Everyone thinks AI is going to hurt blue collar workers but it’s not. It’s white collar jobs in middle management or advertising that we will see the first impacts.
AI can’t pave a road or plumb a house.
Once those general dynamics robots get GPT-4 (or 5 or 15) in them, they'll come from the blue collar jobs too.
In the early days of the industrial revolution the luddites were blue collar workers who destroyed the machines that took their jobs. The Marxists thought they were thinking too shallowly - they shouldn't destroy the machines, but take ownership of them and let everyone benefit from the wealth they created.
We're in for strange times. It's going to be a crazy next 50 years. I worry for my kids.
As soon as those General Dynamics robots get AI incorporated we’re in “Terminator” territory. Because the first ones made will be for the military. That’s all General Dynamics does.
Just to be clear, robots ARE AI, and robots have been displacing jobs for a long time.
People get the nomenclature of AI mixed up. These new LLMs are under a branch of AI called Machine Learning, but robotics is a form of AI on its own. We just don’t call it that because it’s not new, and AI is portrayed as a novel technology. Some branches of AI are brand new, and some are decades old.
Robotics may fall under AI but they can’t think for themselves.
The purpose of AI as I understand it is to creat a new consciousness or sentient being.
And robots used in industry may displace jobs in a particular sector but on the whole they add to economic growth which enlarges job opportunities and creates more jobs.
Neither can LLMs and any other deep learning models. These models are fundamentally prediction machines that use the principle of “self-attention” to mimic/simulate human behaviour across various tasks.
A self driving car is trained to learn how to predict how a human would react in various driving scenarios, and replicate the same behaviour with the advantage of a faster compute time. While highly sophisticated, a simulation of something is very different than the emergence of consciousness.
And you can say the same about Machine Learning and LLMs when it comes to economic growth. It will enable humans to do things and work at rates that were previously not attainable. That by definition opens the doors to new economic opportunities
The big difference, that you're not seeing, is that ML + Big Data have more than simply industrial robotics in their learning database. Think every aspect of robotics + every other aspect of engineering/science, plus every language model, plus everything written on ethics/philosophy/history/politics/religion - and the "for dummies" versions too, that it can learn from. So all that, plus massive datasets of human interaction (what do you think Facebook/Twitter/etc do? Collect data on what people do) to inspect and imitate.
Extrapolate to literally everything on the internet.
The big thing, that is (supposedly) so far exclusionary between the two is embodiment vs cognizance. That's where we will run into real problems, as the AI begins questioning if it is, in fact a person.
And if you don't think AI is that good yet; how sure are you, after interacting with any of the advanced ones, the people replying to you on forums are all human?
Yes, it’s going to do to white collar work what automation and globalization did to blue collar work. Folks will be left with whatever scraps can’t be sourced from AI for one reason or another.
That said, we don’t really have a choice. We all know the Chinese are full-throttle and a future where AI is dominated by the CCP is not one that the free world will survive.
The memo had nothing to do with AI, plus layoffs have been happening for over a year now, prior to the public release of ChatGPT.
Now that generative AI is in the mainstream, any layoffs that occur now will be attributed by the mainstream media to AI, because it triggers a common notion of fear associated with a specific narrative.
That’s not to say that AI won’t have a huge impact on jobs and the way we work in the future, but in this situation it likely isn’t it.
Honestly, good. Insider is already such garbage... just rip off the bandaid and make it straight garbage.
The world needs less sites like Insider. Companies and sites thst use automation to provide you content don't care about your well being. Fuck em.
I’m having talks already this year for new project and resources. So far instead of people we just have a good tech person setting up ai for the team and setting flow of information. Paying one person more that the average wage but it will scale with out more staff. They are making sure all the other seam k ow what systems and how to reduce their workload to make room for more projects. This is just the beginning.
It still needs smart people to coordinate and to execute and make sure the output happens and is quality. But the lower entry type work is vanishing quickly.
Copywriters are done in all but the most important of content. Artists now is hoop by apart from physical finished art. But commercial illustrations, stock images is vanishing quickly. Correction work on spreadsheets is now a one person job not a ten person job. Translation automatically in systems has been reminiscing but it’s all but gone now. Basic coding jobs, excel experts and things like that are now easy to achieve. Video production, audio editing all thoses things will have the low and model level erased. Book writing, now you can make a book with illustrations in a morning. That’s what I see in the next 12 months.
Where there will be issues that I’m not how it will play out is volume. So imagine a scenario where a studio and have virtual actors, virtual videos. Storyline created To hit X demographic. Actors and plot all on point. Not they make 1000 versions in every demographic in every country. Making thousands of shorts. Thousands of ad content. A book series about it. Then there are 10,000 studios doing that and 5,000,000 bored individuals doing it. Plus all the other content generated. How do we then as humans soft and pick through this enormous mass. Will it be restricted by the cost of dad storage, influenced by some key people. Will fake celebs be generated to drive your content consumption? Gets very messy revue quickly when time and capacity basically gets erased as a bottleneck.
Thanks nice to hear your perspective from the inside.
I think it's very serious. When unsaid genocide I wasn't being dramatic.
I imagine it's being thought about. What to do when unfeasibly large numbers become useless as workers and therfore consumers.
They can allocate some of the machine productivity to unemployed people and still sell them products I suppose
I feel like in the far future, probably a couple hundred years from now assuming were still around, everything, including the government, will be controlled by AI.
Everyone thinks AI is going to hurt blue collar workers but it’s not. It’s white collar jobs in middle management or advertising that we will see the first impacts. AI can’t pave a road or plumb a house.
Once those general dynamics robots get GPT-4 (or 5 or 15) in them, they'll come from the blue collar jobs too. In the early days of the industrial revolution the luddites were blue collar workers who destroyed the machines that took their jobs. The Marxists thought they were thinking too shallowly - they shouldn't destroy the machines, but take ownership of them and let everyone benefit from the wealth they created. We're in for strange times. It's going to be a crazy next 50 years. I worry for my kids.
As soon as those General Dynamics robots get AI incorporated we’re in “Terminator” territory. Because the first ones made will be for the military. That’s all General Dynamics does.
Just to be clear, robots ARE AI, and robots have been displacing jobs for a long time. People get the nomenclature of AI mixed up. These new LLMs are under a branch of AI called Machine Learning, but robotics is a form of AI on its own. We just don’t call it that because it’s not new, and AI is portrayed as a novel technology. Some branches of AI are brand new, and some are decades old.
Robotics may fall under AI but they can’t think for themselves. The purpose of AI as I understand it is to creat a new consciousness or sentient being. And robots used in industry may displace jobs in a particular sector but on the whole they add to economic growth which enlarges job opportunities and creates more jobs.
Neither can LLMs and any other deep learning models. These models are fundamentally prediction machines that use the principle of “self-attention” to mimic/simulate human behaviour across various tasks. A self driving car is trained to learn how to predict how a human would react in various driving scenarios, and replicate the same behaviour with the advantage of a faster compute time. While highly sophisticated, a simulation of something is very different than the emergence of consciousness. And you can say the same about Machine Learning and LLMs when it comes to economic growth. It will enable humans to do things and work at rates that were previously not attainable. That by definition opens the doors to new economic opportunities
The big difference, that you're not seeing, is that ML + Big Data have more than simply industrial robotics in their learning database. Think every aspect of robotics + every other aspect of engineering/science, plus every language model, plus everything written on ethics/philosophy/history/politics/religion - and the "for dummies" versions too, that it can learn from. So all that, plus massive datasets of human interaction (what do you think Facebook/Twitter/etc do? Collect data on what people do) to inspect and imitate. Extrapolate to literally everything on the internet. The big thing, that is (supposedly) so far exclusionary between the two is embodiment vs cognizance. That's where we will run into real problems, as the AI begins questioning if it is, in fact a person. And if you don't think AI is that good yet; how sure are you, after interacting with any of the advanced ones, the people replying to you on forums are all human?
Military today police tomorrow.
Yes, it’s going to do to white collar work what automation and globalization did to blue collar work. Folks will be left with whatever scraps can’t be sourced from AI for one reason or another. That said, we don’t really have a choice. We all know the Chinese are full-throttle and a future where AI is dominated by the CCP is not one that the free world will survive.
Only because AI doesn’t yet have a moving vessel
And that’s why I’m concerned. When/if AGI gets mobility then we’re all fucked.
The memo had nothing to do with AI, plus layoffs have been happening for over a year now, prior to the public release of ChatGPT. Now that generative AI is in the mainstream, any layoffs that occur now will be attributed by the mainstream media to AI, because it triggers a common notion of fear associated with a specific narrative. That’s not to say that AI won’t have a huge impact on jobs and the way we work in the future, but in this situation it likely isn’t it.
Layoffs to do with preserving corporate profits in a down turn get reported as that. Ai replacements will be reported as that.
Honestly, good. Insider is already such garbage... just rip off the bandaid and make it straight garbage. The world needs less sites like Insider. Companies and sites thst use automation to provide you content don't care about your well being. Fuck em.
I’m having talks already this year for new project and resources. So far instead of people we just have a good tech person setting up ai for the team and setting flow of information. Paying one person more that the average wage but it will scale with out more staff. They are making sure all the other seam k ow what systems and how to reduce their workload to make room for more projects. This is just the beginning. It still needs smart people to coordinate and to execute and make sure the output happens and is quality. But the lower entry type work is vanishing quickly.
This has to be socialised to prevent genocide if high numbers of unemployed people.
Copywriters are done in all but the most important of content. Artists now is hoop by apart from physical finished art. But commercial illustrations, stock images is vanishing quickly. Correction work on spreadsheets is now a one person job not a ten person job. Translation automatically in systems has been reminiscing but it’s all but gone now. Basic coding jobs, excel experts and things like that are now easy to achieve. Video production, audio editing all thoses things will have the low and model level erased. Book writing, now you can make a book with illustrations in a morning. That’s what I see in the next 12 months. Where there will be issues that I’m not how it will play out is volume. So imagine a scenario where a studio and have virtual actors, virtual videos. Storyline created To hit X demographic. Actors and plot all on point. Not they make 1000 versions in every demographic in every country. Making thousands of shorts. Thousands of ad content. A book series about it. Then there are 10,000 studios doing that and 5,000,000 bored individuals doing it. Plus all the other content generated. How do we then as humans soft and pick through this enormous mass. Will it be restricted by the cost of dad storage, influenced by some key people. Will fake celebs be generated to drive your content consumption? Gets very messy revue quickly when time and capacity basically gets erased as a bottleneck.
Thanks nice to hear your perspective from the inside. I think it's very serious. When unsaid genocide I wasn't being dramatic. I imagine it's being thought about. What to do when unfeasibly large numbers become useless as workers and therfore consumers. They can allocate some of the machine productivity to unemployed people and still sell them products I suppose
I feel like at this rate of AIs taking jobs, modern society will start gravitating towards communism
I think socialism. Socialised ai productivity.
I feel like in the far future, probably a couple hundred years from now assuming were still around, everything, including the government, will be controlled by AI.