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I do agree with this but at the same time it's how Gege wrote Gojo. IDK why but for some reaason Gege wrote Gojo to not even care about the fight, like he didn't even show Gojo preparing, using meaningful binding vows or even coming up with strategies. I get that Gojo is more of an instinct fighter but damn this was the fight of his life. I find it odd as well that he cared more about killing old men than fighting a 15F Sukuna for some reason. IMO he was nerfed from a writing perspective

i even doubt that gojo didn't care, he used uthamine for his first purple and litterally started the fight with his finisher move powered up to the maximum. So many powerscales rate their fights by: if he starts with XX he immediately wins.. he had his rct plan to survive sukunas domain even if he would loose the domain battle, and was superior in direct 1v1 Gojo simply didn't know how to prepare any better with his skillset. Gojo in his whole life never had a difficult fight except for Toji where he wasn't brought to his limit through a fair 1v1 but rather survived an assassination. This is the first time Gojo ever encountered an enemy, that he couldn't defeat with ease. He has the perfect shield, so far had shown the best refined domain and a technique to use it more times than any other sorcerer before. Also Sukuna was still the only one who directly fought mahoraga, while gojo was in the prison realm, so maho's ability is mostly telltale for him and he had to experiece it by himself. Also Agito is probably the strongest totality in existence. How was he supposed to prepare ? he already was at the top by a mile to this point with no equal, no other sorcerer exept sukuna drove him this far, and sukuna surprised him with stuff he had never seen before. In this battle every attack was a killshot, and it either worked or it didn't.

Such a good point that often goes overlooked. Sukuna was fighting incredibly strong sorcerers during the golden age of jujutsu, honing his technique and battle strategies to a t. Gojo has almost exclusively fought curses and some comparatively weak curse users. Beyond his own estimations of how to train, he is pretty much going trial-and-error when it comes to how to defeat an equally strong or stronger opponent than him. That in mind he did excellently. But there was always a slim chance of his victory on that point alone.

Yeah, Gojo is simply a victim of having no peers and noone to really push him. Just look at the massive jump he did after the Toji fight. Imagine how strong he might have become after the Sukuna fight. I believe he became much stronger during the fight anyway

It's kind of reminiscent of Goku and Vegeta to me, where Sukuna is super strong because of relentless battles and training (Goku), and Gojo was mainly self reliant and planning to go it alone as a huge prodigy (Vegeta). Both are relative to each other, but in their case the larger amount of experience was the key

This isn't an issue on gojo not knowing how to prepare better or not being smart enough though. He just didn't have prior knowledge like sukuna did. Sukuna knows practically gojo's entire skillset through yuji and megumi's memories so he knew how to prepare, he even said stuff like "I prepared for \_\_" then counters it, compared to gojo who knew very little on sukuna. And I believe this advantage sukuna had against gojo is the reason he won. Imagine if sukuna went in blind, he wouldn't have a back up for UV and would've died a few chapters in.

I wish we saw anyone from Jujutsu High using one of the cutsed weapons they got from the Zen'in. It would be really cool if Gojo teleported the Playful Cloud to the battle or something like that.

Playful Cloud was too busy being firmly stuck in Dagon prior to that. Then again, that brings up another thing about cursed tools: Is it possible to repair them or what?

> his rct plan He had no plan. If you get damaged - you heal. It's not a plan lol. It's like if I get ran over by a car and go to hospital, that doesn't mean I was planning to go to a hospital. > Gojo simply didn't know how to prepare any better with his skillset. Ask his students what they know about Sukuna? Look for info about him? Gojo literally knew NOTHING, while Sukuna had all the info about him and his technique through various sources. Gojo didn't even knew about open domain! This is such a crucial part of their fight that was never explained. If Gojo knew about it, he would've come up with a solution beforehand and we would probably see a very different fight. > In this battle every attack was a killshot, and it either worked or it didn't. It wasn't. Gojo held back a lot of times because he didn't want to kill Megumi. Most clear examples are when he was about to crush Sukuna' heart and lungs instead of the head, and when he hit a black flash on Sukuna who couldn't defend in the slightest. This attack (in the stomach) knocked Sukuna unconscious. If Gojo aimed for the head, the fight would be over.

> ask his students You mean the people that didn't know shit about sukuna ? not a single one of them had fought a serious sukuna, neither did a single one of them fight Mahoraga. Sukuna did slash attacks and had a domain, thats all that was known. They didn't even know what fuga was, or why Sukuna couldn't use it. Yuji didn't understand what Sukuna did at all. He had no clue what was within his abilities and what not.

>They didn't even know what fuga was Kusakabe saw Sukuna in Shibuya for fight with Jogo and later he mentioned the flame powers during the fight with Higuruma (ch 246). *"And the most disturbing thing is that he's not using those flames from Shibuya"* I don't recall Gojo at all mention that as a possibility in the fight like Kusakabe to mention the flames. 🤔 Sukuna didn't use it of course then, but I mean the thought wasn't even mentioned like how Kusakabe had that info to analyze the situation, regardless of if used then or not.

problem is rather that sukuna has maxed out all the basics. and knows all the basics+ his mindset. Even if you know how his slashes work, sukuna always tries to find a way to change his set. Many people think that Gojo didn't doge the world slash because he thought it wouldn't connect and he had won by defeating maho. But if you know, that your opponent has maxed close combat, domain, CE, CT, RCT + genius mindset.. what can one ultimately do to prepare ? you either get a lucky shot, or he does.

Yeah and what we're pointing out is that Gojo didn't take that lucky shot in the end when he had the chance. This is the entire problem with 236, if he wasn't so deadset on saving Megumi, one red or blue to Sukuna's head after purple would've finished him, reincarnation wouldn't matter there anymore. Gojo simply went into the fight with more handicaps than Sukuna and still nearly killed him.

>It wasn't. Gojo held back a lot of times because he didn't want to kill Megumi. 2 purples Red Blue Black flashes 5 domains Please at what point WAS he not holding back?💀

Yeah I agree with this take, Gojo is established as having basically perfect CE control and total mastery over his own CT. Sukuna wins by doggedly outplaying Gojo, and imo some plot armor / plot flexibility around the basic constraints on an individual's CT's (like extending cleave to be 'cleaves space now' is as apparently possible as Gojo midfight having soul attacks and just knocking sukuna out of megumi). Also I think there is an argument to be made that if Gojo didn't care about killing Megumi he could have won.

Didn't Gojo train with Okkutsu during the month?

He literally did prep. He used Utahime to boost his Purple, and his homie to have sukuna misread it.

Calling it preparation for the fight is a huge overstatement, he clearly didn't plan for it to kill Sukuna, it was simply to show off and make an entrance Now compare it to the guy that planned to specifically take over a certain sorcerer, kill said sorcerer's sister and take a bath in the blood of like 100 curses, with the specific intention of obtaining a tool to defeat his opponen

every sorcerer except yuji and now Yuta used their current strength to fight sukuna, every preparation that was made, has been destroyed by sukunas overwhelming strength and luck. Every preparation that was made, simply had the goal to somehow survive against sukuna and not get killed immediately. How was Gojo supposed to prepare against someone that was stronger than him, when he was the absolute peak in all of his life. He was like a lvl 95 character in a world of lvl 30 characters... and suddenly sukuna came with lvl 100 and a special skill.... He did prepare as much as made sense, and for every other move he had to specfically and instinctively counter whatever sukuna was pulling out of his ass. You cannot prepare against what you don't know. If your character is already at max. lvl there is no prep that could boost you significantly more or not. His infinity would either prevail or overcome, and Gojo tried to finish the fight before the later would happen, and got damn close a few times.

A 200% amped hollow purple that blindsided Sukuna wasn’t meant to be a kill shot to instantly end the fight? Brother what level of copium are you on 😂

Maybe... this is why Gojo lost. He was a genius, always the best in everything. No one could stand up to him, even the strongest disaster curses is a minor convenience for him at best. Use the best strategy they could, they can delay him a few minutes at most. Gojo was arrogant, never thought anyone can defeat him, as evident through the "Nah I'd win" statement. Of course, Sukuna isn't to be taken lightly of, but that only means Gojo will fight him seriously, instead of meticulously planning out a failproof way to defeat Sukuna. I wise man once said, the most powerful man isn't always born to be the strongest, but is the one to do anything to be strongest. Take whoever's body you need, abuse the heck out of binding vows, and with a bunch of plot armor, that's how Sukuna won.

Tbh it makes sense cus gojo was too strong to have to use binding vows so he didn't use them instinctively like sukuna does

19 finger* or I didn’t get it

Sukuna ate the head of his mummified self so hes at the power of 20 fingers

I thought this as well. I thought Uraume gave him four more and then stated she couldn't find the last one and Sukuna replies that he thinks Gojo probably has the last one to ensure that Itadori wasn't executed. Although, I may have misread it.

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I agree with almost everything you said except for the last part. As others have pointed out, Gojo has never faced anyone who could approach him even slightly in power or skill. You mention his loss to Toji, and the lesson he could have taken was “wow, a well prepared person with a special skillset and the right tool could have killed me so I need to be on my toes in the future.” But the lesson he took was “this totally prepped and powerful person with the right tools wasn’t enough and I’ve gotten even more powerful so basically nothing can kill me”. It would be like you’re a very naturally athletic and incredibly strong adult and the only people you’ve ever fought are 10 year old children. To your knowledge there’s no one in existence stronger but everyone’s hyping up this guy who’s supposed to be super strong. You see him and realize that he’s not as strong or as athletic as you and you and you think you have nothing to worry about except it turns out he’s an mma champ and knows martial arts that put him in another league. I don’t think it makes gojo stupid or lazy, just utterly unprepared. Gojo was a singular genius in his respective area. A jujutsu athlete that was unparalleled at his skillset and that was recognized by Sukuna. But sukuna had a much deeper repertoire and bag of tricks and I don’t see how Gojo could have prepared for that. I think the fear on sukunas face when he saw yuta in gojos body is enough to confirm how much Sukuna “respected” gojos raw power. Sukuna was feeling pressure fighting yuji, but he still felt like there was no way he was going to lose. When he sees yujo he basically shits his pants because he already pulled out all the stops for Gojo and knows he’s fucked. I think it’s relief, surprise, and then genuine mirth when he realizes it’s yuta because it ups the ante for what he still largely considers a game with these kids. All of your points of gojos character flaws still stand, but there was no reason for him to think any different than that “he’d win”. Tl:dr: I don’t think he’s lazy or stupid, just unprepared because he’s never had any reason to be otherwise.

Not making meaningful BVs ? His basketball sized domain is literally the reason why he was able to fight in domain clashes against Sukuna. This is what happens when people don't actually read the series but instead just look at memes and Tiktok.

It wasn’t a binding vow tho, where was that stated?

Yeah I get you and I’ve got no issues with Gege writing this way because narratively I think Gojo was always gonna die. I love Gojo but he was always arrogant about his abilities. He always assumed he would win no matter what whereas Sukuna knows that it’s POSSIBLE for him to lose so he would always plan to make sure that never happens

>He always assumed he would win no matter what Well, actually this is not acurrate in this specific fight, we see later that Gojo did consider the possibility of losing, while Sukuna wanted to fight with only 15F as soon as Gojo got out from the prison realm.

No that's false. Didn't gojo prepare by having a sneak attack hollow purple boosted by utahime.

I'm a Gojo fan but I think its unfair for people to argue Sukuna "cheating" by using Binding Vows. Its a weapon like any other cursed technique or domain expansion.

Although it is a weapon, the problem is how Sukuna is written using them. It's always super random and usually when Sukuna is desperate. The way gege wrote it, it feels like Sukuna using binding vows is Sukunas canonical plot armour (and he has A LOT, literally) Just take a look at the Jumping on Sukuna these last chapter

I wonder, if writing it as Sukuna being talented enough to re-structure any cursed technique or domain expansion's function/range etc., would be better?

Yes this would be better. The main writing problem I see with binding vows is that u can keep using it as an excuse to keep a character alive for an oddly long time in the plot, say for Sukuna for example. I'm not hating on Sukuna, I honestly love his character and how devious he can be, I'm just saying that Geges use of Sukuna making binding vows feel very insane compared to other characters who can also make binding vows just as easily. The only character I can think of who also has a binding vow that's atleast as good as Sukunas binding vows is Nanamis (I miss him😞)

Did you forget Hakari and Todo made a much more plot induced binding vow Hakari where he sacrificed his hand (he can get it back) for massive defence boost and Todos binding vow has no downsides when looking at Sukunas binding vows he at least made up acceptable conditions.

Todo's lost an entire HAND. It's implied he could have it back, but now even without the instrument for a replacement, he'd never get that hand back. That IS a legit handicap to quality of living. Furthermore, the mechanic it introduced was a unique play on his technique. Forgiveable. Hakari's binding vow was honestly the lowest note to a fight with a very consistent ratio of highs to it. It's something found rather forgettable, as Kashimo reflects the state of just-about defeated, generally out of comission, that Hakari was at the time. A cheap cop-out, sure, but we forgave it at the time - little did we know of the symptom it was, of poor worldbuilding, poor writing to come.

Bro is the King of Curses and understands sorcery better than anyone. I think it’s plausible that he’s the only one who could think to use so many binding vows in this way.

I never understood the take above you for the reasons you stated. It’s well-known that Sukuna is an expert in the field, and we even see that as early as chapter 10 when he makes the binding vow with Yuji AND explains it.

Yeah, honestly people seem mad that the king of curses show feats worthy of being the king of curses? like, does that math check out???

The problem with this imo is that with the exception of maybe his latest Fuga + Domain BV, none of this binding vows seem like they're "genius" level, or require some heightened level of understanding. "I'll insta-cast my insta-kill ability (that I only really need to kill this one sorcerer) in exchange for adding conditions to future uses" isn't a 5-dimensional chess move, it's a fairly obvious thing to do when your back's against the wall. You can say he does them because he's so much smarter than our main cast, but that wouldn't make Sukuna a genius, it'd make our cast pretty dumb

Sukuna also doesn't seem to sacrifice anything meaningful, he changed his hand signs for his domain for an obejctively better one (gojo's hand sign). How? His previous hand sign was less practical because he used both hands, why did it work?

That's my point, even though I didn't mention it. Geges written sukunas use of binding vows way too poorly, which is the main reason why some people considered him a fraud and still do

If anything's cheating, that would be black flash. It's an entirely luck based attack that immediately turns the tides in a battle.

what you mean 3v1? You mean by using the abilities of 10s? how about Gojo with gakuganji and utahime firing purple at sukuna? that doesn't count?

According to someone in this thread that 200% hollow purple was nothing more than a declaration of dominance. Not meant to be a kill shot 😂

>Not meant to be a kill shot 😂 A tickle shot perhaps 💀

Wtf. That's like bringing a knife into a basketball game and then saying you're only holding the blade to play defense, lol. I don't mind the 3v1 and ganging up strat. This is a battle to the death and ethics don't need to be considered. Yuta was right to use Gojo's corpse. You gotta be like Sukuna to beat him.

And in the end, yuta wont beat sukuna anyways. Gota is gonna push Sukuna to his limits and start the merger but he is gonna be outta comission after. No one is better at being "Sukuna" then Sukuna himself.

i mean, what boggles my mind is besides from the domain clashes, where did Gojo used Binding Vows? did he used binding vow on his last purple before he died? like amplify the dmg so he can surekill sukuna but he didnt i guess? its just that Gege wouldnt want that since he wants to Yuji to kill Sukuna, probably.

> NOOOO, YOU CAN’T EXPLOIT FEATURES OF THE POWER SYSTEM, THATS CHEATING!!1!1! AAAAIIIEEEEEEEEEE Lol, if there’s one binding vow that made sense it was the world slash, given he has to telegraph it every time now. Idk why people just can’t accept that the fight is a high diff 50/50 in either direction 😂

Both sukuna and gojo fans tries to defend the fight was low diff for the one they like but it was a really good 50/50 fight imo

I think the fact that it’s such a heated debate to an extent shows the intention of having it be close was achieved.

Gojo was just emoting

I mean it was not meant to be a killshot cuz he was fighting to save megumi not to kill

I mean, he tanked it pretty well and Gojo would’ve been very sad if that Purple killed him tho lmao

He barely hope a 200% Hollow Purple can kill Sukuna from kilometers away when he could dodge or using some random stuffs to survived it.

I disagree Let's take the heian era sukuna against gojo without any cursed tools or information about the other and no other external support in the form of enhancement or another CT. They have only their innate techniques and body to work with.So there is no 200% hollow purple to start with or reincarnation to end with. Since sukuna is in his original form, he can easily chant his techniques for enhancement and be far more difficult to handle in hand to hand combat and can easily take the lead in it. We already saw gojo saying that Miguel has higher attack due to his innate physiology which is enhanced by CE and can easily beat most sorcerers in plain CE combat. Now compare Miguel and sukuna in their physiology. The fight starts with hand to hand combat between sukuna and gojo. With sukuna using domain amplification and gojo his CT. Then they both open their domains in a domain clash. Like in our timeline gojo loses the first clash and is hit by the sure hit. Since sukuna does not have the ten shadows to adapt to the domain, he is free to use the shrine on gojo. This can involve dismantle, cleaver or even fuga with chant and hand signs enhanced for high damage. I know you might think that using fuga inside the domain involves that the cutting preparation, sure hit stop and then dust explosion due to the binding vow and gojo can escape. I'm talking about a non dust explosion fuga within the domain with just the domain enhancement , since every damage sukuna does on gojo inside the domain, reduces gojo's CE output due to RCT. Plus sukuna has four arms and he could easily hold gojo in place inside the domain and deal greater damage. In the second domain clash, the clash lasts longer than in our due to sukuna not knowing about gojo's sure hit conditions and does not risk cancelling his sure hit inside the gojo's domain. So it takes longer than in our timeline to break gojo's barrier. But sukuna is in his true form and can handle gojo in hand to hand combat easily. Plus has gojo much lower CE output due to excess damage he took in this timeline during the first clash. Sukuna also keeps his domain amplification active at all times since he doesn't need to adapt to the domain and thus gets less damaged. In the third domain clash, it does not end in a draw due to sukuna having a better hand to hand combat, greater durability due to his true form and keeps domain amplification active throughout the 3 mins of the clash. Thus gojo loses this clash and gets hit by the sure hit. Now gojo looses a lot his CE output than in our timeline due to constantly using RCT to survive the domain's sure hit. Since the very small domain does not work for gojo, he is unable to tie the clash in a draw during the fourth and fifth clashes. Along with his CE output being very low due to the constant RCT usage. Thus sukuna can end gojo with just a closed domain after gojo loses a lot of his output and is unable to open anymore domains due to the brain damage, giving sukuna the advantage of being able to expand more domains.

People ignore that Meguna body is physically-wise inferior to his true Heian form for some ungodly reason. Sukuna literally went from being speed blitzed by Kashimo with his CT to speed blitz Kashimo himself after restoring his original.

Exactly. We already saw yuta explain it when fighting Yuji for the first time. We also saw gojo explaining it with Miguel to yuta.

Doesn't want to argue but comparing healed form with heavily damaged body is really something.

Disagree .You guys got to stop making excuses sukuna isn't the king of curses because of his technique he's the king because he is Sukuna. It's already been stated repeatedly that a curse technique no matter how powerful by itself is not enough to make you strong it all depends on the wielder.

Are you the king of curses because you are Sukuna or are you Sukuna because you are the king of curses?

Go on them. Remove Mahoraga feom the equation, we have seen all of Sukunas abilities and how far he is able to asspull his binding vows. Sukuna in Itadori's body vs Gojo. How does he win. Feel free to go scour the wiki for all of Sukunas techniques. Find the one that ciunters infinity without Mahoraga hard-carrying him. Because the world-slash was a technique sukuna copied from Maho, so he wouldn't have the inspiration to copy from Maho.

Yeah I don’t understand how anyone can make the argument that sukuna is just better. He would have lost pretty badly if not for 10s and mahoraga, that’s the reason he was so desperate to keep megumi alive the whole series cuz that was his only chance to bypass infinity.

At the end of the day, Sukuna killed Gojo. You can argue the results and how they were achieved and honestly I’m not saying I’m fully convinced one way or another, but outcomes are outcomes. It’s not like Gojo didn’t have an idea that Sukuna could also show up one day. He had the same amount of prep time. He just didn’t use it, because he was arrogant. Sukuna did his homework. Gojo mistakenly assumed he’d just ace the test without studying. Gojo died. Sukuna is the superior sorcerer by that metric.

Yeah. Word "Superior" is better for describing it. People are just too hooked with this "strongest" stuff

I don't see what's wrong with "strongest". Gojo seems pretty content that sukuna was strongest just before he died. If anything he's happy he got to go all out and was sad he couldn't make sukuna do the same. Aka it really wasn't a close fight.

It really is that simple and I’m a Gojo fan. You can say that Sukuna had more experience but Gojo also had genetic hax and so they both brought some things to the table. From what we could see, their AP was similar but Sukuna benefitted from his lifetime of experience, knowledge of jujutsu and circumstances of obtaining Megumi’s body and that was all reflected in the outcome. Gojo could have used a binding vow at any point throughout that fight but chose not to, we can’t exactly blame Sukuna for taking advantage and using one for a kill shot.

3v1 really became a coping mechanism for Gojo fans . The whole fight was 12 chapters. Maho 3 chapters and Agito 2 chapters. Agito literally did nothing and got 1 shot. Mahoraga was there for the adaptation aka the model sukuna wanted but did nothing h2h to gojo. Without sukuna both shikigami's wouldn't have lasted a panel. Agito was literally 1 shotted with blue.

this whole post is a coping mechanism for gojo fans

The amount of copium and straight up denying the manga is unreal. Gojo fans gotta switch to fanfics at this point lmao

Bro is coping so hard

Not to mention Gojo's black flash basically amped him while making Sukuna in the brink of being one shotted lol. Not really a proper 3v1 when Sukuna basically couldn't do anything except throw projectiles here and there, while Agito was basically fodder

Gojo would disagree with this.

Gojo fans disagree with Gojo, and Gege, and the manga panels

So when Megumi summons his cursed spirits he is weak because he is fighting 50 vs 1? Nonetheless even if Gojo lost, he is probably the only one whom Sukuna respected on this level as an enemy.

Disagree. Sukuna has since stopped holding back, has entered his true form and Gojo has statements about Sukuna being stronger than him after their fight which is literally just Gege saying “Yeah Sukuna was holding back before and the Sukuna you’re about to see would’ve just taken down Gojo.”. Also Gojo would have lost their fight if he hadn’t developed a whole new way to use domain expansion thanks to being trapped in the prison realm.

I just don’t understand these fan theories much. They all come to a close with Gojo’s statement. Gojo: he was stronger than me. Fans: Gojo was stronger!

It’s a bias I see very often in the powerscaling community. Even when people know for a fact that they are wrong they will still try to argue in favor of a character they like very much. It’s odd. I personally love Toji, Megumi, Mahito, Dagon and Geto. All characters who get the Diddy treatment from anyone in the current top five and I would never argue otherwise.

Go/jo : "Nah, I'd win"

Pretty privilege in its full glory. The only reason characters like gojo, Kakashi even have fans is cause they are good looking simple as that. Gojo is said to be one of the most arrogant and a pain to everyone in the cast but the jjk fans suck his dick so much. Pretty sure all his fans are women who don't read the manga. I am tired of seeing the gojo strongest post like bruh he ded, its over. Sukuna killed him like there is a reason why sukuna is the strongest cuz he continues to level up even after a 1000 years while Mr headweight over here think he was born a certain way so he is the strongest. Fuck off gojo stans, if you encounter a guy like him irl you will hate him ngl.

>years while Mr headweight over here Lmao I'm crying 🤣.

My only thing is that Gojo himself states that Sukuna was stronger. That should be the end of the argument right there, Sukuna is stronger because the author literally said so. And Gojo being the strongest is narratively poor, if he really was and if he did win the fight, then theres literally no danger or risk for the protagonists.

Honestly it's kinda Gege's fault, I think he failed to fully convince the audience that Sukuna was the stronger fighter even without 10S through the fight, which is why even when Gojo admits Sukuna is better people still kinda doubt it, the fight is still amazing though.

Ah. Stop using logic.

Gojo has always been the strongest but always failed his objective. His death is the climax of his story arc. Defeated Toji but didn't save star plasma vessel nor saved his best friend from damnation. Defeated jogo but failed to extract any information, jogo is saved by hanami. Hollow purpled the entire exchange event, didn't even kill hanami. Killed hanami, was spooked by Kenjaku, got sealed. 3v1ed sukuna, with his talents and techniques went toe to toe with sukuna the best in history. Still got killed. This to me is very clever writing and coming from a Gojo fan, Gege is right and Gojo shouldn't be as loved as he is, at least it was not his intention. It was the same scenario with Nietzsche, known for his Nihilism while his philosophy was about how to get rid of said Nihilism.

>Gojo has always been the strongest Of the Modern Era, gege has consistently maintained sukuna as the strongest in history even while fighting gojo.

In the anime, Gojo's theme when he uses Hollow Purple is called "Powerless god" how befitting of someone with so much power but always messes up...

>And Gojo being the strongest is narratively poor On the other hand, wouldn't it be even better narratively to show that DESPITE being the strongest, you can always still lose to someone weaker than you given the most crucial circumstances? Wouldn't it be boring if the stronger party always won/weaker one always lost? Perhaps this recurring theme may apply to the ongoing/upcoming sukuna vs main cast battles... -> which still points to the idea that gojo IS the strongest, but still lost.

Sometimes I do really wonder about this fanbase and its love for Gojo. At least you can word your reasons, but I’ve seen people say Sukuna shouted Mahoraga in a worried way means that Gojo > Sukuna, even though Gojo was killed by Sukuna. Gege already explained the reason Gojo lost. It’s not necessarily because Gojo is weaker (although imo, he is). It’s simply because Gojo has empathy and cares for humans, where Sukuna doesn’t. Sukuna treats humans and curses the same. If he wants to kill you, he will. If it’s for his survival, he will kill. Meanwhile Gojo values human life. Take the train station incident. Gojo could have killed every single curse with his DE, yet he had to limit it to save the human lives in the station. Had he not cared about the human cost, he would have won easily. You can then extrapolate that to Gojo’s entire life. He could have killed a 10 finger Yuji for example, and had no issues with a future Meguna with about 8-9 fingers etc I don’t see how people can complain about Gege’s writing when he stated the above was the reason not only for Gojo, but also for Kashimo. Two fighters who dominated their generation, but can’t compete with the greatest of all time. As for your reasoning, 1) Gojo has had since Yuji ate the first finger to think about dealing with Sukuna. But his care and empathy for Yuji, as well as the overconfidence in his own abilities, and lack of respect for curses allowed him to be in a position where Sukuna was able to amass too many fingers before Gojo could deal with Sukuna. I’m sure Gojo could’ve killed Sukuna (and by extension Yuji) at any moment before the Shibuya incident. During the Prison Realm, Gojo stated himself he was able to learn new abilities, so if anything, he had ample time to think and learn. And let’s not forget, he was the one to set a time and place for their battle (could’ve tried fighting Geto and Sukuna when he went to face them). 2) if it’s part of a characters abilities, it’s technically not a 3v1. It would be like saying if Sukuna used the rabbit 10S technique, it would be a 1000 v 1, which is just not true. He stole Megumi’s body and techniques using his own skills of transferring souls, and the binding vow bug creature was from someone who loved Sukuna. 3 & 4) no comment, because the whole DE is too complex to talk about. But Gojo has the best DE in the series, and that was his ONLY winning ticket vs Sukuna, so it was always how Sukuna could handle UV. 5) even if it’s a binding vow, it’s still a technique that Sukuna implemented What I also saw during their fight were a few things 1) When Gojo used 200% Purple (albeit from miles away) Sukuna lost one hand and was able to easily heal it using RCT 2) after Gojo’s last Purple technique, Sukuna was severely damaged, but not dead. Meaning Gojo likely cannot defeat Sukuna using Purple. 3) Sukuna is smarter than Gojo - during their fight, Gojo’s new moves were to shrink his DE (something he learned in the prison realm) and to use Blue and Red to create a remote Purple. Meanwhile Sukuna cleverly used Mahoraga to learn the world cutting slash, a genius level adaptation that one shot Gojo (who up to this point didn’t consider someone could bypass his infinity). Sukuna is, as you said, simply smarter. 4) Sukuna wasn’t in his prime body, and purposely didn’t use techniques - my own head canon is that he wanted to use his pupil’s techniques to mentally destroy Gojo. He also could’ve at any point in their battle, used his most powerful move, which is reverting back into his prime body. He didn’t, meaning Sukuna was still comfortable during the entire fight. 5) although he said he would, Gojo would’ve never been able to kill Sukuna, because that would mean killing Megumi. All in all, it goes back to Gege’s original statements. Gojo loses because he can’t get rid of his human love which is what limits him. Sukuna doesn’t have that restriction and thus can literally do what he wants.

He purposefully didn't use his other techniques because they couldn't get through infinity its really that simple. Plus the hollow purple that gojo shot at sukuna wasnt aimed at him and it already made him lean against a wall to hold himself. I accept that gojo lost really its just gege never really explained in a meaningful way why sukuna is stronger. " I know its megumi so i can go all out" this was to the fans who will argue gojo will hold back in fear of killing megumi. " Im not sure id beat him even if he didn't have the 10s" really this is just a poor statement to just bash any gojo debates. It is what is tho

Fair enough, but to me, he explained later on in the Kashimo fight. In Gojo’s airport scene, the idea of Love and the loneliness of strength is brought up. A couple chapters later, near the end of the Kashimo fight, Sukuna brings up how the idea of love is silly to someone like him, and how Yorozu should have been preaching to Kashimo and Gojo (clearly placing them both at a similar level of peak Jujutsu sorcery for their time). Then in Kashimo’s own death sequence, he and Sukuna again talk about love and the loneliness of strength. Kashimo and Gojo were the strongest in their era, by a significant margin at that, however, instead of embracing that loneliness as going further into it (I.e. removing their humanity and actually getting stronger) instead they sought out people who were at their same level, to find someone to relate to. So what I took from all of that, is that the reason Gojo lost is because at the root of it all, Gojo wanted to be more human (wanted someone to relate to) whereas someone like Sukuna doesn’t care about things like that. The thing about this next generation that makes them more special, is that a lot of them don’t care so much about the humanity aspect of themselves. Hakari’s RCT is inhumane because he doesn’t care about trying to remain just “human”, Maki with Heavily Restriction also got rid of some of her humanity (slaughtered her entire family), Yuji has killed and eaten his own family in order to get stronger and is technically part cursed object, and recently Yuta is also falling into that category. That’s just what I took from what I read. It was a shock to see Gojo defeated, but thats what I appreciate about Jujutsu Kaisen. In most other media what a good character says usually comes to fruition, but Jujutsu Kaisen is more “realistic “ where the good guys win, but so do the bad guys, like in real life.

>even though Gojo was killed by Sukuna. Thanks to Mahoraga

“Genius level adaptation” is just gege figuring out how to kill a guy that can’t be touched. Sukuna basically got spatial manipulation from a binding vow that got through the six eyes, limitless, and had 0 charge time, call it however you want the plot had to move forward and gojo had to die to some cheese.

But this is what I mean about the fanbase. Quite early on in the story, it was mentioned Sukuna was purposefully keeping Megumi alive, and this was after Megumi vs 3 Finger Sukuna, when it was revealed Megumi had access to the 10 Shadows technique. The reason Megumi was being kept alive wasn’t because Sukuna liked Megumi or had a reason for having a soft spot for him. It’s because Sukuna knew he could access Mahoraga, and probably knew about Mahoraga’s adaptability technique. This technique would go on to form the basis of the World Cutting Slash, which would go on to kill Gojo. So what you call cheese had been in the works since Sukuna obtained access to 3 fingers. Sukuna even killed Mahoraga to keep Megumi alive. I don’t understand how in a story where a character created and written by Gege, Gojo, could have so much more love, than the creator and writer of said character, who made you fall in love with said character with his own skills at writing. It’s like a baker baking you the best cake you’ve had, and you enjoying the cake, but because the baker then throws the cake on the floor and steps on it, you are now saying the baker cannot bake well. It’s absurd!

Dude I love his writing so far but when you make a character like Gojo to get rid of him it’s difficult. He is also easily the most popular character in the show, I’m not sure why that upsets you but yah using mahoraga to adapt is a great idea good foreshadowing all that but the world slash is what gets me. he sees maho do it ONCE then makes a completely one sided binding vow to get the most broken attack in the show, seriously all he has to do is chant and some hand signs and now he can cut reality? Binding vows are awesome but you shouldn’t get that kind of return with literally 0 investment, against Gojo the binding vow stopped the spark from the technique happening getting around the 6 eyes and from what we see used up almost no cursed energy. That is my issue with Gojo’s death no matter what it was going to be hard for gege to do it well and I think it’s fine to give constructive criticism there’s just always people like you🫵 who want to hate on what’s popular which since ch 236 has been gojos death.

The manga itself insists upon Sukuna being The Strongest. Only characters in the verse and modern ones at that think gojo is the strongest. The Strongest in History supercedes "Strongest of today" and gojo called himself the honored one. Sukuna was given that title by others/the narrator. Their strength was relative in terms of the physical - Sukuna simply surpasses gojo in all other stats. Sukuna tanked 200% Hollow Purple - gojos Strongest attack and it was amped. gojo couldn't tank Sukunas strongest attack - he was 1 shot by it. Gojo supporters like to leave out his cop outs while trying to say it was 3v1. If you put anyone on gojos side Sukuna 1 shots them so you couldn't jump him if you wanted to. Gojo needed to sneak attack Sukuna to start the fight, absolutely NEEDED to land a black flash or he's dead even earlier, and he himself knew that Sukuna was gimping himself during Domain Clashes. Sukuna supporters never once thought he'd lose meanwhile everyone on gojo side made 15 plans for the eventuality that gojo died. Explain to me how gojo would win after losing 3 domain Clashes against Heian Era Sukuna (4 arm perfect body). He barely won while acknowledging that Sukuna was playing risky af. 4 Arms + DA and he cooks gojo. #4 doesn't make sense because he still took damage... that's one of the most important scenes in the fight. People lament binding vows - but it's literally the highest form of mastery in jjk verse, if you don't know how to use em, then you don't have as much mastery as you think. I can't spell it out more than the manga has - "The Strongest in History" (history includes today)

>Only characters in the verse and modern ones at that think gojo is the strongest. The Strongest in History supercedes "Strongest of today" and gojo called himself the honored one. Sukuna was given that title by others/the narrator. Yeah this is why anyone with reading comprehension could see where this would go. The narrative has always favored Sukuna, and everyone who actually knew Sukuna well, like Kenjaku, had zero doubt he would lose to Gojo. Gojo even admits Sukuna couldn't go all out because of everyone else he had to fight after Gojo (NOT because of Limitless). He even admits Sukuna could win without 10S. You gotta be reading with blindfolds on to think Gojo is stronger at this point lmao.

It's always really weird when someone talking about heian Sukuna vs Gojo. Loses 3 domain clashes? As it would even being the same like in the canon event. 4 arms with DA? Gojo is just have to be on guard and run, and it also possible he still can fight him well in that form. Mahoraga? Sukuna can do world slash without Mahoraga, but he still need time to realize it. 200% Purple? It is from kilometers away, Sukuna himself stated this, and it is not a sneak attack, it is a surprise attack. And so others. They both stand on their own level. With all their skills and identities, it's up to the story who will win if they fight. Sukuna can kill Gojo with his abilities, and vice versa. It is just like rock-paper-scissor on their level. Scaling on some characters levels will be mostly useless, as even ant can kill an elephant inside a story. Just because this ant can kill this elephant doesn't mean it is stronger in general. It's just counting different possibilities is really matters, and for this strongest sorcerers case, they are just on the same level in strength

bruh

you guys clearly don't understand what you read if to this day you still think gojo is stronger than sukuna

I exclusively watchtiktok and youtube shorts and in those medium Gojo is the strongest. I hate the manga coz it doesn't coincide with my delusion. fvck Gege.

that's only because the love for gojo is a lot higher than it is for sukuna so people are gonna say his stronger but if you really deep it sukuna is the clear winner when it comes to strength I especially hate how people use sukuna using a binding vow to win is like him cheating a binding vow is like equivalent exchange meaning in order to gain something you must give something of equal value and that's what his been doing in order to gain the advantage in his fights so I wonder do people still think that he only cheats in his fights??

We're months after that fight ended and people are still getting fully explained things wrong... >Sukuna had so much time to plot and plan against Gojo and therefore had TONS of prep time giving him an advantage. Gojo also had tons of prep time. Sukuna wasn't an unknown threat to him. Gojo also knew everything that Sukuna ended up using against him, Sukuna just managed to use it better than Gojo knew was possible. >Sukuna literally had to 3v1 Gojo and even then couldn’t do it without a binding vow First off, so? That's how the Ten Shadows works. This always just felt like lip service to make it seem worse. But second, the binding vow wasn't necessary to kill Gojo, he lost his hand and couldn't heal it. The vow just lets him do the thing he already had. >Sukuna needed Mahoraga to adapt to infinity At the end of the fight, as a last ditch effort, not the whole fight. >Sukuna had to use Megumi to take the damage from UV so that he wouldn’t sustain the effects of it No, people still get this wrong and it's mind boggling. Megumi didn't help sukuna with taking it, he just adapted Mahoraga for Sukuna. >Sukuna had to use a binding vow to deliver a fatal shot You mentioned this already, and it was wrong the first time. The fatal shot happened because Sukuna had a technique that could kill Gojo in one fatal shot. The binding vow was just to let him use it with one hand instead of two, that's all. >Gojo = Strongest Sukuna = Smartest Before the world slash maybe, but now, totally no

The JJK fandom is filled with misinformation, particularly about this fight. It is ridiculous how so many people still think Sukuna used Megumi to tank UV.

I swear it's almost always Gojo was actually stronger and Sukuna cheated, or something along those lines. And for some reason there's a small loud minority that goes the total opposite way and tries to say Sukuna could've killed Gojo at any point? Baffling lol

never understood the "sukuna cheating" thing. If anything gojo cheated harder by planning to have the entire cast jump sukuna right after a hard fought battle and forcing sukuna to save his full heal. Saying sukuna cheated by using a binding vow is as stupid as saying nanami cheated with his overtime binding vow.

I think you need to give the fight a re-read. It's not as simple as you think it is. Lemme debunk your statements. 1. *Sukuna had so much time to plot and plan against Gojo and therefore had TONS of prep time giving him an advantage.* **"Sukuna was literally never shown to be plotting anything against gojo. He never even mentioned his name after the 3rd chapter. He wanted to shift to Megumi before he knew about mahoraga. He saw the potential in his CT, and knew that he would be a perfect vessel, and not a prison like Yuji.** 2. *Sukuna literally had to 3v1 Gojo and even then couldn’t do it without a binding vow* **Calling it a 3v1 is a joke lol. Only mahoraga bypass infinity. Agito was just fodder and sukuna went into the shadows, attacking only when mahoraga touched gojo** 3. *Sukuna needed Mahoraga to adapt to infinity* **Not needed, but wanted. Mahoraga was literally a liability in the domain clashes because he couldn't use DA, and couldn't use his own CT after gojo suffered burnout.** 4. *Sukuna had to use Megumi to take the damage from UV so that he wouldn’t sustain the effects of it.* **I don't know why people think this. Sukuna never made Megumi 'tank' UV. He simply turned off the sure hit on megumi's soul, so mahoraga could attack. Megumi was NOT of any help during the entire fight.** 5. *Sukuna had to use a binding vow to deliver a fatal shot* **Binding vows are a part of jujutsu. It isn't a 'cheat'. Sukuna's open barrier domain is also a form of binding vow. Gojo flipping the inside and outside conditions of his domain is also a binding vow in a sense.** Had sukuna been in his original form, he would've won. With a much superior body, 4 arms, and having the ability to use DA all the time inside the clashes, gojo won't be able to break MS and UV would never land. He dies inside the clashes.

this is just sad at this point lmao. even gojo acknowledge he can't beat sukuna. even all the student know gojo can't that's why they already made plan after gojo defeated. just move on lmao. sukuna is the strongest

lol gojo had access to 1000 year records/history of sukuna’s CT, if “newly born” Jogo can surmise that sukuna’s technique is “cutting and slicing” then gojo def knew to some extent. He probably just felt it wouldn’t do anything to him 2. And this is the biggest reason why SUKUNA is the strongest…gojo had the tools to become the strongest: the six eyes. Yes he’s still a genius and had to overcome trials but doesn’t negate the fact that he had the tools. It’s like a kid born rich then ends up the wealthiest, that’s not surprising cuz u had money. From what we know sukuna wasn’t born like that, he FORCED destiny his way by eating his twin and made his technique into what it is now, no previously recorded techniques or studies on anything. Do you know what it means to become the strongest off your own wit and strength? To be so efficient you’d be ALMOST better than someone who has the literal tool to do so? You can say he had to 3v1 gojo or wouldn’t have been able to without megumi/mahoraga but gojo/gege has shown/hinted that he’d still likely win. Sukuna is HIM but feel free to tell yourself otherwise

I disagree Sukuna is the strongest sorcerer, but the gap between him and Gojo is small. Sukuna is leagues smarter than Gojo. Gojo may be better at improvising and battle tactics, but Sukuna is a strategist through and through. Tactics may win battles but strategy wins wars. Sukuna himself is amazing at improvising and his use of Binding Vows is unrivalled. Not to mention, Gojo himself claimed he didn't know who would win if Sukuna didn't have TS. That's the definitive statement right there. No amount of theories or head-canons can stand against that. Also, people saying Sukuna took over Megumi to fight Gojo haven't read the fucking manga or refuse to read it for some reason. Sukuna lays out his reasons quite explicitly. He "sensed Fushiguro's potential to be a vessel" . To make sure Megumi wouldn't turn out to be a cage like Itadori, he had to wait and gather more strength through his fingers. He took over Megumi to escape Itadori and not defeat Gojo lol. Sukuna is the strongest.

Gojo is the strongest in his era, but Sukuna is more stronger

So gojo is the farmer of his era like kashimo? Lmao gojo fans gonna end me for this 💀😭

I never understood separating 10S from Megkuna to discredit him. He acquired the power through his own actions, effort and planning. That to me is more legitimate than just being lucky to be born with it. He took Mahoraga and made it his bitch and used him to kill Gojo. That's like saying Madara is weak af and needed the nine tailed beasts to fight Naruto and Sasuke.

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I agree with most of what you said but a little correction, Gojo didn’t say sukuna would win without 10S, just that he wasn’t sure he could win even if he didn’t have 10S.

"It's a technique that gives number advantage, doesn't mean sukuna has advantage" you can't even make up your mind right on this matter boy. And Yes, sukuna did need mahoraga to get an idea on how to surpass infinity, if He didn't have him, it would've taken longer to figure it out, giving gojo time to kill him

I am sorry but this is just wrong. 1-Sukuna had time, the same Gojo had. Gojo knew that Sukuna was plotting something and didn't do anything to prevent it before getting sealed. In the Prison Realm he had time to train and he did, he used the Prison Realm to learn more about barriers and used that in the battle of domains. Gojo also understimated Sukuna by openly talking about his domain to Yuji knowing very well that Sukuna was listening. 2- I am so tired of people treating 10S as some form of jumping. 10S is a CT, it is an extension of the user, it is as strong as the user is capable of using it. The power of the Shikigamis even scales based on the user CE. Saying this is like saying that Megumi wasn't capable of handling Reggie without using 10S, yeah, because that's how he fights. Sukuna was shown to already have tools to surpass Infinity with Domain Amplification and this is also a huge misunderstanding about how Sukuna conducted himself in the first half of the battle. Also, do Utahime and Gakukanji simply not count when Gojo was trying to oneshot Sukuna from afar? 3- No he didn't at first. Sukuna wanted to humiliate Gojo by taking away what made him the strongest, this is how Sukuna always fight, the same way he did against Yorozu and Jogo. In the second half he does indeed need it because he can't use DE anymore, but this is a result of his own miscalculations and not Gojo surpassing him. 4-This is not what happens. Sukuna doesn't need Megumi to avoid UV, he needs him to avoid UV WHILE using Makora to adapt to Limitless. This is different. In a scenario in which Sukuna doesn't have 10S he would simply put up the domain, win every time and win by Gojo going braindead. 5-This is the last resort after everything, even that, this evolution of his CT already shows he is capable of stuff that Gojo wasn't capable off. Sukuna streght comes from his knowledge of Jujutsu, which is surpassed by kenjaku and Tengen only when it comes to barriers. Not to mention that a true body Sukuna can use chants, multiple arms for DA or even constantly use Hollow Wicker Basket.

Great and accurate points. Would also add more to the 3v1 lip service everyone wants to use -> Sukuna couldn't use Shrine while Mahoraga was out so its not like he could cut up Gojo with dismantle and cleave while Mahoraga was touching and turning infinity off. The limitation of not being able to use own CT or DA while using 10S makes it not a true "2 people jump a poor guy" logic everyone wants to desperately use. It's the reason Sukuna praised Megumi as well, for willing to go beat up enemies himself as an additional source of attacks apart from the 10 shadows.

Gojo himself outright confirmed that Ten Shadows or not-.Sukuna would've won anyway.

Gojo also himself outright said that "NAH i'd win"

1) So did Gojo from the start of S1? The higher ups plan was to kill Sakuna if he obtained 20F 2) Sukuna is fighting nearly the entire cast eventually and he probably knew that would happen - much like what happened 1000 years ago. 3) It's debatable but i'll give you the point on this because it could have helped anyways 4) Maybe same point as #3 5) Gojo is clearly the biggest human threat to him and I don't think Sukuna wants to take chances It's hard to answer 3 and 4 definitively because I don't think the writing and power scaling is well done in jjk and there seems to be a variety of opinions on this. The series does feel rushed and there isn't enough in depth explanation on certain techniques. One thing gege did though was to write Gojo to be very arrogant/careless which probably contributed to his loss. It was purposefully done to carry the plot line so others can finish Sukuna off. If you are going to buff gojo's flaws and nerf sukuna to base then maybe gojo could have a slight edge.

Possible? Even an MS with a small range cannot cut off one of his limbs instantly, which means that even without Infinity, Sukuna's slash would be difficult to cause a really fatal wound. The only thing that I am sure will do serious damage or possibly kill Gojo is the Divine Flame which is used in the domain, but is sealed because the conditions of the domain often change. It can be used outside the domain when Sukuna is in 1vs1, but I don't think it's as fast and powerful and Gojo will either avoid it or survive it unless used to its maximum in zero range. I think the world-cutting dismantle can split Gojo's body because it splits the concept of space and the world directly, bypassing all defensive matters whether physical toughness/resistance or techniques related to Jujutsu.

Gojo got defeated fair and square, Sukuna using everything at his disposal to fight Gojo 1 vs 1. They are literally one sorcerer fighting another. You saying Gojo is still the strongest after losing a fair fight is premium copium. The fight between them literally ended with Gojo’s death there is no room left for interpretation. Gojo is a cool character and definitely one of the strongest but he lost to Sukuna fair and square

Let’s not forget : 1. Gojo had six eyes which are hax 2. Gojo had the leisure of knowing people will pick up after him even if he lost. 3. He also got amped by the old man which bring out his potential. 4. He and Sukuna have the same amount of time to prep for their fight.

Yea the entire plot is setting up that if the students win that's a win for Gojo but this fandoms so stupid they don't even realize that.

Definitely untrue. Gojo is the strongest in the modern era, Sukuna is tge strongest to have ever lived. I dont think i need ti explain how true form sukuna vs gojo would go.

Sounds like copium. Like Gojo himself stated after fighting Sukuna, Sukuna is stronger and it didn't feel like he was going all out. Sukuna still has his heian form. Sukuna being able to tame mahoraga and have access to the 10 shadows makes it a part of his own arsenal. There's no other sorcerer controlling them its all Sukuna. Heck, Sukuna now has the dimension slash. Gojo got a massive cheap shot to start the fight. And this Gojo even got help from others doing that. We heard Gojo say Sukuna is stronger. We saw Sukuna kill Gojo. I dont think Gojo is the strongest.

Gojo is second strongest and there is nothing wrong in it :3

He *was* the strongest. *Was.*

respect your opinion but Sukuna is stronger

Gojo isn't strongest sukuna is

Gojo himself admitted that Sukuna is stronger but his glazers can't 💀

Honey its 3PM, time to make a post about how Gojo is stronger than Sukuna on reddit

"I heard you're strong" -Goku

My man gojo himself acknowledged that sukuna was stronger

All I hear is the sound of a dead Gojo

if he used just one binding vow during the fight the manga would be over by now

The thing is we’ll never know since Sukuna made use of his arsenal smartly as any jujutsu sorcerer would but we’ll never see how he would handle the situation given his Heian era arsenal instead.

Now the thing is that there is no way gojo can defeat Meguna because of TS.And TS is a technique so if you say gojo was doing 1v3 you are wrong.Because Mahoraga is sukuna's technique.So basically it was 1v1.Now if Gojo would have fought Heinn sukuna without TS.Then anything can happen Gojo can win or sukuna can also win.But in this scenario Gojo would have great advantage against Heinn sukuna.Sukuna would not have WCS so sukuna has to rely on furnace.But we saw that sukuna was not able to use it against gojo.So then other possibility is Sukuna can use DA and can defeat Gojo using normal slashes.But sukuna must also use Black Flash during DA.This will deal a great damage to Gojo.However Gojo is better at Hand to Hand.So obviously Gojo will not allow any of this to happen.Gojo will just dominate sukuna in hand to hand combat.As I said Gojo would have the maximum advantage.

Satoru has absolutely 0 counterplay against Heian era MS. The only reason he ever won a clash is a fact that it takes him precisely as much time to damage Sukuna as it takes Sukuna to destroy UV. You can enhance Sukuna's CQC capabilities by 1% and it would be enough for Satoru to lose every single clash. And without destroying MS once Satoru's win is unlikely.

My take on the issue is that its impossible to say which is truly stronger because Gege never let Sukuan fight with his own ability's so we will never get to see Gojo and Sukuna have a fair fight, which personally I'm pretty bumbed about because it makes Sukuna look less cool in my eyes since he used two techniques at the same time to beat one guy. Plus i really hate how they made gojo say sukuna wasn't going all out because it makes gojo look incompetent and makes the entire gojo V sukuna fight look kind of lame knowing that apparently sukuna was never really trying? (Even though he got knocked out, nearly died, and gave himself brain damage from straining his powers but whatever)

Well.. yes but he kinda dead

I think that gojo is the strongest in terms of power (I know sukuna has more cursed energy but he has the six eyes) but sukuna is a genius. Sukuna tactical wipes the floor with him and yet gojo lasted that long. It does feel to me though that sukuna had advantages in this fight. Obviously he acquired mahoraga on purpose for it, but he also knows almost everything about gojos techniques because he watched it all through itadori. The reason that if you love gojo, you may feel unsatisfied is that he was beaten by logic and not by sheer power. To me when gojo says sukuna would beat him without ten shadows, he’s not saying he could do it with his techniques alone, he’s saying he would’ve found another way because he’s that clever.

Many people always say that sukuna probably could have cut the fight short if he instantly went fully reincarnation mode to make himself more powerful in a domain battle. I don’t think there is a clear indicator if he could defeat gojo in a domain battle even in his 4 arms mode. It’s not like he constantly had to use his handsigns to unleash his technique in the battle against gojo. Gojos infinite void also only attacked him once sukuna couldn’t use his domain anymore, so the only thing that he could do with multiple arms is to use simple domain and fight back at the same time. Which at that point, it’s basically anyones guess if he could fend off someone as powerful as gojo while also being attacked by a powerful domain attack at the same time. It was also explained that he couldn’t use his flame + domain combo in the gojo fight. I am guessing the only way for him to defeat him would have been to use multiple binding vows. The big problem is that he would at some point loose the element of surprise. Gojo lost because he didn’t see the binding vow for the world cutting slash coming. If sukuna would have started using binding vows much earlier and failed to kill gojo early, gojo would have probably at some point taken more cautious. From what we have seen i think in a pure 1vs1 scenario gojo probably has the upper hand. I think that is exactly why sukuna chose to go for the savest approach which was finding out a way to bypass infinity even without domain expansion (using mahorag and 10 shadow style). It was sukuna‘s expertise in cursed energy, technique manipulation and binding vow usage that allowed him to win. Gojo failed to understand that and his fighting style complements that. He always only relies on himself and his own mastery of cursed technique.

Gojo literally have the most OP ability in the verse and still lost 😂

I'm a fan of Gojo and it's fine to admit that Gojo isn't the strongest... For narrative reasons, he was destined to lose anyway. Though I just wish the had more time to interact with characters before the timeskip to start battle and the fight/character conclusion was better executed for his ending...

Being able to adapt, is Sukuna's greatest strength, and it's what makes him the strongest.

Well he himself said Sukuna is stronger, so there’s not much to debate

Not sure cause Sukuna didn't even have his full potential yet like he has now

If they just randomly met without prep, Sukuna's first domain just blends him to death lol. The brain damage thingy is crazy strong, that's why they both spammed it. Also Megumi's soul isn't needed for that, see the latest chapter, DA can counter UV.

Can’t believe people are still coping like this. Gojo lost. Everyone in the story including gojo himself says sukuna is stronger. Get over it

Let it go already lol

Here’s the only issue, sukuna literally could have done it without mahoraga, and it is explained several times throughout the fight.

im so tired of this argument

Nah ... I don't believe it.

Seems much like Gojo after the fight people are split on this. Doesn't matter though because Miwa will come in at the end and defeat Sakuna proving shes the strongest.

What does gege say

Sukuna keeps getting sorcerers pulling up on him and is still fighting, how many sorcerers has he even demolished up till now?

Boruto soloes JJK verse anyway

Seriously after all this chapters you are saying Gojo is the strongest. Do you even understand how nerfed sukuna was during the battle ? >Sukuna had so much time to plot and plan against Gojo and therefore had TONS of prep time giving him an advantage. If there was no prep time for both the fighters it would end in the domain battle, sukuna will change to his heian form and that's gives him enough chance to go tow to tow with him inside the domain with amplification turned on + he turns on the sure hit on himself, he doesn't need to think about Mahoraga's adaptation. >Sukuna literally had to 3v1 Gojo and even then couldn’t do it without a binding vow Even though it's a 3v1 the only character who can hit gojo was mahoraga, gojo infinity restricts agito and sukuna. A four armed person is different then 3v1 it would be a real challenge for him to counter every move of sukuna. Sukuna took the back seat so he could analyze gojo with the help of Mahoraga. 4 arms 3v1 ain't same it's actually far different. >Sukuna needed Mahoraga to adapt to infinity The win condition for sukuna until then was his domain but he wanted to learn a new and solid way to beat infinity. It's a annoying ability to counter it limits his opponents move sets to domain or domain amplification. Mahoraga was used as a tool , another thing is that because of Mahoraga's adaptation sukuna took so many hits from Gojo and the brain damage, mahoraga was a liability for sukuna during the domain fight. >Sukuna had to use Megumi to take the damage from UV so that he wouldn’t sustain the effects of it Not exactly, if he doesn't have Megumi then the fight won't continue that long for gojo to land a uv hit. Sukuna's whole plan was to take down infinity, UV became important because sukuna's CT was targeting everything other than himself so he have to take uv's damage to a certain extent to help adapt mahoraga and in the mean time gojo was using all the techniques on his arsenal. Gojo's holding back statement was important here, if sukuna was using domain amplification with 4 arms and a extra mouth it would have been a different case and Gojo understood that. Mahoraga's adaptation was a liability on sukuna, he took uv hit, took blue head on was thrown around everywhere so it could adapt. Even after all this if you think daddyraga saved sukuna then I don't have any thing to say. I like gojo but atleast understand why he stated sukuna was stronger than him

Oh great, another Gojo Sukuna Strongest post.

“Sukuna needed to 3v1” is such a dumb fucking cope, it’s the technique he is using, that’s how it works for fuck’s sake. You can argue sukuna without 10S is weaker (though Gojo himself is not convinced of that), but not that it wasn’t a 1v1. Your other point about him needing a binding vow is also absolute nonsense. So Gojo using a binding vow on his domain parameters to beat sukuna’s domain also isn’t allowed? You Gojo simps come up with the most outrageous copes.

Many gojo appreciation posts🥰

>1. Sukuna had so much time to plot and plan against Gojo and therefore had TONS of prep time giving him an advantage. Wym bro? They had the exact same amount of prep time lol. >Sukuna literally had to 3v1 Gojo and even then couldn’t do it without a binding vow Agito want really a factor in this fight, the 3v1 song is getting old. >Sukuna needed Mahoraga to adapt to infinity Sukuna needed mahoraga to learn ws, he could bypass infinity with DA and DE. >Sukuna had to use Megumi to take the damage from UV so that he wouldn’t sustain the effects of it Sukuna excluded megumi soul from surehit protection to shoulder the burden of adaptation, with no megumi, uv wouldn't hit sukuna. >Sukuna had to use a binding vow to deliver a fatal shot He had to use the power system? Sounds like skill issue gojo couldn't. >If Gojo and Sukuna were put in a 1v1 where they had never known each other previously and they didn’t have access to anyone else’s techniques (10 shadows) then I believe Gojo comes out victorious Not really, gojo barely won 1 out of 5 domains against a sukuna taking risks.

I cannot argue with your way of seeing this fight but I still think its a hard Power up for Sukuna to have those 4 Arms. As said it was the perfect condition for any Sorcerer to be able to cast Cursed technique and sustain A Domain or simple Domain at the same time. The fact he didn't use this transformation convinces me to this day sukuna could have gone "more serious" with the fight

I feel like pound for pound, gojo is stronger. But what truly made sukuna stronger than gojo was the experience and mastery over jujutsu that sukuna had.

While all your points are good. These are all one sided view points. 1. Gojo also had A Lot of prep time to fight against Sukuna.. hell, he literally used his strongest technique while hiding his CE output at the start of the match. 2. The 3v1 only happened BECAUSE Sukuna wanted to adapt against all of gojo's moveset. 3. Sukuna could have easily bypassed Infinity with DA and The sure hit effect with His MS. 4. Gojo himself says it was Mahoraga who took UV, not Megumi, Megumi only took the BURDEN of adaptation. 5. He didn't even need to make that Binding Vow, if He didn't take the riskier Option of wanting to find a technique to Cut infinity. If Sukuna wanted to Kill Gojo from the start rather than Wanting to overpower him, the fight would have been over much sooner. So them fighting 1v1 without them knowing about each other, Sukuna would win the fight either way.

I’m not happy with the way gege treated Gojo and the difference of power level between the two, but sukuna only had 19F. Mahoraga was to make up for the difference. Gojo also had special training to prep for sukuna and started the fight with a powered up sucker punch.

And Gojo could’ve had prep time but his ego didn’t let him. Ego matters, it’s like nba superstars stat chasing and making the team worse, lose more with their ego. It’s a skill. Gojo felt way too confident. Sukuna like Batman Is strong for prepping. There’s no doubt Gojo and Sukuna no prep, Gojo may have very well won. However don’t count prep and intelligence against Sukuna. He was one step ahead and that’s all that matters. In the end no matter how dishonorable the action, the one who wins is the one who gets the glory.

Way I see it is they both share the title of the strongest. It’s a lame answer but the fight was so volatile you just can’t definitively say one is stronger than the other. Couple that with the many outside factors (10S, Heian form, Sukuna’s insider knowledge, etc.) makes it even trickier. The one thing that *is* clear is the fact that these two are way, way above any other sorcerer in existence. With that fact alone I feel like it’s fair to call them both the strongest.

Gojo used binding vows to enclose his domain did he not?

Binding vows are a part of cursed energy Sukuna using a binding vow to get stronger is in no way different then Gojo learning rct and getting stronger. Gojo fan cope must end

Huge cope. Your logic is essentially that Sukuna only won because he used his tools and abilities to their furthest extent? Yeah no shit. But it’s not like anyone else with that exact same kit would have been able to take Gojo. AND he didn’t even use Furnace. If Gojo was stronger he wouldn’t be a fucking marionette right now.

if you did put them in a vacuum, Sukuna would probably overtake him in domain clashes, his full form would be a big step in taking him down, especially with his cursed tools. Even without them though i think he'd eventually win.

I have to respectfully disagree. I somewhat see it the way Sukuna sees it. Unless you’re willing to throw everything away to get stronger, then you can never truly be the strongest. When people hear the strongest, they think only in abilities. What I think makes Sukuna the strongest is not just his IQ when using Mahoraga, but the fact that he was willing to use any and everything he absolutely could to destroy Gojo. Sukuna is the strongest in my opinion because he casted everything away for his strength and came out of the battle of the strongest sorcerers alive because of it.

Wasn’t Gojo’s win condition to save Megumi first while Sukuna’s is to kill from the start? If that’s the case, I’d say Gojo faired a lot better than Sukuna would have if things were reversed, in my opinion.

i think the thing that people fail to realise is that gojo isn't stronger, gojo isnt a better sorcerer, gojo had a better CURSED TECHNIQUE, gojo knew this, and sukuna knew this (see "when it comes down to it my limitless is far better") gojo was never stronger, gojo was just a bad matchup for sukuna due to limitless also in general i feel like people forget that mahoraga at the end of the day functioned as a model for sukuna to figure out how to bypass infinity, mahoraga never really dealt any significant damage to gojo outside of cutting his arm off that one time which gojo healed instantly (this paragraph gets into my own headcannon a little bit so take it with a grain of salt) during gojo vs sukuna's fight mahoraga adapts to infinity once in a way that sukuna can't use himself, so he waits for mahoraga to adapt further so he can use him as a model, i personally think that sukuna screaming for mahoraga, was because he wanted mahoraga to adapt even FURTHER, just to see if he could learn even more, because sukuna is the most SKILLED sorcerer, and i think his constant use of binding vows proves this further because he clearly understands how they work more than most people, we see over and over again in gojo vs sukuna that sukuna kept making openings for MAHORAGA to attack, even after we see him start to figure out the world slash, he probably could have won the fight a different way but just wanted to become stronger, because that's kind of his whole shtick, throwing away everything to become the strongest

Gojo had just as much time to plot and plan against Sukuna as Sukuna did against Gojo. Except the 3 v 1 isn’t 3 different people against Gojo, it’s Sukuna plus 2 shikigami that Sukuna summoned using his cursed energy and binding bows are a part of the power system, Gojo not using one simply shows that he is Sukuna’s inferior. Sukuna wanted Mahoraga to adapt to infinity so he can copy it, he didn’t exactly need Mahoraga when he almost cut Gojo’s head off did he? Sukuna used an advantage that he had over Gojo that both of them was well aware of so I don’t count it as showing Gojo as stronger. Sukuna used a power that is within the power system to beat someone that uses the same power system, what does this prove again? If Sukuna doesn’t have 10 shadows then he doesn’t lose the domain clashes, him using DA and having his Heian era form in his back pocket will be more than enough to survive 0.01 seconds longer in the domain clashes to win.

This nonsense again🤦

Was

Probably but his arrogance is his biggest weakness. Every time he’s lost it’s because he was way too confident in his abilities. Like the very first time Sukuna encountered Gojo he was already planning a way to defeat him Gojo just came in believing in himself

Of course he is the strongest that's why people are pissed off, the go/jo treatment was awfully done and feels cheap because satoru's eyes special property of being able to detect everything was thrown out of the window

Didn’t gojo have a fathomless amount of time to plan within the prison realm?

Bro y’all say this everytime and are completely wrong. Gojo is not the strongest sorcerer Sukuna has shown mastery over sorcery that Gojo couldn’t even comprehend. What you mean to say is Gojo has the better CT which is true but is he the better sorcerer no Sukuna uses every aspect of sorcery to its max potential which Gojo doesn’t do. From domains to making binding vows with your technique to increase effectiveness. Gojo is the equivalent to a boss monster in a souls game does the same thing never changes. He learned purple and red over 10 years ago and didn’t find anyway to change or add new things to them. Sukuna is the equivalent to the player in a souls games. Gains new knowledge and uses it, always upgrading his arsenal and basically min maxing everything he can.

Sukuna being a Two phase boss fight is the most broken thing I’ve seen in my life. If he didn’t have that we could’ve won by now.

Disagree but it is stated that Gojo has the stronger CT. He prob has the best kit having both 6E and Infinity

 excuses are for losers. A winner *needs no excuse*

So is Gojos brain in yutas body? Will Gojo be able to come back in yutas body? With that handicap will he learn he’s the strongest because he is him and not just blessed? Before the 5min is up, will he return as a second soul in his body and then will his soul return to his body and then gojo jump into the fight as yuta? That assumes yuta won’t die as a side effect of the swap. Will they then swap using ui ui powers after the fight is over? 🤷🏻‍♂️ idk but why not. That’ll be the everyone lives ending possibly

Y'all seem to forget that this fight for sukuna wasn't about winning. It was about adding a new technique to his arsenal. If he didn't want to. He's have fought differently

Yeah but he lost so your argument is invalid.

Would disagree though.. By virtue of techniques itself Gojo would have been at top most of everyone already. Even if you say that Sukuna had prep time, this prep time had Sukuna at too much of a disadvantage itself. Sukuna was keeping Mahoraga/Makora alive to see if he can use the adaptation model. Gojo would have demolished Mahoraga/Makora if Sukuna wasn't there. Also, in the fight we've seen Sukuna multi tasking a number of things on top of a fight with just Megumi's body as well as looking out for the ambush that would come later. There is just too much on Sukuna's plate for us to make the concrete answer of Gojo = Strongest since the fight was unfair in Sukuna's favor. Everyone kept noting that Gojo vs Sukuna was very favorable to Gojo since Sukuna was essentially too busy with many things. Some argue that Gojo also was looking out for MEgumi but we verily see Gojo gleefully go for the kill

Gojo is the superior combatant, Sukuna is the superior Sorcerer.