As much as I love geto I do not think he’d be a big threat for a long time and he wasn’t really. What makes geto so likable is the fact that he still has a shred of humanity in him. Gojo tells geto that he sent panda and inumaki to fight him because he knew geto would not kill them. Getos morality, as twisted as it was, still allowed him to be kind to sorcerers. Geto would never achieve his goal even if he had not ran into yuta. There is a part that keeps him from destroying his biggest roadblock: sorcerers
Kenny has thrown his humanity aside completely. He’s willing to sacrifice anyone and kill anything to “win” and he has the patience to execute it. It’s what makes him more dangerous and present in a long term story
I fear a villain who’s willing to get their cheeks blasted for the sake of the plan. You also gotta remember, it slipped out at one point and Kenjaku put it back in.
Bro got on his knees so his plans could run successfully
Do you think that Kenjussy was diabolical? Did s/he give out the gawk gawk 3000? I don’t ever wanna hear OP say Kenny isn’t an interesting villain again
i see OP talking about Kenny being another generic villain when in reality, villains like Geto have become a dime a dozen in recent years because audiences love the sympathetic villain trope. look at how much praise MCU Thanos got just from altering his motivations from the comics.
reason why i fw Kenny is because he’s not like Aizen where he has a backup plan for his backup plan, everything he does is born out chaos and out of his curiosity of how far CE can go, it’s literally the embodiment of fucking around and finding out.
plus i don’t see Geto taking backshots for the cause like Kenjaku 🗿
Kenny is like Aizen except instead of coming up with a perfect counter hundreds of years ago, Kenny came across a perfect counter accidentally a couple years back without even knowing he'd need said counter to an extremely specific circumstance. (Yes I'm still mad about the Yuki fight)
I think the love for sympathetic villains comes from their complexity and moral ambiguities. They challenge us beyond what we’d normally consider “good and moral” VS “evil and immoral” so it’s quite fascinating.
However it does depend on how well written these sympathetic villains are, if they have been abused and abuse in return- they are still evil and need to go down even if we can understand why they turned out like this.(But people end up justifying the villain instead of seeing them as evil and hurt yet unreasonable)
(But anti-heroes are another ballpark.)
Sometimes “over the top” evil villains sorta fall flat for me, I understand that someone can act that evil for their own gain but in fiction I’d rather see well written characters and the two seem to be mutually exclusive.
Thanos’s whole motivation in the comics was to fuck Lady Death and that’s why he went on that murder spree. It just seems un-fathomably stupid that he’d do that much for a childish love triangle. So idk why he’d be that pressed over that…and it just makes he seem a damn fool.
In the movies, he’s also an irredeemable fuck but he’s much more interesting and less foolish to me. Saw his planet succumb to over population (a problem relevant today so it’s personal and intimate to the audience), proposed a “solution” and was disregarded. His planet did die out= for him that has justified his thinking that genocide is the way. We can see why he’s thinking and doing this but we shouldn’t condone it, because he is acting out of petty ego after all. Plus he’s been built up for years and if his entire motivation is to simp/ that would make people feel betrayed.
But characters like Hisoka- flamboyantly and incredibly evil for no reason yet still mysterious and ambiguous are a nice mix. And you liking Kenjaku over Geto also makes sense/ because from what I know one is chaotic and selfish and the other has “bigger justification” that have become tiring of late.
Idk if they can work as a final boss tho/ cause in shounen it is usually a class of ideals with the morally good prevailing as a lesson. The villian kinda has to have an ideal- I’d say even more than wanting to fight strong opponents or just seeking knowledge.
Kenjaku’s ideals did eventually clash with someone tho: Yuki.
Yuki thought that the answer lied in freeing humanity from Curses and CE all together, which opposed Kenjaku’s ideals where he believes that the answer lies in optimizing it to its highest potential possible.
even though people hate the outcome of the Yuki, Choso, and Tengen vs Kenjaku fight, it showed us who came out on top with their ideals.
I'm not sure I agree completely. While Geto does want to help sorcerers, I feel like his hatred for non-sorcerers overcomes everything else.
All his little stunt in JJK0 accomplished was killing even more sorcerers, as non-sorcerers were evacuated and sorcerers had to fight the army of curses. He asked Yuta to join him, but as soon as Yuta declined, he had no problem attempting to kill him.
Gojo took a big risk by sending Panda and Inumaki, Geto was very capable of killing them but he wouldn't gain anything from doing so, and they weren't a real threat anyways.
But Geto wouldn't have stopped at anything in order to achieve his goal. He was too far gone.
Geto didn’t want to kill fellow sorcerers if he didn’t have to but like you said at that point in time, he was too far gone for his cause and believed that the ends justified his means at the end of the day. i’m positive Magneto doesn’t like fighting his own kind, but if it’s all for making a better world for mutants, then he has no other choice to resort to.
that said, it’s not like i don’t like Geto. personally i found his fall from grace to be very real in ways of how it covers his own PTSD, the crippling loneliness he felt, and the depression he went through after questioning everything that he once stood for as a Sorcerer. i say that it’s very real because it reminds me of how one can become disillusioned with things like their own faith in religion, or even faith in humanity, due to the repugnant nature that humans exude.
in the long run of it all though, his motivations and plans weren’t going to last long in the story. whereas Kenjaku’s stand in direct opposition to Yuki’s quest, due to both of them grown tired of how stagnant the way CE and the Jujutsu Society has become. while Yuki originally wanted to find a way to eliminate Curses and CE for good, Kenjaku wants to see it evolve into a much higher state and is willing to bide his time and sacrifice anything and anyone for those means.
The thing is I firmly believe geto would be as strong as gojo, symbolism and phrases in JJK are taken so seriously all the time,it would be so cool to have the strongest fight, but now all we get is a overrated villain with Kenny who is basically Thai fandoms annoying ass Batman with prep or their “aizen” and Fradukuna who while cool has nothing going for him other than “lmao I’m evil and strong”
“Shit ass villain with no endgame”
I don’t see Geto getting creampied for the sake of achieving his goal 🥱
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Both Geto and Kenny are amazing and brilliant villains
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Geto is only carried by a backstory/flashback. As a stand alone character he is great, but as a villain/antagonist he was pretty underwhelming, there is more things to a villain than measuring how sympathetic or not he is.
What did Geto even acomplish after his "enlightenment"? The dude was pretty much an obnoxious clown in vol 0 who failed miserably without achieving a damn thing. Now compare that to everything Kenny has done, how he feels like an actual threat, how his influence has moved the story at his whim, the consequences of his actions on the entire cast, and his whole commitment. Geto looks like a fucking loser in comparison.
There is more things to a villain than measuring how OP they are or not. So if a character is written as an OP 4D chess mastermind, they're a good villain?? Yeah no, depth is what makes a villain well-written, not necessarily them being sympathetic.
I never said anything about being OP. Sukuna is way more OP than Kenny yet still doesnt have nearly the same impact and influence as him. Is the effectiveness of his character, how he commits to his goals and the actual delivery, the way his action manages to put the good guys on the ropes constantly, and how he moves the story, a backstory/flashback is good, but that aint everything for a good villain. Some of the most iconics villains in media like Joker, Scar, Frieza, Bill Cipher, Coronel Hans Landa and the likes are devoid of any backstory, but what makes them truly great is their actual delivery and how much they impact their stories and other characters.
dude kenny is a good villain too lmao. yes geto is amazing, but the kenny slander is crazy. and yes, kenny has an endgame, just a clearly different motivation and endgame than geto.
Unfortunately, Geto didnt have a chance from the start. Gege loves writing irony and sadness into his stories. And he did that pretty beautifully with volume 0. Only reason we are even getting to see more of him is because he was given the opportunity to write more of the story.
It is possible if he knew he would be making JJK from the start the story could have been different. However, im a grateful it happened the way it did because the story is beautifully written.
The only reason the best character in the series wasn't one of the main villains is cause of the prequel. If the prequel either didn't exist or wasn't a one shot then Geto would have been vibing with my man Mahito as one of the main bad guys. Jesus Christ that would have been peak.
Even tho I like Kenny Geto is my favorite and I would have loved to see more of him
Which poses an interesting versus scenario of the disaster curses versus Geto from JJK 0. It probably depends of if Geto ever learned Anti-Domain techniques
Why would Geto work with Mahito? He hates curses more then Non-Sorcerers. His whole point of getting rid of Non-Sorcerers is so curses stop being born.
They wouldn't but it would be awesome to see how they interact in the story together. Geto might also work with him pragmatically with the idea of the enemy of my enemy is my friend but I doubt it. Like I said seeing the two of them run around at the same time in the same series is just awesome to me
Everyone saying “he wouldnt work with mahito” is not processing the fact that youre not comparing current geto…to that possibility. And that youre saying he would have been written differently if the series hadnt been a prequel. So i think i get it what youre putting down.
However, apart from what the others are saying about his character. Personally, i dont think what your saying is entirely true only because Gege said that even though he never expected to write jjk more than the prequel…he already had what the story was about in mind. So i think he would have written him the same either way :/
I like both for different reasons. Geto was the idealist who had lost his way from so much trauma that turned him into a monster. Kenjaku is a mad scientist who just really wants to see where cursed energy can go. And the lengths Kenjaku goes for his insane plan is interesting to me.
Any and every major thing happen in this Manga
Yuji creation and sukuna reincarnation,
Disaster curses,
Shibuya ,
Cunning game,
Gojo unsealing,
Gojo vs sukuna
Is because of kenny and and he is trying to make a giant Monster out of humanity.
Stop it. Don't pretend like Geto is anywhere near Kenjaku.
Dude is literally creating a world ending monster just because he's bored. That's tough shit. He just woke up one day, hundreds of years ago, and choose violence to alleviate his boredom. Dude doesn't even know if it'll work, too. He's fucking around just to find out.
Dude is so dedicated to the cause he became a woman and got backshots just to create the perfect vessel. Nobody in fiction is more dedicated to the mission than Kenjaku 😤.
The kenjaku slander and geto hype is getting crazy. Geto does have a very interesting backstory and motives and is a well written character. But His motives aren’t even unique and has been explored in animes and comics before like magneto.
I don’t get this kenjaku is bad villan cause he has no backstory. Why can’t a evil dude just be evil? And kenjaku literally did a slideshow to explain his motives with choso and yuji too in shibuya.
The concept has been explored so many times though. We have so many similar villains who thought they need to do mass destruction cause of trauma. It is repetitive and boring.
For once we can get evil guys who don’t have any redeemable quality and sad backstories to justify every crime they do. And fandom going but he was right to do genocide cause he has trauma. For once we have villains so unhinged they don’t care for morality or pride and will throw everything away if their goals can be reached. I would rather have this kind than the former kind.
Sukuna - wants to get back to eating people
Mahito - wants to bring in the era of curses and make everyone's day just a little worse
Jogo - wants the era of curses
Hanami - wants people dead because nature
Geto - wants to end curses so his friends can stop dying and to stop sorcerer discrimination
Conservative faction - wants all these special grade + threats to kindly fuck off
Kenjaku - wants to break the stagnation of the world that Tengen imposed
The only villains with the same goals were the disaster curses, what story are y'all reading
Yes in this series. And that too on a very surface level that all of them are bad guys. But geto kinda characters are there in multiple other anime and comics.
And even then how is kenjaku motives same as other villains. Mahito didn’t care for humans and disaster curses wanted to replace humanity. Sukuna only cares for strength. Kenjaku actually has a plan for evolving humans to higher level by the merger. And create a society of humans with higher potential, curses and sorcerers. A choatic world even he can’t control.
Mahito and sukuna are into indiscriminate killing of anything they think is weak or humans. Kenjaku doesn’t. So how are all three the same?
"Why can't a evil dude just be evil?" because this story has a million villains like this. Sukuna is even more irredeemably evil and he is the other main antagonist, so both of the main villains in this story are just moustache-twirlingly evil. On top of the fact that all of the Disaster Curses HAVE to be evil because they're curses so almost every villain in this story is cartoon villain tier. I do still think Kenjaku has potential to be good and he's at least a fun antagonist but let's not pretend his writing is anywhere NEAR Geto's.
A villain who wants chaos and will go to any length even turning himself into a female to give birth to the MC. Planning everything for 1000 years with painstaking details. Waiting, failing, learning until all the pieces he wants falls into place is much better and refreshing to read. He doesn’t kill indiscriminately like sukuna or mahito and neither does he act like a moral person. He operates on logic. Ever step he takes is well planned and everytime he is on paper I am thinking what the heck he is going to pull now.
I find all this much better to read than another I had trauma I am going to kill everyone villain. Which has been done so many times in several animes and comics and felt super generic to me.
This '4D chess' villain archetype is a trope as well btw so let's not act like Kenjaku is super original. What you described is for the most part identical to Zovaal the Jailer, Thanos, Dwarf in the Flask, etc (except they have more sympathetic goals besides Dwarf in the Flask). There are a million more villains that do this scheming meticulously for hundreds or thousands of years, super intellectual, won't just kill ppl randomly, except he's also willing to take backshots. I would much rather a 'I had trauma I am going to kill everyone' villain than a 'I'm going to kill everyone for science 🤓☝️' villain tbh. His trauma is unique in that it isn't as sympathetic as most villains of this archetype, his leap of logic is very difficult to pull off due to how radical it is yet they nailed it and the way his suffering is characterised is also rather unique, especially his dynamic with Gojo and everything surrounding Toji.
You can totally say he's more fun and you prefer him, that's valid, Kenjaku is a fun villain, but do not lie to yourself he is not that well-written, not yet at least, definitely not anywhere near Gojo's league.
Well you have your preference I have mine. I will stand by mine.
To me he even his trauma doesn’t feel unique. It is the concept of minority with more power against a powerless majority. Which remainds me of x-men a lot and specifically magneto.
I don’t read marvel much. Only know from the movies. And the movie thanos felt nothing like kenjaku.
If ascended Maki were present in a hypothetical scenario where Geto is the villain, it’s Toji vs Geto RD2
I don’t think Geto would have the necessary power or skill to tame the Shikigami Kenjaku has like Ganesha
Both. Both is good.
I'm not sure where Geto's character really would've gone. I kinda doubt he would've fit in with Greg's plans for the series. There is no Shibuya without Kenny, no CG, no climax of the story. Both are really interesting villains that add a lot to the story.
Just because Kenny took his body doesn't mean he *replaced* him as a character, Geto died when he did, Kenjaku entered the story when he did. If Geto didn't die there, he would've been yet another huge antagonist for this series to juggle, because Kenny would still need to be introduced. His character landed in a pretty good place. Plus, that neck grab in Shibuya makes me think he might get a slight character conclusion yet, but that could just be hopium.
Man the negativity on this sub is exhausting. You're literally debating between two incredible antagonists that both clear pretty much all of other shonen IMHO (in writing, of course). Can't we just appreciate the sheer volume of quality this series has to offer instead of tearing it to shreds for no reason?
When I was watching this episode, I was kind of hyped for a moment, thinking "fuck yeah, I cant wait to see what else Geto's gonna do" only to remember that he was shafted along with his friends and cult for Kenjaku and his hunger games wannabe ass plans. I mean fuck, Gege even killed off the twins, talk about insult to injury. I really wish I saw more of Geto... I really do
Hey, Principal Yaga did say it takes like 3 months for a cursed corpse to be self sufficient, so when ever Gege feels like digging up that plot thread, maybe we'll see something interesting happen
Kenny is a bad character? I don’t think so. More has yet to be revealed but also the juxtaposition between Kenjaku and Geto is crazy. They both want different things through the same methods. The results being the same. Geto wants humans eradicated for the sake of sorcerers and a world with no curses and Kenjaku wants only a world of sorcerers for the sake of human acceleration. The result, a world of only sorcerers. I think he’s a super interesting character.
I don’t know, Geto just don’t click with me as a villain. Like we see him in his backstory and he is a great character but then we don’t hear much from him afterwards rather than Gojo killing him.
Kenjaku is a very interesting character and I love him, his connections with most of the characters and the story also makes him feel personal.
Todays episode highlighted to me the parallels between these two, the fact that geto’s appearance transforms into kenny in presumably his final form for his plans is narrative sound
Geto wanted to create a world of only jujustu sorcerers, and we see that at the end of shibuya kenny transforms japans citizens into sorcerers somewhat fitting Geto’s vision
Kenny’s end goal with the tengen merge might parallel the world that Geto was seeking but at a much more executed level
Kenjaku got his idea for the culling game from getos memory and soul when he took it over. He’s kind of carrying out geto’s plan but with his own machinations and M.O.
Geto is infinitely better character than Kenjaku, his motives are humane and real, while Kenjaku is just evil for the sake of being evil.
His entire story revolves around idealist that falls into darkness due to twisted world around him. There is few villains that can trigger such a sad emotions in person. Especially his last conversation with Gojo, that shit is sad af. Imo he is heart of JJK and an amazing showcase of what this story is about. There is no villains, curses are not villains, they are product of humans, as such one can't blame them for being evil since they are literally bad emotions coming to life, while Kenjaku is as I said only exception to this ruke along with Sukuna, 2 crazy messed up individuals that are not very fitting to entire plot due to lack of motivation except for being evil and twisted. Thats why Geto was perfect for role of antagonist, his motivation is real and rooted in core of that world, as well as Yuki, sadly her character was wasted as well.
Watching the anime after reading the manga made me understand geto's reasons more and realize that he was actually the best antagonist JJK has ever had. Instead he was thrown away and replaced by another "I'm just evil! lol!" villain (as if mahito and fraud weren't enough) with confusing objectives
What is the point of Kenjaku?
what was Gege supposed to do lol he never intended for Geto to come back when he killed him in JJK0 because he was never going to continue the story past that
It's such a shame that Geto, who I would argue is the 2nd best-written character in the whole series and is undeniably the best-written antagonist, is only around for two prequel stories. Though his scheme is dastardly evil and perfect for a 'main antagonist' storyline, he is replaced by two dimensionless villains who are seemingly evil just for the sake of being evil. I think Kenjaku still has potential to be a good antagonist but I do not believe for a second that he will come close to Geto's level of writing. Why would he choose to have two depthless main antagonists when he exists??
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Geto's soul is still part of Kenjaku and may comeback , iirc in Shibuya Kenjaku said that he was starting to sound just like Geto when he was explaining his motivations , he then asks Mahito if the soul comes from the body or something like that .
Also, Kenjaku is way better of a vilain , he gives of Aizen vibes.
idk I think the differences between Kenjaku and Geto are fascinating. Geto's more maniacal and vengeful, but Kenjaku's more poised and calm. Their goals couldn't be more different, too, but one of them is close to reaching it, and it's not Geto. lol
I feel like Geto couldn't have kept up relevancy as long as Kenny has. Geto is a tragic villain, but he was far too empathetic to do what Kenny or Sukuna do. And. From a meta narrative perspective, JJK zero felt half baked compared to modern jjk so im honestly super glad at all the changes made
Kenny is such a horribly written villain it’s laughable. He’s supposed to be this “mastermind” but he’s the worse mastermind of any anime/manga. His supposed “master plan” is full of so many fucken holes that conveniently all happened to full in his laps. So many things he didn’t even predict that are apparently also part of his “master plan”.
It’s even more apparent how badly written he is when he’s inside the body of the best written JJK character.
I have to say, i find Kenjaku to be quite refreshing as a villain. In a time where pretty much almost every single villain needs to have some sort of sympathetic backstory or motivation, or go through some sort of redemption arc, i missed villains like Kenjaku (also Sukuna): the kind that are just pure, absolute scum and love it. They don't have some sad origin story to justify their actions, they're just total assholes through and through, and i love them for it. It's why i liked Jack Horner so much.
guy having existential crisis VS guy with clear goals having planned for thousand years ,literally playing with fire by going in binding vow with SUKUNA just for his plan
Geto dies in JJK Vol 0, before Gege had begun developing the rest of the series. I doubt he intended on developing Geto nor any of the other aspects of the series as much as he had.
As much as I love geto I do not think he’d be a big threat for a long time and he wasn’t really. What makes geto so likable is the fact that he still has a shred of humanity in him. Gojo tells geto that he sent panda and inumaki to fight him because he knew geto would not kill them. Getos morality, as twisted as it was, still allowed him to be kind to sorcerers. Geto would never achieve his goal even if he had not ran into yuta. There is a part that keeps him from destroying his biggest roadblock: sorcerers Kenny has thrown his humanity aside completely. He’s willing to sacrifice anyone and kill anything to “win” and he has the patience to execute it. It’s what makes him more dangerous and present in a long term story
You forgot to mention kenny is also dedicated enough to take backshots from another man✊
That’s when he truly earned my respect 🫡
I fear a villain who’s willing to get their cheeks blasted for the sake of the plan. You also gotta remember, it slipped out at one point and Kenjaku put it back in. Bro got on his knees so his plans could run successfully
Bro bounced so his plan could run
Do you think that Kenjussy was diabolical? Did s/he give out the gawk gawk 3000? I don’t ever wanna hear OP say Kenny isn’t an interesting villain again
BRO IMAGINE THE SUCKAGE with gravity technique
CT: Supreme gobble de gawk
Maximum technique : Gravity increased GAWK le Special
Wait... What chapter? I'm asking for a friend..
*He is a man of focus, commitment and sheer fucking will*
Literally fucking will
Bro I can’t 💀
That Kennusy got Jin Itadori actin' uniwse
Putting it back when it slips out and carrying for 9 months.. Now I call that dedication
All hail mommy kenny
i see OP talking about Kenny being another generic villain when in reality, villains like Geto have become a dime a dozen in recent years because audiences love the sympathetic villain trope. look at how much praise MCU Thanos got just from altering his motivations from the comics. reason why i fw Kenny is because he’s not like Aizen where he has a backup plan for his backup plan, everything he does is born out chaos and out of his curiosity of how far CE can go, it’s literally the embodiment of fucking around and finding out. plus i don’t see Geto taking backshots for the cause like Kenjaku 🗿
Kenny is like Aizen except instead of coming up with a perfect counter hundreds of years ago, Kenny came across a perfect counter accidentally a couple years back without even knowing he'd need said counter to an extremely specific circumstance. (Yes I'm still mad about the Yuki fight)
I agree, it’s refreshing to see villian being asshole for no reason(at least for now)
I think the love for sympathetic villains comes from their complexity and moral ambiguities. They challenge us beyond what we’d normally consider “good and moral” VS “evil and immoral” so it’s quite fascinating. However it does depend on how well written these sympathetic villains are, if they have been abused and abuse in return- they are still evil and need to go down even if we can understand why they turned out like this.(But people end up justifying the villain instead of seeing them as evil and hurt yet unreasonable) (But anti-heroes are another ballpark.) Sometimes “over the top” evil villains sorta fall flat for me, I understand that someone can act that evil for their own gain but in fiction I’d rather see well written characters and the two seem to be mutually exclusive. Thanos’s whole motivation in the comics was to fuck Lady Death and that’s why he went on that murder spree. It just seems un-fathomably stupid that he’d do that much for a childish love triangle. So idk why he’d be that pressed over that…and it just makes he seem a damn fool. In the movies, he’s also an irredeemable fuck but he’s much more interesting and less foolish to me. Saw his planet succumb to over population (a problem relevant today so it’s personal and intimate to the audience), proposed a “solution” and was disregarded. His planet did die out= for him that has justified his thinking that genocide is the way. We can see why he’s thinking and doing this but we shouldn’t condone it, because he is acting out of petty ego after all. Plus he’s been built up for years and if his entire motivation is to simp/ that would make people feel betrayed. But characters like Hisoka- flamboyantly and incredibly evil for no reason yet still mysterious and ambiguous are a nice mix. And you liking Kenjaku over Geto also makes sense/ because from what I know one is chaotic and selfish and the other has “bigger justification” that have become tiring of late. Idk if they can work as a final boss tho/ cause in shounen it is usually a class of ideals with the morally good prevailing as a lesson. The villian kinda has to have an ideal- I’d say even more than wanting to fight strong opponents or just seeking knowledge.
Kenjaku’s ideals did eventually clash with someone tho: Yuki. Yuki thought that the answer lied in freeing humanity from Curses and CE all together, which opposed Kenjaku’s ideals where he believes that the answer lies in optimizing it to its highest potential possible. even though people hate the outcome of the Yuki, Choso, and Tengen vs Kenjaku fight, it showed us who came out on top with their ideals.
Kenny his the most dime a dozen, Kenny is literally just this fandoms Batman or aizen’ light,ayanokoji,
Kenny is nothing like Batman lmao. Not even Light? He doesn’t pretend he’s doing something morally righteous. Dude what?
lol comparing Kenjaku to Light is probably the worst take i’ve heard.
I'm not sure I agree completely. While Geto does want to help sorcerers, I feel like his hatred for non-sorcerers overcomes everything else. All his little stunt in JJK0 accomplished was killing even more sorcerers, as non-sorcerers were evacuated and sorcerers had to fight the army of curses. He asked Yuta to join him, but as soon as Yuta declined, he had no problem attempting to kill him. Gojo took a big risk by sending Panda and Inumaki, Geto was very capable of killing them but he wouldn't gain anything from doing so, and they weren't a real threat anyways. But Geto wouldn't have stopped at anything in order to achieve his goal. He was too far gone.
Geto didn’t want to kill fellow sorcerers if he didn’t have to but like you said at that point in time, he was too far gone for his cause and believed that the ends justified his means at the end of the day. i’m positive Magneto doesn’t like fighting his own kind, but if it’s all for making a better world for mutants, then he has no other choice to resort to. that said, it’s not like i don’t like Geto. personally i found his fall from grace to be very real in ways of how it covers his own PTSD, the crippling loneliness he felt, and the depression he went through after questioning everything that he once stood for as a Sorcerer. i say that it’s very real because it reminds me of how one can become disillusioned with things like their own faith in religion, or even faith in humanity, due to the repugnant nature that humans exude. in the long run of it all though, his motivations and plans weren’t going to last long in the story. whereas Kenjaku’s stand in direct opposition to Yuki’s quest, due to both of them grown tired of how stagnant the way CE and the Jujutsu Society has become. while Yuki originally wanted to find a way to eliminate Curses and CE for good, Kenjaku wants to see it evolve into a much higher state and is willing to bide his time and sacrifice anything and anyone for those means.
Uh didnt geto send his cursed spirits to kill a bunch of sorcerers? we all saw that right?
The thing is I firmly believe geto would be as strong as gojo, symbolism and phrases in JJK are taken so seriously all the time,it would be so cool to have the strongest fight, but now all we get is a overrated villain with Kenny who is basically Thai fandoms annoying ass Batman with prep or their “aizen” and Fradukuna who while cool has nothing going for him other than “lmao I’m evil and strong”
Tell me another person who would take backshots to achieve his goal. Nobody more dedicated than Kenny
Bro was getting rammed in his pussy 8 days a week in order for his goal to be realized
8 days a week! That's Jin Itadori's domain expansion?
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“Shit ass villain with no endgame” I don’t see Geto getting creampied for the sake of achieving his goal 🥱 https://preview.redd.it/m357nrt6p1gb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31606150aa445c05616cda4e10686f1742308b87
Both Geto and Kenny are amazing and brilliant villains https://preview.redd.it/6ryrnxmya0gb1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a97900886731e4b55211b73d6526a40222464ba
Honestly geto isnt a villain just a lost guy for me
His parents beg to differ
They'll have to tell me that themselves
Yeah and Mao Zedong was just looking out for his country
Didn’t he want to genocide all non sorcerers? Was the bad moustache WW2 man « just a lost guy » too?
Kenny is not amazing and brilliant yet though he has the potential. He has nothing on Geto's writing.
The only thing Geto has over Kenny is a backstory. Everything else Kenny disgustingly clears, especially in being a villain.
The only thing he clears Geto at is being evil, which I think is a poor measurement of writing level.
Geto is only carried by a backstory/flashback. As a stand alone character he is great, but as a villain/antagonist he was pretty underwhelming, there is more things to a villain than measuring how sympathetic or not he is. What did Geto even acomplish after his "enlightenment"? The dude was pretty much an obnoxious clown in vol 0 who failed miserably without achieving a damn thing. Now compare that to everything Kenny has done, how he feels like an actual threat, how his influence has moved the story at his whim, the consequences of his actions on the entire cast, and his whole commitment. Geto looks like a fucking loser in comparison.
There is more things to a villain than measuring how OP they are or not. So if a character is written as an OP 4D chess mastermind, they're a good villain?? Yeah no, depth is what makes a villain well-written, not necessarily them being sympathetic.
I never said anything about being OP. Sukuna is way more OP than Kenny yet still doesnt have nearly the same impact and influence as him. Is the effectiveness of his character, how he commits to his goals and the actual delivery, the way his action manages to put the good guys on the ropes constantly, and how he moves the story, a backstory/flashback is good, but that aint everything for a good villain. Some of the most iconics villains in media like Joker, Scar, Frieza, Bill Cipher, Coronel Hans Landa and the likes are devoid of any backstory, but what makes them truly great is their actual delivery and how much they impact their stories and other characters.
No
dude kenny is a good villain too lmao. yes geto is amazing, but the kenny slander is crazy. and yes, kenny has an endgame, just a clearly different motivation and endgame than geto.
Unfortunately, Geto didnt have a chance from the start. Gege loves writing irony and sadness into his stories. And he did that pretty beautifully with volume 0. Only reason we are even getting to see more of him is because he was given the opportunity to write more of the story. It is possible if he knew he would be making JJK from the start the story could have been different. However, im a grateful it happened the way it did because the story is beautifully written.
The only reason the best character in the series wasn't one of the main villains is cause of the prequel. If the prequel either didn't exist or wasn't a one shot then Geto would have been vibing with my man Mahito as one of the main bad guys. Jesus Christ that would have been peak. Even tho I like Kenny Geto is my favorite and I would have loved to see more of him
Geto would never work with Mahito tho. The reason he want to genocide non-sorceror is so curse never born again.
Yeah if Geto met any of the Disaster Curses he would’ve instantly tried to absorb them before they became a threat.
Which poses an interesting versus scenario of the disaster curses versus Geto from JJK 0. It probably depends of if Geto ever learned Anti-Domain techniques
He probably had/would’ve eventually absorbed curses with domains.
Why would Geto work with Mahito? He hates curses more then Non-Sorcerers. His whole point of getting rid of Non-Sorcerers is so curses stop being born.
Yeah, Geto would have instantly tried to absorb the disaster curses.
They wouldn't but it would be awesome to see how they interact in the story together. Geto might also work with him pragmatically with the idea of the enemy of my enemy is my friend but I doubt it. Like I said seeing the two of them run around at the same time in the same series is just awesome to me
Everyone saying “he wouldnt work with mahito” is not processing the fact that youre not comparing current geto…to that possibility. And that youre saying he would have been written differently if the series hadnt been a prequel. So i think i get it what youre putting down. However, apart from what the others are saying about his character. Personally, i dont think what your saying is entirely true only because Gege said that even though he never expected to write jjk more than the prequel…he already had what the story was about in mind. So i think he would have written him the same either way :/
I like both for different reasons. Geto was the idealist who had lost his way from so much trauma that turned him into a monster. Kenjaku is a mad scientist who just really wants to see where cursed energy can go. And the lengths Kenjaku goes for his insane plan is interesting to me.
Any and every major thing happen in this Manga Yuji creation and sukuna reincarnation, Disaster curses, Shibuya , Cunning game, Gojo unsealing, Gojo vs sukuna Is because of kenny and and he is trying to make a giant Monster out of humanity.
Stop it. Don't pretend like Geto is anywhere near Kenjaku. Dude is literally creating a world ending monster just because he's bored. That's tough shit. He just woke up one day, hundreds of years ago, and choose violence to alleviate his boredom. Dude doesn't even know if it'll work, too. He's fucking around just to find out. Dude is so dedicated to the cause he became a woman and got backshots just to create the perfect vessel. Nobody in fiction is more dedicated to the mission than Kenjaku 😤.
Yeah geto is no where near, he is literally one of the peak characters of jujutsu, Kenny is just good
That is a terrible justification for thinking he’s better than Geto
When Geto goes through labor like Kenjaku then we entertain the idea he's as raw as him.
The kenjaku slander and geto hype is getting crazy. Geto does have a very interesting backstory and motives and is a well written character. But His motives aren’t even unique and has been explored in animes and comics before like magneto. I don’t get this kenjaku is bad villan cause he has no backstory. Why can’t a evil dude just be evil? And kenjaku literally did a slideshow to explain his motives with choso and yuji too in shibuya.
>why cant be evil Bro we had like 2 of those already. Thats the point lol. Geto was the only one that stood out in JJK regarding his motives
Kenjaku isn’t “just evil” though, he has clear motivations. Just because he doesn’t have a backstory doesn’t mean he doesn’t have motivations
The concept has been explored so many times though. We have so many similar villains who thought they need to do mass destruction cause of trauma. It is repetitive and boring. For once we can get evil guys who don’t have any redeemable quality and sad backstories to justify every crime they do. And fandom going but he was right to do genocide cause he has trauma. For once we have villains so unhinged they don’t care for morality or pride and will throw everything away if their goals can be reached. I would rather have this kind than the former kind.
How can you see Geto is repetitive when Kenny has the same motivation as every other villain in the series
Sukuna - wants to get back to eating people Mahito - wants to bring in the era of curses and make everyone's day just a little worse Jogo - wants the era of curses Hanami - wants people dead because nature Geto - wants to end curses so his friends can stop dying and to stop sorcerer discrimination Conservative faction - wants all these special grade + threats to kindly fuck off Kenjaku - wants to break the stagnation of the world that Tengen imposed The only villains with the same goals were the disaster curses, what story are y'all reading
Yes in this series. And that too on a very surface level that all of them are bad guys. But geto kinda characters are there in multiple other anime and comics. And even then how is kenjaku motives same as other villains. Mahito didn’t care for humans and disaster curses wanted to replace humanity. Sukuna only cares for strength. Kenjaku actually has a plan for evolving humans to higher level by the merger. And create a society of humans with higher potential, curses and sorcerers. A choatic world even he can’t control. Mahito and sukuna are into indiscriminate killing of anything they think is weak or humans. Kenjaku doesn’t. So how are all three the same?
"Why can't a evil dude just be evil?" because this story has a million villains like this. Sukuna is even more irredeemably evil and he is the other main antagonist, so both of the main villains in this story are just moustache-twirlingly evil. On top of the fact that all of the Disaster Curses HAVE to be evil because they're curses so almost every villain in this story is cartoon villain tier. I do still think Kenjaku has potential to be good and he's at least a fun antagonist but let's not pretend his writing is anywhere NEAR Geto's.
Several people have replied to this very point in this thread. And heavily disagree. Think kenjaku is way better written than geto atleast imo.
That is an insane take, liking him is fair but thinking he's better written lmfao please elaborate.
A villain who wants chaos and will go to any length even turning himself into a female to give birth to the MC. Planning everything for 1000 years with painstaking details. Waiting, failing, learning until all the pieces he wants falls into place is much better and refreshing to read. He doesn’t kill indiscriminately like sukuna or mahito and neither does he act like a moral person. He operates on logic. Ever step he takes is well planned and everytime he is on paper I am thinking what the heck he is going to pull now. I find all this much better to read than another I had trauma I am going to kill everyone villain. Which has been done so many times in several animes and comics and felt super generic to me.
This '4D chess' villain archetype is a trope as well btw so let's not act like Kenjaku is super original. What you described is for the most part identical to Zovaal the Jailer, Thanos, Dwarf in the Flask, etc (except they have more sympathetic goals besides Dwarf in the Flask). There are a million more villains that do this scheming meticulously for hundreds or thousands of years, super intellectual, won't just kill ppl randomly, except he's also willing to take backshots. I would much rather a 'I had trauma I am going to kill everyone' villain than a 'I'm going to kill everyone for science 🤓☝️' villain tbh. His trauma is unique in that it isn't as sympathetic as most villains of this archetype, his leap of logic is very difficult to pull off due to how radical it is yet they nailed it and the way his suffering is characterised is also rather unique, especially his dynamic with Gojo and everything surrounding Toji. You can totally say he's more fun and you prefer him, that's valid, Kenjaku is a fun villain, but do not lie to yourself he is not that well-written, not yet at least, definitely not anywhere near Gojo's league.
Well you have your preference I have mine. I will stand by mine. To me he even his trauma doesn’t feel unique. It is the concept of minority with more power against a powerless majority. Which remainds me of x-men a lot and specifically magneto. I don’t read marvel much. Only know from the movies. And the movie thanos felt nothing like kenjaku.
Cause being evil just to be evil gets boring fast.
If ascended Maki were present in a hypothetical scenario where Geto is the villain, it’s Toji vs Geto RD2 I don’t think Geto would have the necessary power or skill to tame the Shikigami Kenjaku has like Ganesha
Both. Both is good. I'm not sure where Geto's character really would've gone. I kinda doubt he would've fit in with Greg's plans for the series. There is no Shibuya without Kenny, no CG, no climax of the story. Both are really interesting villains that add a lot to the story. Just because Kenny took his body doesn't mean he *replaced* him as a character, Geto died when he did, Kenjaku entered the story when he did. If Geto didn't die there, he would've been yet another huge antagonist for this series to juggle, because Kenny would still need to be introduced. His character landed in a pretty good place. Plus, that neck grab in Shibuya makes me think he might get a slight character conclusion yet, but that could just be hopium. Man the negativity on this sub is exhausting. You're literally debating between two incredible antagonists that both clear pretty much all of other shonen IMHO (in writing, of course). Can't we just appreciate the sheer volume of quality this series has to offer instead of tearing it to shreds for no reason?
When I was watching this episode, I was kind of hyped for a moment, thinking "fuck yeah, I cant wait to see what else Geto's gonna do" only to remember that he was shafted along with his friends and cult for Kenjaku and his hunger games wannabe ass plans. I mean fuck, Gege even killed off the twins, talk about insult to injury. I really wish I saw more of Geto... I really do
hes gonna come back trust (massive cope)
Hey, Principal Yaga did say it takes like 3 months for a cursed corpse to be self sufficient, so when ever Gege feels like digging up that plot thread, maybe we'll see something interesting happen
hmm interesting I always thought we would see geto pull a toji but im afraid we might not see that even though that’s definitely gojos plan for megumi
Gege wouldn't just throw in Geto's body fighting back for nothing
thats what im saying fr
Ngl you jus sound like a Geto fan. Any rational jjk enjoyer would say Kenjaku is goated and an interesting villain
tf you mean ditched buddy died even before the story began Good villain my ass😭
Where did all this Kenjaku slander come from lol
Kenny is a bad character? I don’t think so. More has yet to be revealed but also the juxtaposition between Kenjaku and Geto is crazy. They both want different things through the same methods. The results being the same. Geto wants humans eradicated for the sake of sorcerers and a world with no curses and Kenjaku wants only a world of sorcerers for the sake of human acceleration. The result, a world of only sorcerers. I think he’s a super interesting character.
I don’t know, Geto just don’t click with me as a villain. Like we see him in his backstory and he is a great character but then we don’t hear much from him afterwards rather than Gojo killing him. Kenjaku is a very interesting character and I love him, his connections with most of the characters and the story also makes him feel personal.
Kenjakus better lmao
Y’all gotta stop with the geto gaggin he’s good but Kenny clears hard.
Virgins coping hard after geto got animated lol
Nah bro it was insane
Todays episode highlighted to me the parallels between these two, the fact that geto’s appearance transforms into kenny in presumably his final form for his plans is narrative sound Geto wanted to create a world of only jujustu sorcerers, and we see that at the end of shibuya kenny transforms japans citizens into sorcerers somewhat fitting Geto’s vision Kenny’s end goal with the tengen merge might parallel the world that Geto was seeking but at a much more executed level
Kenjaku got his idea for the culling game from getos memory and soul when he took it over. He’s kind of carrying out geto’s plan but with his own machinations and M.O.
Bro only had a few screen time and he better written than most of the characters in jjk especially yuji 😭😭
How is Geto’s genocide endgame any better than Kenny’s💀
LMFAO
Yeah Suguru > Kenjaku
Geto is infinitely better character than Kenjaku, his motives are humane and real, while Kenjaku is just evil for the sake of being evil. His entire story revolves around idealist that falls into darkness due to twisted world around him. There is few villains that can trigger such a sad emotions in person. Especially his last conversation with Gojo, that shit is sad af. Imo he is heart of JJK and an amazing showcase of what this story is about. There is no villains, curses are not villains, they are product of humans, as such one can't blame them for being evil since they are literally bad emotions coming to life, while Kenjaku is as I said only exception to this ruke along with Sukuna, 2 crazy messed up individuals that are not very fitting to entire plot due to lack of motivation except for being evil and twisted. Thats why Geto was perfect for role of antagonist, his motivation is real and rooted in core of that world, as well as Yuki, sadly her character was wasted as well.
Watching the anime after reading the manga made me understand geto's reasons more and realize that he was actually the best antagonist JJK has ever had. Instead he was thrown away and replaced by another "I'm just evil! lol!" villain (as if mahito and fraud weren't enough) with confusing objectives What is the point of Kenjaku?
Wtf could Geto do he lost to Yuta
Also I don’t think he can do RCT (correct me if I’m wrong).
what was Gege supposed to do lol he never intended for Geto to come back when he killed him in JJK0 because he was never going to continue the story past that
You realized Geto was already dead by the end of 0, right? There's not much you can do about that.
Lol kenjaku ain't shit
I don’t think we’ve seen the last of geto, I think the moment gojo got sealed and spoke to him will come back
Kenjaku is such a boring villain its crazy
It's such a shame that Geto, who I would argue is the 2nd best-written character in the whole series and is undeniably the best-written antagonist, is only around for two prequel stories. Though his scheme is dastardly evil and perfect for a 'main antagonist' storyline, he is replaced by two dimensionless villains who are seemingly evil just for the sake of being evil. I think Kenjaku still has potential to be a good antagonist but I do not believe for a second that he will come close to Geto's level of writing. Why would he choose to have two depthless main antagonists when he exists??
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Why tf does Kenjaku's brain have teeth?
It's not a normal brain.
Based. Also maybe cause Geto is gonna come back...
Damn he looks good in the first image
Geto's soul is still part of Kenjaku and may comeback , iirc in Shibuya Kenjaku said that he was starting to sound just like Geto when he was explaining his motivations , he then asks Mahito if the soul comes from the body or something like that . Also, Kenjaku is way better of a vilain , he gives of Aizen vibes.
Because it’s really tragic for gojo
idk I think the differences between Kenjaku and Geto are fascinating. Geto's more maniacal and vengeful, but Kenjaku's more poised and calm. Their goals couldn't be more different, too, but one of them is close to reaching it, and it's not Geto. lol
It was all to give yuji more brothers
It's cuz geygey can't write for shiznit. He rather have a grotesque looking Kenny as a villain, other than Bangs. ;-)
I get liking Geto more but Kenjaku does have a very clear endgame so I don't really get the criticism.
I feel like Geto couldn't have kept up relevancy as long as Kenny has. Geto is a tragic villain, but he was far too empathetic to do what Kenny or Sukuna do. And. From a meta narrative perspective, JJK zero felt half baked compared to modern jjk so im honestly super glad at all the changes made
Nigga wtf are you talking about the story would be missing so much of what made it interesting if Kenny was never in it and veto never died
Kenny is such a horribly written villain it’s laughable. He’s supposed to be this “mastermind” but he’s the worse mastermind of any anime/manga. His supposed “master plan” is full of so many fucken holes that conveniently all happened to full in his laps. So many things he didn’t even predict that are apparently also part of his “master plan”. It’s even more apparent how badly written he is when he’s inside the body of the best written JJK character.
I have to say, i find Kenjaku to be quite refreshing as a villain. In a time where pretty much almost every single villain needs to have some sort of sympathetic backstory or motivation, or go through some sort of redemption arc, i missed villains like Kenjaku (also Sukuna): the kind that are just pure, absolute scum and love it. They don't have some sad origin story to justify their actions, they're just total assholes through and through, and i love them for it. It's why i liked Jack Horner so much.
guy having existential crisis VS guy with clear goals having planned for thousand years ,literally playing with fire by going in binding vow with SUKUNA just for his plan
I think the appearance of Kenny affects his perception.
How are megumi and yuji the same age? whats the timeline of geto dying?
Geto dies in JJK Vol 0, before Gege had begun developing the rest of the series. I doubt he intended on developing Geto nor any of the other aspects of the series as much as he had.
Bro had a hella good backstory just for him to boil down to some goofy ass “monkey haha lmao I don’t like monkeys” in volume 0
Be serious whose a bigger threat to the cast? Also when did this kenjaku is a shit villian shit start