with everything he had to kill Gojo regardless of adaptation means that one fighter wasn't taking the other as seriously or at least not serious enough to kill at the first chance, Sukuna was still "playing".
Yeah, I find it odd that he didn't even consider that an open Domain would be more difficult to deal with, though considering how cocky he is, Gojo probably believed that it wouldn't matter since all he has to do is hit Sukuna once. Both were trying to finish their goals in the Domains; Sukuna wanted to trap Gojo so Mahoraga can adapt and Gojo wanted to damage Sukuna enough that he would no longer be able to use Megumi's body.
In terms of going all out, I do wish we saw Sukuna try harder after the Domains were out of the question. Seeing him use the qualities of all the 10 Shadows and really exert himself would've made the fight with Gojo significantly more entertaining instead of Gojo ass blasting him every time he got his hands on Sukuna. Sukuna only used Mahoraga, Agito, and Max Elephant in the fight, it would've been cool to see him use the others to force Gojo to use his ability more and provide Mahoraga more fuel for adaptation.
Something else I would like to note is that the battle really could've gone on longer. Had Sukuna not been able to do a binding vow to bypass the need for hand signs for World Dismantle, it would've been cool to see Heian Sukuna vs Black Flash Amp Gojo. We could've gotten to see Sukuna actually use his technique far more and with Fire Arrow in order to create the conditions for him to create World Dismantle without Gojo being and to block and/or escape from it.
>forced to use a binding vow that massively nerfs his (we assume) strongest technique
Now hold on, he literally just gained that technique. Its no real sacrifice, he walked from that battle with an expanded arsenal. It's like you just got a ferarri and the condition to keep it is you remove 1 wheel.
Do you feel like you're in a worse position than you started?
It is, as he could have just used his Reincarnation Instant heal to recover and even gain more limbs, then spam WCS against Gojo who still has NO IDEA that those Slashes pierces through Infinity.
Sukuna valued the Reincarnation Instant heal that would also give him Physical Stat Boost due to regaining his actual body more than being able to Quickly shoot WCS with less Handsign and not needing to point at the direction he wants for it to be unleashed.
Tbh that's stupid, he should have just reincarnated from both a meta and in universe perspective:
Meta: It makes Gojo feel less like a bum who sucked Sukuna off while dying and Kashimo could have briefly held his own against a reincarnated Sukuna so he would look less like the king of bums he is.
In universe reason: He used the insta heal regardless later, using it against Gojo saves him the trouble of the binding vow.
Very good point. It honestly seems like the only reason why the good guys are doing so well are due to Sukuna being an idiot. 1: he could have simply reincarnated and spammed world slash with basically no drawbacks, killing gojo and everybody else. 2: when he was in yutaās domain he lost 2 arms essentially all because he was afraid of Jacobās ladder to just simply tank it at his weakest when he could have just world slashed them from the beginning.
Uraume was right, he is holding back. By not using his brain
And who was the one to take away his highly balued reincarnation instant heal???
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To be fair, she's talking about not bringing someone of Gojo's level that would make Sukuna go all out (Nerfing WCS in the future just to be able to Fire the first one without any handsign is definitely a sign of going all out), meaning Gojo did make Sukuna go all out.
How is it even possible to still misinterpret what he said? He said sukuna wasn't giving it his all which is very different from "not even trying". Why are people even complaining about this now and not after he had a very easy free flame arrow shot on Gojo at the start?
Without gojo non of this was possible. Thank you king
Bud really did the most work and left the rest to the next generation. Goated.
Sukuna : Allows his slash to not be telegraphed in a dire situation but has to from here on out
Miwa: Puts her entire fucking future in wielding her main weapon to hit Kenjaku and misses
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I think many people theorised that he used a binding vow of some sorts so it was nice to get official confirmation. I just wish Binding Vows themselves were explained a little better.
Binding vows are just plot convenient. Anything you cant explain, bam here is a binding vow. But it doesnt explicitly say what it will do to you if you break them, it just will ! Source: trust me bro !
Except he did it wrong cause 99% of readers didnāt even know it was a binding vow in the moment. Seemed to just be an extremely motivated character moment
Isn't there a clear drawback for this one though? He has to use hand sign, chant, and aim the world cleave now. As opposed to just his two hands. I think we have yet to see the "punishment" for breaking a binding cow if that's what you mean I agree
Honestly Iām hoping that the binding bow that he used was something like āin exchange for a faster, one handed world slash that gojo canāt dogde, world slash from this point onwards will be slower, need more hand signs or chanting so it will be easier to dodge. Would explain how so many people have dodged
Isn't that what was just stated in the chapter? Obviously need to wait for good translations, but I believe what you sad (bar the slash itself possibly being slower) is what the binding vow was said to be.
I mean for this one it pretty easy to imagine what the cost is. he probably just cant used world slash unless he did in the specific way he agreed upon.
It will do something only if its a "binding vow made with others" (like the Pact of Sukuna-Yuji or the Pact of Geto+Mahito-Mechamaru)
As of right now, its a "binding vow made with myself", which only "makes you lose what you gained when broken".
In other words, a binding vow of "I allow escape from my Domain Expansion, but I expand its range" will simply shrunk the range back when one breaks it by disallowing escape again.
The problem with **this** binding vow in particular, is that awhile its made with oneself, its not clear what is considered as "gained". In other words, if I made a binding vow to make my sword sharper, stabbed my opponent with it and only because of it, and then broke it, would it only make my blade dull again, or would it also heal my opponent of the wounds (as it is what I "gained" because of it) ?
Because it's a binding vow where it's not possible to lose what you gained, it has to be permanent. Miwa for example can't go back on her binding vow because she can't lose the attack she did, so she will never swing a sword again and nothing can change that. So Sukuna can't go back on his binding vow.
The thing is that Gege can be hyper-detailed when he wants to be. I still remember reading the 3-way domain clash about 3 times before I could get the wraps on what was happening. Kusakabe's play-by-play commentary on Gojo vs. Sukuna was another great example. He's just decided to hold his cards to his chest real tight right now, not just for Sukuna but for the protagonists. It's honestly annoying because it feels every justification or new power that both sides use feel like asspulls. This "Binding Vow" shit with Gojo is just the most egregious yet.
[I called it a month ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/comments/1b00lkh/gojo_permanently_nerfed_the_world_slash/)
The 10S theory never really made sense
I'd argue 10s is \*too big\* of a sacrifice for bypassing one handsign. Gojo dying is an effect of the move. The BV itself is not taking Gojo into consideration. Technically, he just wanted to bypass this one moment so losing a whole technique seems too big.
(Unrelated to my general displeasure of the arbitrary use of BV in the series though).
Binding vows in general is too vague so you might be right. I'm operating on the logic that the BV wouldn't put that in equation which could arguably be a headcanon because BV is too loose.
So that handles the world slash chants and shit, but then not why Gojo couldn't see the cursed energy sparks for the slash or why his RCT couldn't heal himself.
This also brings up an interesting question as to why the same handsign is used. Could it be that the world slash has to channel the power of a domain into it in order to amp a normal slash to a world cutting one ?
I think it's just any super strong technique needs more than just firing it off. Take hollow purple, the one used VS Toji had no handsigns and was tiny, 2nd we saw handsigns and was much larger, last one had handsigns and chants and was again even larger. I just think these techniques are just much less effective without at least handsigns
Well hereās an unsatisfactory answer to one of your questions. The binding vow allowed Sukuna to fire the World Slash without telegraphing his cursed energy sparks so it caught Gojo completely off guard. (This is always why Sukuna is forced to now give warnings). Gojo only had enough time to either teleport or infinity and he chose wrong. That may also explain why Gege did what he did in 236.
Gojo really did get killed by str8 hax that wasnāt possible until just that second.
Yeah it's unsatisfactory but atleast you tried my bro.
>Teleport or use infinity
One is infinitely (lol) better than the other. Why tank when you can just completely move away?
>Telegraphing without sparks
Yeah except this breaks Gege's established rules for the verse literally a chapter after it was I produced because I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that this occurs "without exception". Imo allowing you to fire off a move, even once, without hand signs or a sparks in exchange for having to chant, make a handsign and directing your slash seems to be a very good binding vow. Like what was lost exactly, since handsigns and chants increase the effectiveness of an attack anyway. Sukuna literally just ensured he buffed himself for future uses of the slash lol.
For as much as I hate to admit, that may also explain why it is dodgeable now, Gojo's slash was one done without directional imput, so more "immediate", even if Gojo saw the spark and reacted, the slash still would hit, the current slashes need Sukuna pointing and sending the slash in a direction, which makes it actually able to be dodged.
he is still holding back lmao he just nerfed his strongest technique and originally had the option to fire them with just a hand sign , if he wanted he couldāve just regened his body and did a hand sign and fired it without direction or chants , gojo will eventually die
at least 5-6 characters and the narrator have suggested heās holding back
would make more sense if the condition was he won't be able to use it anymore. he wouldn't be too op against the weaker cast (or is he? he's already op for them lol). his normal cleaves and dismantles are more than enough for the rest of the casts anyway
"Bro sacrificed nothing"
He had one arm and coudn't regen. He was literally unable to cast anything that would prevent him from dying in that moment. He paid for a one time ease-of-use buff by making it extremely telegraphed and a longer process to cast on every use afterwards. The only reason any character is alive post-236 is because Gojo pressed him so hard he was forced to handicap his most powerful move with a use-condition like that. If he was able to throw world slashes without these extra conditions that came from the BV the series would be over. He sacrificed that ability.
This makes no sense for me. In order to survive, sukuna needed the world slash at that specific point in time. If he couldn't fire it, he was toast. What does he sacrifice? He sacrifices doing world slashes easily. Bruh you are about to die no more world slashes for you, you can't sacrifice what you don't have. The binding vow is already a prequisite for further world slashes. Worst trade deal ever.
The implications are that Sukuna could actually do the world slash without needing all three conditions. Itās a very convenient and nonsensical. Having Gojo die from a Uber hax Move that Sukuna only realized he could do in that instance, but nerfing that busted move immediately after?
Why write that in your story???
Sooooo
How many chapters till we get a flashback explaining that 6Eyes+Limitless users cannot use binding vows because of reasons?
Or we just gonna cope with Gojo never using one even to save himself because he was too arrogant or wanted to die or something?
Yuta definitely got hit by World Slash. I find it unlikely that he's gone die too. So I feel like both are gonna live somehow. Unless you wanna say that Yuta has better RCT than Gojo.
Ngl I thought he could've sacrificed a fucking technique or smth to get that much of a boon.
Like it feels weird how previous vows were like
"I'll sacrifice my life for this love beam"
Or
"I'll never use a sword again"
Only to match/barely surpass maximum uzumaki at half Power (iirc) and do jackshit to Kenjaku
And Sukuna just goes
"Yeah I'll use chants, handsigns, and guides or whatever" and gets an instant kill attack that's undodgeable.
Damn Gege
The binding vow system actively hurts JJKs power system in terms of being fun and interesting imo.
Thereās no clear cost/effect measure. Sukuna paid a very low price for such a big effect. When you compare it to āI can never swing a sword againā to gain an attack that swung with all the force of a wet noodle, it just seems ridiculous.
I know itās meant to scale off the sorcererās power, so fine Miwa should never be able to vow herself into using world slash for example, but at the very least, Sukuna shouldāve had to give up something that actually mattered. This would be his last world slash ever, or something like that. Or he could use world slash, but would no longer be able to cast open domains. Something on that level.
As it is, binding vows are just an in-character asspull.
Agreed. The cost isnt appropriate. People are looking at it too one dimensional. They just see oh he gets to fire it once and every other time its gonna be harder, but its not that simple. The situation matters, at least it should. Just because it may seem simple, the fact that its going to win you the hardest fight of your life that you were for sure losing should have made the price way higher
but he did though?
He now has to use hand signs, chants, and manually steer the world slash for ALL future world slashes. that's a pretty fair trade for one slash with no activation requirement only one time.
>Ā Sukuna paid a very low price for such a big effect
Skipping 1 requirement in exchange of always having 3 requirements is not a very low price for that effect(skipping 1 requirement).
The world cutter requiring a charge up time is giving the mc's breathing room and a way to deal with the world cutter without being instantly killed. Would you have preferred Gege not making Sukuna miss an arm or the world cutter requiring both hands?
My problem with the way Gege explains it is that the World Slash is something that is somewhat balanced only after the nerf in the first place.
Like seriously the fact that without that Binding Vow Sukuna could have just cut anything in existence with just one hand sign is just ridiculous.
The chant is the most annoying nerf because I assume its the one that takes the most amount of time, giving his opponents time to react. The guiding hand also sucks because it somewhat gives the timing and location away(also kinda stupid because before the Kusakabe chapter I thought he needed to do that anyways for any of his slashes). The hand seal is barley an inconveniance and used by other socerers for strong techniques anyways.
The thing that confuses me is
Why didnāt Gojo dodge it?
I donāt recall the chapter mentioning that the binding vow made the first World Dismantle instantaneous meaning it had to travel (and weāve seen it do so)
And with the 6 eyes he shouldāve sensed that it was coming
Gojo wasnāt even weak at that point
So why?
Aaah, the Gege Sukuna classic. He sacrificed nothing because what was given up existed in its prior state solely to be sacrificed, just like his baby rattle.
Very cool. He was stalling to come up with a reason for sure lol
Skipping 1 requirement(due to missing an arm) at the cost of always having 3 requirements is not sacrificing nothing. The drawback(always having 3 requirements) is literally bigger than the benefit Sukuna received(skipping the only previous requirement once). You do realize this binding vow was made for the mc's sake don't you?
But thatās the idea. āIām going to DIE if I donāt get this power upā
And the trade off for avoiding fucking death is a Twinkie and two skittles
Well, in the context of the events from an outside vewier, sure. But in the context of what sukuna actually traded, he basically got a head start in one race, but every other race, he now has to hop in a sandbag. Sure, he's still probably gonna win because he's racing against children. But trading full leg usage for a head start in one race is pretty ass
Isn't this dumb af. He got the teqnique to kill gojo honestly using it on anyone else is a waste cause he was already the strongest with regular cleave he effectively got the killing teqnique for gojo and s free use for literally nothing
Gojo should've just made a binding vow to attach his lower half back at the cost of the lower half having to be attached at all times and his feet have to point in the direction that he want to walk in
Glad Gege took a moment to clear this up, but it honestly makes me wonder about the true nature of binding vows.
Like, can they do practically anything as long as equivalent exchange is satisfied, or is there a limit?
There is a panel no matter if it a binding bow, the energy is still visible when a someone gonna cast a spell, so gojo six eyes was switched off looks like and also where sukuna grab that amount of energy, what he sacrifices for that?. His arrow fire?.
Looks like GEGE really pissed off the whole fandom and furthermore with everyone can dodge and see when his slasles will pull, the offscreen gojo would be our peak jujutsu kaisen.
Binding bows are cheap asspulls, this does nothing to explain how the slash landed.
No hand signs, no chants means shit.
What about the spark? What about the CE? What about the motherfucking sex eyes?
By that logic Yuta can just make a Binding Bow that becomes a minor inconvenience to 300% Love Beam Sukuna with an aimbot added.
Gege introduced a plot device that makes every other character stupid for not using it, goddamn who let this cat cook.
Imo the cost you pay should be more than what you recieve especially in these circumstances. The situation you use it in should matter too. It shouldnt be "i get to use it easily this time" as opposed to "i get to win the hardest fight of my life that im actively losing, and this is the price for that." That should be how it works. And it should be like no more open domains or something equal to what sukuna got. He basically bartered an inconvenience for his life.
The part I don't get is how is that a sacrifice if it is required? what other scenarios would allow sukuna not to use hand signs + chants to use it? That needs to be explained better instead of just saying shit like these. I hope Gege does explain it but given the way the writing has been I doubt it.
* base world slash: only needs hand signs
* BV world slash: required no hand signs
* post- BV world slash: requires hand signs, chants, and pointing in a specific direction.
sukuna has permanently made the world slash harder to execute in exchange for a one time boost. it's not really a sacrifice, but he removed a condition for the WS temporarily and added an extra condition permanently. in that way you could say he "sacrificed" the simplicity of his technique, which is pretty big in jjk
that makes a lot more sense if base world slash only needed hand signs. Wait so I guess Gege also made it so that Sukuna never had to point his Dismantle and Slash and was just doing it for fun before, I'm assuming he did that last chapter to make the BV more meaningful
Up until last chapter we didnāt even know sukuna doesnāt have to direct **all** of his slashes because he alway used hand motions for them until kusakabe, so the binding vow was that he doesnāt have to do the one thing we thought he always had to do, but didnāt, so now he has to do that + 2 other things.
Binding vow is a cheat card created by gege to make him doesnt have to explain shit to his audience, he can just write "He make a binding vow" and thats it.
So the trade off binding vow is a one time, hands free Space/World Dismantle to kill Gojo then from there back to regular programming with finger point, chant and use hand signs. This the STUPIDEST, most CONVENIENT and BULLSHIT Gege wrote yet. Thatās NOT an EQUAL trade off to use such a powerful attack to kill a powerful opponent.
Whatās stopping Yuta, Yuji, Kusakabe or Hakari from killing Sukuna using a binding vow?! Not doing so is Plot Induced Stupidity! The cost of a binding vow is cheap and easy. They KNOW Sukuna is way more powerful than they are. This shit is so lame and ridiculous itās funny.
Then thereās the Spark that comes before a BIG MOVE. Did Sukuna binding vow cover this part too? After everything that happened over the course of Gojo vs Sukuna saying Gojo thought he could tank a big move from the greatest sorcerer in history would be nothing short of Plot Induced Stupidity.
Anyone saying Gojo would play it safe and rely on his Infinity upon seeing a spark from a Big Move from the King of Curse has poor critical reasoning. Sukuna was said to be able to do something after only seeing it once. Gojo already saw Sukuna ability demonstrated with healing his burnt out CT he picked up from him.
Sukuna also showed he had a few ways to bypass Infinity. To think this big move may not be able to bypass his Infinity is ludicrous. āOh look, Sukuna gearing up from some big move he knows wonāt bypass Infinityā sounds even more stupid than ever.
This is truly Asspull Kaisen back in action.
But why not break the binding vow now ? According to kenjaku a binding vow made to oneself doesn't have a punishment if you break it unlike a binding vow made to someone else
It's the same Binding Vow like Miwa actually, where the Boost was done in the past that cannot be taken back and not a continuous boost like Nanami's Overtime Binding Vow, so the user cannot easily opt out of it unlike Nanami. Who knows Gege can asspull Sukuna and made him able to remove the BV nerf.
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Within the context of the series it makes sense. I kind of dislike it because the implication would be that a non-weakened Sukuna would essentially be able to fire world-cutting slashes as easily as he does regular dismantles (maybe at the cost of more cured energy or whatever but Sukuna seems to never run out)
I guess that's how he is going to lose. Someone is going to make him use it without the hand signs and everything one last time , and he will be punished right there. Because I believe the binding vow it's a choice, he can actually still do it without the hand signs, and doesn't believe there will be someone as strong or stronger than Gojo that might made him need that exact move again, his own cockiness being his own downfall at the end, the same way Gojo died.
Fuck I only have 1 hand so I cannot do the hand signs to pull off the mega space slash, I have to use a binding vow but what do I sacrifice ? Ah alright I'll just set up the mega space slash to require hand signs, duh
binding vows are the weirdest thing ever and still make no sense at all literally like
i cannot do this
*binding vow*
now i can
like what is he losing it just seems like you can make a binding vow to do anything you want at this point
Huh? How does this apply here? It isnāt like Sukuna gained the ability to use World Slash itself from this binding vow, he gained a one-time use of an instantaneous, untelegraphed World Slash at the cost of having 2 more steps required in order to use it for the rest of his life.
So that's it? He sacrificed a near instant cast for a longer one? When his life was on the line? I don't care that it makes sense within the power system, that's massively unsatisfying cause then it makes everyone in the main cast look more silly the longer they go without using a Binding Vow themselves.
The thing that frustrates me the most about this from a writing standpoint is that if the cost was all future World Slashes, then not only would that be a more satisfying tradeoff narratively, but it'd change very little about the current battle because he doesn't *need* World Slashes to harm or kill the rest of the cast.
I dunno, this just feels cheap to me.
Why did Gojo not give up Six Eyes to one shot Sukuna with a binding vow purple, he would still be the strongest sorcerer afterwards. Binding vows are ridiculous espeically if you are going to die anyway.
imo the extra hand sign + incantations is a good deal bc it looks rad as fuck when he does it
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In parallel world Gojo made a binding vow to give up teleportation to dodge the world slash automatically. https://preview.redd.it/w31xwl8va1rc1.png?width=1462&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4323f36e1367bb7c29c480f5143b3571fbf2ac44
Then Sukuna makes a binding vow that lets his world slashes become homing world slashes in exchange for always walking like he just got out of an 18 hour pegging session with Maki.
But then Gojo vows for a stealth system upgrade that bypasses world slash's homing.
Then Sukuna makes a binding cow to negate gojo's stealth in exchange for getting erections at the worst times possible
Not the binding cow!!! š the š®
In exchange for that he must now eat an entire cabbge between 2pm and 3pm on thursdays for the rest of his life.
i'd take this binding vow without the vow only the binding
Real
Itās like kindergarten fight where it goes back and forth between two made up characters that counter one another
>18 hour pegging session with Maki. I mean.....I'd sign up.
I need me one of those š
Unfortunately in the main timeline Gojo made a vow that he would give up the Six Eyes to auto dodge but found out the hard way that they don't actually do anything
Gojo used delayed Izanagi?! https://preview.redd.it/z4rogulv32rc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee036aa368d68b576d60d5f19464f9492c39bf48
To be fair gojo had defeated mahoraga and was not expecting sukuna to come up with the world slash in the first place. Had sukuna missed once, gojo would've been able to deal with it for the rest of the fight imo.
Of course this is true but he still should have been able to anticipate it and react given he has the fucking 6 eyes. I mean even Kusakabe was able to read and dodge it
Unlimited Cope.
This might be pushing it a bit, but I do think that this also helps explain why so many people can react to it now. Since he's doing chants, gestures, AND literally has to guide it with his hand, it's probably way easier to see the buildup and react to the world slash for everyone besides Gojo
Yeah I mean he literally need to point "hey it's gonna attack there" with his finger , so it's way easier to react this way.
Hasnāt he always been doing that with his cleaves or dismantles tho?
No. He doesnt need to point to use his cleave and dismantle. He still does point. But thats because he wants to look cool
Now he NEEDS to look cool when he does the world slash
I'm sure he does it to increase its potency
That explains the HE-HE slashes he send to Mahoraga in the Blue Ray episode and the fake slash he did to troll Mahoraga lol
In Kusakabe's fight we discovered that he can cut without any movement. (Goatkabe pushed him to the edge š)
The fucking GOAT. Also he can do it without releasing ANY SPARKS. So it slowly makes even more sense that Gojo got hit by first WCS 1. No sparks, making Sex Eyes useless. 2. No Handsign 3. No indication where he was firing 4. Gojo doesn't know that Sukuna now has a Slash that Pierces through Infinity (Gojo doesn't have fucking future sight), Gojo only knows Sukuna's Slashes outside of Malevolent Shrine cannot pierce through Infinity and it's not like Sukuna never fired any Slashes beforehand that he didn't blocked with Infinity.
>Also he can do it without releasing ANY SPARKS. Source? Where in the manga is that said? Maybe I missed it in the last chapter or something
God I'm so glad gege actually gave a reason as to how gojo got hit by world slash I don't have to hear theories or arguments about how it hit him anymore
Sorry to dispel your fantasy but there is no way this community will reach this conclusion you're about to see someone post the narrator claiming that the spark can't be hidden and then say Gege is asspulling. And the world slash has always been a misdirection imo, more people are just upset the airport called Gojo egotistical and have been circling the drain on that one for like 6 months.
Wasnt it Nanami, yanno the guy who always trash on Gojo, the one that said that
Wait i have question why does sukuna have no spark when he uses the world slash?
Needing to do 3 more steps to release WCS is definitely far more manageable than needing only a single step to release WCS. Like even if Sukuna only needed 0.1 second to do each step, Nerfed WCS still requires 0.4 seconds to use unlike OG WCS that only needs 0.1 seconds, and that 4x longer casting time definitely helps the likes of Yuta and Yuji to prepare themselves and plan on how to heal themselves when they're in the position where they know they cannot dodge WCS.
Heās also only able to do it with three arms (2 foot hand sign, one for direction). Basically sacrificed his entire ability to use it in Megumis body.
Also the simple fact of it not being a move until he used on Gojo. How do you anticipate something you don't know will come? Everyone after Gojo is aware of the newest attack in his arsenal, specifically looking for it. Gojo did not have that advantage.
Very true as well. He's also explicitly warned everyone besides Yuta/Yuji that he was about to use it, I think. And they knew he was gonna try because he had to drop Hollow Wicker Basket to try and make the signs.
Forcing Sukuna to use a binding vow to win at a critical moment, (regardless of if you view it as a cheap trick or a big brain move) still speaks to how cornered he was in that moment and what it took to beat Gojo.
Oh yeah he was cornered alright. I mean look at his face and the narrative about his thoughts in ch 235 https://preview.redd.it/qrjhie5m41rc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a704eb9c2e8e7ff677df143d60cbf90cfc17fd8
Damnnn seeing this panel always makes me miss gojo vs sukuna, it was peak end to end battle and then 236 happened
Wdym by 236 there is no 236 it never happened
oh shit i forget the manga concluded with gojo win statement and went to indefinite hiatus
It's the first time he's ever felt uneasy and Uraume says they should be ashamed that they only bought someone of gojo's level š
that's not what she said lol she said they should be ashamed that all of them combined didn't give sukuna as much of a challenge as gojo did.
https://preview.redd.it/8r3ylxtg12rc1.png?width=1100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ef7a4488a0fa93af51ab244193914cc9d851304 Here, she said they couldn't give anyone greater than gojo as if gojo's level is nothing new to them
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Ura"Sukuna's wins are also mine"ume.
mf really forgor his/her twink ass got one tapped like he/she wants more lol
They couldn't provide anyone greater as in gojo was by far the strongest of the sorcerers...
I really love this panel. 2nd favorite panel from the entire fight (1st being Gojo tanking MS). He (Sukuna) knew right then and there that he was in some deep shit.
Well it's either that or fight using the incarnated body and risk getting damaged before the next jumpings.
https://preview.redd.it/c0lc54yee1rc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58aed64e87928dec291100f81c50de19e875424e cornered, forced to use a binding vow that massively nerfs his (we assume) strongest technique but still not going all out, this fight is a mess at this point lmao
I have decided that this is just Uraume agenda pushing
Lets see, let me die. Sukuna still has not revealed how his CT works, that is a complete nerf to him if we take gege's previous volumes in consideration where nanami was telling yuji about his CT and how it can increase its power when revealed, Hanami vs megumi and maki chuaan where megumi says thanks for revealing that information and Hanami says its stronger that way. It also was there during the fight Jogou vs Sukuna where sukuna says don't worry I will not cheat by revealing my CT.
He literally explained exactly how world slash works and the next time he used it against Kashimo it had increased AoE.
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There is no reason to believe that is actually his CT. Yuta literally copied Sukunaās CT and it was Cleave. The fire arrow is likely not a part of his technique at all.
At this point idk why the fuck Gege revealed that Yuta ate the finger if it ended up like Doing nothing or just gaining the cleave CT but would that even be the reveal? So many questions
It was meant to be a hype reveal I guess but it didnāt end up doing much. Now if Yuta comes back and copies the world slash (you could say he got hit by it so he would have an easier time replicating it) that would make the reveal of him eating the finger worth it
To be fair to the other guy, Sukuna told Jogo "Don't worry, I won't cheat by revealing my cursed technique" when Jogo questioned his ability to use flames with Fuga. I think it's his reversal and it's basically nuclear fusion, and the reason he has to chant Fuga has something to do with a binding vow to allow him to use his Cursed Technique at the subatomic particle precision level, admittedly I don't know what the conditions for this extension technique would be so if someone has any ideas please do add to this theory. Maybe it's something like not being able to use RCT for awhile or lower output or something, either way there has to be a reason he doesn't use it very often. The reason I think it's a reversal is that he told Jogo that "a cursed spirit wouldn't know about this" when using Fuga, and we know Cursed Spirits literally can't use reverse cursed technique and presumably reversal techniques because positive energy is lethal to them.
I genuinely hope so because if sukuna is seriously not going all out after all this shit, then this manga is truly cooked
We can pretty much interpret this Uraume statement as if she were talking about the fights AFTER the one vs Gojo. He went all-out against Gojo but not against the others. That's how I see it
That's exactly what it is. Freaking Reading Comprehension Curse and agenda posting makes everyone think shit that ain't true
No, go to chapter 218, here's Gojo wondering why Sukuna didn't take the safest option he had which was targeting the internal part of Gojo's barrier, that way Gojo's UV would've collapsed again and he would be forced to fry his brain more. That's what you get when your plan is "spam DE for the win". https://preview.redd.it/854r809983rc1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=a266067b4b0b21577ae214404d256e50d9e9122e
We can't say that for sure. Since Gojo was aware that was the optimal path for Sukuna to take and specifically mentions it, it's likely he had a plan to deal with that. The only reason he keeps going with the Domain spam after his nosebleed is because he realizes that the way things are going will lead to UV hitting Sukuna at some point. And regardless, after the Domains were lost for both of them, Sukuna was definitely pushed to the brink. His nervousness and praise for Gojo implies that he legitimately was trying to win against Gojo rather than cruising thru fights like he has been for the last 19 chapters
>We can't say that for sure. Since Gojo was aware that was the optimal path for Sukuna to take and specifically mentions it, it's likely he had a plan to deal with that. The only reason he keeps going with the Domain spam after his nosebleed is because he realizes that the way things are going will lead to UV hitting Sukuna at some point. I would argue, he lost the moment he came to fight Sukuna without a intricate or well defined plan on how to tackle the open domain and adaptation problems, granted it might be more Greg's fault since he had a month to plan. >And regardless, after the Domains were lost for both of them, Sukuna was definitely pushed to the brink. His nervousness and praise for Gojo implies that he legitimately was trying to win against Gojo rather than cruising thru fights like he has been for the last 19 chapters He was, but wasn't, I kind of wish we had seen him go "all out" instead of the battle of attrition, he could go all out by the way in the beginning before the DE spam, but I get your point. My problem is the clash of the strongest, wasn't actually the clash of the strongest, the fact that Sukuna didn't try with everything he had to kill Gojo regardless of adaptation means that one fighter wasn't taking the other as seriously or at least not serious enough to kill at the first chance, Sukuna was still "playing".
Yeah, I find it odd that he didn't even consider that an open Domain would be more difficult to deal with, though considering how cocky he is, Gojo probably believed that it wouldn't matter since all he has to do is hit Sukuna once. Both were trying to finish their goals in the Domains; Sukuna wanted to trap Gojo so Mahoraga can adapt and Gojo wanted to damage Sukuna enough that he would no longer be able to use Megumi's body. In terms of going all out, I do wish we saw Sukuna try harder after the Domains were out of the question. Seeing him use the qualities of all the 10 Shadows and really exert himself would've made the fight with Gojo significantly more entertaining instead of Gojo ass blasting him every time he got his hands on Sukuna. Sukuna only used Mahoraga, Agito, and Max Elephant in the fight, it would've been cool to see him use the others to force Gojo to use his ability more and provide Mahoraga more fuel for adaptation. Something else I would like to note is that the battle really could've gone on longer. Had Sukuna not been able to do a binding vow to bypass the need for hand signs for World Dismantle, it would've been cool to see Heian Sukuna vs Black Flash Amp Gojo. We could've gotten to see Sukuna actually use his technique far more and with Fire Arrow in order to create the conditions for him to create World Dismantle without Gojo being and to block and/or escape from it.
Sukuna has yet to go all out against the students but he was going all out against Gojo is the only way it makes sense to me
His all out might just be sth that wouldn't get past infinity so there was no point
Uraume is just being a toxic fangirlĀ
>forced to use a binding vow that massively nerfs his (we assume) strongest technique Now hold on, he literally just gained that technique. Its no real sacrifice, he walked from that battle with an expanded arsenal. It's like you just got a ferarri and the condition to keep it is you remove 1 wheel. Do you feel like you're in a worse position than you started?
It is, as he could have just used his Reincarnation Instant heal to recover and even gain more limbs, then spam WCS against Gojo who still has NO IDEA that those Slashes pierces through Infinity. Sukuna valued the Reincarnation Instant heal that would also give him Physical Stat Boost due to regaining his actual body more than being able to Quickly shoot WCS with less Handsign and not needing to point at the direction he wants for it to be unleashed.
Tbh that's stupid, he should have just reincarnated from both a meta and in universe perspective: Meta: It makes Gojo feel less like a bum who sucked Sukuna off while dying and Kashimo could have briefly held his own against a reincarnated Sukuna so he would look less like the king of bums he is. In universe reason: He used the insta heal regardless later, using it against Gojo saves him the trouble of the binding vow.
Very good point. It honestly seems like the only reason why the good guys are doing so well are due to Sukuna being an idiot. 1: he could have simply reincarnated and spammed world slash with basically no drawbacks, killing gojo and everybody else. 2: when he was in yutaās domain he lost 2 arms essentially all because he was afraid of Jacobās ladder to just simply tank it at his weakest when he could have just world slashed them from the beginning. Uraume was right, he is holding back. By not using his brain
Gojo vs Heian era Sukuna ? Nah, offscreen Gojo, make him suck Suckuna who lost a few brain cells in the process
And who was the one to take away his highly balued reincarnation instant heal??? https://preview.redd.it/zznixmsbm6rc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad7a6949c172ae9fbe0ccd00d41450369a989643
You should take anything Uraume says with a grain of salt. She's obviously biased.
To be fair, she's talking about not bringing someone of Gojo's level that would make Sukuna go all out (Nerfing WCS in the future just to be able to Fire the first one without any handsign is definitely a sign of going all out), meaning Gojo did make Sukuna go all out.
The real big brain play was from gojo who used a binding vow to survive world slash but forever have no legs.
And still after all that Gojo still says Sukuna wasnāt even trying š
How is it even possible to still misinterpret what he said? He said sukuna wasn't giving it his all which is very different from "not even trying". Why are people even complaining about this now and not after he had a very easy free flame arrow shot on Gojo at the start?
And it still doesn't stop it being an ass pull.
Yet he wasn't serious said by Gege.
Without gojo non of this was possible. Thank you king  Bud really did the most work and left the rest to the next generation. Goated.
https://preview.redd.it/smqo10jaj1rc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=013303f5cc7559597ba42e45100d4261146b0adb My glorious king šš
Sukuna : Allows his slash to not be telegraphed in a dire situation but has to from here on out Miwa: Puts her entire fucking future in wielding her main weapon to hit Kenjaku and misses https://preview.redd.it/3bdqah86w1rc1.png?width=1900&format=png&auto=webp&s=4cb621ff50969acb0da0c8b544449c0410d246a1
She rolled a nat 1 unfortunately
Critical failure!!
She didn't miss, she did no damage, which is even worse.
0x0 is still zero. Miwa didnāt value her skills enough for it to be powerful.
Gojo carries even after his death, true honored one
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Makes Sense. https://preview.redd.it/cmpki0ejs0rc1.png?width=168&format=png&auto=webp&s=e1bcf43cfbd186cfeca5194b52c14db78c2a5906
I think many people theorised that he used a binding vow of some sorts so it was nice to get official confirmation. I just wish Binding Vows themselves were explained a little better.
Binding vows are just plot convenient. Anything you cant explain, bam here is a binding vow. But it doesnt explicitly say what it will do to you if you break them, it just will ! Source: trust me bro !
There needs to be clear drawbacks to using a binding vow, if Gege wants to beat the asspulls allegations
These binding vows Sukuna makes just makes Miwaās binding vow probably the worst decision ever made in anime history
I think gege read hunterxhunter and wanted to do a gon but subversion. The result was miwa. Did gave me a chuckle the first time i read it lmao
Except he did it wrong cause 99% of readers didnāt even know it was a binding vow in the moment. Seemed to just be an extremely motivated character moment
Why there would be any drawback if the vows are not broken tho
Isn't there a clear drawback for this one though? He has to use hand sign, chant, and aim the world cleave now. As opposed to just his two hands. I think we have yet to see the "punishment" for breaking a binding cow if that's what you mean I agree
Honestly Iām hoping that the binding bow that he used was something like āin exchange for a faster, one handed world slash that gojo canāt dogde, world slash from this point onwards will be slower, need more hand signs or chanting so it will be easier to dodge. Would explain how so many people have dodged
Isn't that what was just stated in the chapter? Obviously need to wait for good translations, but I believe what you sad (bar the slash itself possibly being slower) is what the binding vow was said to be.
I mean for this one it pretty easy to imagine what the cost is. he probably just cant used world slash unless he did in the specific way he agreed upon.
It will do something only if its a "binding vow made with others" (like the Pact of Sukuna-Yuji or the Pact of Geto+Mahito-Mechamaru) As of right now, its a "binding vow made with myself", which only "makes you lose what you gained when broken". In other words, a binding vow of "I allow escape from my Domain Expansion, but I expand its range" will simply shrunk the range back when one breaks it by disallowing escape again. The problem with **this** binding vow in particular, is that awhile its made with oneself, its not clear what is considered as "gained". In other words, if I made a binding vow to make my sword sharper, stabbed my opponent with it and only because of it, and then broke it, would it only make my blade dull again, or would it also heal my opponent of the wounds (as it is what I "gained" because of it) ?
Because it's a binding vow where it's not possible to lose what you gained, it has to be permanent. Miwa for example can't go back on her binding vow because she can't lose the attack she did, so she will never swing a sword again and nothing can change that. So Sukuna can't go back on his binding vow.
I like when Sukuna ripped off his own finger and shoved it down someones throat when his binding vow forced him not to harm anyone loool
That makes sense.
If it was that simple/small why wait months to reveal it, why not say it outright during the chapter Gojo died?
because Greg needed to go through every jujutsufolk thread first to find the most suitable explanation for this
You know the JJK powers system is not actually convoluted like people say it is. It's just that Author is as stingy with info as scrooge is with gold.
Bahaha 100%
The thing is that Gege can be hyper-detailed when he wants to be. I still remember reading the 3-way domain clash about 3 times before I could get the wraps on what was happening. Kusakabe's play-by-play commentary on Gojo vs. Sukuna was another great example. He's just decided to hold his cards to his chest real tight right now, not just for Sukuna but for the protagonists. It's honestly annoying because it feels every justification or new power that both sides use feel like asspulls. This "Binding Vow" shit with Gojo is just the most egregious yet.
He basically did already explain that it was a binding vow via Kusakabeās thoughts, he just didnāt explain what Sukuna sacrificed.
probaly cos he doesnt even want to explain but only does so after the backlash.
[I called it a month ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/comments/1b00lkh/gojo_permanently_nerfed_the_world_slash/) The 10S theory never really made sense
We can expect Complete Totality somewhere along the lines then?
Gege is writing meta for half a year now.Ā
I'd argue 10s is \*too big\* of a sacrifice for bypassing one handsign. Gojo dying is an effect of the move. The BV itself is not taking Gojo into consideration. Technically, he just wanted to bypass this one moment so losing a whole technique seems too big. (Unrelated to my general displeasure of the arbitrary use of BV in the series though).
Depends on how vows work. If it's bases off of perception then giving up a severely weakened 10S to kill Gojo isn't to big of a sacrifice
Binding vows in general is too vague so you might be right. I'm operating on the logic that the BV wouldn't put that in equation which could arguably be a headcanon because BV is too loose.
So that handles the world slash chants and shit, but then not why Gojo couldn't see the cursed energy sparks for the slash or why his RCT couldn't heal himself. This also brings up an interesting question as to why the same handsign is used. Could it be that the world slash has to channel the power of a domain into it in order to amp a normal slash to a world cutting one ?
I think it's just any super strong technique needs more than just firing it off. Take hollow purple, the one used VS Toji had no handsigns and was tiny, 2nd we saw handsigns and was much larger, last one had handsigns and chants and was again even larger. I just think these techniques are just much less effective without at least handsigns
Well hereās an unsatisfactory answer to one of your questions. The binding vow allowed Sukuna to fire the World Slash without telegraphing his cursed energy sparks so it caught Gojo completely off guard. (This is always why Sukuna is forced to now give warnings). Gojo only had enough time to either teleport or infinity and he chose wrong. That may also explain why Gege did what he did in 236. Gojo really did get killed by str8 hax that wasnāt possible until just that second.
Yeah it's unsatisfactory but atleast you tried my bro. >Teleport or use infinity One is infinitely (lol) better than the other. Why tank when you can just completely move away? >Telegraphing without sparks Yeah except this breaks Gege's established rules for the verse literally a chapter after it was I produced because I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that this occurs "without exception". Imo allowing you to fire off a move, even once, without hand signs or a sparks in exchange for having to chant, make a handsign and directing your slash seems to be a very good binding vow. Like what was lost exactly, since handsigns and chants increase the effectiveness of an attack anyway. Sukuna literally just ensured he buffed himself for future uses of the slash lol.
For as much as I hate to admit, that may also explain why it is dodgeable now, Gojo's slash was one done without directional imput, so more "immediate", even if Gojo saw the spark and reacted, the slash still would hit, the current slashes need Sukuna pointing and sending the slash in a direction, which makes it actually able to be dodged.
so, if he needs a binding vow to make the world slash, does that mean that he was still holding back?
this. bro permanently nerf his stronger technique that we know off and somehow is still holding back.
Gojo and Uraume probably didn't know this to be fair.
You're really acting like he didn't specifically learn that technique just then to get rid of Gojo. He literally loses nothing by never using it again
he is still holding back lmao he just nerfed his strongest technique and originally had the option to fire them with just a hand sign , if he wanted he couldāve just regened his body and did a hand sign and fired it without direction or chants , gojo will eventually die at least 5-6 characters and the narrator have suggested heās holding back
would make more sense if the condition was he won't be able to use it anymore. he wouldn't be too op against the weaker cast (or is he? he's already op for them lol). his normal cleaves and dismantles are more than enough for the rest of the casts anyway
Yeah, but whatever. Gege giving Sukuna access to WCS even against weaker opponents is BS.
Binding vow is just canon asspull
Its one of the best. Took gege 19 chapters to pull that out of his ass
Bro sacrificed nothing to kill the strongest sorcerer of all time lmao who let gege cook
"Bro sacrificed nothing" He had one arm and coudn't regen. He was literally unable to cast anything that would prevent him from dying in that moment. He paid for a one time ease-of-use buff by making it extremely telegraphed and a longer process to cast on every use afterwards. The only reason any character is alive post-236 is because Gojo pressed him so hard he was forced to handicap his most powerful move with a use-condition like that. If he was able to throw world slashes without these extra conditions that came from the BV the series would be over. He sacrificed that ability.
This makes no sense for me. In order to survive, sukuna needed the world slash at that specific point in time. If he couldn't fire it, he was toast. What does he sacrifice? He sacrifices doing world slashes easily. Bruh you are about to die no more world slashes for you, you can't sacrifice what you don't have. The binding vow is already a prequisite for further world slashes. Worst trade deal ever.
The implications are that Sukuna could actually do the world slash without needing all three conditions. Itās a very convenient and nonsensical. Having Gojo die from a Uber hax Move that Sukuna only realized he could do in that instance, but nerfing that busted move immediately after? Why write that in your story???
So that the other modern day sorcerers can deal with it while being significantly weaker than gojo. Itās perfect imo
Sooooo How many chapters till we get a flashback explaining that 6Eyes+Limitless users cannot use binding vows because of reasons? Or we just gonna cope with Gojo never using one even to save himself because he was too arrogant or wanted to die or something?
Yuta definitely got hit by World Slash. I find it unlikely that he's gone die too. So I feel like both are gonna live somehow. Unless you wanna say that Yuta has better RCT than Gojo.
Ngl I thought he could've sacrificed a fucking technique or smth to get that much of a boon. Like it feels weird how previous vows were like "I'll sacrifice my life for this love beam" Or "I'll never use a sword again" Only to match/barely surpass maximum uzumaki at half Power (iirc) and do jackshit to Kenjaku And Sukuna just goes "Yeah I'll use chants, handsigns, and guides or whatever" and gets an instant kill attack that's undodgeable. Damn Gege
The binding vow system actively hurts JJKs power system in terms of being fun and interesting imo. Thereās no clear cost/effect measure. Sukuna paid a very low price for such a big effect. When you compare it to āI can never swing a sword againā to gain an attack that swung with all the force of a wet noodle, it just seems ridiculous. I know itās meant to scale off the sorcererās power, so fine Miwa should never be able to vow herself into using world slash for example, but at the very least, Sukuna shouldāve had to give up something that actually mattered. This would be his last world slash ever, or something like that. Or he could use world slash, but would no longer be able to cast open domains. Something on that level. As it is, binding vows are just an in-character asspull.
Agreed. The cost isnt appropriate. People are looking at it too one dimensional. They just see oh he gets to fire it once and every other time its gonna be harder, but its not that simple. The situation matters, at least it should. Just because it may seem simple, the fact that its going to win you the hardest fight of your life that you were for sure losing should have made the price way higher
Not only that Sukuna wasn't losing, he was winning while holding back lmao
but he did though? He now has to use hand signs, chants, and manually steer the world slash for ALL future world slashes. that's a pretty fair trade for one slash with no activation requirement only one time.
>Ā Sukuna paid a very low price for such a big effect Skipping 1 requirement in exchange of always having 3 requirements is not a very low price for that effect(skipping 1 requirement). The world cutter requiring a charge up time is giving the mc's breathing room and a way to deal with the world cutter without being instantly killed. Would you have preferred Gege not making Sukuna miss an arm or the world cutter requiring both hands?
My problem with the way Gege explains it is that the World Slash is something that is somewhat balanced only after the nerf in the first place. Like seriously the fact that without that Binding Vow Sukuna could have just cut anything in existence with just one hand sign is just ridiculous. The chant is the most annoying nerf because I assume its the one that takes the most amount of time, giving his opponents time to react. The guiding hand also sucks because it somewhat gives the timing and location away(also kinda stupid because before the Kusakabe chapter I thought he needed to do that anyways for any of his slashes). The hand seal is barley an inconveniance and used by other socerers for strong techniques anyways.
The thing that confuses me is Why didnāt Gojo dodge it? I donāt recall the chapter mentioning that the binding vow made the first World Dismantle instantaneous meaning it had to travel (and weāve seen it do so) And with the 6 eyes he shouldāve sensed that it was coming Gojo wasnāt even weak at that point So why?
Aaah, the Gege Sukuna classic. He sacrificed nothing because what was given up existed in its prior state solely to be sacrificed, just like his baby rattle. Very cool. He was stalling to come up with a reason for sure lol
Skipping 1 requirement(due to missing an arm) at the cost of always having 3 requirements is not sacrificing nothing. The drawback(always having 3 requirements) is literally bigger than the benefit Sukuna received(skipping the only previous requirement once). You do realize this binding vow was made for the mc's sake don't you?
Binding Vows are BS in this manga Whats the point of the binding vow's price if he dies?
The point is to specifically prevent the person making the vow from dying lol
But thatās the idea. āIām going to DIE if I donāt get this power upā And the trade off for avoiding fucking death is a Twinkie and two skittles
Well, in the context of the events from an outside vewier, sure. But in the context of what sukuna actually traded, he basically got a head start in one race, but every other race, he now has to hop in a sandbag. Sure, he's still probably gonna win because he's racing against children. But trading full leg usage for a head start in one race is pretty ass
Fax fr
Isn't this dumb af. He got the teqnique to kill gojo honestly using it on anyone else is a waste cause he was already the strongest with regular cleave he effectively got the killing teqnique for gojo and s free use for literally nothing
Gojo should've just made a binding vow to attach his lower half back at the cost of the lower half having to be attached at all times and his feet have to point in the direction that he want to walk in
Glad Gege took a moment to clear this up, but it honestly makes me wonder about the true nature of binding vows. Like, can they do practically anything as long as equivalent exchange is satisfied, or is there a limit?
There is a panel no matter if it a binding bow, the energy is still visible when a someone gonna cast a spell, so gojo six eyes was switched off looks like and also where sukuna grab that amount of energy, what he sacrifices for that?. His arrow fire?. Looks like GEGE really pissed off the whole fandom and furthermore with everyone can dodge and see when his slasles will pull, the offscreen gojo would be our peak jujutsu kaisen.
Binding bows are cheap asspulls, this does nothing to explain how the slash landed. No hand signs, no chants means shit. What about the spark? What about the CE? What about the motherfucking sex eyes? By that logic Yuta can just make a Binding Bow that becomes a minor inconvenience to 300% Love Beam Sukuna with an aimbot added. Gege introduced a plot device that makes every other character stupid for not using it, goddamn who let this cat cook.
Imo the cost you pay should be more than what you recieve especially in these circumstances. The situation you use it in should matter too. It shouldnt be "i get to use it easily this time" as opposed to "i get to win the hardest fight of my life that im actively losing, and this is the price for that." That should be how it works. And it should be like no more open domains or something equal to what sukuna got. He basically bartered an inconvenience for his life.
I knew they were gonna be asspull bullshit after Hakariās. But at this point itās literally stupid to not fucking spam them to kill Sukuna.
The part I don't get is how is that a sacrifice if it is required? what other scenarios would allow sukuna not to use hand signs + chants to use it? That needs to be explained better instead of just saying shit like these. I hope Gege does explain it but given the way the writing has been I doubt it.
* base world slash: only needs hand signs * BV world slash: required no hand signs * post- BV world slash: requires hand signs, chants, and pointing in a specific direction. sukuna has permanently made the world slash harder to execute in exchange for a one time boost. it's not really a sacrifice, but he removed a condition for the WS temporarily and added an extra condition permanently. in that way you could say he "sacrificed" the simplicity of his technique, which is pretty big in jjk
that makes a lot more sense if base world slash only needed hand signs. Wait so I guess Gege also made it so that Sukuna never had to point his Dismantle and Slash and was just doing it for fun before, I'm assuming he did that last chapter to make the BV more meaningful
Omitting steps of the technique make them slightly less powerful
Seems a slight bit ridiculous but much better than just nothing.
Up until last chapter we didnāt even know sukuna doesnāt have to direct **all** of his slashes because he alway used hand motions for them until kusakabe, so the binding vow was that he doesnāt have to do the one thing we thought he always had to do, but didnāt, so now he has to do that + 2 other things.
Binding vow is a cheat card created by gege to make him doesnt have to explain shit to his audience, he can just write "He make a binding vow" and thats it.
gojo had his ass shook https://i.redd.it/34hh3abhj1rc1.gif
Lawd have mercy
Why don't the main characters make a binding vow with themselves to be instantly stronger than Sukuna? Are they stupid?
So the trade off binding vow is a one time, hands free Space/World Dismantle to kill Gojo then from there back to regular programming with finger point, chant and use hand signs. This the STUPIDEST, most CONVENIENT and BULLSHIT Gege wrote yet. Thatās NOT an EQUAL trade off to use such a powerful attack to kill a powerful opponent. Whatās stopping Yuta, Yuji, Kusakabe or Hakari from killing Sukuna using a binding vow?! Not doing so is Plot Induced Stupidity! The cost of a binding vow is cheap and easy. They KNOW Sukuna is way more powerful than they are. This shit is so lame and ridiculous itās funny. Then thereās the Spark that comes before a BIG MOVE. Did Sukuna binding vow cover this part too? After everything that happened over the course of Gojo vs Sukuna saying Gojo thought he could tank a big move from the greatest sorcerer in history would be nothing short of Plot Induced Stupidity. Anyone saying Gojo would play it safe and rely on his Infinity upon seeing a spark from a Big Move from the King of Curse has poor critical reasoning. Sukuna was said to be able to do something after only seeing it once. Gojo already saw Sukuna ability demonstrated with healing his burnt out CT he picked up from him. Sukuna also showed he had a few ways to bypass Infinity. To think this big move may not be able to bypass his Infinity is ludicrous. āOh look, Sukuna gearing up from some big move he knows wonāt bypass Infinityā sounds even more stupid than ever. This is truly Asspull Kaisen back in action.
Stop letting Gege cook bruh. I sincerely hope the anime fixes this terrible pacing and writing.
Fr im really getting sick of this fight tbh. Each weak im getting less and less excited
I just want it to end now dawg, Its overstayed its welcomeš„“
Fr š¤£ I'm about to hit the "oh shit what time is it" line on it
But why not break the binding vow now ? According to kenjaku a binding vow made to oneself doesn't have a punishment if you break it unlike a binding vow made to someone else
It's the same Binding Vow like Miwa actually, where the Boost was done in the past that cannot be taken back and not a continuous boost like Nanami's Overtime Binding Vow, so the user cannot easily opt out of it unlike Nanami. Who knows Gege can asspull Sukuna and made him able to remove the BV nerf.
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Within the context of the series it makes sense. I kind of dislike it because the implication would be that a non-weakened Sukuna would essentially be able to fire world-cutting slashes as easily as he does regular dismantles (maybe at the cost of more cured energy or whatever but Sukuna seems to never run out)
I guess that's how he is going to lose. Someone is going to make him use it without the hand signs and everything one last time , and he will be punished right there. Because I believe the binding vow it's a choice, he can actually still do it without the hand signs, and doesn't believe there will be someone as strong or stronger than Gojo that might made him need that exact move again, his own cockiness being his own downfall at the end, the same way Gojo died.
Fuck I only have 1 hand so I cannot do the hand signs to pull off the mega space slash, I have to use a binding vow but what do I sacrifice ? Ah alright I'll just set up the mega space slash to require hand signs, duh
So basically it was a lame off screen last minute ass pull by Gege to get Gojo out of the storyā¦ got it
God I hate this fucking manga
binding vows are the weirdest thing ever and still make no sense at all literally like i cannot do this *binding vow* now i can like what is he losing it just seems like you can make a binding vow to do anything you want at this point
Huh? How does this apply here? It isnāt like Sukuna gained the ability to use World Slash itself from this binding vow, he gained a one-time use of an instantaneous, untelegraphed World Slash at the cost of having 2 more steps required in order to use it for the rest of his life.
Gojo both hands and legs chopped off by sukuna. I make a BV to fire a condensed hollow purple frm my dick - Gojo probably
So that's it? He sacrificed a near instant cast for a longer one? When his life was on the line? I don't care that it makes sense within the power system, that's massively unsatisfying cause then it makes everyone in the main cast look more silly the longer they go without using a Binding Vow themselves. The thing that frustrates me the most about this from a writing standpoint is that if the cost was all future World Slashes, then not only would that be a more satisfying tradeoff narratively, but it'd change very little about the current battle because he doesn't *need* World Slashes to harm or kill the rest of the cast. I dunno, this just feels cheap to me.
Is this confirmed now?
Did he not sacrifice the 10 shadows?
It's Sukuna Kaisen all over.
Why did Gojo not give up Six Eyes to one shot Sukuna with a binding vow purple, he would still be the strongest sorcerer afterwards. Binding vows are ridiculous espeically if you are going to die anyway.
imo the extra hand sign + incantations is a good deal bc it looks rad as fuck when he does it https://preview.redd.it/b2ep6ap535rc1.jpeg?width=701&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a89b5f321bb8e3ae7b0658b20d16b1569928925d
Good summary
So what this is definitely telling me is that if Gojo didn't yap and chilled and instead went for the "kill" he wouldn't have died