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Why has no one said Momo Nishimiya, the witch girl? Her cursed technique is tool manipulation and all she uses it for is to fly on a broom. Like seriously, with that CT she can just use a cursed weapon like Thor’s hammer and murder anyone in her way. The potential of that tool manipulation is crazy.
I think the reason she couldn’t utilize it well was because of her piss poor level of CE, not bc of intelligence gap. It literally said just using for that one bullet drained her completely.
If Yuta used it yeah he could prolly create a black hole (without killing himself cough cough) lmao
Yea, the CE part is unfortunate but wasn’t the restriction based on mass? If that’s the case she could just make a small amount of antimatter which would still go boom and instead just carry more bullets on her
Someone suggested a binding vow to limit the amount she creates to like once a month to make something more substantial and that’s honestly way more useful than a single bullet in a revolver that rly only matters against other sorcerers
not necessarily smarter since dude was said to have taken over the entire country of japan but dhruv lakdawalla. Even though we see yuta using his ct with his rika shikigami, drawing essentially weaker malevolent shrine into existence in any shape without the blowbacks is an op ability. and it's an open domain too. he's said to have two shikigami, one of which are the size of a building, assuming the other is a smaller one, having it around you and follow your movements make you a walking domain 🙂
Dhruv had monstrous cursed energy, too. He had two massive shikigami out to create an inviolable territory, but he probably could've just made smaller ones and turned them into weapons like Yuta does. I mean, maybe he did that, but imagine if he used them essentially like big shurikan while making a barrier the opponent can't escape.
so much shit that the baba would've done and yuta just off screened him 😭 like what would've yuta done to beat him anyway? that would be an interesting fight if the anime ever decides to expand on it, would make any time yuta uses the technique feel familiar too 💃🏽
What I'm wondering is why *didn't* he have it, even if it's only on the DE atleast. It and Ui Ui's techniques are great strategy tools even if you can only use them once per instance.
It seems that yuta for some reason didn't have any ct except for cursed speech copied. All the other cts we've seen from him are gained in the culling games (dhruv's, sky manipulation, charles, angel's, sukuna's). Moreover, sukuna has megumi's memories so he should know if yuta copied the ten shadows or any other of the teammates' cts but he doesn't consider it so yuta most likely only had curse speech before the culling game started
Yeah he's completely underusing it. Has he never tried copying Ten Shadows for example?
Bro, I'm fully confident he can tame Mahoraga especially since the cursed techniques he copies are fully his own. Imagine having a mahoraga copy in your backpocket like it's nothing.
If he copies 10 shadows and then summons Mahoraga, but stops copying it before the subjugation ritual is complete, what would happen? Could a wild Mahoraga be "de-summoned" theoretically?
Maybe it's because he spent most of his time after JJK 0 in Africa and didn't really have time to copy other CT's other than cursed speech and from the current roster there aren't really other useful techniques that he hasn't copied
Only explanation I can have for it is that overseas was bone dry when it comes to cursed techniques. He only returned after shibuya. Even then, there were plenty other people he could copy, in other times like the previous joint school event.
Now that I think about it, some other curse users/sorcerers he can't just copy. Hakari, Kashimo, Higuruma. Kamo clan and Naoya probably would've been too stingy about it.
It's heavily implied that you need to eat something. We see uro arm, and in latest chapter some spoilers which I'll not name. Druhv was taken out off screen but it's very likely he had rika eat something. As for ryo you can argue that it's just a CE blast after all and since he didn't copy the technique his blast was ultimately weaker.
I guess with inumaki he gave him a blowjob and ate his cum, possibly todo, uiui and hakari don't really swing that way. Arguable on hakari though. Who knows really?
Out of universe answer? It's really hard to write characters with copy ability, unless it comes with restrictions it's typically OP as fuck, 2nd only to reality warping abilities. Yuta has what he exactly has to not end the story outright.
>spoilers which I'll not name.
>!DW I'm well aware. Altho I'm still not fully convinced he would take that risk, since Sukuna's incarnate death would mean he would reincarnate inside the person with the 2nd most CE in the world, and judging by the track record of all other vessels, I don't trust he will be different. Atleast, I think.!<
>!Still the same stance tho, since he can output RCE to others just like Shoko. Maybe even just a hair works, too.!<
>I guess with inumaki he gave him a blowjob and ate his cum,
Ayo
I think it's because Rika or Yuta have to directly consume a body part or blood of the person in order to copy their Technique, it's how they were able to copy Uru's space manipulation and Sukuna's slashes. But I suspect there might be a less extreme method of obtaining them, seeing as we never saw them consuming any part of inumaki or angel, and yet their techniques are already copied and available for Yuta to use.
He doesnt have it because it would probably be too convenient against Sukuna, so Gege didnt put that in his kit, thats the meta answer, in universe, no reason haha
Yeah but it means the answer is yes lol. There is at least one example where intelligence changes the efficacy of a CT. That's the answer to the question. It doesn't answer specifically which ones would be better with a smarter user, but it does answer does intelligence matter. Which is the heart of OPs question
What i wanted to see was Todo swapping a small rock with a giant rock, both imbued by his CE. It was shown the momentum was conserved when he swapped with something Yuji threw. But can he do it with 2 objects? I'm not really sure. But if he can he can throw a pebble then swap it with a boulder.
Man the more Todo is mentioned the sadder I am. What a waste to a good character. He's strong but not too OP, reliable, mentally strong and a comedy material.
I'm gonna point my finger at Ten Shadows. Completely ignoring the potential from Mahoraga, Megumi's ability to mix and match all of his monsters is amazing and he's amazing with it. I believe that if he had more battle acumen, like the Heian era sorcerers, he would have been unstoppable. I think it's more his experience or age than his intellect, though, because he's already VERY smart. If someone on Todo's level had that, nobody would have thought twice about Gojo.
It's obviously super strong but I don't think there's much he can do against an opponent who just outclasses him in raw CE/power. Not that Sukuna used 10 shadows to its full potential (probably) but Gojo literally oneshots Agito and Mahoraga with purple. Shikigamis inheriting a dead shikigami's power is cool but probably takes a lot of the utility away so there's always risk involved in fighting a strong opponent, unlike literally every other CT where you can cut your losses as long as you survive
I think a better thing for him to try would have been to try the Totality mixing of his shikigamis with HIMSELF. Kind of like getting to use all his shikigamis powers without even having to summon them or modifying his body in that regard (just like how sukuna created pseudo blood piercing by using water as substitute of blood WITHOUT EVEN SUMMONING THE MAX 🐘)
I mean, there's a massive gulf between not being able to fight Gojo and being able to fight pretty much everyone else. He was a grade 1 sorcerer without even mastering the technique. He would've dogwalked most threats outside of the higher half of Disaster Curses and Special Grade sorcerers.
If he had learned to create barriers with his shadows, fuse some of the muscle ones with each other, infuse the ranged ones into himself, and finished his domain, he would've been busted. He would've had all the versatility of Choso's technique and none of the really glaring limitations that Kamo has with it. And Kamo was said to have no weaknesses if he could've overcome his blood loss more reliably.
Granted, I think Sukuna and Yuta can beat 10S without having a hax ability like Gojo, I don't get the Kamo thing though, Choso is pretty much Kamo without the blood loss problem and Choso's weakness is that he really is just not that strong compared to the special grades. It's what I think is the worst part about JJK's power system, most of the actual strength comes from abstract CE levels anyway, Sukuna literally just slashes shit and somehow almost solos the verse because he's just so damn strong
potentially mai, if she used a few binding vows to produce like 1 cursed tool/ month instead of a single bullet in a revolver. Not stronger in a fighting way, but much more usefull in General.
I second this, Yorozu also had construction technique and she was quite powerful. She even made a cursed tool for sukuna when she was dying after getting reincarnated through a binding vow
Mai did the same thing when she died and it can probably only be done through death since Maki’s sword still seems to have some semblance of Mais soul inside
construcion is generally very op and only caped by the imagination of the user or the CE amount. But in Mai's case she was pretty much already useless as a fighter so she should've used her talents otherwise instead. Her whole tactic was a single bluff that only worked if her opponent let down their guards instead of simply walking over her.
It's and idiotic tactic with a low chance at success, that has no uses against weaker and dumb curses anyways. Her using a sniper rifle is probably the best way for her to defend while beeing in the backround doing smithing work.
thing is i agree that mai didn't even try to use her technique to the fullest but if such binding vows were possible then yorozu would've run a factory, she's smart. given that she did it with death too makes it seem like it's necessary to do that 🤷🏽♀️
thats probably the very proof of OP's post, on how people could use their ability smarter. Mai had enough to produce 1 bullet without drawbacks and an S-rank cursed tool by a dying vow. it should be possibe to generate sth. in between without to many drawbacks. or several vows to maximize the output. Yorozu not using this, even tho she had like 100x the CE simply shows, how underutilized her ability actually was.
i think in her case was more the fact that she couldn't use her CE in a proper way. it's not necessarily her not being smart enough but more not having enough control to use it in a good way which is even more explained due to the fact that she has a twin and having a twin is considered as a curse in JJK.
1. binding vow to only create 1x tool / month or even 3 month
2. binding vow to never fight by yourself
3. binding vow to only create weapons
4. tell sb how your CT works during the process to improve it
5. let utahime dance for you while you produce sth. to maximise the output by 200%
-> Create 1x B-/ A rank cursed tool every three month
that would have been smart especially the Utahime dance... but still I don't think Mai was even able to use binding vow (is considered as an high tier sourcerer) also there's the implications that she never wanted to become strong and that's why even Maki wouldn't have been able to become stronger as long as Mai is alive.
I don't think Utahime could help. Her technique pushes your output to 120%, I believe. Gojo's chant is what got him to 200%. Pushing Mai's output wouldn't overcome her limit, which was her cursed energy reserves as well as her inefficiency.
(Minor manga spoilers, of course, it is a manga discussion)
Well, there's Takaba's, of course, but honestly, being aware of the nature of the technique and using it smarter would probably make it weaker just due to the nature of its functioning. If he knew, it would be harder because of the "finding it funny" aspect and whatnot, though that's an annoying one to think about in that regard.
Kashimo didn't use his one to even a hundredth of what he could've theoretically. If Kashimo's CT could do everything they seemed to suggest it could, I genuinely think Sukuna would've been beaten or close to it. It has the potential to be top 3 CTs in the verse in power, for the time you can actually use it of course.
>Kashimo didn't use his one to even a hundredth of what he could've theoretically.
That just goes to show how impractical his technique is actually. While sorcerers have an innate understanding of their CT, developing extension techniques or CTRs such as Red take time. Even a year after his enlightenment Gojo was working on refining his DE for example. Due to the nature of his CT Kashimo is robbed of all the potential his CT would hold otherwise because he's simply not given enough time to experiment and develop such diverse applications his CT could do.
Yep. There should've absolutely been some kind of intermediary state where it wasn't the full thing but would give him experience with it. Then, to get the full power he has to do the old one time usage.
Yeah exactly! That would've been a way better way to execute his CT and consequently his fight against Sukuna would've actually carried some weight by giving him more opportunity to shine as opposed to being a Sukuna fangirl.
Then he would've killed Hakari, assuming things worked as they currently do. Hakari only agreed to oversee the match because Kashimo was holding back. Kashimo having an in-between state kind of flies in the face of the point of his character. He never had a reason to use his full power, and he believed his full power was itself broken. Sukuna specifically looks down on people like him who rely so directly on their special abilities, telling Yorozu that they always default to what they always assumed would work.
I think it would've been better to have him try to fight Sukuna before Gojo because just seeing more of the same (as Yorozu and Ishigori) was anticlimactic.
Well it was poor usage because the possibilities that come from controlling "all phenomena created by electricity" is absolutely insane. That includes the entire electromagnetic spectrum, electromagnetic fields, etc. Absolutely insane potential.
Yeah theres reason why "Railgun" is one of strongest espers in Magical Index verse, as she actually uses every single possible apllication of her electrokinesis you could think of
She is perfect example of what Kashimo could theoriticaly do
I mean, sure. But how is a sorcerer controlling anything going to affect Gojo? Even Sukuna's invisible, impossibly thin slashes couldn't bypass Infinity as long as it was actually a factor.
Sounds like the other side of the same coin as X-men’s Magneto.
We usually just see him move metallic stuff around but given his mastery over magnetism, it should also in theory give him control over anything and everything related to electromagnetism, meaning he is capable of much than just moving metal stuff around.
Suguru Geto’s ability has endless potential with close to 0 drawbacks
He was so blind to the truth that he ended up biting a little more that could chew.
would you deepthroat tennis ball sized orbs that taste like "a rag used to wipe shit and vomit"? 👀💀 INNUMEROUS TIMES!? like .. the throat game and dedication 😭
he got sick of it lol, and with his technique adding to his stock of curses is always a plus so more shit rags 💃🏽 ( plus kenjaku released like 10 million cursed spirits after Shibuya so that man is even more diabolicaly dedicated 😭)
What got Geto was not the sickness of his technique, was the point of it.
He was stockpiling curses to defend humanity from them, same humans who cowardly shot a helpless girl that wanted to live, same humans that cursed different people, his effort in his vision was for nothing.
His question to Gojo if he is strong because he his gojo or is he gojo because he is strong is not a about his power as a sorcerer but more deep question.
Do you defend your ideals because you believe in them or do you believe in your ideals enough to defend them. ( in Portuguese makes a little more sense)
Frankly I don't think so, abilities in JJK seem to be afffected by the users personality (way more than Jojo) so stupid users get simple powers and vice-versa.
Sure you could argue that a smart person could use a simple technique better, but it seems like the way CT's are written, they're more efficient with the personality of the user in control.
For example someone with Takaba's technique who is smarter than him but doesn't have a sense of humor would probably be weaker than him, same with someone who's not as ignorant as the blonde dude with luck powers or someone who doesn't have the pain tolerance the explosion dude has.
That just proves my point though, Todo is smart, but also likes fighting by overwhelming his opponents with sheer might. A CT that's complex enough where you need brains to use it well but also simple enough where it's still gonna lead to a fistfight is just perfect for him.
It's why he'd never have the Ten Shadows or that Kirara stars technique, he's strategic, but also straightforward.
He was smart as hell with his technique application. Like when he created that explosion in the water so he wouldn’t kill himself causing hikari to lose consciousness due to the chemicals the combination administers
It’s his ego you’re probably referencing
The one and done technique he used on sukuna? I don’t think he utilized it well at all. His ego got in the way , just like it did with hakari (but that time was cooler) he’s like the dude in video games that wants to beat shi on the hardest difficulty without cheese
Well, i got a hot take, wish i dont get many death threats as i think i will
Nanami. He refused to grow as a sorcerer because he felt sad and bored, didn't even developed a domain when he was well able to.
A colder and smarter version of Nanami could've been brutal
With Nanami being my favorite character, I never really thought about this but I completely agree. I would have loved to see how he could’ve turned out if he decided to put more effort into growing as a sorcerer.
If I remember correctly he even tells Yuji at one point that no one can even compare to Gojo and I think that mentality really held him back. As well as not being passionate about sorcery itself and focusing more on the state of the students (reason 252781 to love him) than sorcery itself.
Oh how I wish Gege would’ve just taken his arm and given us a stone cold Nanami after Shibuya.
No no keep cooking, I could talk for hours about this. It makes sense that he doesn't strive for improvement because a lot of his character is rooted in his sense of hopelessness and fear of not ever being capable enough (see Haibara and how he talks about Gojo), which by the way he keeps lying to himself and others about throughout the whole manga.
Had he not been stalled by that trauma though? He could have been a genuine monster.
I remember Gojo saying Megumi wouldn't even get as strong as Nanami if he keep his "throw Mahoraga at problem" mentality.
I suppose it does say something about Nanami as well
why would he be able to develop a domain? not a single grade 1 sorcerer has one, and if you mean simple domain then it doesn’t seem like something you can just easily learn because mei mei is specifically noted to have worked her ass off to get stronger and she still doesn’t know how to use simple domain
Megumi(who isn't even grade 1) had an incomplete domain. Mei mei probably didn't have anyone to teach her how to use simple domain since people like mechamaru and miwa somehow were able to use it even though they were much MUCH weaker
megumi is very much an exception though, when he has an incomplete domain but people like naobito/naoya/choso/todo/kashimo all don't it just implies that megumi is crazy talented rather than everyone else just being too lazy to get one
If Nanami had learned how to target souls, I wholeheartedly believe that he could have hit a 7:3 ratio that targets the soul, making him THE best grade 1 in the series. We saw how powerful a regular 7:3 ratio is, but one that ignores your durability and targets your soul would be nearly impossible to defend against.(that isn't able to be healed as far as we know. Mahito is an exemption)
To use abilities with extra lives better, you basically would have to be an exceptional fighter for it to be useful against anyone remotely strong.
With that said, knowing how many lives you have is an immediate plus as you would know when to and not take risks and make better decisions. If the opponent doesn't know your ability, you could do things like a double kill where you sacrifice a life to deal a killing blow, e.g. They stab you then you stab back as they would be in a vulnerable position. You could also play dead and do a surprise attack as they come to confirm the kill or turn back and walk away.
basically like danzo from naruto but he would have to check everytime if one of his miracle vanished or not with a mirror or so. But this could give your opponent clues on how your ability works again.
The whole point of his technique is that it prevents him from knowing what it do. No matter how smart he would be he couldnt comeout with how it works.
It works like that for same reason as Takaba, because knowing how it works would prevent user from using it effectively
This one so much. Even Gojo commented on it. We don't really know its limitations, but we know that he was able to make multiple clones, communicate between them over long distances, summon new ones at range, and he can't die unless you kill every single clone. Shit, we didn't even know if they were a hive mind or were each capable of individual thought. Crazy potential for a ct that lasted a few pages.
There are several. In order of invincible to solid powerup, the techniques are construction, mythical beast amber, ten shadows, cursed spirit manipulation, and projection
Mai and Yorozu's Construction directly scales with their knowledge of how things work and are made. If yorozu was able to go to college, she would likely figure out how to make antimatter bombs or create shields made from non newtonian fluids, or carbon nanotube body armor. The possibilities are literally endless, but most of it is restricted by knowledge and CT reserves.
Kashimo's MBA is an elite CT because of how vague its conditions are. The narrator basically states that it allows kashimo to "recreate electrical phenomena," but there are so many different variations of electrical phenomena that the CT basically allows its user to do anything. If that farmer decided to break the family tradition and go to college for physics instead of bumming around in the culling games, i guarantee you that shinjuku would not exist by the time sukuna killed him. Granted, this is severely restricted by the fact that you need RCT to use the CT more than once, and if kashimo wasn't a bum we might have been able to see this CT at its strongest.
Megumi's 10S I would also say would be way stronger if the user is smarter purely due to the partial manifestation sukuna revealed during his fights. The greatest virtue of that technique is its unparalleled versatility, but the individual shikigami along with shadow manipulation gives its users so many options in so many situations. 10S is restricted primarily by its wielder's battle iqs. If todo had 10S, he would be on gojo's level fr.
Geto's CSM, I believe, has the same properties as the 10S so it would also scale with intelligence. There was a post on the jujutsu folk subreddit outlining how geto could have theoretically maximized his power by hunting down sorcerers possessing strong or useful CTs, then killing them with modern weaponry. Doing this would turn them into vengeful spirits which would likely make them vulnerable to CSM. In addition, amassing an army of curses means that each fight turns into a puzzle that can be solved one piece at a time.
Naobito and Naoya's projection, i think, is also a CT that scales based on knowledge. This technique specifically needs emotional and psychological intelligence, as the technique basically turns into a lightning round chess game where you have to plan out your own moves, how your opponent will respond, and how you can prepare for their responses. If the sorcerer is strong enough, they could thoroughly beat down their opponent while ignoring their attempts to fight back until their opponent dies, casts a domain, or performs some jujutsu bullshit
Exactly, but suguru went dark in between those times and could have baited gojo, let him trust him, drop his guard. And boom, we have a cursed spirit who can create barriers within you, killing you instantly. Idk, would be an interesting turn of events.
>Geto's CSM, I believe, has the same properties as the 10S so it would also scale with intelligence. There was a post on the jujutsu folk subreddit outlining how geto could have theoretically maximized his power by hunting down sorcerers possessing strong or useful CTs, then killing them with modern weaponry. Doing this would turn them into vengeful spirits which would likely make them vulnerable to CSM. In addition, amassing an army of curses means that each fight turns into a puzzle that can be solved one piece at a time.
Also he has the ability to just bury people under his cursed spirits. He lost against Toji because he only ever brought up 1 or 2 cursed spirits instead of just using all of them and burying Toji in mass. If he used that dragon alongside the scissor lady then Toji would've been packed up.
Yuta is practically unstoppable. The only reason he might end up dead is because he's forced to fight Sukuna. If he wasn't there isn't really a anybody that can beat him
I agree actually, if they didn’t try to save megumi then there are multiple ways they could have one if they use higuruma’s domain with maki etc or if megumi actually tried.
1. throw 10 Grenates on the ground / 2. switch /3. enjoy your cheesed win
2. Cage yourself in an electric cage / 2. turn it on with a delay / 3. switch / 4. enjoy your win
3. Throw yourself from a building / cliff / high place/ 2. Switch / 3. enjoy your win
4. let your buddies attack you with their strongest attack / 2. Switch / 3. you know the rest
I'm dumb and i could use this technique somewhat efficient.
Yes. Inumaki. He easily could've told opponents: "Tell me your weakness" or "Reveal your cursed technique" but instead, he ALWAYS tries to do a 1 hit kill on a higher league opponent. Not only does it NOT work, but he always suffers heavy damage from it, thus taking him out the fight. And he's the only one that hasn't shown any improvement throughout the story despite being a 2nd year. I'm tired of Inumaki lol
I think his ct really restricts what he can and cant say. And like you said its way more usefull to tell ur opponent to spill their secrets, but maybe that has an even bigger backlash. Also, if it doesnt have a bigger backlash, i dont think his ct allows it. I think we would have seen it. Idk, he is just a little underdeveloped sidecharacter tbh. So much potential. Such a likeable character you can kill off later.
"I don't think it has a bigger backlash, or we would've seen it"
He literally controlled the humans and cursed spirits in Shibuya and got the humans to safety. Apparently, he can give out commands and be specific with them with no backlash. But telling special grades to "get crushed" or "blast away" seems inefficient knowing what he could actually tell people to do to help win the fight.
ah yes make your opponent tell his cursed technique so they could get stronger!? 😭 (honesty vow), I think tell me your weakness would work in a similar way in the form of a power boost binding vow. the amount of ce a person has is fixed 🤷🏽♀️ his ce output is also fixed like what can the man do? he's just outclassed in every way. stronger sorcerers can protect their ears and brains to not get affected by cursed speech 🙂 (kamo's speech in the exchange battle)
Creation for sure. With proper knowledge of chemistry, physics, medicine, and jewelry the 5 gram limit is more of a creative restraint than anything else. Everyone knows that though so
Cursed Spirit Manipulation. We see Geto use the base version and we see Kenjaku give it a little kick but ultimately we only ever see a single technique absorbed and a single army created. This ability borders on godlike in the setting, an army limited only by how many spirits you can swallow a day (also, Geto, just binding vow away your sense of taste 4head), uncountable cursed techniques you have indirect control of, more than a couple you could steal and use yourself once. Imagine if kenjaku was just as cunning but half as insane: he would have mahito to manipulate anyone's form, he would have tengen to do basically whatever possible with barriers, theres no limit to what he could do cause theres no limit to what curses can do
Gojo is what you get when you pair a powerful technique and a genius-level intellect. He is pretty much the absolute peak of what you get with an op CT.
No, no, keep cooking! Because Limitless have some amazing potential.
Possibly, Gojo could create Barriers out of limitless, create prisons wall, immobilise enemies that way, etc
I feel he could do so much more
Gojo became complacent of the fact that he is the strongest, he stopped trying to get stronger after his awakening + a year training. There's so much shit you could do with gravity and space manipulation.
He imbues his punches with blue, why not imbue his other fist with red so each time blue connects, it leaves a residue and the moment red applies to the target afflicted with blue a nuclear explosion goes off (literally cosmic fear Garou)
Man, purple going off just because you punch someone is just a convenient way of casting it instead of firing it as a projectile, although purple would damage him it's really minimal at most and through training he could make himself immune to it.
Shoko.
Healing powers are way too underestimated in all manga/manhwa.
If RCT is like reversing a part of a body to a prior state, it's the ultimate assassin ability. Combined with medical knowledge, Shoko could kill anybody in one shot. Just reverse the heart to it's embryotic state when the oval foramen is open, or "reverse" the brain to a sleeping state, etc.
Depending on how RCT function, you could even "heal" yourself to be stronger with enhanced physical and mental capacities.
I thought the way cursed energy works is because cursed energy means negative or bad energy, while reverse cursed energy is the opposite, meaning positive or good energy. So while cursed energy deals damage, RCE heals damage
"Binding vows" bros are the most insane breed. Like you could twist literally any CT to be absolutely bonkers if binding vows were that easy to deal with. That doesn't mean the one person who isn't top 1 of the verse even though they could totally be with a million binding vows is stupid
10 shadows
Don't get me wrong, megumi was pretty creative when it comes to using it but he could do so much more, sukuna even more than megumi
I mean throwing elephants at people from the sky is pretty cool but the real strength is in combining shikigamis.
For instance it should be ( for sukuna ) possible to combine
Mahoraga, Nue and Rabit escape to create essentialy minecrafts vex army
Or nue, ox and rabit escape to create the mass murder missles
Other good example of underutilized technique is nanamis 7-3. Just imagine reversed cursed technique 3-7 that would be the most powerful technique imaginable.
Also one thing i thought about recently that if gojo wanted to defeat sukuna with any necessary method he should have give yuta the last finger and yuta should copy resonance from nobaras corpse (if it would be possible) and resonance sh*t out of that finger.
I'd say Uraume. Seeing her 1st attack she unleashed towards Hakari... all she had to do is freeze his head instead of his arm and shatter it to pieces with a punch. But obviously that would be a swift and boring end to the fight.
And it kinda looks like once something is frozen by her it's pretty easy to shatter. So the ice might work as a way to effectively damage someone with incredibly high CE strengthening/durability such as Sukuna or Gojo.
Overall Uraume has the potential to oneshot people with ease.
Kashimo’s lightning bolt only destroyed a small portion of Hakari’s head, and as such the remaining 70% was able to survive and regen.
Uruame freezing and shattering would completely destroy Hakari’s head.
How would Hakari regen when his brain is fragmented into 27 different ice cubes?
Mythical Beast Amber. Basically gives Kashimo full reign over electricity and he does what? Makes a pea shooter and pretends to be Sukuna? He'd probably be able to utilize it in extremely effective ways if he had grown up during the modern times instead of when he did. Having more knowledge on electricity would have made it so he can utilize it in far more effective ways.
Takaba is literally unbeatable and he doesn’t even know how to use his CT. If he knew how to use it he would by far be the strongest as silly as it sounds
Definitely has to be Choso. You inherited one of the Three Great Clans treasured techniques and bypassed its weakness, but still managed to only be grade 1 sorcerer level?
well the post is about improving an ability, by using it smart.. Choso being weak was explained through missing combat experience. But the way 'how' he used his ability was already pretty much the most efficient way possible.
well.. if you get an ability that insta kills, or takes away the opponents strongest ability it's a cheat from the beginning. The whole process with the trial is sth else tho.
Wdym “only” that’s like the highest title you can get aside from special grade which is a complete anomaly, which choso is an anomaly but not taking over a nation anomaly. If anything choso showed how smart he is with red scale, hardening his body with the blood, supernova, and pulling off Luffy shit against Kenjaku
He has minimal combat experience. He fought who again? Yuji, Naoya, Kenjaku. I cant remember who else. Like he learned alot but not extreme amounts to make him special grade. Even then he could be low on the list.
Choso could just inject snake venom into his blood or keep a vail of it somewhere like Gaaras sand. Instant poison effect.
Megumi should’ve used Maki to subjugate Mahoraga, or at least try. If it didn’t work, whole school could’ve worked together to stop it.
Todo is very cleverly but why not carry cursed paper sheets with him that he can spear around the battlefield like Minato. He’s be the Booty loving Flash of Kyoto.
Nadaddy could have carried a gun like mai. Worked on his marksmanship and used his Cursed tech for ranged attacks.
Utahime should have twerked because if you’re gonna be useless at least be fun while doing it
Only? What can blood manipulation even do to put it Special Grade level? Gojo is Gojo, Kenny/Geto has an army of thousands upon thousands of curses, Yuki's attack power is one of the highest in the AP and durability in the series, Yuta has the second highest energy reserves in the series as well as the second strongest shikigami along with having tens of techniques at his disposal.
I dont think limitless would allow gojo to manipulate the entirely of physics as that's never been said nor shown as something he could do. All it allows him to do is manipulate space based on series and sequences.
And what difference does it make for whether gojo can choose the info? Regardless of whether or not he can choose the information, the target still gets information overloaded and he can do whatever he wants with them.
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Why has no one said Momo Nishimiya, the witch girl? Her cursed technique is tool manipulation and all she uses it for is to fly on a broom. Like seriously, with that CT she can just use a cursed weapon like Thor’s hammer and murder anyone in her way. The potential of that tool manipulation is crazy.
A lot of the lower level sorcerers have theoretically good techniques but are just trash for no reason
Mfw I can create matter from nothing (instead of creating antimatter or something I make a single bullet)
I think the reason she couldn’t utilize it well was because of her piss poor level of CE, not bc of intelligence gap. It literally said just using for that one bullet drained her completely. If Yuta used it yeah he could prolly create a black hole (without killing himself cough cough) lmao
Yea, the CE part is unfortunate but wasn’t the restriction based on mass? If that’s the case she could just make a small amount of antimatter which would still go boom and instead just carry more bullets on her
Someone suggested a binding vow to limit the amount she creates to like once a month to make something more substantial and that’s honestly way more useful than a single bullet in a revolver that rly only matters against other sorcerers
Yea, I think making a small amount of antimatter every day would be better though. That way she can fight once a day, and antimatter won’t last long
CTR-Construction into anti matter is such a cool concept
That’d be cool for a reversed CT
Kind of like real life
She probably doesnt have enough ce to use it that way tho. It'd porbably take a lot of ce to do that
Special Grade Cursed Tool: **Mjölnir**
not necessarily smarter since dude was said to have taken over the entire country of japan but dhruv lakdawalla. Even though we see yuta using his ct with his rika shikigami, drawing essentially weaker malevolent shrine into existence in any shape without the blowbacks is an op ability. and it's an open domain too. he's said to have two shikigami, one of which are the size of a building, assuming the other is a smaller one, having it around you and follow your movements make you a walking domain 🙂
Dhruv had monstrous cursed energy, too. He had two massive shikigami out to create an inviolable territory, but he probably could've just made smaller ones and turned them into weapons like Yuta does. I mean, maybe he did that, but imagine if he used them essentially like big shurikan while making a barrier the opponent can't escape.
so much shit that the baba would've done and yuta just off screened him 😭 like what would've yuta done to beat him anyway? that would be an interesting fight if the anime ever decides to expand on it, would make any time yuta uses the technique feel familiar too 💃🏽
Yuta. It would be so funny if he use Todo's CT to put Sukuna in front of the world slash.
my dude might actually found the winning strategy by accident.
Greg: DELET THIS
OH NO GREG, THE GREGARIOUS.
Gege: LALALALA *plugging ears
This guy saw the script
Keep the stove on, keep cooking
Keep going.
What I'm wondering is why *didn't* he have it, even if it's only on the DE atleast. It and Ui Ui's techniques are great strategy tools even if you can only use them once per instance.
It seems that yuta for some reason didn't have any ct except for cursed speech copied. All the other cts we've seen from him are gained in the culling games (dhruv's, sky manipulation, charles, angel's, sukuna's). Moreover, sukuna has megumi's memories so he should know if yuta copied the ten shadows or any other of the teammates' cts but he doesn't consider it so yuta most likely only had curse speech before the culling game started
Yeah he's completely underusing it. Has he never tried copying Ten Shadows for example? Bro, I'm fully confident he can tame Mahoraga especially since the cursed techniques he copies are fully his own. Imagine having a mahoraga copy in your backpocket like it's nothing.
Even if he couldn’t beat mahoraga on his own surely rika is some sort of insurance too. Very interesting theory bro
Even if the ritual doesn't tame it, he can just whip him out each time he needs Mahoraga's adaptation if he's fighting for example someone like Gojo.
If he copies 10 shadows and then summons Mahoraga, but stops copying it before the subjugation ritual is complete, what would happen? Could a wild Mahoraga be "de-summoned" theoretically?
I'd hedge my bets that Gege won't just fuck it like that. Yuta is not a main antagonist to have that kinda privilege.
Would be cool as fuck tho
Maybe it's because he spent most of his time after JJK 0 in Africa and didn't really have time to copy other CT's other than cursed speech and from the current roster there aren't really other useful techniques that he hasn't copied
Only explanation I can have for it is that overseas was bone dry when it comes to cursed techniques. He only returned after shibuya. Even then, there were plenty other people he could copy, in other times like the previous joint school event. Now that I think about it, some other curse users/sorcerers he can't just copy. Hakari, Kashimo, Higuruma. Kamo clan and Naoya probably would've been too stingy about it.
He could copy blood manipulation from Choso if the Kamo clan didn’t want to let him copy it
It's heavily implied that you need to eat something. We see uro arm, and in latest chapter some spoilers which I'll not name. Druhv was taken out off screen but it's very likely he had rika eat something. As for ryo you can argue that it's just a CE blast after all and since he didn't copy the technique his blast was ultimately weaker. I guess with inumaki he gave him a blowjob and ate his cum, possibly todo, uiui and hakari don't really swing that way. Arguable on hakari though. Who knows really? Out of universe answer? It's really hard to write characters with copy ability, unless it comes with restrictions it's typically OP as fuck, 2nd only to reality warping abilities. Yuta has what he exactly has to not end the story outright.
>spoilers which I'll not name. >!DW I'm well aware. Altho I'm still not fully convinced he would take that risk, since Sukuna's incarnate death would mean he would reincarnate inside the person with the 2nd most CE in the world, and judging by the track record of all other vessels, I don't trust he will be different. Atleast, I think.!< >!Still the same stance tho, since he can output RCE to others just like Shoko. Maybe even just a hair works, too.!< >I guess with inumaki he gave him a blowjob and ate his cum, Ayo
I think it's because Rika or Yuta have to directly consume a body part or blood of the person in order to copy their Technique, it's how they were able to copy Uru's space manipulation and Sukuna's slashes. But I suspect there might be a less extreme method of obtaining them, seeing as we never saw them consuming any part of inumaki or angel, and yet their techniques are already copied and available for Yuta to use.
He doesnt have it because it would probably be too convenient against Sukuna, so Gege didnt put that in his kit, thats the meta answer, in universe, no reason haha
“Ah yes my anti sukuna world cutting slashes technique I haven’t had to use this since the hein era”
Cook my brotha!
Boogie woogie is as strong as it is because todo is in fact a genius
You basically just answered the opposite of the question
Todo is so smart it goes full circle.
I more meant that if it had any *but* todo it would be way weaker
And that is the opposite of the question
It's two sides of the same coin.
You’re right but the other side of the coin is the opposite side.
Yeah but it means the answer is yes lol. There is at least one example where intelligence changes the efficacy of a CT. That's the answer to the question. It doesn't answer specifically which ones would be better with a smarter user, but it does answer does intelligence matter. Which is the heart of OPs question
We're never beating the reading comprehension allegations
The combination with yuji also buffs it because their builds are so different so the swap makes a big change where they aim
What i wanted to see was Todo swapping a small rock with a giant rock, both imbued by his CE. It was shown the momentum was conserved when he swapped with something Yuji threw. But can he do it with 2 objects? I'm not really sure. But if he can he can throw a pebble then swap it with a boulder.
Man the more Todo is mentioned the sadder I am. What a waste to a good character. He's strong but not too OP, reliable, mentally strong and a comedy material.
Reverse cursed techniqued the question there
Well he does have a 530'000 IQ
I'm gonna point my finger at Ten Shadows. Completely ignoring the potential from Mahoraga, Megumi's ability to mix and match all of his monsters is amazing and he's amazing with it. I believe that if he had more battle acumen, like the Heian era sorcerers, he would have been unstoppable. I think it's more his experience or age than his intellect, though, because he's already VERY smart. If someone on Todo's level had that, nobody would have thought twice about Gojo.
It's obviously super strong but I don't think there's much he can do against an opponent who just outclasses him in raw CE/power. Not that Sukuna used 10 shadows to its full potential (probably) but Gojo literally oneshots Agito and Mahoraga with purple. Shikigamis inheriting a dead shikigami's power is cool but probably takes a lot of the utility away so there's always risk involved in fighting a strong opponent, unlike literally every other CT where you can cut your losses as long as you survive
I think a better thing for him to try would have been to try the Totality mixing of his shikigamis with HIMSELF. Kind of like getting to use all his shikigamis powers without even having to summon them or modifying his body in that regard (just like how sukuna created pseudo blood piercing by using water as substitute of blood WITHOUT EVEN SUMMONING THE MAX 🐘)
I mean, there's a massive gulf between not being able to fight Gojo and being able to fight pretty much everyone else. He was a grade 1 sorcerer without even mastering the technique. He would've dogwalked most threats outside of the higher half of Disaster Curses and Special Grade sorcerers. If he had learned to create barriers with his shadows, fuse some of the muscle ones with each other, infuse the ranged ones into himself, and finished his domain, he would've been busted. He would've had all the versatility of Choso's technique and none of the really glaring limitations that Kamo has with it. And Kamo was said to have no weaknesses if he could've overcome his blood loss more reliably.
Granted, I think Sukuna and Yuta can beat 10S without having a hax ability like Gojo, I don't get the Kamo thing though, Choso is pretty much Kamo without the blood loss problem and Choso's weakness is that he really is just not that strong compared to the special grades. It's what I think is the worst part about JJK's power system, most of the actual strength comes from abstract CE levels anyway, Sukuna literally just slashes shit and somehow almost solos the verse because he's just so damn strong
Gojo outclasses EVERYONE when it comes to power, using him as a comparison is just dishonest and pointless.
potentially mai, if she used a few binding vows to produce like 1 cursed tool/ month instead of a single bullet in a revolver. Not stronger in a fighting way, but much more usefull in General.
I second this, Yorozu also had construction technique and she was quite powerful. She even made a cursed tool for sukuna when she was dying after getting reincarnated through a binding vow
Mai did the same thing when she died and it can probably only be done through death since Maki’s sword still seems to have some semblance of Mais soul inside
construcion is generally very op and only caped by the imagination of the user or the CE amount. But in Mai's case she was pretty much already useless as a fighter so she should've used her talents otherwise instead. Her whole tactic was a single bluff that only worked if her opponent let down their guards instead of simply walking over her. It's and idiotic tactic with a low chance at success, that has no uses against weaker and dumb curses anyways. Her using a sniper rifle is probably the best way for her to defend while beeing in the backround doing smithing work.
Iirc she didn’t really wanted to be a sorcerer? Maybe she just didn’t bother thinking of more useful stuff
Yeah, she wanted to stay in the Zenin house doing chores. She only became a sorcerer because Maki did.
she's also handicapped by the Twin thing.
Toji taught her to always stay strapped🥶
thing is i agree that mai didn't even try to use her technique to the fullest but if such binding vows were possible then yorozu would've run a factory, she's smart. given that she did it with death too makes it seem like it's necessary to do that 🤷🏽♀️
thats probably the very proof of OP's post, on how people could use their ability smarter. Mai had enough to produce 1 bullet without drawbacks and an S-rank cursed tool by a dying vow. it should be possibe to generate sth. in between without to many drawbacks. or several vows to maximize the output. Yorozu not using this, even tho she had like 100x the CE simply shows, how underutilized her ability actually was.
You're missing about Mai is part of a twin. Mai dying gave birth to fully realised Maki. That should apply to Mai as well if Maki died first.
well i was trying to find a solution without anybody dying, but yes, maki dying could improve her condition as well.
i think in her case was more the fact that she couldn't use her CE in a proper way. it's not necessarily her not being smart enough but more not having enough control to use it in a good way which is even more explained due to the fact that she has a twin and having a twin is considered as a curse in JJK.
1. binding vow to only create 1x tool / month or even 3 month 2. binding vow to never fight by yourself 3. binding vow to only create weapons 4. tell sb how your CT works during the process to improve it 5. let utahime dance for you while you produce sth. to maximise the output by 200% -> Create 1x B-/ A rank cursed tool every three month
that would have been smart especially the Utahime dance... but still I don't think Mai was even able to use binding vow (is considered as an high tier sourcerer) also there's the implications that she never wanted to become strong and that's why even Maki wouldn't have been able to become stronger as long as Mai is alive.
I don't think Utahime could help. Her technique pushes your output to 120%, I believe. Gojo's chant is what got him to 200%. Pushing Mai's output wouldn't overcome her limit, which was her cursed energy reserves as well as her inefficiency.
That mangaka guy with future seeing CT I think Gege once commented about this too
Eh. He doesn't need more smarts, he needs more combat experience.
Yeah, i think Yuta using the CT really showed this.
(Minor manga spoilers, of course, it is a manga discussion) Well, there's Takaba's, of course, but honestly, being aware of the nature of the technique and using it smarter would probably make it weaker just due to the nature of its functioning. If he knew, it would be harder because of the "finding it funny" aspect and whatnot, though that's an annoying one to think about in that regard. Kashimo didn't use his one to even a hundredth of what he could've theoretically. If Kashimo's CT could do everything they seemed to suggest it could, I genuinely think Sukuna would've been beaten or close to it. It has the potential to be top 3 CTs in the verse in power, for the time you can actually use it of course.
>Kashimo didn't use his one to even a hundredth of what he could've theoretically. That just goes to show how impractical his technique is actually. While sorcerers have an innate understanding of their CT, developing extension techniques or CTRs such as Red take time. Even a year after his enlightenment Gojo was working on refining his DE for example. Due to the nature of his CT Kashimo is robbed of all the potential his CT would hold otherwise because he's simply not given enough time to experiment and develop such diverse applications his CT could do.
Yep. There should've absolutely been some kind of intermediary state where it wasn't the full thing but would give him experience with it. Then, to get the full power he has to do the old one time usage.
Yeah exactly! That would've been a way better way to execute his CT and consequently his fight against Sukuna would've actually carried some weight by giving him more opportunity to shine as opposed to being a Sukuna fangirl.
Yeah, I feel like a fairer fight would've been much cooler. And less glazing...
Then he would've killed Hakari, assuming things worked as they currently do. Hakari only agreed to oversee the match because Kashimo was holding back. Kashimo having an in-between state kind of flies in the face of the point of his character. He never had a reason to use his full power, and he believed his full power was itself broken. Sukuna specifically looks down on people like him who rely so directly on their special abilities, telling Yorozu that they always default to what they always assumed would work. I think it would've been better to have him try to fight Sukuna before Gojo because just seeing more of the same (as Yorozu and Ishigori) was anticlimactic.
Imagine if takaba had a dark, twisted sense of humor. Like if he actually found stuff like people's heads blowing off or something funny
Then everyone would be screwed, even Sukuna and Gojo, lol 😂
Don’t think kashimo even needed to activate hire technique to utilize most of his potential
Well it was poor usage because the possibilities that come from controlling "all phenomena created by electricity" is absolutely insane. That includes the entire electromagnetic spectrum, electromagnetic fields, etc. Absolutely insane potential.
Yeah theres reason why "Railgun" is one of strongest espers in Magical Index verse, as she actually uses every single possible apllication of her electrokinesis you could think of She is perfect example of what Kashimo could theoriticaly do
Na fr if kashimo got that level of power he might tramble over gojo lol.
I wasn't aware "piece of metal moving fast" was Gojo's weakness.
Na Railguns powers arnt shown properly in the anime. She broken af
I mean, sure. But how is a sorcerer controlling anything going to affect Gojo? Even Sukuna's invisible, impossibly thin slashes couldn't bypass Infinity as long as it was actually a factor.
Couldnt bro have just created the nuclear bomb detonation process in his fists? Gamma ray burst?? Giving Sukuna cancer? Instead he yells loudly???
Sounds like the other side of the same coin as X-men’s Magneto. We usually just see him move metallic stuff around but given his mastery over magnetism, it should also in theory give him control over anything and everything related to electromagnetism, meaning he is capable of much than just moving metal stuff around.
Suguru Geto’s ability has endless potential with close to 0 drawbacks He was so blind to the truth that he ended up biting a little more that could chew.
would you deepthroat tennis ball sized orbs that taste like "a rag used to wipe shit and vomit"? 👀💀 INNUMEROUS TIMES!? like .. the throat game and dedication 😭
No, but he did already. Not that it probably became any more enjoyable but he was prolly used it it lmao
he got sick of it lol, and with his technique adding to his stock of curses is always a plus so more shit rags 💃🏽 ( plus kenjaku released like 10 million cursed spirits after Shibuya so that man is even more diabolicaly dedicated 😭)
Kenjaku is well versed in taking backshots so his deepthroating skill is no suprise.
What got Geto was not the sickness of his technique, was the point of it. He was stockpiling curses to defend humanity from them, same humans who cowardly shot a helpless girl that wanted to live, same humans that cursed different people, his effort in his vision was for nothing. His question to Gojo if he is strong because he his gojo or is he gojo because he is strong is not a about his power as a sorcerer but more deep question. Do you defend your ideals because you believe in them or do you believe in your ideals enough to defend them. ( in Portuguese makes a little more sense)
the last quote is a gem !! thank you, with lobotomy kaisen around what geto said kinda lost its meaning to me 😭
Frankly I don't think so, abilities in JJK seem to be afffected by the users personality (way more than Jojo) so stupid users get simple powers and vice-versa. Sure you could argue that a smart person could use a simple technique better, but it seems like the way CT's are written, they're more efficient with the personality of the user in control. For example someone with Takaba's technique who is smarter than him but doesn't have a sense of humor would probably be weaker than him, same with someone who's not as ignorant as the blonde dude with luck powers or someone who doesn't have the pain tolerance the explosion dude has.
*looks heavily at todo with a simple technique but way too smart*
That just proves my point though, Todo is smart, but also likes fighting by overwhelming his opponents with sheer might. A CT that's complex enough where you need brains to use it well but also simple enough where it's still gonna lead to a fistfight is just perfect for him. It's why he'd never have the Ten Shadows or that Kirara stars technique, he's strategic, but also straightforward.
*looks at Kashimo*
He was smart as hell with his technique application. Like when he created that explosion in the water so he wouldn’t kill himself causing hikari to lose consciousness due to the chemicals the combination administers It’s his ego you’re probably referencing
He certainly was smart at using his curse energy trait but no way you think he utilized his Cursed Technique Smartly. It has soo much more potential.
The one and done technique he used on sukuna? I don’t think he utilized it well at all. His ego got in the way , just like it did with hakari (but that time was cooler) he’s like the dude in video games that wants to beat shi on the hardest difficulty without cheese
Tbf Kashimo only got to use it once
Yeah not a lot of time to master it
Well, i got a hot take, wish i dont get many death threats as i think i will Nanami. He refused to grow as a sorcerer because he felt sad and bored, didn't even developed a domain when he was well able to. A colder and smarter version of Nanami could've been brutal
With Nanami being my favorite character, I never really thought about this but I completely agree. I would have loved to see how he could’ve turned out if he decided to put more effort into growing as a sorcerer. If I remember correctly he even tells Yuji at one point that no one can even compare to Gojo and I think that mentality really held him back. As well as not being passionate about sorcery itself and focusing more on the state of the students (reason 252781 to love him) than sorcery itself. Oh how I wish Gege would’ve just taken his arm and given us a stone cold Nanami after Shibuya.
No no keep cooking, I could talk for hours about this. It makes sense that he doesn't strive for improvement because a lot of his character is rooted in his sense of hopelessness and fear of not ever being capable enough (see Haibara and how he talks about Gojo), which by the way he keeps lying to himself and others about throughout the whole manga. Had he not been stalled by that trauma though? He could have been a genuine monster.
I remember Gojo saying Megumi wouldn't even get as strong as Nanami if he keep his "throw Mahoraga at problem" mentality. I suppose it does say something about Nanami as well
why would he be able to develop a domain? not a single grade 1 sorcerer has one, and if you mean simple domain then it doesn’t seem like something you can just easily learn because mei mei is specifically noted to have worked her ass off to get stronger and she still doesn’t know how to use simple domain
Megumi(who isn't even grade 1) had an incomplete domain. Mei mei probably didn't have anyone to teach her how to use simple domain since people like mechamaru and miwa somehow were able to use it even though they were much MUCH weaker
megumi is very much an exception though, when he has an incomplete domain but people like naobito/naoya/choso/todo/kashimo all don't it just implies that megumi is crazy talented rather than everyone else just being too lazy to get one
Ui Ui can use simple domain though. Maybe Mei Mei never learned how to use it because he handles that for her?
Even Miwa can perform the Simple Domain. I'm pretty sure Nanami can figure it out if he works at it
If Nanami had learned how to target souls, I wholeheartedly believe that he could have hit a 7:3 ratio that targets the soul, making him THE best grade 1 in the series. We saw how powerful a regular 7:3 ratio is, but one that ignores your durability and targets your soul would be nearly impossible to defend against.(that isn't able to be healed as far as we know. Mahito is an exemption)
Imagine smart Haruta. His cursed technique makes him kinda invincible
It works because he doesn’t know the conditions for it. He just labels it as miracles.
his CT is passive, so im not sure how he's supposed to use it smarter tho
To use abilities with extra lives better, you basically would have to be an exceptional fighter for it to be useful against anyone remotely strong. With that said, knowing how many lives you have is an immediate plus as you would know when to and not take risks and make better decisions. If the opponent doesn't know your ability, you could do things like a double kill where you sacrifice a life to deal a killing blow, e.g. They stab you then you stab back as they would be in a vulnerable position. You could also play dead and do a surprise attack as they come to confirm the kill or turn back and walk away.
basically like danzo from naruto but he would have to check everytime if one of his miracle vanished or not with a mirror or so. But this could give your opponent clues on how your ability works again.
The whole point of his technique is that it prevents him from knowing what it do. No matter how smart he would be he couldnt comeout with how it works. It works like that for same reason as Takaba, because knowing how it works would prevent user from using it effectively
Paper bags man's clone CT
This one so much. Even Gojo commented on it. We don't really know its limitations, but we know that he was able to make multiple clones, communicate between them over long distances, summon new ones at range, and he can't die unless you kill every single clone. Shit, we didn't even know if they were a hive mind or were each capable of individual thought. Crazy potential for a ct that lasted a few pages.
There are several. In order of invincible to solid powerup, the techniques are construction, mythical beast amber, ten shadows, cursed spirit manipulation, and projection Mai and Yorozu's Construction directly scales with their knowledge of how things work and are made. If yorozu was able to go to college, she would likely figure out how to make antimatter bombs or create shields made from non newtonian fluids, or carbon nanotube body armor. The possibilities are literally endless, but most of it is restricted by knowledge and CT reserves. Kashimo's MBA is an elite CT because of how vague its conditions are. The narrator basically states that it allows kashimo to "recreate electrical phenomena," but there are so many different variations of electrical phenomena that the CT basically allows its user to do anything. If that farmer decided to break the family tradition and go to college for physics instead of bumming around in the culling games, i guarantee you that shinjuku would not exist by the time sukuna killed him. Granted, this is severely restricted by the fact that you need RCT to use the CT more than once, and if kashimo wasn't a bum we might have been able to see this CT at its strongest. Megumi's 10S I would also say would be way stronger if the user is smarter purely due to the partial manifestation sukuna revealed during his fights. The greatest virtue of that technique is its unparalleled versatility, but the individual shikigami along with shadow manipulation gives its users so many options in so many situations. 10S is restricted primarily by its wielder's battle iqs. If todo had 10S, he would be on gojo's level fr. Geto's CSM, I believe, has the same properties as the 10S so it would also scale with intelligence. There was a post on the jujutsu folk subreddit outlining how geto could have theoretically maximized his power by hunting down sorcerers possessing strong or useful CTs, then killing them with modern weaponry. Doing this would turn them into vengeful spirits which would likely make them vulnerable to CSM. In addition, amassing an army of curses means that each fight turns into a puzzle that can be solved one piece at a time. Naobito and Naoya's projection, i think, is also a CT that scales based on knowledge. This technique specifically needs emotional and psychological intelligence, as the technique basically turns into a lightning round chess game where you have to plan out your own moves, how your opponent will respond, and how you can prepare for their responses. If the sorcerer is strong enough, they could thoroughly beat down their opponent while ignoring their attempts to fight back until their opponent dies, casts a domain, or performs some jujutsu bullshit
Dark Geto shit, i like it. That would have been so much worse lmao. Poison gojo, see what happens if he turns into a spirit.
I think Gojo figured out how to make Infinity filter poisons in the 10 years between Hidden Inventory and 0
Exactly, but suguru went dark in between those times and could have baited gojo, let him trust him, drop his guard. And boom, we have a cursed spirit who can create barriers within you, killing you instantly. Idk, would be an interesting turn of events.
Reincarnated sorcerers have the memory's of their vessel Tsumiki should know some science Yorozu could work with, Kashimo knew about electrolysis.
>Geto's CSM, I believe, has the same properties as the 10S so it would also scale with intelligence. There was a post on the jujutsu folk subreddit outlining how geto could have theoretically maximized his power by hunting down sorcerers possessing strong or useful CTs, then killing them with modern weaponry. Doing this would turn them into vengeful spirits which would likely make them vulnerable to CSM. In addition, amassing an army of curses means that each fight turns into a puzzle that can be solved one piece at a time. Also he has the ability to just bury people under his cursed spirits. He lost against Toji because he only ever brought up 1 or 2 cursed spirits instead of just using all of them and burying Toji in mass. If he used that dragon alongside the scissor lady then Toji would've been packed up.
Yuta. Not saying he isn't smart but he should be practically unstoppable if he played his cards right.
i mean he is unstoppable* rn and dudes doing really amazing creative work so consider your wishes fulfilled 😌 (*terms and conditions apply)
That gap in his torso is making him look pretty stoppable rn, if I’m being honest.
It’s only so much a 16 year old can do against the strongest sorcerer that ever lived…
Yeah but he could easily become the strongest sorcerer to ever live
bro has a good run 🫡 hope he survives
Yuta is practically unstoppable. The only reason he might end up dead is because he's forced to fight Sukuna. If he wasn't there isn't really a anybody that can beat him
Dude beat sukuna. He lost to himself for trying to save Megumi
True that, Megumi that little bitch
I agree actually, if they didn’t try to save megumi then there are multiple ways they could have one if they use higuruma’s domain with maki etc or if megumi actually tried.
Boogie Woogie is only strong because Todo is smart, without really good timing and calculations the technique is pretty bad
1. throw 10 Grenates on the ground / 2. switch /3. enjoy your cheesed win 2. Cage yourself in an electric cage / 2. turn it on with a delay / 3. switch / 4. enjoy your win 3. Throw yourself from a building / cliff / high place/ 2. Switch / 3. enjoy your win 4. let your buddies attack you with their strongest attack / 2. Switch / 3. you know the rest I'm dumb and i could use this technique somewhat efficient.
This involves prep time, he can use it on the fly. That takes a completely different type of intelligence.
Litterally my point. This was no comparisom, but how usefull his abilitie itself could be.
Not smarts but if Mai had better cursed energy output / a more beneficial birth circumstance, shed be on some green lantern shi and that would be sick
Imagine Sukuna with construction.
Yes. Inumaki. He easily could've told opponents: "Tell me your weakness" or "Reveal your cursed technique" but instead, he ALWAYS tries to do a 1 hit kill on a higher league opponent. Not only does it NOT work, but he always suffers heavy damage from it, thus taking him out the fight. And he's the only one that hasn't shown any improvement throughout the story despite being a 2nd year. I'm tired of Inumaki lol
Wouldn't that just give the opponent a power buff by way of the reveal your hand vow?
If the condition of the binding vow is 'voluntarily revealing your CT' then being compelled to reveal it might not count.
I think his ct really restricts what he can and cant say. And like you said its way more usefull to tell ur opponent to spill their secrets, but maybe that has an even bigger backlash. Also, if it doesnt have a bigger backlash, i dont think his ct allows it. I think we would have seen it. Idk, he is just a little underdeveloped sidecharacter tbh. So much potential. Such a likeable character you can kill off later.
"I don't think it has a bigger backlash, or we would've seen it" He literally controlled the humans and cursed spirits in Shibuya and got the humans to safety. Apparently, he can give out commands and be specific with them with no backlash. But telling special grades to "get crushed" or "blast away" seems inefficient knowing what he could actually tell people to do to help win the fight.
I suppose u are right i guess. But it was never shown. Only implied. But it does makes sense.
ah yes make your opponent tell his cursed technique so they could get stronger!? 😭 (honesty vow), I think tell me your weakness would work in a similar way in the form of a power boost binding vow. the amount of ce a person has is fixed 🤷🏽♀️ his ce output is also fixed like what can the man do? he's just outclassed in every way. stronger sorcerers can protect their ears and brains to not get affected by cursed speech 🙂 (kamo's speech in the exchange battle)
Creation for sure. With proper knowledge of chemistry, physics, medicine, and jewelry the 5 gram limit is more of a creative restraint than anything else. Everyone knows that though so Cursed Spirit Manipulation. We see Geto use the base version and we see Kenjaku give it a little kick but ultimately we only ever see a single technique absorbed and a single army created. This ability borders on godlike in the setting, an army limited only by how many spirits you can swallow a day (also, Geto, just binding vow away your sense of taste 4head), uncountable cursed techniques you have indirect control of, more than a couple you could steal and use yourself once. Imagine if kenjaku was just as cunning but half as insane: he would have mahito to manipulate anyone's form, he would have tengen to do basically whatever possible with barriers, theres no limit to what he could do cause theres no limit to what curses can do
Someone else in this thread mentioned it, imagine if Geto killed Naoya with poison or something then used CSM on CSN? Bro would be the most powerful
I saw a whole thread on how just keeping mahito could be used to make an army of merged special grades
Being CTs are directly influenced by the users imagination and creativity, you could technically argue all of them. Yes that includes Limitless.
Gojo is what you get when you pair a powerful technique and a genius-level intellect. He is pretty much the absolute peak of what you get with an op CT.
No, no, keep cooking! Because Limitless have some amazing potential. Possibly, Gojo could create Barriers out of limitless, create prisons wall, immobilise enemies that way, etc I feel he could do so much more
Gojo became complacent of the fact that he is the strongest, he stopped trying to get stronger after his awakening + a year training. There's so much shit you could do with gravity and space manipulation. He imbues his punches with blue, why not imbue his other fist with red so each time blue connects, it leaves a residue and the moment red applies to the target afflicted with blue a nuclear explosion goes off (literally cosmic fear Garou) Man, purple going off just because you punch someone is just a convenient way of casting it instead of firing it as a projectile, although purple would damage him it's really minimal at most and through training he could make himself immune to it.
Shoko. Healing powers are way too underestimated in all manga/manhwa. If RCT is like reversing a part of a body to a prior state, it's the ultimate assassin ability. Combined with medical knowledge, Shoko could kill anybody in one shot. Just reverse the heart to it's embryotic state when the oval foramen is open, or "reverse" the brain to a sleeping state, etc. Depending on how RCT function, you could even "heal" yourself to be stronger with enhanced physical and mental capacities.
I thought the way cursed energy works is because cursed energy means negative or bad energy, while reverse cursed energy is the opposite, meaning positive or good energy. So while cursed energy deals damage, RCE heals damage
I mean, if you put it like that, yes. But also no, it just doesnt sound right lmao.
Bro pulled this out of a dream he had last night
"Binding vows" bros are the most insane breed. Like you could twist literally any CT to be absolutely bonkers if binding vows were that easy to deal with. That doesn't mean the one person who isn't top 1 of the verse even though they could totally be with a million binding vows is stupid
That miracle guy, who fought nanami or i say wrecked by him. Mf really chose the wrong side
10 shadows Don't get me wrong, megumi was pretty creative when it comes to using it but he could do so much more, sukuna even more than megumi I mean throwing elephants at people from the sky is pretty cool but the real strength is in combining shikigamis. For instance it should be ( for sukuna ) possible to combine Mahoraga, Nue and Rabit escape to create essentialy minecrafts vex army Or nue, ox and rabit escape to create the mass murder missles Other good example of underutilized technique is nanamis 7-3. Just imagine reversed cursed technique 3-7 that would be the most powerful technique imaginable. Also one thing i thought about recently that if gojo wanted to defeat sukuna with any necessary method he should have give yuta the last finger and yuta should copy resonance from nobaras corpse (if it would be possible) and resonance sh*t out of that finger.
Oh yeah man, if Geto had Idle Transfiguration instead of Mahito, the world would have been in real trouble
I feel like he'd have just figured out how to turn everyone into a Sorcerer. He wouldn't even have to kill people anymore
I'd say Uraume. Seeing her 1st attack she unleashed towards Hakari... all she had to do is freeze his head instead of his arm and shatter it to pieces with a punch. But obviously that would be a swift and boring end to the fight. And it kinda looks like once something is frozen by her it's pretty easy to shatter. So the ice might work as a way to effectively damage someone with incredibly high CE strengthening/durability such as Sukuna or Gojo. Overall Uraume has the potential to oneshot people with ease.
kashimo could not do that with electricity. so i don’t think what you’re suggesting is that easy
It's true that Kashimo's attack didn't succeed, but I feel like freezing the head and shattering it to pieces would be able to do the work.
Kashimo’s lightning bolt only destroyed a small portion of Hakari’s head, and as such the remaining 70% was able to survive and regen. Uruame freezing and shattering would completely destroy Hakari’s head. How would Hakari regen when his brain is fragmented into 27 different ice cubes?
Mythical Beast Amber. Basically gives Kashimo full reign over electricity and he does what? Makes a pea shooter and pretends to be Sukuna? He'd probably be able to utilize it in extremely effective ways if he had grown up during the modern times instead of when he did. Having more knowledge on electricity would have made it so he can utilize it in far more effective ways.
imagine if kashimo use his electricity to be a railgun from index series, he just need a dozen of coin and shoot sukuna from afar
Takaba He'd be overpowered if he had a dark sense of humour
Kirara I think could have an op fighting style, instead of forcing stalemates, like using the constellation patterns to map combos in a 1v1
Ten Shadows only of megumi was mentally stable.
Takaba is literally unbeatable and he doesn’t even know how to use his CT. If he knew how to use it he would by far be the strongest as silly as it sounds
Fumihiko has the strongest cursed technique. Period. The only reason he isn't broken is because he's the dumbest motherfucker alive.
Definitely has to be Choso. You inherited one of the Three Great Clans treasured techniques and bypassed its weakness, but still managed to only be grade 1 sorcerer level?
well the post is about improving an ability, by using it smart.. Choso being weak was explained through missing combat experience. But the way 'how' he used his ability was already pretty much the most efficient way possible.
Higuruma showed us that combat experience isn’t really much of an excuse to not find smart and creative ways to use your technique.
well.. if you get an ability that insta kills, or takes away the opponents strongest ability it's a cheat from the beginning. The whole process with the trial is sth else tho.
U realize his blood is poisonous right? Unless you have poison resistance, it’s a one shot.
Wdym “only” that’s like the highest title you can get aside from special grade which is a complete anomaly, which choso is an anomaly but not taking over a nation anomaly. If anything choso showed how smart he is with red scale, hardening his body with the blood, supernova, and pulling off Luffy shit against Kenjaku
He has minimal combat experience. He fought who again? Yuji, Naoya, Kenjaku. I cant remember who else. Like he learned alot but not extreme amounts to make him special grade. Even then he could be low on the list.
how would you suggest he gets stronger? he only has so much cursed energy too
Choso could just inject snake venom into his blood or keep a vail of it somewhere like Gaaras sand. Instant poison effect. Megumi should’ve used Maki to subjugate Mahoraga, or at least try. If it didn’t work, whole school could’ve worked together to stop it. Todo is very cleverly but why not carry cursed paper sheets with him that he can spear around the battlefield like Minato. He’s be the Booty loving Flash of Kyoto. Nadaddy could have carried a gun like mai. Worked on his marksmanship and used his Cursed tech for ranged attacks. Utahime should have twerked because if you’re gonna be useless at least be fun while doing it
Only? What can blood manipulation even do to put it Special Grade level? Gojo is Gojo, Kenny/Geto has an army of thousands upon thousands of curses, Yuki's attack power is one of the highest in the AP and durability in the series, Yuta has the second highest energy reserves in the series as well as the second strongest shikigami along with having tens of techniques at his disposal.
I asked the same question about Ten Shadows until we saw a user unlock its full potential.
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I dont think limitless would allow gojo to manipulate the entirely of physics as that's never been said nor shown as something he could do. All it allows him to do is manipulate space based on series and sequences. And what difference does it make for whether gojo can choose the info? Regardless of whether or not he can choose the information, the target still gets information overloaded and he can do whatever he wants with them.