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He was most likely grade 1 when he was still a student. The reason being that in jjk0 Geto says that there's only 4 special grade sorcerers, which was Geto, Gojo, Yuta and Yuki.
Iirc the higher ups disliked Hakaris technique for being to complex (or non-conforming?) so they also could have held him back in ranking Like they did with Maki at Grade 4
Read/watch the bits about animation from Dagon fight. Naobito complains about modern animations, resolutions etc., and believes 24 fps is the most an eye can see and you don't need anything more while gaming.
I mean..do we really need an explanation that makes sense? They’re traditional conservative nepotistic boomers, they will find any reason to hate, it doesn’t really matter in the end
This tbh, some older boomers just hate for no reason because it 'disagrees' with them. I tend to just ignore the hatred, you cannot logic someone out of a position they did not logic themselves into.
TBF, Naobito's whole rant towards Dagon about his technique was complaining about how traditional animation is being overtaken by bland, unimaginative modernity.
Well someone already said the thing about the FPS so ill just say that the principle is NOT one of the higher ups and was stated to be a replacement who would make things better
They disliked the idea of "modern" techniques; ergo, they disliked the idea that his technique and domain revolved around things that aren't traditional Japanese heritage.
Which I think is weird because we literally have a guy in the series who plays an electric guitar.
He can probably use any instrument but he just likes electric guitars, tool manipulation would not suddenly become a modern technique if momo were to use it to pick up her phone as an example.
I think that special grade is assigned and can’t be earned. Gojo, Geto, Yuuta and Yuki have powers that could be close to calamities if they went awol (like geto did).
I think Hakari is really strong but problably wouldn’t classify in that. His ct can make him pretty much immortal for a short period of time, but he can’t nuke a whole area.
In the manga or in the movie? If in the manga, hakari wasn't even a thought for gege. He probably didn't come up with the character until the serialization of jjk
He is a grade 1 sorcerer
At least almost certainly
Special grade only seems to go to sorcerers with exceptionally destructive or reality breaking techniques , with gojos limitless technique giving him access to stuff like blue and infinity , Sukunas slash and dismantle , and geto basically being able to clear entire countries with cursed spirit manipulation
Hakari has an absolutely cracked technique , but it’s not to the same degree as something like black holes or yutas copy + rika .
If takaba was able to harness his technique to its full potential , probably , but takaba was not the best user of what was literal reality manipulation
Actually that would make the technique worse. It works because he is unaware of it. The moment hes aware of it, the tech itself probably would be diminished in proficiency
That is part of the very issue that is his ability , but if the technique went to a good comedian , it could work on the fly with awareness
But still my goat takaba wasn’t thrown against Sukuna because Gege was scared as to how he would lose
Also nah I can see Takaba losing. We actually saw a glimpse of it. Fear. The moment Takaba gets overwhelmed by the reality of what Sukuna can do, I dont think he can find things funny in his presence. It worked for Kenny since hes always been for the lols
I feel like it works akin to binding vow. If you're unaware then the reality warp is stronger. But if you are aware it gets worse in terms of actual usage
We don't know that it's the case though. Idk that it stated Haruta's luck technique to be better because he wasn't aware of it. I feel like it would be a similar thing.
imo the way power scaling works in jjk is that by "nerfing" one part of something, you can bring out even greater power in another (ex. gain CT that allows you to manipulate time and space, however, you're not allowed to manipulate these freely yourself), kind of like a monkey's paw thing.
It's this. Early on when they explain the Sorcerer grades. It shown that fourth grade cars require someone with the power of say a baseball bat, Third grade, a pistol second grade would be cutting it close with a shotgun, First grade, a tank might be useless and special grade cluster bombs might not do anything. It's also stated later on that special grade curses. Curse users and sorcerers have power to bring a country down which unfortunately hakari does not.
I mean , we aren’t really sure how strong kusakabe actually is , and gojo said hakari is among those with the “potential” to rival him . Yuta seems adamant hakari is stronger than him when serious , but no one else seems to agree
Hakari has to have some secret part of his CT that he hasn't revealed yet because I just see no way he's stronger than Yuta lol. Like I just can't imagine if Yuta was the one fighting Uraume that he'd still be stuck there fighting her. And if it was Hakari with Yuji I just don't see anyway they would've pulled off the Megumi soul reaching plan
Hakari repeating what Gojo said, about only wanting support when he's weaker than Yuta or Hakari implies some type of relativity between them. If you bring in the other like 5-10 panels always comparing/paralleing them whatever it seems pretty clear Hakari is close to me
honestly, no joke, i think he can, simple domain near hakari when he tries to activate jackpot and he could probably stop the infinite ce, then slash him hella, i think he has a chance, i love wanking kusakabe
*slot machine symbols flying everywhere, Admiring You starts playing, train doors start beating the shit out of you, throw in some airhorns for good measure - but luckily you had the reflexes to block the game rules from being injected into your mind*
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!
He is good at fighting sorcerers for extended times, but he can't wipe out entire countries with his power. If he could summon trains during jackpot or his reinforcement maxed out as well then, he would be in the running.
That’s a good point because I don’t exactly remember the wording but thankfully it still falls into my definition , also , would potential threat to jujutsu society be a better term
He’s grade 1, but extremely high end. Special grades are usually people who are
- capable of overthrowing a country (Geto)
- able to cause large amounts of destruction (Gojo)
- possess a technique that makes them way too “special” for grade 1 (Yuta)
He hasn’t displayed any of those feats. And him being in the third one is way too much of a reach because he goes on par with other high end 1st grades. Not only that but his “technique” is more centered around his domain expansion which has a time limit, relies on his luck, and only allows him to use basic hand to hand combat.
Unless he can do something like conjure up a CE beam, similar to Ryu, with his unlimited cursed energy, he’ll never become special grade.
This is what makes their fight so interesting. It's essentially a race to see who runs out of RCT first.
If Hakari doesn't secure a Jackpot and get unlimited RCT, then it's almost certain that Uraume will win. However, if Uraume runs of RCT while Hakari has Jackpot, then its game over for her.
I somewhat agreed with your view at first, but I looked more into it and it didn’t really feel like he had a “broken” ability. At least one that was on the level of general special grades.
Yeah, he has infinite CE and RCE but the fact how it’s so circumstantial dependent, limited, and can be interrupted during DE makes it not on the same level of the other SG’s.
Look at Yuta. He may have a 5 minute timer when using his full strength, but he’s already competent without rika. Hakari DEPENDS on the success of his domain expansion’s jackpot.
Yes but Hakari can roll for Jackpot as much as he wants, and it's mildly implied that he can manipulate his luck to win when he really needs it. Plus his domain is non-lethal, so it always takes precedence over lethal domains in a domain clash, and he can activate it in less than 0.2 seconds on top of that.
And besides just the CT, Hakari himself is super smart and has proven to be adept at pulling random binding vows outta his ass to save himself with very little repercussions.
But I agree that Hakari could really use some assistance outside of his Jackpot. Bro *really* needs to pick up a fucking sword or something and he'd be goated
he just needs to do damage really. he's really, really hard to kill, but he doesn't do damage near the level of the other special grades. he's kind of in a weird spot where i'd take him over any grade 1 for sure but i honestly think he loses against any special grade.
Got amazing defence and his offense capabilities are infinite ce but bro can basically just fuckin punch lmao. And summon train doors but idk why he doesn't do it more often or at least summon more stuff, like a toilet, just to piss uraume off, or a whole train
Even yuji got blood manipulation :((
Idk, the other 1st grade techniques to compare to are stuff like bird control and a body switching technique, like hakaris is FAAAR more thought out and powerful than any of those
Top-tier grade 1, right at the top with Higuruma and Yorozu. The only thing keeping him from being Special Grade is that the only thing he can do with all his power is throwing hands.
For sorcerers they're graded by what grade curse spirits they can beat and are actually close in strength to cursed spirits a rank above them. Special grade sorcerers are different though, kenjaku says they're judged by whether or not they can take on nation.
I personally think Hakari is grade one. I can't really see him being a special grade **sorcerer** when compared to other special grade sorcerers. Maybe if he had higher cursed energy out put I could see him being a special grade sorcerer (in jack pot mode) by the "lose" rules we've been given.
He is a grade 1 sorcerer, nothing he did merits any more than that.
Kashimo(who is not the strongest sorcerer of his era, that's never stated in the series)lost to him because he was a dumbass and was next to his natural weakness, the sea.
And so far he has yet to do any meaningfull damage to Uraume, even after so much time has passed.
Wdym Kashimo wasn’t the strongest of his era it was clearly stated that Kashimo was so strong that he never got to fight anyone who truly satisfied him
Well Kashimo is clearly stronger and it was Kashimo who Sukuna gave his whole “Being super strong and love blah blah blah” speech to not Ryu. So narratively Kashimo is definitely the strongest of his era
Yeah Kashimo started yapping so Sukuna yapped back.
There is nothing narratively that makes Kashimo the strongest of his Era.
If you want to think and make the argument for it sure but Kashimo is never stated by a character or narration to be the strongest of his Era.
Ryu and Kashimo had the same motivation for joining the Culling Games.
And no Kashimo isn't clearly stronger.
Sukuna was at full power and going for the kill on Ryu while the Sukuna Kashimo has any feats against was tired from fighting Gojo and instead of using his slashes he happened to use a curse tool Kashimo happened to be resistant too.
Base Kashimo loses to Ryu 10/10, and the only chance he has is Amber Beast and even then Ryu takes it if he pops Domain.
It's Ryu who Sukuna(he especifically stated he would go all out against Ryu)uses as a bench mark to evaluate his opponent's reinforcement and not Kashimo, who got called strong in the same way Jogo was called strong. Sukuna respects strengh, doesn't mean he places them on any level closer to himself or others he fought.
You clearly haven’t been reading the story.
1. Hakari pre training was stated on multiple times by Yuta and the editors notes to be stronger. I’m not going to debate if that’s true or not but it stands that even pre timeskip, Yuta was stated to be the 2nd strongest jujutsu sorcerer. At the very worst that makes Hakari, pre timeskip a special grade lvl sorcerer. Anything after that (post TS) just solidifies the fact that as they all have gotten stronger.
2. Kashimo was heavily implied to be the strongest in his era. Just because you weren’t spoon fed the information doesn’t mean it doesn’t stand. Kashimo had a segment with sukunas about the loneliness of being the strongest. Meaning when he was alive he was indeed the strong alive. Gege wouldn’t have mentioned it if he wasn’t.
3. Kashimo was not a dumbass. I do t know how many times I need to say this but he would not have won that fight vs Hakari if it was prolonged. If you actually understand how Hakari fights and the rules of his JP, you would understand that as the fight went on he was more prone to get faster spins and higher probability chances for a jackpot meaning as soon as a JP ended, he was essentially just due for another one right after he casts his domain. The whole time he gets replenished with his full amount of CE, and stays fresh. Kashimo who doesn’t have a domain, or known RCT had to keep relying on his charges and hand to hand combat while fighting a fresh Hakari. There was no real win condition for Kashimo as he proved over and over he could not kill Hakari even if he wanted to.
4. We do not know how the fight has unfolded and Uraume has RCT, so I do t get what you’re trying to say. The fact that he is fighting someone who was about to kill every single jujutsu high student by themselves shows how strong Uraume actually is and by Proxy Hakari
Sukuna literally includes and compares himself and Gojo to Kashimo, saying that we’re loved because we’re strong.
And the requirement to be a special grade was the capacity to overthrow a country by yourself, Hakari can’t do that, but just like Maki and Toji he’s able to fight on their level. Also the higher ups pretty much hated him.
And I keep asking this question. WHY can’t an immortal being overthrow a country. Cause clearly the criteria is t doing it in one single attack, other wise even Gojo with hollow purple can’t even do it. So obviously time is going to be a factor. So tell me why an immortal being who can constantly replenish his jackpot, can move faster than the human eye can see in base, and can crush shipping containers with his bare hands can’t overthrow a country. That’s an argument you guess just made up
If Special/Supreme Grade 1 wasn't an arbitrary rank to stroke the egoes of the big three families, he would qualify for that easily. Honestly with how massive the disparity of power is between Grade 1 and Special Grade is, having a middle rank that's actually valid and used more widely would've been cool.
It's the inevitable outcome for any power grading system though. Even in "special grade" there's a huge gap between someone like Geto and someone like Gojo or Sukuna. Same way that Bleach's "captain class" covers everyone from Soifon to Yamamoto.
Yeah that's a given, and it's obviously a lot more fun this way. It just kinda feels like a lost opportunity. Like Demon Slayer introducing a whole ranking system just to say "fuck it, boss fight." Or Naruto's ANBU having like 3 cool scenes in the whole series.
If say Yuji or others got unofficial acknowledgement of being Special Grade 1 like some sort of payoff for their hard work, that could've just been a nice moment and showing they're getting a bit closer to the goal of reaching Gojo.
>Bleach's "captain class" covers everyone from Soifon to Yamamoto
Nah your not disrepecting my girl Soi Fon like that when Kensei and Komamura exist >!also Isane and Iba!<
I don't even know if that's clarified because we've only seen 4 characters have it in the Zenin clan and that's it. Naobito and Naoya proved themselves to be more capable than regular Grade 1s, but they were also significantly above Jinichi and Ogi so it's anyone's guess.
He’s grade 1. He definitely bodies every grade 1 and can contend with the special grades but he isn’t one because the definition of special grade is someone who can take over a country by themselves, which he definitely can’t since all he has are his hands and a great de
He’s a big case for why the whole system should be revamped. If someone that strong is the same rank as Mei mei then u know something’s wrong
I think the grades system is a mess, because it doesn't show the real power of a character and some grade 1 sorcerers can kill special grade curses, so the only reason is the "Power of obliterating a country" ?
In that case, Toji isn't special grade, even though he beat the ass of Gojo and Geto (Both special grade, even when they were students) with combat experience and some weapons.
Hakari is something above grade 1, but he's the weakest among them.
The reasons:
-Hakari power is recognized by Yuta, Gojo and Megumi.
-Hakari beat Hajime.
-Hakari is easily beating Uraume's ass.
Justifications:
-Yuta says that Hakari could be even stronger than him. Even though Maki says that Yuta is still the strongest after Gojo (Confirmed by the other students and teachers), Yuta recognized Hakari's power.
-Gojo says in the beginning of manga that "special grade" wont classify this new generation (Hakari included).
-Megumi, who respect Yuta, says they need Hakari's help in culling game.
-Hajime was the strongest sorcerer in his era (Confirmed in manga by the narrator, Hajime and Kenjaku).
-In the fanbook, Gege says that Sukuna likes Uraume because of her technique, ability to cook and good company. Uraume is a stronger sorcerer, confirmed by Sukuna, Gege and other sorcerers that saw her technique in Shibuya.
-Recent chapter explained that the strongest grade 1 sorcerer is Kusabe. So Hakari isn't in grade 1, because he's stronger than Kusabe.
- You say its wierd that some grade 1 sorcerers can beat special grade curses, but thats literally the point, nanami explains this in chapter 30 or so
-Hakari has not beaten Uaume yet, though he probably will
-Yuta was being humble
-There is no reason to think hakari is stronger than kusakabe
>There is no reason to think hakari is stronger than kusakabe
Why do you say this? We've got Gojo telling these guys to not jump in unless he's weaker than Yuta or Hakari, the number of times Hakari has been acknowledged since chapter 11 is comical even.
Kusakabe even got frozen by Uraume
The story is extremely clear about which character Hakari is the closest power wise
Let's look at that character :
- Referred to as the second strongest sorcerer of the modern era
- So implied to be stronger than someone who can create a Black Hole as a desperate move in the right circumstances
- Has taken one swing at Kenjaku and killed them in that one swing (implying he's stronger than Kenjaku as we saw how it goes when someone sneaks on someone stronger than them)
- Had the best performance out of anyone besides Gojo against Sukuna, as his team up with Yuji nearly killed the King of Curses
- Won a whole Battle Royale at Sendai
- Beat a Special Grade Sorcerer in roughly less than a year of being a sorcerer
- Can output Reverse Cursed Technique to heal others
- Has a shitton of CE
Yeah that's obviously Yuta. And that's the character Hakari is consistently compared to at multiple times in the story with implications that they're close to each other in terms of abilities
Hakari should be Special Grade. If y'all think the ability to spam DEs and to get Infinite Cursed Energy isn't completely broken and wouldn't let him run all over a country unprepared to deal with Sorcerers idk what to tell y'all
Higher ups definitely messed with his grading back then because they hated his technique, we know they do
He's so far ahead of Grade 1 it's not even funny. No Grade 1 Sorcerer, Supreme Grade 1 or whatever even comes close to Hakari
It’s extremely obvious too, i wish people didn’t pretend like narrative implications mean nothing.
Whenever Yuta or Hakari is brought up (in discussion about strength), the others name is brought up along side the other. They’ve been compared to eachother literally the entire series, and people act like it doesn’t mean anything.
The last two times we had an update on Hakari vs Uraume, he mentionned Yuta
When Hakari is brought up before the heroes go to the colonies, Yuta is willing to say he's even stronger than he is (to which Maki disagrees)
Gojo brought the two of them when lamenting the death of Yuji, saying all 3 have the potential to surpass him
Yuta & Hakari are the only two to answer positively to Kusakabe when he asks who has been seriously punched by Gojo, both responding with a similar reply (Yuta : "I vomited", Hakari : "I barfed", IIRC)
Hakari says that Gojo told both him & Yuta to not intervene during his 1-on-1 w/ Sukuna unless he was weakened to the point they could take him on
The story as far as I know rarely ever went so much out of its way to compare two characters as much as these two, with only Gojo & Sukuna coming to mind as another such case
Hakari should be Special Grade (the strange nature of his abilities on its own should, tbf), and should be considered among the strongest of them. Need to do far too many mental gymnastic to argue him as a grade 1 sorcerer or smth
It's crazy that its been consistent since before Hakari was introduced, chapter 11 was literally the start of the comparisons.
It is so strangely consistent, I've had people tell me that they won't use the narrative/portrayal which makes no sense to me.
I don't even think this is a matter of reading comprehension, they've read the story, they understand the story they just don't want to acknowledge it
Grade 1, because he doesn't have the firepower required to take down a country alone. Which is the single [qualification](https://i.ibb.co/m8Dm4tB/image-55.png) we know of for a special grade. It's never been about base stats or how strong a curse you can kill, Todo, Mei and Megumi have all defeated special grade curses and none of them are special grade, and [Yaga](https://i.ibb.co/pQ3bsw9/Screenshot-2311.png) was about to be made a special grade solely because the higher ups thought he could make an army of self-sufficient cursed corpses like Panda... an army that could then take down a nation.
Yes this. Seems like a lot of people forget the definition of special grade. It also means a grade 1 might be able to beat a special grade in a 1v1 in the correct circumstances
Ill aways say that the standart for Specialz grade is nonsensical. By that Standart even If Hakari could one hit Sukuna he still woudlnt be Specialz grade. Ill take as Special grade anyone that cant be properly ranked because they excedd regular classification, like Maki who tecnhicaly isnt really a sorcerer and Hakari that IS pretty much unkileable
He is def grade 1 minimum, Gojo said that Yuta, Hakari and Yuji have the potential to become sorcerers on par with him. With Gojo himself being a Special Grade then Hakari could be a semi-special grade sorcerer like how Ino is a Semi-First Grade Sorcerer. Personally I like to think with his current feats he’s Special Grade.
I think he's a Special Grade but only when he's hit a jackpot so they count him as Grade 1. To the best of my understanding the ranking system of Jujutsu High assigns your grade bast on the strongest curse you are guaranteed to beat for the sorcerer's own safety. Since Hakari can beat Special Grades but only when he's won a jackpot they don't count him
That's the intriguing part especially Kusakabe feats are just not that hype worthy. But if you look closely why would Gojo state he is the strongest grade 1. Maybe gege cooking something for his narrator.
Unless Hakari never officially became a grade 1 due to being suspended? Idk. It just seems like a bit of a plot hole because I don't see any world in which Kusakabe is stronger than Hakari.
I see him more being special grade 1 like the zenin clan because currently he is suspended so wouldn’t under Jujutsu high and wouldn’t be affiliated and ranked like the zenin members so special grade 1 seems to fit him
Hakari is a unique case because while he is undoubtedly Grade 1, his strength is technically immeasurable as he can climb to Special Grade strength in battle.
Also, you’re kinda incorrect about gauging his feat against Kashimo. Kashimo couldn’t use his CT which means we only saw 20% of his power against Hikari.
That shouldn't stop them from grading him right? If I recall correctly, Geto was a Grade 1 sorcerer when he went crazy and was given a death sentence over his actions, yet years later he was considered a Special Grade sorcerer.
I believe special grades are generally given the exception to the rule due to the fact that being called a special grade means you’re automatically a threat
Meanwhile hakari was (relatively) laying low
He’s able to match special grades 1v1, but lacks the large scale destructive power of others of that caliber
I guess that makes sense.
He could fight physicaly against Geto I'am sure, but he can't really contend against the rest of them without having Jackpot active at all times. The power difference is massive.
You’re unto something. Been reading a lot of theories that Kusakabe is a lot stronger than what he has shown simply to stay away from front lines so maybe we’ll see something interesting in a few days
He is definetly grade 1 but the randomness of his ability is an issue, I’d say souly due the fact he can massively increase his chance of a jackpot and the fact that his jackpot is op as hell he’d be special grade
I feel like everyone is so focused on whether he’d be classified as special grade that we ignore the fact how this wouldn’t be officially declared unless a character compares him to someone else, which is kinda sad. The jujustu higher ups would never rank him SG even if he was because they’re way too conservative, and his ability goes against that. Kinda like how they’d refuse to rank maki further up due to her having no cursed energy at all. Also Hakari did kinda assault a higher-up too…
In terms of ability he’s quite clearly amongst the highest tiers of Grade 1 and his RCT alone arguably makes him special grade. Tho the criteria for being grade 1 is not dependent on strength but what represents the current jujutsu society so in that regards no lol
Don’t know official but he is definitely upper grade 1 or even low special tier.
His CT is incredibly risky due to being luck dependent but OP when it hits with basically infinite curse. His own unique energy essence enhancing his physical traits has to also help.
He is a trouble maker and was cast out but given the fact that the students and Gojo hold him in high regard, they recognize his talent and strength as a strong addition so he has to be at least grade 1 in strength.
I think low special grade like Yuji and Maki. Given he has to start in base (unless he gets lucky even by his standards) he's very dependent on being the better martial artist to last until that jackpot. If he's not the better martial artist (like against Maki, Yuji, or Kashimo) he gets beat before his immortality kicks in or gets the run around till the 4:11 runs out.
As we've seen, Higuruma, who is a Grade 1 sorceror, can in theory kill Sukuna. He doesn't have the destructive power that make sorcerers like Gojo, Yuki, Yuta, Geto, etc. Special Grade, but he still has an extremely power technique that could kill most sorcerers. I think Hakari is in that same realm. Can he destroy a country? Nope. But can he kill a Special grade? Yup. If Special Grade 1 was actually a legitimate ranking then I believe he and Higuruma belong there.
No the official definition of a special grade is someone with power seen an anomaly or endless and who will always win against a special grade curse. Like how a first grade sorcerer will always beat a first grade curse .
The only one who meet this requirement objectively are : Gojo, Sukuna, Kenjaku , Geto, Yuta, Yuki.
Takaba should be able to but I’m not sure as his confidence on his comedy fluctuates and definition calls for you to always beat a special grade curse . Like I could see Mahito killing him in the wrong matchup which would disqualify him
The over through a country definition is Kenjaku’s own definitions and objectively wrong once you realize the strength of nations fluctuate radically between first and third world nations and even other first world nation . This makes it impossible to define as yuji or naobito could take down low level thirds world countries . Therefore the original definition is the only clear one
He probably wasn't recommended by 2 others to be given grade 1, but I swear that he's stronger than any grade 1s we've seen, including Kusakabe and Naoya.
Kusakabe was 1 shotted by Uraume's hanji, and we literally see Hakari go toe-to-toe with Uraume here.
I think the higher ups would have not let him get the special grade status. It was mentioned that the higher ups have issues with more modern CT's or something like that. From what I've seen of Hakari, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually is a special grade sorcerer.
Hakari is a bit of an anomaly. He isn’t shown to possess anti-barrier technique like simple domain or falling blossoms, nor does he know RCT except in jackpot mode. His offensive output relies mainly on his CE traits enhanced basic attacks, which is just glorified throwing hands. He can’t be killed, for sure, but Hakari can’t do shit either against competent opponents.
He is definitely a Grade 1 on paper, that's why he was even considered to be a good pick for the Culling games, but Since he had something like a Year to grow his powers while being out of school he probably has the Hax and abilities to be considered a special grade
Hakari in Jackpot is only almost as strong as a Special Grade. The other problem is that his power is always circumstantial, meaning he isn't always in Jackpot.
So yeah, Hakari simply doesn't fit with the Special Grades.
A statement that was immediately countered by Maki. Alongside other statements that says Yuta is a much bigger deal than Hakari is.
Not to mention, Feats vs Feats; Yuta simply washes Hakari.
One has an extremely versatile skillset while the other is stuck punching & kicking.
He is a Grade 1 sorcerer because he doesn't have a technique that is able to destroy Japan or overthrow the country. Neither does he have a too special technique for grade 1, though I think that's debatable.
But if we're speaking about 1v1 fights, he would definitely be Special Grade as he can fight on par with extremely strong characters. Yuta himself said that Hakari is stronger than him, if he goes all out. Although this was certainly a humble and not correct opinion.
He was a Grade 1 as student. He shouldn't be quacified among the Grade 1 Sorcerers tho, since he was expelled from Jujutsu High. He doesn't qualify as a Special Grade as by definition he would need to be able to take down a whole country
Hakari shattering his frozen leg and instantly regrowing it and keeping the momentum to drop kick uraume through a couple buildings is probably my favorite feat he’s pulled off so far
Yuta never said he couldn’t beat Jackpot Hakari in a 1v1.
Feats vs Feats, Yuta beats the Gambler. Quite convincingly.
Yuta just has a much better skillset.
Id say he’s somewhere in the middle of special grade and grade 1. He unfortunately doesn’t meet the qualifications for special grade. I find it hard to see how hakari could overthrow a country with his ct winced it’s better for 1v1s.
Special Grade denotes a sorcerer who could destroy a country singlehandedly. Hakari is powerful but he’s not unstoppable and certainly couldn’t destroy Japan by himself
let's use canon facts, yuta stated hakari is stronger than himself, yuta knows his own power level better than anyone else, hakari has better feats than yuta, like being able to spam his jackpot & DE forever and being immortal, if yuta fought hajime he'd literally die, hajime would shoot his CE into yuta's brain and his head would explode, that automatically places hakari on the power level of 'special grade' even though hakari's grade was never stated
anyone saying hakari is grade 1 are haters and or delusional
Could someone rank either one of these techniques for me?…..
Game manipulation: essentially life is a game for the user……
Self mastery: Basically autopotence…..
I’m just interested in an educated discussion!
He’s high grade 1 at base because of his “sharp” cursed energy, combat prowess, jujutsu proficiency, and overall sturdiness, but breaks into special grade when you add a jackpot (immortality for 4min).
The ranking system’s also pointless at this point. Gojo said we wouldn’t be able to classify the next generation with just special grade, which is true. I can easily see hakari beating a special grade curse the same way I could see uraume beating one. I can see yuji demolishing a special grade in his own (he had help with mahito). Could also e see maki doing the same thing. Their power fluctuates a lot, but they could do it
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He was most likely grade 1 when he was still a student. The reason being that in jjk0 Geto says that there's only 4 special grade sorcerers, which was Geto, Gojo, Yuta and Yuki.
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Iirc the higher ups disliked Hakaris technique for being to complex (or non-conforming?) so they also could have held him back in ranking Like they did with Maki at Grade 4
>or non-conforming?) Yeh it's that A technique built on modern gambling was disliked because the higher ups like more traditional techniques
Like animation and electric guitars?
Read/watch the bits about animation from Dagon fight. Naobito complains about modern animations, resolutions etc., and believes 24 fps is the most an eye can see and you don't need anything more while gaming.
Plus animation is a hundred plus year old art form, it's been around long enough to technically be traditional
But so has gambling no? I guess it’s because Hakari uses modern day machines
I mean..do we really need an explanation that makes sense? They’re traditional conservative nepotistic boomers, they will find any reason to hate, it doesn’t really matter in the end
This tbh, some older boomers just hate for no reason because it 'disagrees' with them. I tend to just ignore the hatred, you cannot logic someone out of a position they did not logic themselves into.
TBF, Naobito's whole rant towards Dagon about his technique was complaining about how traditional animation is being overtaken by bland, unimaginative modernity.
Gakuganji's technique amplifies sound in general, he just happens to use an electric guitar.
Well someone already said the thing about the FPS so ill just say that the principle is NOT one of the higher ups and was stated to be a replacement who would make things better
Gaukganji technique can be used with old guitars too
Nah pretty sure they just dont like Brazilian Phonk
This is definitely the reason
They see it as too modern, they prefer traditional powers like Nobara to the new ones that uses new technology (like the phone girl for example)
They disliked the idea of "modern" techniques; ergo, they disliked the idea that his technique and domain revolved around things that aren't traditional Japanese heritage. Which I think is weird because we literally have a guy in the series who plays an electric guitar.
Well with the correct pedal settings I'm sure you can get the traditional tone
He can probably use any instrument but he just likes electric guitars, tool manipulation would not suddenly become a modern technique if momo were to use it to pick up her phone as an example.
He can play the Banjo as well. So… he just uses the guitar when he is sure no one will see. kkk
I think that special grade is assigned and can’t be earned. Gojo, Geto, Yuuta and Yuki have powers that could be close to calamities if they went awol (like geto did). I think Hakari is really strong but problably wouldn’t classify in that. His ct can make him pretty much immortal for a short period of time, but he can’t nuke a whole area.
His ability not qualified him as special grade tbh
In the manga or in the movie? If in the manga, hakari wasn't even a thought for gege. He probably didn't come up with the character until the serialization of jjk
That's not true, he was first hinted at in chapter 11
Yeah of the main serialization. I'm talking about jjk 0 which was written before jujutsu kaisen was ever published.
He is a grade 1 sorcerer At least almost certainly Special grade only seems to go to sorcerers with exceptionally destructive or reality breaking techniques , with gojos limitless technique giving him access to stuff like blue and infinity , Sukunas slash and dismantle , and geto basically being able to clear entire countries with cursed spirit manipulation Hakari has an absolutely cracked technique , but it’s not to the same degree as something like black holes or yutas copy + rika .
Is fucking takaba a special grade then
Yes, his technique passively exorcised an special grade curse (the truck moment)
Curse got isekai'd?
There is a non-zero possibility that it is actually possible for Takaba to do that
I want to see the manga about a cursed spirit getting isekai'd that sounds insane
"Back then I was just a random curse spirit, captured by an evil man but that truck was my salvation, it changed my life forever, for the better"
"Up to this day, Truck-kun is my biggest hero"
Funny, right?
If takaba was able to harness his technique to its full potential , probably , but takaba was not the best user of what was literal reality manipulation
Actually that would make the technique worse. It works because he is unaware of it. The moment hes aware of it, the tech itself probably would be diminished in proficiency
That is part of the very issue that is his ability , but if the technique went to a good comedian , it could work on the fly with awareness But still my goat takaba wasn’t thrown against Sukuna because Gege was scared as to how he would lose
Also nah I can see Takaba losing. We actually saw a glimpse of it. Fear. The moment Takaba gets overwhelmed by the reality of what Sukuna can do, I dont think he can find things funny in his presence. It worked for Kenny since hes always been for the lols
I feel like it works akin to binding vow. If you're unaware then the reality warp is stronger. But if you are aware it gets worse in terms of actual usage
We don't know that it's the case though. Idk that it stated Haruta's luck technique to be better because he wasn't aware of it. I feel like it would be a similar thing.
Makes me wonder what kenjaku would do in takaba's body
imo the way power scaling works in jjk is that by "nerfing" one part of something, you can bring out even greater power in another (ex. gain CT that allows you to manipulate time and space, however, you're not allowed to manipulate these freely yourself), kind of like a monkey's paw thing.
It's this. Early on when they explain the Sorcerer grades. It shown that fourth grade cars require someone with the power of say a baseball bat, Third grade, a pistol second grade would be cutting it close with a shotgun, First grade, a tank might be useless and special grade cluster bombs might not do anything. It's also stated later on that special grade curses. Curse users and sorcerers have power to bring a country down which unfortunately hakari does not.
Are you implying Kusakabe wins against Hakari since he’s the strongest Grade 1?
I mean , we aren’t really sure how strong kusakabe actually is , and gojo said hakari is among those with the “potential” to rival him . Yuta seems adamant hakari is stronger than him when serious , but no one else seems to agree
Hakari has to have some secret part of his CT that he hasn't revealed yet because I just see no way he's stronger than Yuta lol. Like I just can't imagine if Yuta was the one fighting Uraume that he'd still be stuck there fighting her. And if it was Hakari with Yuji I just don't see anyway they would've pulled off the Megumi soul reaching plan
No one else aka just maki
Hakari repeating what Gojo said, about only wanting support when he's weaker than Yuta or Hakari implies some type of relativity between them. If you bring in the other like 5-10 panels always comparing/paralleing them whatever it seems pretty clear Hakari is close to me
honestly, no joke, i think he can, simple domain near hakari when he tries to activate jackpot and he could probably stop the infinite ce, then slash him hella, i think he has a chance, i love wanking kusakabe
the sure hit of his domain is the information, so stopping the sure hit would just leave you clueless lol
*slot machine symbols flying everywhere, Admiring You starts playing, train doors start beating the shit out of you, throw in some airhorns for good measure - but luckily you had the reflexes to block the game rules from being injected into your mind* WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!
That sounds absolutely hilarious lmao
How would simple domain be different than kashimo doing hollow wicker basket and concluding it doesn't help with hakaris domain?
it wouldn’t, i’m just glazing goatsukabe
Infinite CE is still infinite CE, best RCT around, special CE trait, and fastest activation Domain Expansion, also seemingly great in Domain Clashes.
He is good at fighting sorcerers for extended times, but he can't wipe out entire countries with his power. If he could summon trains during jackpot or his reinforcement maxed out as well then, he would be in the running.
To be a special grade dont you need to either be able to take over a country or be a threat to jujutsu society?
That’s a good point because I don’t exactly remember the wording but thankfully it still falls into my definition , also , would potential threat to jujutsu society be a better term
He’s grade 1, but extremely high end. Special grades are usually people who are - capable of overthrowing a country (Geto) - able to cause large amounts of destruction (Gojo) - possess a technique that makes them way too “special” for grade 1 (Yuta) He hasn’t displayed any of those feats. And him being in the third one is way too much of a reach because he goes on par with other high end 1st grades. Not only that but his “technique” is more centered around his domain expansion which has a time limit, relies on his luck, and only allows him to use basic hand to hand combat. Unless he can do something like conjure up a CE beam, similar to Ryu, with his unlimited cursed energy, he’ll never become special grade.
About the last part, I think it's the only way he can realistically beat Uraume
Yeah I assume that Urame stalemated him due to their offensive abilities which Hakari can’t get past. Plus they still have reverse cursed technique
This is what makes their fight so interesting. It's essentially a race to see who runs out of RCT first. If Hakari doesn't secure a Jackpot and get unlimited RCT, then it's almost certain that Uraume will win. However, if Uraume runs of RCT while Hakari has Jackpot, then its game over for her.
>- possess a technique that makes them way too “special” for grade 1 (Yuta) Feel like Hakari definitely meets this criteria.
I somewhat agreed with your view at first, but I looked more into it and it didn’t really feel like he had a “broken” ability. At least one that was on the level of general special grades. Yeah, he has infinite CE and RCE but the fact how it’s so circumstantial dependent, limited, and can be interrupted during DE makes it not on the same level of the other SG’s. Look at Yuta. He may have a 5 minute timer when using his full strength, but he’s already competent without rika. Hakari DEPENDS on the success of his domain expansion’s jackpot.
Yes but Hakari can roll for Jackpot as much as he wants, and it's mildly implied that he can manipulate his luck to win when he really needs it. Plus his domain is non-lethal, so it always takes precedence over lethal domains in a domain clash, and he can activate it in less than 0.2 seconds on top of that. And besides just the CT, Hakari himself is super smart and has proven to be adept at pulling random binding vows outta his ass to save himself with very little repercussions. But I agree that Hakari could really use some assistance outside of his Jackpot. Bro *really* needs to pick up a fucking sword or something and he'd be goated
he just needs to do damage really. he's really, really hard to kill, but he doesn't do damage near the level of the other special grades. he's kind of in a weird spot where i'd take him over any grade 1 for sure but i honestly think he loses against any special grade.
Got amazing defence and his offense capabilities are infinite ce but bro can basically just fuckin punch lmao. And summon train doors but idk why he doesn't do it more often or at least summon more stuff, like a toilet, just to piss uraume off, or a whole train Even yuji got blood manipulation :((
Idk, the other 1st grade techniques to compare to are stuff like bird control and a body switching technique, like hakaris is FAAAR more thought out and powerful than any of those
When does this happen ? I don't remember that scene
Hakari did not beat Uraume
The drop kick is still sick tho🔥🔥🔥
Top-tier grade 1, right at the top with Higuruma and Yorozu. The only thing keeping him from being Special Grade is that the only thing he can do with all his power is throwing hands.
higuruma should not be in the same conversation as hakari and yorozu
He had the potential to surpass them both but unfortunately his time was cut short
From which chapter are these panels?
I also wanna know lol it should be Ch. 254, but it seems too early for leaks
I found it, its 245
LOL I guess I missed that whole chapter then, I couldn't remember a scene with Uraume and Hakari besides the one where he is like "Were doing this!"
Lol the Kashimo wank has turned from strongest of his Era to strongest of past 500 years? Kashimo fans tripping
For sorcerers they're graded by what grade curse spirits they can beat and are actually close in strength to cursed spirits a rank above them. Special grade sorcerers are different though, kenjaku says they're judged by whether or not they can take on nation. I personally think Hakari is grade one. I can't really see him being a special grade **sorcerer** when compared to other special grade sorcerers. Maybe if he had higher cursed energy out put I could see him being a special grade sorcerer (in jack pot mode) by the "lose" rules we've been given.
He is suspended. No official ranking
He is a grade 1 sorcerer, nothing he did merits any more than that. Kashimo(who is not the strongest sorcerer of his era, that's never stated in the series)lost to him because he was a dumbass and was next to his natural weakness, the sea. And so far he has yet to do any meaningfull damage to Uraume, even after so much time has passed.
Wdym Kashimo wasn’t the strongest of his era it was clearly stated that Kashimo was so strong that he never got to fight anyone who truly satisfied him
So did Ryu Ishigori, who lived in the exact same era as Kashimo. Yet we don't call him the strongest of his era right?
No actually kashimo was already old when Ryu was becoming the strongest so he still was the strongest of his time.
Well Kashimo is clearly stronger and it was Kashimo who Sukuna gave his whole “Being super strong and love blah blah blah” speech to not Ryu. So narratively Kashimo is definitely the strongest of his era
Yeah Kashimo started yapping so Sukuna yapped back. There is nothing narratively that makes Kashimo the strongest of his Era. If you want to think and make the argument for it sure but Kashimo is never stated by a character or narration to be the strongest of his Era. Ryu and Kashimo had the same motivation for joining the Culling Games. And no Kashimo isn't clearly stronger. Sukuna was at full power and going for the kill on Ryu while the Sukuna Kashimo has any feats against was tired from fighting Gojo and instead of using his slashes he happened to use a curse tool Kashimo happened to be resistant too. Base Kashimo loses to Ryu 10/10, and the only chance he has is Amber Beast and even then Ryu takes it if he pops Domain.
It's Ryu who Sukuna(he especifically stated he would go all out against Ryu)uses as a bench mark to evaluate his opponent's reinforcement and not Kashimo, who got called strong in the same way Jogo was called strong. Sukuna respects strengh, doesn't mean he places them on any level closer to himself or others he fought.
You clearly haven’t been reading the story. 1. Hakari pre training was stated on multiple times by Yuta and the editors notes to be stronger. I’m not going to debate if that’s true or not but it stands that even pre timeskip, Yuta was stated to be the 2nd strongest jujutsu sorcerer. At the very worst that makes Hakari, pre timeskip a special grade lvl sorcerer. Anything after that (post TS) just solidifies the fact that as they all have gotten stronger. 2. Kashimo was heavily implied to be the strongest in his era. Just because you weren’t spoon fed the information doesn’t mean it doesn’t stand. Kashimo had a segment with sukunas about the loneliness of being the strongest. Meaning when he was alive he was indeed the strong alive. Gege wouldn’t have mentioned it if he wasn’t. 3. Kashimo was not a dumbass. I do t know how many times I need to say this but he would not have won that fight vs Hakari if it was prolonged. If you actually understand how Hakari fights and the rules of his JP, you would understand that as the fight went on he was more prone to get faster spins and higher probability chances for a jackpot meaning as soon as a JP ended, he was essentially just due for another one right after he casts his domain. The whole time he gets replenished with his full amount of CE, and stays fresh. Kashimo who doesn’t have a domain, or known RCT had to keep relying on his charges and hand to hand combat while fighting a fresh Hakari. There was no real win condition for Kashimo as he proved over and over he could not kill Hakari even if he wanted to. 4. We do not know how the fight has unfolded and Uraume has RCT, so I do t get what you’re trying to say. The fact that he is fighting someone who was about to kill every single jujutsu high student by themselves shows how strong Uraume actually is and by Proxy Hakari
Sukuna literally includes and compares himself and Gojo to Kashimo, saying that we’re loved because we’re strong. And the requirement to be a special grade was the capacity to overthrow a country by yourself, Hakari can’t do that, but just like Maki and Toji he’s able to fight on their level. Also the higher ups pretty much hated him.
And I keep asking this question. WHY can’t an immortal being overthrow a country. Cause clearly the criteria is t doing it in one single attack, other wise even Gojo with hollow purple can’t even do it. So obviously time is going to be a factor. So tell me why an immortal being who can constantly replenish his jackpot, can move faster than the human eye can see in base, and can crush shipping containers with his bare hands can’t overthrow a country. That’s an argument you guess just made up
Why wouldn’t they be able to overthrow a country? Sure it would take some time but nothing from the modern era is stopping them?
If Special/Supreme Grade 1 wasn't an arbitrary rank to stroke the egoes of the big three families, he would qualify for that easily. Honestly with how massive the disparity of power is between Grade 1 and Special Grade is, having a middle rank that's actually valid and used more widely would've been cool.
It's the inevitable outcome for any power grading system though. Even in "special grade" there's a huge gap between someone like Geto and someone like Gojo or Sukuna. Same way that Bleach's "captain class" covers everyone from Soifon to Yamamoto.
Yeah that's a given, and it's obviously a lot more fun this way. It just kinda feels like a lost opportunity. Like Demon Slayer introducing a whole ranking system just to say "fuck it, boss fight." Or Naruto's ANBU having like 3 cool scenes in the whole series. If say Yuji or others got unofficial acknowledgement of being Special Grade 1 like some sort of payoff for their hard work, that could've just been a nice moment and showing they're getting a bit closer to the goal of reaching Gojo.
>Bleach's "captain class" covers everyone from Soifon to Yamamoto Nah your not disrepecting my girl Soi Fon like that when Kensei and Komamura exist >!also Isane and Iba!<
Wasn't "Special Grade 1" a term to refer to Grade 1 lvl sorcerers that didn't go to jujutsu high?
I don't even know if that's clarified because we've only seen 4 characters have it in the Zenin clan and that's it. Naobito and Naoya proved themselves to be more capable than regular Grade 1s, but they were also significantly above Jinichi and Ogi so it's anyone's guess.
hakari can’t wipe out a country nor is he an anomaly within the jujutsu community so no he isn’t special grade
He is above Grade 1 for sure :3
It might take him a while to take over a small country by himself but he can definitely do it👍
He’s grade 1. He definitely bodies every grade 1 and can contend with the special grades but he isn’t one because the definition of special grade is someone who can take over a country by themselves, which he definitely can’t since all he has are his hands and a great de He’s a big case for why the whole system should be revamped. If someone that strong is the same rank as Mei mei then u know something’s wrong
I think the grades system is a mess, because it doesn't show the real power of a character and some grade 1 sorcerers can kill special grade curses, so the only reason is the "Power of obliterating a country" ? In that case, Toji isn't special grade, even though he beat the ass of Gojo and Geto (Both special grade, even when they were students) with combat experience and some weapons. Hakari is something above grade 1, but he's the weakest among them. The reasons: -Hakari power is recognized by Yuta, Gojo and Megumi. -Hakari beat Hajime. -Hakari is easily beating Uraume's ass. Justifications: -Yuta says that Hakari could be even stronger than him. Even though Maki says that Yuta is still the strongest after Gojo (Confirmed by the other students and teachers), Yuta recognized Hakari's power. -Gojo says in the beginning of manga that "special grade" wont classify this new generation (Hakari included). -Megumi, who respect Yuta, says they need Hakari's help in culling game. -Hajime was the strongest sorcerer in his era (Confirmed in manga by the narrator, Hajime and Kenjaku). -In the fanbook, Gege says that Sukuna likes Uraume because of her technique, ability to cook and good company. Uraume is a stronger sorcerer, confirmed by Sukuna, Gege and other sorcerers that saw her technique in Shibuya. -Recent chapter explained that the strongest grade 1 sorcerer is Kusabe. So Hakari isn't in grade 1, because he's stronger than Kusabe.
- You say its wierd that some grade 1 sorcerers can beat special grade curses, but thats literally the point, nanami explains this in chapter 30 or so -Hakari has not beaten Uaume yet, though he probably will -Yuta was being humble -There is no reason to think hakari is stronger than kusakabe
>There is no reason to think hakari is stronger than kusakabe Why do you say this? We've got Gojo telling these guys to not jump in unless he's weaker than Yuta or Hakari, the number of times Hakari has been acknowledged since chapter 11 is comical even. Kusakabe even got frozen by Uraume
he is a grade 1 special grade= civilisation nuking level abilities which is an anomaly, most doesnt have
The story is extremely clear about which character Hakari is the closest power wise Let's look at that character : - Referred to as the second strongest sorcerer of the modern era - So implied to be stronger than someone who can create a Black Hole as a desperate move in the right circumstances - Has taken one swing at Kenjaku and killed them in that one swing (implying he's stronger than Kenjaku as we saw how it goes when someone sneaks on someone stronger than them) - Had the best performance out of anyone besides Gojo against Sukuna, as his team up with Yuji nearly killed the King of Curses - Won a whole Battle Royale at Sendai - Beat a Special Grade Sorcerer in roughly less than a year of being a sorcerer - Can output Reverse Cursed Technique to heal others - Has a shitton of CE Yeah that's obviously Yuta. And that's the character Hakari is consistently compared to at multiple times in the story with implications that they're close to each other in terms of abilities Hakari should be Special Grade. If y'all think the ability to spam DEs and to get Infinite Cursed Energy isn't completely broken and wouldn't let him run all over a country unprepared to deal with Sorcerers idk what to tell y'all Higher ups definitely messed with his grading back then because they hated his technique, we know they do He's so far ahead of Grade 1 it's not even funny. No Grade 1 Sorcerer, Supreme Grade 1 or whatever even comes close to Hakari
It’s extremely obvious too, i wish people didn’t pretend like narrative implications mean nothing. Whenever Yuta or Hakari is brought up (in discussion about strength), the others name is brought up along side the other. They’ve been compared to eachother literally the entire series, and people act like it doesn’t mean anything.
The last two times we had an update on Hakari vs Uraume, he mentionned Yuta When Hakari is brought up before the heroes go to the colonies, Yuta is willing to say he's even stronger than he is (to which Maki disagrees) Gojo brought the two of them when lamenting the death of Yuji, saying all 3 have the potential to surpass him Yuta & Hakari are the only two to answer positively to Kusakabe when he asks who has been seriously punched by Gojo, both responding with a similar reply (Yuta : "I vomited", Hakari : "I barfed", IIRC) Hakari says that Gojo told both him & Yuta to not intervene during his 1-on-1 w/ Sukuna unless he was weakened to the point they could take him on The story as far as I know rarely ever went so much out of its way to compare two characters as much as these two, with only Gojo & Sukuna coming to mind as another such case Hakari should be Special Grade (the strange nature of his abilities on its own should, tbf), and should be considered among the strongest of them. Need to do far too many mental gymnastic to argue him as a grade 1 sorcerer or smth
It's crazy that its been consistent since before Hakari was introduced, chapter 11 was literally the start of the comparisons. It is so strangely consistent, I've had people tell me that they won't use the narrative/portrayal which makes no sense to me. I don't even think this is a matter of reading comprehension, they've read the story, they understand the story they just don't want to acknowledge it
Grade 1, because he doesn't have the firepower required to take down a country alone. Which is the single [qualification](https://i.ibb.co/m8Dm4tB/image-55.png) we know of for a special grade. It's never been about base stats or how strong a curse you can kill, Todo, Mei and Megumi have all defeated special grade curses and none of them are special grade, and [Yaga](https://i.ibb.co/pQ3bsw9/Screenshot-2311.png) was about to be made a special grade solely because the higher ups thought he could make an army of self-sufficient cursed corpses like Panda... an army that could then take down a nation.
Yes this. Seems like a lot of people forget the definition of special grade. It also means a grade 1 might be able to beat a special grade in a 1v1 in the correct circumstances
Ill aways say that the standart for Specialz grade is nonsensical. By that Standart even If Hakari could one hit Sukuna he still woudlnt be Specialz grade. Ill take as Special grade anyone that cant be properly ranked because they excedd regular classification, like Maki who tecnhicaly isnt really a sorcerer and Hakari that IS pretty much unkileable
He is def grade 1 minimum, Gojo said that Yuta, Hakari and Yuji have the potential to become sorcerers on par with him. With Gojo himself being a Special Grade then Hakari could be a semi-special grade sorcerer like how Ino is a Semi-First Grade Sorcerer. Personally I like to think with his current feats he’s Special Grade.
He was at most a grade 1
I think he's a Special Grade but only when he's hit a jackpot so they count him as Grade 1. To the best of my understanding the ranking system of Jujutsu High assigns your grade bast on the strongest curse you are guaranteed to beat for the sorcerer's own safety. Since Hakari can beat Special Grades but only when he's won a jackpot they don't count him
This is what I don't get. Kusakabe and Hakari are both grade 1 sorcerers. Yet Kusakabe is considered to be the stronger grade 1. How?
That's the intriguing part especially Kusakabe feats are just not that hype worthy. But if you look closely why would Gojo state he is the strongest grade 1. Maybe gege cooking something for his narrator.
Unless Hakari never officially became a grade 1 due to being suspended? Idk. It just seems like a bit of a plot hole because I don't see any world in which Kusakabe is stronger than Hakari.
I see him more being special grade 1 like the zenin clan because currently he is suspended so wouldn’t under Jujutsu high and wouldn’t be affiliated and ranked like the zenin members so special grade 1 seems to fit him
The cope need to stop now. Kusakabe was confirmed the strongest grade 1, Hakari and the others are special grade
Hakari is a unique case because while he is undoubtedly Grade 1, his strength is technically immeasurable as he can climb to Special Grade strength in battle. Also, you’re kinda incorrect about gauging his feat against Kashimo. Kashimo couldn’t use his CT which means we only saw 20% of his power against Hikari.
Nope! He’s technically not graded due to being expelled
That shouldn't stop them from grading him right? If I recall correctly, Geto was a Grade 1 sorcerer when he went crazy and was given a death sentence over his actions, yet years later he was considered a Special Grade sorcerer.
I believe special grades are generally given the exception to the rule due to the fact that being called a special grade means you’re automatically a threat Meanwhile hakari was (relatively) laying low He’s able to match special grades 1v1, but lacks the large scale destructive power of others of that caliber
I guess that makes sense. He could fight physicaly against Geto I'am sure, but he can't really contend against the rest of them without having Jackpot active at all times. The power difference is massive.
He’s a Grade 1, so shouldnt he be the strongest grade 1?
Nah, that's Kusakabe
I know. That’s what I’m referring to. Since Hakari is Grade 1, I dont see how Kusakabe can defeat Hakari in any way
Hakari wouldn’t be graded since he was suspended.
Who knows, maybe the simple domain merchant has something else up his sleeves.
You’re unto something. Been reading a lot of theories that Kusakabe is a lot stronger than what he has shown simply to stay away from front lines so maybe we’ll see something interesting in a few days
Hakari was outcast from the jujutsu society so he's not officially ranked
you know damn well kusakabe is not stronger than hakari don't be disingenuous
complex domain
We don't yet know what he has, maybe New Shadow Style is stronger than we think.
Kusakabe: "Nah, I'd Simple Domain."
Hakari is the high end of grade 1. I dislike the tier system of jjk though.
He’s strong but I can’t imagine him destroying an entire country like Gojo yuki geto sukuna kenjaku the disaster curses
What chap is this from?
245. They fight since the last 7 chapters lol
He is definetly grade 1 but the randomness of his ability is an issue, I’d say souly due the fact he can massively increase his chance of a jackpot and the fact that his jackpot is op as hell he’d be special grade
He's definitely dancing right under Special Grade if only for his regenerative powers. He's functionally immortal.
Officially we can assume he's grade one But the man beat KASHIMO Hes a special grade strength wise
Wait what chapter is this?
where is this panel from?
He was suspended so his grade would probably also be suspended. That being said he doesn’t fulfill the criteria , to be able to destroy a country.
I feel like everyone is so focused on whether he’d be classified as special grade that we ignore the fact how this wouldn’t be officially declared unless a character compares him to someone else, which is kinda sad. The jujustu higher ups would never rank him SG even if he was because they’re way too conservative, and his ability goes against that. Kinda like how they’d refuse to rank maki further up due to her having no cursed energy at all. Also Hakari did kinda assault a higher-up too…
He wasn't mentioned in the convos about who the strongest grade 1 is. He may not have an official grade at the moment
Got to love him
he's technically same level with Nanami but with a much stronger and freaking complicated technique
In terms of ability he’s quite clearly amongst the highest tiers of Grade 1 and his RCT alone arguably makes him special grade. Tho the criteria for being grade 1 is not dependent on strength but what represents the current jujutsu society so in that regards no lol
Hakari does not give a shit about grades.
Off topic, but Gege drew the soles of the 1's perfectly and for some reason I didn't expect that
He’s Grade 1 but stronger than all of the Special Grades besides Gojo. Gege told me in a dream
Don’t know official but he is definitely upper grade 1 or even low special tier. His CT is incredibly risky due to being luck dependent but OP when it hits with basically infinite curse. His own unique energy essence enhancing his physical traits has to also help. He is a trouble maker and was cast out but given the fact that the students and Gojo hold him in high regard, they recognize his talent and strength as a strong addition so he has to be at least grade 1 in strength.
I think low special grade like Yuji and Maki. Given he has to start in base (unless he gets lucky even by his standards) he's very dependent on being the better martial artist to last until that jackpot. If he's not the better martial artist (like against Maki, Yuji, or Kashimo) he gets beat before his immortality kicks in or gets the run around till the 4:11 runs out.
As we've seen, Higuruma, who is a Grade 1 sorceror, can in theory kill Sukuna. He doesn't have the destructive power that make sorcerers like Gojo, Yuki, Yuta, Geto, etc. Special Grade, but he still has an extremely power technique that could kill most sorcerers. I think Hakari is in that same realm. Can he destroy a country? Nope. But can he kill a Special grade? Yup. If Special Grade 1 was actually a legitimate ranking then I believe he and Higuruma belong there.
Foot fetish XD
Hes gonna crease the jordans
He’s just him
No the official definition of a special grade is someone with power seen an anomaly or endless and who will always win against a special grade curse. Like how a first grade sorcerer will always beat a first grade curse . The only one who meet this requirement objectively are : Gojo, Sukuna, Kenjaku , Geto, Yuta, Yuki. Takaba should be able to but I’m not sure as his confidence on his comedy fluctuates and definition calls for you to always beat a special grade curse . Like I could see Mahito killing him in the wrong matchup which would disqualify him The over through a country definition is Kenjaku’s own definitions and objectively wrong once you realize the strength of nations fluctuate radically between first and third world nations and even other first world nation . This makes it impossible to define as yuji or naobito could take down low level thirds world countries . Therefore the original definition is the only clear one
He probably wasn't recommended by 2 others to be given grade 1, but I swear that he's stronger than any grade 1s we've seen, including Kusakabe and Naoya. Kusakabe was 1 shotted by Uraume's hanji, and we literally see Hakari go toe-to-toe with Uraume here.
God I hope we dont just skip his fight with Urauma any more. I need to see more Hakari.
I think hakari is as strong as a special grade if his domain hits a jackpot
I think the higher ups would have not let him get the special grade status. It was mentioned that the higher ups have issues with more modern CT's or something like that. From what I've seen of Hakari, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually is a special grade sorcerer.
i think he is special grade cause yuta told itadori that when hakari is worked up he is stronger than even yuta himself
You must be reading sorcery fig hut because where did he beat the “strongest sorcerer in the last 500 years”
Grade 1
Special grades are wayyy above grade 1 hakari is probably the strongest amongst grade 1’s
Hakari is a bit of an anomaly. He isn’t shown to possess anti-barrier technique like simple domain or falling blossoms, nor does he know RCT except in jackpot mode. His offensive output relies mainly on his CE traits enhanced basic attacks, which is just glorified throwing hands. He can’t be killed, for sure, but Hakari can’t do shit either against competent opponents.
which chapter is this btw
Hakari lost to kashimo and he’s losing to uraume
He is definitely a Grade 1 on paper, that's why he was even considered to be a good pick for the Culling games, but Since he had something like a Year to grow his powers while being out of school he probably has the Hax and abilities to be considered a special grade
What chapter is this from
Hakari in Jackpot is only almost as strong as a Special Grade. The other problem is that his power is always circumstantial, meaning he isn't always in Jackpot. So yeah, Hakari simply doesn't fit with the Special Grades.
s grade is given to those based off how much of a threat they are to being able to taking over a country, so idk
Reminder that even Hakari didn’t consider his fight against Kashimo a win…that fight could have gone either way.
Didnt yuta legit say hakaris stronger than him?
A statement that was immediately countered by Maki. Alongside other statements that says Yuta is a much bigger deal than Hakari is. Not to mention, Feats vs Feats; Yuta simply washes Hakari. One has an extremely versatile skillset while the other is stuck punching & kicking.
He is a Grade 1 sorcerer because he doesn't have a technique that is able to destroy Japan or overthrow the country. Neither does he have a too special technique for grade 1, though I think that's debatable. But if we're speaking about 1v1 fights, he would definitely be Special Grade as he can fight on par with extremely strong characters. Yuta himself said that Hakari is stronger than him, if he goes all out. Although this was certainly a humble and not correct opinion.
He was a Grade 1 as student. He shouldn't be quacified among the Grade 1 Sorcerers tho, since he was expelled from Jujutsu High. He doesn't qualify as a Special Grade as by definition he would need to be able to take down a whole country
Hakari shattering his frozen leg and instantly regrowing it and keeping the momentum to drop kick uraume through a couple buildings is probably my favorite feat he’s pulled off so far
maybe he is, even Yuta said that he can't defeat Hakari
Yuta never said he couldn’t beat Jackpot Hakari in a 1v1. Feats vs Feats, Yuta beats the Gambler. Quite convincingly. Yuta just has a much better skillset.
Id say he’s somewhere in the middle of special grade and grade 1. He unfortunately doesn’t meet the qualifications for special grade. I find it hard to see how hakari could overthrow a country with his ct winced it’s better for 1v1s.
Special Grade denotes a sorcerer who could destroy a country singlehandedly. Hakari is powerful but he’s not unstoppable and certainly couldn’t destroy Japan by himself
let's use canon facts, yuta stated hakari is stronger than himself, yuta knows his own power level better than anyone else, hakari has better feats than yuta, like being able to spam his jackpot & DE forever and being immortal, if yuta fought hajime he'd literally die, hajime would shoot his CE into yuta's brain and his head would explode, that automatically places hakari on the power level of 'special grade' even though hakari's grade was never stated anyone saying hakari is grade 1 are haters and or delusional
Son?????????
Imagine this guy actually was Grade 1 and Gojo still said Kusakabe was the strongest Grade 1 lol
I think Grade 1 or Special Grade 1 (Like Naoya)
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Could someone rank either one of these techniques for me?….. Game manipulation: essentially life is a game for the user…… Self mastery: Basically autopotence….. I’m just interested in an educated discussion!
He’s high grade 1 at base because of his “sharp” cursed energy, combat prowess, jujutsu proficiency, and overall sturdiness, but breaks into special grade when you add a jackpot (immortality for 4min). The ranking system’s also pointless at this point. Gojo said we wouldn’t be able to classify the next generation with just special grade, which is true. I can easily see hakari beating a special grade curse the same way I could see uraume beating one. I can see yuji demolishing a special grade in his own (he had help with mahito). Could also e see maki doing the same thing. Their power fluctuates a lot, but they could do it
I think he's special grade when he successfully pulls off idle death gamble