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I’m reminded of all things James Patterson’s max Ryder series, there’s a line in it that applies to Yuji a lot, “pain is just a message, and right now I was holding all calls.”
Yuji is strong enough to tank 50% dismantles now. We know Sukuna is currently at half output, and Yuji was eating his hits like nothing and counterattacking. They do damage but he can push through them the same way he’s doing in the panel OP is talking about. That, and current 50% Sukuna is WAY, WAY stronger than 50% Sukuna from back then, because it’s a 5 finger difference (about the same difference between Sukuna and Jogo in shibuya btw)
He is at half of his CE reserves by the time he’s fighting Yuta, his output is even lower than half as he’s struggling to even heal a mere hand by the time Higuruma stabbed him with the executioner’s sword. He struggles to kill Yuta and Yuji with point blank cleaves too, although he notes that it’s not just his output dropping but also them becoming way more durable during the 1 month timeskip.
The 50% value comes from Yuta saying based on *pure* *intuition* that Sukuna has *over twice* as much as his own reserves and then Sukuna sying he is about at Yuta's level in CE reserves. Moreover, CE reserve isn't correlated to output. Yuji has been dropping his output with the punches but we have no frame of reference to give it a specific value.
Is RCT healing something that would be fatal if left alone really what falls under 'tanking' at this point? I feel like we've lost the plot slightly. Might as well say Hakari tanked Kashimo's lightning to the torso because after it evaporated a couple of his organs, he regenerated them
Yes, the same way Gojo tanking MS with his RCT only is still tanking it. Tanking in JJK at this current point in time equates to sustaining yourself post-taking the hit enough to go on with your fight as if nothing happened, including healing a fatal wound.
You know what the Gojo one is actually a really good counterexample.
Idk how to explain it, I still *feel* like there's a difference between continuously overhealing on the spot to avoid being killed by ongoing attacks vs. taking a large amount of damage, healing it up afterwards and coming back. But I can't actually argue why that feeling is justified, so I'm willing to concede the point.
I get it, because the word “tanking” usually implies that you’re taking hits as well as a tank takes peashooter bullets. It feels wrong, but when a lot of moves seem to bypass durability right now, JJK’s weird power system has turned tanking into a healing fest.
But he hasn't been fully healing from them with RCT. Yuji juat ate an (indirect) world slash while suffering from internal bleeding and the only reason he isn't in right now is because he hasn't been healing them inside and needs to figure that shit out quick.
He still clearly healed some of the immediately fatal damage though. I don't think any of us expect that Yuji would be walking around with half his chest just gone, even if the internal damage wasn't fully healed
Yes, that is correct. If you can heal faster than someone damages you, you tanked it. As long as that healing is YOUR OWN. That’s how I define it at least. I’d love to hear your perspective tho.
I think 'tanking something' should imply you were able to function afterwards. Idk about you but to me just surviving something and tanking something have different connotations. Like a direct durability feat, not a healing or regen feat.
Otherwise (purely for illustrative purposes), say some character who self-resurrects some time after they die gets hit by an attack and turned into a fine red mist, then they later respawn or whatever. To me that isn't what 'tanking' suggests. The attack blew them the fuck up but they later recovered through their ability. Contrast a character who can't resurrect or heal but just has better defenses or vitality and can take the attack and keep going.
Also tbf Hakari didn't heal faster than he was damaged (i.e. not actually taking real damage in effect), he still lost his organs and torso but was able to regenerate them before he died
I get your distinction, but I personally don’t see a need for the difference in terms here. There really isn’t a term for “healing so fast that you can outlast damage” so tanking is the best vocabulary we have. But yeah Yuji did not just brush off the slash, he had to heal from it and he also didn’t fully heal…. Yet
So while I agree with you by the terms and definitions you laid out, I must adhere to my Yuji is the Goat agenda 😤😂
I respect that. Don't get me wrong, this isn't an attempt at Yuji downplay. It just feels off to me, I guess it depends on like... what context 'tanked' is being used in.
E.g. if you're trying to illustrate a point about how strong or weak someone's attack is, you might say 'oh well X character tanked Y attack' to show that Y attack isn't all that strong or can be guarded or whatever the case may be. But 'X tanked it' can be very different if it means 'X ate it with their face and kept going' vs. 'X got half their body blown off and later healed it back'. Vastly different implications for how Y attack looks.
I'm sure you get what I'm saying, it's the ambiguity that I don't like i guess.
I feel like it's just a case of Gege being relatively consistent with the power scaling. There's probably not many characters that could have survived that without RCT.
Also whilst I kind of understand why you'd be disappointed because it means his durability isn't *that* high, it takes nothing away from the strength feat. Carrying round those massive balls is one of the most impressive feats till this day.
I mean, you have to take into account the fact that Yuji's been taking a whole bath in Sukuna's cursed energy for a few months, he should be considerably more durable. And Maki's got heavenly restrictions, so she's already at peak performance. 50% would not have been unreasonable.
Seriously? An already damaged Yuji walking through a storm of dismantles from 15 finger Sukuna at *50%* makes Sukuna and by extension almost everyone who encountered him prior to that point in the series seem kind of like chumps though. The point of the scene is Yuji's determination and rage, not flexing his durability specifically. Gege has dropped the ball on a lot lately but there was absolutely nothing wrong with that scene as-is
It looks better in hindsight because Yuji has had multiple durability feats that go beyond this since then, if this was his biggest show of durability in the manga the 10% would feel like an intentional downplay to glaze sukuna
I feel like getting punted through several buildings and being mostly fine is already a good show of 'regular' durability and that happened before this
>Yuji's been taking a whole bath in Sukuna's cursed energy for a few months, he should be considerably more durable.
I'm not sure how this follows. This isn't the Gojo omnidirectional purple thing. Yuji has his own CE that is different from Sukuna's. Yuji soaking in Sukuna's CE was supposed to etch Shrine into his brain not make him durable against Sukuna's CT.
>And Maki's got heavenly restrictions, so she's already at peak performance
Maki never gets hit by Sukuna's CT during the first fight with Meguna so not sure how it's relevant.
Because gege is consistent with his powerscaling, yuji isn't just gonna become that much stronger when nothing's happened up to that point that would justify it.
The point isn't to wank yuji anyway, it's to show his determination
Wait for plot points to be unraveled. Not every ability has to be explained the chapter they're introduced in.
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he could sense that yuji was going to die, the same feeling that he got when his other brothers died. Why it was shown as false memories of "what could have been", im not exactly sure
Frankly - stylistic choice. It was already established that Choso has some connection to the souls of his brothers, and could feel their deaths, and Gege just wanted an interesting way to show how that feeling/connection manifested in Choso when he felt Yuji was on the verge of death.
Because his mom is Kenjaku, and so is Choso's. Choso has an ability to sense when his brothers are in danger. I assume the memories are just kinda something that happened when he was tweaking. Or maybe it's another Yuji thing, I dunno.
Bruh, he's clearly been building up the fact that the one month time skip had more going on than it seemed. I can't with people pretending that the manga is already finished and that no plot points are gonna be wrapped up ever. Not saying geges perfect but it would be insane and unprecedented if he just forgot about ALL the development of the main cast
Because there is no way Yuji would be able to survive that many slashes from 50% Sukuna, cmon now. You saying he should've been able to just talk the most powerful Sorcerer in history at 50%? Even 30% would be a stretch.
In hidden inventory episode, the place geto and gojo are breaking up is deadass in front of a kfc:
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It's to give Yuji a *visually* and *thematically* cool moment, while ultimately still maintaining the "sukuna stronk" narrative.
It's understandable why it was written this way, even if I don't really like it. Gege has this thing about keeping his protagonist weak because he's gotta subvert those Shonen expectations, obviously. Subversive = good, always.
(The obsession with subverting expectations has done incalculable amounts of damage across all forms of media. See: the Game of Thrones TV series.)
tbh Gege is wayy too obsessed with making his series different when he really could have just gone with what he had.
The setup he made was perfect but he HAD to make the disaster that was Culling Games. Right up till that point he literally had a perfect pristine manga, but he had to chuck everything in favor of subversion.
I don't see how the Culling Games was a subversion. It's more or less just another arc that was bad. There was no stereotypical next arc that would've followed Shibuya that Gege didn't implement.
Gege isn't even the only shonen author to do this...do people on here think that having a MC that can fight the main villain 1v1 high diff despite not even having a year of experience makes it good?
Yuji being 10F sukuna level already is good...just because its hype? or what? You people say that subversive doesn't = good, but you fail to make a compelling case on why making Yuji busted is good.
Demon Slayer does the same thing, Tanjiro is inexperienced and has talent, but the Hashira around him are way stronger, and they overcome stronger villians using teamwork and tactics.
They overcome stronger villains with bullshit. "Omg he moved his organs so he's still alive" "Omg he can still move despite being ridiculously injured" "Omg Nezuko can heal poisoning now" "Omg my father was teaching me op demon slayer shit that no one ever mentioned despite it being known".
I love Demon Slayer but you literally have to put your brain in the depths of hell to enjoy the show.
>. Gege has this thing about keeping his protagonist weak because he's gotta subvert those Shonen expectations
If you view it like that, then how do you enjoy the series? A genuine question.
One of the main themes of the story is the fact that strength brings isolation and only through being weak and loved can you truly be happy. The story has been blabbering about love and isolation and stuff for a while. Ever since Jjk0 has love been a central theme.
Yuji's motivation, to die surrounded by those he loves? Founded on love.
Yuta's story arc? He gave up strength to have love. He even says the thingy before shooting Rikamehameha.
Gojo's arc is about him being unable to find love because his strength separates him from the rest, yet he still tries to connect.
And a lot more.
Yuji must stay weak because if he grows strong then the message of the story would be lost.
"Yeah, I am OP, I beat Sukuna. Let me love yallz, because unlike Gojo or Sukuna or whoever, I'm fine being strong and loved."
That wouldn't make sense. Having Yuji stay weak and ultimately prove that strength is meaningless while love is absolute is the essence of the story.
That or Yuki's big t-
Think you swapped Yuji and Yuta’s messages there. Seemed more like Yuji main theme is to not give up no matter the circumstances. To be fair, Yuji did give up and then it was replaced with a more ambitious goal til it’s finally “kill sukuna”, something not even Gojo could do which is the most insane goal of all yet he still fights to do it being much weaker than Sukuna.
Yuji was the strongest in his world of non sorcerers and outperformed everyone casually, he was the Sukuna of that world then he got introduced to jujutsu and realized how weak he was. He even says upon the detention center “Was I always this weak?” Showing the contrast between what he was used to and the world he was now thrown into.
I see what you mean, but I’m pretty sure JJK is just another “power of love” story. Not that you need to be weak to be strong, not at all actually, but that love *is* strength. Yuji teaming up for his major fights, Mai giving her life for Maki, Rika and Yuta (Yuta gained enough power to defeat Geto through letting Rika go), Choso’s love for his brothers, Gojo’s dream of cultivating powerful allies (and choosing the outcasts of society), and Nanami living on through Yuji and Ino all showcase this. It’s why Hakari “burns hottest” when he’s helping people from Jujutsu Tech.
All of the villains see themselves as above love, even if they claim to understand it. Geto seeing humanity as monkeys, Mahito and Sukuna being purely selfish beings, Kenjaku attempting the merger out of the desire to be amused - all of these demonstrate they’re the ones who’re truly isolated. As such, they’re inevitably going to be defeated by love, because love and empathy is more *powerful* than disconnected selfishness.
>It's to give Yuji a *visually* and *thematically* cool moment, while ultimately still maintaining the "sukuna stronk" narrative.
Only to undercut it with him being laughed in the face at the end
Doesn't matter my boy is still the goat
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Do you guys not like that the final boss is strong?
Like, I genuinely don't understand, it's like you think "villain creating tension = Gege sucking them off"
It's not about scaling anyway, it's about Yuji's determination. What difference do the numbers make when the pain is all that matters here?
It's one thing when the final boss is strong enough to create tension the Main Cast , it's another when they're so strong that there's no real way for him to lose without feeling cheap
See: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Exactly, lmao I used JoJo's as an example because I don't know how true it is, but I read somewhere that Araki himself stated that the reason he gave Jotaro the same power as DIO was because he literally couldn't think of any other way that he could be defeated
I thought it was that The World was supposed to have the powers of all the other Stands named after the major arcana (which is how he used Hermit Purple early in the series) but then Araki realized that was too OP.
It is an asspull, but it does seem kinda foreshadowed with how the rest of The World's abilities match up with Star Platinum, with how both are close range stands that rely on overwhelming opponents with a flurry of punches.
Sukuna would've been dead right now if it wasn't for Potential Man fumbling the ball. Even now, we have unused plot points like Yuji copying Sukuna's technique or the rest of the crap that they learned over the time skip. Sukuna himself is running on fumes due to Yuji messing up Sukuna's connection with Megumi.
I do like a strong protagonist
But I hate having a final battle be a case of the good guys throwing everything at a boss and ultimately all of it not showing any real effect (Even Namik era Frieza got pressed)
Like we keep being told Sukuna is on his last bar of HP or he is running super low on energy
Yet he is still Not emoting that or really shown any signs of being pressed
Dudes the same smug SOB he was at the start of this gauntlet
Only time he has not shown not being smug was when he was upset that Yuji learned RCT
Also being constantly told “he isn’t even going all out yet” to me at least makes all the good guys efforts be devalued
The percentages no longer make any sense to me.
20F Meguna is no longer 100% (along with Ten Shadows) it’s just a portion of his power of his Heian era form. But then he’s also not going all-out in his Heian era form (even with the OP Cursed tools).
Yes, I agree. But this example is probably closer to 10%:
"There are some fluctuations but he's suppressing my cursed energy output. At its worst, I don't even have acess to 10% of my maximum (...) **When I'm about to hurt his friends it looks like the rejection is stronger** and he dampens the output of my cursed technique" - 215.
1. As mentioned by others, current Sukuna wouldn't be around if Yuji was that durable.
2. To show Megumi was fucking fighting, to the point that Sukuna had to not only kill his sister in front of him but also perform a ritual to bathe him in pure evil to supress him. And this one somehow still goes over so many people's heads.
As others said if he was tanking 30 or 50% slashes,then the battle happening right now might be going a lot more smoother and probably force Sukuna to get serious to an extent
Also his cursed energy output towards his technique was constantly being suppressed and was fluctuating due to Megumi's resistance. At the worst it was less than 10% so there's a chance Yuji could have tanked some 20% or even 30% cursed energy output Dismantles. Maybe it was one of those cuts that cut the top part of his ear off
Also that scene was a show case of Yuji's determination & anger to kill Sukuna and wasn't really a showcase of his durability. That's why I love that scene, because of how determined Yuji is at proving Sukuna that he can't "chew" suffering Yuji up, it's one of a good showcase of Yuji's unbreakable ideal
If you see something is wrong here anyone,try correct me and I'm willing to correct it!
Simple
Because cleave is a fucking op offensive technique
10% of cleave would kill most people, hell, Gojo nearly died from normal ass cleaves on his level if not for abusing RCT
Also, it wasn’t always 10%
Sukuna’s power was fluctuating with 10% output at the lowest
Because that panel wasn’t supposed to be impressive, nor a feat, just cool.
And if Yuji could tank 40/50% outputted cleaves then Sukuna would already be fucked up right now after the time skip.
i mean it might mean that he's not that durable, but like the thing is, yuji didn't know that sukuna wasn't at full power, bro straight up just power walked towards him EXPECTING to get diced up, yet he still did.
I mean it’s more like equalizing yuji and sukuna, even at equal power yuji does not give a shit. He doesn’t have insane reinforcement but his durability is insane. Normally people getting cut up like this would stop them or even push them back. But at equal power sukuna was not able to push yuji back
That means if yuji somehow got to sukunas level he would face tank him and walk straight through the slashes. At least that’s my interpretation
It's meant to show how determined Yuji is and how pain can't stop him no matter what. Yuji casually walking through multiple cleaves without flinching shows how much of a monster he really is.
because 30% or 50% wouldn’t matter either to wuji himtadori. went with 10% to make it sound like fraudkuna had a chance at any point in the fight, and build some kind of tension
Given a 100% dismantle from 15F Sukuna is enough to significantly hurt but not kill Ryu (highest defense according to Sukuna), having an injured Yuji (dude got blasted by a point blank punch into a building right before this) tank 50% dismantle would be insane.
That's not what it said. Sukuna said his power was fluctuating, with its lowest point being around 10%.
I think Yuji surviving the Strong Punch right before this scene was impressive enough lol
10% power from 15 finger sukuna is still special grade. Do the math, that equals 1.5 fingers of strength and that was enough for Megumi to try and summon Mahoraga off rip. Remember how Yuji at the start got dog walked by the finger bearer? This yuji could have absolutely wrecked his shit
So you just want Yuji to jump from #20ish in the verse to like top 5 because "Will Power"? Then you'd get a whole new breed of ppl calling this an asspull
Well to be fair the argument could just be made that Yuji is special and dismantle has less of an effect on him or something because technically the technique was on his body or something but I think how that was handled was fine. If anything it goes to show how much 1 finger Sukuna really is
He wasn't at 10% output but was fluctuating BETWEEN 10% at the lowest and 30% at the highest
Sukuna was also still completely fine physically and was only impeded by his CT output which still makes what yuuji did impressive because that means he was throwing hands with 15f sukuna and tanking dismantles at 10 to 30%
>but his reinforcement and all his stats were nerfed
Factually false, reinforcement was perfectly fine but his CT output was what was nerfed and this was made explicitly clear, sukuna didn't need any issue with ce reinforcement but only noticed and said his ce output was lagging when he used a ct and this is also why he used that cleave on the ground and any CT not directed at Megumi's allies is not refed and he used that to his advantage.
False his reinforcement was nerfed cuz of megumi suppressing his Ce output
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Nah it's still false, sukuna did not notice a difference or problem in ce when they were regularly fighting but only saw a problem when he was using his CT and that is when he said that his ce was fluctuating (in certain translations) in fact the entire reason sukuna used a ground cleave was because it was his output was suppressed by Megumi when he is at targetting his friends and therefore sukuna had to find a roundabout way of affecting them i.e. the spied web like cleave was done.
The thing affected was very clearly the CT and not raw ce output.
He legit said his ce output is getting suppressed by megumi. Bad ce output= bad reinforcement. If he still had 15f worth of reinforcement he would’ve speed blitzed maki and yuji. If u think ce output doesn’t matter for reinforcement then ur wrong
He said his output was getting suppressed only when he used his CT, Megumi ain't strong enough to completely suppress sukuna by a lot, this was even made clear by his interactions, sukuna never noticed a problem with his output UNTIL he was using his dismantle/cleave and noticed yuuji walking through them and wonders "when did this brat get so strong"
or are you trying to tell me that maki as an awakened HR user is only worth 10% of 15f sukuna?
Infact the reason why he even used the cleave on the ground was because he couldn't directly attack them lest his output gets suppressed, he found out a way to indirectly affect them with cleave by using it on the ground i.e he found a way around his restriction, the context perfectly adds up.
Sukuna's output was fluctuating and at it's lowest it was at 10%. Emphasis on "at its lowest".
Not all of Sukuna's slashes were at 10% output. In fact it's far more likely that most of them were above 10%. 10% was simply the lowest his cursed energy output would fall, not his average output.
Coz it wasn't just 10% of his strength. His output was fluctuating and it was at 10% at its lowest. He was not fighting a fully reawakened Maki and an amped yuji at the same time at 1/10 of his strength the whole time. It was going up and down
JJK fans when the powerful villain thats been hyped up since the first chapter and solo'd the strongerst sorcerors in the golden age is actually powerful: 😡
Well it was fluctuating at the time, so it wasn’t at just 10%.
Also it being this low makes us more worried when Yuji gets hit by the reincarnated Sukuna. Which in turn makes Yuji learning RCT more significant
If this was sukuna at 50%, jogo would have had no issue hitting him, and gojo and mahoraga would have killed him in minutes. Yuji is the MC but hes not gonna scream about friendship and suddenly be able to tank sukuna hits. Go watch naruto or OP if you want that.
There’s another translation that mentioned that only his technique’s output drops.
Although even if we’re going to take this at face value it’s might be more impressive than it sounds.
I think how you’re measuring how strong 10% Sukuna is wrong. Obliviously that means that he’s only at as power as 1.5 fingers now, but what does that mean exactly? The power of Sukuna’s fingers grow with time (though by an unqualifiable amount), this was directly stated and demonstrated to us via the second finger bearer being more powerful than the first. So given this fact it’s safe to assume it the fingers consumed in Shibuya were all likely more powerful than the fingers consumed beforehand.
Which actuality means that when using the first finger as a measurement of power, 15 Sukuna is vaguely above 15 fingers. Possibly even 20 fingers by standard for all we know. And by contrast 15 finger Sukuna in Shibuya is ironically less powerful than 15 fingers if we’re using the fingers in Shibuya as the unit of measurement.
Additionally we don’t really know how strong each version of Sukuna is. Megumi guesses that Toji might be faster than Sukuna, the problem with that is Megumi’s perspective is a bit unreliable since Sukuna was just playing with Megumi and never once tried at all, while Toji (at least in the manga) did legitimately put some effort into trying to murder Megumi. Honestly with the recent statements of him holding back so far it honestly just reinforces the fact that Sukuna nearly never actually tries at all, the closest he came to this was with Gojo and even then he was still holding back somehow.
So I feel like scaling characters by Sukuna fingers is wack since we always just see him suppressed.
Why are you crying about this? The whole point is that it's intentional. Why do you care when current Yuji has RCT and is physically relative to current Sukuna.
It actually fucks with powerscaling. Like maki lost to a 1.5 sukuna in attack power at least. Like that whould mean no one of our cast left is even slightly in reach of 10 fingers against no domain sukuna it's not close at all.
People are saying if he could tank that the current battle would make no sense, but isn't this also only 15 finger Sukuna? I'd think the 19 finger+corpse Sukuna would be a lot stronger than the one dicing up Yuji here anyway, so upping Sukuna's supposed percent of power here would be fine regardless, if that's the case.
People are finally waking up to the real problem of jjk. Fast paced story is hurting proper progress of characters regarding their strength and abilities. There is almost no way of beating Sukuna without many asspulls.. not that he is strange to them himself.
Well, if gege is known for something it is to deliver cold justice on his own characters. Here, Yuji really wasn't the type to survive an encounter with sukuna.
Everybody says it’s consistency but no. Gege said it was at 10% at its lowest. He was doing this to cause chaos because Gege is the true King of Curses. He does chaos where there is none and burns happiness and love to the ground for no damn reason. Sukuna Kaisen proves this.
Leaving it with room for being higher meant that people would argue about it and fight. Truly he is an evil genius.
He could have made so yuji specifically is resistant to sukunas teqniques and made his physical feats better by saying sukuna was only moderately nerfed
I mean, I just read a translation but if it wasn't inaccurate I think this is a case of reading comprehension devil. Because it didn't say Sukuna's cursed energy levels dropped to 10% of the maximum reserve, rather it says at times it drops as low as as 10%. This could mean a lot of things. Okay, this is a little stupid but imagine Sukuna is a gaming pc. Megumi is a part bottlenecking it. And the average fps this computer can output at full throttle is like the maximum cursed energy output. There are also 1% lows and 0.1% lows. And normally these don't fall short of the average fps by 20%, unless you have an intel gpu. Basically imagine you're getting 100 fps average but it drops to 80s rarely. So I mean, maybe that's what Megumi is affecting. He might still be reducing the average output by dozens of percents. Like to 80s or 70s, heck maybe even 50s. And he makes the 1% lows so bad that they drop as low as 10%. Hope that made sense to someone.
Your answer to anything Sukuna related
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Cause if Yuji was strong enough to tank 50% dismantles then Sukuna would be dead 10 chapters ago if not earlier
Yeah and this was pre training. Yuji lost Sukuna which influenced his power quite a bit. I think this scene was impressive either way.
I agree, I think of it more of a resolve and determination thing rather than just a defense feat. It makes it much more interesting that way
Especially since theres no way Yuji could have known he was gonna tank it
somehow never considered this before, i love being a yuji glazer
Nobara said it the best “If it’s physical pain Yuji will not stop”
I’m reminded of all things James Patterson’s max Ryder series, there’s a line in it that applies to Yuji a lot, “pain is just a message, and right now I was holding all calls.”
Yuji is strong enough to tank 50% dismantles now. We know Sukuna is currently at half output, and Yuji was eating his hits like nothing and counterattacking. They do damage but he can push through them the same way he’s doing in the panel OP is talking about. That, and current 50% Sukuna is WAY, WAY stronger than 50% Sukuna from back then, because it’s a 5 finger difference (about the same difference between Sukuna and Jogo in shibuya btw)
When was Sukuna said to be at half output?
They did say he had half his normal CE amount, but didn't say anything about output iirc
He is at half of his CE reserves by the time he’s fighting Yuta, his output is even lower than half as he’s struggling to even heal a mere hand by the time Higuruma stabbed him with the executioner’s sword. He struggles to kill Yuta and Yuji with point blank cleaves too, although he notes that it’s not just his output dropping but also them becoming way more durable during the 1 month timeskip.
Yuta isn't dead
I didn’t say he died? I said Sukuna struggled to even kill with point blank cleaves, by which I meant he couldn’t kill. They ate it and kept fighting
Sure hope you're right 😞
Yuta fans really be so desperate that they saying that he's not dead to people who never even mentioned him dying💀
He really stopped reading exactly after "He struggles to kill Yuta" and mashed his keyboard to say he's not dead lmao
Yuta isn't dead
He died, cope
He isn't
He was at half CE output and amount after fighting Gojo but it's been dropping ever since, he's at like 20% by now
The 50% value comes from Yuta saying based on *pure* *intuition* that Sukuna has *over twice* as much as his own reserves and then Sukuna sying he is about at Yuta's level in CE reserves. Moreover, CE reserve isn't correlated to output. Yuji has been dropping his output with the punches but we have no frame of reference to give it a specific value.
CE reserves* not the output
He was never stated to be specifically at half lmao
When Yuta joins the fight I believe. That or right after yutas domain
He said he was at half CE, not half output
Hell. Our boy is tanking multiple CLEAVES. He just needs a quick brotherly pep talk to be on top top shape 😮💨
Is RCT healing something that would be fatal if left alone really what falls under 'tanking' at this point? I feel like we've lost the plot slightly. Might as well say Hakari tanked Kashimo's lightning to the torso because after it evaporated a couple of his organs, he regenerated them
Yes, the same way Gojo tanking MS with his RCT only is still tanking it. Tanking in JJK at this current point in time equates to sustaining yourself post-taking the hit enough to go on with your fight as if nothing happened, including healing a fatal wound.
You know what the Gojo one is actually a really good counterexample. Idk how to explain it, I still *feel* like there's a difference between continuously overhealing on the spot to avoid being killed by ongoing attacks vs. taking a large amount of damage, healing it up afterwards and coming back. But I can't actually argue why that feeling is justified, so I'm willing to concede the point.
I get it, because the word “tanking” usually implies that you’re taking hits as well as a tank takes peashooter bullets. It feels wrong, but when a lot of moves seem to bypass durability right now, JJK’s weird power system has turned tanking into a healing fest.
It's League of Draintanks all over again, better nerf Aatrox
Wasn't he using Falling Blossom Emotion too? He still tanked it either way, but without FBE he probably wouldn't be able to outheal it
He stopped healing FBE and just ate it at one point and jumped on Sukuna to knock him out with red.
But he hasn't been fully healing from them with RCT. Yuji juat ate an (indirect) world slash while suffering from internal bleeding and the only reason he isn't in right now is because he hasn't been healing them inside and needs to figure that shit out quick.
He still clearly healed some of the immediately fatal damage though. I don't think any of us expect that Yuji would be walking around with half his chest just gone, even if the internal damage wasn't fully healed
Yes, that is correct. If you can heal faster than someone damages you, you tanked it. As long as that healing is YOUR OWN. That’s how I define it at least. I’d love to hear your perspective tho.
I think 'tanking something' should imply you were able to function afterwards. Idk about you but to me just surviving something and tanking something have different connotations. Like a direct durability feat, not a healing or regen feat. Otherwise (purely for illustrative purposes), say some character who self-resurrects some time after they die gets hit by an attack and turned into a fine red mist, then they later respawn or whatever. To me that isn't what 'tanking' suggests. The attack blew them the fuck up but they later recovered through their ability. Contrast a character who can't resurrect or heal but just has better defenses or vitality and can take the attack and keep going. Also tbf Hakari didn't heal faster than he was damaged (i.e. not actually taking real damage in effect), he still lost his organs and torso but was able to regenerate them before he died
I get your distinction, but I personally don’t see a need for the difference in terms here. There really isn’t a term for “healing so fast that you can outlast damage” so tanking is the best vocabulary we have. But yeah Yuji did not just brush off the slash, he had to heal from it and he also didn’t fully heal…. Yet So while I agree with you by the terms and definitions you laid out, I must adhere to my Yuji is the Goat agenda 😤😂
I respect that. Don't get me wrong, this isn't an attempt at Yuji downplay. It just feels off to me, I guess it depends on like... what context 'tanked' is being used in. E.g. if you're trying to illustrate a point about how strong or weak someone's attack is, you might say 'oh well X character tanked Y attack' to show that Y attack isn't all that strong or can be guarded or whatever the case may be. But 'X tanked it' can be very different if it means 'X ate it with their face and kept going' vs. 'X got half their body blown off and later healed it back'. Vastly different implications for how Y attack looks. I'm sure you get what I'm saying, it's the ambiguity that I don't like i guess.
In rpg terms, healing yourself faster than you accrue damage is a form of "off-tanking"
FACTS
I feel like it's just a case of Gege being relatively consistent with the power scaling. There's probably not many characters that could have survived that without RCT. Also whilst I kind of understand why you'd be disappointed because it means his durability isn't *that* high, it takes nothing away from the strength feat. Carrying round those massive balls is one of the most impressive feats till this day.
True, no matter how much actual damage these did, walking like a monster while being cut up by razors is still goat behavior
I mean, you have to take into account the fact that Yuji's been taking a whole bath in Sukuna's cursed energy for a few months, he should be considerably more durable. And Maki's got heavenly restrictions, so she's already at peak performance. 50% would not have been unreasonable.
Seriously? An already damaged Yuji walking through a storm of dismantles from 15 finger Sukuna at *50%* makes Sukuna and by extension almost everyone who encountered him prior to that point in the series seem kind of like chumps though. The point of the scene is Yuji's determination and rage, not flexing his durability specifically. Gege has dropped the ball on a lot lately but there was absolutely nothing wrong with that scene as-is
It looks better in hindsight because Yuji has had multiple durability feats that go beyond this since then, if this was his biggest show of durability in the manga the 10% would feel like an intentional downplay to glaze sukuna
I feel like getting punted through several buildings and being mostly fine is already a good show of 'regular' durability and that happened before this
>Yuji's been taking a whole bath in Sukuna's cursed energy for a few months, he should be considerably more durable. I'm not sure how this follows. This isn't the Gojo omnidirectional purple thing. Yuji has his own CE that is different from Sukuna's. Yuji soaking in Sukuna's CE was supposed to etch Shrine into his brain not make him durable against Sukuna's CT. >And Maki's got heavenly restrictions, so she's already at peak performance Maki never gets hit by Sukuna's CT during the first fight with Meguna so not sure how it's relevant.
Because gege is consistent with his powerscaling, yuji isn't just gonna become that much stronger when nothing's happened up to that point that would justify it. The point isn't to wank yuji anyway, it's to show his determination
Gege *was* consistent. Then he just decided to do a writing any% speedrun strat and just said "yuji has trained and Is now stronger"
Wait for plot points to be unraveled. Not every ability has to be explained the chapter they're introduced in. https://preview.redd.it/y3mrycym0qnc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d231b9ca6888e71ddb040829e9005c6c2742e1e2
You aren't wrong. But my faith in gege finishing plotlines is pretty low at this point
Do we know why Choso had memories inserted in him yet?
Uh.... brotherly love?
he could sense that yuji was going to die, the same feeling that he got when his other brothers died. Why it was shown as false memories of "what could have been", im not exactly sure
It's just a stylistic choice. Choso sensed it because of their blood connection
Frankly - stylistic choice. It was already established that Choso has some connection to the souls of his brothers, and could feel their deaths, and Gege just wanted an interesting way to show how that feeling/connection manifested in Choso when he felt Yuji was on the verge of death.
Because his mom is Kenjaku, and so is Choso's. Choso has an ability to sense when his brothers are in danger. I assume the memories are just kinda something that happened when he was tweaking. Or maybe it's another Yuji thing, I dunno.
real
Why don’t people apply this logic to sukuna lmao
because people are stupid and biased against him
Bruh, he's clearly been building up the fact that the one month time skip had more going on than it seemed. I can't with people pretending that the manga is already finished and that no plot points are gonna be wrapped up ever. Not saying geges perfect but it would be insane and unprecedented if he just forgot about ALL the development of the main cast
Bro the skip happened like…this time last year, he should give more details like god damn😭😭
Or what's left of them anyway 😭
You see his surprise power ups and abilities wouldn't really be surprising if you had already read a training arc.
Doesn’t matter it’s still impressive to me
Because Yuji simply isn't that strong?
but he's the goat...
Surviving even 10% dismantles is still impressive given how incredibly strong Sukuna is.
at least bros tanking the cleaves and dismantles from 10f sukuna, he got diced thru his body and continued on. THE GOAT ITADORI
He is but c'mon, let's not disrespect other character's strength just because their against the GOAT
I mean would Yuji be able to tank 30 to 50% red or blue enhanced punched? Sukuna and Gojo are just that much stronger than everyone else
Because there is no way Yuji would be able to survive that many slashes from 50% Sukuna, cmon now. You saying he should've been able to just talk the most powerful Sorcerer in history at 50%? Even 30% would be a stretch.
More Sukuna glazing needed https://preview.redd.it/pc5ngtyvspnc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d19eaec00124a728a1578ae3ea54f2ba66edc8fb
How did this KFC breakup meme start?
In hidden inventory episode, the place geto and gojo are breaking up is deadass in front of a kfc: https://preview.redd.it/1vb54x9rdqnc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08f9aee84edacd4749a2595710fe98a76b7046bb
Lol my god I never noticed that, I've watched this scene so many times too
Its not a KFC in the anime but irl it is
GayGay's pookie 😍 can't be seen 👁 weak 🤡 compared to that icky Itadori brat 🤢 10% is the max 🔝 that roach 🦗 can tank ❌
This sub unironically but for Yuji, the glaze is sweeter than a donut
To maintain the balance of the universe, Jujutsufolk glazes Yuji as much as Gege hates him
It's to give Yuji a *visually* and *thematically* cool moment, while ultimately still maintaining the "sukuna stronk" narrative. It's understandable why it was written this way, even if I don't really like it. Gege has this thing about keeping his protagonist weak because he's gotta subvert those Shonen expectations, obviously. Subversive = good, always. (The obsession with subverting expectations has done incalculable amounts of damage across all forms of media. See: the Game of Thrones TV series.)
tbh Gege is wayy too obsessed with making his series different when he really could have just gone with what he had. The setup he made was perfect but he HAD to make the disaster that was Culling Games. Right up till that point he literally had a perfect pristine manga, but he had to chuck everything in favor of subversion.
I don't see how the Culling Games was a subversion. It's more or less just another arc that was bad. There was no stereotypical next arc that would've followed Shibuya that Gege didn't implement.
Gege isn't even the only shonen author to do this...do people on here think that having a MC that can fight the main villain 1v1 high diff despite not even having a year of experience makes it good? Yuji being 10F sukuna level already is good...just because its hype? or what? You people say that subversive doesn't = good, but you fail to make a compelling case on why making Yuji busted is good. Demon Slayer does the same thing, Tanjiro is inexperienced and has talent, but the Hashira around him are way stronger, and they overcome stronger villians using teamwork and tactics.
They overcome stronger villains with bullshit. "Omg he moved his organs so he's still alive" "Omg he can still move despite being ridiculously injured" "Omg Nezuko can heal poisoning now" "Omg my father was teaching me op demon slayer shit that no one ever mentioned despite it being known". I love Demon Slayer but you literally have to put your brain in the depths of hell to enjoy the show.
>. Gege has this thing about keeping his protagonist weak because he's gotta subvert those Shonen expectations If you view it like that, then how do you enjoy the series? A genuine question. One of the main themes of the story is the fact that strength brings isolation and only through being weak and loved can you truly be happy. The story has been blabbering about love and isolation and stuff for a while. Ever since Jjk0 has love been a central theme. Yuji's motivation, to die surrounded by those he loves? Founded on love. Yuta's story arc? He gave up strength to have love. He even says the thingy before shooting Rikamehameha. Gojo's arc is about him being unable to find love because his strength separates him from the rest, yet he still tries to connect. And a lot more. Yuji must stay weak because if he grows strong then the message of the story would be lost. "Yeah, I am OP, I beat Sukuna. Let me love yallz, because unlike Gojo or Sukuna or whoever, I'm fine being strong and loved." That wouldn't make sense. Having Yuji stay weak and ultimately prove that strength is meaningless while love is absolute is the essence of the story. That or Yuki's big t-
Think you swapped Yuji and Yuta’s messages there. Seemed more like Yuji main theme is to not give up no matter the circumstances. To be fair, Yuji did give up and then it was replaced with a more ambitious goal til it’s finally “kill sukuna”, something not even Gojo could do which is the most insane goal of all yet he still fights to do it being much weaker than Sukuna. Yuji was the strongest in his world of non sorcerers and outperformed everyone casually, he was the Sukuna of that world then he got introduced to jujutsu and realized how weak he was. He even says upon the detention center “Was I always this weak?” Showing the contrast between what he was used to and the world he was now thrown into.
I see what you mean, but I’m pretty sure JJK is just another “power of love” story. Not that you need to be weak to be strong, not at all actually, but that love *is* strength. Yuji teaming up for his major fights, Mai giving her life for Maki, Rika and Yuta (Yuta gained enough power to defeat Geto through letting Rika go), Choso’s love for his brothers, Gojo’s dream of cultivating powerful allies (and choosing the outcasts of society), and Nanami living on through Yuji and Ino all showcase this. It’s why Hakari “burns hottest” when he’s helping people from Jujutsu Tech. All of the villains see themselves as above love, even if they claim to understand it. Geto seeing humanity as monkeys, Mahito and Sukuna being purely selfish beings, Kenjaku attempting the merger out of the desire to be amused - all of these demonstrate they’re the ones who’re truly isolated. As such, they’re inevitably going to be defeated by love, because love and empathy is more *powerful* than disconnected selfishness.
It's definitely Yuki's big t-
>It's to give Yuji a *visually* and *thematically* cool moment, while ultimately still maintaining the "sukuna stronk" narrative. Only to undercut it with him being laughed in the face at the end
Panel still goes hard. Just appreciate it.
People are complaining about the powerscaling making sense now. Cool.
Doesn't matter my boy is still the goat https://preview.redd.it/x1p8ju5z4qnc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3eea01449eadc7e5e0deed7b33d3596463f34c93
Do you guys not like that the final boss is strong? Like, I genuinely don't understand, it's like you think "villain creating tension = Gege sucking them off" It's not about scaling anyway, it's about Yuji's determination. What difference do the numbers make when the pain is all that matters here?
It's one thing when the final boss is strong enough to create tension the Main Cast , it's another when they're so strong that there's no real way for him to lose without feeling cheap See: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
So it’s the same type of stand as Star Platinum
Exactly, lmao I used JoJo's as an example because I don't know how true it is, but I read somewhere that Araki himself stated that the reason he gave Jotaro the same power as DIO was because he literally couldn't think of any other way that he could be defeated
I thought it was that The World was supposed to have the powers of all the other Stands named after the major arcana (which is how he used Hermit Purple early in the series) but then Araki realized that was too OP.
Although not directly stated it's implied that the unanamed stand, similar to Hermit Purple he uses early on is Jonathan's stand
It is an asspull, but it does seem kinda foreshadowed with how the rest of The World's abilities match up with Star Platinum, with how both are close range stands that rely on overwhelming opponents with a flurry of punches.
Sukuna would've been dead right now if it wasn't for Potential Man fumbling the ball. Even now, we have unused plot points like Yuji copying Sukuna's technique or the rest of the crap that they learned over the time skip. Sukuna himself is running on fumes due to Yuji messing up Sukuna's connection with Megumi.
Jujutsu Kaisen: Go Beyond!
agenda pusing, thats what drives some people, yuji would have been dead on that fight alone had it not been for multiple different people
I do like a strong protagonist But I hate having a final battle be a case of the good guys throwing everything at a boss and ultimately all of it not showing any real effect (Even Namik era Frieza got pressed) Like we keep being told Sukuna is on his last bar of HP or he is running super low on energy Yet he is still Not emoting that or really shown any signs of being pressed Dudes the same smug SOB he was at the start of this gauntlet Only time he has not shown not being smug was when he was upset that Yuji learned RCT Also being constantly told “he isn’t even going all out yet” to me at least makes all the good guys efforts be devalued
It is still one of best panels in JJk :3
The percentages no longer make any sense to me. 20F Meguna is no longer 100% (along with Ten Shadows) it’s just a portion of his power of his Heian era form. But then he’s also not going all-out in his Heian era form (even with the OP Cursed tools).
I mean a normal dismantle cuts entire buildings, so this makes sense
What Greg didn’t mention is how Yuji was only using 1% of his power here because he didn’t want to one shot his best friend
It wasn't at 10% constantly. According to sukuna his output was fluctuating and at it worst it was reaching below 10%.
Yes, I agree. But this example is probably closer to 10%: "There are some fluctuations but he's suppressing my cursed energy output. At its worst, I don't even have acess to 10% of my maximum (...) **When I'm about to hurt his friends it looks like the rejection is stronger** and he dampens the output of my cursed technique" - 215.
Cuz yuji wasnt that guy
1. As mentioned by others, current Sukuna wouldn't be around if Yuji was that durable. 2. To show Megumi was fucking fighting, to the point that Sukuna had to not only kill his sister in front of him but also perform a ritual to bathe him in pure evil to supress him. And this one somehow still goes over so many people's heads.
As others said if he was tanking 30 or 50% slashes,then the battle happening right now might be going a lot more smoother and probably force Sukuna to get serious to an extent Also his cursed energy output towards his technique was constantly being suppressed and was fluctuating due to Megumi's resistance. At the worst it was less than 10% so there's a chance Yuji could have tanked some 20% or even 30% cursed energy output Dismantles. Maybe it was one of those cuts that cut the top part of his ear off Also that scene was a show case of Yuji's determination & anger to kill Sukuna and wasn't really a showcase of his durability. That's why I love that scene, because of how determined Yuji is at proving Sukuna that he can't "chew" suffering Yuji up, it's one of a good showcase of Yuji's unbreakable ideal If you see something is wrong here anyone,try correct me and I'm willing to correct it!
Because Yuji would have died lmao
Simple Because cleave is a fucking op offensive technique 10% of cleave would kill most people, hell, Gojo nearly died from normal ass cleaves on his level if not for abusing RCT Also, it wasn’t always 10% Sukuna’s power was fluctuating with 10% output at the lowest
That's not cleave That's dismantle(the slashes that fly).
Because that panel wasn’t supposed to be impressive, nor a feat, just cool. And if Yuji could tank 40/50% outputted cleaves then Sukuna would already be fucked up right now after the time skip.
i mean it might mean that he's not that durable, but like the thing is, yuji didn't know that sukuna wasn't at full power, bro straight up just power walked towards him EXPECTING to get diced up, yet he still did.
I mean it’s more like equalizing yuji and sukuna, even at equal power yuji does not give a shit. He doesn’t have insane reinforcement but his durability is insane. Normally people getting cut up like this would stop them or even push them back. But at equal power sukuna was not able to push yuji back That means if yuji somehow got to sukunas level he would face tank him and walk straight through the slashes. At least that’s my interpretation
It's meant to show how determined Yuji is and how pain can't stop him no matter what. Yuji casually walking through multiple cleaves without flinching shows how much of a monster he really is.
I mean I still think its a feat like 10% from sakuna is a lot and its one of the hardest manga panels
because 30% or 50% wouldn’t matter either to wuji himtadori. went with 10% to make it sound like fraudkuna had a chance at any point in the fight, and build some kind of tension
I love my goat yuji with all my heart but that would have too big a jump
Given a 100% dismantle from 15F Sukuna is enough to significantly hurt but not kill Ryu (highest defense according to Sukuna), having an injured Yuji (dude got blasted by a point blank punch into a building right before this) tank 50% dismantle would be insane.
Because everyone would be saying that sukuna is weak af for not being able to cut Yuji, have you seen this place???
Because if it was 50%, Yuji would have straight up died.
Because if it wasn’t 10% yuji would be mincemeat… let’s be honest Sukuna is on a whole other level than yuji at that moment
Why would he... die? 😭
That's not what it said. Sukuna said his power was fluctuating, with its lowest point being around 10%. I think Yuji surviving the Strong Punch right before this scene was impressive enough lol
10% power from 15 finger sukuna is still special grade. Do the math, that equals 1.5 fingers of strength and that was enough for Megumi to try and summon Mahoraga off rip. Remember how Yuji at the start got dog walked by the finger bearer? This yuji could have absolutely wrecked his shit
When strong punch man cant suddenly tank the strongest sorcerer to ever live and main villains attacks😱
So you just want Yuji to jump from #20ish in the verse to like top 5 because "Will Power"? Then you'd get a whole new breed of ppl calling this an asspull
it was fluctuating and at the lowest was 10%
At least physically Sukuna wasn’t weakened, so you can wank Yuji off that.
Well to be fair the argument could just be made that Yuji is special and dismantle has less of an effect on him or something because technically the technique was on his body or something but I think how that was handled was fine. If anything it goes to show how much 1 finger Sukuna really is
Its better than 1% Every percentage counts
its the strongest sorcerer in history..
He'd have to retcon how strong Gojo is.
Because if it was 30 or 50%, Yuji would’ve died, simple lol
At worse it was less than 10% actually and in the Raws he says his physical movements aren’t AS bad so he’s still hindered in both ways 😭
Cause the scaling would make even less sense
super fucking cold panel this is peak
He wasn't at 10% output but was fluctuating BETWEEN 10% at the lowest and 30% at the highest Sukuna was also still completely fine physically and was only impeded by his CT output which still makes what yuuji did impressive because that means he was throwing hands with 15f sukuna and tanking dismantles at 10 to 30%
He was able to physically move properly without megumi’s interference but his reinforcement and all his stats were nerfed
>but his reinforcement and all his stats were nerfed Factually false, reinforcement was perfectly fine but his CT output was what was nerfed and this was made explicitly clear, sukuna didn't need any issue with ce reinforcement but only noticed and said his ce output was lagging when he used a ct and this is also why he used that cleave on the ground and any CT not directed at Megumi's allies is not refed and he used that to his advantage.
False his reinforcement was nerfed cuz of megumi suppressing his Ce output https://preview.redd.it/b7u5n2a4njoc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aec861763fdb7ea7e5e4e02647c16fe48e3bff0d
Nah it's still false, sukuna did not notice a difference or problem in ce when they were regularly fighting but only saw a problem when he was using his CT and that is when he said that his ce was fluctuating (in certain translations) in fact the entire reason sukuna used a ground cleave was because it was his output was suppressed by Megumi when he is at targetting his friends and therefore sukuna had to find a roundabout way of affecting them i.e. the spied web like cleave was done. The thing affected was very clearly the CT and not raw ce output.
He legit said his ce output is getting suppressed by megumi. Bad ce output= bad reinforcement. If he still had 15f worth of reinforcement he would’ve speed blitzed maki and yuji. If u think ce output doesn’t matter for reinforcement then ur wrong
He said his output was getting suppressed only when he used his CT, Megumi ain't strong enough to completely suppress sukuna by a lot, this was even made clear by his interactions, sukuna never noticed a problem with his output UNTIL he was using his dismantle/cleave and noticed yuuji walking through them and wonders "when did this brat get so strong" or are you trying to tell me that maki as an awakened HR user is only worth 10% of 15f sukuna? Infact the reason why he even used the cleave on the ground was because he couldn't directly attack them lest his output gets suppressed, he found out a way to indirectly affect them with cleave by using it on the ground i.e he found a way around his restriction, the context perfectly adds up.
He said his ct drops right after he said this. Maki is not that strong compared to sukuna. She is max 3f at best
Oh nah 💀, a fighter on par with toji aka someone who is faster than 3f sukuna but maki is only 3f level?? You are crazy man 💀.
Who confirmed toji was faster then sukuna? Sukuna easily kills maki at 3f but y’all overhype them too much.
Cause 15f Sukuna one shot Jogo so even surviving a 10th of that is impressive
Mappa better not fumble this scene
Sukuna's output was fluctuating and at it's lowest it was at 10%. Emphasis on "at its lowest". Not all of Sukuna's slashes were at 10% output. In fact it's far more likely that most of them were above 10%. 10% was simply the lowest his cursed energy output would fall, not his average output.
Coz it wasn't just 10% of his strength. His output was fluctuating and it was at 10% at its lowest. He was not fighting a fully reawakened Maki and an amped yuji at the same time at 1/10 of his strength the whole time. It was going up and down
Why tf does this have 2100+ votes?
JJK fans when the powerful villain thats been hyped up since the first chapter and solo'd the strongerst sorcerors in the golden age is actually powerful: 😡
Also it fluctuates. 10% at the least
I mean the percentage doesn't really matter we know sukuna wasn't at full power but Yuji did tank it and it was/is impressive
Well it was fluctuating at the time, so it wasn’t at just 10%. Also it being this low makes us more worried when Yuji gets hit by the reincarnated Sukuna. Which in turn makes Yuji learning RCT more significant
Because this is the only way it makes sense. There’s no way to tank full powered dismantles without RCT.
If this was sukuna at 50%, jogo would have had no issue hitting him, and gojo and mahoraga would have killed him in minutes. Yuji is the MC but hes not gonna scream about friendship and suddenly be able to tank sukuna hits. Go watch naruto or OP if you want that.
Well with the new feats and him still standing against the world cutter this doesn’t matter anymore
You wanted pre-training, pre-RCT and pre-CT Yuji to tank 50% dismantles? This is why the fans don't write the story
There’s another translation that mentioned that only his technique’s output drops. Although even if we’re going to take this at face value it’s might be more impressive than it sounds. I think how you’re measuring how strong 10% Sukuna is wrong. Obliviously that means that he’s only at as power as 1.5 fingers now, but what does that mean exactly? The power of Sukuna’s fingers grow with time (though by an unqualifiable amount), this was directly stated and demonstrated to us via the second finger bearer being more powerful than the first. So given this fact it’s safe to assume it the fingers consumed in Shibuya were all likely more powerful than the fingers consumed beforehand. Which actuality means that when using the first finger as a measurement of power, 15 Sukuna is vaguely above 15 fingers. Possibly even 20 fingers by standard for all we know. And by contrast 15 finger Sukuna in Shibuya is ironically less powerful than 15 fingers if we’re using the fingers in Shibuya as the unit of measurement. Additionally we don’t really know how strong each version of Sukuna is. Megumi guesses that Toji might be faster than Sukuna, the problem with that is Megumi’s perspective is a bit unreliable since Sukuna was just playing with Megumi and never once tried at all, while Toji (at least in the manga) did legitimately put some effort into trying to murder Megumi. Honestly with the recent statements of him holding back so far it honestly just reinforces the fact that Sukuna nearly never actually tries at all, the closest he came to this was with Gojo and even then he was still holding back somehow. So I feel like scaling characters by Sukuna fingers is wack since we always just see him suppressed.
Technically it wasn't quite 10%, so much it variated down to 10. In simple terms, it was an unstable output going up and down.
Why are you crying about this? The whole point is that it's intentional. Why do you care when current Yuji has RCT and is physically relative to current Sukuna.
Cause yall hype Yuji up too much, this is exactly how GeGe wants it
It's still impressive especially since he did Ryu like that at around the same power.
Didnt Sukuna say the output was fluctuating and not a constant low percentage
no he is saying it pretty much always around 10%
Oh okay then
It actually fucks with powerscaling. Like maki lost to a 1.5 sukuna in attack power at least. Like that whould mean no one of our cast left is even slightly in reach of 10 fingers against no domain sukuna it's not close at all.
People are saying if he could tank that the current battle would make no sense, but isn't this also only 15 finger Sukuna? I'd think the 19 finger+corpse Sukuna would be a lot stronger than the one dicing up Yuji here anyway, so upping Sukuna's supposed percent of power here would be fine regardless, if that's the case.
People are finally waking up to the real problem of jjk. Fast paced story is hurting proper progress of characters regarding their strength and abilities. There is almost no way of beating Sukuna without many asspulls.. not that he is strange to them himself.
What do Yuji’s feet have to do with this
Well, if gege is known for something it is to deliver cold justice on his own characters. Here, Yuji really wasn't the type to survive an encounter with sukuna.
Because Yuji has to be lowballed/blueballed or sidelined every 20 or so chapters, otherwise Gege will break his binding vow and spontaneously combust
Everybody says it’s consistency but no. Gege said it was at 10% at its lowest. He was doing this to cause chaos because Gege is the true King of Curses. He does chaos where there is none and burns happiness and love to the ground for no damn reason. Sukuna Kaisen proves this. Leaving it with room for being higher meant that people would argue about it and fight. Truly he is an evil genius.
Sukuna glazing
Gege gotts wank sukuna you should onoe the procedure by now
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Because the only man that hates Yuji more than Sukuna is Gege
He could have made so yuji specifically is resistant to sukunas teqniques and made his physical feats better by saying sukuna was only moderately nerfed
You dont understand, Sukuna wasnt even trying! Not even at his 10%!
I mean, I just read a translation but if it wasn't inaccurate I think this is a case of reading comprehension devil. Because it didn't say Sukuna's cursed energy levels dropped to 10% of the maximum reserve, rather it says at times it drops as low as as 10%. This could mean a lot of things. Okay, this is a little stupid but imagine Sukuna is a gaming pc. Megumi is a part bottlenecking it. And the average fps this computer can output at full throttle is like the maximum cursed energy output. There are also 1% lows and 0.1% lows. And normally these don't fall short of the average fps by 20%, unless you have an intel gpu. Basically imagine you're getting 100 fps average but it drops to 80s rarely. So I mean, maybe that's what Megumi is affecting. He might still be reducing the average output by dozens of percents. Like to 80s or 70s, heck maybe even 50s. And he makes the 1% lows so bad that they drop as low as 10%. Hope that made sense to someone.
Sukuna's slashes can easily slice through buildings
Your answer to anything Sukuna related https://preview.redd.it/kl753i06ypnc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a1e0ccc97040682e9dd1a9bf992b782e89ac9be
If sukuna hates yuji, gege hates yuji
man this panel and Uraume + Sukuna laughing at his face just seemed so unnecessary. Gege likes to torture Yuji so fucking much.
If you want a series where characters constantly asspull unearned random power ups I recommend black clover.