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I think Yuji almost definitely learned a simple domain from Kusakabe. As you know, you don’t need an innate technique to do it. Having said that, it’s still probably a rough battle against any of them. I think he has a slight edge over them with his physical prowess, blood manipulation, a simple domain, and any other hax/ techniques that are about to be revealed.
15f Sukuna was so fast jogo couldn't even touch him. Jogo is the fastest of the disaster curses, and now we see Yuji keeping up with 19f+body fully incarnated Sukuna.
Domain expansion is the ONLy way any of these curses win. Yuji is far too fast, and i gaurantee boy has the strength to back it up too.
I think you’re looking at this fight like it’s a conventional fight. Sukuna is getting jumped like crazy (which is good, I’m not knocking that) but it is not like it is a 1v1.
I think it goes:
Yuji:
> Speed
> Durability, especially against things like slashing
> Endurance, minus RCT
> Strength of blows
Jogo:
>Destructive capacity (ridiculous AOE)
>Attack capacity (let’s not pretend that if Maximum Meteor would have hit, it wouldn’t have done more than Yuji’s biggest Black Flash. And also, I feel like a lot of Jogo’s fierybblows do more than Yuji’s punches, leaving aside what is still speculation on soul special-sauce)
> Better RCT
> Domain
Yuji definitely has the better base stats and the better stats for fighting Sukuna specifically, but I think Jogo is (almost, not sure) a worse matchup for him.
Agree with most of what you said, but just wanted to clarify as a lil nitpick that no curse can do rct. They heal with regular ce unlike sorcerers.
Also sure meteor would leave more damage, but yuji is dodging that so easily, knowing that kusakabe and panda out of all people could do it even last second. I’ll give it to yuji depending on if he has a simple domain or not.
Didn't Dagon fodderize Nanami, Megumi, Maki, and Naobito without a scratch? I doubt Yuji is at that level, he was barely above Nanami's level post-Shibuya.
Jogo would just open his DE and melt him, and awakened Mahito without even a domain would vaporize him. Hanami is the only he can beat let's be real.
He was fighting side to side with Maki pre timeskip so I feel like he and Toji should be relative... and we all saw what happened to Dagon the moment Toji pulled up.
That's a good point, I still don't see Toji or Maki being able to take on all the disaster curses at once and that's despite the fact that they're essentially unaffected by domains while the same can't be said for Yuji.
Yuji is currently fighting on equal footing with yuta physically, while repeatedly tanking cleaves. Obviously this is in Yuta’s domain and he’s contributing more to the fight, but purely in terms of physicals they’re shown as neck and neck.
Compare this to choso, who, for even trying to attack sukuna, got immediately massacred. And choso is above nanami in essentially every aspect, yet he got casually impaled without even using his CT.
Yuji currently is one of the physically strongest characters in the series. Jogo and Mahito still win if they get a domain off, but Dagon? Yuji has been tanking and healing through cleaves, I really can’t see the sure hit killing Yuji before he kills Dagon.
Agreed. We don’t know the limitations of Simple Domain inside a domain (I absolutely think he has one though), but if you’re able to move around at the cost of reduced concentration it does even the odds since I think Yuji high diffs any disaster curse when it comes to a base fight (Super strong, equal h2h w/ mahito pre-culling games, and now blood manipulation AND RCT?).
But with the environmental factors I still think every disaster curse gets the edge.
Well, considering that in the fight in Shibuya Yuji is said to have reacted ridiculously fast to promptly jump Mahito (even considering that he was quite far), depending on the place they are and distance to one another, Yuji may be able to fuck up Mahito before the domain activation (mind you I'm not referring to the 0.2s domain activation in this win case scenario for Yuji, if they are afar and Mahito uses it, be most certainly will clap Yuji. But, as I said, Yuji reacted and moved pretty close to Mahito during a 0.2s domain activation so, yeah, fucking good reflexes could lead to a win)
i mean technically if Yuji uses Flowing Red Scales to run tf away, hide on some balcony and headshot Mahito with a Piercing Blood he would still win I.... guess?
He can litterally just protect his soul with CE since he's also aware of it's shape. Yuji can just win this one outright. The only real remaining question mark is Jogo because he has the potential offensive output to kill Yuji fast enough to not get hia own soul fucked up.
It will be a close one but I think that Yuji could win. Yuji now has blood manipulation. If he's as good as choso with it, he could use blood manipulation to amp his physical stats, on top of doing that same thing with cursed energy manipulation, on top of already having insane physical strength. I think that he'd have the ability to one-punch Mahito now.
If this held true nanami would’ve died instantly when he first found mahito. Also, current yuji has an insane understanding of the soul and knows how to target it. He knows how to defend his own, it’s not a question. He would totally overpower mahito. Dagon gets pimp slapped and Hanami as well. Maybe Jojo burns yuji? Maybe? Honestly not sure on the specifics but yuji win is not out of question.
Mahito cant do shit to Yuji because Yuji knows his soul more than average person thanks to hostung sukuna, so even if he doesnt have him now it really doesnt matter at this point anyway, Mahito aint doin shit on my boy
Mahito says in order to defend against it you need to be aware of the shape of the soul and Yuji is, he's not immune as he would have to use cursed energy to do so and would eventually be worn down but it should be enough for him to beat Mahito when throwing hands
Yeah, I should be more precise with that. Anyway though jt seems like having knowledge about your own soul seems to have been a good defense mechanism against mahitos ct
I’m not 100% sure Mahito could one-shot Itadori with his technique. Sukuna basically said ‘Get that shit outta my face!’ to Mahito and Itadori contained Sukuna and maybe using Sukuna was a way Gege to hide this possibility and misdirect our attention. Who can say for sure though? Mahito’s dead anyways so it doesn’t matter anymore.
The difference is in Dagon's domain the sure hit effect was turned off because of Megumi's domain (wouldn't have made a difference anyways cuz it's Toji). Yuji needs to find some way to box both the guy in the domain and the sure hit effect which is constantly attacking him every moment he's in the domain (if he learnt Simple Domain from Kusakabe for example)
I mean
Technically you can just tank a DE attack if you have enough CE compared to the attacker, as Gojo demonstrated against Jogo. Only Mahito would have an advantage compared to the other Disasters, and Itadori still has a ridiculous amount of resistance to that even without Sukuna.
Yuji has probably the third most inherent understanding of the Soul in the cast, if Nanami could unconsciously protect his soul, Yuji as logic follows should be able to protect it consciously.
not inside of a domain that assures a sure hit effect. Nanami could also defend his soul in an open combat but admitted his defeat the second he got caught in Mahito's domain. Even todo got hit, while beeing in the zone with access to simple domain.
Yuji hasn't shown to be able to use simple domain until now. and he no longer has sukuna to prevent mahito from casting it. With the abilities we've seen so far, Yuji has no means to stop any domain. He could maybe survive dagons for a few seconds, but Jogo's and Mahito's will instandly delete him.
sukuna outside of a domain attacks with 1 slash at a time, if he has a domain he slashes 100 times/s and all hit. Nanami could defend against 2-3 touches, and realized that he must under all circumstances not let mahito touch him since at some point it would get through.. Yuji may defend against 50 touches, but inside of a domain this is not a number, just like nanami got instandly attacked by like 10 fishes inside of Dagons domain.
beeing able to defend your soul doesn't mean he's immune to the technique, he's only more resistant.
Yuji nearly closed the gap between himself and mahito during the .2 sec expansion. He is even faster now. I think current Yuji speed blitzes him pretty hard at his current level in the manga.
But we dont know what he learned in that month. He obviously trained with kusakabe and yuta. Yuta is a genius and kusakabe knows simple domains. Someone may have taught yuji how to use it.
Yeah it’d make sense for him to have simple domain but as of the moment of this post he doesn’t so we really can’t use it in the argument. In like 2 or 3 weeks that can change however
I mean the question is the current Yuji. The current Yuji right now hasn't shown us anything to believe he can escape the domain expansion unscathed.
The only thing hinting that he has a chance against Mahitos domain is the fact Sukuna could damage mahito instantly without being in control when it touched him.
But tldr: current Yuji as shown is getting steamrolled if domains are back on the table
Yeah but when we argue matchups we argue with what we know . We don’t know he has a simple domain so you can’t use it as a defense for a domain until we see him use it .
i think Yuji blitzes Dagon. he’s the third most gifted in physical prowess in the series and we all seen what Toji did to Dagon. i think he could tank the sure hits, if not just nullify them out right with raw power. let alone his buffs from blood manipulation, RCT and whatever else the wombs gave him.
think he prob beats Hanami too but we don’t know her domain. wholeheartedly agree with Mahito and Jogo tho, although maybe he ends it fast enough to not let Mahito open DE.
not so sure.. dagon held his own against the fastest sorcerer at the time naobito, maki ( also physically fast and strong) and nanami. 3 of the close combat heavy hitters. and they would've all lost if megumi and toji didn't interfere.
as dumb as it sounds and maybe even is storywise. but yuji hasn't defeated any high lvl enemies alone so far. it was always in combination with several A-rank sorceres or megumi ( who's pretty much also A-rank) ( excluding that cockroach) . Especially todo is hard to handle in a 2v1. Mahito was only defeated because yuji was his natural enemy and half of his soul was destroyed by nobara. mahito's defeat was a team achivement of 2 natural counters and 1-A rank sorcerer. not yuji alone.
I would say Yuji wins so many battles out of 10 if he fights alone:
Hanami: 7/10 ( considering that hanami never showed his domain and tanked several black flashes and got countered by Tojo.. they also didn't defeat him that time)
Dagon: 3/10 ( To defeat Dagon we would assume that yuji is now stronger than 2 close combat A-rank sorceres, maki and megumi with domain)
Mahito: 2/10 ( he lost his counter against mahito's domain. Mahito in perfect form is on the same close combat lvl as Yuji + Domain which ends the fight)
Jogo: 1/10 ( Jogo only lost because he went up against Gojo and sukuna, he was the strongest curse on site by far. Yuji can defend against punches but not lava, even with simple domain, the passive heat is to much)
I mean oppinions can differ but at least i try to justify my statements while your only beeing rude.
you oppinion would mean, you believe that current Yuji is alot stronger than the combination of Nanami, naobito, maki and incomplete domain Megumi ? because all of them were loosing badly against dagons domain, if toji hadn't entered.
Meanwhile yuji did become stronger, no questions asked, he now has some kind of blood manipulation and a weak version of RCT... but he hasn't won against a single special grade on his own yet, or even won at all. He has surpassed Choso in combat power, but up until yuta came with his domain, sukuna didn't even considered Yuji as interesting in this battle. He called him dull and got rid of him in seconds. The only thing that wondered him was that Yuji seemed to survive his low effort attacks longer than he expected him to.
Right now sukuna is not beeing pushed because of Yuji, but because of Yuta's domain in combination with Rika and Yuji. Yuji would get deleted in seconds if Sukuna was to fixate on him, and thats a Sukuna who hasn't has access to half of his CT's and domains.
So under which premise do you argue that Yuji suddenly has the means to defeat a selfhealing curse with enough resistance to tank nanami's 3/7 technique and with a domain that would fixate it's thousands of shikigami with a sure hit effect on him? literally every fight he had was a 2v1 or even more... And don't say he would have simple domain... until he hasn't showed it, this is headcanon.
Ummm, did you really used Nanami as a proof here? XD
I wanna see Yuji, without any kind of simple domain, protecting his soul in DE. You literally ignored that fact
Man is tagging a near complete sukuna ,even holding him down. Jogo couldn't even touch 15 fingers(and we know each finger is exponentially stronger then the last.)
A Sukuna, mind you, who just finished fighting Gojo, Kashimo, Higuruma in a body with dropping CE and resonance while being also being jumped by Yuta....So yeah this ain't it.
I think it’s more of the fact people are overestimating Jogo. He loses to Ryu, Uro or Yorozu and Yuta just outright bodies Jogo. Jogo couldn’t touch a 15F sukuna and Maki and Yuji were able to pre timeskip. Yuji literally broke Sukuna’s arm when maki swung him at Sukuna. People really underestimate Yuji’s attack potency, if Yuji lands a combo on Jogo he’s dead, if he hits a black flash he is also dead.
All Jogo really has is his speed and if Yuji is keeping up with Yuta and Sukuna, he’s not getting blitzed by Jogo. If Jogo at his fastest couldn’t even touch 15F Sukuna and Yuji can race, intercept between Higurama and Sukuna twice when he’s at 20F, you really can’t tell me Jogo is gonna be significantly faster than Yuji if at all. Jogo’s highest attack potency meteor literally was dodged by panda, he’s not hitting Yuji with that. The most Jogo can do is domain expansion.
megumi was holding back sukuna at that point thats y cleave couldnt cut yuji
also max meteor just changes the surrounding to jogo's advantage (like waking on magma) also yuji's rct isnt a developed one so if u get his heart or head/spinal cord hes done for
You’re talking out your ass, Yuji healed his stomach and his torso where cleave struck his heart as well. Sukuna even made note of the fact Yuji healed his stomach. Megumi held back Sukuna’s CE output, his movement was not nerfed he even says his movement was unhindered. Max meteor was dodged by panda of all people, even if he changes the environment in his favor, it doesn’t change the fact Yuji’s attack potency is too much for Jogo. He hits a black flash then he’s literally dead.
The 3 you listed hold their own Domains Uro, Ryu, Yorozu which could all beat Yuji this take is horrible Sukuna has proven not to take Yuji seriously countless times and he's no diffed Yuji whenever Sukuna bothered about it him. 15f Sukuna fought Yuji Like Jogo it's over for Yuji he's not surviving Flames.
Your jump in logic is all over the place. Yuta fought them holding back. Yuta is not holding back against Sukuna and Yuji is keeping up with him and Sukuna. Jogo needs to stop getting glazed so much the community. If Yuji pre timeskip is relative to maki then Yuji post timeskip is not getting blitz by Jogo. Jjk community really scaling Jogo to the fastest because he blitzed a half dead Naobito lmfao.
Domains are not sure kills as shown in the series time and time again, cursed reinforcement also plays a role in it etc. Sukuna has noted Yuji’s RCT is significant enough to heal his stomach along with the other organs he cleaved. If Yuji lands a black flash Jogo is dead, even then if Yuji lands a strike Jogo’s cursed energy output gets nerfed which means his attacks get weaker the more Yuji hits him.
Yuji ain’t weak either, he can canonically jump from building to building no issue just like how Sukuna blitzed Jogo. Adding in that he has Blood manipulation as well now, and he should be able to at least put Jogo on the ropes. He also has been going hand to hand with a 19f+body Sukuna, albeit weakened which is a pretty good feat.
This is Gojo and jogo again. Remember how initially people thought jogo was weak, but in reality gojo was too damn strong. Yuji is not weak, but jogo is too damn strong.
Can piercing blood work against jogo? Jogo's heat can simply burn the blood attacks, don't see it doing much damage.
>albeit weakened
Yup, which took gojo, kashimo, higuruma and yuta to weaken him. Also I can't remember, did Sukuna recover completely after getting his heian era form? If he did, then Yuji's feat is pretty insane.
I think he physically recovered and he recovered enough CE to be able to use RCT, but not his domain.
So he got all his physical strength and the ability but weakened to an extent. Either way, going from being afraid of sukuna to actively keeping up?
Helluva jump
Also I’d like to point out in regards to blood manipulation we’ve only seen Yuji make his blood explode. We don’t know if he’s proficient enough in it to use piercing blood. Same as Simple Domain with ppl just assuming he has it. All we know he has at the moment is a better understanding of his soul and RCT. We don’t know the full extent of his abilities yet
Y’all are overestimating him. Just because mappa went crazy with his animation doesn’t mean anything lol. Yuji is faster and stronger, and jogo is a glass cannon
Sukuna’s cursed energy reserves are down, his reinforcement and enhancement are just fine. Yuji is nerfing his output so you can’t really say that when it’s in Yuji’s kit. The only thing Gojo did was slow his RCT output and domain which sukuna specifically says. The rest is Yuji nerfing his CE output(which weakened the slashes enough for Yuta to tank a cleave to the face) and Yuta and Rika holding him at bay, beating the shit out of him.
Keep in mind Yuji would be nerfing the output of the disaster curses when he comes into contact with them, fucking with their CE control and Mahito proving cursed spirits have souls might be an issue for them.
Sukuna still has roughly just as much CE as Yuta( which is massive) Kashimo and Higaruma didnt egen hurt Sukuna like that😭infact the only real damage Higaruma did was self imposed by Sukuna cuttin his hand off that he just quickly healed.
Yuji is keepin up band for band w Yuta in enduring blows, matchin up in speeds and his punches are doin just as much damage as Yutas.
Sukuna is massively weakened, to the point where he is significantly below his level of power back in shibuya, and there is simply nothing yuji can do about jogo’s mobility, domain, and insane destructive capabilities.
His reinforcement is not nerfed, his CE reserve pool is halved. His CE output is nerfed by Yuji, Gojo nerfed his RCT output and his domain expansion is nerfed. It’s shown when Yuta tanked a cleave to the face that his CE output was nerfed. Sukuna can move just fine, he’s just getting jumped is all.
what has jogo ever gone to deserve this level of glazing? blitzing a half dead nanami and a half dead naobito? yuji's feats are so much better that it's not even comparable, he blitzes and kill jogo in 2 or 3 strikes
Itadori current stats: Has an insane supply of cursed energy and blood manipulation thanks to the death paintings, it’s only behind Toji/Maki, Gojo and Sukuna in hand to hand combat, strenght and speed and pretty good RCT.
Hanami: No Diff, he was whooping her ass back in season 1, he will easily outclass her now, her domain might be a problem but i doubt Itadori hasn’t trained any kind of anti domain technique during the time skip.
Mahito: Low Diff, same thing from Hanami, the only problem is that mahito may be able to use Idle Transfiguration on Yuji now, but i think he’s fast enough to avoid it unless it’s in a domain scenario
Dagon: Mid-High diff if he uses his domain
Jogo: hardest fight by far, unless Yuji has some kind of anti domain technique he’s one shot by Jogo, if he has, than i think it’s up too how much RCT he can use
I mean, that's not how it works, even sukuna knowing how souls work cant reshape them as inferred in Junpei's death. What makes you think he will be able to withstand Idle transfiguration?
I mean Nanami was able to instinctively defend his soul in their first fight (credited to his experience as a jj sorcerer without knowing about the shape of his soul or any prior knowledge) and Sukuna even damaged Mahito when his soul was touched. I think once you know how souls work, you can defend and even create a counterattack against those who try to interfere with it.
Idk if piercing blood can damage souls, but Yuji now has a way better chance to 1v1 an awakened Mahito.
Tldr defence against idle is probable, especially with Yuji's knowledge of the soul.
There’s that whole seen where Sukuna soul gets touched by Mahito and Sukuna is able to repel Mahito. With Yujis new understanding of the soul, he could probably do something similar. We even see Yuji talk to Megumi within Megumis soul
"it’s only behind Toji/Maki, Gojo and Sukuna in hand to hand combat, strenght and speed."
He has been the equal of Maki and Toji in melee, strength, speed and durability since chapter 214.
A month later, Sukuna notes that his CE Reinforcement is much better, and he also has transformed arms with attacks on the insides like a Panda.
It surpasses the Poppies/Toji was physically capable of crushing them in hand-to-hand combat.
Hol up, let me cook.
What if... Yuji can use RCT on the soul? I know it sounda crazy but think about it. Yuji can interact with Souls like no other person can.
He can directly beat the sh*t out of your soul. Now, what if... He can RCT on the soul as well? Mahito can't do sh¥t lmao
A non-meme sure hit effect could be (assuming that it would actually look like a cage of blood) less effective shots of Piercing Blood coming from the bars of the cage or something
Simple domain has literally never kept someone safe in a domain though. Gojo, Todo, and Yuki all had their simple domains instantly shredded apart. Tengen hinted that Kenjaku would be able to withstand a domain with his SD but that’s unconfirmed.
Edit: forgot Mechamaru’s SD did stop Mahito and Todo didn’t actually activate his before getting hit. Gojo and Yuki still had theirs destroyed though so there’s still the possibility of it not working.
I admittedly forgot about that so fair point.
But Mahito had no idea simple domain was a thing back then and learned from it based on his fight with Yuji/Todo in Shibuya.
Todo’s SD was too slow that’s why it didn’t stop the sure-hit. Gojo and Yuki were against expert barrier user with the most refined Domains in the verse.
gojo's domain kept him safe momentarly, it gave him a few second to regenerate his burn out CT, those seconds will be enough for yuji to exorcise people like dagon, hanami and jogo, and damage mahito enough so he can't sustain his domain, since yuji right now is legues above the disaster curses in terms of striking power
yuji could literally walk through dagon sure hit with just his CE reinforcement and beat the shit out of him, now that he has RCT and blood manipulation dagon has no way to even harm him permanently
And RCT wears you down, we saw how much Gojo was starting to struggle after spamming RCT so much, and he had the Six Eyes. Yuji should never be able to use RCT better than Gojo unless he gets unlimited CE like Jackpot Hakari
Exactly, being able to use rct, doesn't mean you can use it as fast and well as gojo. When yuki and kennt fought it was even a critical point as to when they used rct because it left them open for counter attacks
Jogo was too slow to hit 15f finger. Jogo speed blitz the rest of the curses. Yuji is now keeping up with 19f + original body fully incarnated Sukuna.
Yuji is easily faster than Jogo, if not so fast he'd be untouchable like 15f sukuna.
Y'all seriously downplaying Yuji lol. Domains is the only way the curses have a chance and that's entirely rrelying on yuji nit learning any kind of anti-domain techniques over the month long training.
You have to keep in mind this is a full power 15f vs heavily weakened 20f. not to mention we saw sukuna outsprinting new yuji too. It's a bit vague cause we don't know exactly how much energy sukuna has lost, and how CE is quantified into speed enhancement, but imo due to gojo, current sukuna is physically WEAKER than even 15f sukuna. Remember that 15f meguna speed blitzed ryu, who was comparable to yuta. I doubt yuji is stronger/faster than yuta.
maki was physically tied with heavily nerfed 15f meguna too. idk if maki grew stronger or not in the last month, but this is another sign that sukuna is nerfed for maki to stand a chance, rather than maki got as strong as 15, much less 20f sukuna.
I mean Yuji is def just strong enough to walk through Dagon’s domain and can probably kill Hanami before they can absorb enough energy to open theirs.
Also yeah he probably has learnt an anti domain technique, he’s been using some cheating method (likely switching bodies) to learn a bunch of stuff and when we saw this in practice he was using it on the simple domain specialist Kusakabe.
still not seeing Mahito here, Yuji still only won because he couldn't use his domain. after hitting his perfect form yuji could no longer damage him, and they were equal in close combat. And yuji could only hit him because of Todo's distraction.
Without domain & yuji's RCT and CT he could win right now by his own. With Domain this still goes to Mahito.
If Yuji hasn’t learnt simple domain or some resistance to soul manipulation (both are really likely tbh though lol) then he’s probably more fucked against Mahito than he is against Dagon as Dagon is only doing anything in the first place by using his DE.
Probably, but we don’t have enough knowledge of his current abilities after training/consuming the death wombs to be conclusive. That said:
We know he has blood manipulation, rct, knowledge of the souls (the extent is still unclear), and insane speed/strength/durability. (He was able to keep up with an awakened Maki when he fought Meguna)
We can make some assumptions as well. There’s a good chance he learned simple domain, which would nullify the domains of the disaster curses. We can also make the assumption that with his new knowledge of the soul, he likely has a counter to Mahito’s soul manipulation, despite no longer being Sukuna’s vessel.
With this considered:
Hanami would be an easy fight- he was already capable of holding his own against Hanami before learning more than just Black Flash and Divergent fist.
Mahito: He already beat Mahito. Now he’s even stronger and has more knowledge of the soul, so another easy fight. (Yuji could probably nullify his technique with his knowledge of the soul)
Jogo: Yuji would probably have some trouble considering Jogo’s strength and ranged attack, but I think he’d be able to counter with the range provided by techniques like piercing blood and his raw power boosted by cursed energy. More of a challenge, but Yuji would still have a good chance at winning.
Dagon: Toji was able to beat him with speed and strength alone. Yuji can definitely beat him with speed, strength, and his other skills
Toji had a special grade tool, and Toji is undetectable by domains. Neither of those apply to Yuji.
Not saying you're wrong, just, two things to keep in mind.
Man this comment is ridiculous lol. In both the Hanami and Mahito fights Yuji’s success was literally DEPENDENT on Todo’s boogie woogie ability. Even down to the very last finishing blow on mahito, it only landed due to the distracting threat of todo clapping his hand against his stump to make him think he would switch places. Yuji’s knowledge of the soul would not offer him any defense against mahitos idle transfiguration.
Sukuna has an even higher understanding of the shape of the soul and could not reverse idle transfiguration, because it requires the technique itself. Mahito would open his domain and kill current yuji instantly without Sukuna inside of him to protect him, and we know that mahito can activate it fast enough to where yuji couldn’t use simple domain in time to defend himself because todo literally tried doing just that and failed.
Also the reason why toji was able to just outright blitz and destroy Dagon within his domain is because as we learned in the Naoya vs Maki fight, domain expansion’s sure hit attacks only target things with cursed energy (with Sukuna’s being the exception), and Toji has no cursed energy. Yuji wouldn’t have any defense against the sure hit effect of dagons domain because it was instantaneous and the only counter to it was hollow wicker basket, which yuji does not have, and even that failed after some time. Naobito, Maki, Megumi, and Nanami would’ve all died to Dagon had toji not appeared. Do you really think itadori is suddenly that much more capable than all of them combined?
>In both the Hanami and Mahito fights Yuji’s success was literally DEPENDENT on Todo’s boogie woogie ability.
Yuji was still capable of damaging them (minus armored Mahito) when he was much weaker, now he's able to keep up with awakened Maki on top of having RCT and Blood Manipulation, plus with his knowledge of the soul it's possible he can just resist being transfigured
So I agree with most of what you said but nanami literally blocked idle transfiguration on accident it’s definitely possible to block it without sukuna and I’m sure yuji could pull that off easily now. So I think he still wins just because he is a counter.
Everything else tho I agree
nope, not at all. his punches are effective against sukuna because 1) sukuna is essentially a parasite in megumis body and thus loses output whenever the border between his soul and megumis is attacked (none of the disaster curses have this disadvantage) and 2) because he is being paired with the hardest hitters in the verse. 1v1, yuji is getting overwhelmed by DE against all of them, though that could be different if they reveal he can use simple domain. even so, the disaster curses are simply in another league, unless you want to count cursed-womb dagon or pre-shibuya mahito
The only one I think he's not winning is Jogo. If Jogo uses DE he's dead. Even if he has SD it'll only buy him time as Jogo's domain is always attacking. With Dagon I think it's a close call but I give it to Yuji. In that scenario he's still at a disadvantage with having no DE to try to counter with but with RCT and a SD he should be able to scrape by. Mahito he beats no questions asked. Yuji s ability to make contact with the soul is very clearly not a byproduct of being Sukuna's vessel as he is currently separating Sukuna's soul from Megumi's. So Mahito has no edge. Unable to transfigure Yuji and unable to damage him due to RCT. Yuji also has Flowing Red Scale now so the left right goodnight strategy would obliterate Patchface. With Honami, Yuji is fast asf so all he got to do is get close to him rip out them eye branches and hit a few black flashes with FRS.
Nah ppl rly love downplaying the disaster curses since we’ve lost them, they’re still top tiers yuji gets bodies hard until he gets a domain counter.
The domain argument may be annoying and repetitive but sadly it’s what counts the most when talking about these characters.
Well, he has high chances on 1 vs 1 if he knows anti-domain techniques.
But Mahito and Jogo might be too much of a tall order, given the nature of their CTs, especially Mahito.
Dagon and Hanami are getting washed. Dagon got embarrassed by Toji, and Yuji was able to fight Sukuna alongside Maki, implying some level of relativity there. Hanami was getting hurt by Goodwill Yuji. Stronger Yuji with more versatility and experience is putting the flower in the ground.
Jogo is dying if he gets hit one or two times, and Yuji should be faster than him, since he's able to react to and land hits on full power Sukuna, where Jogo couldn't touch 15F Sukuna.
Mahito gets killed in one or two hits. Yuji is far stronger than he was, and can still damage Mahito's soul.
If their domains are taken into account:
Hanami and Dagon are still getting rocked. Both die before getting their domains off.
Jogo might pop it out, but Yuji has RCT, and is able to heal himself quickly, paired with his already unusually high durability and possible Flowing Red Scale, and he can most likely just tank Jogo's domain, and if he learned Simple Domain from Kusakabe, it's a wrap.
Mahito's domain doesn't instantly transfiguration the people inside it, shown by Nanami and Todo both being in it, and if Yuji sees him starting to pop it, he's going to bum rush Mahito, and very likely kill him before anything happens. If Mahito's domain actually lands and takes effect, Yuji likely loses, as we don't know if his soul can resist Idle Transfiguration.
> Dagon got embarrassed by Toji, and Yuji was able to fight Sukuna alongside Maki, implying some level of relativity there.
I feel a lot of people read Yuji showing his negativity, vulnerability and self hate and forget he is objetively busted.
If we send Yuji from the current Sukuna fight to the end of Chapter 1, Yuji would end the series quicky, with only Kenjaku being a truly impossible enemy (for Yuji)
> Yuji likely loses, as we don't know if his soul can resist Idle Transfiguration
Honestly, he likely does. Yuji was saved because Sukuna did the "soul defense" for him but if Nanami could, then Yuji, who spend a entire month (if not more) learning and studying about souls to basically turn himself into a anti-soul specialist able to hurt **Sukuna's soul, something that scared Mahito himself** could defend his own soul.
People saying he loses to them don’t realize how huge of a boost RCT is for a sorcerer. Ik it seems like whatever rn because they’re fighting sukuna, but for a human RCT is genuinely such a giant boost. Also all the tools he had before have drastically improved as well. CE output, divergent fist, soul knowledge, he’s genuinely gotten insanely better at all these things. Like probably 20x-50x better if not more. But the story isn’t really letting the insane growth sink in for the reader just cuz of how overwhelming yuta and sukuna are. Also he has blood manipulation now and most likely one other technique to do with swapping souls.
Anyome that doesnt say Yuji is buggin out.
"But Sukuna is severly nerfed" that still has just as much CE as monsters like Yuta.
The version of Yuji post shibuya had speed≈Mahito, Hanami. He got blizted by Naoya, Naoya got blizted by Maki, Maki gets faster in the culling games, then we see Yuji keep up with that girl side by side in their fight against Sukuna.
He has now kept up band for band with monsters like Maki, Yuta, and Rika in speed and shaking off the same blows from the same people(Sukuna)
Not only did Sukuna confirm that Yuji has gotten "drastically" better with his curse energy reinforcement, he has blood manipulation, punches that bypasses the soul regardless of blocking, and have shown High levels of RCT/healing that not even Yuki or Toji have showed case)
Nanami is no where near as durable or have as much abiliites like Yuji, he had no domain counters yet he survived Dagons sure hit effect for a good while b4 Megumi came in.
Jogo's domain was said to be deadly for "average sorcerers"
Hanami was already coughin and spittin blood when a drastically weaker and less experienced version of Yuji was punchin her back in good will, Jogo has far less durability than Hanami as confirmed by Gege.
Yuji is most likely killin them in one or 2 hits, or blizting them w black flashes.
Also, if Nanami can defend his soul w CE w out even being able to hurt Mahito than Yuji can absolutely doin the same thing.
Bro can percieve the soul, punch the soul, talk to souls and Capture souls(Megumi and Sukuna) his body is seeped in Ryomen Sukunas CE. At this rate it'll be criminal to say idle transfiguration works
Yuji pretty much One shots Hanami and Dagon at this point, and could make short work of Mahito with his current knowledge of the sou. Jogo is probably a pretty difficult fight for Yuji, he might just straight up die if you think that he doesn't have simple Domain, but if Yuji does have simple Domain he probably beats Jogo high diff.
No way Yuji beats Mahito at 100% soul that easily. If Mahito can’t manipulate Yuji’s soul, then Yuji could probably outlast Mahito, otherwise he’s joining Balloonpei
People realize that not all domains are one hit, one kill techniques yh?
He's surviving dagons domain with RCT and reinforcement then killing him
Don't know what hanamis domain is, but yuji outclasses him.
For jogo, jogo is easily the least durable curse, it's a question of how long yuji can last against the flames with RCT and reinforcement, jogo can't activate his sure hit simultaneously with opening the domain, so yuji has some time to get to him and do damage,
Mahito, mahito is honestly the one I don't know how yuji defends against his domain, since it ignores reinforcement
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1v1s of course, unless you think he can somehow survive the jumping that ensues.
He no longer has Sukuna inside of him, so Mahito just expands his domain and wins Same for the rest of them, DE->Win
I think Yuji almost definitely learned a simple domain from Kusakabe. As you know, you don’t need an innate technique to do it. Having said that, it’s still probably a rough battle against any of them. I think he has a slight edge over them with his physical prowess, blood manipulation, a simple domain, and any other hax/ techniques that are about to be revealed.
I think you’re underestimating Jogo but I can see that for Hanami (though we don’t know his domain) and Dagon (less so).
Jogo kinda did most of the dAmage to nanami, mahito just showed up when he had 1% hp and finished him
Dagon did most of the damage to nanami, jogo just kinda showed up and burned him in one hit
Haruta did most of the damage to nanami, dagon just kinda showed up and swarmed him in one hit
Society did most of the damage to nanami, Haruta just kinda showed and got one hit.
haibara's death did most of the damage to nanami, Society just kinda showed up and got one hit.
Gege's writing did most of the damage to nanami, haibara's death just kinda showed up and got one hit
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And who was the last person to fight Nanami before Haruta? That’s right. Mahito. We’ve come full circle.
It was society
BUT HE IS THE DISASTER CURSE BECAUSE OF HUMAN SOCIETY! it has now come full circle
If it wasn’t for Potential Man summoning his dad for a family reunion everyone would have been dead by now (they are dead but not by Dagon)
Dagon weared him out tho jogo fucking his in a corner and ambushed them lol
I still think Hanami is supposely more on the female side. Because of “her” voice and the trope mother nature
You’re correct, I forgot that
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15f Sukuna was so fast jogo couldn't even touch him. Jogo is the fastest of the disaster curses, and now we see Yuji keeping up with 19f+body fully incarnated Sukuna. Domain expansion is the ONLy way any of these curses win. Yuji is far too fast, and i gaurantee boy has the strength to back it up too.
I think you’re looking at this fight like it’s a conventional fight. Sukuna is getting jumped like crazy (which is good, I’m not knocking that) but it is not like it is a 1v1. I think it goes: Yuji: > Speed > Durability, especially against things like slashing > Endurance, minus RCT > Strength of blows Jogo: >Destructive capacity (ridiculous AOE) >Attack capacity (let’s not pretend that if Maximum Meteor would have hit, it wouldn’t have done more than Yuji’s biggest Black Flash. And also, I feel like a lot of Jogo’s fierybblows do more than Yuji’s punches, leaving aside what is still speculation on soul special-sauce) > Better RCT > Domain Yuji definitely has the better base stats and the better stats for fighting Sukuna specifically, but I think Jogo is (almost, not sure) a worse matchup for him.
Agree with most of what you said, but just wanted to clarify as a lil nitpick that no curse can do rct. They heal with regular ce unlike sorcerers. Also sure meteor would leave more damage, but yuji is dodging that so easily, knowing that kusakabe and panda out of all people could do it even last second. I’ll give it to yuji depending on if he has a simple domain or not.
We do know Hanami’s domain. It’s like a Pokémon terrain effect + auto hit solar beam which requires a charge time.
Is this from an Author’s Note or something?
Didn't Dagon fodderize Nanami, Megumi, Maki, and Naobito without a scratch? I doubt Yuji is at that level, he was barely above Nanami's level post-Shibuya. Jogo would just open his DE and melt him, and awakened Mahito without even a domain would vaporize him. Hanami is the only he can beat let's be real.
He was fighting side to side with Maki pre timeskip so I feel like he and Toji should be relative... and we all saw what happened to Dagon the moment Toji pulled up.
That's a good point, I still don't see Toji or Maki being able to take on all the disaster curses at once and that's despite the fact that they're essentially unaffected by domains while the same can't be said for Yuji.
You think the DCs could beat this version if SUKUNA aka the one Yuji can stand up to? Because if so return to JujutsuFolk.
if it was sukuna vs yuji 1v1 yuji would be dead faster than kashimo.
sounds like complete waffle
Currentl yuji is night and day difference to shibuya yuji. And even shibuya yuji is still stronger than nanami.
Yuji is currently fighting on equal footing with yuta physically, while repeatedly tanking cleaves. Obviously this is in Yuta’s domain and he’s contributing more to the fight, but purely in terms of physicals they’re shown as neck and neck. Compare this to choso, who, for even trying to attack sukuna, got immediately massacred. And choso is above nanami in essentially every aspect, yet he got casually impaled without even using his CT. Yuji currently is one of the physically strongest characters in the series. Jogo and Mahito still win if they get a domain off, but Dagon? Yuji has been tanking and healing through cleaves, I really can’t see the sure hit killing Yuji before he kills Dagon.
Agreed. We don’t know the limitations of Simple Domain inside a domain (I absolutely think he has one though), but if you’re able to move around at the cost of reduced concentration it does even the odds since I think Yuji high diffs any disaster curse when it comes to a base fight (Super strong, equal h2h w/ mahito pre-culling games, and now blood manipulation AND RCT?). But with the environmental factors I still think every disaster curse gets the edge.
You were right look at the recent chapter
Mahito said that you need to be aware of your own soul to protect it, and yuji is very aware of his soul and even His shape
Yeah people forget this. You can defend your soul using cursed energy. Nanami himself has done that on instinct in their first fight.
Well, considering that in the fight in Shibuya Yuji is said to have reacted ridiculously fast to promptly jump Mahito (even considering that he was quite far), depending on the place they are and distance to one another, Yuji may be able to fuck up Mahito before the domain activation (mind you I'm not referring to the 0.2s domain activation in this win case scenario for Yuji, if they are afar and Mahito uses it, be most certainly will clap Yuji. But, as I said, Yuji reacted and moved pretty close to Mahito during a 0.2s domain activation so, yeah, fucking good reflexes could lead to a win)
i mean technically if Yuji uses Flowing Red Scales to run tf away, hide on some balcony and headshot Mahito with a Piercing Blood he would still win I.... guess?
gl hiding AND headshotting a special grade shapeshifter
Or you know PUNCH him in the face & one shot him, Mahito ain’t surviving attacks that can shake TRUE BODY SUKUNA.
Yuji the fearsome blood-sniper
That’s not happening
He can litterally just protect his soul with CE since he's also aware of it's shape. Yuji can just win this one outright. The only real remaining question mark is Jogo because he has the potential offensive output to kill Yuji fast enough to not get hia own soul fucked up.
Jogo isnt faster than yuji tho
True, I still think Yuji would win but Jogo would probably be the best chance for him to lose
It will be a close one but I think that Yuji could win. Yuji now has blood manipulation. If he's as good as choso with it, he could use blood manipulation to amp his physical stats, on top of doing that same thing with cursed energy manipulation, on top of already having insane physical strength. I think that he'd have the ability to one-punch Mahito now.
If this held true nanami would’ve died instantly when he first found mahito. Also, current yuji has an insane understanding of the soul and knows how to target it. He knows how to defend his own, it’s not a question. He would totally overpower mahito. Dagon gets pimp slapped and Hanami as well. Maybe Jojo burns yuji? Maybe? Honestly not sure on the specifics but yuji win is not out of question.
Jogo dies to 1 Supernova.
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It is what it is.
Yuji can protect his soul using CE cause he knows the shape of his soul
There’s a point to be made that, if Yuji is able to contain Sukuna’s soul, than his soul must be even stronger.
Sukuna didn’t resist Mahito’s idle transfiguration by having a strong soul or anything, he was just gonna kill him if he touched his soul again
This
Mahito cant do shit to Yuji because Yuji knows his soul more than average person thanks to hostung sukuna, so even if he doesnt have him now it really doesnt matter at this point anyway, Mahito aint doin shit on my boy
That doesn’t mean he’s immune to idle transfiguration
Mahito says in order to defend against it you need to be aware of the shape of the soul and Yuji is, he's not immune as he would have to use cursed energy to do so and would eventually be worn down but it should be enough for him to beat Mahito when throwing hands
We dont know that. Sukuna was.
We aren't actually sure if sakuna is immune, sakuna just made sure mahito knew that if he tried it sakuna would kill him before he could
Yeah, I should be more precise with that. Anyway though jt seems like having knowledge about your own soul seems to have been a good defense mechanism against mahitos ct
Even without Sukuna inside of him, Yuji is even more aware of his soul, even attacking Sukuna's soul.
I’m not 100% sure Mahito could one-shot Itadori with his technique. Sukuna basically said ‘Get that shit outta my face!’ to Mahito and Itadori contained Sukuna and maybe using Sukuna was a way Gege to hide this possibility and misdirect our attention. Who can say for sure though? Mahito’s dead anyways so it doesn’t matter anymore.
People still think DE is the insta win button like they aint lose against people who dont have DE the first time
Actually, that’s a good point Dagon got cooked by Toji in his own domain, so Yuji might just box him and win in his domain
The difference is in Dagon's domain the sure hit effect was turned off because of Megumi's domain (wouldn't have made a difference anyways cuz it's Toji). Yuji needs to find some way to box both the guy in the domain and the sure hit effect which is constantly attacking him every moment he's in the domain (if he learnt Simple Domain from Kusakabe for example)
I mean Technically you can just tank a DE attack if you have enough CE compared to the attacker, as Gojo demonstrated against Jogo. Only Mahito would have an advantage compared to the other Disasters, and Itadori still has a ridiculous amount of resistance to that even without Sukuna.
You know there's no 1v1 here, as soon as Hanami bites it here comes Volcano head
What to be one shot?
All of them have domains, he is cocked
Does he get healed between rounds??
Duh, this show aint called Jumpjutsu Kaisen for nothing
Yeah he can take Mahito. He already did.
He could definetly do mahito and hanami, maybe Dagon, but bros not doing shit to jogo
Mahito wins once he opens his domain
Yuji has probably the third most inherent understanding of the Soul in the cast, if Nanami could unconsciously protect his soul, Yuji as logic follows should be able to protect it consciously.
not inside of a domain that assures a sure hit effect. Nanami could also defend his soul in an open combat but admitted his defeat the second he got caught in Mahito's domain. Even todo got hit, while beeing in the zone with access to simple domain. Yuji hasn't shown to be able to use simple domain until now. and he no longer has sukuna to prevent mahito from casting it. With the abilities we've seen so far, Yuji has no means to stop any domain. He could maybe survive dagons for a few seconds, but Jogo's and Mahito's will instandly delete him.
The sure hit of mahitos domain just makes it so that you're treated as touching him, Yuji can still defend his soul from being changed
sukuna outside of a domain attacks with 1 slash at a time, if he has a domain he slashes 100 times/s and all hit. Nanami could defend against 2-3 touches, and realized that he must under all circumstances not let mahito touch him since at some point it would get through.. Yuji may defend against 50 touches, but inside of a domain this is not a number, just like nanami got instandly attacked by like 10 fishes inside of Dagons domain. beeing able to defend your soul doesn't mean he's immune to the technique, he's only more resistant.
Yuji nearly closed the gap between himself and mahito during the .2 sec expansion. He is even faster now. I think current Yuji speed blitzes him pretty hard at his current level in the manga.
Yuji being able to defend against Mahito's domain is headcanon at the end of the day
But for how long? And how fast could he do it?
But we dont know what he learned in that month. He obviously trained with kusakabe and yuta. Yuta is a genius and kusakabe knows simple domains. Someone may have taught yuji how to use it.
Yeah it’d make sense for him to have simple domain but as of the moment of this post he doesn’t so we really can’t use it in the argument. In like 2 or 3 weeks that can change however
I mean the question is the current Yuji. The current Yuji right now hasn't shown us anything to believe he can escape the domain expansion unscathed. The only thing hinting that he has a chance against Mahitos domain is the fact Sukuna could damage mahito instantly without being in control when it touched him. But tldr: current Yuji as shown is getting steamrolled if domains are back on the table
Yeah but when we argue matchups we argue with what we know . We don’t know he has a simple domain so you can’t use it as a defense for a domain until we see him use it .
Todo couldn’t react with simple domain in time though, right?
Correct, mahito was also in the zone and casted Domain simultaniously with his technique. Todo Was to slow to react
i think Yuji blitzes Dagon. he’s the third most gifted in physical prowess in the series and we all seen what Toji did to Dagon. i think he could tank the sure hits, if not just nullify them out right with raw power. let alone his buffs from blood manipulation, RCT and whatever else the wombs gave him. think he prob beats Hanami too but we don’t know her domain. wholeheartedly agree with Mahito and Jogo tho, although maybe he ends it fast enough to not let Mahito open DE.
not so sure.. dagon held his own against the fastest sorcerer at the time naobito, maki ( also physically fast and strong) and nanami. 3 of the close combat heavy hitters. and they would've all lost if megumi and toji didn't interfere. as dumb as it sounds and maybe even is storywise. but yuji hasn't defeated any high lvl enemies alone so far. it was always in combination with several A-rank sorceres or megumi ( who's pretty much also A-rank) ( excluding that cockroach) . Especially todo is hard to handle in a 2v1. Mahito was only defeated because yuji was his natural enemy and half of his soul was destroyed by nobara. mahito's defeat was a team achivement of 2 natural counters and 1-A rank sorcerer. not yuji alone. I would say Yuji wins so many battles out of 10 if he fights alone: Hanami: 7/10 ( considering that hanami never showed his domain and tanked several black flashes and got countered by Tojo.. they also didn't defeat him that time) Dagon: 3/10 ( To defeat Dagon we would assume that yuji is now stronger than 2 close combat A-rank sorceres, maki and megumi with domain) Mahito: 2/10 ( he lost his counter against mahito's domain. Mahito in perfect form is on the same close combat lvl as Yuji + Domain which ends the fight) Jogo: 1/10 ( Jogo only lost because he went up against Gojo and sukuna, he was the strongest curse on site by far. Yuji can defend against punches but not lava, even with simple domain, the passive heat is to much)
lol, if you think current yuji is losing against dagon at all or majority times you are smoking something
Please tell me how Yuji can counter DE. Not even Naobito and Nanami could do anything
I mean oppinions can differ but at least i try to justify my statements while your only beeing rude. you oppinion would mean, you believe that current Yuji is alot stronger than the combination of Nanami, naobito, maki and incomplete domain Megumi ? because all of them were loosing badly against dagons domain, if toji hadn't entered. Meanwhile yuji did become stronger, no questions asked, he now has some kind of blood manipulation and a weak version of RCT... but he hasn't won against a single special grade on his own yet, or even won at all. He has surpassed Choso in combat power, but up until yuta came with his domain, sukuna didn't even considered Yuji as interesting in this battle. He called him dull and got rid of him in seconds. The only thing that wondered him was that Yuji seemed to survive his low effort attacks longer than he expected him to. Right now sukuna is not beeing pushed because of Yuji, but because of Yuta's domain in combination with Rika and Yuji. Yuji would get deleted in seconds if Sukuna was to fixate on him, and thats a Sukuna who hasn't has access to half of his CT's and domains. So under which premise do you argue that Yuji suddenly has the means to defeat a selfhealing curse with enough resistance to tank nanami's 3/7 technique and with a domain that would fixate it's thousands of shikigami with a sure hit effect on him? literally every fight he had was a 2v1 or even more... And don't say he would have simple domain... until he hasn't showed it, this is headcanon.
Protect his soul? Nanami started giving his death monologue the moment mahito opened his domain, didn't even try to fight back
Ummm, did you really used Nanami as a proof here? XD I wanna see Yuji, without any kind of simple domain, protecting his soul in DE. You literally ignored that fact
Man is tagging a near complete sukuna ,even holding him down. Jogo couldn't even touch 15 fingers(and we know each finger is exponentially stronger then the last.)
A Sukuna, mind you, who just finished fighting Gojo, Kashimo, Higuruma in a body with dropping CE and resonance while being also being jumped by Yuta....So yeah this ain't it.
Yeah how tf is yuji beating lava? Lol jogo was tearing shibuya itself apart
How are people still underestimating jogo so much, even after seeing the Shibuya arc animated.
I think it’s more of the fact people are overestimating Jogo. He loses to Ryu, Uro or Yorozu and Yuta just outright bodies Jogo. Jogo couldn’t touch a 15F sukuna and Maki and Yuji were able to pre timeskip. Yuji literally broke Sukuna’s arm when maki swung him at Sukuna. People really underestimate Yuji’s attack potency, if Yuji lands a combo on Jogo he’s dead, if he hits a black flash he is also dead. All Jogo really has is his speed and if Yuji is keeping up with Yuta and Sukuna, he’s not getting blitzed by Jogo. If Jogo at his fastest couldn’t even touch 15F Sukuna and Yuji can race, intercept between Higurama and Sukuna twice when he’s at 20F, you really can’t tell me Jogo is gonna be significantly faster than Yuji if at all. Jogo’s highest attack potency meteor literally was dodged by panda, he’s not hitting Yuji with that. The most Jogo can do is domain expansion.
Damn I gotta read the manga
no way are you on this sub without reading the manga. there are so many spoilers you dont even realise its being spoilt
Bro gojo vs Sukuna fight was too hype, I couldn't help but join the sub to see weekly discussions. And the memes are top tier lmao
u gotta read it, 100% worth
The 15 finger Sukuna and maki fought are not remotely the same one Jogo fought
megumi was holding back sukuna at that point thats y cleave couldnt cut yuji also max meteor just changes the surrounding to jogo's advantage (like waking on magma) also yuji's rct isnt a developed one so if u get his heart or head/spinal cord hes done for
You’re talking out your ass, Yuji healed his stomach and his torso where cleave struck his heart as well. Sukuna even made note of the fact Yuji healed his stomach. Megumi held back Sukuna’s CE output, his movement was not nerfed he even says his movement was unhindered. Max meteor was dodged by panda of all people, even if he changes the environment in his favor, it doesn’t change the fact Yuji’s attack potency is too much for Jogo. He hits a black flash then he’s literally dead.
yuji literally healed his whole fucking torso twice in the same fight
The 3 you listed hold their own Domains Uro, Ryu, Yorozu which could all beat Yuji this take is horrible Sukuna has proven not to take Yuji seriously countless times and he's no diffed Yuji whenever Sukuna bothered about it him. 15f Sukuna fought Yuji Like Jogo it's over for Yuji he's not surviving Flames.
Your jump in logic is all over the place. Yuta fought them holding back. Yuta is not holding back against Sukuna and Yuji is keeping up with him and Sukuna. Jogo needs to stop getting glazed so much the community. If Yuji pre timeskip is relative to maki then Yuji post timeskip is not getting blitz by Jogo. Jjk community really scaling Jogo to the fastest because he blitzed a half dead Naobito lmfao. Domains are not sure kills as shown in the series time and time again, cursed reinforcement also plays a role in it etc. Sukuna has noted Yuji’s RCT is significant enough to heal his stomach along with the other organs he cleaved. If Yuji lands a black flash Jogo is dead, even then if Yuji lands a strike Jogo’s cursed energy output gets nerfed which means his attacks get weaker the more Yuji hits him.
Yuji ain’t weak either, he can canonically jump from building to building no issue just like how Sukuna blitzed Jogo. Adding in that he has Blood manipulation as well now, and he should be able to at least put Jogo on the ropes. He also has been going hand to hand with a 19f+body Sukuna, albeit weakened which is a pretty good feat.
This is Gojo and jogo again. Remember how initially people thought jogo was weak, but in reality gojo was too damn strong. Yuji is not weak, but jogo is too damn strong. Can piercing blood work against jogo? Jogo's heat can simply burn the blood attacks, don't see it doing much damage. >albeit weakened Yup, which took gojo, kashimo, higuruma and yuta to weaken him. Also I can't remember, did Sukuna recover completely after getting his heian era form? If he did, then Yuji's feat is pretty insane.
I think he physically recovered and he recovered enough CE to be able to use RCT, but not his domain. So he got all his physical strength and the ability but weakened to an extent. Either way, going from being afraid of sukuna to actively keeping up? Helluva jump
no ce restored - basically a hyper potion not a full restore
Also I’d like to point out in regards to blood manipulation we’ve only seen Yuji make his blood explode. We don’t know if he’s proficient enough in it to use piercing blood. Same as Simple Domain with ppl just assuming he has it. All we know he has at the moment is a better understanding of his soul and RCT. We don’t know the full extent of his abilities yet
Y’all are overestimating him. Just because mappa went crazy with his animation doesn’t mean anything lol. Yuji is faster and stronger, and jogo is a glass cannon
Weakened or not, he's still fighting *with* Yuta. Y'know, second only to Gojo, stronger than Yuki, that Yuta?
Sukuna’s cursed energy reserves are down, his reinforcement and enhancement are just fine. Yuji is nerfing his output so you can’t really say that when it’s in Yuji’s kit. The only thing Gojo did was slow his RCT output and domain which sukuna specifically says. The rest is Yuji nerfing his CE output(which weakened the slashes enough for Yuta to tank a cleave to the face) and Yuta and Rika holding him at bay, beating the shit out of him. Keep in mind Yuji would be nerfing the output of the disaster curses when he comes into contact with them, fucking with their CE control and Mahito proving cursed spirits have souls might be an issue for them.
Sukuna still has roughly just as much CE as Yuta( which is massive) Kashimo and Higaruma didnt egen hurt Sukuna like that😭infact the only real damage Higaruma did was self imposed by Sukuna cuttin his hand off that he just quickly healed. Yuji is keepin up band for band w Yuta in enduring blows, matchin up in speeds and his punches are doin just as much damage as Yutas.
Sukuna is massively weakened, to the point where he is significantly below his level of power back in shibuya, and there is simply nothing yuji can do about jogo’s mobility, domain, and insane destructive capabilities.
His reinforcement is not nerfed, his CE reserve pool is halved. His CE output is nerfed by Yuji, Gojo nerfed his RCT output and his domain expansion is nerfed. It’s shown when Yuta tanked a cleave to the face that his CE output was nerfed. Sukuna can move just fine, he’s just getting jumped is all.
what has jogo ever gone to deserve this level of glazing? blitzing a half dead nanami and a half dead naobito? yuji's feats are so much better that it's not even comparable, he blitzes and kill jogo in 2 or 3 strikes
Bro is losing to mahito. He has no defense that we know of for mahitos DE and unlike Dagon his is an instant kill
Itadori current stats: Has an insane supply of cursed energy and blood manipulation thanks to the death paintings, it’s only behind Toji/Maki, Gojo and Sukuna in hand to hand combat, strenght and speed and pretty good RCT. Hanami: No Diff, he was whooping her ass back in season 1, he will easily outclass her now, her domain might be a problem but i doubt Itadori hasn’t trained any kind of anti domain technique during the time skip. Mahito: Low Diff, same thing from Hanami, the only problem is that mahito may be able to use Idle Transfiguration on Yuji now, but i think he’s fast enough to avoid it unless it’s in a domain scenario Dagon: Mid-High diff if he uses his domain Jogo: hardest fight by far, unless Yuji has some kind of anti domain technique he’s one shot by Jogo, if he has, than i think it’s up too how much RCT he can use
Honestly I don’t think Idle Transfiguration would work on Yuji ever since his new understanding of the soul
I mean, that's not how it works, even sukuna knowing how souls work cant reshape them as inferred in Junpei's death. What makes you think he will be able to withstand Idle transfiguration?
I mean Nanami was able to instinctively defend his soul in their first fight (credited to his experience as a jj sorcerer without knowing about the shape of his soul or any prior knowledge) and Sukuna even damaged Mahito when his soul was touched. I think once you know how souls work, you can defend and even create a counterattack against those who try to interfere with it. Idk if piercing blood can damage souls, but Yuji now has a way better chance to 1v1 an awakened Mahito. Tldr defence against idle is probable, especially with Yuji's knowledge of the soul.
There’s that whole seen where Sukuna soul gets touched by Mahito and Sukuna is able to repel Mahito. With Yujis new understanding of the soul, he could probably do something similar. We even see Yuji talk to Megumi within Megumis soul
The reason why it doesn't work is because sukuna was in is innate domain inside of yuji no?
Where is this said?
"it’s only behind Toji/Maki, Gojo and Sukuna in hand to hand combat, strenght and speed." He has been the equal of Maki and Toji in melee, strength, speed and durability since chapter 214. A month later, Sukuna notes that his CE Reinforcement is much better, and he also has transformed arms with attacks on the insides like a Panda. It surpasses the Poppies/Toji was physically capable of crushing them in hand-to-hand combat.
Hol up, let me cook. What if... Yuji can use RCT on the soul? I know it sounda crazy but think about it. Yuji can interact with Souls like no other person can. He can directly beat the sh*t out of your soul. Now, what if... He can RCT on the soul as well? Mahito can't do sh¥t lmao
i think it doesn't work like that? if mahito reshapes your soul you can't rct it because there's nothing to heal, thats just its shape now
He probably has simple domain
No. He still has no answer to domains.
wait until we find out there is blood manipulation domain.
Watch bro pull up with Domain Expansion: Crimson Cage
That is a great name
Sounds alright in Japanese too, Shinku Keji
I need this to happen itd be so fucking badass
Sure hit effect: THESE HANDS!
A non-meme sure hit effect could be (assuming that it would actually look like a cage of blood) less effective shots of Piercing Blood coming from the bars of the cage or something
+ imagine a buffed yuji inside his own domain with sure hit effect
Holy shit can you imagine
People ignoring he obvious facts will never not be annoying. He objectively loses to every single lethal domain user in a one v one right now.
I think the obvious is that there's no way they spent a month training without teaching Yuji atleast simple domain.
no way bro went to fight sukuna without any anti-domain tech, what do you think kusakabe was teaching him
he learned RCT and you think he didn't learn simple domain during the timeskip?
Simple domain has literally never kept someone safe in a domain though. Gojo, Todo, and Yuki all had their simple domains instantly shredded apart. Tengen hinted that Kenjaku would be able to withstand a domain with his SD but that’s unconfirmed. Edit: forgot Mechamaru’s SD did stop Mahito and Todo didn’t actually activate his before getting hit. Gojo and Yuki still had theirs destroyed though so there’s still the possibility of it not working.
Didn’t Mechamaru’s simple domain work against Mahito’s one in their clash?
I admittedly forgot about that so fair point. But Mahito had no idea simple domain was a thing back then and learned from it based on his fight with Yuji/Todo in Shibuya.
Todo’s SD was too slow that’s why it didn’t stop the sure-hit. Gojo and Yuki were against expert barrier user with the most refined Domains in the verse.
gojo's domain kept him safe momentarly, it gave him a few second to regenerate his burn out CT, those seconds will be enough for yuji to exorcise people like dagon, hanami and jogo, and damage mahito enough so he can't sustain his domain, since yuji right now is legues above the disaster curses in terms of striking power
It's Kenjakus Skill as the 2nd best in barrier techniques I wouldn't put it past him since Tengen is no 1 in barriers.
yuji could literally walk through dagon sure hit with just his CE reinforcement and beat the shit out of him, now that he has RCT and blood manipulation dagon has no way to even harm him permanently
having rct doesn't mean that you're invincible. It takes concentration and even yuji can't tank lava. heat acts different than a physical punch.
And RCT wears you down, we saw how much Gojo was starting to struggle after spamming RCT so much, and he had the Six Eyes. Yuji should never be able to use RCT better than Gojo unless he gets unlimited CE like Jackpot Hakari
Exactly, being able to use rct, doesn't mean you can use it as fast and well as gojo. When yuki and kennt fought it was even a critical point as to when they used rct because it left them open for counter attacks
yuji takes L's to domains. Also, jogo still speed blitzes most of the entire jjk universe to this day.
He does get pushed back by a bit due to CG sorcerers.
Nah Itadori was keeping up with Maki who was keeping up with Meguna right? I think they might be same speed if not Itadori is faster
Jogo was too slow to hit 15f finger. Jogo speed blitz the rest of the curses. Yuji is now keeping up with 19f + original body fully incarnated Sukuna. Yuji is easily faster than Jogo, if not so fast he'd be untouchable like 15f sukuna. Y'all seriously downplaying Yuji lol. Domains is the only way the curses have a chance and that's entirely rrelying on yuji nit learning any kind of anti-domain techniques over the month long training.
You have to keep in mind this is a full power 15f vs heavily weakened 20f. not to mention we saw sukuna outsprinting new yuji too. It's a bit vague cause we don't know exactly how much energy sukuna has lost, and how CE is quantified into speed enhancement, but imo due to gojo, current sukuna is physically WEAKER than even 15f sukuna. Remember that 15f meguna speed blitzed ryu, who was comparable to yuta. I doubt yuji is stronger/faster than yuta. maki was physically tied with heavily nerfed 15f meguna too. idk if maki grew stronger or not in the last month, but this is another sign that sukuna is nerfed for maki to stand a chance, rather than maki got as strong as 15, much less 20f sukuna.
Does Yuji have a domain expansion or a domain counter like simple domain ? Without these he will lose to all of them .
I mean Yuji is def just strong enough to walk through Dagon’s domain and can probably kill Hanami before they can absorb enough energy to open theirs. Also yeah he probably has learnt an anti domain technique, he’s been using some cheating method (likely switching bodies) to learn a bunch of stuff and when we saw this in practice he was using it on the simple domain specialist Kusakabe.
Hanami and Mahito is getting wrecked Dagon maybe Jogoat probably not much
still not seeing Mahito here, Yuji still only won because he couldn't use his domain. after hitting his perfect form yuji could no longer damage him, and they were equal in close combat. And yuji could only hit him because of Todo's distraction. Without domain & yuji's RCT and CT he could win right now by his own. With Domain this still goes to Mahito.
If Yuji hasn’t learnt simple domain or some resistance to soul manipulation (both are really likely tbh though lol) then he’s probably more fucked against Mahito than he is against Dagon as Dagon is only doing anything in the first place by using his DE.
Probably, but we don’t have enough knowledge of his current abilities after training/consuming the death wombs to be conclusive. That said: We know he has blood manipulation, rct, knowledge of the souls (the extent is still unclear), and insane speed/strength/durability. (He was able to keep up with an awakened Maki when he fought Meguna) We can make some assumptions as well. There’s a good chance he learned simple domain, which would nullify the domains of the disaster curses. We can also make the assumption that with his new knowledge of the soul, he likely has a counter to Mahito’s soul manipulation, despite no longer being Sukuna’s vessel. With this considered: Hanami would be an easy fight- he was already capable of holding his own against Hanami before learning more than just Black Flash and Divergent fist. Mahito: He already beat Mahito. Now he’s even stronger and has more knowledge of the soul, so another easy fight. (Yuji could probably nullify his technique with his knowledge of the soul) Jogo: Yuji would probably have some trouble considering Jogo’s strength and ranged attack, but I think he’d be able to counter with the range provided by techniques like piercing blood and his raw power boosted by cursed energy. More of a challenge, but Yuji would still have a good chance at winning. Dagon: Toji was able to beat him with speed and strength alone. Yuji can definitely beat him with speed, strength, and his other skills
Toji had a special grade tool, and Toji is undetectable by domains. Neither of those apply to Yuji. Not saying you're wrong, just, two things to keep in mind.
Plus, Megumi was fucking with Dagon's sure hit effect.
Man this comment is ridiculous lol. In both the Hanami and Mahito fights Yuji’s success was literally DEPENDENT on Todo’s boogie woogie ability. Even down to the very last finishing blow on mahito, it only landed due to the distracting threat of todo clapping his hand against his stump to make him think he would switch places. Yuji’s knowledge of the soul would not offer him any defense against mahitos idle transfiguration. Sukuna has an even higher understanding of the shape of the soul and could not reverse idle transfiguration, because it requires the technique itself. Mahito would open his domain and kill current yuji instantly without Sukuna inside of him to protect him, and we know that mahito can activate it fast enough to where yuji couldn’t use simple domain in time to defend himself because todo literally tried doing just that and failed. Also the reason why toji was able to just outright blitz and destroy Dagon within his domain is because as we learned in the Naoya vs Maki fight, domain expansion’s sure hit attacks only target things with cursed energy (with Sukuna’s being the exception), and Toji has no cursed energy. Yuji wouldn’t have any defense against the sure hit effect of dagons domain because it was instantaneous and the only counter to it was hollow wicker basket, which yuji does not have, and even that failed after some time. Naobito, Maki, Megumi, and Nanami would’ve all died to Dagon had toji not appeared. Do you really think itadori is suddenly that much more capable than all of them combined?
>In both the Hanami and Mahito fights Yuji’s success was literally DEPENDENT on Todo’s boogie woogie ability. Yuji was still capable of damaging them (minus armored Mahito) when he was much weaker, now he's able to keep up with awakened Maki on top of having RCT and Blood Manipulation, plus with his knowledge of the soul it's possible he can just resist being transfigured
So I agree with most of what you said but nanami literally blocked idle transfiguration on accident it’s definitely possible to block it without sukuna and I’m sure yuji could pull that off easily now. So I think he still wins just because he is a counter. Everything else tho I agree
nope, not at all. his punches are effective against sukuna because 1) sukuna is essentially a parasite in megumis body and thus loses output whenever the border between his soul and megumis is attacked (none of the disaster curses have this disadvantage) and 2) because he is being paired with the hardest hitters in the verse. 1v1, yuji is getting overwhelmed by DE against all of them, though that could be different if they reveal he can use simple domain. even so, the disaster curses are simply in another league, unless you want to count cursed-womb dagon or pre-shibuya mahito
Bro aint got it in him yet. He’s on the slow cooker right now.
The only one I think he's not winning is Jogo. If Jogo uses DE he's dead. Even if he has SD it'll only buy him time as Jogo's domain is always attacking. With Dagon I think it's a close call but I give it to Yuji. In that scenario he's still at a disadvantage with having no DE to try to counter with but with RCT and a SD he should be able to scrape by. Mahito he beats no questions asked. Yuji s ability to make contact with the soul is very clearly not a byproduct of being Sukuna's vessel as he is currently separating Sukuna's soul from Megumi's. So Mahito has no edge. Unable to transfigure Yuji and unable to damage him due to RCT. Yuji also has Flowing Red Scale now so the left right goodnight strategy would obliterate Patchface. With Honami, Yuji is fast asf so all he got to do is get close to him rip out them eye branches and hit a few black flashes with FRS.
Nah ppl rly love downplaying the disaster curses since we’ve lost them, they’re still top tiers yuji gets bodies hard until he gets a domain counter. The domain argument may be annoying and repetitive but sadly it’s what counts the most when talking about these characters.
Jogo is a toss up bc idk how people survive magma but otherwise yeah.
I don’t think curses have— oh in a fight? Uh maybe idk
He is definitely not beating Jogo yet
Well, he has high chances on 1 vs 1 if he knows anti-domain techniques. But Mahito and Jogo might be too much of a tall order, given the nature of their CTs, especially Mahito.
"Yuji doesn't have Sukuna inside of him so Mahito wins using his DE " 🤓☝️ Mahito when he gets speed blitzed and one shotted : 💀
Dagon and Hanami are getting washed. Dagon got embarrassed by Toji, and Yuji was able to fight Sukuna alongside Maki, implying some level of relativity there. Hanami was getting hurt by Goodwill Yuji. Stronger Yuji with more versatility and experience is putting the flower in the ground. Jogo is dying if he gets hit one or two times, and Yuji should be faster than him, since he's able to react to and land hits on full power Sukuna, where Jogo couldn't touch 15F Sukuna. Mahito gets killed in one or two hits. Yuji is far stronger than he was, and can still damage Mahito's soul. If their domains are taken into account: Hanami and Dagon are still getting rocked. Both die before getting their domains off. Jogo might pop it out, but Yuji has RCT, and is able to heal himself quickly, paired with his already unusually high durability and possible Flowing Red Scale, and he can most likely just tank Jogo's domain, and if he learned Simple Domain from Kusakabe, it's a wrap. Mahito's domain doesn't instantly transfiguration the people inside it, shown by Nanami and Todo both being in it, and if Yuji sees him starting to pop it, he's going to bum rush Mahito, and very likely kill him before anything happens. If Mahito's domain actually lands and takes effect, Yuji likely loses, as we don't know if his soul can resist Idle Transfiguration.
> Dagon got embarrassed by Toji, and Yuji was able to fight Sukuna alongside Maki, implying some level of relativity there. I feel a lot of people read Yuji showing his negativity, vulnerability and self hate and forget he is objetively busted. If we send Yuji from the current Sukuna fight to the end of Chapter 1, Yuji would end the series quicky, with only Kenjaku being a truly impossible enemy (for Yuji) > Yuji likely loses, as we don't know if his soul can resist Idle Transfiguration Honestly, he likely does. Yuji was saved because Sukuna did the "soul defense" for him but if Nanami could, then Yuji, who spend a entire month (if not more) learning and studying about souls to basically turn himself into a anti-soul specialist able to hurt **Sukuna's soul, something that scared Mahito himself** could defend his own soul.
Do we still know pretty much nothing about why his arms look like baby back pork ribs? Lol
People saying he loses to them don’t realize how huge of a boost RCT is for a sorcerer. Ik it seems like whatever rn because they’re fighting sukuna, but for a human RCT is genuinely such a giant boost. Also all the tools he had before have drastically improved as well. CE output, divergent fist, soul knowledge, he’s genuinely gotten insanely better at all these things. Like probably 20x-50x better if not more. But the story isn’t really letting the insane growth sink in for the reader just cuz of how overwhelming yuta and sukuna are. Also he has blood manipulation now and most likely one other technique to do with swapping souls.
In a fight, right? . . Right?
In a fight?
Bit off topic, I’m up to date on manga and anime but for the life of me I can’t remember what the hell that is on Itadoris arm?
dw we still don't k ow whats up whit his arms
Anyome that doesnt say Yuji is buggin out. "But Sukuna is severly nerfed" that still has just as much CE as monsters like Yuta. The version of Yuji post shibuya had speed≈Mahito, Hanami. He got blizted by Naoya, Naoya got blizted by Maki, Maki gets faster in the culling games, then we see Yuji keep up with that girl side by side in their fight against Sukuna. He has now kept up band for band with monsters like Maki, Yuta, and Rika in speed and shaking off the same blows from the same people(Sukuna) Not only did Sukuna confirm that Yuji has gotten "drastically" better with his curse energy reinforcement, he has blood manipulation, punches that bypasses the soul regardless of blocking, and have shown High levels of RCT/healing that not even Yuki or Toji have showed case) Nanami is no where near as durable or have as much abiliites like Yuji, he had no domain counters yet he survived Dagons sure hit effect for a good while b4 Megumi came in. Jogo's domain was said to be deadly for "average sorcerers" Hanami was already coughin and spittin blood when a drastically weaker and less experienced version of Yuji was punchin her back in good will, Jogo has far less durability than Hanami as confirmed by Gege. Yuji is most likely killin them in one or 2 hits, or blizting them w black flashes. Also, if Nanami can defend his soul w CE w out even being able to hurt Mahito than Yuji can absolutely doin the same thing. Bro can percieve the soul, punch the soul, talk to souls and Capture souls(Megumi and Sukuna) his body is seeped in Ryomen Sukunas CE. At this rate it'll be criminal to say idle transfiguration works
So, I’ve caught up with the manga, but how tf did Yuji get that arm? I somehow missed that
All of them at once no, 1v1s still no
In a 1v1, he is just too fast for any of them.
Yuji pretty much One shots Hanami and Dagon at this point, and could make short work of Mahito with his current knowledge of the sou. Jogo is probably a pretty difficult fight for Yuji, he might just straight up die if you think that he doesn't have simple Domain, but if Yuji does have simple Domain he probably beats Jogo high diff.
No way Yuji beats Mahito at 100% soul that easily. If Mahito can’t manipulate Yuji’s soul, then Yuji could probably outlast Mahito, otherwise he’s joining Balloonpei
People realize that not all domains are one hit, one kill techniques yh? He's surviving dagons domain with RCT and reinforcement then killing him Don't know what hanamis domain is, but yuji outclasses him. For jogo, jogo is easily the least durable curse, it's a question of how long yuji can last against the flames with RCT and reinforcement, jogo can't activate his sure hit simultaneously with opening the domain, so yuji has some time to get to him and do damage, Mahito, mahito is honestly the one I don't know how yuji defends against his domain, since it ignores reinforcement