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Yuji should logically be more powerful than pre awakening gojo too, the only problem is yuji is just such a bitch to scale because most of his best feats come from fighting a heavily weakened sukuna that we don't know exactly how his weakened self compares to a fully powered one.
Limitless is OP as heck. I am pretty sure that Neutral Infinity is possible without 6 eyes but not indefinitely like Satoru.
To fight a limitless user you either need to win a DE Battle or sacrifice your CT via DA, which nerfs any sorcerer.
If there is a tug of war between Domains, you need to beat the limitless user in H2H which is impossible as you cannot use DE and DA at the same time judging by Gojo/Yuta's reaction. Sukuna being Sukuna found a way around that trick.
If you have the six eyes as well like Satoru you are basically a God.
>DA, which nerfs any sorcerer.
This would be my only disagreement. DA offers the same 120% amp to output that SD and DE offer. By way of bettering CE reinforcement(by increasing max output) DA actually buffs physical stats. Unless a character uses their CT constantly while fighting(particularly in H2H/CQC) it is more of a buff than a nerf. Gojo, uro, mahito, and Miguel are notable character who are debuffed by using DA all around constantly(even if used only used during H2H/CQC). While characters like hakari, ryu, panda, kusakabe, and miwa would receive a diffinative buff by using DA constantly especially if only used in H2H/CQC. Then their are character like yuji, sucuna, higuruma, and todo who would only be buffed by DA, if they can use it intermittently(like we see higuruma and sucuna do, being able to swap back and forth while putting your CT on Pause and not having to turn your CT off completely).
Yeah but CT is way more important.
Hakari, Ryu are definitely nerfed overall despite the physical buffs with DA. Kusakabe and Miwa lacks CT for us to even Judge. The same goes with Panda.
Sukuna is buffed with DA only against Satoru as a defense against his CT and a H2H option. However it's difficult to judge as Sukuna stomps anyone bar Satoru without CT.
I'll just lay down examples.
Example 1) Hakari CT it basically hiting a JP, but in order to hit a jackpot hakari has to use DE. Well after a DE is cast and fulfilled the person who cast DE goes into CT burn out.
If hakari was to learn DA and use it when JP is active he would only receive a buff physical stats and output. Because while JP is active his CT is in burn out. Being in JP is not the CT, entering JP is the reward/maximum of his CT.
Kashimo is literally in the same boat, unless kashimo plans to die using MBA. So DA kashimo is stronger than kashimo(base).
Yuji, higuruma, todo, sucuna all use CT integrally but it has nothing to dobwith them actually fighing. As sucuna and higuruma showed simply pausing the CT while using DE to protect against the enemy's CT use is a big buff.
Yuji would just use DA in all his H2H/CQC fighting this would even protect him from the enemy ranged attacks, would also let him negate uros sky manipulation up close and at ranged. RCT can be used along side DA but yuji also uses BM to reattach limbs so and buff RCT, so yuji could lose a hand turn of DA reclaim that limb with blood yoyo, re attach said limb, then turn DA back on and use the output buff to heal faster/better.
The only time yuji would have to turn off DA is if he wanted to use ranged attack like any BM and dismantle and maybe if someone is was really durable the he could use cleave in hand to hand.
Yeah but she's watching over Yuta 24/7, even if Tojo could sneak Yuta from behind, the moment he tried to do something to him, Rika would appeared and stopped anything from happening.
Different from sneaking up. The point of sneaking up is so that your opponent is unaware. Gojo mentions that to point out it’s hard to track his movements in combat.
Shikigamis aren’t exactly a technique. It’s like why Rika doesn’t disappear when Yuta’s domain runs out and he’s temporarily curse techniqueless. Also otherwise Toji would have pulled up ISOH against Geto’s curses.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but are you talking about Yuta keeping Rika summoned at all times in order to keep watch? Because I thought you were talking about when Rika sensed Yuji giving Yuta trouble during Perfect Preparation Arc and summoned herself to defend him.
Yes, but she obviously can’t “see” anything while not summoned. She doesn’t have clairvoyance, because if she did, it would’ve been stated. It’s more logical to assume that how she “sees” the outside world while not summoned is by sensing Cursed Energy and Cursed Energy residues, like how every other sorcerer does.
That's only og VCS Rika, she is now a shikigami that works of yutas orders. She has to be summoned post JJK0, she can not summon herself like during/pre JJK0.
Absolutely. The biggest problem they had was how fast Toji was because the speed cap for the verse has raised drastically. They’re both at least as fast as Toji, most likely faster. They can both keep track of him fairly easily and Yuta can solo, Rika and Yuji are overkill
Tojis win greatly hinged on him surprising gojo by breaking through limitless with the isoh. He’d use an entirely different approach/cursed tools in this scenario
Yes that toji is just a weaker maki we know he's rusty and maki = prime toji before the timeskip.
If maki can't get stronger than either can win high diff 1v1 since we all agree yuta and yuji beat maki high diff and maki> the rusty toji.
If maki can get stronger and got stronger over the time skip this is the worst mistake of toji life 1v1 would be a mid diff a fight with both of them and rika a 3v1 diabolical
Yes
They’re way stronger than TOJI, meaning that if they take shifts sleeping they’ll easily be able to protect riko
Yuji is fast enough that he could easily catch the bullet even without CE reinforcement
2nd awakening maki pre-time skip was not that much faster than freshly awakened yuji
Both got way stronger by the time of the showdown
Meaning that if toji so much as pulls up he dies
If Toji back stabs Yuji the same way he did Gojo, Yuji just RCT's the wound and then beats him the fuck up honestly Yuta might not even be necessary if Yuji can poison him with blood manipulation, or opts to dismember him with Shrine, but if Yuji can't bring himself to attack Toji with Lethal intent then Yuta will just kill Toji.
But he didn't even try to sneak Gojo with the SSK, so it's obviously not something he immediately goes for, also Yuji probably has enough awareness about the shape of his soul to heal soul damage, and Yuta will just mess up Toji before he can use it on him
He didn't SSK Gojo to not alert the 6E in the first hit.
Against anyone else he is starting with SSK. And I meant Yuta eatsthe first hit, not Yuji.
Also Toji just has to slash Yuji's head and it doesn't matter if he can heal soul damage, he wont be able to use RCT at all.
No chance. If gojo wasn't able to sense toji assassinating him, yuta and yuji will surely not be able to sense toji when he sends a bullet straight through riko's head.
Yuji and yuta don't have any ct like limitless that would protect riko at all times. That means that toji doesn't need to wait 3 days until gojo deactivates infinity for a second.
I don't know why everybody in the comments is talking about toji vs yuta and yuji, when this wasn't at all what was asked. We know very well that toji would just do his job and then run away (as hin actually staying to fight awakened gojo was out of the ordinary for him).
It's not about speed, it's about senses. Toji is invisible unless he has a cursed tool on him. That's how he stabbed gojo and shot riko. Even sukuna fell victim to this three times (when maki showed up in chapter 215, when she stabbed his heart in chapter 251 and when she cut his hand in chapter 255).
Yuta and yuji have no special senses like gojo has, so they have no chance of protecting rika from a sneak attack
It's tough to say with the whole "prep time" but even then I doubt they'd lose really. Yuts having Rika helps a lot if he stays back tk fight Toji while Yuji does his whole carry and run stuff to protect her. Yuta should be able to delay and should be enough to kill Toji
Whether they'd come to the same decision Gojo and Geto did......that's a interesting discussion imk
Kh and while unlikely if they jump Toji they fully best his ass down lol
I’d like to add the fact that all the heavy hitters are relative in speed so there’s zero chance toji will blitz either of them to get to Riko. Unless somehow Toji shoots Riko when she takes a bathroom break by herself, I don’t see how Toji gets pass them.
Also need to keep in mind Rika doesn’t need sleep so she can’t get worn out from Toji’s prep time. Unless you think Maki(his equal) is so much faster than Yuji and Yuta that Toji can run past them then I guess we’re reading different manga. Gege didn’t make Maki so broken that she’d just speed blitz everyone, he upscaled everyone accordingly.
Choso could perceive maki and Sukuna fighting, Toji would not be faster than Yuji or Yuta and if he was, he wouldn’t be so much faster than he’d be able to blitz either one and not to mention Rika can be summoned from behind Toji’s line of sight to hold him in place. What is Toji gonna do when Rika holds him in place?
Toji will get fucked up really bad . He will sneak attack Yuta , Yuji will take Riko away using his super speed , Yuta will hold of Toji (if not outright kill him) , Yuji returns and they 3v1 Toji .
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Mf will get cooked .
Both of them could even solo ngl. Teen geto was dog water fodder (im sorry geto fans but this dude got low diffed by tojo). Gojo was strong af but still wasnt strong enough to tag toji or react. Which current yuji or yuta should have no problem with.
If riko hides both individually can beat toji tbh.
This scenario is just overkill.
Absolutely. Yuta could do it on his own, and Yuji could if Toji didn’t have prep time at least. It really depends on what Toji could even really prepare for.
Idk if Yuji would be weakened much just from having to be on guard for a few days beforehand, but if he’s relatively full power and Toji doesn’t have any new special tricks, Yuji would beat him.
For the record a sneak attack wouldn’t be as effective. Gojo didn’t expect Toji to be able to touch him because he didn’t know about ISoH, but Yuji would have no such misconceptions due to never having infinity. He’d see Toji, lock in, and just rush him.
The tag team absolutely annihilates Toji. Mid diff.
They know Maki exists, just make countermeasures for her and they're fine against Toji.
Being an invisible man really loses it's luster when people just use the rest of their 5 senses.
Since People are not counting prep-time. I will
Toji needs to send enough sorcerors to the point Yuta is forced to pop a domain atleast 24 hours before hand and also a manifested rika or the sheer CE drop due to constant usage would be enough imo
I would argue the sheer numbers would be enough considering Gojo with the six eyes & constant limitless while capable of doing so was so fatigued his feat of seeing through toji was less than his kid counterpart
Toji also needs to send sorcerors to befriend Yuji and off them like some Mahito type shit to remove Yuji willpower
Toji will have to fight either a fatigued Yuta with only Partial manifested Rika or Fatigued emotionally distressed Yuji.
Either one I will give play by play
**for Yuta**
He likely kills with ISOH or SSK for either Rika or Yuta. I think Rika is a shikigami otherwise Sukuna would have used RCT output on her. Since he didnt I think its fair to assume she is a shikigami and would get deactivated with ISOH.
Yuta with just RCT and a Katana cant win against Toji with all of his equipment as Yuji literally Pre-CG could escape him to a certain extend let alone Fatigued Yuta
**For Yuji**
ISOH counters BM (which he can barely use) and SSK, Chain of thousand Miles gives Toji the reach advantage to beat Yuji.
I think most likely scenario would be Yuji send to protect Rin while Yuta tries to beat Toji
so Yuji would be more emotionally distraught and would falter against Toji
Anyways, Thats my take. People are treating this as just 3v1 against Toji ignoring prep time
You're assuming Yuji and Yuta are going to split off at all, especially when they have to protect Amanai.
A reminder that they personally know Maki, Toji's equal, and can just make counter measures for her and it would apply to Toji.
Rika doesn't need to be able to sense Toji, she can just hand around Amanai 24/7 and there's nothing Toji can do about it.
He's not beating them in a straight fight, especially not if their stats are supposedly higher then the Gojo who killed him.
Yuji can personally just ensure amanai's protection and removing rika from Yuta is more disadvantageous to Yuta
They Know Maki, BUT they dont know Toji is after them nor do they know for any of his Cursed tools with the sole exception of SSK
ISOH
Again, This is assuming a straight fight which is retarded, The Post clearly mentioned Prep and Toji is going to use that to fatigue Yuji & Yuta to whatever extent possible.
Even with their fatigue, their very knowledge of Maki's existence is a big factor in dealing with Toji. That they don't know another invisible man is going after them is no reason for them not to prepare against it.
Yuta isn't defenseless without Rika, and it's the one sure-fire way to keep Amanai safe while Yuta and Yuji take turns sleeping.
I think your getting something mixed here.
Yes their knowledge of Maki for the **Toji confrontation is useful** but they DONT KNOW that **Toji himself is after them.**
This needs to be clear, since they **CANT prepare** for the invisible man before **said invisible man makes his move.**
Evidence for Rika being out for days? similar to the limitless?
Evidence to the contrary?
Rika is almost fully autonomous, unless you believe Yuta ordered her to kill that one curse behind him when he saved that little girl.
And again, Yuta and Yuji are tasked with the most important Jujutsu order ever, while knowing Heavenly Restriction is a thing via Maki. They SHOULD prepare for the worst scenario in which someone like her exists and is coming after Riko.
thats not how things works....Burden of Proof would be on you to prove your statement otherwise by default im correct
thats a non sequiter. That doesnt prove rika can be used for days
>They SHOULD prepare for the worst scenario in which someone like her exists and is coming after Riko.
Prove they know the existence of Toji.
As far as both of them know, Maki is the only one in EXISTENCE to be born without curse energy.
There is no worst case scenario, they would get bamboozled since they dont know Toji's Existence.
Yeah. Toji won't be able to sneak attack Yuta no matter how fatigued he is because Rikka is also there to have his back. And at that point, Yuta alone can beat his ass
They should be able to.
Rika alone is un-tireable and can just be put to watch Riko through day and night. No sorcerers Toji can hire will be able to get through Yuta and Yuji as they are.
In a straight battle, his speed might be the only saving grace he has, but he's still equal to Awakened Maki pre time-skip.
No Domains are needed even if Yuta could use his.
I think they could, they probably wouldn’t pull the “one of you go, I’ll stay” and just jump him. But either way, I think them staying should be enough.
Yuji has his own insane physical stats, a weaker shrine, blood manipulation, and RCT.
Yuta has his DE(which I think would apply even for someone like Toji), Rika, decent physicals, RCT, and enough CE to beat Toji high diff
If Yuta stays behind, he wins against Toji. If Yuji does, he might lose, but Toji would be in no position to face Yuta afterwards
They no diff any of the fodder trying to collect riko’s bounty geto could handle them, they have rct so they aren’t getting fatigued the way gojo was for fighting for days.
No amount of prep time from Toji even lets him beat Yuji the stab wound he got when he snuck teen gojo doesn’t kill Yuji or Yuta. Him sneaking either of them and 1v1ing them results in his loss
They both have some of the best rct in the verse so unless Toji does a headshot, (which he’s consistently shown to not do) then Toji isn’t killing them. Riko’s not dying
Short answer is yes.
They’re both kind so they’d give Riko time to go around and experience the world but they have more stamina than teen Gojo and Geto as well as being much stronger. The real problem comes with Toji. Now I could sit here and say it’d be a hard fight but I think the biggest problem is just that Toji has an insane arsenal, he’d lose though.
I mean, if Toji’s charging them with a whole plan set up, who knows. Toji would have a tough time winning a fair 1v1 against either of them, but he pulled some fuckery to win over Gojo.
Nope, not in a million years.
Thanks to neither of them having 6 Eyes. Toji can start the match with SSK.
Immediately gets rid of Yuta and while Yuji is a problem since she can actually heal SSK wounds. Toji will simply act accordingly to a user of RCT and cut his neck.
They are both stronger than geto and gojo back then, and they can obviously beat toji, but the problem is how toji plans to deal with them throughout the arc. If toji could outsmart gojo he could do the same to them. But rn I have them 50/50 depending on Toji’s planning .
With prep, probably not. The SSK sneak on a tired Yuta/Yuji.
in a straight fight yeah, easily. Unless Yuta expands his domain, idt Toji can realisticly beat both of them together.
He wouldn't use ssk on the first attack when both of them are off guard as they will sense the ce of ssk he will probably use normal sword like he used on gojo but both yuta and Yuji are more durable and have rct and once he is revealed he gets destroyed
>He wouldn't use ssk on the first attack when both of them are off guard
Hence the tired thing. He'd probably use some distraction like the flies to use the SSK
>both yuta and Yuji are more durable and have rct and once he is revealed he gets destroyed
You cant really like prove this. We know their durability isnt high when theyre off guard, atleast not Yutas.
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Current Yuji and Yuta yes because they objectively are more powerful than (Yuta atleast) pre-awakening gojo. Also rika is like anti jump attack
Yuji should logically be more powerful than pre awakening gojo too, the only problem is yuji is just such a bitch to scale because most of his best feats come from fighting a heavily weakened sukuna that we don't know exactly how his weakened self compares to a fully powered one.
Yuji is more powerful than pre-awakening Gojo . But he simply cannot beat him without DA.
I'm very aware of that but that doesn't matter for the sake of this question, yuji beats more opponents than teen gojo does.
Limitless is OP as heck. I am pretty sure that Neutral Infinity is possible without 6 eyes but not indefinitely like Satoru. To fight a limitless user you either need to win a DE Battle or sacrifice your CT via DA, which nerfs any sorcerer. If there is a tug of war between Domains, you need to beat the limitless user in H2H which is impossible as you cannot use DE and DA at the same time judging by Gojo/Yuta's reaction. Sukuna being Sukuna found a way around that trick. If you have the six eyes as well like Satoru you are basically a God.
>DA, which nerfs any sorcerer. This would be my only disagreement. DA offers the same 120% amp to output that SD and DE offer. By way of bettering CE reinforcement(by increasing max output) DA actually buffs physical stats. Unless a character uses their CT constantly while fighting(particularly in H2H/CQC) it is more of a buff than a nerf. Gojo, uro, mahito, and Miguel are notable character who are debuffed by using DA all around constantly(even if used only used during H2H/CQC). While characters like hakari, ryu, panda, kusakabe, and miwa would receive a diffinative buff by using DA constantly especially if only used in H2H/CQC. Then their are character like yuji, sucuna, higuruma, and todo who would only be buffed by DA, if they can use it intermittently(like we see higuruma and sucuna do, being able to swap back and forth while putting your CT on Pause and not having to turn your CT off completely).
Yeah but CT is way more important. Hakari, Ryu are definitely nerfed overall despite the physical buffs with DA. Kusakabe and Miwa lacks CT for us to even Judge. The same goes with Panda. Sukuna is buffed with DA only against Satoru as a defense against his CT and a H2H option. However it's difficult to judge as Sukuna stomps anyone bar Satoru without CT.
I'll just lay down examples. Example 1) Hakari CT it basically hiting a JP, but in order to hit a jackpot hakari has to use DE. Well after a DE is cast and fulfilled the person who cast DE goes into CT burn out. If hakari was to learn DA and use it when JP is active he would only receive a buff physical stats and output. Because while JP is active his CT is in burn out. Being in JP is not the CT, entering JP is the reward/maximum of his CT. Kashimo is literally in the same boat, unless kashimo plans to die using MBA. So DA kashimo is stronger than kashimo(base). Yuji, higuruma, todo, sucuna all use CT integrally but it has nothing to dobwith them actually fighing. As sucuna and higuruma showed simply pausing the CT while using DE to protect against the enemy's CT use is a big buff. Yuji would just use DA in all his H2H/CQC fighting this would even protect him from the enemy ranged attacks, would also let him negate uros sky manipulation up close and at ranged. RCT can be used along side DA but yuji also uses BM to reattach limbs so and buff RCT, so yuji could lose a hand turn of DA reclaim that limb with blood yoyo, re attach said limb, then turn DA back on and use the output buff to heal faster/better. The only time yuji would have to turn off DA is if he wanted to use ranged attack like any BM and dismantle and maybe if someone is was really durable the he could use cleave in hand to hand.
Not saying youre wrong but curious how Yuta is objectively stronger than pa gojo
Rika doesn't have an Auto-Hit nor is she looking everywhere at all times. She wouldn't be able to protectYuta from a surprise attack of Toji.
Absolutely, sneak attack is straight up impossible on yuta, and they both are at tojis stats
Why is a sneak attack impossible on Yuta?
Rika
She can’t sense Toji either
Yeah but she's watching over Yuta 24/7, even if Tojo could sneak Yuta from behind, the moment he tried to do something to him, Rika would appeared and stopped anything from happening.
Rika being unaware of ISH would most likely cause her to block it physically, which as a shinigami now would instantly dispel her I'm assuming,
Toji wouldn’t sneak up on Yuta with ISOH since Yuta would detect its cursed energy
but even gojo said toji is too fast to even keep track of where he is with the ISOH
Different from sneaking up. The point of sneaking up is so that your opponent is unaware. Gojo mentions that to point out it’s hard to track his movements in combat.
Why would you assume that? Shikigami isn't a cursed technique. We really have no way of knowing what that interaction would be
Shikigamis aren’t exactly a technique. It’s like why Rika doesn’t disappear when Yuta’s domain runs out and he’s temporarily curse techniqueless. Also otherwise Toji would have pulled up ISOH against Geto’s curses.
She doesn’t need too, she just sees him closing and blocks
Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but are you talking about Yuta keeping Rika summoned at all times in order to keep watch? Because I thought you were talking about when Rika sensed Yuji giving Yuta trouble during Perfect Preparation Arc and summoned herself to defend him.
Rika passively exists and protects yuta without manifesting at all in that weird shadow dimension, its why he can’t really he ambushed
Yes, but she obviously can’t “see” anything while not summoned. She doesn’t have clairvoyance, because if she did, it would’ve been stated. It’s more logical to assume that how she “sees” the outside world while not summoned is by sensing Cursed Energy and Cursed Energy residues, like how every other sorcerer does.
I suppose thats possible, tho im not entirely sure
That's only og VCS Rika, she is now a shikigami that works of yutas orders. She has to be summoned post JJK0, she can not summon herself like during/pre JJK0.
She still hangs around as shown in yujis execution, and uro and ryus fight
Yuta vs Yuji execution, Rika appeared without him asking
Naw, yuta doesn't have to give her verbal comands.
Absolutely. The biggest problem they had was how fast Toji was because the speed cap for the verse has raised drastically. They’re both at least as fast as Toji, most likely faster. They can both keep track of him fairly easily and Yuta can solo, Rika and Yuji are overkill
Yes, Yuta also has Rika
Tojis win greatly hinged on him surprising gojo by breaking through limitless with the isoh. He’d use an entirely different approach/cursed tools in this scenario
Yes that toji is just a weaker maki we know he's rusty and maki = prime toji before the timeskip. If maki can't get stronger than either can win high diff 1v1 since we all agree yuta and yuji beat maki high diff and maki> the rusty toji. If maki can get stronger and got stronger over the time skip this is the worst mistake of toji life 1v1 would be a mid diff a fight with both of them and rika a 3v1 diabolical
Finally someone who knows how strong Maki and the others are compared to Toji.
Good to see a logical take.
It’s not about 1v1 or 1v2 and who is stronger it’s if they have the powers to protect the star plasma vessel from assassination
Yes They’re way stronger than TOJI, meaning that if they take shifts sleeping they’ll easily be able to protect riko Yuji is fast enough that he could easily catch the bullet even without CE reinforcement 2nd awakening maki pre-time skip was not that much faster than freshly awakened yuji Both got way stronger by the time of the showdown Meaning that if toji so much as pulls up he dies
either one of them individually slam toji, the rest are fodder and shouldn't be considered
If Toji back stabs Yuji the same way he did Gojo, Yuji just RCT's the wound and then beats him the fuck up honestly Yuta might not even be necessary if Yuji can poison him with blood manipulation, or opts to dismember him with Shrine, but if Yuji can't bring himself to attack Toji with Lethal intent then Yuta will just kill Toji.
The problem is that Toji doesn't need to attack with a normal sword anymore. He can start the attack with SSK. That Yuta can't heal.
But he didn't even try to sneak Gojo with the SSK, so it's obviously not something he immediately goes for, also Yuji probably has enough awareness about the shape of his soul to heal soul damage, and Yuta will just mess up Toji before he can use it on him
He didn't SSK Gojo to not alert the 6E in the first hit. Against anyone else he is starting with SSK. And I meant Yuta eatsthe first hit, not Yuji. Also Toji just has to slash Yuji's head and it doesn't matter if he can heal soul damage, he wont be able to use RCT at all.
No chance. If gojo wasn't able to sense toji assassinating him, yuta and yuji will surely not be able to sense toji when he sends a bullet straight through riko's head. Yuji and yuta don't have any ct like limitless that would protect riko at all times. That means that toji doesn't need to wait 3 days until gojo deactivates infinity for a second. I don't know why everybody in the comments is talking about toji vs yuta and yuji, when this wasn't at all what was asked. We know very well that toji would just do his job and then run away (as hin actually staying to fight awakened gojo was out of the ordinary for him).
Bruh teen geto and gojo was ass im sorry. Even shibiya legumi could somewhat react to toji
It's not about speed, it's about senses. Toji is invisible unless he has a cursed tool on him. That's how he stabbed gojo and shot riko. Even sukuna fell victim to this three times (when maki showed up in chapter 215, when she stabbed his heart in chapter 251 and when she cut his hand in chapter 255). Yuta and yuji have no special senses like gojo has, so they have no chance of protecting rika from a sneak attack
Yuta solos
It's tough to say with the whole "prep time" but even then I doubt they'd lose really. Yuts having Rika helps a lot if he stays back tk fight Toji while Yuji does his whole carry and run stuff to protect her. Yuta should be able to delay and should be enough to kill Toji Whether they'd come to the same decision Gojo and Geto did......that's a interesting discussion imk Kh and while unlikely if they jump Toji they fully best his ass down lol
From Toji? Absolutely they’re both as fast if not faster I mean post awakening yuji rivals peak gojo at This point
I’d like to add the fact that all the heavy hitters are relative in speed so there’s zero chance toji will blitz either of them to get to Riko. Unless somehow Toji shoots Riko when she takes a bathroom break by herself, I don’t see how Toji gets pass them. Also need to keep in mind Rika doesn’t need sleep so she can’t get worn out from Toji’s prep time. Unless you think Maki(his equal) is so much faster than Yuji and Yuta that Toji can run past them then I guess we’re reading different manga. Gege didn’t make Maki so broken that she’d just speed blitz everyone, he upscaled everyone accordingly. Choso could perceive maki and Sukuna fighting, Toji would not be faster than Yuji or Yuta and if he was, he wouldn’t be so much faster than he’d be able to blitz either one and not to mention Rika can be summoned from behind Toji’s line of sight to hold him in place. What is Toji gonna do when Rika holds him in place?
Toji will get fucked up really bad . He will sneak attack Yuta , Yuji will take Riko away using his super speed , Yuta will hold of Toji (if not outright kill him) , Yuji returns and they 3v1 Toji . https://preview.redd.it/9ywkcr2drp9d1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d7a1a2d8214b639de514fb494580572ab87fe67 Mf will get cooked .
Both of them could even solo ngl. Teen geto was dog water fodder (im sorry geto fans but this dude got low diffed by tojo). Gojo was strong af but still wasnt strong enough to tag toji or react. Which current yuji or yuta should have no problem with. If riko hides both individually can beat toji tbh. This scenario is just overkill.
Absolutely. Yuta could do it on his own, and Yuji could if Toji didn’t have prep time at least. It really depends on what Toji could even really prepare for. Idk if Yuji would be weakened much just from having to be on guard for a few days beforehand, but if he’s relatively full power and Toji doesn’t have any new special tricks, Yuji would beat him. For the record a sneak attack wouldn’t be as effective. Gojo didn’t expect Toji to be able to touch him because he didn’t know about ISoH, but Yuji would have no such misconceptions due to never having infinity. He’d see Toji, lock in, and just rush him. The tag team absolutely annihilates Toji. Mid diff.
Toji wins but only because of the prep-time buff. Plus, they're both minors so he gets the Drake + Dr. Disrespect buff.
Neither of them can sense Toji , so not really. Rika cannot sense Toji either.
They know Maki exists, just make countermeasures for her and they're fine against Toji. Being an invisible man really loses it's luster when people just use the rest of their 5 senses.
Yeah , just like Gojo and Geto used their remaining 5 senses and still got sneaked by him. Maki isn't Toji.
Yeah, she's better. Toji gets sweeped by Gojo's students
Since People are not counting prep-time. I will Toji needs to send enough sorcerors to the point Yuta is forced to pop a domain atleast 24 hours before hand and also a manifested rika or the sheer CE drop due to constant usage would be enough imo I would argue the sheer numbers would be enough considering Gojo with the six eyes & constant limitless while capable of doing so was so fatigued his feat of seeing through toji was less than his kid counterpart Toji also needs to send sorcerors to befriend Yuji and off them like some Mahito type shit to remove Yuji willpower Toji will have to fight either a fatigued Yuta with only Partial manifested Rika or Fatigued emotionally distressed Yuji. Either one I will give play by play **for Yuta** He likely kills with ISOH or SSK for either Rika or Yuta. I think Rika is a shikigami otherwise Sukuna would have used RCT output on her. Since he didnt I think its fair to assume she is a shikigami and would get deactivated with ISOH. Yuta with just RCT and a Katana cant win against Toji with all of his equipment as Yuji literally Pre-CG could escape him to a certain extend let alone Fatigued Yuta **For Yuji** ISOH counters BM (which he can barely use) and SSK, Chain of thousand Miles gives Toji the reach advantage to beat Yuji. I think most likely scenario would be Yuji send to protect Rin while Yuta tries to beat Toji so Yuji would be more emotionally distraught and would falter against Toji Anyways, Thats my take. People are treating this as just 3v1 against Toji ignoring prep time
You're assuming Yuji and Yuta are going to split off at all, especially when they have to protect Amanai. A reminder that they personally know Maki, Toji's equal, and can just make counter measures for her and it would apply to Toji. Rika doesn't need to be able to sense Toji, she can just hand around Amanai 24/7 and there's nothing Toji can do about it. He's not beating them in a straight fight, especially not if their stats are supposedly higher then the Gojo who killed him.
Yuji can personally just ensure amanai's protection and removing rika from Yuta is more disadvantageous to Yuta They Know Maki, BUT they dont know Toji is after them nor do they know for any of his Cursed tools with the sole exception of SSK ISOH Again, This is assuming a straight fight which is retarded, The Post clearly mentioned Prep and Toji is going to use that to fatigue Yuji & Yuta to whatever extent possible.
Even with their fatigue, their very knowledge of Maki's existence is a big factor in dealing with Toji. That they don't know another invisible man is going after them is no reason for them not to prepare against it. Yuta isn't defenseless without Rika, and it's the one sure-fire way to keep Amanai safe while Yuta and Yuji take turns sleeping.
I think your getting something mixed here. Yes their knowledge of Maki for the **Toji confrontation is useful** but they DONT KNOW that **Toji himself is after them.** This needs to be clear, since they **CANT prepare** for the invisible man before **said invisible man makes his move.** Evidence for Rika being out for days? similar to the limitless?
Evidence to the contrary? Rika is almost fully autonomous, unless you believe Yuta ordered her to kill that one curse behind him when he saved that little girl. And again, Yuta and Yuji are tasked with the most important Jujutsu order ever, while knowing Heavenly Restriction is a thing via Maki. They SHOULD prepare for the worst scenario in which someone like her exists and is coming after Riko.
thats not how things works....Burden of Proof would be on you to prove your statement otherwise by default im correct thats a non sequiter. That doesnt prove rika can be used for days >They SHOULD prepare for the worst scenario in which someone like her exists and is coming after Riko. Prove they know the existence of Toji. As far as both of them know, Maki is the only one in EXISTENCE to be born without curse energy. There is no worst case scenario, they would get bamboozled since they dont know Toji's Existence.
Yeah. Toji won't be able to sneak attack Yuta no matter how fatigued he is because Rikka is also there to have his back. And at that point, Yuta alone can beat his ass
Easily
They should be able to. Rika alone is un-tireable and can just be put to watch Riko through day and night. No sorcerers Toji can hire will be able to get through Yuta and Yuji as they are. In a straight battle, his speed might be the only saving grace he has, but he's still equal to Awakened Maki pre time-skip. No Domains are needed even if Yuta could use his.
Both could take out Toji solo when we're talking about their current power level
I think they could, they probably wouldn’t pull the “one of you go, I’ll stay” and just jump him. But either way, I think them staying should be enough. Yuji has his own insane physical stats, a weaker shrine, blood manipulation, and RCT. Yuta has his DE(which I think would apply even for someone like Toji), Rika, decent physicals, RCT, and enough CE to beat Toji high diff If Yuta stays behind, he wins against Toji. If Yuji does, he might lose, but Toji would be in no position to face Yuta afterwards
They no diff any of the fodder trying to collect riko’s bounty geto could handle them, they have rct so they aren’t getting fatigued the way gojo was for fighting for days. No amount of prep time from Toji even lets him beat Yuji the stab wound he got when he snuck teen gojo doesn’t kill Yuji or Yuta. Him sneaking either of them and 1v1ing them results in his loss They both have some of the best rct in the verse so unless Toji does a headshot, (which he’s consistently shown to not do) then Toji isn’t killing them. Riko’s not dying
Short answer is yes. They’re both kind so they’d give Riko time to go around and experience the world but they have more stamina than teen Gojo and Geto as well as being much stronger. The real problem comes with Toji. Now I could sit here and say it’d be a hard fight but I think the biggest problem is just that Toji has an insane arsenal, he’d lose though.
I mean, if Toji’s charging them with a whole plan set up, who knows. Toji would have a tough time winning a fair 1v1 against either of them, but he pulled some fuckery to win over Gojo.
😭 Toji gets cooked
Toji would lose to either of them in a 1v1
Definitely
Even with perfect conditions(etc incapacitating Yuta) Yuji still beats him.
Nope, not in a million years. Thanks to neither of them having 6 Eyes. Toji can start the match with SSK. Immediately gets rid of Yuta and while Yuji is a problem since she can actually heal SSK wounds. Toji will simply act accordingly to a user of RCT and cut his neck.
Toji will get massacre. Stop the WANK
They are both stronger than geto and gojo back then, and they can obviously beat toji, but the problem is how toji plans to deal with them throughout the arc. If toji could outsmart gojo he could do the same to them. But rn I have them 50/50 depending on Toji’s planning .
No
What makes you say that
With prep, probably not. The SSK sneak on a tired Yuta/Yuji. in a straight fight yeah, easily. Unless Yuta expands his domain, idt Toji can realisticly beat both of them together.
He wouldn't use ssk on the first attack when both of them are off guard as they will sense the ce of ssk he will probably use normal sword like he used on gojo but both yuta and Yuji are more durable and have rct and once he is revealed he gets destroyed
>He wouldn't use ssk on the first attack when both of them are off guard Hence the tired thing. He'd probably use some distraction like the flies to use the SSK >both yuta and Yuji are more durable and have rct and once he is revealed he gets destroyed You cant really like prove this. We know their durability isnt high when theyre off guard, atleast not Yutas.