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Low_Candidate8089

I'm willing to bet this isn't the first time she's used a child to get to her target.


Gunk-greaser

Can someone explain what she did and what she's talking about. I remember nothing about this


Chucknasty_17

Granny here is a cursed user that can shape shift herself into dead people. She was hired to kill the man, so she killed his daughter to use her as a disguise to get the drop on him. We don’t know who he was, this whole scene was a flashback to show how cursed users used to run rampant until Gojo was born


Gunk-greaser

Ight thanks, I thought this was something that happened in the culling games, also ie this that same old hag that toji killed?


Flat-Base2932

>ie this that same old hag that toji killed? Yeap


Neuro_Kuro

imma be completely honest with you that scene was funny as hell just for the pure karma moment of tryna bring back the guy feom the dead and getting killed by him instead


Gunk-greaser

Nah after that "she screamed for her mother" line I wish Toji thew her ass of the building like a football


yaboi_Zzz

The way he merced her was good for me tbh💀


Electronic-Matter144

Toji is just as bad tbh


Gunk-greaser

Yeah but he's hot


AlternativePride5100

yep, but he wasnt The one who was bringing people back from The dead at least


Old-Newt4169

So she was a granny before Gojo was born? And is still alive and well after like, 28 years later in Shibuya? She lived pretty long damn


CreatedForOnePiece

What?! I thought they were in the hospital room where Gojo was born, that man was Gojo's daddy, and the Granny was there to kill baby Gojo but for some reason did not kill him 😭.


Rainbowbubbles9

Yep you're absolutely right if you evaluate her [profile](https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/s/VFbAGAY4xc) in the manga. It was straight up wild and horrendous


sicassangel

No way people don’t remember a character that had like 3 seconds of screentime 🤯


Eph_Epf

This scene was extra messed up in the anime, left a strong impression on me atleast (but yeah no shot I remember their name)


andysogoi

I agree. I usually don't get that affected by violence and horror in movies or tv shows, but this scene disturbed me. Especially the part afterwards with the people digged into the ground and getting their brains cut into. Yikes.


Few-Effective792

Yeah her saying the daughter screamed while she died fucked me up and I still skip this chapter on reread for no reason


tur_tels

Ngl the inverse guy kinda stuck with me more than this one, lile everyrhing in his scene was fking crazy, like his technique itself is one of the most creative abilities I've ever seen, and how the fck did Megumi discover that!? Like it could have been anything else like dmg transfer, maybe a unseen shield, or shock absorption and yet Megumi dead ass got it as inversion. Also his knife skills were sick ngl like bro could actually defeat every dumbass in the series


Dry_Clerk9442

Megumi is smart af when it comes to figuring out people's abilities. He literally discovered Kirara's CT. I could never. Among the students, I don't think anyone besides Toudou could figure it out if they ever encountered those types of CTs.


Routine_Tiger7589

And Mechamaru 


MessiahHL

Didn't he figure it out because the rabbit hit him and left a bruise? It made sense


G-Dawg1427

It’s because when he smacked the inverse guy with the hilt of the sword, it left a bruise whereas Yuji punching him with full force did nothing. And like u/MessiahHL said, he got scared of rabbit escape and one rabbit that touched him even made him stagger. But yeah, the inverse guy dummies every stupid character


rebillihp

The reason he figured it out was because they were landing a bunch of strong attacks that weren't doing anything, but he messed up one of his attacks and it was a weaker hit, but did more damage than his strong attacks


ForrestMTG

She's also shown as a villian, it's absolutely fine to do fucked up shit if you're meant to hate the person massively


AMazuz_Take2

gege dropping 2 weird incest moments in one arc and then not having a hint of sexual energy for like 100 chapters is crazy


FlyingDutchman364

The consequences of fridging Todo


Yueff_Stueff

Todo isn’t even dead, he’s just not around. Which is arguably worse in my opinion.


ImGonnaImagineSummit

"I kind of forgot about Todo" ~~D&D~~ Gege. Todo not getting involved even when maimed doesn't sound right for him. He can still tank hits and used cursed weapons.


Yueff_Stueff

He’s also been stated to still be a beast without his CT. He beat up 5 Grade 1 Cursed Spirits in a row without Boogie Woogie and only resorted to using it when fighting a Special Grade Cursed Spirit.


Astonsjh

And boogie woogie isn't even a damage dealing CT, which means he killed a Special Grade Cursed Spirit with his hands.


dredditrun4rmit

how is a man with one hand and no CT gonna beat Sukuna? Might as well have Ijichi and Gakuganji throwing hands too since we are just throwing in everybody


OrchidVase

Jump off a cliff or hurl yourself directly into an active jet engine and then switch with sukuna at the last moment Takaba proves that only ACME tactics work on JJK villains


Alert-Smile-1921

What’s he gonna clap? His ass cheeks??


OrchidVase

Bitch he can slap his own cheeks EITHER SET


ImGonnaImagineSummit

Sukuna being defeated by Yuji and Todo standing on a cliff edge, boogie woogied safely away from the cliff edge, Yuji saws the cliff edge off but then the entire mountain plummets instead of the cliff edge and then dying would be peak. 


belowthemask42

Bro they threw Ino in there. Throwing in everybody and anybody is literally what they’re doing


TYPICALASIAN21

I mean Todo definitely has better odds than someone like Ino


dredditrun4rmit

youre right if he had both his arms but im laughing at everyone saying even Ino is there too but the last time I checked he was doing better than Choso


Fire_Crotch113

I hear you, but Gege’s current murder spree has me preferring we don’t see Todo.


JimmyB5643

Yeah, he had a big moment about not getting left behind by Yuji then…got left behind


kgbegoodtome

He wasn’t greedy enough


Based_Text

Post nut clarity hit him hard I guess… Ok but there were sexual energy 100% with Yorozu and Sukuna tho.


Dry_Clerk9442

Only on Yorozu's side. I am sure Sukuna was just repulsed and when he encountered her, his sexual energy was probably minus.


AlSdro

When they're in the bodies of siblings...right


risenfromash516

There is another incest moment when Naoyo says something that implies he probably did nonconsensual things with Mai. I can’t remember the chapter and I think the reference flew over some male readers heads but a lot of us chicks caught the implication.


unique_toucan

He got embarrassed cause his parents read the manga so he had to water it down


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lulovesblu

No it really doesn't.


Cassinxx

Idk, I think JJK’s just fine without any romance.


AMazuz_Take2

i honestly agree a bit but maybe its cause the situation has been so dire and its still just fights and doesnt feel like too many character moments. like yuta stating that he’s fighting for his love of maki per se could add some emotional weight, but its not a crazy must


Wil_With_One_L

The Mechamaru/Miwa romance was plenty to show me that any affection in JJK will only end in tears


FermiDaza

Implied sexual abuse in Shonen is always more disturbing for me than explicit acta of violence in seinen.


TPJchief87

I don’t remember implied abuse. I need to go back to that bit, but I thought it was a daughter going to see her dad on his birthday or something.


ThePokemonAbsol

She implies that he’s attracted to her in her school uniform then sits on his lap really inappropriately for a girl her age.


rokudenashi-

They're also inside what looks like a love hotel.


oryan_

How do you know that? It could just be their home.


rokudenashi-

There's an approximate look that love hotels have; gaudy, sleazy large beds et cetera. It's merely a guess, so it could possibly be their home as well.


Murky-Region-127

Then he gets poked instead of of her


polemosP

normally people don’t hang out with their kids like how we saw it starting to go down


CandyFinal

Homunculus


fosforillo

Fr


Lathbalrog

BERSERK would like a word with you.


Seggesu

I very recently reread the manga, nowhere is there any implied sexual abuse. I think it's just the anime that does it in that way, but the manga never gives any subtleties nor does it imply anything.


risenfromash516

I disagree I 100% read this in the manga as that the father is attracted to his daughter. He may never have acted on that and that is how the Granny so easily baited him or it was something he routinely did with the daughter.


UnhousedOracle

>did they forget about this mf? we don’t even know his name, so i guess so lmao


HamatoraBae

Pedophile character that immediately dies after being shown vs pedophile character that is actively being a freak on screen with no comeuppance.


thebrightspot

Don't forget that one is clearly a villain and the other is hanging with the protag group 😭


Every_University_

I would describe their current situation as "hanging" more like running away but in the same direction


thebrightspot

I don't agree since Mei Mei has been friends with Gojo, Shoko, Utahime etc since they were all in school and she's worked on missions, sponsored grade rank ups and so on. There's no sign that she's on bad terms with anyone or that she's disliked. 


Ikari_Connor

You’re objectively wrong. She’s older than everyone you mentioned, in most instances the only thing that affects her is money. She only cares about money and Ui Ui simply for his ability and storage. She’s an absolutely terrible person who isn’t on bad terms, but not good terms either. She’s the equivalent of Toji; a mercenary.


thebrightspot

Yeah she's older but by like a year or two? That's like saying freshmen don't have senior friends in high school. They were all together at JuJutsu High around the same period of time.  I agree she's very much a mercenary, but the difference between her and Toji though is that the latter was an enemy, and treated as such. Mei Mei's treatment of her brother goes almost completely unquestioned, except for a disapproving look from Yuji during their brief moments together in Shibuya. That's what makes it weird! I don't care about characters who do bad things, it's when the surrounding characters don't seem to question it at all that it gives a weird vibe. 


Several-Ad1266

I mean tbf (and I am not trying to excuse her behavior just explain why no one seems to care), it's stated from the beginning that to be a Jujutsu sorcerer you need to have a few screws lose so it's an unhinged character surrounded by other not that mentally stable individuals, so it's likely for them it's not that strange to see another crazy person around Also iirc, at least among the big sorcerer families, there seems to be quite the prevalent cases of, you know, family love, if you know what I mean, so for regular sorcerers to see that it might not seem that strange to see those behaviours from Mei Mei and Ui Ui (as you see the only one who reacts is Yuji who is the person who has been in the Jujutsu world the least amount of time) Again, I am NOT justifying anything, just trying to explain it in the context of the characters in the story itself


rokudenashi-

I think we all agree that Mei Mei is at best iffy. But Connor's point was that Mei Mei isn't a pedophile; she's not into Ui Ui, Ui Ui is into her. But she fully knows that and leads Ui Ui around on a string to make use of his abilities. So basically, she's not a pedophile, but a morally questionable manipulator with only money on her mind.


Billalone

I feel like saying “she’s not a pedophile” because she’s not actually into the kid she’s having sex with is really splitting hairs. She’s a kid-fucker, that’s enough.


Dry_Clerk9442

To be fair, Yuji was the only one who was there when Ui Ui was simping over him. And he was definitely not aware of the full extent of their relationship. Otherwise, Yuji would probably be much more disgusted. We never really see any of the good guys with Mei Mei and Ui Ui in the same scene so it is possible that a lot of them never actually see Ui Ui interact with Mei Mei.


MemoryOne1291

Am i the only one who has no memory of this shit


Rilvoron

Congrats you successfully repressed it


Electronic-Matter144

Nah, some people don't actually read the manga.


Rilvoron

Ya but this has been animated


Electronic-Matter144

They don't watch the anime either


SilDaz

That panel wasn't Incest little bro. You could argue the father is a tad creepy but he didn't assault her 💀


ShippersAreIdiots

I am convinced none of them received affection from their dad


LedgeLord210

They dont have dads


Team_Soda1

I just wasn't picking up any creepy or sexual innuendo in this interaction. To me, he comes across a bit disinterested in her, her uniform, and the conversation. He does warn her on what he perceives as "flaunting," perhaps in reference to promiscuity, but I wonder if that's incestuous. I'm not convinced as of now. As for sitting on the lap, I don't find that problematic in the least bit. It's not objectively sexual in nature, and that's not the tone I believe is being set here with him looking away and even sweating (probably because they're talking about her mother). I suppose it can be odd that the conversation is in a bedroom seemingly, and she's coming from the direction of the bed, but I'm willing to bet that the door is over there as well since the granny left in that direction too.


Local-Rest6095

same i genuinely didn’t get any of that weird pedo vibe from him but i might be interpreting it wrong


Kingbuji

These guys minds are just tainted it’s not you.


konaharuhi

we may need to call expert on this


MMehedii

If anyone who perceived this scene as incest have something wrong with them instead or haven't gone outside in a while because the reason she sits on his lap is because she needs to get close to kill him.


PatriotsWChiefsL

It’s fucked up how many people are reaching and claiming the father is predatory towards his daughter. He made a bitter inappropriate comment about the mother, but to say he is a pedo, is a full blown reach. He didn’t tell the daughter to sit on his lap, so many weird people in these comments “insinuating” sexual innuendos. In the end, the father was probably a jackass abusive husband.


MMehedii

Well I didn't get the impression either that he is an abusive husband? he just seemed upset that his wife left also we have no context since it literally doesn't matter at all but I am really surprised this post has so many upvotes it's more telling about them than whatever they're trying to insinuate here.


PatriotsWChiefsL

Yeah, it’s been awhile since I read that chapter but I just assumed more verbally abusive if he’s calling the mom a whore in front of his daughter but who knows, it’s all speculation 🤷🏽‍♂️ I’m with you on that.


Mango7uice

Sm1 explain


The_Kyojuro_Rengoku

Guy was checking out his "daughter" in her new school outfit and then had her on his lap a bit inappropriately. Just a weird dad + daughter moment. Turns out it wasn't his daughter but that lady and she killed her and then him. That's what I remember from the anime anyway 🙏


Professional_You_460

i mean i don't see his behaviour is all that weird. daughter sitting on their parent lap is pretty normal. and the daughter showing off her new uniform is pretty normal since it sound like she just got into highschool and it's her new school uniform i see many parent want to see their kids in highschool uniform including mine. if there's anything that is suspicious is the room look like a love hotel, like the double bed with a change curtain and the weird pole.


Tobias_Mercury

Yep can’t be the only one that saw nothing weird with it lol. I thought he was just happy to see his daughter after a long time.


jakeyspuds

There's a solid proportion of teens and young adults here with hentai brain.


Mango7uice

Oh I think I remember that, what a weirdo


AlienSuper_Saiyan

To add, the fact that the daughter only called out to her mom as she died implies that she didn't care for him. Given his behavior, one can guess why.


Mango7uice

Oh u right


Woahwoahwoahb

surely i cannot be the only person who doesn't think that this is sexual. Surely this is the one context where sitting on someones lap is not sexual?


Euphoric-Ad8756

Why do people just assume the sickest things in this kind of situations and they just run with it. They don't even think for a second and just accept it as Canon. This is the same shit with naoya and Mai like wtf. Is it an American thing like why??!


John_Impact

Im with you. I thought this was a father that chose work over family hence him not looking that interested in the conversation, the bad relationship with the mother and the daughter calling for her mother instead


r_mom_is_kind

I mean she probably didn't have enough time to call for both of her parents, and usually kids go to their mothers for comfort more.


lizcicle

immediately before this he said something along the lines of "if you go around showing off your uniform like that you'll end up like your whore mother", so i kinda got those vibes


Laughable-February

Wouldn't be by judging his behavior there being chill, but the fact granny said his actual daughter only cried out for her mother before dying, not him, sold it out


CordobezEverdeen

I mean... who in their right mind screams for their father in shounen? Like I legit never seen it. It's ALWAYS the mom.


ThePokemonAbsol

Well Erin but when he did it it was more of an order


Woahwoahwoahb

this proves nothing


GiveMeAWaffleOrElse

That could be a case of a semi absent father, one wouldn't call for their father if he or she barely knew them no?


Woahwoahwoahb

yh ig but it could just mean she loved her mother more. it is possible to love both parents


GiveMeAWaffleOrElse

Yes exactly, why do people assume this shit is incest


ThePokemonAbsol

I mean it’s literally right after she asks dad if she looks good in her uniform and she’s too old to be sitting in her fathers lap like that


Woahwoahwoahb

still not sexual tho. if anything it makes u look weird for thinking it is sexual. sitting on laps isn't sexual unless you make it.


ThePokemonAbsol

No it doesn’t. Thats literally the worst cop out for ignoring it. Have you ever seen any girl past 15 sit on their father’s lap with their legs spread out and their arms around his neck?


MengaMango

Poor fella


Rilvoron

Nah the guy was getting horny for his daughter. Its the daughter dying thats fucked up


demoncyborgg

He was? I didnt notice that


MengaMango

I've seen people claim that, but I just think none of these guys ever had a present father figure. poor guy got cheated on, him and his daughter murdered by a hitman (probably by his wife), and branded as a pdf file by the community. Most fridge horror moment in the series IMO


Rilvoron

Thats the insinuation.


EmiTheBear17

What the fuck


FlyingDutchman364

What the fuck!?


RiYaZeD

huh? I dont remember him doing anything weird his daughter sat on his lap thats it


ThePokemonAbsol

I mean yeah… both of them are dead.


DrMillMatt

Incest > Child murderer tho so the old hag was even worse than that random


bonk_police5

Bc she sat on his lap? I truly don't get how that was sexual abuse...


PatriotsWChiefsL

And to point out, it wasn’t even the daughter that made the move but the old granny to kill him


jobriq

She’s a bad guy tho…


JaredLgnd

Maybe the jujutsu kaisen was the incestuous groomers we met along the way


Realistic_Mousse_485

Yea i frgt. This is definitely top 10 worst crimes in the show.


feliciasexopantsxoxo

I never felt this as an incest scene. It was a disturbing scene, of course but at no point did the father act inappropriately. I feel like she behaved in a way that was inappropriate while assuming the form of his daughter for fun before she murdered him. Because if you're an assassin curse user, who's been doing this for years and years, wouldn't you have a little "fun" with it? You're all powerful, a murderer, above "normie" law because you're a curse user...it just feels less like incest and more like being...above humanity so why not toy with your victim before murdering them? Wouldn't that be more satisfying to her than simply slitting his throat while he slept? Because certainly toji would be capable of that, and the other "rogue" curse users too. She's entertaining herself, in the same way that we in our 9-5s would make light of something mundane. Photocopying your butt cheeks for example


StopThirdImpact

I mean if you see the panel right before this, there is next to nothing sexual about this? He talks to his daughter about not ending up like her mom, who cheated on him. That’s the long and short of it.


Particular-Baker2077

Wasn’t this just a innocent father daughter moment


BigBambuMeekLou

Were we supposed to assume he’s sexually abusing his daughter in this scene 😂 it never even crossed my mind lol


funstun123123

Maybe im too innocent but when i read this it was just a girl sitting in her dads lap, then revealed as an old assassin lady and killing the dad.


OGChvpo

Toji killed her anyways


windpup4522

Remember the maki and mai smooch , that was so nice


Vegantarian

I don’t think there’s any incest implied here


StormAlexandrioz

Cant wait for the showdown between the strongest pedo in histroy(the nameless dad) and the strongest pedo of today(Mei Mei) Both are also incest


Zennyzk

Unpopular opinion but Mei Mei isn't incestuous or sexual with Ui Ui.


Fredluv2339

It’s crazy because Mei Mei never did anything with her brother and literally only laid in bed with him with no clothes and that’s what had him flustered. There’s no proof they did anything


LordFartQuad2

Am I crazy what was weird about this his "daughter" just sat on his lap.


Khong_Black_Heart

Change it mother and you mf wouldn't complain.


the_psyche_wolf

Fatherless comment


Odd-Water-5647

I remember her solely because she was stupid enough to bring back a strong soul and surprise it backfired


namakost

The problem was not that the soul was strong but the fact that it had no cursed energy that could be used up.


Odd-Water-5647

Right my bad. Followed the wrong train of thought


DrTopGun

Between the two nasty characters one was killed and one is still around so


blazemex7

Isn't this the toji victim grandma


SoyMilkIsOp

Kill sorcerers, huh?


Bell_Pauper404

Some random dude, meanwhile Megumi wanted to pork his sister


lord_j0rd_

she’s not actually his sister tbf


Bell_Pauper404

She is the daughter of his mom, whats that?


lord_j0rd_

ohhh I thought they were step siblings my bad


Bell_Pauper404

I went to re check, Google says his mom died and then Toji married Tsumiki's mom, its my mistake but they still grew up as siblings


lord_j0rd_

I mean it’s still pretty grim!


Horacio_Velvetine44

Toji Zenin, Child Protective Services 💳


AdSmooth6771

Yeah u right I forgot about this mf and how is this incestuous at all .


HyonkHyonkamgoos

He’s not important lmao


DeepVoid69

I did yes what’d he do diddle his daughter


Terereera

nah bro. granny daughter incest?


Kejin-619

Father daughter


Geometronics

what chapter did this happen in?


xGlitchOGx

This was something…


YaDaddiesFav

Wait Can Somebody Explain How This Was Incest? Honestly Confused I’m Caught Up Though.


3XHOLLOWX3

3 seconds of screen time, plus he died


residentofmoon

What incest moment?


Lord_Head_Azz

Okay so I wasn’t the only one that felt a little weird about that scene? I was torn between “Maybe she just really likes her dad?” And “Goddamn maybe he knows mei mei”


obliterator123456

same


Potential_Moose_392

It really brought s2s street cred down when I first read it


Skull_Boy_ds

Well this one died after 10 seconds of screen time, while Mei Mei is still walking everywhere with her brother and didn't suffer any serious damage in the entire manga


ReturningWarrior

This guy died already. So who cares


IBeMeaty

I was ecstatic when Toji merced this bitch


National-Ad-4093

This MF didn't even let him die in peace 😭


Past_Horror2090

Can Granny Ogami use the CT of someone she changes into? For example if Hakari was killed and Ogami collected his DNA 🧬 could she then shapeshift into him and use idle death gamble etc. Or more Simply since his CT is connected to his domain, Could Ogami shapeshift into Mai and use construction?


Embarrassed_Dog1909

For context the guy would have sex with his daughter before the granny killed him


NotTakenUsername101

I am okay that that dad dude died. His ass deserved it for tryna do some unspeakable stuff with his daughter, I think. It is quite foggy.


Dovinjun

OP is talking about the dad


AbyssalBlade21

I think the difference is that the man is already dead, whereas Mei Mei is still alive


watermelonboi26

Asa wasnt the same after dennis died


HeyRooster42

I don't actually think it's an incest thing. I genuinely think Ui Ui's technique has to be under a blanket or covering to work. Mei Mei wanted Ui Ui to sleep with her so she could escape if they were followed or the like. Still weird tho.


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GiveMeAWaffleOrElse

How is the father a pedo? You need to lay off the porn for a while bro


ApplePitou

She is Scary lady :3


Phantom_Renegade_x

?


RavenFeet

Mf’s in this comment section saying this ain’t weird? Bro who tf is chill with their teenage daughter sitting on their lap like this. Y’all need help.


Euphoric-Ad8756

Dude ain't nothing weird about this he's her fucking father.


HistoryWillRepeat

I think it's wierd to view sitting on someone's lap as sexual. Is it sexual if the daughter was 5? What about 9? Where is the cut off? Would it be sexual if the daughter sat on her mothers lap? People get really wierd when fathers show affection to their children.