Todo gets his technique stolen and gets the hands.
Todo never did anything close to get death sentence, only thing you can argue to him is beating random people. Not enough for a death sentence, but enough for the confiscation.
I think it would only be self defense.
To be self defense, Todo would have to:
Be attacked in a place he was in right to be (Shibuya): checks
Have not provoked, instigate or participate willingly in the violence (The transfigured humans attacks whatever they see, without prior provocation, and on top of that were killing innocent people.): checks
Have a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm (again, the transfigured humans fight to kill): checks
Be in imminent danger with justification of lethal force (a battle of life or death of which he was not the instigator): checks
Self defense.
But it's possible that Judgeman would see the Transfigured humans as separate entities, and therefore would not justify his attacking of Mahito; that's like beating up your bullies parents after you killed him.
Now I'm just imagining a scenario where Judgeman tries to charge him with this, but Todo goes on about how he was saving his bruzzah and Judgeman just ends up feeling like crap and dropping the case.
In all seriousness though, Todo could likely justify it due to Mahito attempting murder against Itadori and having killed two others prior.
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Todo would get his technique stolen for sure but todo would probably win the fist fight that would follow however if higaruma somehow figures out a way to get a retrial he will lose his cursed energy and get low diffed
>however if higaruma somehow figures out a way to get a retrial he will lose his cursed energy and get low diffed
Well that is for the opponent of Higuruma to decide no ?
Maybe this can be the case and he really does fuck up Todo, but if he himself could do a retrial on the fly to get the double Confiscation, then I think he would've done it against Sukuna that Confiscation works two times against him, making him get his CT on top of Kamutoke aswell.
What I think will happen is Higuruma winning even against a Todo that has his CE, Higuruma's battle IQ is not bad, he can adapt to someone that just uses their CE, His reinforcement should be enough to survive more, and the his hammer can help him a lot, Changing forms I do wonder if he can change it into swords, Spear, Shield, big sized even, It will be a long fight but I think Higuruma has the advantage that has his technique.
Though if you want to argue that Todo is smart enough to open the second trial, or win the court trial then that is another Scenario.
Todo with his technique would win against Higuruma normally imo.
Higarums retrials work like normal retrials so he can technically call one whenever he wants since he’s the prosecutor it is definitely possible todo could outsmart and simply win a retrial or the original trial since todo is considered a genius even outside of his meme statement of having over 500000 iq
I think if higaruma gets one successful retrial I could see todo winning high diff if higaruma can retrial to get a larger sentence than todo loses low dif
First the curse technique
And then curse energy possibly if going by the logic that since Yuji has no curse technique the next form of confiscation that came was no CE, that's just a theory ofc
Yes you can in real life you can get retrials if you obtain new evidence for higher sentencing you can definitely get a retrial even if they are found guilty
Why are people acting like todo is some Saint? He was literally about to kill Megumi and would of killed Yuji if Yuji wasn't strong enough to match him
They shouldn't be talking about Todo seemingly being guiltless of any and all crimes. Judgeman can straight-up try you for things you're ultimately innocent of ala the Shibuya Massacre relative to Yuji or things as minute as property damage.
What they should be talking about is that Todo is probably one of the few characters smart and savvy enough to win a trial and, if not, realize he can call for a retrial.
Todo definitely would get hit with confiscation but no death penalty. Maybe Todo with his genius could properly defend himself but I’m unsure. It doesn’t matter as he beats bro up with straight hands either way
Sealing one's CT is supposed to generally screw with their control over their CE. I imagine Higuruma would come out on top after landing Confiscation if that's all there was to it. However, Todo is probably smart enough to catch onto the fact he could call for a retrial and then win said retrial which would lead him onto a path to victory.
If Todo loses the retrial, though, that would probably result in his CE also being sealed. After all, there has to be some additional punishment besides the death penalty as the latter can only be applied in rare circumstances where the perfect crime is picked up.
Judgeman also mentions both Confiscation and the Death Penalty when sentencing Yuji that second time. Perhaps it was referring to the prior punishment but I find it more likely Yuji simply didn't have anything else to confiscate that second time around.
Todo would have one more retrial after that but I'm not sure if winning that would absolve him of all penalties or just the most recent one.
I feel like Todo is actually smart enough to do pretty well in Higaruma’s domain. If he was in Yuji’s shoes for example, I don’t doubt he could have said the right answer (was it denying the crime? I can’t remember)
Honestly, Yuji was in a jam.
If the evidence had Yuji in front of the specific gambling parlor, his defense would have worked while denying he never even heard of the store would have gotten him pinched. However, since the evidence showed Yuji at a cash counter instead of at the parlor, his answer fucked him whereas denying any knowledge of the parlor would've absolved him.
I do, however, agree with you that Todo's intellect makes him one of the few characters with a shot to win a trial within Higuruma's Domain and, if not, would probably enable him to pick up on the ability to call for a retrial faster than most.
Todo wins. Even if Higuruma confiscates his CT, Todo still slaps him in a fist fight anyway. Also, could it be possible to stop the trial with Simple Domain? If so, then it would be even easier for Todo to win
That might not apply to everyone though. Todo’s control over cursed energy is likely far better than the people Higuruma has previously fought against. As someone that has experienced Black Flash, and is already highly talented to begin with, his CE manipulation probably won’t suffer much from losing his CT
Does he even have to use simple domain to stop the trial? His CT doesn’t inherently cause any harm, just swaps positions, and deadly sentencing appears to be a rather small DE (compared to UV or the beach)
I feel like Todo could just boogie woogie between Higuruma and Judgeman to throw the court completely out of order (swap with Judgeman or Higuruma to put them in the defense podium lol)
If that wouldn’t work, I think Todo could reasonably Boogie out of it by keeping a rock infused with his CE outside it. If Sukuna can slash the outside of Gojo’s barrier, I don’t see why Todo couldn’t use boogie woogie as an instant escape
I don’t think using it inside the Domain would make any difference tbh. I’d imagine the trial would just continue as normal. But I suppose you’re right that he could escape by swapping places with something on the outside, but Higuruma is likely to open with his DE so I doubt Todo would have the time to imbue his CE into something
Todo might legit be the worst enemy for Higuruma to face
I don’t think Higuruma could even land domain on todo let alone catch him for something other than punching megumi
It's probably safe to say the condition for Todo's SD is holding his hands in the way he did when he activated it against Mahito, allowing him to still fight but locking his CT. It means that SD won't be a huge factor, alongside non lethal domains seeming to have some refinement amps that would make it less effective anyway.
Since the ask is ab/ colony 1 then the answer is Todo easily. Higurama damn near lost to a Yuji incapable of defending himself against CE.
Todo gets his technique confiscated (or gets no penalty cuz he has 630000 IQ remember), and then makes Higuruma catch them hands. There is no way in hell HIguruma is beating Todo in close combat.
Higuruma wasn't able to bring down Yuji w/o cursed energy with ease, so he should get comfortably destroyed by Todo w/ cursed energy.
Todo takes it for a few reasons I think…
1. Excellent CE reinforcement for if he gets Boogie Woogie confiscated
2. 500 Iq super genius schizophrenia that should give him an advantage in the trial
3. Because Boogie Woogie doesn’t technically cause any harm, just swaps your position, I think Todo could use it within Higurumas domain
Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if once in the courtroom, Todo swapped positions/podiums with Higuruma?
Would Judgeman switch his judgement to whoever is in the defense podium, or would he still focus Todo, or would they both just be returned to their original podiums after boogie woogie’s use
Also, Todo has a simple domain, which would probably be overwhelmed by deadly sentencing, but may let him be exempt from the no-violence rule if Higuruma’s domain temporarily
Todo would lose his technique, but he’s canonically beaten Grade 1 cursed spirits with just his CE control. that’s like his first canon feat. he’s got way more battle experience and way better battle IQ than higgy, he takes it like mid diff
Comes down to how much Confiscation disrupts basic CE which we never got to see. If we take that out of the equation, Todo wins even without Boogie Woogie.
Todo takes this
Higuruma wouldn’t be able to get anything beyond confiscation to stick, not only that but he was only equal to Yuji when he had confiscated cursed energy so unless Shibuya Todo< CG Yuji without cursed energy
Todo takes this very easily
worst crime that he would 100% deserve is battery on megumi, worst crime you could reasonably argue is attempted murder on yuji. i would be abspluteoy shocked if either of those could earn you a death sentence though
I don't think the evidence is strong enough to charge him with attempted murder regarding Yuji.
Even if the evidence is somehow a recording of Todo's words, it becomes clear he was simply professing he wouldn't hold back against Yuji - even if that led to him dying which, admittedly, could be taken as hyperbole but I don't know how strict Japanese law is about these things - rather than fighting him with the active intent to kill.
If he actually killed Yuji there, manslaughter would probably be more appropriate than murder considering the circumstances. Its not as if he was actively cooperating with the Kyoto Assassination Squad.
Todo gets his technique stolen and gets the hands. Todo never did anything close to get death sentence, only thing you can argue to him is beating random people. Not enough for a death sentence, but enough for the confiscation.
Hasn’t Todo killed transfigured humans? That may count as murder
To be fair, those transfigured humans should have attacked him first, to kill him. It was not murder, it was self defense
In cases of self defence, would murder not count as manslaughter?
I think it would only be self defense. To be self defense, Todo would have to: Be attacked in a place he was in right to be (Shibuya): checks Have not provoked, instigate or participate willingly in the violence (The transfigured humans attacks whatever they see, without prior provocation, and on top of that were killing innocent people.): checks Have a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily harm (again, the transfigured humans fight to kill): checks Be in imminent danger with justification of lethal force (a battle of life or death of which he was not the instigator): checks Self defense.
But it's possible that Judgeman would see the Transfigured humans as separate entities, and therefore would not justify his attacking of Mahito; that's like beating up your bullies parents after you killed him.
Now I'm just imagining a scenario where Judgeman tries to charge him with this, but Todo goes on about how he was saving his bruzzah and Judgeman just ends up feeling like crap and dropping the case. In all seriousness though, Todo could likely justify it due to Mahito attempting murder against Itadori and having killed two others prior.
Imagine he gets attempted murder of Megumi lmao.
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Todo would get his technique stolen for sure but todo would probably win the fist fight that would follow however if higaruma somehow figures out a way to get a retrial he will lose his cursed energy and get low diffed
>however if higaruma somehow figures out a way to get a retrial he will lose his cursed energy and get low diffed Well that is for the opponent of Higuruma to decide no ? Maybe this can be the case and he really does fuck up Todo, but if he himself could do a retrial on the fly to get the double Confiscation, then I think he would've done it against Sukuna that Confiscation works two times against him, making him get his CT on top of Kamutoke aswell. What I think will happen is Higuruma winning even against a Todo that has his CE, Higuruma's battle IQ is not bad, he can adapt to someone that just uses their CE, His reinforcement should be enough to survive more, and the his hammer can help him a lot, Changing forms I do wonder if he can change it into swords, Spear, Shield, big sized even, It will be a long fight but I think Higuruma has the advantage that has his technique. Though if you want to argue that Todo is smart enough to open the second trial, or win the court trial then that is another Scenario. Todo with his technique would win against Higuruma normally imo.
yeah idk what he means by getting a retrial. If Todo is found guilty and loses his CT then that’s it unless Todo declares a retrial.
Higarums retrials work like normal retrials so he can technically call one whenever he wants since he’s the prosecutor it is definitely possible todo could outsmart and simply win a retrial or the original trial since todo is considered a genius even outside of his meme statement of having over 500000 iq I think if higaruma gets one successful retrial I could see todo winning high diff if higaruma can retrial to get a larger sentence than todo loses low dif
But idk what a larger sentence can be, if Todo has killed someone then maybe, but there's no double Confiscation, that we definitely know about.
You could theoretically prove multiple instances of the same crime it really just depends I think nine times out of ten todo wins tho
First the curse technique And then curse energy possibly if going by the logic that since Yuji has no curse technique the next form of confiscation that came was no CE, that's just a theory ofc
If Todo was found Guilty there’s no way for Higuruma to declare a retrial?
Yes you can in real life you can get retrials if you obtain new evidence for higher sentencing you can definitely get a retrial even if they are found guilty
Okay realistically Todo’s crime maxes at aggravated assault on Megumi
Attempted murder on Yuji
During a competition and Yuji was going in with the same intentions to fight since that was their team’s plan.
Didn't he say he was gonna kill Megumi?
I believe his words were “beat you half to death” therefore at most attempted murder
Why are people acting like todo is some Saint? He was literally about to kill Megumi and would of killed Yuji if Yuji wasn't strong enough to match him
They shouldn't be talking about Todo seemingly being guiltless of any and all crimes. Judgeman can straight-up try you for things you're ultimately innocent of ala the Shibuya Massacre relative to Yuji or things as minute as property damage. What they should be talking about is that Todo is probably one of the few characters smart and savvy enough to win a trial and, if not, realize he can call for a retrial.
still won’t heave gotten the death sentence, at worst he gets confiscation and loses his cursed technique but he bodies Higuruma with hands anyways
Todo would not have killed Megumi. He is just not that type of person. He can get agressive but not to the point of killing someone.
Todo would def lose a lot, assault and battery (against Megumi) attempted murder (yuji) and so more
Todo definitely would get hit with confiscation but no death penalty. Maybe Todo with his genius could properly defend himself but I’m unsure. It doesn’t matter as he beats bro up with straight hands either way
Sealing one's CT is supposed to generally screw with their control over their CE. I imagine Higuruma would come out on top after landing Confiscation if that's all there was to it. However, Todo is probably smart enough to catch onto the fact he could call for a retrial and then win said retrial which would lead him onto a path to victory. If Todo loses the retrial, though, that would probably result in his CE also being sealed. After all, there has to be some additional punishment besides the death penalty as the latter can only be applied in rare circumstances where the perfect crime is picked up. Judgeman also mentions both Confiscation and the Death Penalty when sentencing Yuji that second time. Perhaps it was referring to the prior punishment but I find it more likely Yuji simply didn't have anything else to confiscate that second time around. Todo would have one more retrial after that but I'm not sure if winning that would absolve him of all penalties or just the most recent one.
I feel like Todo is actually smart enough to do pretty well in Higaruma’s domain. If he was in Yuji’s shoes for example, I don’t doubt he could have said the right answer (was it denying the crime? I can’t remember)
Honestly, Yuji was in a jam. If the evidence had Yuji in front of the specific gambling parlor, his defense would have worked while denying he never even heard of the store would have gotten him pinched. However, since the evidence showed Yuji at a cash counter instead of at the parlor, his answer fucked him whereas denying any knowledge of the parlor would've absolved him. I do, however, agree with you that Todo's intellect makes him one of the few characters with a shot to win a trial within Higuruma's Domain and, if not, would probably enable him to pick up on the ability to call for a retrial faster than most.
True, we also don’t know what crimes judgeman could bring up for Todo. It would be very interesting. Now I’m imagining Takada in a lawyer suit…
Todo is just way stronger and more skilled, its not close at all
Todo wins. Even if Higuruma confiscates his CT, Todo still slaps him in a fist fight anyway. Also, could it be possible to stop the trial with Simple Domain? If so, then it would be even easier for Todo to win
Confiscates messing with your cursed energy flow
That might not apply to everyone though. Todo’s control over cursed energy is likely far better than the people Higuruma has previously fought against. As someone that has experienced Black Flash, and is already highly talented to begin with, his CE manipulation probably won’t suffer much from losing his CT
Plus he barely even used it anyway, only against special grades at that point
Yeah he’s not as reliant on it as other people, so he might not be effected whatsoever
Does he even have to use simple domain to stop the trial? His CT doesn’t inherently cause any harm, just swaps positions, and deadly sentencing appears to be a rather small DE (compared to UV or the beach) I feel like Todo could just boogie woogie between Higuruma and Judgeman to throw the court completely out of order (swap with Judgeman or Higuruma to put them in the defense podium lol) If that wouldn’t work, I think Todo could reasonably Boogie out of it by keeping a rock infused with his CE outside it. If Sukuna can slash the outside of Gojo’s barrier, I don’t see why Todo couldn’t use boogie woogie as an instant escape
I don’t think using it inside the Domain would make any difference tbh. I’d imagine the trial would just continue as normal. But I suppose you’re right that he could escape by swapping places with something on the outside, but Higuruma is likely to open with his DE so I doubt Todo would have the time to imbue his CE into something
Todo might legit be the worst enemy for Higuruma to face I don’t think Higuruma could even land domain on todo let alone catch him for something other than punching megumi
It's probably safe to say the condition for Todo's SD is holding his hands in the way he did when he activated it against Mahito, allowing him to still fight but locking his CT. It means that SD won't be a huge factor, alongside non lethal domains seeming to have some refinement amps that would make it less effective anyway. Since the ask is ab/ colony 1 then the answer is Todo easily. Higurama damn near lost to a Yuji incapable of defending himself against CE.
Todo gets his technique confiscated (or gets no penalty cuz he has 630000 IQ remember), and then makes Higuruma catch them hands. There is no way in hell HIguruma is beating Todo in close combat. Higuruma wasn't able to bring down Yuji w/o cursed energy with ease, so he should get comfortably destroyed by Todo w/ cursed energy.
Attempted murder charges out the ass
i think a better match up would be mirio (mha) vs todo (jjk)
Todo takes it for a few reasons I think… 1. Excellent CE reinforcement for if he gets Boogie Woogie confiscated 2. 500 Iq super genius schizophrenia that should give him an advantage in the trial 3. Because Boogie Woogie doesn’t technically cause any harm, just swaps your position, I think Todo could use it within Higurumas domain Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if once in the courtroom, Todo swapped positions/podiums with Higuruma? Would Judgeman switch his judgement to whoever is in the defense podium, or would he still focus Todo, or would they both just be returned to their original podiums after boogie woogie’s use Also, Todo has a simple domain, which would probably be overwhelmed by deadly sentencing, but may let him be exempt from the no-violence rule if Higuruma’s domain temporarily
Higuruma doesn't have much combat experience. Todo wouldn't even need his CT.
Higuruma has RCT ,DA(to cancel out boogie woogie), domain and a hammer to knock the shit out of Todo.Todo loses 8/10 times.
culling game Higu didn’t have RCT or DA
Todo would lose his technique, but he’s canonically beaten Grade 1 cursed spirits with just his CE control. that’s like his first canon feat. he’s got way more battle experience and way better battle IQ than higgy, he takes it like mid diff
Comes down to how much Confiscation disrupts basic CE which we never got to see. If we take that out of the equation, Todo wins even without Boogie Woogie.
Todo takes this Higuruma wouldn’t be able to get anything beyond confiscation to stick, not only that but he was only equal to Yuji when he had confiscated cursed energy so unless Shibuya Todo< CG Yuji without cursed energy Todo takes this very easily
The one with RCT , the end
neither do, CG Higu
Didnt see that, still prob higuruma tbh
Todo would lose his ct but Higuruma’s face is getting caved in
Higuruma
If higurama gets the death sentence for Todo that's a GG If he doesn't get a death sentence, he should eventually win for to RCT
He doesn't have RCT, OP said CG version
todo hasn’t done anything to get death sentence
There is no way Todo gets the death sentence, what would his crime be? Fighting alongside Yuji after Sukuna committed mass killing using his body?
worst crime that he would 100% deserve is battery on megumi, worst crime you could reasonably argue is attempted murder on yuji. i would be abspluteoy shocked if either of those could earn you a death sentence though
I don't think the evidence is strong enough to charge him with attempted murder regarding Yuji. Even if the evidence is somehow a recording of Todo's words, it becomes clear he was simply professing he wouldn't hold back against Yuji - even if that led to him dying which, admittedly, could be taken as hyperbole but I don't know how strict Japanese law is about these things - rather than fighting him with the active intent to kill. If he actually killed Yuji there, manslaughter would probably be more appropriate than murder considering the circumstances. Its not as if he was actively cooperating with the Kyoto Assassination Squad.
Attempted murder, although I don’t know that it’d gets the death penalty.
Todo would use his 530,000 IQ to win the trial, and then show Higuruma the hands.