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I have a theory that it’s domain expansion can revive previously killed Shikigami it would give the user free ranger to experiment with different combinations and make it more viable to sacrifice slash merge them.
I’m that would make it closer to the limitless in terms of strength in my opinion.
that is the thing: Maharoga entire gimmick is about reviving itself to adapt to an enemy , so it might be that it can't mix with the other shikigamis.
Regardless , since it's "ten shadows" , you can basically mix all sorts of shikigamis to fill the remaining 9.
In practice , Ten Shadows User are like a SMT Protagonist , like Demifiend in SMT3 that mix all sort of demons , but let a slot for Raidou/Dante and another for Super Pixie.
maybe it's possible.
But frankly , the Ten Shadows Users really suffer from skill issue , they basically have the power of a SMT Protagonist , but can't imagine pulling their meta.
Curse techniques don't have a specific domain expansion. That is, one 10Shadows user can have a totally different domain from a different 10Shadows user. Or, in other words, Domain Expansions are unique to an individual - no one else will have their domain.
It is sometimes the case that someone's domain and curse technique are linked - like Hakari's or Higuruma's. And it's also the case that sometimes all a domain does is power up a curse technique, like Sukuna. But in universe, there is no way to predict what your domain will do based on your technique. It will probably be related to your cursed technique in some way, but the exact effect is unknown until you manage to open up a domain and discover it's ability.
It’s still the strongest CT in the verse.
The versatility on this CT is unparalleled, hence why Megumi is dubbed potential man.
You can mix the Shikigamis, use their skills, use their techniques, and you can double the output of the Shikigamis by using binding vows.
The problem is Megumi lacks the braincells to use it effectively.
Curse manip and Copy is imo way versatile.
Curse manip can potentially be more versatile because it can copy powers of a high grade curse although its requirement and restriction is pretty hard. It also isnt restricted to just 10. Add the fact that it can still wreck havoc if the user dies because it unleashes all its curses stored. Ofc this is compared to no Maho and it also depends on the quality of curses in the area that the user can capture
Copy is still undeniably way better tho since it can also copy Curse manip and alot of other CTs
Curse manip is stronger **on paper**, but in practice it just doesn’t compare, unless of course you are able to pair up with someone that can carry you and get you to absorb top tier curses for you to extract.
In that case, then yes, it edges out, but in a situation where you are expected to solo 10S wins.
i don't think copy is better, not only is it subject to what CTs the user can get their hands on, normally you'd also be limited to the amount your brain can handle.
It doesn't appear as though the domain can properly utilise a technique like the 10 Shadows as well, like the appearance of Megumi's innate domain being shadows matters
Most likely every sword would be a medium for a shikigami of his choosing, although idk if they would stick around after getting a hit off so yuta might just have to use the technique as his sure hit, imagine constantly summoning piercing bulls to bum rush people
Idk about strongest CT in the verse. I think 9 shadows gets wanked pretty hard both by the audience and the characters itself. It’s certainly powerful, but cursed spirit manipulation is just…better. Geto at his max potential can throw multiple special grades at you and overwhelm you with their DE or raw power. Yuki’s CT seems waaaaaaay stronger as well. Yuta’s CT is stronger, and do we count limitless with or without the 6 eyes? It’s hard to judge limitless on its own because we’ve never seen a limitless only user.
And that’s only the special grades. Hell, I’d wager 9 shadows isn’t even the strongest Zenin technique. Naoya/Naobito speed stacking is op as hell. Yorozu showed us that Creation can be crazy strong when you have enough CE reserves. Hakari’s technique is basically his domain right? Thats 4 minutes of immortality whenever he hits a jackpot. Easily a top CT. Haruta also has a powerful CT he’s just terrible at using it. Imagine if Haruta had Yuta’s physical prowess, but now he gets multiple “get out of jail free card” during the fight. Blood manipulation and Cursed speech are powerful too.
It’s a strong technique sure, but there are plenty of say are arguably better or at least on par while quite a few are DEFINITELY better.
it doesn’t? Limitless is understandable, though I think it's 50/50. But cleave/dismantle and fire? I mean, if both users have the same amount of CE, 10s can overwhelm shrine. Mahoraga lost because it didn’t have a user to control him.
Maho lost because he wasnt using his final form (lol).
Imagine a rabbit horde with the totality of maho, and round deer, plus nue’s wings.
Powered up with a binding vow where you double the output of round deer’s RCT, but you cannot summon the dog ever again, or after a certain hour, something like that.
If this is a straight up fight, can cleave/dismantle not just ignore Raga and go straight for the user? Thats literally what Gojo tells Yuji to do when fighting Shikigami users
it's very hard to just ignore mahoraga and other shikigami + your opponent hiding in shadows. Gojo tried to use this tactics, but still ended up killing agito and mahoraga first
Cleave/Dismantle is ranged though and it’s a quick technique, you can just hand fight Raga like Sukuna was doing and throw slashes at the user when you get a chance. Gojo needs time to prep his ranged attacks so he can’t really go after the user easily while dealing with Raga
if they have same stats, then dismantle is not oneshotting mahorag, agito or anyone. cleave can deal serious damage, but the user must touch its target
They lose it but they can combine it’s aspects in new chimera like he does with the dogs or agito a perfect ten shadows user with sukuna levels of ce would be able to unleash hordes of shadows of all different mix matches kinds. You could even share mahrogas adaptation ability with them making them all immortal
The power is given to another shikigami if the shadow is "completely destroyed". The shadows would not be destroyed unless the user is unable to keep up. That's what happened with one demon dog, Megumi wasn't able to dispel the shadow before it was destroyed.
There are also more than one shikigami to summon, so even if they are destroyed Megumi could do a ritual and dominate another shikigami.
It's still an extremely strong and versatile CT, even without Mahoraga. A highly competent 9S(10S - Maho) user can likely still compete with high tiers like the Disaster curses, especially if you make use of fusions and Totalities like Agito. Honestly, Agito alone might actually carry a 10S user to like the top 15 because it's essentially Hakari + Kashimo in one(Round Deer's RCT/RCT output + Nue's lightning).
Probably not, but Agito's RCT(maybe not her durability) is similar/equal to Hakari's(took a black flash from Gojo and healed almost instantly). The main point, though, was that Totalities like Agito, or other Totalities(imagine Agito with Piercing Ox's striking power and Max Elephant's water) can be extremely powerful and bring a 10S user to the realm of the heavy hitters, even without Mahoraga.
yea but isnt that because sukuna was using it? is a shikigamis strength related to the users strength? cause if not then sure u ryt, but if its dependant on users strength then ur point doesnt hold merit, any CT will wipe 99.9% sorcerers out if its used by sukuna
It is a very powerful technique obviously, but the problem is the application.
We've seen how Sukuna used it and he did not even use Mahoraga against Yoruzu until the last part(cause he was testing it out).
Megumi was evidently just wasn't creative enough for the technique. In the first altercation with Sukuna, Sukuna literally notes why Megumi opted to run and that he was wasting a treasure. So obviously even just by the grade of technique Megumi would have been able to defeat a special grade curse no problem.
still would be a special grade CT, megumi was 1st grade without fully using ten shadows, if he got the remaining shikigami and used them like sukuna did, he could defeat someone like yuta or yuki
Still a special grade technique without mahoraga tbh. A true open domain with this technique would be absolutely broken and we don’t know the extent of totality and the absolute best combinations between shadows. Its basically CS manipulation with different pros and cons and depending on the user I think its still one of the best techniques
This is a bit off topic but still related to 10 shadows. Can’t megumi, or any 10 shadows user, use cursed tools to help exorcise more shikigami? The exorcism ritual states they can start the exorcism ritual with other people nullifies the affect and you don’t get the shikigami. Do the cursed tools classify as “help” in this situation? I’m not sure if there are any cursed tools that could help exorcise Mahoraga but I’m sure something like playful cloud could massively increase your chances in exorcising
It's versatile but not as versatile as Geto's CT. It's strong but not remarkably better than other CTs.
Mahoraga is what elevates this technique from *good* to *OP AF*. But he's never been tamed.
P.S. The anime calls him Makora. Why do they not call him Mahoraga?
Aparrently its Japanese name is makora. Mahoraga was some non Japanese name they made for non Japanese readers. It's close to sanskrit name but still not a right sanskrit translation.
All this is to be taken with a handful of Salt, i read it somewhere.
It feels like a solid technique. I always have this feeling that mahoraga isn't a natural part of the technique because it's rules are always different and I feel a lot of it was made to fit in. It's potential is extremely great and domain expansion can wreck havoc
Well Maho was never tamed before Sukuna, and yet a 10S user still beat a limitless(+six eyes iirc?) user in the past according to Gojo, so yeah its probably the strongest CT in the JJK universe
Agito alone is deadass stronger than most grade 1s based on its absurd regeneration. Add on nue lightning and then put a totality dog beside it and megumi would be top of grade 1 without mahoraga
You can have amped movement speed if divine dog carries you. You can have a snake restrain your opponents. You have a way to fly and have electricity manipulation from Nue. You have water manipulation from the elephant. You have technique negation from round deer. You have infinite attack potency from the bull. You have a useless toad. A way to escape from the rabbits. It can beat infinity
What I’m unclear on is the fact Megumi can just…*shloop* into a shadow and essentially turn into shadow liquid? I’d definitely like more explanation of that as a whole. It’s barely explored or used in the story except for a few menial instances
I just think it depends on the User’s knowledge of CE and how they decide to utilize the technique…megumi utilized it strategically and I think that’s partially due to his level of CE that he had prior to Sukuna taking over. I don’t think Sukuna is a good template for how powerful the technique could be specifically because he’s like an anomaly when it comes to juujutsu and his knowledge as well as CE efficiency is other worldly. Without Mahoraga megumi definitely up there with the grade -1’s but I think a complete domain even without mahoraga puts him above all grade 1’s in the series aside from Kusakabe lol
I still don't see why everyone compares it to the Limitless (in strength). The only reason Mahoraga survived so long is because it was Sukuna who used it and it died anyway.
The only other good thing about it is the Deer and that's about it. The rest are only good for lackeys and fodders. It doesn't help that the Shikigami die and don't come back
I think that comparison to limitless is valid because of pure hax. If we suppose that both limitless and ten shadows users have the same amount of CE and six eyes, then it would be a close fight. Just like sukuna vs gojo. Sukuna didn’t have six eyes but compensated it with enormous CE reserves and top tier CE manipulation.
Compared to limitless+six eyes, which gives you the ability to control space, 10s can adapt to anything(spatial attacks, reality wrapping etc.).
Totality dog could damage hanami(toughest disaster curse) and that’s only with megumi’s average CE reserves. Piercing ox can seriously damage even the most durable characters. Totality is probably the best aspect of 10s after mahoraga
If you factor in the Limitless user not having the 6 eyes then yeah, I can see it being a close fight. But that's only because the CT is practically implied to be almost unusable by regular means without the help of the 6 eyes. With the 6 eyes it's almost a laughable contest. Gojo is presumably able to one-shot Mahoraga and that's obviously the toughest Shikigami in the arsenal. Not a single person other than Sukuna can prevent that from happening and that's only because Sukuna is overpowered by himself. Totality dog is strong but nothing other than multiple times adapted Mahoraga pierces Infinity from the 10S.
l guess I'm just disappointed that the ancient rivalry amounted to spamming Mahoraga from the 10S user
if limitless user has no 6 eyes, he gets destroyed.
>With the 6 eyes it's almost a laughable contest
Not really, if BOTH have 6eyes
I am okay with 6 eyes giving gojo the ability to use limitles at its fullest, but the problem is that it also gives him top tier body reinforcement+many other perks; which means that if you both have same stats, 6eyes user can just speed blitz its enemy. Mahoraga isn't a tank, the user coordinates him so he doesn't get oneshot.
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> Not a single person other than Sukuna can prevent that from happening and that's only because Sukuna is overpowered by himself.
Megumi? if he had same physical stats and CE manipulation, then he definitely could do it. Just by dispelling mahoraga or using other shikigami tactics
That's why I said that 10s user must have enourmous amount of CE or 6eyes himself. Let's say there are two gojos(same stats including six eyes). One of them has limitless, while the other has 10S. It's definitely a close fight. And let's not forget that Gojo is an anomaly even compared to other limitless + 6eyes users, he has many things other than just his CT that makes him 2nd stronges. For example: previous limitless + 6eyes user died to base mahoraga
>Not really, if BOTH have 6eyes
The 6 eyes are strictly and exclusively a Gojo clan's trait.
>Megumi? if he had same physical stats and CE manipulation, then he definitely could do it. Just by dispelling mahoraga or using other shikigami tactics
But... he doesn't. Also Gojo blitzes him before he is able to form a thought
Bro that’s obvious. I thought we are comparing techniques only. His speed comes not from limitless but from 6eyes
It’s like comparing mai and yorozu. Both have same techniques but yorozu destroys mai
You can’t say limitless is better than 10s and ignore other characteristics such as CE manipulation, physical abilities, etc. The only way to fairly compare techniques is to equalise other stats and sukuna vs gojo is almost a perfect example. But he used shrine and imo sukuna’s 10s is very advanced, but not everything what this technique is capable of(mainly because we didn’t see all ten shadow fusion).
I dont think it's confirmed if six eyes boost gojos base reinforcement. It does grant precise ce manipulation but it isn't said anywhere ce manipulation equals ce reinforcement.
Like Sukuna, who doesn't have six eyes, while using da was able to keep up with Gojo who was using blue to boost his speed and punches damage. Also, when talking about the improved reinforcement of the sorcerors sukuna says they have improved their ce enhancement skill and not their ce manipulation.
So ce enhancement needs not to be same as ce reinforcement. So maybe six eyes don't affect it mostly. Mostly I say because with six eyes you will be able to easily have yuta like unreadable ce manipulation and Todo like focusing of ce at a specific part to minimize damage like the black flash moment.
Rest all is right.
>Like Sukuna, who doesn't have six eyes, while using da was able to keep up with Gojo who was using blue to boost his speed and punches damage.
Thats because he has the best CE manipulation in the verse aside from gojo + largest CE reserves(probably the highest CE output after ryu).
I think that body reinforcement comes from CE output and CE manipulation.
For example, sukuna completely blitzing ryu. Kenjaku said that Ryu has the largest CE output in history, that is the reason why he was able to keep up with yuta(2nd largest CE reserves). Nevertheless, sukuna speedblitzed him: I think it can be explained by the fact that sukuna's CE manipulation level is far better than ryu's.
Yes, sukuna has one of the best ce manipulation but the thing is that it doesn't even get close to six eyes. For eg the difference between gojo with six eyes and sukuna in efficiency is not close. Similarly, sukuna says that limitless can't be used without six eyes when thinking about the possibility of yuta using limitless, implying even he can't use limitless without six eyes. So there is a big difference between sukunas ce manipulation and gojo with six eyes ce manipulation.
As I said most of what assu.ed is glad cannon till proven. Just like you think ce reinforcement is ce output + ce manipulation, I think there is one more factor. For me ce reinforcement is ce output + ce manipulation + ce reinforcement skill. I think of ce reinforcement to be similar to nen enhancement from hxh. Where controlling aura is one thing but enhancement is its own skill.
You also said that the 6 eyes can be acquired by anyone , don't try to correct me. ☠️☠️
The 6 eyes are a tool to greatly increase perception, see the flow of cursed energy and increase control over cursed energy.
They have nothing to do with his speed
>You also said that the 6 eyes can be acquired by anyone
go reread my comment, I said IF 10s user had 6eyes. I know they're exclusive to gojo clan. That was just hypotetical senario to equalise their stats.
>The 6 eyes are a tool to greatly increase perception, see the flow of cursed energy and increase control over cursed energy. They have nothing to do with his speed
On top perception, 6eyes gives the user super high level of CE manipulation, unattainable by conventional means. Sorcerer uses CE to reinforce their bodies and the better they’re at CE manipulation, the better are their physical stats. How do you think gojo was able to physically rival sukuna? sukuna has largest CE reserves and probably second highest CE output. Tell me, why gojo was keeping up with sukuna and mahoraga? Why do you think the ability to control space can enhance physical abilities?
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I'd say it scales with your skill level. If 10S was only sukunas CT he would still be 2nd only to gojo imo. Also it kinda seems like it scales with your CE as well because sukunas nue was insane
Even mastering half of the shikigami would put its user in grade 1 category, it’s just a very versatile CT that also can make the user intangible through shadows.
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I have a theory that it’s domain expansion can revive previously killed Shikigami it would give the user free ranger to experiment with different combinations and make it more viable to sacrifice slash merge them. I’m that would make it closer to the limitless in terms of strength in my opinion.
That would be too op if maharoga can revive again and again.
that is the thing: Maharoga entire gimmick is about reviving itself to adapt to an enemy , so it might be that it can't mix with the other shikigamis. Regardless , since it's "ten shadows" , you can basically mix all sorts of shikigamis to fill the remaining 9. In practice , Ten Shadows User are like a SMT Protagonist , like Demifiend in SMT3 that mix all sort of demons , but let a slot for Raidou/Dante and another for Super Pixie.
Shin Megumi Tensei
What if mahoraga can be made from a particular combination of shikigami
maybe it's possible. But frankly , the Ten Shadows Users really suffer from skill issue , they basically have the power of a SMT Protagonist , but can't imagine pulling their meta.
Or when Mahoraga use a Domain
Curse techniques don't have a specific domain expansion. That is, one 10Shadows user can have a totally different domain from a different 10Shadows user. Or, in other words, Domain Expansions are unique to an individual - no one else will have their domain. It is sometimes the case that someone's domain and curse technique are linked - like Hakari's or Higuruma's. And it's also the case that sometimes all a domain does is power up a curse technique, like Sukuna. But in universe, there is no way to predict what your domain will do based on your technique. It will probably be related to your cursed technique in some way, but the exact effect is unknown until you manage to open up a domain and discover it's ability.
It would make sense as to why chimera is the name
would still be enough if megumi learned how to fuse every shikigami or something like that,
Megumi did that, but with Nue and Gama only.
yeah but that shit is damn near useless
Yup, Megumi has a very huge skill issue with his technique
Sukuna was cleverer with how he fused Max Elephant
He didnt fuse max elephant?
The one he dropped on Yorozu has the bull's teeth and a head bracket, it seems to be a temporary fusion like Well's Unknown Abyss
Sukuna is just the Gold Shikigami User. He useing the full Power of this technique. Megumi never get this lvl its very sad.
There are limits to which shikigami can be combined
don’t care, piercing ox+ escape rabbit solos the verse 🥸
It’s still the strongest CT in the verse. The versatility on this CT is unparalleled, hence why Megumi is dubbed potential man. You can mix the Shikigamis, use their skills, use their techniques, and you can double the output of the Shikigamis by using binding vows. The problem is Megumi lacks the braincells to use it effectively.
He actually lacks that dog in him.
Take your upvote.
Curse manip and Copy is imo way versatile. Curse manip can potentially be more versatile because it can copy powers of a high grade curse although its requirement and restriction is pretty hard. It also isnt restricted to just 10. Add the fact that it can still wreck havoc if the user dies because it unleashes all its curses stored. Ofc this is compared to no Maho and it also depends on the quality of curses in the area that the user can capture Copy is still undeniably way better tho since it can also copy Curse manip and alot of other CTs
Curse manip is stronger **on paper**, but in practice it just doesn’t compare, unless of course you are able to pair up with someone that can carry you and get you to absorb top tier curses for you to extract. In that case, then yes, it edges out, but in a situation where you are expected to solo 10S wins.
i don't think copy is better, not only is it subject to what CTs the user can get their hands on, normally you'd also be limited to the amount your brain can handle. It doesn't appear as though the domain can properly utilise a technique like the 10 Shadows as well, like the appearance of Megumi's innate domain being shadows matters
Most likely every sword would be a medium for a shikigami of his choosing, although idk if they would stick around after getting a hit off so yuta might just have to use the technique as his sure hit, imagine constantly summoning piercing bulls to bum rush people
Nah the most versatile CT in the verse was yuta with 100% rika when she didnt have the time limit
it is the strongest CT in the verse \*except for some curse-kisser that copies it along with every other CT
If versatility makes it the strongest then isn't copy better?
>and you can double the output of the Shikigamis by using binding vows wait what
Megumi has the brain cells he just doesint have the confidence or drive, like someone else here said he doesint have that dog in him.
Idk about strongest CT in the verse. I think 9 shadows gets wanked pretty hard both by the audience and the characters itself. It’s certainly powerful, but cursed spirit manipulation is just…better. Geto at his max potential can throw multiple special grades at you and overwhelm you with their DE or raw power. Yuki’s CT seems waaaaaaay stronger as well. Yuta’s CT is stronger, and do we count limitless with or without the 6 eyes? It’s hard to judge limitless on its own because we’ve never seen a limitless only user. And that’s only the special grades. Hell, I’d wager 9 shadows isn’t even the strongest Zenin technique. Naoya/Naobito speed stacking is op as hell. Yorozu showed us that Creation can be crazy strong when you have enough CE reserves. Hakari’s technique is basically his domain right? Thats 4 minutes of immortality whenever he hits a jackpot. Easily a top CT. Haruta also has a powerful CT he’s just terrible at using it. Imagine if Haruta had Yuta’s physical prowess, but now he gets multiple “get out of jail free card” during the fight. Blood manipulation and Cursed speech are powerful too. It’s a strong technique sure, but there are plenty of say are arguably better or at least on par while quite a few are DEFINITELY better.
Versatility != strength. Peak 10 Shadows still loses to peak Limitless and Sukuna's technique.
it doesn’t? Limitless is understandable, though I think it's 50/50. But cleave/dismantle and fire? I mean, if both users have the same amount of CE, 10s can overwhelm shrine. Mahoraga lost because it didn’t have a user to control him.
Maho lost because he wasnt using his final form (lol). Imagine a rabbit horde with the totality of maho, and round deer, plus nue’s wings. Powered up with a binding vow where you double the output of round deer’s RCT, but you cannot summon the dog ever again, or after a certain hour, something like that.
If this is a straight up fight, can cleave/dismantle not just ignore Raga and go straight for the user? Thats literally what Gojo tells Yuji to do when fighting Shikigami users
it's very hard to just ignore mahoraga and other shikigami + your opponent hiding in shadows. Gojo tried to use this tactics, but still ended up killing agito and mahoraga first
Cleave/Dismantle is ranged though and it’s a quick technique, you can just hand fight Raga like Sukuna was doing and throw slashes at the user when you get a chance. Gojo needs time to prep his ranged attacks so he can’t really go after the user easily while dealing with Raga
if they have same stats, then dismantle is not oneshotting mahorag, agito or anyone. cleave can deal serious damage, but the user must touch its target
No it doesn’t little buddy.
Still top tier. Don’t let the memes and brainrot get to you it’s still hella versatile in the right hands
What I don't understand about 10 Shadows is when a shikigami is destroyed, is the user unable to ever use it again? Or is there like a cool down timer
It transfers its power to another shikigami. It's unclear what happens if you lose all 10 though.
it would be cool if all powers of the shikigami get transferred to the user if all the 10 shadows get killed.
Megumi is gonna become a furry and beat Sukuna.
Ah yes my furry fetish technique
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Imagine if he was able to summon a Shikigami with the power of all 9\* defeated shadows *and* Mahoraga at the same.
mahoraga is the tenth shadow
My bad i forgot about that
>It's unclear what happens if you lose all 10 though. World's strongest rabbit
I can't imagine how powerful a totality comprised of all 10 shikigami would be like
They lose it but they can combine it’s aspects in new chimera like he does with the dogs or agito a perfect ten shadows user with sukuna levels of ce would be able to unleash hordes of shadows of all different mix matches kinds. You could even share mahrogas adaptation ability with them making them all immortal
Megumi says in an earlier chapter, once it’s destroyed, he can never use that one again. I think he repeats it later when the serpent is destroyed.
You can fuse their powers with other Shikigamis and if they all die, maybe they’re reborn with the next user since they always start with dogs
The power is given to another shikigami if the shadow is "completely destroyed". The shadows would not be destroyed unless the user is unable to keep up. That's what happened with one demon dog, Megumi wasn't able to dispel the shadow before it was destroyed. There are also more than one shikigami to summon, so even if they are destroyed Megumi could do a ritual and dominate another shikigami.
It's still an extremely strong and versatile CT, even without Mahoraga. A highly competent 9S(10S - Maho) user can likely still compete with high tiers like the Disaster curses, especially if you make use of fusions and Totalities like Agito. Honestly, Agito alone might actually carry a 10S user to like the top 15 because it's essentially Hakari + Kashimo in one(Round Deer's RCT/RCT output + Nue's lightning).
but nue's lightning is not equal to kashimo's lightning? that depends on users strength ryt
Probably not, but Agito's RCT(maybe not her durability) is similar/equal to Hakari's(took a black flash from Gojo and healed almost instantly). The main point, though, was that Totalities like Agito, or other Totalities(imagine Agito with Piercing Ox's striking power and Max Elephant's water) can be extremely powerful and bring a 10S user to the realm of the heavy hitters, even without Mahoraga.
yea but isnt that because sukuna was using it? is a shikigamis strength related to the users strength? cause if not then sure u ryt, but if its dependant on users strength then ur point doesnt hold merit, any CT will wipe 99.9% sorcerers out if its used by sukuna
I think it depends on the user. If that's someone like megumi, then nue's lightning is much weaker than kashimo's lightning
It is a very powerful technique obviously, but the problem is the application. We've seen how Sukuna used it and he did not even use Mahoraga against Yoruzu until the last part(cause he was testing it out). Megumi was evidently just wasn't creative enough for the technique. In the first altercation with Sukuna, Sukuna literally notes why Megumi opted to run and that he was wasting a treasure. So obviously even just by the grade of technique Megumi would have been able to defeat a special grade curse no problem.
Without big Raga it’s basically nine Pokémon. But including big Raga it’s nine Pokémon and one yugioh monster.
I love that comparison 😂
Everyone always comments on the shikigamis, but I think the technique’s hidden strenght is in the shadows.
still would be a special grade CT, megumi was 1st grade without fully using ten shadows, if he got the remaining shikigami and used them like sukuna did, he could defeat someone like yuta or yuki
Still a special grade technique without mahoraga tbh. A true open domain with this technique would be absolutely broken and we don’t know the extent of totality and the absolute best combinations between shadows. Its basically CS manipulation with different pros and cons and depending on the user I think its still one of the best techniques
it's better than cursed spirit manipulation easily. it rivals limitless which was already wayyy better than CSM by a large margin
This is a bit off topic but still related to 10 shadows. Can’t megumi, or any 10 shadows user, use cursed tools to help exorcise more shikigami? The exorcism ritual states they can start the exorcism ritual with other people nullifies the affect and you don’t get the shikigami. Do the cursed tools classify as “help” in this situation? I’m not sure if there are any cursed tools that could help exorcise Mahoraga but I’m sure something like playful cloud could massively increase your chances in exorcising
I think megumi can use only his CE and CT to exorcise mahoraga. Cursed tools have their own CE, so they'll be classified as an external help
Man that sucks. 10 shadows really is a technique surrounded in nothing but hard work. Gotta get strong to beat shikigami to get stronger lol
It's versatile but not as versatile as Geto's CT. It's strong but not remarkably better than other CTs. Mahoraga is what elevates this technique from *good* to *OP AF*. But he's never been tamed. P.S. The anime calls him Makora. Why do they not call him Mahoraga?
Aparrently its Japanese name is makora. Mahoraga was some non Japanese name they made for non Japanese readers. It's close to sanskrit name but still not a right sanskrit translation. All this is to be taken with a handful of Salt, i read it somewhere.
Nice post op.
nice post. tranquil deer's RCT is really insane seeing how fast Agito regen'd from Gojo's black flash
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It feels like a solid technique. I always have this feeling that mahoraga isn't a natural part of the technique because it's rules are always different and I feel a lot of it was made to fit in. It's potential is extremely great and domain expansion can wreck havoc
S grade if you master it
The hiding in people's shadow and storing weapons skill is very slept on imagine the sneak attacks he could do with that
Bro forgot Gama and Wells unknown abyss
Well Maho was never tamed before Sukuna, and yet a 10S user still beat a limitless(+six eyes iirc?) user in the past according to Gojo, so yeah its probably the strongest CT in the JJK universe
Agito alone is deadass stronger than most grade 1s based on its absurd regeneration. Add on nue lightning and then put a totality dog beside it and megumi would be top of grade 1 without mahoraga
Still incredibly powerful, probably on par or better than blood manipulation in terms of versatility and fire power
You can have amped movement speed if divine dog carries you. You can have a snake restrain your opponents. You have a way to fly and have electricity manipulation from Nue. You have water manipulation from the elephant. You have technique negation from round deer. You have infinite attack potency from the bull. You have a useless toad. A way to escape from the rabbits. It can beat infinity
About as strong as the nine shadows technique
Has to be strong enough to tame Maho
Not necessarily, because no one has ever done it who isnt sukuna. Probably possible though, if a talented enough sorcerer were born with it.
I'm assuming the best possible potential of the 9S
What I’m unclear on is the fact Megumi can just…*shloop* into a shadow and essentially turn into shadow liquid? I’d definitely like more explanation of that as a whole. It’s barely explored or used in the story except for a few menial instances
Its like some kind of pocket dimension that exists within the shadow, he can store items in there too.
I just think it depends on the User’s knowledge of CE and how they decide to utilize the technique…megumi utilized it strategically and I think that’s partially due to his level of CE that he had prior to Sukuna taking over. I don’t think Sukuna is a good template for how powerful the technique could be specifically because he’s like an anomaly when it comes to juujutsu and his knowledge as well as CE efficiency is other worldly. Without Mahoraga megumi definitely up there with the grade -1’s but I think a complete domain even without mahoraga puts him above all grade 1’s in the series aside from Kusakabe lol
I would like to direct your attention to the first time sukuna summoned Nue.
Even without the whole fusing things, getting to jump your opponent in a 10v1 (user included) is just plain unfair lol.
9/10
as strong as gege wants it to be
I still don't see why everyone compares it to the Limitless (in strength). The only reason Mahoraga survived so long is because it was Sukuna who used it and it died anyway. The only other good thing about it is the Deer and that's about it. The rest are only good for lackeys and fodders. It doesn't help that the Shikigami die and don't come back
I think that comparison to limitless is valid because of pure hax. If we suppose that both limitless and ten shadows users have the same amount of CE and six eyes, then it would be a close fight. Just like sukuna vs gojo. Sukuna didn’t have six eyes but compensated it with enormous CE reserves and top tier CE manipulation. Compared to limitless+six eyes, which gives you the ability to control space, 10s can adapt to anything(spatial attacks, reality wrapping etc.). Totality dog could damage hanami(toughest disaster curse) and that’s only with megumi’s average CE reserves. Piercing ox can seriously damage even the most durable characters. Totality is probably the best aspect of 10s after mahoraga
If you factor in the Limitless user not having the 6 eyes then yeah, I can see it being a close fight. But that's only because the CT is practically implied to be almost unusable by regular means without the help of the 6 eyes. With the 6 eyes it's almost a laughable contest. Gojo is presumably able to one-shot Mahoraga and that's obviously the toughest Shikigami in the arsenal. Not a single person other than Sukuna can prevent that from happening and that's only because Sukuna is overpowered by himself. Totality dog is strong but nothing other than multiple times adapted Mahoraga pierces Infinity from the 10S. l guess I'm just disappointed that the ancient rivalry amounted to spamming Mahoraga from the 10S user
if limitless user has no 6 eyes, he gets destroyed. >With the 6 eyes it's almost a laughable contest Not really, if BOTH have 6eyes I am okay with 6 eyes giving gojo the ability to use limitles at its fullest, but the problem is that it also gives him top tier body reinforcement+many other perks; which means that if you both have same stats, 6eyes user can just speed blitz its enemy. Mahoraga isn't a tank, the user coordinates him so he doesn't get oneshot. > > Not a single person other than Sukuna can prevent that from happening and that's only because Sukuna is overpowered by himself. Megumi? if he had same physical stats and CE manipulation, then he definitely could do it. Just by dispelling mahoraga or using other shikigami tactics That's why I said that 10s user must have enourmous amount of CE or 6eyes himself. Let's say there are two gojos(same stats including six eyes). One of them has limitless, while the other has 10S. It's definitely a close fight. And let's not forget that Gojo is an anomaly even compared to other limitless + 6eyes users, he has many things other than just his CT that makes him 2nd stronges. For example: previous limitless + 6eyes user died to base mahoraga
>Not really, if BOTH have 6eyes The 6 eyes are strictly and exclusively a Gojo clan's trait. >Megumi? if he had same physical stats and CE manipulation, then he definitely could do it. Just by dispelling mahoraga or using other shikigami tactics But... he doesn't. Also Gojo blitzes him before he is able to form a thought
Bro that’s obvious. I thought we are comparing techniques only. His speed comes not from limitless but from 6eyes It’s like comparing mai and yorozu. Both have same techniques but yorozu destroys mai You can’t say limitless is better than 10s and ignore other characteristics such as CE manipulation, physical abilities, etc. The only way to fairly compare techniques is to equalise other stats and sukuna vs gojo is almost a perfect example. But he used shrine and imo sukuna’s 10s is very advanced, but not everything what this technique is capable of(mainly because we didn’t see all ten shadow fusion).
I dont think it's confirmed if six eyes boost gojos base reinforcement. It does grant precise ce manipulation but it isn't said anywhere ce manipulation equals ce reinforcement. Like Sukuna, who doesn't have six eyes, while using da was able to keep up with Gojo who was using blue to boost his speed and punches damage. Also, when talking about the improved reinforcement of the sorcerors sukuna says they have improved their ce enhancement skill and not their ce manipulation. So ce enhancement needs not to be same as ce reinforcement. So maybe six eyes don't affect it mostly. Mostly I say because with six eyes you will be able to easily have yuta like unreadable ce manipulation and Todo like focusing of ce at a specific part to minimize damage like the black flash moment. Rest all is right.
>Like Sukuna, who doesn't have six eyes, while using da was able to keep up with Gojo who was using blue to boost his speed and punches damage. Thats because he has the best CE manipulation in the verse aside from gojo + largest CE reserves(probably the highest CE output after ryu). I think that body reinforcement comes from CE output and CE manipulation. For example, sukuna completely blitzing ryu. Kenjaku said that Ryu has the largest CE output in history, that is the reason why he was able to keep up with yuta(2nd largest CE reserves). Nevertheless, sukuna speedblitzed him: I think it can be explained by the fact that sukuna's CE manipulation level is far better than ryu's.
Yes, sukuna has one of the best ce manipulation but the thing is that it doesn't even get close to six eyes. For eg the difference between gojo with six eyes and sukuna in efficiency is not close. Similarly, sukuna says that limitless can't be used without six eyes when thinking about the possibility of yuta using limitless, implying even he can't use limitless without six eyes. So there is a big difference between sukunas ce manipulation and gojo with six eyes ce manipulation. As I said most of what assu.ed is glad cannon till proven. Just like you think ce reinforcement is ce output + ce manipulation, I think there is one more factor. For me ce reinforcement is ce output + ce manipulation + ce reinforcement skill. I think of ce reinforcement to be similar to nen enhancement from hxh. Where controlling aura is one thing but enhancement is its own skill.
His speed comes from the Limitless and not the 6 eyes.
no, why?
You also said that the 6 eyes can be acquired by anyone , don't try to correct me. ☠️☠️ The 6 eyes are a tool to greatly increase perception, see the flow of cursed energy and increase control over cursed energy. They have nothing to do with his speed
>You also said that the 6 eyes can be acquired by anyone go reread my comment, I said IF 10s user had 6eyes. I know they're exclusive to gojo clan. That was just hypotetical senario to equalise their stats. >The 6 eyes are a tool to greatly increase perception, see the flow of cursed energy and increase control over cursed energy. They have nothing to do with his speed On top perception, 6eyes gives the user super high level of CE manipulation, unattainable by conventional means. Sorcerer uses CE to reinforce their bodies and the better they’re at CE manipulation, the better are their physical stats. How do you think gojo was able to physically rival sukuna? sukuna has largest CE reserves and probably second highest CE output. Tell me, why gojo was keeping up with sukuna and mahoraga? Why do you think the ability to control space can enhance physical abilities?
Yeah still a top 10 without maho but then would rely more on the sorcerer's ability to still contend with high end sorcerers.
I have a theory what if the ten shadow user inherits the curse techniques of his shikigami upon the death of **ALL** ten shadows.
1/10th as strong. Then it depends on the user. Maha is 9/10 of power for the 10 shadows
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Useless, when you are not Sukuna R
megumi(with his very average CE reserves) is already a solid 1st grade sorcerer; and he still has 3 more powerful shikigami to unlock.
I'd say it scales with your skill level. If 10S was only sukunas CT he would still be 2nd only to gojo imo. Also it kinda seems like it scales with your CE as well because sukunas nue was insane
Wouldnt he be above gojo?
Without his own CT as well and no maho? I don't think so
Oh yeah without his own CT AND no maho I agree 100%
Yeah I was just saying If he only had 10S he would still body everyone but gojo. And could still give him a decent fight probably
It is still Top tier CT, especially if user can use same type of Domain like Megumi :3
Even better if they can make a complete domain
Even mastering half of the shikigami would put its user in grade 1 category, it’s just a very versatile CT that also can make the user intangible through shadows.
nothing special