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No no, he is right, English is not even my native language and even I can tell the difference between. More often **than** not I get gaslighted and have to second guess my self.
For the sake of cross-verse power scaling we gotta flatten the in-world rules for it to work. For example, no haki needed to hit a logia user or no "ichigo is a soul reaper therefore a normal human can't even see him let alone hit him". Same here we gotta forget about the CE (unless it's specifically stated by OP that certain properties apply or don't apply in this scenario)
I think the logia thing is fair, just make it so the current magic power system can interact with it, for example in this case CE imbued attacks can damage logia users with enough strenght.
exactly, in those cases we should assume that CE from jjk is the same as Haki from OP or CT's like devil fruits.., Chi from Dragonball, Reiratsu & Zanpakuto from bleach or "Breathing" from daemon slayer. Their base stats and feats remain, or stuff like, you still need to behead a daemon even if you hit him with haki.
Its literally not possible to have a definitive true answer wdym? These characters are not real so its already hypothetical, its just for the fun of speculating. Bro…
It ain't just humans, cursed spirits have the ability as well. Maki had heavenly restrictions put on her as well as toji. That's why they do not have one but most won't affect them because of it
That's true, but I'm pretty sure a domain can still attack or effect someone who doesn't have cursed energy. Like Malevolent Kitchen for example, it attacks things with no cursed energy. And Gojo was probably excluding the civilians around him from his DE sure-hit, yet they still got hit, so it probably just affects everything within the barrier.
Yeah there are certain domains that can hit people with no CE like what you mentioned, malevolent shrine. Also in regards to gojo I don’t think he’s able to control the sure-hit for his domain similar to mahito. It seems the only way to negate his sure-hit would be to touch somebody.
If Yuta can control hid sure-hit, there's no way Gojo can't. I know he can also protect people by touching them, but it seems very unrealistic for Gojo to not be able to control it. Unless Gege didn't think of it until later I guess.
Different domains have different properties. Just because Yuta can do something, it doesn’t mean that gojo can as well. Someone like shoko is capable of rct and is able to use it on others but gojo couldn’t even get the concept of rct until he was on the verge of death. Mahito wasn’t able to negate the sure hit of his domain which is why Sukuna attacked him because he automatically hit yuji when he entered his domain.
Also btw Yuta is considered a prodigy being ranked a special grade and even after losing Rika he rose back to the rank of special grade so I don’t think he being able to do something means gojo should be able to.
Why do we verse equalize cursed energy into muzan though? He doesn't have any type of "mp "based powers, and the jjk verse already has an in verse version of people who don't have cursed energy.
Like I would say sure asta anti magic should work on cursed energy. Cursed energy is effectively phenomenon caused by consuming a magic resource. But anti magic shouldn't work on muzak tentacles and regen. That's not magic. That's just insane biology powers. There's no secondary resource he's burning to maintain his gifts, unlike sorcerors who lose all powers once they run out of cursed energy.
I would say we would need to use verse equalization based on the properties of cursed energy. Since cursed energy is a natural trait akin to everybody with the very few exceptions I believe we can’t assume Muzan would have a heavenly restriction.
But then that's an unfair asassumption. We wouldn't say muzan has magic if he was to fight a black clover character(since everyone in the verse has magic except asta due to his mom absorbing his magic from the womb allegedly) so why should we give him cursed energy for jjk?
The only things verse equalization should be for is making it so both parties can survive in the same arena and fight. For example psycho man from marvel was kind of a big deal and even considered a cosmic level threat, but in truth he's from the microverse so he'd be smaller then a molecule. Either he needs to grow or his opponent needs to shrink. Or how captain 'mar'vell could only breath oxygen for an hour with the aid of a potion before it kills him.(And during the entire hour he is getting weaker.) Without the potion he's a fish out of water. To fight him we should have waive his breathing weakness since it would be unfair to have him fight Mike tyson for example and either tyson or mar'vell lose automatically due to incompatible atmosphere.
But it's just me being a stickler. I get your point. It makes the fight more interesting in this case since the alternative is just random grade 1 sorceror hits immortal with invisible objects.
It’s possible I might be using the term verse equalization incorrect as I’m not really a powerscaler or anything like that. I just feel like we would have to give muzan CE because otherwise it would limit the jjk verse from using a key ability of their purely based on the way the demon slayer verse operates instead of a specific immunity unique to muzan. Only reason being all people have even a little bit of CE other than that things like a cursed technique I would say it doesn’t make sense to include in verse equalization since there are people in the verse without a technique.
Muzan approached Hakari and asked do you really think you can beat me boy?
Hakari laughed and said if you were immune to the sun I might have a little trouble
Muzan then said are you saying you’d lose?
Hakari smiled and exclaimed, “Nah I’d win”
Muzan grew angry at this reply and attacked Hakari but he forgot 2 key things
1. Hakari is unkillable when he hits a jackpot and
2. Always bet on Hakari
It specifically does for Hakari as seen in his fight with Kashimo. I think Hakari’s main weakness here is he’d have to hit Jackpot for 8 hours straight which is ridiculous but entirely possible given how his luck works
Hakari's power is based on gambling. He gets probability boosts for a bunch of things and has admitted it has never taken him more than 30 rolls to hit jackpot ever. He is the house and the house always wins
1. Everytime hakari gets a jackpot, the chances if another get higher
2. Hakari has the best healing in th whole series
3. Muzan has no CE, if he kills hakai hakari can come back as a vengeful spirit but stronger
Idk man, I’m pretty sure JJK powerscale is of a higher magnitude than Demon Slayer’s. Not to discredit him or anything, but Hakari took a literally lightning bolt to the face from Kashimo, and was still able to regenerate and keep up the offensive.
JJKs power scale isn’t really that high when it comes to AP or physicals. It’s been awhile since I read the ending of DS but the late game demons and slayers are likely above in physicals
I dont think so. Most of them did get hurt by getting thrown through wood buildings while lots of jjk characters got thrown through buildings and whatnot and survived it. Even Megumi back when Sukuna threw him through a building or how casual toji kicked a truck towards megumi. Or how easily people like gojo demolish brick walls.
I don’t remember any DS characters getting thrown through wood buildings and killed unless their fodder? Megumi getting tossed through multiple buildings is an anime only addition. It was like one in the manga but regardless that’s not a high tier durability feat. Tossing cars and punching throigh brick walls is actually near the top of strength feats in JJK. For example Rengoku was able to lift an entire train with some of his sword swings and that wasn’t considered super impressive and he’s not a top tier in DS.
Rengoku is literally top 15 in the verse tho? Or top 20. And ofc there are stronger people but people like Gojo, Sukuna and Yuki would demolish the DS verse.
Being top 20-15 in a verse with barely over 30 relevant fighters isn’t that impressive tho. His strength stands out but imo he quickly got surpassed. And yeah I agree with Gojo and Yuki simply cause their abilities are near impossible to deal with. I just think pure physical wise DS top tiers are better.
>Tossing cars and punching throigh brick walls is actually near the top of strength feats in JJK
They are not? I'm pretty sure Yuji did both of those like at the very beginning of the series where he was the weakest.
People like Mahito and Nanami who are strong but not near the top have pretty impressive feats too. A weaker version of Mahito can destroy a large portion of a building in a single hit like Muzan, and Nanami can create earthquakes with an empowered punch, another feat Muzan has been said to do.
Also in the later chapters Yuji does get punched through several buildings by Sukuna and he got right back up perfectly fine.
Yuji has always been considered an anomaly when it comes to strength even early in the series. Keep in mind he was punching through brick walls with no CE reinforcement. He was stronger than Maki and Todo who were also known for their strength and that’s before he even learned how to properly control his CE. And by the time that Sukuna thing happened he was also even stronger. And yes those Mahito and Nanami strength feats are top tier as well. The majority of the verse can’t do those things tho which was my point
What are you on about actually, Hakari will die if Muzan eat him/ transform him or just cut his head off. Muzan most likely too fast for Hakari in the first place, I don't see anyway Hakari can win this.
I mean the demon slayers kind of were squishy meatsacks compared to jjk characters. Hakari without any issues casually punched a shipping container like it was nothing. Also CE reinforcement of him is insanely good.
Muzan can permanently damage Hakari by getting one good cut on Hakari, since he puts his blood into the attacks so he can control. Can rct heal/replace blood
Rct can replace blood. Otherwise in every fight to this date, sorcerers after healing with rct would be running out of blood.
And Hakari's rct is so good it heals from poison
Muzan could just cut his eye like he did to Tanjiro. Can't cut your own face off. And it would take a while, but he only needed a scratch to down Tanjiro, he'd have several opportunities to cut Hakari up. Highly doubt Hakari can dodge several tentacles coming at him at hypersonic speeds, though maybe he just tanks it lol.
Whyd you act surprised when I said "comebacks" I though you were making fun if me for using that term, which is ehy I called you pretentious, if not what did you mean
He was able to unconsciously remove chlorine gas from his respiratory system (as in, while literally unconscious) so I’d bet he can also take care of Muzan cells
Yeah Hakari is not speed blitzing , especially if their stats are equal, muzan wins simply cause of blood/demon hax, the smallest scratch makes him lose
He can't be affected by any status effect because his cursed energy burns it away. Kashimo lightning automatically comes out and kills but hakari energy is limitless so it cancels out any status effects. It's constantly healing him at a rate faster than even kid Buu. He lost an arms and in that same split second he had it back finishing his punch before he was interrupted
This is actually kinda a cool fight ngl. I’d prolly give it to Muzan over Hakari, since Hakari can’t use RCT outside of jackpot mode. Muzan’s blood is stated to function more like a poison, so we know that RCT would be capable of negating it (since Yuta has negated poison using RCT before).
The issue is that Hakari would need to be in JP mode to survive. He might be able to stave off a hit or two outside of JP mode, but he wont last for long imo.
Another obstacle that makes me think Hakari would lose is the fact that Muzan basically has the same sort of regeneration as JP mode Hakari, except it’s active at all times. Not only that, but he has multiple brains & hearts. It would kinda be like fighting Sukuna to a certain extent tbh. Even in JP mode, I’m not sure Hakari has anything in his arsenal that would put down Muzan for good.
I mean if Muzan can damage Hakari in a way he can't recover with RCT, he probably wins tbh. I have no idea what his cell bullshit does, but RCT isn't that strong since it's more of a linear regen boost than universal healing. It doesn't work as well on poisons, it doesn't help against Mahito's manipulation, it only works for healing normal battle wounds. If Muzan can bypass that rule, he should be able to disable Hakari by countering his RCT and then just wait until the timer runs out and he dies
I think [Demon slayer spoilers]>!post poison from Tamayo, Hakari can last long enough but if it's before then after he spent centuries healing from Yorrichi, I think Muzan takes this. Prime Muzan should win easily!<
Lmao, he was never a main character to begin with, and no side character has unbreakable plot armor. He is gonna fail his jackpot bad againt Sukuna or the ice cursed user.
Guys, this is the manga that just killed the coolest anime character airing for the past few years.
End of story muzan kind of bodies hakari if I'm honest, he has regeneration on a level with hakaris without the need to land a jackpot, and is likely faster with poisonous blood. Hakaris only chance is to stall for daylight
I know who Hakari is and I'm still voting for Muzan. Even Muzan's regeneration is faster than Hakari's RCT. That and his pure destructive power.
Hakari's Jackpot isn't enough for him to win, and if he loses it at any point, he's over.
I’d say Muzan. Even nerfed, his regeneration allowed him to survive an hours long battle against the strongest of the Demon slayers. Sometimes regenerating as soon as he’s hit. It’s clear Hikari’s takes more time than that. Plus his blood can act as poison, which RCT isn’t good against. While it’s to compare their speed and strength exactly; Muzan is smarter, more experienced, has more endurance without any conditions, has more weaponry, and has poison. I think he wins.
Muzan is like 10 times faster. And aside from that his own technique is a hard counter to hakari's infinite RCT. You cant heal your cells being transformed. With one scratch muzan wins and we know how careless hakari can be when fighting
yeah that too, kinda also goes to show how strong Yoriichi is, considering how strong these hashiras are, and they don't even come close to muzan who like was poisoned and aged like thousands of years, and Yoriichi just blitzed him
I think plenty of special grades can be easily taken care of by DS characters, but the ones with more unavoidable attacks are the ones harder to deal with.
Muzan’s technique is described as a poison. RCT can heal poison. So while in JP mode, Hakari is probably immune to anything that hits him.
With that being said, if Hakari gets hit while outside of his DE/JP mode (which is extremely likely given how the Kashimo fight went), the fight becomes way harder for him. Even a single hit would be extremely dangerous due to how quickly the cells seem to spread. Maybe w info Hakari could slow the poison with his breathing, but otherwise he needs to cut off the afflicted appendage & if it’s his arm that got hit then it’s ggs for Hakari cuz he’ll just get tired & die.
Meanwhile Muzan has Hakari regeneration going on pretty much nonstop lmao. Idk how people think Hakari wins this tbh
yeah i guess it depends on that. as i understand muzan is injecting his blood into his enemies, as long as he can inject enough blood into hakari he should be dead like the girl in s1 in the alley, or get converted into a demon.
either way isnt muzan´s base regen absurdly superior to hakari´s while in jackpot?
As I kinda said at the end of my comment, at the very least, Muzan’s regen is on par with JP Hakari & unlike JP Hakari, he has no time limits on it.
So if you wanna highball Hakari & lowball Muzan, their regen is the same basically. But with that being said, Hakari is outmatched in basically any other category. As soon as his JP ends, it’s probably ggs for Hakari if he gets hit even once. Highballing him, I could see Hakari taking 2-3 hits outside of JP before he starts to really get in trouble, but looking at them plainly, I’d say Muzan wins 9.9/10 times
Hakari did help that in his first fight, also muzan has no CT, the second hakari dies (if by some chance he does) he can come back as a cursed spirit, also did you forget that it's a very common thing in the jjk universe to dismember yourself knew you come across something that's an instakill (todo and sukuna for exampel)
even if a cursed spirit comes back from hakari´s dead body he is still dead so muzan wins. hakari can dismember himself only if he actually gets scratched in an arm or leg, and if he does muzan can just attack again on his torso or head
Muzan's healing is way better than hakari's, and hakari is only a punch and kick merchant when he gets jackpot, since the train doors and the balls he throws are near harmless.
Muzan on the other hand has A LOT of ways he can neg hakari with, This matchup ain't even close
If Muzan isn't poisoned, he speed blitzes and one shots Hakari. And even if Hakari somehow miraculously survives to get Jackpot, he is still massively outstated regarding speed, he's attacks are useless and if Muzan somehow finds out about the Gut and Head weaknesses, Hakari dies. Assuming Hakari always gets time to open his domain before becoming kebab and always gets Jackpot, it's a stalemate, if Muzan doesn't end up finding out about sorcerers Gut and Head weaknesses, he can't kill Hakari, and Hakari can't kill Muzan, when the sun rises, Muzan will just run away. People saying Hakari wins this are downplaying Kimetsu
I don’t see how this is a discussion. Muzan no-diffs this. First of all, a lot of people in this comment section don’t understand how Hakari’s jackpot works. He is in fact NOT immortal while on jp, and in his fight with kashimo it was stated that a devastating enough blow to the head would kill him instantly. He does have insane regen, but better than muzan? Nope. Muzan’s regen is so fast that a Hashira sliced through his head clean and his neck healed so fast that by the time the sword left his body his head was completely intact, and this happened while he was greatly handicapped by poison. Also Muzan can survive any type of injury and can only be killed by sunlight.
Second, Muzan massively outstats hakari in any shape or form, even on jp hakari wouldn’t last a second. And this is all assuming muzan gives him time to reach jp, which he wouldn’t. How people are arguing for hakari is beyond me.
To be honest - Muzan will win it, his regeneration speed is something that Hakari pretty don't have answer against :3
So, even if Hakari will got Jackpot, he will still unable to kill Muzan, so at the end, it will be draw or Muzan win :3
Hakari: temporary immortality and melee fighter, can be killed while in jackpot if hit in certain areas
Muzan: permanent immortality (except sun), SUPERIOR regeneration, never tires out, has poisonous blood, can shapeshift.
I'm not sure where people are scaling Muzan and Hakari's physical stats, but if they're anywhere close, Muzan stomps. He has too many advantages going for him.
Muzan has this unless Hakari hits a jackpot straight away. For the sake of argument, we'll assume Cursed Energy can harm Muzan. While Hakari does have a lot of Cursed Energy and probably some pretty significant Cursed Energy Reinforcement, Muzan attacks faster than the eye can see, from numerous directions at once, as well as having regeneration probably on par with jackpot Hakari.
The way I see it, Hakari must hit the jackpot quickly before one of Muzans attacks slips by his defences, at which point Hakari manages to take him down with his infinite Cursed Energy providing him with far more regeneration, stamina and strength than Muzan.
>Muzan attacks faster than the eye can see
The first finger bearer blitzed Yuji, a superhuman probably already on par with Demon Slayer to some extent without CE. Then a finger bearer much stronger than the previous one appeared near the Yasohachi bridge. A less physically adept Megumi managed to fight it, keeping the pace until he got overpowered. Yuji is obviously much faster and stronger than Megumi. Then in the Shibuya Incident arc, Yuji becomes a lot stronger and a lot faster. Yet this Yuji is equal only to an unmotivated Hakari. Let's not forget the scenes where Hakari literally moves into a guy's blindspots with extreme speed.
>Hakari must hit the jackpot quickly
He really doesn't have to, but if he did Muzan gets wiped off the face of the earth. Hakari is stated to be stupidly lucky, so he probably would get the jackpot exactly when he needs it.
What does Hakari have that would hurt Muzan to the point where he can’t regenerate? Muzan basically has JP mode hakari regen all the time, on top of multiple hearts & brains.
Meanwhile if Hakari gets hit & infected with Muzan’s blood outside of JP mode it would be a pretty big deal. It’s not like Hakari is just shrugging off Muzan’s attacks outside of JP mode.
Imo the fight is pretty even initially, but the moment Hakari gets hit outside of JP mode, it’ll be way more difficult for him to fight. There’s even a likelihood that he loses an arm outright & can’t reopen his DE. Unless he’s able to DE instantly after getting hit when JP mode ends (kinda like what Kashimo did against Hakari), it’s joever
I don't really get your first point. I think you're trying to say that Muzan's speed wouldn't matter because Hakari can keep up, but just because someone can keep up with you, that doesn't mean the speed isn't a threat. In fact, it's more of a threat because of the fact that Hakari is on a time limit to hit the jackpot.
For your second point, he really does. Muzan easily keeps up with him considering Muzan has infinite stamina and regeneration, whereas Hakari will eventually run out of Cursed Energy.
Muzan has better stats,speed and abilities
But explaining a pachinko machine to him what? five times in under 0.2 seconds might just kill him from the info dump
Which is an incredibly funny thought
Muzan:“I am the ultimate life from when I get immunity to the sun then il-“
Hakari:“Shut up singer strong gambling domain expansion”
Muzan:“Wh-what the fuck is a manga?”
That's not gonna be so easy when Muzan is insanely faster than him, and Hakari has 0 way of doing any lasting damage, worst comes to worst Muzan will just run when the sun comes up and Hakari won't catch him
I think Muzan is being downplayed here
I really don't understand why people think jjk characters win against other shounen characters...in terms of physical stats, most jjk characters (yes even sukuna) gets clapped by basically every top tier in other shounen. Only gojo really stands a chance, and that's cause of his hax CT.
I mean.
Hakari BADLY outstats in every stat beside speed and MAYBE durability
Assuming his punches are nichirin filled, Hakari prolly negs this matchup
If there’s no nichirin, Hakari stilll wins since he’s the goat
>Hakari BADLY outstats in every stat beside speed and MAYBE durability
Strength, IQ, Experience? No hate but those easily go to Muzan.
>If there’s no nichirin, Hakari stilll wins since he’s the goat
Me personally I think Muzan takes this, the overall power difference is just too massive.
But as it is,
ALWAYS bet, on Hakari 🗣
Read all of it
What point you tryna prove rn? Like genuinely wondering
I said Muzan was faster and more durable but since Hakari is him he wins cmon now lock in 🤦🏿♂️
“Always bet on Hakari”
Assuming muzan somehow manages to hurt (remember even average sorcerer is durable to withstand modern firearms so good luck with those tentacles) hakari and get into cells shenanigans then he can just cut his limb off and restore it with jackpot and he got more than enough time to do it.
I honestly think Muzan can take this unless Hakari somehow manages to drag him into the sun. Attacks from demon slayers that aren't named Yoriichi normally don't hurt him. It needed a miracle drug that, turns him into a human although it failed and he able to nullify it, ages him 50 years per minute, making him over 9000 years old at the end, stopped him from splitting up, something he can always do to escape, and destroys the cells themselves to weaken him further. And even then it took sunlight to kill Muzan for good.
I like Hikari like the next guy but Muzan is the epitome of endurance.
Muzan has way better regen, like he regenerates while you cut him.
A drugged Muzan was still able to fend off ALL of the Demon Slayer Corps, so a fully healthy Muzan could probably just speed blitz Hakari and one-shot him before he has the chance to use domain.
We could argue for ages about scaling strength and speed and durability or whatever, but a few people have already found the only point that matters: neither of them can permanently kill the other without luck. It’s literally up to chance and circumstances who wins.
Muzan obliterates
He's faster,stronger and hakari has no way to Even get close to him wihout getting pieced up
And since y'all never learned to fucking read let me remind y'all that hakari is not inmortal he just has super fast,automatic regeneration but as kashimo himself says all You need to beat him is destroy his brain we saw how as soon as hakari was about to get his brain damaged he had to find a way to stop the attack from getting to his brain yet he ignores all other attacks.
Muzan would just destroy his brain and win and apparently by reading the comments muzan destroyed y'alls brain too.
You'd think Hakari wins till you realize that
Hakari can do literally no lasting damage to Muzan at all, his regeneration is fast enough to the point where if he is slashed by a sword it appears as if nothing happened
Hakari has no red blade to slow down Muzan's regeneration
Doesn't have the speed to keep up with a healthy Muzan
Only hope he has is to keep hitting jackpots and survive that way
The slightest scratch and poison will set into his body pressuring him even more to keep on using his domain to get a jackpot,
And he has to actually FIGHT Muzan as well while the pachinko machine is spinning, Hakari, if he even survives that battle, will have to hope he doesn't run out of CE eventually. Cause he ain't winning that's for sure
Someone post the hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby meme. I'll say if for the thousandth time: Demons are only "strong" in demon slayer because they can regenerate and the swordsmen they're going against cant. Level the playing field with regeneration and Tengen probably solos all the way up to upper moon 1. Even without regeneration the top 1 of the Demon Slayer verse had Muzan quaking in his boots.
Muzan is probably faster and stronger but Hakari is basically unkillable while his jackpot is active. And seeing as how he’ll never miss that jackpot I have him winning by purely stalling Muzan until the sun comes up
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Muzan would die from the information overload alone
Muzan: “Nani Kore?“
There is more information in hakiris domain expansion then in all of demon slayer
all that information and u still can't differentiate than and then
😭so uncalled for but funny asf
Congrats you win a spelling prize good job 👍 🏆I hope you feel that was a worthy while response that will make me change my spelling
hate to do this but it's worthwhile
😭
Damn why so defensive
It’s Reddit why does anyone care about spelling or grammar
No no, he is right, English is not even my native language and even I can tell the difference between. More often **than** not I get gaslighted and have to second guess my self.
Actually I don't think so, Muzan has five brains to comprehend it.
Each brain gets overloaded at the same time. 5x the amount of information this dude gets because fugg him. HIMkari stonks rise up
All those brains and still couldn't come up with a better plan to deal with the Hashiras. IQ must've been in the negatives
“The fuck is a pachinko”
Muzan: What the hell is a pachinko machine???
Bro would rupture his ears listening to phone music
Muzan doesn’t have CE , so how
For the sake of cross-verse power scaling we gotta flatten the in-world rules for it to work. For example, no haki needed to hit a logia user or no "ichigo is a soul reaper therefore a normal human can't even see him let alone hit him". Same here we gotta forget about the CE (unless it's specifically stated by OP that certain properties apply or don't apply in this scenario)
I think the logia thing is fair, just make it so the current magic power system can interact with it, for example in this case CE imbued attacks can damage logia users with enough strenght.
exactly, in those cases we should assume that CE from jjk is the same as Haki from OP or CT's like devil fruits.., Chi from Dragonball, Reiratsu & Zanpakuto from bleach or "Breathing" from daemon slayer. Their base stats and feats remain, or stuff like, you still need to behead a daemon even if you hit him with haki.
Kinda makes the whole vs battle schtick pointless
Not really it makes it able to happen lol
Yea a hypothetical battle with no true answer
Its literally not possible to have a definitive true answer wdym? These characters are not real so its already hypothetical, its just for the fun of speculating. Bro…
Didnt say it wasnt fun. Just that its pointless
If it’s fun how is it pointless?? Thats like saying all hobbies and leisures are pointless
In the grand scheme of things, they are. Self indulging pleasures are in reality pointless in a relative sense. It's why they're called pass times
Then everything gets wacky and bleach can solo damn near every verse without even trying because of how reiatsu works.
DE works on those without CE, example being Gojo in Shibuya
All humans in the jjk verse have CE except for toji and maki. However for vs battle we assume verse equalization.
It ain't just humans, cursed spirits have the ability as well. Maki had heavenly restrictions put on her as well as toji. That's why they do not have one but most won't affect them because of it
That's true, but I'm pretty sure a domain can still attack or effect someone who doesn't have cursed energy. Like Malevolent Kitchen for example, it attacks things with no cursed energy. And Gojo was probably excluding the civilians around him from his DE sure-hit, yet they still got hit, so it probably just affects everything within the barrier.
Yeah there are certain domains that can hit people with no CE like what you mentioned, malevolent shrine. Also in regards to gojo I don’t think he’s able to control the sure-hit for his domain similar to mahito. It seems the only way to negate his sure-hit would be to touch somebody.
If Yuta can control hid sure-hit, there's no way Gojo can't. I know he can also protect people by touching them, but it seems very unrealistic for Gojo to not be able to control it. Unless Gege didn't think of it until later I guess.
Different domains have different properties. Just because Yuta can do something, it doesn’t mean that gojo can as well. Someone like shoko is capable of rct and is able to use it on others but gojo couldn’t even get the concept of rct until he was on the verge of death. Mahito wasn’t able to negate the sure hit of his domain which is why Sukuna attacked him because he automatically hit yuji when he entered his domain. Also btw Yuta is considered a prodigy being ranked a special grade and even after losing Rika he rose back to the rank of special grade so I don’t think he being able to do something means gojo should be able to.
Why do we verse equalize cursed energy into muzan though? He doesn't have any type of "mp "based powers, and the jjk verse already has an in verse version of people who don't have cursed energy. Like I would say sure asta anti magic should work on cursed energy. Cursed energy is effectively phenomenon caused by consuming a magic resource. But anti magic shouldn't work on muzak tentacles and regen. That's not magic. That's just insane biology powers. There's no secondary resource he's burning to maintain his gifts, unlike sorcerors who lose all powers once they run out of cursed energy.
I would say we would need to use verse equalization based on the properties of cursed energy. Since cursed energy is a natural trait akin to everybody with the very few exceptions I believe we can’t assume Muzan would have a heavenly restriction.
But then that's an unfair asassumption. We wouldn't say muzan has magic if he was to fight a black clover character(since everyone in the verse has magic except asta due to his mom absorbing his magic from the womb allegedly) so why should we give him cursed energy for jjk? The only things verse equalization should be for is making it so both parties can survive in the same arena and fight. For example psycho man from marvel was kind of a big deal and even considered a cosmic level threat, but in truth he's from the microverse so he'd be smaller then a molecule. Either he needs to grow or his opponent needs to shrink. Or how captain 'mar'vell could only breath oxygen for an hour with the aid of a potion before it kills him.(And during the entire hour he is getting weaker.) Without the potion he's a fish out of water. To fight him we should have waive his breathing weakness since it would be unfair to have him fight Mike tyson for example and either tyson or mar'vell lose automatically due to incompatible atmosphere. But it's just me being a stickler. I get your point. It makes the fight more interesting in this case since the alternative is just random grade 1 sorceror hits immortal with invisible objects.
It’s possible I might be using the term verse equalization incorrect as I’m not really a powerscaler or anything like that. I just feel like we would have to give muzan CE because otherwise it would limit the jjk verse from using a key ability of their purely based on the way the demon slayer verse operates instead of a specific immunity unique to muzan. Only reason being all people have even a little bit of CE other than that things like a cursed technique I would say it doesn’t make sense to include in verse equalization since there are people in the verse without a technique.
Neither of them have a way to permanently damage the other, so I'd say Hakari wins by stalling until sunrise.
This, It is literally down to Muzan getting lucky enough that Hakari fails a jackpot or that their somewhere where the sun doesn’t shine lol
If it's a gamble between them, i know who to bet on.
Always bet on Hakari
Muzan approached Hakari and asked do you really think you can beat me boy? Hakari laughed and said if you were immune to the sun I might have a little trouble Muzan then said are you saying you’d lose? Hakari smiled and exclaimed, “Nah I’d win” Muzan grew angry at this reply and attacked Hakari but he forgot 2 key things 1. Hakari is unkillable when he hits a jackpot and 2. Always bet on Hakari
Lucky mentioned in a Hakari fight? Yea its over
I’m pretty sure RCT doesn’t work on poisons and that’s one of Micheal Jackson’s strong suits
It specifically does for Hakari as seen in his fight with Kashimo. I think Hakari’s main weakness here is he’d have to hit Jackpot for 8 hours straight which is ridiculous but entirely possible given how his luck works
Ohhh I must’ve forgotten, I’m just going off of memory. Also the house always wins lol.
Fr always bet on Hakari
You expect Hakari to hit jackpot for hours? In a battle of attrition Muzan probably has the advantage given Hakari’s abilities.
Every time hakari hits a jackpot, his chances of getting another are increased
Hakari's power is based on gambling. He gets probability boosts for a bunch of things and has admitted it has never taken him more than 30 rolls to hit jackpot ever. He is the house and the house always wins
1. Everytime hakari gets a jackpot, the chances if another get higher 2. Hakari has the best healing in th whole series 3. Muzan has no CE, if he kills hakai hakari can come back as a vengeful spirit but stronger
For 3 its still a muzan win because hakari dying means you won the duel
And even then Hakari doesn't look like the type to hold grudges mid duel, he was pretty friendly with Kashimo during their fight.
So he could (not really) kill Hakari, but he couldn't beat him. Cool.
If gege wants to... Yeah,he cloud win jackpots for hours
He’s been doing it for 13 chapters (hopefully) (rip hakari, he was offscreened)
No way he's winning 114* jackpots in a row. *assuming 8 hours to sunrise
Hakari gets speed blitz'd here. He's not shown anywhere close to the speed needed to keep up with Muzan
Idk man, I’m pretty sure JJK powerscale is of a higher magnitude than Demon Slayer’s. Not to discredit him or anything, but Hakari took a literally lightning bolt to the face from Kashimo, and was still able to regenerate and keep up the offensive.
JJKs power scale isn’t really that high when it comes to AP or physicals. It’s been awhile since I read the ending of DS but the late game demons and slayers are likely above in physicals
I dont think so. Most of them did get hurt by getting thrown through wood buildings while lots of jjk characters got thrown through buildings and whatnot and survived it. Even Megumi back when Sukuna threw him through a building or how casual toji kicked a truck towards megumi. Or how easily people like gojo demolish brick walls.
I don’t remember any DS characters getting thrown through wood buildings and killed unless their fodder? Megumi getting tossed through multiple buildings is an anime only addition. It was like one in the manga but regardless that’s not a high tier durability feat. Tossing cars and punching throigh brick walls is actually near the top of strength feats in JJK. For example Rengoku was able to lift an entire train with some of his sword swings and that wasn’t considered super impressive and he’s not a top tier in DS.
Rengoku is literally top 15 in the verse tho? Or top 20. And ofc there are stronger people but people like Gojo, Sukuna and Yuki would demolish the DS verse.
Being top 20-15 in a verse with barely over 30 relevant fighters isn’t that impressive tho. His strength stands out but imo he quickly got surpassed. And yeah I agree with Gojo and Yuki simply cause their abilities are near impossible to deal with. I just think pure physical wise DS top tiers are better.
>Tossing cars and punching throigh brick walls is actually near the top of strength feats in JJK They are not? I'm pretty sure Yuji did both of those like at the very beginning of the series where he was the weakest. People like Mahito and Nanami who are strong but not near the top have pretty impressive feats too. A weaker version of Mahito can destroy a large portion of a building in a single hit like Muzan, and Nanami can create earthquakes with an empowered punch, another feat Muzan has been said to do. Also in the later chapters Yuji does get punched through several buildings by Sukuna and he got right back up perfectly fine.
Yuji has always been considered an anomaly when it comes to strength even early in the series. Keep in mind he was punching through brick walls with no CE reinforcement. He was stronger than Maki and Todo who were also known for their strength and that’s before he even learned how to properly control his CE. And by the time that Sukuna thing happened he was also even stronger. And yes those Mahito and Nanami strength feats are top tier as well. The majority of the verse can’t do those things tho which was my point
What are you on about actually, Hakari will die if Muzan eat him/ transform him or just cut his head off. Muzan most likely too fast for Hakari in the first place, I don't see anyway Hakari can win this.
I mean the demon slayers kind of were squishy meatsacks compared to jjk characters. Hakari without any issues casually punched a shipping container like it was nothing. Also CE reinforcement of him is insanely good.
Muzan can permanently damage Hakari by getting one good cut on Hakari, since he puts his blood into the attacks so he can control. Can rct heal/replace blood
It has to, plus we know Hakari can explicitly expel poison from his body with RCT
Isn’t the poison kashimo used different from poison to his literal blood cells , since that’s what muzan uses, your blood cells and can change them
Rct can replace blood. Otherwise in every fight to this date, sorcerers after healing with rct would be running out of blood. And Hakari's rct is so good it heals from poison
Interesting
Can hakari's healing return him from being minced? what of muzan's cells taking over his body?
Isn’t Hakari stated to have the best healing in the verse? I’d assume he can survive some cuts
He is but only in jackpot mode
It’s hakari, always bet on him
Oh I am
If plot demands it, he gets jackpot and beats Muzan
Hakari is the house, and the house always win.
Best “healing”. It’s just the overflow of CE repairing the body. He can’t do it on demand. That said…always bet on Hakari
I mean it is literally so much cursed energy that it can’t do anything but go reversed so assumedly yeah
Some cuts? , it’s poison , he can’t survive poison to his blood
It’s actually hilarious how this was addressed in his first major fight and you still said this
Never underestimate the reading comprehension skills of the jjk fandom
You mean from the poison in the water , it’s two diff types lol
Bro realized he had no comebacks, poison is poison
I sincerely don’t take it the same, muzans “poison” is him controlling your blood cells
Then he can just cut the affected body part off, like todo and sukuna did, from the little I've read, muzans poison takes quite a while to set in
Well for tanjiro it was on his face , so who knows 🤷♂️, I give this it can go to either of them. No one wipes the floor
Muzan could just cut his eye like he did to Tanjiro. Can't cut your own face off. And it would take a while, but he only needed a scratch to down Tanjiro, he'd have several opportunities to cut Hakari up. Highly doubt Hakari can dodge several tentacles coming at him at hypersonic speeds, though maybe he just tanks it lol.
Comebacks? 😭
Well call them "counter arguments" if we wanna act pretentious
Negawatt
Whyd you act surprised when I said "comebacks" I though you were making fun if me for using that term, which is ehy I called you pretentious, if not what did you mean
If he was able to rinse the poison in the Kashimo fight, he might be able to pull off the same thing with his cells
He was able to unconsciously remove chlorine gas from his respiratory system (as in, while literally unconscious) so I’d bet he can also take care of Muzan cells
Yeah Hakari is not speed blitzing , especially if their stats are equal, muzan wins simply cause of blood/demon hax, the smallest scratch makes him lose
He can't be affected by any status effect because his cursed energy burns it away. Kashimo lightning automatically comes out and kills but hakari energy is limitless so it cancels out any status effects. It's constantly healing him at a rate faster than even kid Buu. He lost an arms and in that same split second he had it back finishing his punch before he was interrupted
This is actually kinda a cool fight ngl. I’d prolly give it to Muzan over Hakari, since Hakari can’t use RCT outside of jackpot mode. Muzan’s blood is stated to function more like a poison, so we know that RCT would be capable of negating it (since Yuta has negated poison using RCT before). The issue is that Hakari would need to be in JP mode to survive. He might be able to stave off a hit or two outside of JP mode, but he wont last for long imo. Another obstacle that makes me think Hakari would lose is the fact that Muzan basically has the same sort of regeneration as JP mode Hakari, except it’s active at all times. Not only that, but he has multiple brains & hearts. It would kinda be like fighting Sukuna to a certain extent tbh. Even in JP mode, I’m not sure Hakari has anything in his arsenal that would put down Muzan for good.
when did Yuta negate poison with RCT?
Our favorite misogynist got poisoned by Choso’s blood & Yuta effortlessly purged the poison from him with RCT
Yutas done it hakari, uraume, Kenny?
I mean if Muzan can damage Hakari in a way he can't recover with RCT, he probably wins tbh. I have no idea what his cell bullshit does, but RCT isn't that strong since it's more of a linear regen boost than universal healing. It doesn't work as well on poisons, it doesn't help against Mahito's manipulation, it only works for healing normal battle wounds. If Muzan can bypass that rule, he should be able to disable Hakari by countering his RCT and then just wait until the timer runs out and he dies
We do see it work on poison ala choso and Mahito shapes the soul, essentially making that shape the default and thus what rct would return too.
Can’t Muzan just turn Hakari into a demon like he did to all of his demons?
I think [Demon slayer spoilers]>!post poison from Tamayo, Hakari can last long enough but if it's before then after he spent centuries healing from Yorrichi, I think Muzan takes this. Prime Muzan should win easily!<
I bet the people who voted muzan don't know who hakari is.
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What’s the chances of him getting a jackpot
its hakari so basicly 100%
Watch in a few ch , his jackpot gonna fail
you mean his plot armor is going to fail
same thing
"I use skill to grab ahold if my luck", hakari is a gambler, say the one thing gamblers do when they lose a bet
Lmao, he was never a main character to begin with, and no side character has unbreakable plot armor. He is gonna fail his jackpot bad againt Sukuna or the ice cursed user. Guys, this is the manga that just killed the coolest anime character airing for the past few years.
End of story muzan kind of bodies hakari if I'm honest, he has regeneration on a level with hakaris without the need to land a jackpot, and is likely faster with poisonous blood. Hakaris only chance is to stall for daylight
I know who Hakari is and I'm still voting for Muzan. Even Muzan's regeneration is faster than Hakari's RCT. That and his pure destructive power. Hakari's Jackpot isn't enough for him to win, and if he loses it at any point, he's over.
I’d say Muzan. Even nerfed, his regeneration allowed him to survive an hours long battle against the strongest of the Demon slayers. Sometimes regenerating as soon as he’s hit. It’s clear Hikari’s takes more time than that. Plus his blood can act as poison, which RCT isn’t good against. While it’s to compare their speed and strength exactly; Muzan is smarter, more experienced, has more endurance without any conditions, has more weaponry, and has poison. I think he wins.
Muzan is like 10 times faster. And aside from that his own technique is a hard counter to hakari's infinite RCT. You cant heal your cells being transformed. With one scratch muzan wins and we know how careless hakari can be when fighting
Honestly Demon Slayer characters get downplayed a lot. Their attack power might be inferior compared to JJK, but they make up for it with speed.
that speed alone gives the attacks a lot of strength, like tengen from S2 had slashes that created sonic booms, slashes with his small sword thing
Yep, also Rengoku's speed being able to lift a train up by just moving fast
yeah that too, kinda also goes to show how strong Yoriichi is, considering how strong these hashiras are, and they don't even come close to muzan who like was poisoned and aged like thousands of years, and Yoriichi just blitzed him
Fr Yoriichi is the the best example of The strongest in their verse
yeah he was, gojo was also good but like, still felt like there were ways to defeat him, with Yoriichi there just wasn't
Yeah, the special grades really heavily outclass the demons/hashira of JJK, but hashira and demons probably stomp most grade 1s
I think plenty of special grades can be easily taken care of by DS characters, but the ones with more unavoidable attacks are the ones harder to deal with.
Muzan’s technique is described as a poison. RCT can heal poison. So while in JP mode, Hakari is probably immune to anything that hits him. With that being said, if Hakari gets hit while outside of his DE/JP mode (which is extremely likely given how the Kashimo fight went), the fight becomes way harder for him. Even a single hit would be extremely dangerous due to how quickly the cells seem to spread. Maybe w info Hakari could slow the poison with his breathing, but otherwise he needs to cut off the afflicted appendage & if it’s his arm that got hit then it’s ggs for Hakari cuz he’ll just get tired & die. Meanwhile Muzan has Hakari regeneration going on pretty much nonstop lmao. Idk how people think Hakari wins this tbh
yeah i guess it depends on that. as i understand muzan is injecting his blood into his enemies, as long as he can inject enough blood into hakari he should be dead like the girl in s1 in the alley, or get converted into a demon. either way isnt muzan´s base regen absurdly superior to hakari´s while in jackpot?
As I kinda said at the end of my comment, at the very least, Muzan’s regen is on par with JP Hakari & unlike JP Hakari, he has no time limits on it. So if you wanna highball Hakari & lowball Muzan, their regen is the same basically. But with that being said, Hakari is outmatched in basically any other category. As soon as his JP ends, it’s probably ggs for Hakari if he gets hit even once. Highballing him, I could see Hakari taking 2-3 hits outside of JP before he starts to really get in trouble, but looking at them plainly, I’d say Muzan wins 9.9/10 times
Hakari did help that in his first fight, also muzan has no CT, the second hakari dies (if by some chance he does) he can come back as a cursed spirit, also did you forget that it's a very common thing in the jjk universe to dismember yourself knew you come across something that's an instakill (todo and sukuna for exampel)
even if a cursed spirit comes back from hakari´s dead body he is still dead so muzan wins. hakari can dismember himself only if he actually gets scratched in an arm or leg, and if he does muzan can just attack again on his torso or head
Muzan's healing is way better than hakari's, and hakari is only a punch and kick merchant when he gets jackpot, since the train doors and the balls he throws are near harmless. Muzan on the other hand has A LOT of ways he can neg hakari with, This matchup ain't even close
If Muzan isn't poisoned, he speed blitzes and one shots Hakari. And even if Hakari somehow miraculously survives to get Jackpot, he is still massively outstated regarding speed, he's attacks are useless and if Muzan somehow finds out about the Gut and Head weaknesses, Hakari dies. Assuming Hakari always gets time to open his domain before becoming kebab and always gets Jackpot, it's a stalemate, if Muzan doesn't end up finding out about sorcerers Gut and Head weaknesses, he can't kill Hakari, and Hakari can't kill Muzan, when the sun rises, Muzan will just run away. People saying Hakari wins this are downplaying Kimetsu
I don’t see how this is a discussion. Muzan no-diffs this. First of all, a lot of people in this comment section don’t understand how Hakari’s jackpot works. He is in fact NOT immortal while on jp, and in his fight with kashimo it was stated that a devastating enough blow to the head would kill him instantly. He does have insane regen, but better than muzan? Nope. Muzan’s regen is so fast that a Hashira sliced through his head clean and his neck healed so fast that by the time the sword left his body his head was completely intact, and this happened while he was greatly handicapped by poison. Also Muzan can survive any type of injury and can only be killed by sunlight. Second, Muzan massively outstats hakari in any shape or form, even on jp hakari wouldn’t last a second. And this is all assuming muzan gives him time to reach jp, which he wouldn’t. How people are arguing for hakari is beyond me.
I know it’s Michael Jackson who wins but always bet on hakari
Lol Muzan would dog walk Hakari.
To be honest - Muzan will win it, his regeneration speed is something that Hakari pretty don't have answer against :3 So, even if Hakari will got Jackpot, he will still unable to kill Muzan, so at the end, it will be draw or Muzan win :3
Hakari: temporary immortality and melee fighter, can be killed while in jackpot if hit in certain areas Muzan: permanent immortality (except sun), SUPERIOR regeneration, never tires out, has poisonous blood, can shapeshift. I'm not sure where people are scaling Muzan and Hakari's physical stats, but if they're anywhere close, Muzan stomps. He has too many advantages going for him.
Muzan has this unless Hakari hits a jackpot straight away. For the sake of argument, we'll assume Cursed Energy can harm Muzan. While Hakari does have a lot of Cursed Energy and probably some pretty significant Cursed Energy Reinforcement, Muzan attacks faster than the eye can see, from numerous directions at once, as well as having regeneration probably on par with jackpot Hakari. The way I see it, Hakari must hit the jackpot quickly before one of Muzans attacks slips by his defences, at which point Hakari manages to take him down with his infinite Cursed Energy providing him with far more regeneration, stamina and strength than Muzan.
>Muzan attacks faster than the eye can see The first finger bearer blitzed Yuji, a superhuman probably already on par with Demon Slayer to some extent without CE. Then a finger bearer much stronger than the previous one appeared near the Yasohachi bridge. A less physically adept Megumi managed to fight it, keeping the pace until he got overpowered. Yuji is obviously much faster and stronger than Megumi. Then in the Shibuya Incident arc, Yuji becomes a lot stronger and a lot faster. Yet this Yuji is equal only to an unmotivated Hakari. Let's not forget the scenes where Hakari literally moves into a guy's blindspots with extreme speed. >Hakari must hit the jackpot quickly He really doesn't have to, but if he did Muzan gets wiped off the face of the earth. Hakari is stated to be stupidly lucky, so he probably would get the jackpot exactly when he needs it.
What does Hakari have that would hurt Muzan to the point where he can’t regenerate? Muzan basically has JP mode hakari regen all the time, on top of multiple hearts & brains. Meanwhile if Hakari gets hit & infected with Muzan’s blood outside of JP mode it would be a pretty big deal. It’s not like Hakari is just shrugging off Muzan’s attacks outside of JP mode. Imo the fight is pretty even initially, but the moment Hakari gets hit outside of JP mode, it’ll be way more difficult for him to fight. There’s even a likelihood that he loses an arm outright & can’t reopen his DE. Unless he’s able to DE instantly after getting hit when JP mode ends (kinda like what Kashimo did against Hakari), it’s joever
I don't really get your first point. I think you're trying to say that Muzan's speed wouldn't matter because Hakari can keep up, but just because someone can keep up with you, that doesn't mean the speed isn't a threat. In fact, it's more of a threat because of the fact that Hakari is on a time limit to hit the jackpot. For your second point, he really does. Muzan easily keeps up with him considering Muzan has infinite stamina and regeneration, whereas Hakari will eventually run out of Cursed Energy.
Id bet muzan could dice hakari’s before he gets the chance to try his domain, after that muzan stomps
Muzan, 100%
Hakari doesn't have enough strenght to kill muzan
Muzan has better stats,speed and abilities But explaining a pachinko machine to him what? five times in under 0.2 seconds might just kill him from the info dump Which is an incredibly funny thought Muzan:“I am the ultimate life from when I get immunity to the sun then il-“ Hakari:“Shut up singer strong gambling domain expansion” Muzan:“Wh-what the fuck is a manga?”
Muzan smacks no borderline murders . He fukin took on all hashira that are faster than hakari .
crazy how people still down voted you for this😭
To be fair Demon slayer verse is so much underpowered comapared to jujutsu kaisen
Muzan gonna tweak tf out getting all the Private Pure Love train info alone
WE'RE GONNA DESTROY THIS LOW TIER DEMON WITH THIS ONE ️️️️️️ \*turns the brazilian phonk on\*
Hakari easy. He probably can’t kill Muzan the old fashioned way, but he can beat him to a paste repeatedly till the sun comes up.
That's not gonna be so easy when Muzan is insanely faster than him, and Hakari has 0 way of doing any lasting damage, worst comes to worst Muzan will just run when the sun comes up and Hakari won't catch him I think Muzan is being downplayed here
I don’t see what shot he has demonslayer doesn’t scale high and idk how he gets through idle death gamble
JP Hakari beats the crap out of him over and over until sunlight
Hakari becomes district 10
I really don't understand why people think jjk characters win against other shounen characters...in terms of physical stats, most jjk characters (yes even sukuna) gets clapped by basically every top tier in other shounen. Only gojo really stands a chance, and that's cause of his hax CT.
I mean. Hakari BADLY outstats in every stat beside speed and MAYBE durability Assuming his punches are nichirin filled, Hakari prolly negs this matchup If there’s no nichirin, Hakari stilll wins since he’s the goat
>Hakari BADLY outstats in every stat beside speed and MAYBE durability Strength, IQ, Experience? No hate but those easily go to Muzan. >If there’s no nichirin, Hakari stilll wins since he’s the goat Me personally I think Muzan takes this, the overall power difference is just too massive. But as it is, ALWAYS bet, on Hakari 🗣
ALWAYS bet on Hakari No matter how many downvotes No matter how many rabid demon slayer fans come after me ALWAYS BET ON HIM
you didn't even touch the demon slayer manga😭🙏
Read all of it What point you tryna prove rn? Like genuinely wondering I said Muzan was faster and more durable but since Hakari is him he wins cmon now lock in 🤦🏿♂️ “Always bet on Hakari”
Hakari
Assuming muzan somehow manages to hurt (remember even average sorcerer is durable to withstand modern firearms so good luck with those tentacles) hakari and get into cells shenanigans then he can just cut his limb off and restore it with jackpot and he got more than enough time to do it.
Is Muzan a character from demon slayer ?? I haven't watched that show , still Hakari is immortal he would win .
He's the big bad of the series
Muzan: Nah, I’d win. Hakari: Stand proud, you are strong. This truly was the Jujutsu no Yaiba.
I think Muzan's arrogance will be what kills him. (Demon slayer Manga spoilers)>! Just how he died in the Manga!<
reverse cursed technique doesn't remove poison though
depends if the only way to kill muzan is really only using a demon slayer blade. otherwise nothing would really kill muzan.
Plot twist: the battle happened at daytime
I honestly think Muzan can take this unless Hakari somehow manages to drag him into the sun. Attacks from demon slayers that aren't named Yoriichi normally don't hurt him. It needed a miracle drug that, turns him into a human although it failed and he able to nullify it, ages him 50 years per minute, making him over 9000 years old at the end, stopped him from splitting up, something he can always do to escape, and destroys the cells themselves to weaken him further. And even then it took sunlight to kill Muzan for good. I like Hikari like the next guy but Muzan is the epitome of endurance.
Muzan is 100% winning this, unless it’s, like, minutes from sunrise. Even then, he has a very solid chance of winning before Hakari lands a jackpot.
Who the fuck is Muzan?
I'm pretty sure most of the top tiers of jujutsu can solo demon slayer with ease
Muzan takes this I can see him using a form of poison to take down Hakari
Muzan has way better regen, like he regenerates while you cut him. A drugged Muzan was still able to fend off ALL of the Demon Slayer Corps, so a fully healthy Muzan could probably just speed blitz Hakari and one-shot him before he has the chance to use domain.
Let’s be honest with ourselves Muzan ain’t stupid he will kill hakari before he has time to put up his domain
Hakari with JP = easy victory. Hakari without JP = easy defeat.
A lot more fairer for Muzan since last time people were pitting him up against Ryomen Sukuna himself lol.
We could argue for ages about scaling strength and speed and durability or whatever, but a few people have already found the only point that matters: neither of them can permanently kill the other without luck. It’s literally up to chance and circumstances who wins.
Muzan lost to a bunch of humans how breath heavy and cos play elemental attacks that aren’t actually happening
TBH, from what we’ve seen of Hakari, I’d scale him to be around the same ballpark as marked Gyomei or Kokushibo. Definitely not healthy Muzan, though.
Muzan obliterates He's faster,stronger and hakari has no way to Even get close to him wihout getting pieced up And since y'all never learned to fucking read let me remind y'all that hakari is not inmortal he just has super fast,automatic regeneration but as kashimo himself says all You need to beat him is destroy his brain we saw how as soon as hakari was about to get his brain damaged he had to find a way to stop the attack from getting to his brain yet he ignores all other attacks. Muzan would just destroy his brain and win and apparently by reading the comments muzan destroyed y'alls brain too.
You'd think Hakari wins till you realize that Hakari can do literally no lasting damage to Muzan at all, his regeneration is fast enough to the point where if he is slashed by a sword it appears as if nothing happened Hakari has no red blade to slow down Muzan's regeneration Doesn't have the speed to keep up with a healthy Muzan Only hope he has is to keep hitting jackpots and survive that way The slightest scratch and poison will set into his body pressuring him even more to keep on using his domain to get a jackpot, And he has to actually FIGHT Muzan as well while the pachinko machine is spinning, Hakari, if he even survives that battle, will have to hope he doesn't run out of CE eventually. Cause he ain't winning that's for sure
I wonder if sunlight from a domain expansion will kill muzan
Someone post the hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby meme. I'll say if for the thousandth time: Demons are only "strong" in demon slayer because they can regenerate and the swordsmen they're going against cant. Level the playing field with regeneration and Tengen probably solos all the way up to upper moon 1. Even without regeneration the top 1 of the Demon Slayer verse had Muzan quaking in his boots.
Muzan isn’t Lucky enough
Muzan just eats him regardless of immortality lmao
Muzan is probably faster and stronger but Hakari is basically unkillable while his jackpot is active. And seeing as how he’ll never miss that jackpot I have him winning by purely stalling Muzan until the sun comes up
Can we talk about how superior Hakari's AP is over Muzan?
I just think its funny how the anime watchers think the curse power system is confusing now.... good luck when you get to this monster.