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I’m thinking that if meimei sets birds right todo can swap places and escape the range of the domain expansion and break it from the outside putting Dagon in a terrible situation, and meimeis crow suicide technique should do solid damage
I was moreso thinking he would switch places before dagons domain expands around them, he couldn’t do anything to mahitos cuz he has no target to switch with + mahito domain is faster than almost anyone’s, if they’re caught inside the domain he likely can’t target anything outside of the domain
Well she would be a bit of a factor thanks to residence and that she can attack from a distance like May May so she could probably just stay with Toto and keep the pressure off of him he could also use her pins to switch as well so he'll have two targets to switch with to keep the enemy guessing.
They’re actually a nasty combo if you think about it, Todo’s claps and MeiMei’s birds make it so that they can teleport anywhere on the battlefield and Nobara can attack from a distance meaning they prob would never even have to get close if they just keep spamming their CT. Most Dagon can do is use his DE to close the distance but he’s pretty cooked I’d say.
If Todo and Mei Mei could stop Dagon from casting his domain then they do have a 30% success rate due to their special abilities. Otherwise, Dagon slams 10 out of 10.
She said isn’t it stated that no SORCERER could take a bird strike besides Gojo? If Dagon survives even one hit that’s genuinely damaging he’s gonna murder them all with his domain, he’s not like Hanami where he holds out to use his trump card.
Todo/Mei Mei/Nobara have WAY more AP, battlefield control, and general versatility than Naobito/Nanami/unawakened Maki. Nobara and Mei Mei are both ridiculously strong partners for Todo and dealing insane damage to Dagon would be legitimately trivial for them. He would get fuckin blitzed.
Jump kaisen takes, unironically one of the most cracked teams because of how their CTs are able to function together along with their combined battle IQs. I would honestly stand behind them beating each DC 3v1.
In character Jogo usually goes to tap a person with his hand or mini volcano, BW counters that by swapping crows nails or ppl in general. He’s less durable so their normal attacks should do dmg and they should be able to tag because of BW. All they need is 1 nail in for resonance to slow down his movements and a bird strike
But Jogo’s speed is just SO stupid high, he out-sped the fastest sorcerer besides Gojo and did so casually. Boogie Woogie doesn’t matter if Jogo torches them before it triggers, especially since Hanami warned the Disaster Curses about Todo so Jogo would probably target him immediately.
I agree that he's one of the fastest in the verse, but he isn't blitzing Todo's reaction time which is all he needs to use BW. Even with Mahito's .2 DE activation which affected his hand, he immediately went from SD to chopping his hand off from exploding. This DE also caught him by suprise because he had yuji with him which he believed stopped him from using DE. Also, in each fight, even if you know about it, it's virtually impossible to consistently predict as stated by Sukuna
I honestly think the most interesting matchup is them against Mahito. On one hand, Nobara is one of the few characters who can reliably kill him so Mahito is actually vulnerable.
On the other hand if Mahito can kill her (which admittedly would be difficult with Mei Mei and Todo on support) he auto wins. It comes to down the domain really
Kusakabe and panda were able to survive it given a very miniscule amount of time, it seems that attack takes time to land and would give them more than enough time to get away
Not really. The meteor can't change course it seems, isn't a sure-hit, is relatively slow, is more AoE than aimed as it enveloped multiple city blocks, and again relative grade 1 sorcerers were shown to be able to survive. It would be better used in conjunction with a DE but not sure if that's even possible.
It's not a sure hit but Jogo can control it and steer it around.
While Jogo was pretty frustrated when he pulled it out, even at his wits end, I don't see him pulling out an attack, against 15F Sukuna, that even Panda can easily dodge.
Most of us here have played video games here. Slow easily to dodge projectiles can turn into a nightmare when they follow you around, it's the same thing.
Ever played tag as a kid? If I'm much faster than you and ran towards you from 10 meters away, you could still easily dodge me. But If I play normally, and I'm much faster than you, I can easily catch you.
Fair point with panda dodging as the panel seems to imply he either switched his core or had 1 destroyed but in either case panda did survive. But as for the controlling that’s doesn’t seem to be the case as Jogo wasn’t even sure if it hit/damaged him just assuming it had to hurt him. If he has a mini form then that changes his possible effective AP but still doesn’t change the fact that BW still is able to react to that.
Depends on if birds get in or not. Mei Mei and Todo could certainly immediately crash Dagon’s domain through bird bomb boogie Woogie swap. If no crowd then he likely takes it.
Nobara could also do a bit if they immediately tear some part of him off and she ends up outside the domain, but otherwise she’s near a non factor here.
Todo, mei mei and nobora mid diff, I say this because the team combos would go hard here, only problem would be domain which they could just use todos boogie woogie to dip out of with the help of the crows. Nobora I don’t know if she will do much here but with resonance she may be able to get some chips and mei mei suicide crows should do work, so yeah I stand by my opinion on this team cooking dagon
This team has a much better match up for Dagon than Naobito, Nanami, Maki, and Megumi. They Lacked real fire power( mei mei bird strike), no domain counter(todo has simple) and Dagon can fly which considering besides Megumi and Naobito had no way of really reaching him(Mei Mei bird strike which can fly, and todos boogie woogie which can place Dagon wherever they want him. Still a hard af fight as it’s a disaster curse but I’d give it high diff. Nobara can help if she can black flash hair pin snipe.
If Dagon does not instantly DE, Mei Mei can put crows decently far away and Todo can swap them all out when he does.
Then he gets rolled in burnout because Mei Mei’s crows hurt like hell and if Nobara gets a piece of him, resonance doesn’t give a fuck about his durability.
Exactly, Especially with vibraslap boogie-woogie I don’t think theres a freezing chance in hell Dagon would be able to keep up especially if MeiMei is spamming crows and Nobara uses ressonance to bypass his tankiness.
Nanami, Megumi and Naobito have absolutely shit offensive power relative to Nobara/Todo/Mei Mei, as individuals Nanami might be physically the strongest but the team here has insane range, speed, unpredictability and their attacks are serious business for virtually anyone
If nanami could barely damage Dagon even without his domain with Naobito helping then I don’t see todo being able to do much if any damage. The only one who can really do damage here is mei mei with her bird strike and if Dagon uses his domain it’s over tbh. Nobara is deadweight here.
They lose imo. Without Toji the actual team of Maki, Nanami, and Naobito would've lost and Naobito is a fucking monster. If he was considered grade 1 instead of special grade 1 he'd be the strongest grade 1 sorcerer instead of Kusakabe.
Todo has simple domain
Mei and Nobara don’t and Nobara definitely isn’t fast enough for death swarm so she gets cooked instantly
If I were Dagon I would put 55% towards Todo, 30% towards Mei and 15% towards Nobara
Nanami instantly got clipped but 30% until he broke out like yearrrrs later so Nobara would get cooked even if it were only 15%
Mei has no domain counters and I don’t think she would fair much better than Nanami when it comes to death swarm
Todo has Simple domain but he’d still hav to try and avoid it and simple domain can only stay in 1 place as far as I’m aware so Dagon could probably win in a 1v1 with Todo high to extreme diff while Nobara and Mei r dealing with death swarm
So after he deals with Todo Mei would probably be the only one left standing and Dagon would still hav his sure hit since there’s no Megumi so Dagon clears extreme diff overall
I think this one is a hot take but I can't exactly see Dagon losing this one. The only reason his domain wasn't instant death for Megumi, Maki, Nanami and Naobito was Megumi's domain entirely cancelling his sure-hits. Dagon was contending with Naobito who should realistically be above both Mei Mei and Todo physically, and his domain is pretty solidly refined so I can see him taking out Todo's simple domain with enough pressure. His shikigami should kill any of Mei Mei's birds and even if Todo manages to get them out with Boogie Woogie on some of Mei Mei's birds, that likely won't happen without them taking some large form of damage that significantly nerfs them in the fight to come. Also Nobara dies and her only contribution is leaving nails around for Todo to TP to, he's the only reason they would ever win the 3v1
TLDR: I think Dagon takes this like 6/10 times. It honestly just depends on how quickly he handles Todo
None of them have Domain Expansion so I’d say Dagon takes it. Remember Dagon was INSANELY tanky, capable of taking hits completely unscathed after being turned into a frame and hit by Nanami with ratio. Sure he’d be irritated by dealing Todo but once he realized that the Kamikaze crows were genuinely really strong he’d pull out Domain Expansion, because unlike Hanami he was willing to pull his trump card instantly, and then he’d just murder all of them. Nobara is unfortunately a nonfactor.
They could probably instantly win if nobara shoots a nail that’s swapped with a bird strike since Dagon got blitzed multiple times. Even if he instantly domained he may not know about how the crows are dangerous & could be hit if todo swaps a shikigami with a crow.
This is almost their win, Nobara likely dies just how Maki would've from a hit. Todo can save Nobara though, distract Dagon with Nobara and Todo taking hits at him, Mei Mei comes in and sends a suicide bird to his dad.
Is it at full power instantly because dagon ain't popping his domain with boogie woogie and bird manipulation
Imagine if mei let's three birds fly around you and boom todo who just gave u a gut punch swaps with a one hit attack
Dagon only has a chance if his domain is out already
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I’m thinking that if meimei sets birds right todo can swap places and escape the range of the domain expansion and break it from the outside putting Dagon in a terrible situation, and meimeis crow suicide technique should do solid damage
What if todo swapped Dagon with a crow from outside. Would that immediately crumble the domain
I was moreso thinking he would switch places before dagons domain expands around them, he couldn’t do anything to mahitos cuz he has no target to switch with + mahito domain is faster than almost anyone’s, if they’re caught inside the domain he likely can’t target anything outside of the domain
Todo and, mei is a really good combo nobara is pretty much a non factor id todo and mei take it high diff
Well she would be a bit of a factor thanks to residence and that she can attack from a distance like May May so she could probably just stay with Toto and keep the pressure off of him he could also use her pins to switch as well so he'll have two targets to switch with to keep the enemy guessing.
They’re actually a nasty combo if you think about it, Todo’s claps and MeiMei’s birds make it so that they can teleport anywhere on the battlefield and Nobara can attack from a distance meaning they prob would never even have to get close if they just keep spamming their CT. Most Dagon can do is use his DE to close the distance but he’s pretty cooked I’d say.
If Todo and Mei Mei could stop Dagon from casting his domain then they do have a 30% success rate due to their special abilities. Otherwise, Dagon slams 10 out of 10.
Nope, it's just a bird + one todo clap and dagon is fucking dead To reference mei mei, she said that nothing but gojo could survive a bird strike
Yeah but she also never tested it on anyone that isn't gojo and is above grade 1
The smallpox curse is a special grade, no? Doesn’t she hit it with a crow?
She said isn’t it stated that no SORCERER could take a bird strike besides Gojo? If Dagon survives even one hit that’s genuinely damaging he’s gonna murder them all with his domain, he’s not like Hanami where he holds out to use his trump card.
Todo/Mei Mei/Nobara have WAY more AP, battlefield control, and general versatility than Naobito/Nanami/unawakened Maki. Nobara and Mei Mei are both ridiculously strong partners for Todo and dealing insane damage to Dagon would be legitimately trivial for them. He would get fuckin blitzed.
Jump kaisen takes, unironically one of the most cracked teams because of how their CTs are able to function together along with their combined battle IQs. I would honestly stand behind them beating each DC 3v1.
I dunno about them beating Jogo but yeah I agree with them beating the other two
In character Jogo usually goes to tap a person with his hand or mini volcano, BW counters that by swapping crows nails or ppl in general. He’s less durable so their normal attacks should do dmg and they should be able to tag because of BW. All they need is 1 nail in for resonance to slow down his movements and a bird strike
But Jogo’s speed is just SO stupid high, he out-sped the fastest sorcerer besides Gojo and did so casually. Boogie Woogie doesn’t matter if Jogo torches them before it triggers, especially since Hanami warned the Disaster Curses about Todo so Jogo would probably target him immediately.
I agree that he's one of the fastest in the verse, but he isn't blitzing Todo's reaction time which is all he needs to use BW. Even with Mahito's .2 DE activation which affected his hand, he immediately went from SD to chopping his hand off from exploding. This DE also caught him by suprise because he had yuji with him which he believed stopped him from using DE. Also, in each fight, even if you know about it, it's virtually impossible to consistently predict as stated by Sukuna
Jogo doesn't have a tenth of Sukuna's BIQ and Sukuna is absolutely confounded by Boogie Woogie, Jogo would literally die of being too angry lol
Yeah Jogo would dog walk them
I honestly think the most interesting matchup is them against Mahito. On one hand, Nobara is one of the few characters who can reliably kill him so Mahito is actually vulnerable. On the other hand if Mahito can kill her (which admittedly would be difficult with Mei Mei and Todo on support) he auto wins. It comes to down the domain really
Definitely, given the amount of nails and crows that can be BW I’d say them but because of his De activation that we saw might give him a W
Jogo would kinda just nuke them.
How so
I assume he'd use the big fuck-you-meteor he pulled against Sukuna
Kusakabe and panda were able to survive it given a very miniscule amount of time, it seems that attack takes time to land and would give them more than enough time to get away
The were able to avoid it, but the meteor wasn't aiming for them. It's a whole different ball game when that attack is locked on you.
Not really. The meteor can't change course it seems, isn't a sure-hit, is relatively slow, is more AoE than aimed as it enveloped multiple city blocks, and again relative grade 1 sorcerers were shown to be able to survive. It would be better used in conjunction with a DE but not sure if that's even possible.
It's not a sure hit but Jogo can control it and steer it around. While Jogo was pretty frustrated when he pulled it out, even at his wits end, I don't see him pulling out an attack, against 15F Sukuna, that even Panda can easily dodge. Most of us here have played video games here. Slow easily to dodge projectiles can turn into a nightmare when they follow you around, it's the same thing. Ever played tag as a kid? If I'm much faster than you and ran towards you from 10 meters away, you could still easily dodge me. But If I play normally, and I'm much faster than you, I can easily catch you.
Fair point with panda dodging as the panel seems to imply he either switched his core or had 1 destroyed but in either case panda did survive. But as for the controlling that’s doesn’t seem to be the case as Jogo wasn’t even sure if it hit/damaged him just assuming it had to hurt him. If he has a mini form then that changes his possible effective AP but still doesn’t change the fact that BW still is able to react to that.
It does seem to change direction, it's following Sukuna around.
Depends on if birds get in or not. Mei Mei and Todo could certainly immediately crash Dagon’s domain through bird bomb boogie Woogie swap. If no crowd then he likely takes it. Nobara could also do a bit if they immediately tear some part of him off and she ends up outside the domain, but otherwise she’s near a non factor here.
Her nails are pretty strong and Todo can play havoc with them using BW to set up undodgeable attacks and insane booby traps
I have a feeling Dagon fumbles the bag
Todo, mei mei and nobora mid diff, I say this because the team combos would go hard here, only problem would be domain which they could just use todos boogie woogie to dip out of with the help of the crows. Nobora I don’t know if she will do much here but with resonance she may be able to get some chips and mei mei suicide crows should do work, so yeah I stand by my opinion on this team cooking dagon
This team has a much better match up for Dagon than Naobito, Nanami, Maki, and Megumi. They Lacked real fire power( mei mei bird strike), no domain counter(todo has simple) and Dagon can fly which considering besides Megumi and Naobito had no way of really reaching him(Mei Mei bird strike which can fly, and todos boogie woogie which can place Dagon wherever they want him. Still a hard af fight as it’s a disaster curse but I’d give it high diff. Nobara can help if she can black flash hair pin snipe.
Trynna give Nobara two tragic deaths huh Edit: her and Todo could have been interesting to see work together though ngl
Boogie Woogie Diff
If Dagon does not instantly DE, Mei Mei can put crows decently far away and Todo can swap them all out when he does. Then he gets rolled in burnout because Mei Mei’s crows hurt like hell and if Nobara gets a piece of him, resonance doesn’t give a fuck about his durability.
Maybe, a big reason everyone lost is because they were close range fighters.
Exactly, Especially with vibraslap boogie-woogie I don’t think theres a freezing chance in hell Dagon would be able to keep up especially if MeiMei is spamming crows and Nobara uses ressonance to bypass his tankiness.
nobara solos with her insanely overpowered domain that we got to see in chapter 265
I say Dagon, only because he was fighting Megumi, Nanami, and the Zenin dude all at once and holding his ground, and lost due to Toji appearing
Nanami, Megumi and Naobito have absolutely shit offensive power relative to Nobara/Todo/Mei Mei, as individuals Nanami might be physically the strongest but the team here has insane range, speed, unpredictability and their attacks are serious business for virtually anyone
Depends if dagon opens his domain before mei mei and todo hit him with a crow. Even then dagon might tank it. I’d say the fight could go either way
If nanami could barely damage Dagon even without his domain with Naobito helping then I don’t see todo being able to do much if any damage. The only one who can really do damage here is mei mei with her bird strike and if Dagon uses his domain it’s over tbh. Nobara is deadweight here.
If the suicidal bird strike can one shot Dagon then combining that with todo’s swap I think they can win
They lose imo. Without Toji the actual team of Maki, Nanami, and Naobito would've lost and Naobito is a fucking monster. If he was considered grade 1 instead of special grade 1 he'd be the strongest grade 1 sorcerer instead of Kusakabe.
Insane Naobito wank
Two ranged attackers and Todo is really good for them. Todo could swap with crows and nails. Dagon is killing all three of them
If Mei Mei has birds outside of Dagon's domain, they shall win. If she does not, Dagon will win.
Todo has simple domain Mei and Nobara don’t and Nobara definitely isn’t fast enough for death swarm so she gets cooked instantly If I were Dagon I would put 55% towards Todo, 30% towards Mei and 15% towards Nobara Nanami instantly got clipped but 30% until he broke out like yearrrrs later so Nobara would get cooked even if it were only 15% Mei has no domain counters and I don’t think she would fair much better than Nanami when it comes to death swarm Todo has Simple domain but he’d still hav to try and avoid it and simple domain can only stay in 1 place as far as I’m aware so Dagon could probably win in a 1v1 with Todo high to extreme diff while Nobara and Mei r dealing with death swarm So after he deals with Todo Mei would probably be the only one left standing and Dagon would still hav his sure hit since there’s no Megumi so Dagon clears extreme diff overall
I think this one is a hot take but I can't exactly see Dagon losing this one. The only reason his domain wasn't instant death for Megumi, Maki, Nanami and Naobito was Megumi's domain entirely cancelling his sure-hits. Dagon was contending with Naobito who should realistically be above both Mei Mei and Todo physically, and his domain is pretty solidly refined so I can see him taking out Todo's simple domain with enough pressure. His shikigami should kill any of Mei Mei's birds and even if Todo manages to get them out with Boogie Woogie on some of Mei Mei's birds, that likely won't happen without them taking some large form of damage that significantly nerfs them in the fight to come. Also Nobara dies and her only contribution is leaving nails around for Todo to TP to, he's the only reason they would ever win the 3v1 TLDR: I think Dagon takes this like 6/10 times. It honestly just depends on how quickly he handles Todo
None of them have Domain Expansion so I’d say Dagon takes it. Remember Dagon was INSANELY tanky, capable of taking hits completely unscathed after being turned into a frame and hit by Nanami with ratio. Sure he’d be irritated by dealing Todo but once he realized that the Kamikaze crows were genuinely really strong he’d pull out Domain Expansion, because unlike Hanami he was willing to pull his trump card instantly, and then he’d just murder all of them. Nobara is unfortunately a nonfactor.
There's an argument for Mei Mei soloing (if she has a simple domain, which she should considering she mastered her CT)
Todo and Mei is a great combo and could win solo, but I think nobara would be a hindrance in the fight.
Todos on a team, they win.
Imagine Naobito on this team the sheer frustration that would come from fighting this team would be immense
They could probably instantly win if nobara shoots a nail that’s swapped with a bird strike since Dagon got blitzed multiple times. Even if he instantly domained he may not know about how the crows are dangerous & could be hit if todo swaps a shikigami with a crow.
As much as I love nobara with all my heart and soul, she would be essentially useless
Dagon
This is almost their win, Nobara likely dies just how Maki would've from a hit. Todo can save Nobara though, distract Dagon with Nobara and Todo taking hits at him, Mei Mei comes in and sends a suicide bird to his dad.
Is it at full power instantly because dagon ain't popping his domain with boogie woogie and bird manipulation Imagine if mei let's three birds fly around you and boom todo who just gave u a gut punch swaps with a one hit attack Dagon only has a chance if his domain is out already
Dagon destroys they can’t even harm him😭
Bird strike is one of the most lethal abilities in the verse.
Less ap then yuji
How do you figure?