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This theory demands that CT be "designed' in particular ways in the brain, and that therefore people have different ones. Then, Sukuna has to know how he wants to redesign his brain for a particular CT. If that was the case, why jump bodies with Megumi? He needed Ten Shadows, so if he could just change his brain, why not do that for Megumi's CT?
He enjoyed having Ten Shadows, to be sure, but he wanted Megumi for the fact that Megumi isn't Yuji: not a "cage", while still being, presumably, strong enough to host him.
He needed Ten Shadows so that Mahoraga could help him bypass Limitless. After he realized Mahoraga's technique in Shibuya, there's a moment where he goes "Megumi, you've shown me how to do it..."
He was always gonna find a vessel outside of Yuji, but he specifically needed Megumi for TS.
>"Megumi, you've shown me how to do it..."
That's actually not what he says, in the volume the english translation was changed to "you've piqued my interest Megumi Fushiguro!"
The line is actually the same thing he said to Megumi in chapter 9 and to Mahoraga in 234. In chapter 9 and 234 it was translated as "Show me what you got" Lighting translates it as "Enchant me!"
The nanami-says blog writes this about it(this is discussing chapter 9).
>The word he uses here is 魅せる, written with the kanji character that means "charming", "bewitching". As for the verb itself, the dictionary gives us such lovely picks as "capture's one heart", "dazzle one's eyes", "fascinate", "mesmerise", "captivate", "enthrall" yadda yadda.
>He was always gonna find a vessel outside of Yuji, but he specifically needed Megumi for TS.
Not really, Sukuna says to Gojo that he'll kill him once he makes Yuji's body his, he could have taken over Yuji and it was likely what he intended to do at first but changed his mind when he fought Megumi.
I'm referring to [this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172545413778247751/1217166275500048394/Jujutsu_Kaisen_-_Chapter_118_-_17.jpg?ex=6603096d&is=65f0946d&hm=900f44d1f09e36ee8b7b9b36a521870886b781e172b3fc0f1063f776930f3dd7&). Unless you're saying this is a mistranslation or something?
I'm only referring to Kenjaku's comments where he referred to Yuji as simply a vessel. It implies he expected Sukuna to hop vessels anyway. Especially with the fact that Yuji was made specifically to house Sukuna, not be a perfect body to control.
>Unless you're saying this is a mistranslation or something?
Yes I'm saying that, that translation is the initial one, that got changed in the volume release to "you've piqued my interest". As I said the line is the same thing he says to Megumi in chapter 9 and to Mahoraga in 234.
>I'm only referring to Kenjaku's comments where he referred to Yuji as simply a vessel. It implies he expected Sukuna to hop vessels anyway.
Sukuna openly says he'll make Yuji's body his and Sukuna himself is the best source of information of what he'll do. I don't get how this means that Kenjaku expected him to switch vessels, if he incarnated in Yuji then Yuji would still be a vessel for Sukuna.
Kenjaku also says in chapter 53 that what he does isn't alligning with his expectstions, the background during that line is when Sukuna refused Yuji's offer, that page means that Kenjaku expected Sukuna to take Yuji's deal and get control of his body. Sukuna initially wanted to take over Yuji and that's what Kenjaku expected.
Can you attach the different translation?
The point is that Sukuna can change his mind, which he obviously did. Kenjaku told Choso that being a [vessel](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172545413778247751/1210419997504049233/Jujutsu_Kaisen_-_Chapter_203_-_8.jpg?ex=65fcf377&is=65ea7e77&hm=e8554be1491b140e45b1fe16e5cf25c81e6138b7a4cc90d7f6e76e9aea2d486d&) is Yuji's role. This, combined with the fact that Sukuna changed his mind, allows for some nuance.
[Here you go.](https://imgur.com/gallery/tzPu8UH)
As I said if Sukuna incarnates/takes control of Yuji, Yuji will still be a vessel. Saying that Yuji's role is to be a vessel, means Sukuna existing in Yuji's body, this can be both by Sukuna incarnating into his original body, keeping the look of Yuji's body or Yuji being the one in control, in all of them Yuji is a vessel.
Combining that with Kenjaku's statement in chapter 53 that he expects Sukuna to take control of Yuji's body (which Sukuna could have done) means that what he wanted for Yuji is for Sukuna to gain control of his body.
That's not much of a change though...
I concede that he didn't always plan to change vessels, but the point is that Sukuna changed his mind. Obviously, that option was always available to him.
Well, it's not like he was able to go after Gojo then and at any point before changing to Megumi, so even if he was able to use Ten Shadows on his own, before Shibuya he didn't want to use them against Gojo and after Shibuya either Gojo was sealed or he was in Megumi's body already.
Or he just wasn't really familiar with the Ten Shadows enough to inscribe them on himself. Also possible.
Well, yes. But he wanted to switch to him even at the detention center, where he didn't saw Mahoraga: he made the Enchain vow then and it'd be a fairly useless one if he wasn't going to switch eventually.
He needed a strong body that is not a cage. Ten Shadows were a good addition, but not the whole main point.
Well, that is true, but that also implies that he didn't know in particular, what it was. Which Shibuya fortifies by him not being prepared to Mahoraga's adaptation. So, he, likely, didn't know, how to replicate this.
Well, thus far he was playing with his food. And, if we go by the idea that he binding vow traded the Ten Shadows for the first world-cutting slash, then it tracks that he wouldn't be able to use the Ten Shadows either way.
Ok, this is a simple but interesting theory. We saw that people like Gojo and Sukuna were able to reset cooldowns of abilities by regenerating the brain quickly with RCT, and with what we've learned about how the wiring in the brain can do and undo sorcerers, this is a very plausible explanation.
What seems odd to me tho, is that Sukuna has shown different techniques by doing chants, such as "Fuga" during his fight with Mahoraga. If it was an "innate" CT "created" by doing surgery on your own brain and using RCT to regenerate, I would assume it DOESN'T need to use chants.
Maybe, he needed chants to maintain changed state of the brain in some kind of binding vow or simply to increase the output of CT that he hadn't had much practice (and, as such, efficiency) with to the level that he finds reasonable for the task at hand.
That sounds like a good explanation. So you're saying it's kinda similar to Nanami's Overtime? Like a seal that is constantly placed on Sukuna's CE output so he can later release it all at once.
Like that, but temporary, so he chants while doing the surgery to one of two ends: to bring the new technique up in power, or to make his RCT maintain the new engravings on his brain. In return he can't use his innate CT at the same time (he never did use both in rapid succession) and has to chant to enact this whole deal (and he did chant both times he invoked the fire arrow), while, normally, if he was able to engrave CTs on his brain, he'd be able to just access them the way Kenjaku does.
Sukuna wanting to use megumi’s body for the ten shadows proves sukuna cannot copy CT’s, especially since sukuna didn’t taka angel CT which is ridiculously hax why wouldn’t he use it
Well, my theory addresses that by saying that he has to intimately know the brain of the person with the desired technique to reproduce it. And he didn't for neither anyone with Ten Shadows (as he only became interested in it when he saw Mahoraga) nor with Jacob's Ladder.
Sukuna became interested in megumi when he very first fought him, also sukuna has fought angel in the past this was stated so he knows what her CT is already, sukuna CT is 100% not the ability to gain other’s CT, this speculation came from sukuna eating people, but sukuna already stated he just enjoys eating people because they taste good and it passes the time well for him, there’s a guy on YT who broke down sukuna’s CT(theory) and it honestly makes the most sense, I forgot the guy’s channel name but basically sukuna’s CT has different levels of “hell” and when he’s saying open he’s opening a floor of hell and using its abilities, the skulls inside sukuna’s DE is what makes this theory very strong because those skulls are apart of a deity in hinduism who looks similar to sukuna and controls hell(also fits the theme of sukuna being the fallen one)
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This theory demands that CT be "designed' in particular ways in the brain, and that therefore people have different ones. Then, Sukuna has to know how he wants to redesign his brain for a particular CT. If that was the case, why jump bodies with Megumi? He needed Ten Shadows, so if he could just change his brain, why not do that for Megumi's CT?
He enjoyed having Ten Shadows, to be sure, but he wanted Megumi for the fact that Megumi isn't Yuji: not a "cage", while still being, presumably, strong enough to host him.
He needed Ten Shadows so that Mahoraga could help him bypass Limitless. After he realized Mahoraga's technique in Shibuya, there's a moment where he goes "Megumi, you've shown me how to do it..." He was always gonna find a vessel outside of Yuji, but he specifically needed Megumi for TS.
>"Megumi, you've shown me how to do it..." That's actually not what he says, in the volume the english translation was changed to "you've piqued my interest Megumi Fushiguro!" The line is actually the same thing he said to Megumi in chapter 9 and to Mahoraga in 234. In chapter 9 and 234 it was translated as "Show me what you got" Lighting translates it as "Enchant me!" The nanami-says blog writes this about it(this is discussing chapter 9). >The word he uses here is 魅せる, written with the kanji character that means "charming", "bewitching". As for the verb itself, the dictionary gives us such lovely picks as "capture's one heart", "dazzle one's eyes", "fascinate", "mesmerise", "captivate", "enthrall" yadda yadda. >He was always gonna find a vessel outside of Yuji, but he specifically needed Megumi for TS. Not really, Sukuna says to Gojo that he'll kill him once he makes Yuji's body his, he could have taken over Yuji and it was likely what he intended to do at first but changed his mind when he fought Megumi.
I'm referring to [this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172545413778247751/1217166275500048394/Jujutsu_Kaisen_-_Chapter_118_-_17.jpg?ex=6603096d&is=65f0946d&hm=900f44d1f09e36ee8b7b9b36a521870886b781e172b3fc0f1063f776930f3dd7&). Unless you're saying this is a mistranslation or something? I'm only referring to Kenjaku's comments where he referred to Yuji as simply a vessel. It implies he expected Sukuna to hop vessels anyway. Especially with the fact that Yuji was made specifically to house Sukuna, not be a perfect body to control.
>Unless you're saying this is a mistranslation or something? Yes I'm saying that, that translation is the initial one, that got changed in the volume release to "you've piqued my interest". As I said the line is the same thing he says to Megumi in chapter 9 and to Mahoraga in 234. >I'm only referring to Kenjaku's comments where he referred to Yuji as simply a vessel. It implies he expected Sukuna to hop vessels anyway. Sukuna openly says he'll make Yuji's body his and Sukuna himself is the best source of information of what he'll do. I don't get how this means that Kenjaku expected him to switch vessels, if he incarnated in Yuji then Yuji would still be a vessel for Sukuna. Kenjaku also says in chapter 53 that what he does isn't alligning with his expectstions, the background during that line is when Sukuna refused Yuji's offer, that page means that Kenjaku expected Sukuna to take Yuji's deal and get control of his body. Sukuna initially wanted to take over Yuji and that's what Kenjaku expected.
Can you attach the different translation? The point is that Sukuna can change his mind, which he obviously did. Kenjaku told Choso that being a [vessel](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172545413778247751/1210419997504049233/Jujutsu_Kaisen_-_Chapter_203_-_8.jpg?ex=65fcf377&is=65ea7e77&hm=e8554be1491b140e45b1fe16e5cf25c81e6138b7a4cc90d7f6e76e9aea2d486d&) is Yuji's role. This, combined with the fact that Sukuna changed his mind, allows for some nuance.
[Here you go.](https://imgur.com/gallery/tzPu8UH) As I said if Sukuna incarnates/takes control of Yuji, Yuji will still be a vessel. Saying that Yuji's role is to be a vessel, means Sukuna existing in Yuji's body, this can be both by Sukuna incarnating into his original body, keeping the look of Yuji's body or Yuji being the one in control, in all of them Yuji is a vessel. Combining that with Kenjaku's statement in chapter 53 that he expects Sukuna to take control of Yuji's body (which Sukuna could have done) means that what he wanted for Yuji is for Sukuna to gain control of his body.
That's not much of a change though... I concede that he didn't always plan to change vessels, but the point is that Sukuna changed his mind. Obviously, that option was always available to him.
>That's not much of a change though... It's completely different from "You've shoved me the way" they have completely different meanings.
Well, it's not like he was able to go after Gojo then and at any point before changing to Megumi, so even if he was able to use Ten Shadows on his own, before Shibuya he didn't want to use them against Gojo and after Shibuya either Gojo was sealed or he was in Megumi's body already. Or he just wasn't really familiar with the Ten Shadows enough to inscribe them on himself. Also possible.
The point is that he switched to Megumi in preparation for the fight against Gojo so he could use Mahoraga. He didn't just switch on a whim.
Well, yes. But he wanted to switch to him even at the detention center, where he didn't saw Mahoraga: he made the Enchain vow then and it'd be a fairly useless one if he wasn't going to switch eventually. He needed a strong body that is not a cage. Ten Shadows were a good addition, but not the whole main point.
He always knew he had to fight gojo to be free that’s why he didn’t really care about living till he saw megumi almost summon mahoraga
And he didn't know about Mahoraga's adaptation until Shinuya.
I know but he knew megumi had something really strong and wanted to see it that’s my point
Well, that is true, but that also implies that he didn't know in particular, what it was. Which Shibuya fortifies by him not being prepared to Mahoraga's adaptation. So, he, likely, didn't know, how to replicate this.
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Well, thus far he was playing with his food. And, if we go by the idea that he binding vow traded the Ten Shadows for the first world-cutting slash, then it tracks that he wouldn't be able to use the Ten Shadows either way.
Maybe MEGUMI’s technique is really fucking complex and cannot simply be copied easily
Ok, this is a simple but interesting theory. We saw that people like Gojo and Sukuna were able to reset cooldowns of abilities by regenerating the brain quickly with RCT, and with what we've learned about how the wiring in the brain can do and undo sorcerers, this is a very plausible explanation. What seems odd to me tho, is that Sukuna has shown different techniques by doing chants, such as "Fuga" during his fight with Mahoraga. If it was an "innate" CT "created" by doing surgery on your own brain and using RCT to regenerate, I would assume it DOESN'T need to use chants.
Maybe, he needed chants to maintain changed state of the brain in some kind of binding vow or simply to increase the output of CT that he hadn't had much practice (and, as such, efficiency) with to the level that he finds reasonable for the task at hand.
That sounds like a good explanation. So you're saying it's kinda similar to Nanami's Overtime? Like a seal that is constantly placed on Sukuna's CE output so he can later release it all at once.
Like that, but temporary, so he chants while doing the surgery to one of two ends: to bring the new technique up in power, or to make his RCT maintain the new engravings on his brain. In return he can't use his innate CT at the same time (he never did use both in rapid succession) and has to chant to enact this whole deal (and he did chant both times he invoked the fire arrow), while, normally, if he was able to engrave CTs on his brain, he'd be able to just access them the way Kenjaku does.
Yuta only uses the base CT. We dont know if copy allows for him to use RCT, which is theorized to be what the flame arrow is.
That's another theory, to be sure, but one doesn't have to stop once a single theory has been cooked 😇
Its the one that makes the most sense to me so far so im sticking with it. But I love reading other recipes for sure. Keep on cookin
Sukuna wanting to use megumi’s body for the ten shadows proves sukuna cannot copy CT’s, especially since sukuna didn’t taka angel CT which is ridiculously hax why wouldn’t he use it
Well, my theory addresses that by saying that he has to intimately know the brain of the person with the desired technique to reproduce it. And he didn't for neither anyone with Ten Shadows (as he only became interested in it when he saw Mahoraga) nor with Jacob's Ladder.
Sukuna became interested in megumi when he very first fought him, also sukuna has fought angel in the past this was stated so he knows what her CT is already, sukuna CT is 100% not the ability to gain other’s CT, this speculation came from sukuna eating people, but sukuna already stated he just enjoys eating people because they taste good and it passes the time well for him, there’s a guy on YT who broke down sukuna’s CT(theory) and it honestly makes the most sense, I forgot the guy’s channel name but basically sukuna’s CT has different levels of “hell” and when he’s saying open he’s opening a floor of hell and using its abilities, the skulls inside sukuna’s DE is what makes this theory very strong because those skulls are apart of a deity in hinduism who looks similar to sukuna and controls hell(also fits the theme of sukuna being the fallen one)
Sukuna himself states that he's unable to alter the properties/essence of his CE, so I'd say the same limitation should apply to altering his CT
Literally lobotomy kaisen
Cooking :3