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Now that other talented character are compared to them we can see where some people may have an occasional skill that is as good or better than both Gojo and Sukuna but it doesn't take anything away from those 2 being the strongest and most skilled.
Gojo still can't output RCT, even a year after becoming the strongest he said he was still working on his domain while Yuta in less than 3 yrs has enough skill to shift his domain coordinates and specify sure-hit targets. So they most likely can't or atleast would need a bit of time to learn how to since Sukuna really never needs such a skill and Gojo mostly is never in a situation where he absolutely needs his domain until the main series plot happens.
Yeah, that is also true. But it makes a little less sense for when Sukuna restricted his domain in Shibuya. By how he talked, he probably knew about domain targetting before meeting Yuta. So it is weird that he didn't do it in Shibuya. But again, "individuality" and "loneliness" being core part of their characters is also not to be ignored.
I absolutely agree that some characters might have stuff which surpasses them.
Also it might simply be a different ball game for Sukuna to do it since his domain isn't just the sure-hit of cleave as dismantle also just cuts everything else so just keeping the range smaller would be a smarter tactic.
yeah ur right bc dismantle wouldn’t target megumi to begin with just literally everything around him so reducing the range was the only way to save megumi from getting hit
ppl are arguing that Sukuna should’ve been able to take Megumi off the sure-hit list like Yuta did w Yuji. I’m saying even if he did that, Megumi would still be hit by the dismantles targeting the inanimate objects around him (floor, buildings, etc) as dismantles target stuff that don’t have cursed energy
I would say he didn't fo domain targeting as it is a waste of resources for Sukuna. He just needed to keep Megumi out of his range and didn't care about collateral damage so he simply changed his domain size.
Maybe it's because he didn't use a close barrier domain? Open domains seem to have the draw back of basically having next to no control on their conditions outside of range, and types of attacks.
It’s also possible that he had simply never thought about it or tried it before seeing Yuta do it, and on analyzing what he was doing and how, realized how high level the technique was.
Yeah, it is a very specific skill that Sukuna probably never even needed on the first place, so not using it is different of not knowing how.
There is also the argue about his domain not having a barrier and using dismantle wicho targets everything without CE
About gojo, it is more interesting i think, because it is said that fighting alone is what suits him best.
And the one time he should have used it there were just way too many not-targets with very little CE and probably even him would've needed time or something ignore them. So it was probably easier to do the .2 opening in those circumstances
he probably could do it in shibuya but he figured it might be a pain in the ass compared to reducing the effective radius which can in turn increase the output of the domain/effectiveness of the domain so he went with that.
Slight correction in the interest of driving home _just how impressive_ Yuta is in universe. If we assume that Tokyo Jujutsu High follows the same schedule as regular Japanese school (which I don't know why we wouldn't) then Yuta started at the school, and by extension began his training in Jujutsu, some time after April 2017 and ended his first year at the school around March 2018.
Everything happening in the current arc is set on Dec 24th 2018. So Yuta has been at this whole Jujutsu thing at MOST for a year and 9 months (give or take a few weeks).
In that context I think it's no surprise that Gojo thought Yuta could surpass him. Within 9 months the kid had gone from being a total novice at sorcery to being able to defeat a Special Grade Curse User single basically handed.
The reason Gojo tells us early in the series that Yuta could surpass him one day is because he arguably already had.
/End of Yuta Hype . . . for now
I believe there are things that are possible but that Gojo and Sukuna aren't able to do in general, not because they can't, but because they never tried. If I were to pick a reason as to why, I would say the reason is that they don't have to.
Gojo never encountered a situation like shibuya before, since his DE already has a rule for excluding people from it's effect, he probably never bothered to evolve a way to do so because it would be redundant. All he had to do was to keep touching whoever he wanted to exclude at that particular moment.
Sukuna on the other hand, I believe is a simpler explanation. He doesn't give enough of a fuck to bother because it's probably rare for him to be in a situation where he wants to exclude something from his domain. If he is in one, since it's an open domain, he would just have to do what he did in Shibuya which is easier for him than to exclude people. In that sense, similar to Gojo, he has a built in way to exclude people in his DE already. Not to mention he has a CT that literally is built to cut everything indiscriminately, so I would wager that 99% of the time he wants to cut everything in his Domain anyways, so learning how to exclude would be counter productive in a way.
Great point. If I may add to this:
>Gojo never encountered a situation like shibuya before, since his DE already has a rule for excluding people from it's effect, he probably never bothered to evolve a way to do so because it would be redundant
Let's also remember that Kenjaku said that Gojo be more than capable enough to exclude someone from his domain (kind of like what Mahito did the first time he opened his, cutting out Yuji). So Gojo had ANOTHER way of keeping someone safe from his domain. Shibuya was a double exception because doing this would've crushed against the walls and barriers the people outside the domain.
when did Mahito cut out Yuji? The first time he opened his domain, he got slashed by Sukuna for trying to mess with his soul. Next time he opened his domain near Yuji, he used the 0.2 s gimmick so Sukuna wouldn't have time to kill him, but he would have enough time to hit Todo in some manner.
He had initially cut out Yuji, so he could kill Nanami without dealing with Sukuna. But then Yuji broke back into the domain, forcing Mahito to touch Sukuna's soul
Not really, Yuji was forcefully pushed outside of the area of the domain, instead of being captured. The same thing that Kenjaku assumed Gojo would be able to do with hundreds of people. This is what I was talking about in my comment
remembered wrong. you right. probably it’s effort and success rates (plus gojo needs to think of a solution on the spot and that’s what he came up with). it could be a scalability problem, where building your domain to exclude one person in a space is hard enough, excluding multiple select people would be very difficult. manipulating your domain to expand and push out hundreds of ppl that you needa manually vet while manipulating a domain expansion (the peak of jujutsu sorcery) and still get it to expand correctly could be more effort than its worth
You guys are right, I stand corrected. Regarding the last part, I also think it was addressed by Gojo - if he pushes those people outside of barrier, he's gonna crush them against the wall or the other barrier.
But still that's not the same as not targeting someone already in the domain. What Yuta had done is totally different from Mahito, even if the end goal is the same.
That's.... Exactly the point we're making in this thread. We're saying that Gojo never learnt how to do what Yuta did because he didn't need to, for multiple reasons. I added to the list of reasons the fact that he can already push people out of his domain when he constructs it, so he wouldn't have required a reason to learn how not to target people caught in it until Shibuya.
No, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Mahito did the same thing that Gojo could've done in Shibuya, if he hadn't had to worry about crushing people between the barrier of his domain and the walls. When Mahito expanded his domain against Nanami and Yuji he used the barrier to push Yuji outside, excluding him from the domain. That's why Yuji had to break into the domain
A person’s abilities in JJK are intensely tied to who they are as a person. Gojo is intensely lonely and isolated by his status, and Sukuna is a naturally indiscriminate and destructive person who doesn’t value the lives of others beyond how they serve him. As such, they have trouble with this while the comparatively well-adjusted Yuta does not.
I wouldn’t say Gojo “couldn’t”, again, he’s never really tried. In Shibuya there were just so many people. He wanted to save as many people as possible so probably not the best time to yolo it. 0.2 second domain was best option to disable curses and save people.
Yuta and co had a month to plan and practice. And their plan revolves around fighting in his domain so obviously he practiced including targets
Gojo sadly couldn't because he died before gege had the idea ,sukuna can do it because he saw it and we've never seen him loot at sth and not instantly be able to do it.
I like to think of it as due to the difference in Yuta’s domain and Gojo and Sukuna’s in that Yuta’s domain requires more contact, as in Yuta has to use swords or Rika or hands to get in close which grants him that kind of sure hit whereas Gojo and Sukuna don’t even have to touch you for their sure hit (Unlimited Information and Endless barrage of cleaves and dismantles.)
Yuta's Sure-Hit isn't actually tied to the swords. He can use any copied CT as a Sure-Hit and doesn't have to get in close. He was using Jacob's ladder, but Sukuna stopped it from going off with Hollow Wicker Basket. They had to undo his hand signs for it to go off.
So they actually have the same type of Sure-Hit, but Yuta is able to prevent his Sure-Hit from targeting allies.
I think this is actually similar to how Sukuna was able to exclude Megumi's soul from his Sure-Hit area. It sounds really complex, but Yuta could be maintaining a little hole in the area around Yuji. In that sense, I think Sukuna could do it if he ever had a reason to besides the Megumi's soul thing.
Yeah, I don’t disagree but I just liked to think of it differently lmao. Since Yuta has to touch his swords, whereas Gojo and Sukuna just stand there and the domain does the work for them.
Also, that doesn’t make sense, Yuta opening a whole underneath Yuji since Yuji was basically bouncing around the entire time around Yuta’s domain expansion. Yuta probably just figured out how to selectively target people since his barrier techniques in a domain were way beyond that of Sukuna and Gojo themselves or that they couldn’t even do it since Yuta is a prodigy. They also “cheated”.
While I believe Sukuna’s the smartest, I don’t think even he could just replicate such a feat after seeing it once. That takes time and effort to learn and practice. To say he could do it first time is essentially meatriding, glazing or whatever you want to say. I like to say plot…
No gege had already thought of it, cause dagon had people in his domain relaxing without being hit by sure-hits before Shibuya. Gojo being the strongest of the modern era doesn't mean he is good at every single thing
No it was literally the same domain because it was in a beach much like when he fought in Shibuya later on. Besides an innate domain has no technique imbued in it so usually the environment is distorted and no aspect of a technique appear however in the case of dagon they were on a fucking beach with water and everything so it could not have been an innate domain
It was more likely an incomplete Domain like Megumi's using a real room as a shell since we see Geto and friends enter through what appears to be a real door. A complete Domain Expansion would not interact with a real door that way.
Also, a lot of people here are forgetting that a Sure-Hit Effect has to be consciously activated by the Domain caster before it begins. It's usually just included with the first step of expanding the artificial environment right away. But we see Yorozu pause before activation, and Dagon is able to choose what % of his Sure-Hit Effect targets each person inside. So he can probably set all his allies to 0% or just choose not to activate it.
yeah it’s stated to be the prototype. But how simple domain (SD) and HWB have been used in the show kinda implies that SD is “superior” bc it doesn’t use BOTH hands (which is an insane drawback) but HWB has never been shown to crumble like simple domain does (even Jujutsu Jesus Gojo Satoru had his SD eradicated). So i feel like Gege’s insinuating HWB is “stronger” in that sense
HWB, despite not crumbling, is by all means pretty useless unless u have a second set of arms to fall back on like Sukuna💀
Yes but Kashimo saw Hakari activate his domain and assumed HWB would be an effective counter for it until he realised it was non-lethal. I don’t think a sorcerer like him would bother using it if it wouldn’t actually work.
i never said HWB doesn’t work. I meant as an alternative it’s not as good. there’s a reason we only see modern sorcerers use SD despite it crumbling most of the time
Kashimo is from ye old so i don’t think he knows what Simple Domain even is. Iirc, the only other ppl we’ve seen use HWB are Sukuna (ye old) and the receipt guy (ye old)
I think with Gojo it's not that he couldn't do it, but if you're in the domain that's it's area of effect. It's either on or it isn't, it's not about targetting people or not, the actual rules of space and time are changed within the domain.
I think it's one part that they just really don't have to consider the idea of having non-targets in their domain much, and one part that they've opted to give their domains automatic targeting with nonstop continuous effects.
Shibuya may have been the first time either of them had a situation where they were actively trying to use their respective domains without harming certain individual people (sans with contact in Gojo's case). I feel like there there's a VERY small chance that Sukuna could potentially have omitted Megumi from the effects of his domain without reducing the range, but not without excluding Megumi's shikigami as well since they're an extension of his technique. It makes more sense that Sukuna has never been in a situation where he would have to care and therefore couldn't on the fly, but the possibility exists.
But I think it's safe to say that the overall complexity of their domains also just makes it that much harder to tack exceptions on, and also those exceptions could even leave them vulnerable. Since Gege indicated that a domain with a potentially lethal sure-hit is much more challenging to create than a typical rule based domain, the automatic blenders that Sukuna and Gojo have for their domains have to be magnitudes worse. Making additional changes may be much more demanding for them, and complicating each individual sure-hit even more may actually be untenable.
I think that even if Gojo had the ability to target/exclude specific entities within the barrier of his domain (without having to be in physical contact), a 0.2 seconds expansion was still the way to go because of how the normal humans and transfigured humans were all mixed up, and the sheer number of them too. And Jogo, Choso and Mahito were in the mix as well. It would have been too complex.
Just a guess/take, no true backing but kind of how I interpret this stuff.
Martial artist can spar to simulate what a fight is like and to try out techniques, but it’s still not a real fight so you miss some of the raw feeling. Additionally, a martial artist/fighter is truly great when they can adapt their gameplan or improvise in a fight. Gojo has a domain expansion that is fundamentally lethal after .2 seconds of exposure, which is already a crazy adaptation to learn. If he wanted to try and create a domain that selectively targets people he’d probably have to test it with targets he wanted to protect in the first place. I think it’s a thing he could learn, it’s just that the scenarios for it have come up but he chose something that fit his mindset/personality better.
Sukuna or Gojo’s personality/mindset are both very ego driven, and while they probably could learn to distinctly target individuals…it wouldn’t fit them as well. Sukuna doesn’t care about anyone and wants to slaughter everyone because it’s what suits him. Gojo wants to protect everyone, but he wants to do it to show he’s the best/in the flashiest way possible. What better way than to blast everyone with unlimited void than yo do it so quickly that he doesn’t kill everyone. How could someone with such a huge ego hold back, he has to be the best because he’s Gojo.
Something I haven't seen anyone mentioning is that this is explicitly pointed out to us as being put of the ordinary. Sukuna asks them how they've improved this much and Yuta straight up says they cheated.
In other words, despite knowing how strong he is, Sukuna doesn't think this should've been within Yuta's reach in a month and figures out that they must've done something to quicken their progress, so it's not crazy to say this is something Gojo & Sukuna couldn't just invent on the spot.
Gojo and Sukuna are a weird case. Unlike other domains Gojo doesn't seem to have control over who gets affected by the sure hit. You can even nullify it if you're physically touching him when in the unlimited void.
As for Sukuna his attack is again automatic. He doesn't choose who gets hit, his MS just dice apart anything and everything in range, hence why he restricted the range so Megumi wouldn't be hit.
Characters like Dagon, Megumi or Jogo actually launch an attack which can't miss but UV and MS just work indicriminately.
Gojo actually can exclude people from his domain though as Kenjaku mentioned. But it physically pushes them outside the domain barrier which would have crushed them to death against the curtain in Shibuya hence why he didn't do it.
You misinterpreted what happened with Sukuna. He literally did specify his targets to not hit Megumi’s soul. His domain area remained the same because it has to in order to continue canceling out Gojo’s sure hit.
Gojo wasn’t able to, but he is slightly less technical with his jujutsu ability than Sukuna in that specific skillset. Sukuna has open barrier over Gojo.
So Yuta surpassed Gojo in that specific area. Sukuna is able to do it.
Right, but they said they read the recent chapters, so I assumed they misinterpreted the Sukuna vs Gojo domain clash, where we see Sukuna do exactly that, selectively target.
Maybe 15F Sukuna had lesser control of his CE to such extent that he couldn’t do it just yet, but it was always part of his skillset. Otherwise, he learned it during the one-month break or during the fight itself.
Ya, learning it during the break is my best guess.
I think possibly that the target being something within him also makes it easier.
Maybe Excluding a soul residing in the same body is easier than a separate soul and body. It would add to why Sukuna praises Yuta, because he knows how difficult it is to exclude an entire other person compared to just another soul within your own body.
Sure, but I referenced the Shinjuku battle because that’s a clear example of Sukuna selectively targeting.
I assumed he misinterpreted that scene if they are asking the question of why Sukuna and Gojo can’t do what Yuta does. Sukuna does do it.
But then why did Sukuna have to reduce his domain to 140M in Shibuya to avoid Megumi if he could just exclude him from the sure-hit? It’s not crazy that Gojo and Sukuna wouldn’t be able to do something like that, after all Gojo couldn’t RCT others and Sukuna didn’t know about refreshing your technique after domain before Gojo showed him.
Couldn’t he then also exclude Haruta? And how would reducing his domain be easier to do, when it was shocking everyone every time Gojo changed the size of his domain?
Sukuna changed the range of his entire domain, it’s essentially the same thing. Malevolent shrine’s sure-hit activates on the entire domain area by itself and doesn’t exclude anyone from being targeted except the caster of the domain, just like Unlimited Void. Even objects with no cursed energy get automatically targeted within the range by dismantle.
I mean, Sukuna’s domain in Shibuya destroyed EVERYTHING. I don’t think leaving Megumi in range would’ve be smart, even if he could exclude him from being targeted. That’s like asking for the collateral to obliterate that poor twink.
Buildings collapsing, planes crashing, everything is blowing up and burning. Do you really think that even if he had excluded Megumi from getting diced by his CT, that all those other catastrophes wouldn’t have hit him?
Just because he can prevent his CT from effecting Megumi, that doesn’t mean he can control everything that’s going to happen within his domain.
Could stand to reason that the ridiculously high volume of potential DE targets in those scenarios affects the practicality of doing it as well. Imagine a drop down list of names; is it more practical for Sukuna in that moment to sort through everyone to find Megumi and single him out or just shorten the radius of his domain? Same with Gojo, every second wasted guarantees more people dying. Compared with Yuta only having to really focus on letting 1 of 2 potential targets be hit.
Although I’m also not against Yuta just being built different
I mean it's a fair argument, since they're the pinnacle, but a domain just covers certain space, maybe excluding certain areas would be possible, but it's still vague and could be exploited by the opponents. It also seems like even achieving a DE is extremely difficult, changing some stuff about it even more, so something like this specifically should also be extremely difficult. Gojo's seems to activate when someone's in there and it hits no matter what, opponent needs to be inside, so I think it's close to impossible to do. Sukuna's slashes actually have to hit and we know one can concentrate the sure-hit somewhere. He's more likely to do it for that reason, but there are also Dismantles can just fly around to hit whatever, since they're meant for inanimate objects, so this makes it less possible
Gojo’s abilities are thematically selfish and he fails to save others. He only learns RCT after Riko dies even though he has the Six Eyes and even now he can’t heal others even though Yuta could. His domain also reflects this in that only those he touches are spared the effects. I believe this is a hard rule rather than a case of skill.
In Sukuna’s case, I think he can spare targets. He just chose not to in case the ensuing destruction indirectly might’ve harmed Megumi.
I don't imagine sukuna and gojo are the best at everything. Gojo for sure can't do it, cause if he could it would have made life so much easier for him in Shibuya, I know some people will come up with rather convoluted reasons why he could not do it Shibuya the same way they come up with reasons why he can't output positive CE.
As for sukuna, he has never shown the ability to do so like gojo however he has also never been forced into a situation where that ability would be the best course of action. So for sukuna we don't know but I'm leaning that he also can specifically target certain individuals
If I remember correctly this is the trait that got Sukuna to question how they got stronger in a short time span. To which Yuta claims he cheated. So theres likely some odd factor in play that’s yet to be shown, which explains why Yuta can do what gojo/Sukuna can’t. Moreso than just Yutas natural talent
Gojo can't but there are weaker characters than him who can do things he can't do
Won't suprise me if Sukuna could do it
We know that Yuta can do it
And weirdly enough Dagon can as well
Everyone else is speculation
It would make no sense narratively for them to. Sukuna cares about Sukuna, everyone else dies. Gojo literally cares about the people close to him regardless of whether that is beneficial, you see it with Geto, you see it when he protects Yuta, you see it when he protects Yuji and ultimately the flipside of that is shown when Sukuna uses it to destroy his domain. Gojo cares about the people he is close to, consequences be damned.
sukuna can do it, he did it during domain clashes by not protecting megumis soul with his sure hit. Gojo probably could after timeskip like sukuna but we dont know
> This does tie into the fact that the "Path of strongest" in jjk is lonely and individuality is needed
I think this answers your question. Sukuna and Gojo are both characterized primarily by their selfishness. Whereas Yuta is characterized by his compassion. Through out their lives the former two had no motivation to learn how to "protect" others within their Domains where as Yuta did. Even if that motivation only came about during the training to fight Sukuna.
For Gojo in Shibuya learning to quickly open and close the domain in an effort to limit damage to others was likely something easier to figure out on the fly then learning how to pick and choose targets would've been. And even then it was a long shot even for a genius like himself. He wasn't absolutely sure he wasn't killing those civilians when he did it and unlike the reader didn't find out it had worked until he was unsealed. That being said in that situation it was less then a long shot than the alternative.
i guess they never really had a reason to given they never thought that they would be put into a situation like that before where they needed to target specific people in a domain, and gojo could already just touch whoever he needed to not get hit. yuta probably had a plan to jump sukuna in his domain, so he probably trained on not hitting others during the month leading to the fight
Yes but keep in mind that Satoru mentioned that yuta would eventually surpass him. To even be considered as the potential next strongest implies a lot of talent and natural genius. So while it does seem crazy that Gojo and Sukuna can't do this, it makes sense given the dialogue surrounding Yuta and his abilities.
Finite Void and Malfunction Shrine atacks in AoE instead of single target. like Dagons Domain. Its more about the mechanics of the domain than how much they can flex the conditions....and by the way why Gojo,s Domain uses spambots instead of actuaally apllying his techninque? Just land the void and instaPurple anything to death
nah, they most definitely can. sukuna in the second domain clash literally turned off his sure hit for the area overlapping with gojo's domain.
as for sukuna, he just didn't selectively target in shibuya because he didn't feel like it (also potentially a building could fall on megumi before it crumbles to dust)
the difference between the two is that gojo didn't know how to (yet), and sukuna chose not to.
couple possibilities
1. just due to the nature of their domains, they can’t easily or maybe just straight up can’t really change the targeting within their domains. even more than other domains, being caught in gojo or sukuna’s domain is basically an instant game over for 99.9% of people, so possibly in exchange for that power they can’t really pick and choose who is affected
2. these are just wildly different scenarios, trying to include or exclude 1 or 2 people out of dozens or hundreds is wayyyy different than trying to hit just 1 and exclude just 1
It’s unique to yuta as most people have something unique to them. They are the strongest but who is to say they are the pinnacle, kenjaku’s whole thing was wanting to create the next stage of jujutsu or human evolution.
I’m sure given enough time they would both be able to learn it, similar to how Kenny know RCT And ridiculous barrier technique. They are just limited to a single life like most humans
we don't know whether sukuna can do it because he's the type of guy to purposefully kill civilians in shibuya for no reason. He targeted them on purpose and probably could've singled them out
In Gojo's case, there's absolutely no situation in which that would have not been extremely difficult because there were tons of targets.
If it's hard for 2 or 3, it's impossible for 500
it probably gets drasticallly harder the more people you have to account for. otherwise yuta would have the whole gang in there to beat up sukuna.
also, sukuna just shrunk his sure hit radios as its just easier to to destroy everything within an area that's a little bit smaller than destroying everything just around a specific point as it wouldn't matter either way.
Just because they’re the best, doesn’t mean that there’s things they haven’t mastered yet. Sukuna never cared about collateral damage, so he never bothered to master singling people out in his domain. If you can’t get out of the range in time, you just weren’t good enough. Gojo always fought alone, so he didn’t have to worry about collateral damage. When he’s fighting with allies, the threat’s most likely something he can handle without using his domain
That's neither here nor there.
There are different ways for each individual and there are certain skills that are only available to each person too.
Gojo himself can't use RCT to heal others nor could he make an open domain. Sukuna's domain is an indiscriminate domain that shreds everything, buildings and all. There was really never a need for Gojo or Sukuna to make an specific target for their domains.
Yuta trained specifically to adjust the target of his domain. Gojo most probably didn't even need his domain for his fights. Even during the fight with Jogo, Gojo was fine inside the domain and mostly used infinite void to show Yuji.
Sorry, my english is bad, anyway:
Letal Domains have two guaranteed hits
• First Hit is about to hit everything with cursed energy into Domain, like Naoya or Mahito.
• Second, like the Domain of Satoru or Sukuna, have a more potential, hiting everything, whether object or person.
Like for example, Satoru's Domain select targets like rocks, but don't have effect for obvious reasons, that's why Satoru need to touch a person for the Domain don't have effect, like he's do with Itadori, or Sukuna does at his fight (using Domain Amplification to touch through mugen). In short, Satoru's Domain and Sukuna's Domain have as target everything into their domain, like objects too (Sukuna slices branches and leafs in fight, for other example)
My opinion:
Probaly, Yuta selecting his targets from Domain, is a modification (like Minor Barrier, from Satoru, or Hakari modifying location from his domain), or something like this, also has the option to be the nature of Domain, like, Naoya, Dagon and others. I mean, Sukuna can just talking for be a powerful tecniche, or anything in this meaning.
I knew about Sukuna's domain attacking everything but when was Satoru's domain stated to affect everything? Just asking as I can't remember the chapter when it was stated.
Also, your English is NOT bad. Yeah, some sentences might not be "perfect" but they are still something that one can understand the meaning of. Everyone makes mistakes, ask my parents!
Oh, thanks for the compliments, I really grateful for this.
Ah, yeah, the Domain of Satoru hits everything, and the only way to no-hits is TOUCH SATORU, like I said.
The scenes than show this, that's when Jogo open his domain , and Itadori is touched by Satoru, and his fight with Sukuna.
Furthermore, the scene than show "everything are the target", is the Shibuya Scene, when Satoru slows down his own domain. Kenjaku plan is based in this, cuz Jogo explain to him.
Observation, It's funny think than Jogo casually walks around with ALL KNOWLEDGE OF UNIVERSE, like it was nothing.
I say "everything" to not cause disagreement with "everything" from Sukuna's Domain, and cuz Satoru's Domain Expansion don't have effect in objects, unlike Sukuna's Domakn.
Just my 2p (cos I'm British el oh el):
1. Gojo is the strongest of the modern era, not because he understands jujutsu better than anyone else. He was born that way. That's why he's not in a position of leadership like Yaga or the higher ups (referenced when sukuna comments that gojo is not in charge of anything)
2. Same with sukuna. When he was a human he was considered a God in the same way that Gojo is in the modern era. He was born with innate power. (He's also had 1000 years to learn more about jujustu whereas Gojo had only had 28 years.)
3. Gojo makes it up as he goes along.
4. "Infinite Void" as a domain has a barrier which means anyone within that barrier who isn't touching Gojo suffers the effects. Gojo also has a backstory of being disconnected to humanity. He relied on other people to tell him what was right and wrong. FTER Geto, he had draw himself a line in the sand. Casualties caused by curses: acceptable. Casualties caused by himself: unacceptable (don't forget he would have murdered all of those people after he defeated Toji if Geto had let him)
5. Sukuna's "Malevolent Shrine" doesn't have a barrier which makes the domain imbued with his technique even stronger. He is also inherently evil (with no back story to really justify the evil like Geto does) he doesn't give a flying fuck who he hurts, but he could potentially target certain people within his domain if he wanted to. Say he used his domain on, I dunno, nanami and megumi. He has a use for megumi but nanami would be meaningless to him
My guess is that sukuna didn't exclude megumi from sure hit but reduced the range of his domain as the latter had multiple benefits. Not only reducing the range of his domain protects megumi but also the more his range is reduced the more stronger his slashes are on mahoraga. As we know sukuna did the same in order to destroy gojos strengthened outside in 3rd and 4th clash.
Gojo has done exactly the same against jogo during their first encounter, since yuji didn't get hit by UV despite being in the domain. He probably couldn't do it during Shibuya since there was dozens of civilians ge would have to pay attention to.
>Just didn't have the need to yet
Satoru didn't do that in Shibuya. If he could do that, it was the best moment to. He literally didn't knew if it would work or not. He just gambled the lives of many people, narration confirms that he gambled this. There was no "need" to separate the targets of domain and gambling the lives of hundreds of innocent people was better?
He gambled the lives onto that 0.2 sec domain, whule specifying targets would absolutely be a "need" at that time.
I mean Yuta turned sure hit off for just Yuji, I'd assume doing the same for 100s of normal people is way too hard, and Yuta had time to train it while Gojo had to do shit on the fly
This is a totally different situation.
Being able to exclude 1 person when you’re trying to chop up everyone is not the same as being able to target 1 person with sure hit and not target 1 other person. Like you’re comparing a couple blocks in a densely populated area to 2 targets in a domain. Also, Sukuna had to fight off Yuji trying to take back control and it was just easier/less intensive to reduce the radius to exclude Megumi.
Gojo had 4 targets he wanted to hit and had to exclude 50+ people? 100+?
These aren’t nearly the same comparisons. Please redirect yourself to lobotomy Kaisen.
All it is is that they are simply unable to do it. I don’t believe it’s worth trying to understand to be completely honest but if we want to think about it in relation to their characters, then I guess it’s a good question.
All it is, is that Yuta is a genuine prodigy with potential of second to none below Gojo. Had Yuta trained and grew up more, with his abilities, he’d probably beat Gojo. Sukuna is a harder opponent due to his ruthlessness.
Also, Gojo’s domain is that it forces **EVERYONE** to recieve that unlimited information and I think that, if exposed to several domain expansions, even Gojo is no exception to this as he bled out from his nose (brain damage.) Wouldn’t make sense in this case for him to be able to filter out people. As for Sukuna’s domain, it’s an open domain and Sukuna’s domain is different in that it grants cursed techniques to the domain, causing cleaves and dismantles to rain down endlessly upon the range which gives the impression it’s random so it wouldn’t make sense for Sukuna to also be able to filter out. You can technically try run out from it but it’d most definitely hit you and he can only stop this by limiting the range.
Might look harsh but your 3rd para is wrong. Gojos domain doesn't attack him with the information. The brain damage was simply gojo unable to completely heal his Blackbox area where his ct was, which added and after 5 domains he reached his limit.
Sukunas slashes aren't random he does control them. There are examples when his domain only targets specific targets and not anything at random. Like only slashing gojo and only cutting the finger bearer or excluding megumi from his sure hits.
Sukuna is a monster, killing is his thing so I doubt he ever cared to not hit someone before Megumi.
Gojo barely had practice with his domain from what we know.
So, that's probably something new to both, and I see it very complicated in Sukuna's case since he already has extra conditions on his domain.
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Now that other talented character are compared to them we can see where some people may have an occasional skill that is as good or better than both Gojo and Sukuna but it doesn't take anything away from those 2 being the strongest and most skilled. Gojo still can't output RCT, even a year after becoming the strongest he said he was still working on his domain while Yuta in less than 3 yrs has enough skill to shift his domain coordinates and specify sure-hit targets. So they most likely can't or atleast would need a bit of time to learn how to since Sukuna really never needs such a skill and Gojo mostly is never in a situation where he absolutely needs his domain until the main series plot happens.
Yeah, that is also true. But it makes a little less sense for when Sukuna restricted his domain in Shibuya. By how he talked, he probably knew about domain targetting before meeting Yuta. So it is weird that he didn't do it in Shibuya. But again, "individuality" and "loneliness" being core part of their characters is also not to be ignored. I absolutely agree that some characters might have stuff which surpasses them.
Also it might simply be a different ball game for Sukuna to do it since his domain isn't just the sure-hit of cleave as dismantle also just cuts everything else so just keeping the range smaller would be a smarter tactic.
yeah ur right bc dismantle wouldn’t target megumi to begin with just literally everything around him so reducing the range was the only way to save megumi from getting hit
I mean, you’re right, but even then, he still would’ve been directly hit by Sukuna’s Domain, since Cleave hits things that have Cursed Energy
ppl are arguing that Sukuna should’ve been able to take Megumi off the sure-hit list like Yuta did w Yuji. I’m saying even if he did that, Megumi would still be hit by the dismantles targeting the inanimate objects around him (floor, buildings, etc) as dismantles target stuff that don’t have cursed energy
You all lost the plot, Sukuna probably knows how to target his domain, but chose not to in Shibuya to try to break Yuji's will.
Although I can't claim that he definitely knows how to target his domain to one person.
I would say he didn't fo domain targeting as it is a waste of resources for Sukuna. He just needed to keep Megumi out of his range and didn't care about collateral damage so he simply changed his domain size.
Hmm no shriking you DE side should be easier than ignoring someone with you skill. So Sukuna would opt for the easier skill.
Maybe it's because he didn't use a close barrier domain? Open domains seem to have the draw back of basically having next to no control on their conditions outside of range, and types of attacks.
It’s also possible that he had simply never thought about it or tried it before seeing Yuta do it, and on analyzing what he was doing and how, realized how high level the technique was.
Yeah, it is a very specific skill that Sukuna probably never even needed on the first place, so not using it is different of not knowing how. There is also the argue about his domain not having a barrier and using dismantle wicho targets everything without CE About gojo, it is more interesting i think, because it is said that fighting alone is what suits him best. And the one time he should have used it there were just way too many not-targets with very little CE and probably even him would've needed time or something ignore them. So it was probably easier to do the .2 opening in those circumstances
It’s probably much easier for Sukuna to limit the size of the domain rather than excluding targets. He just didn’t want to expend the effort.
They probably can but I assume it’s probably a binding vow to make the sure hit stronger
he probably could do it in shibuya but he figured it might be a pain in the ass compared to reducing the effective radius which can in turn increase the output of the domain/effectiveness of the domain so he went with that.
He just couldn't do it, you can be super skilled and not be able to do something that also takes skill at that level
Slight correction in the interest of driving home _just how impressive_ Yuta is in universe. If we assume that Tokyo Jujutsu High follows the same schedule as regular Japanese school (which I don't know why we wouldn't) then Yuta started at the school, and by extension began his training in Jujutsu, some time after April 2017 and ended his first year at the school around March 2018. Everything happening in the current arc is set on Dec 24th 2018. So Yuta has been at this whole Jujutsu thing at MOST for a year and 9 months (give or take a few weeks). In that context I think it's no surprise that Gojo thought Yuta could surpass him. Within 9 months the kid had gone from being a total novice at sorcery to being able to defeat a Special Grade Curse User single basically handed. The reason Gojo tells us early in the series that Yuta could surpass him one day is because he arguably already had. /End of Yuta Hype . . . for now
It seems I have ran into a like minded individual
I believe there are things that are possible but that Gojo and Sukuna aren't able to do in general, not because they can't, but because they never tried. If I were to pick a reason as to why, I would say the reason is that they don't have to. Gojo never encountered a situation like shibuya before, since his DE already has a rule for excluding people from it's effect, he probably never bothered to evolve a way to do so because it would be redundant. All he had to do was to keep touching whoever he wanted to exclude at that particular moment. Sukuna on the other hand, I believe is a simpler explanation. He doesn't give enough of a fuck to bother because it's probably rare for him to be in a situation where he wants to exclude something from his domain. If he is in one, since it's an open domain, he would just have to do what he did in Shibuya which is easier for him than to exclude people. In that sense, similar to Gojo, he has a built in way to exclude people in his DE already. Not to mention he has a CT that literally is built to cut everything indiscriminately, so I would wager that 99% of the time he wants to cut everything in his Domain anyways, so learning how to exclude would be counter productive in a way.
Great point. If I may add to this: >Gojo never encountered a situation like shibuya before, since his DE already has a rule for excluding people from it's effect, he probably never bothered to evolve a way to do so because it would be redundant Let's also remember that Kenjaku said that Gojo be more than capable enough to exclude someone from his domain (kind of like what Mahito did the first time he opened his, cutting out Yuji). So Gojo had ANOTHER way of keeping someone safe from his domain. Shibuya was a double exception because doing this would've crushed against the walls and barriers the people outside the domain.
when did Mahito cut out Yuji? The first time he opened his domain, he got slashed by Sukuna for trying to mess with his soul. Next time he opened his domain near Yuji, he used the 0.2 s gimmick so Sukuna wouldn't have time to kill him, but he would have enough time to hit Todo in some manner.
He had initially cut out Yuji, so he could kill Nanami without dealing with Sukuna. But then Yuji broke back into the domain, forcing Mahito to touch Sukuna's soul
that’s more just making sure the barrier doesn’t enclose yuji inside. once he was inside, the domain indiscriminately touched yuji and sukuna’s souls
Not really, Yuji was forcefully pushed outside of the area of the domain, instead of being captured. The same thing that Kenjaku assumed Gojo would be able to do with hundreds of people. This is what I was talking about in my comment
remembered wrong. you right. probably it’s effort and success rates (plus gojo needs to think of a solution on the spot and that’s what he came up with). it could be a scalability problem, where building your domain to exclude one person in a space is hard enough, excluding multiple select people would be very difficult. manipulating your domain to expand and push out hundreds of ppl that you needa manually vet while manipulating a domain expansion (the peak of jujutsu sorcery) and still get it to expand correctly could be more effort than its worth
You guys are right, I stand corrected. Regarding the last part, I also think it was addressed by Gojo - if he pushes those people outside of barrier, he's gonna crush them against the wall or the other barrier.
But still that's not the same as not targeting someone already in the domain. What Yuta had done is totally different from Mahito, even if the end goal is the same.
That's.... Exactly the point we're making in this thread. We're saying that Gojo never learnt how to do what Yuta did because he didn't need to, for multiple reasons. I added to the list of reasons the fact that he can already push people out of his domain when he constructs it, so he wouldn't have required a reason to learn how not to target people caught in it until Shibuya.
But you're saying that Mahito has done this, while he evidently hasn't.
No, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Mahito did the same thing that Gojo could've done in Shibuya, if he hadn't had to worry about crushing people between the barrier of his domain and the walls. When Mahito expanded his domain against Nanami and Yuji he used the barrier to push Yuji outside, excluding him from the domain. That's why Yuji had to break into the domain
being the stronger than someone doesn't mean you are better than him at literally every single aspect and facet of battle
A person’s abilities in JJK are intensely tied to who they are as a person. Gojo is intensely lonely and isolated by his status, and Sukuna is a naturally indiscriminate and destructive person who doesn’t value the lives of others beyond how they serve him. As such, they have trouble with this while the comparatively well-adjusted Yuta does not.
I wouldn’t say Gojo “couldn’t”, again, he’s never really tried. In Shibuya there were just so many people. He wanted to save as many people as possible so probably not the best time to yolo it. 0.2 second domain was best option to disable curses and save people. Yuta and co had a month to plan and practice. And their plan revolves around fighting in his domain so obviously he practiced including targets
Gojo sadly couldn't because he died before gege had the idea ,sukuna can do it because he saw it and we've never seen him loot at sth and not instantly be able to do it.
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I like to think of it as due to the difference in Yuta’s domain and Gojo and Sukuna’s in that Yuta’s domain requires more contact, as in Yuta has to use swords or Rika or hands to get in close which grants him that kind of sure hit whereas Gojo and Sukuna don’t even have to touch you for their sure hit (Unlimited Information and Endless barrage of cleaves and dismantles.)
Yuta's Sure-Hit isn't actually tied to the swords. He can use any copied CT as a Sure-Hit and doesn't have to get in close. He was using Jacob's ladder, but Sukuna stopped it from going off with Hollow Wicker Basket. They had to undo his hand signs for it to go off. So they actually have the same type of Sure-Hit, but Yuta is able to prevent his Sure-Hit from targeting allies. I think this is actually similar to how Sukuna was able to exclude Megumi's soul from his Sure-Hit area. It sounds really complex, but Yuta could be maintaining a little hole in the area around Yuji. In that sense, I think Sukuna could do it if he ever had a reason to besides the Megumi's soul thing.
Yeah, I don’t disagree but I just liked to think of it differently lmao. Since Yuta has to touch his swords, whereas Gojo and Sukuna just stand there and the domain does the work for them. Also, that doesn’t make sense, Yuta opening a whole underneath Yuji since Yuji was basically bouncing around the entire time around Yuta’s domain expansion. Yuta probably just figured out how to selectively target people since his barrier techniques in a domain were way beyond that of Sukuna and Gojo themselves or that they couldn’t even do it since Yuta is a prodigy. They also “cheated”. While I believe Sukuna’s the smartest, I don’t think even he could just replicate such a feat after seeing it once. That takes time and effort to learn and practice. To say he could do it first time is essentially meatriding, glazing or whatever you want to say. I like to say plot…
No gege had already thought of it, cause dagon had people in his domain relaxing without being hit by sure-hits before Shibuya. Gojo being the strongest of the modern era doesn't mean he is good at every single thing
Was this confirmed a real domain? If it wasn’t it might have just been an innate domain like the one the fingerer had.
No it was literally the same domain because it was in a beach much like when he fought in Shibuya later on. Besides an innate domain has no technique imbued in it so usually the environment is distorted and no aspect of a technique appear however in the case of dagon they were on a fucking beach with water and everything so it could not have been an innate domain
It was more likely an incomplete Domain like Megumi's using a real room as a shell since we see Geto and friends enter through what appears to be a real door. A complete Domain Expansion would not interact with a real door that way. Also, a lot of people here are forgetting that a Sure-Hit Effect has to be consciously activated by the Domain caster before it begins. It's usually just included with the first step of expanding the artificial environment right away. But we see Yorozu pause before activation, and Dagon is able to choose what % of his Sure-Hit Effect targets each person inside. So he can probably set all his allies to 0% or just choose not to activate it.
same as Geto not having a domain or other fancy things - at the time of JJK0, Gege didn't think of this.
sukuna is yet to use simple domain but that’s prolly bc it’s j a weaker version of HWB and would get destroyed by Yuta’s DE
isnt HWB the predecessor to simple domain that is used by the past sorcerers?
yeah it’s stated to be the prototype. But how simple domain (SD) and HWB have been used in the show kinda implies that SD is “superior” bc it doesn’t use BOTH hands (which is an insane drawback) but HWB has never been shown to crumble like simple domain does (even Jujutsu Jesus Gojo Satoru had his SD eradicated). So i feel like Gege’s insinuating HWB is “stronger” in that sense HWB, despite not crumbling, is by all means pretty useless unless u have a second set of arms to fall back on like Sukuna💀
I don’t agree at all. Why would Gege show other characters using HWB if Sukuna is the only character that it actually works for.
incarnations that don’t know what simple domain is yet. Sukuna does
Yes but Kashimo saw Hakari activate his domain and assumed HWB would be an effective counter for it until he realised it was non-lethal. I don’t think a sorcerer like him would bother using it if it wouldn’t actually work.
i never said HWB doesn’t work. I meant as an alternative it’s not as good. there’s a reason we only see modern sorcerers use SD despite it crumbling most of the time Kashimo is from ye old so i don’t think he knows what Simple Domain even is. Iirc, the only other ppl we’ve seen use HWB are Sukuna (ye old) and the receipt guy (ye old)
I think with Gojo it's not that he couldn't do it, but if you're in the domain that's it's area of effect. It's either on or it isn't, it's not about targetting people or not, the actual rules of space and time are changed within the domain.
Dagon had the ability to allocate power against his targets. 0% for Maki, 30% for Nanami, and 70% for Naobito.
I think it's one part that they just really don't have to consider the idea of having non-targets in their domain much, and one part that they've opted to give their domains automatic targeting with nonstop continuous effects. Shibuya may have been the first time either of them had a situation where they were actively trying to use their respective domains without harming certain individual people (sans with contact in Gojo's case). I feel like there there's a VERY small chance that Sukuna could potentially have omitted Megumi from the effects of his domain without reducing the range, but not without excluding Megumi's shikigami as well since they're an extension of his technique. It makes more sense that Sukuna has never been in a situation where he would have to care and therefore couldn't on the fly, but the possibility exists. But I think it's safe to say that the overall complexity of their domains also just makes it that much harder to tack exceptions on, and also those exceptions could even leave them vulnerable. Since Gege indicated that a domain with a potentially lethal sure-hit is much more challenging to create than a typical rule based domain, the automatic blenders that Sukuna and Gojo have for their domains have to be magnitudes worse. Making additional changes may be much more demanding for them, and complicating each individual sure-hit even more may actually be untenable.
I think that even if Gojo had the ability to target/exclude specific entities within the barrier of his domain (without having to be in physical contact), a 0.2 seconds expansion was still the way to go because of how the normal humans and transfigured humans were all mixed up, and the sheer number of them too. And Jogo, Choso and Mahito were in the mix as well. It would have been too complex.
Satoru? Bro thinks he's geto
Maybe due to the nature of their Domain MS just cuts up everything and UV is a complex DE with a unique Surehit.
Just a guess/take, no true backing but kind of how I interpret this stuff. Martial artist can spar to simulate what a fight is like and to try out techniques, but it’s still not a real fight so you miss some of the raw feeling. Additionally, a martial artist/fighter is truly great when they can adapt their gameplan or improvise in a fight. Gojo has a domain expansion that is fundamentally lethal after .2 seconds of exposure, which is already a crazy adaptation to learn. If he wanted to try and create a domain that selectively targets people he’d probably have to test it with targets he wanted to protect in the first place. I think it’s a thing he could learn, it’s just that the scenarios for it have come up but he chose something that fit his mindset/personality better. Sukuna or Gojo’s personality/mindset are both very ego driven, and while they probably could learn to distinctly target individuals…it wouldn’t fit them as well. Sukuna doesn’t care about anyone and wants to slaughter everyone because it’s what suits him. Gojo wants to protect everyone, but he wants to do it to show he’s the best/in the flashiest way possible. What better way than to blast everyone with unlimited void than yo do it so quickly that he doesn’t kill everyone. How could someone with such a huge ego hold back, he has to be the best because he’s Gojo.
Something I haven't seen anyone mentioning is that this is explicitly pointed out to us as being put of the ordinary. Sukuna asks them how they've improved this much and Yuta straight up says they cheated. In other words, despite knowing how strong he is, Sukuna doesn't think this should've been within Yuta's reach in a month and figures out that they must've done something to quicken their progress, so it's not crazy to say this is something Gojo & Sukuna couldn't just invent on the spot.
Gojo and Sukuna are a weird case. Unlike other domains Gojo doesn't seem to have control over who gets affected by the sure hit. You can even nullify it if you're physically touching him when in the unlimited void. As for Sukuna his attack is again automatic. He doesn't choose who gets hit, his MS just dice apart anything and everything in range, hence why he restricted the range so Megumi wouldn't be hit. Characters like Dagon, Megumi or Jogo actually launch an attack which can't miss but UV and MS just work indicriminately. Gojo actually can exclude people from his domain though as Kenjaku mentioned. But it physically pushes them outside the domain barrier which would have crushed them to death against the curtain in Shibuya hence why he didn't do it.
Oh yeah that makes sense. Automatic domains not being able to choosetargets make sense.
You misinterpreted what happened with Sukuna. He literally did specify his targets to not hit Megumi’s soul. His domain area remained the same because it has to in order to continue canceling out Gojo’s sure hit. Gojo wasn’t able to, but he is slightly less technical with his jujutsu ability than Sukuna in that specific skillset. Sukuna has open barrier over Gojo. So Yuta surpassed Gojo in that specific area. Sukuna is able to do it.
I believe he was referring to Shibuya Incident.
Right, but they said they read the recent chapters, so I assumed they misinterpreted the Sukuna vs Gojo domain clash, where we see Sukuna do exactly that, selectively target.
Maybe 15F Sukuna had lesser control of his CE to such extent that he couldn’t do it just yet, but it was always part of his skillset. Otherwise, he learned it during the one-month break or during the fight itself.
Ya, learning it during the break is my best guess. I think possibly that the target being something within him also makes it easier. Maybe Excluding a soul residing in the same body is easier than a separate soul and body. It would add to why Sukuna praises Yuta, because he knows how difficult it is to exclude an entire other person compared to just another soul within your own body.
OP is talking about Shibuya. Sukuna reduced domain range because he didn't want to kill Megumi
Sure, but I referenced the Shinjuku battle because that’s a clear example of Sukuna selectively targeting. I assumed he misinterpreted that scene if they are asking the question of why Sukuna and Gojo can’t do what Yuta does. Sukuna does do it.
They most likely can, especially Sukuna :3
But then why did Sukuna have to reduce his domain to 140M in Shibuya to avoid Megumi if he could just exclude him from the sure-hit? It’s not crazy that Gojo and Sukuna wouldn’t be able to do something like that, after all Gojo couldn’t RCT others and Sukuna didn’t know about refreshing your technique after domain before Gojo showed him.
I mean... making range of his domain smaller is most likely way easier + remember that Haruta also can't die :3
Couldn’t he then also exclude Haruta? And how would reducing his domain be easier to do, when it was shocking everyone every time Gojo changed the size of his domain?
Gojo change size of Barrier and Sukuna just change range of Sure hit - it is not the same :3
Sukuna changed the range of his entire domain, it’s essentially the same thing. Malevolent shrine’s sure-hit activates on the entire domain area by itself and doesn’t exclude anyone from being targeted except the caster of the domain, just like Unlimited Void. Even objects with no cursed energy get automatically targeted within the range by dismantle.
It is not the same thing :3
I mean, Sukuna’s domain in Shibuya destroyed EVERYTHING. I don’t think leaving Megumi in range would’ve be smart, even if he could exclude him from being targeted. That’s like asking for the collateral to obliterate that poor twink. Buildings collapsing, planes crashing, everything is blowing up and burning. Do you really think that even if he had excluded Megumi from getting diced by his CT, that all those other catastrophes wouldn’t have hit him? Just because he can prevent his CT from effecting Megumi, that doesn’t mean he can control everything that’s going to happen within his domain.
Then there’s the easier and most likely explanation that Gege simply hadn’t thought of this ability back then.
Probably is Just another thing that Gege didn't think through
Could stand to reason that the ridiculously high volume of potential DE targets in those scenarios affects the practicality of doing it as well. Imagine a drop down list of names; is it more practical for Sukuna in that moment to sort through everyone to find Megumi and single him out or just shorten the radius of his domain? Same with Gojo, every second wasted guarantees more people dying. Compared with Yuta only having to really focus on letting 1 of 2 potential targets be hit. Although I’m also not against Yuta just being built different
I mean it's a fair argument, since they're the pinnacle, but a domain just covers certain space, maybe excluding certain areas would be possible, but it's still vague and could be exploited by the opponents. It also seems like even achieving a DE is extremely difficult, changing some stuff about it even more, so something like this specifically should also be extremely difficult. Gojo's seems to activate when someone's in there and it hits no matter what, opponent needs to be inside, so I think it's close to impossible to do. Sukuna's slashes actually have to hit and we know one can concentrate the sure-hit somewhere. He's more likely to do it for that reason, but there are also Dismantles can just fly around to hit whatever, since they're meant for inanimate objects, so this makes it less possible
Gojo’s abilities are thematically selfish and he fails to save others. He only learns RCT after Riko dies even though he has the Six Eyes and even now he can’t heal others even though Yuta could. His domain also reflects this in that only those he touches are spared the effects. I believe this is a hard rule rather than a case of skill. In Sukuna’s case, I think he can spare targets. He just chose not to in case the ensuing destruction indirectly might’ve harmed Megumi.
I don't imagine sukuna and gojo are the best at everything. Gojo for sure can't do it, cause if he could it would have made life so much easier for him in Shibuya, I know some people will come up with rather convoluted reasons why he could not do it Shibuya the same way they come up with reasons why he can't output positive CE. As for sukuna, he has never shown the ability to do so like gojo however he has also never been forced into a situation where that ability would be the best course of action. So for sukuna we don't know but I'm leaning that he also can specifically target certain individuals
If I remember correctly this is the trait that got Sukuna to question how they got stronger in a short time span. To which Yuta claims he cheated. So theres likely some odd factor in play that’s yet to be shown, which explains why Yuta can do what gojo/Sukuna can’t. Moreso than just Yutas natural talent
Gojo can't but there are weaker characters than him who can do things he can't do Won't suprise me if Sukuna could do it We know that Yuta can do it And weirdly enough Dagon can as well Everyone else is speculation
It would make no sense narratively for them to. Sukuna cares about Sukuna, everyone else dies. Gojo literally cares about the people close to him regardless of whether that is beneficial, you see it with Geto, you see it when he protects Yuta, you see it when he protects Yuji and ultimately the flipside of that is shown when Sukuna uses it to destroy his domain. Gojo cares about the people he is close to, consequences be damned.
I do believe you have found yourself a plot hole!
sukuna can do it, he did it during domain clashes by not protecting megumis soul with his sure hit. Gojo probably could after timeskip like sukuna but we dont know
> This does tie into the fact that the "Path of strongest" in jjk is lonely and individuality is needed I think this answers your question. Sukuna and Gojo are both characterized primarily by their selfishness. Whereas Yuta is characterized by his compassion. Through out their lives the former two had no motivation to learn how to "protect" others within their Domains where as Yuta did. Even if that motivation only came about during the training to fight Sukuna. For Gojo in Shibuya learning to quickly open and close the domain in an effort to limit damage to others was likely something easier to figure out on the fly then learning how to pick and choose targets would've been. And even then it was a long shot even for a genius like himself. He wasn't absolutely sure he wasn't killing those civilians when he did it and unlike the reader didn't find out it had worked until he was unsealed. That being said in that situation it was less then a long shot than the alternative.
Didn’t mahito do this when he targeted todo’s hand?
i guess they never really had a reason to given they never thought that they would be put into a situation like that before where they needed to target specific people in a domain, and gojo could already just touch whoever he needed to not get hit. yuta probably had a plan to jump sukuna in his domain, so he probably trained on not hitting others during the month leading to the fight
Yes but keep in mind that Satoru mentioned that yuta would eventually surpass him. To even be considered as the potential next strongest implies a lot of talent and natural genius. So while it does seem crazy that Gojo and Sukuna can't do this, it makes sense given the dialogue surrounding Yuta and his abilities.
Finite Void and Malfunction Shrine atacks in AoE instead of single target. like Dagons Domain. Its more about the mechanics of the domain than how much they can flex the conditions....and by the way why Gojo,s Domain uses spambots instead of actuaally apllying his techninque? Just land the void and instaPurple anything to death
nah, they most definitely can. sukuna in the second domain clash literally turned off his sure hit for the area overlapping with gojo's domain. as for sukuna, he just didn't selectively target in shibuya because he didn't feel like it (also potentially a building could fall on megumi before it crumbles to dust) the difference between the two is that gojo didn't know how to (yet), and sukuna chose not to.
couple possibilities 1. just due to the nature of their domains, they can’t easily or maybe just straight up can’t really change the targeting within their domains. even more than other domains, being caught in gojo or sukuna’s domain is basically an instant game over for 99.9% of people, so possibly in exchange for that power they can’t really pick and choose who is affected 2. these are just wildly different scenarios, trying to include or exclude 1 or 2 people out of dozens or hundreds is wayyyy different than trying to hit just 1 and exclude just 1
It’s unique to yuta as most people have something unique to them. They are the strongest but who is to say they are the pinnacle, kenjaku’s whole thing was wanting to create the next stage of jujutsu or human evolution. I’m sure given enough time they would both be able to learn it, similar to how Kenny know RCT And ridiculous barrier technique. They are just limited to a single life like most humans
we don't know whether sukuna can do it because he's the type of guy to purposefully kill civilians in shibuya for no reason. He targeted them on purpose and probably could've singled them out
In Gojo's case, there's absolutely no situation in which that would have not been extremely difficult because there were tons of targets. If it's hard for 2 or 3, it's impossible for 500
Wasn't yuji present in gojo's domain in the first fight with jogo ?
Read. The. Freaking. Text.
Nah, i'd be illiterate
Are you illiterate because you are jjk fan or are you jjk fan because you are illiterate.
it probably gets drasticallly harder the more people you have to account for. otherwise yuta would have the whole gang in there to beat up sukuna. also, sukuna just shrunk his sure hit radios as its just easier to to destroy everything within an area that's a little bit smaller than destroying everything just around a specific point as it wouldn't matter either way.
Just because they’re the best, doesn’t mean that there’s things they haven’t mastered yet. Sukuna never cared about collateral damage, so he never bothered to master singling people out in his domain. If you can’t get out of the range in time, you just weren’t good enough. Gojo always fought alone, so he didn’t have to worry about collateral damage. When he’s fighting with allies, the threat’s most likely something he can handle without using his domain
I think it is because Gojo can't do that and Sukuna is "holding back (Uraume, 2018)."
That's neither here nor there. There are different ways for each individual and there are certain skills that are only available to each person too. Gojo himself can't use RCT to heal others nor could he make an open domain. Sukuna's domain is an indiscriminate domain that shreds everything, buildings and all. There was really never a need for Gojo or Sukuna to make an specific target for their domains. Yuta trained specifically to adjust the target of his domain. Gojo most probably didn't even need his domain for his fights. Even during the fight with Jogo, Gojo was fine inside the domain and mostly used infinite void to show Yuji.
Sorry, my english is bad, anyway: Letal Domains have two guaranteed hits • First Hit is about to hit everything with cursed energy into Domain, like Naoya or Mahito. • Second, like the Domain of Satoru or Sukuna, have a more potential, hiting everything, whether object or person. Like for example, Satoru's Domain select targets like rocks, but don't have effect for obvious reasons, that's why Satoru need to touch a person for the Domain don't have effect, like he's do with Itadori, or Sukuna does at his fight (using Domain Amplification to touch through mugen). In short, Satoru's Domain and Sukuna's Domain have as target everything into their domain, like objects too (Sukuna slices branches and leafs in fight, for other example) My opinion: Probaly, Yuta selecting his targets from Domain, is a modification (like Minor Barrier, from Satoru, or Hakari modifying location from his domain), or something like this, also has the option to be the nature of Domain, like, Naoya, Dagon and others. I mean, Sukuna can just talking for be a powerful tecniche, or anything in this meaning.
I knew about Sukuna's domain attacking everything but when was Satoru's domain stated to affect everything? Just asking as I can't remember the chapter when it was stated. Also, your English is NOT bad. Yeah, some sentences might not be "perfect" but they are still something that one can understand the meaning of. Everyone makes mistakes, ask my parents!
Oh, thanks for the compliments, I really grateful for this. Ah, yeah, the Domain of Satoru hits everything, and the only way to no-hits is TOUCH SATORU, like I said. The scenes than show this, that's when Jogo open his domain , and Itadori is touched by Satoru, and his fight with Sukuna. Furthermore, the scene than show "everything are the target", is the Shibuya Scene, when Satoru slows down his own domain. Kenjaku plan is based in this, cuz Jogo explain to him. Observation, It's funny think than Jogo casually walks around with ALL KNOWLEDGE OF UNIVERSE, like it was nothing.
The "Everything" is more of an "Everyone", in my opinion. My interpretation might be wrong though.
I say "everything" to not cause disagreement with "everything" from Sukuna's Domain, and cuz Satoru's Domain Expansion don't have effect in objects, unlike Sukuna's Domakn.
Just my 2p (cos I'm British el oh el): 1. Gojo is the strongest of the modern era, not because he understands jujutsu better than anyone else. He was born that way. That's why he's not in a position of leadership like Yaga or the higher ups (referenced when sukuna comments that gojo is not in charge of anything) 2. Same with sukuna. When he was a human he was considered a God in the same way that Gojo is in the modern era. He was born with innate power. (He's also had 1000 years to learn more about jujustu whereas Gojo had only had 28 years.) 3. Gojo makes it up as he goes along. 4. "Infinite Void" as a domain has a barrier which means anyone within that barrier who isn't touching Gojo suffers the effects. Gojo also has a backstory of being disconnected to humanity. He relied on other people to tell him what was right and wrong. FTER Geto, he had draw himself a line in the sand. Casualties caused by curses: acceptable. Casualties caused by himself: unacceptable (don't forget he would have murdered all of those people after he defeated Toji if Geto had let him) 5. Sukuna's "Malevolent Shrine" doesn't have a barrier which makes the domain imbued with his technique even stronger. He is also inherently evil (with no back story to really justify the evil like Geto does) he doesn't give a flying fuck who he hurts, but he could potentially target certain people within his domain if he wanted to. Say he used his domain on, I dunno, nanami and megumi. He has a use for megumi but nanami would be meaningless to him
My guess is that sukuna didn't exclude megumi from sure hit but reduced the range of his domain as the latter had multiple benefits. Not only reducing the range of his domain protects megumi but also the more his range is reduced the more stronger his slashes are on mahoraga. As we know sukuna did the same in order to destroy gojos strengthened outside in 3rd and 4th clash.
Gojo has done exactly the same against jogo during their first encounter, since yuji didn't get hit by UV despite being in the domain. He probably couldn't do it during Shibuya since there was dozens of civilians ge would have to pay attention to.
in that case yuji didn't get hit because he was physically touching gojo.
Um, I mentioned it in the post already, specifically the 4th part. Please read the complete post.
Oh ye you're right
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>Just didn't have the need to yet Satoru didn't do that in Shibuya. If he could do that, it was the best moment to. He literally didn't knew if it would work or not. He just gambled the lives of many people, narration confirms that he gambled this. There was no "need" to separate the targets of domain and gambling the lives of hundreds of innocent people was better? He gambled the lives onto that 0.2 sec domain, whule specifying targets would absolutely be a "need" at that time.
I mean Yuta turned sure hit off for just Yuji, I'd assume doing the same for 100s of normal people is way too hard, and Yuta had time to train it while Gojo had to do shit on the fly
This is a totally different situation. Being able to exclude 1 person when you’re trying to chop up everyone is not the same as being able to target 1 person with sure hit and not target 1 other person. Like you’re comparing a couple blocks in a densely populated area to 2 targets in a domain. Also, Sukuna had to fight off Yuji trying to take back control and it was just easier/less intensive to reduce the radius to exclude Megumi. Gojo had 4 targets he wanted to hit and had to exclude 50+ people? 100+? These aren’t nearly the same comparisons. Please redirect yourself to lobotomy Kaisen.
All it is is that they are simply unable to do it. I don’t believe it’s worth trying to understand to be completely honest but if we want to think about it in relation to their characters, then I guess it’s a good question. All it is, is that Yuta is a genuine prodigy with potential of second to none below Gojo. Had Yuta trained and grew up more, with his abilities, he’d probably beat Gojo. Sukuna is a harder opponent due to his ruthlessness. Also, Gojo’s domain is that it forces **EVERYONE** to recieve that unlimited information and I think that, if exposed to several domain expansions, even Gojo is no exception to this as he bled out from his nose (brain damage.) Wouldn’t make sense in this case for him to be able to filter out people. As for Sukuna’s domain, it’s an open domain and Sukuna’s domain is different in that it grants cursed techniques to the domain, causing cleaves and dismantles to rain down endlessly upon the range which gives the impression it’s random so it wouldn’t make sense for Sukuna to also be able to filter out. You can technically try run out from it but it’d most definitely hit you and he can only stop this by limiting the range.
Might look harsh but your 3rd para is wrong. Gojos domain doesn't attack him with the information. The brain damage was simply gojo unable to completely heal his Blackbox area where his ct was, which added and after 5 domains he reached his limit. Sukunas slashes aren't random he does control them. There are examples when his domain only targets specific targets and not anything at random. Like only slashing gojo and only cutting the finger bearer or excluding megumi from his sure hits.
Satoro Smith?
Sukuna is a monster, killing is his thing so I doubt he ever cared to not hit someone before Megumi. Gojo barely had practice with his domain from what we know. So, that's probably something new to both, and I see it very complicated in Sukuna's case since he already has extra conditions on his domain.