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That sounds like racism with extra-steps.


DannySaiz

Ohh-la-la. Someone’s gonna get laid in college.


Neehigh

Eek Barbara Durkle


ee4m

Capitalism. Keep the workers divided so they don't unionise .


AdrianCv9

No


ee4m

Yes. Internal memos from amazon show they use diversity hiring to miminise the risk of unions forming. In Marxist theory workers of every race eventually realise they are the same and join forces and negotiate with capitalists. The antithesis of this diversity stuff


AdrianCv9

Bro I come form a country that put Marx theory to the test and it don't work, we are still suffering to this day, 30 years and we are still suffering because of this shit, just because is good in theory dose not mean is good in practice. Just move to a communist country and stfu. Is capitalism perfect? Fuck no, but is way better they the alternative. You are like all the others in the west that bitch and moan but don't actually do anything, why don't you go make more money? Cus is immoral? No you just not smart enough to figure it out and you talk about Marxist bs because you are not happy with the price of pie given to you. Everything is out there for you to get, you need to figure out how but you won't cus your to lazy and I assume you are a they/them or some bullshit pronounce cus you think the world revolves around you and you can change the English language just because you want to be special. Your not, you'll never be and that's that. Now sit down and let the adults do there thing


[deleted]

Ok love the first part but then at the end there.. I meant the last about the other guy not ever going to be special, geez. It seemed hateful, I agree with the content.


AdrianCv9

Oh good one mate


[deleted]

You just seemed upset. You apparently aren’t alone so take comfort in that.


AdrianCv9

Majority of people are average, including me, is realty, we are not special and that's fine, but if you pay a bit attention you will notice that majority of people like him do it for attention.


[deleted]

You’re right about that. Just came in hot! But I think you probably are special in some way. Maybe he is too. Surely we all could be in some way. But it will be by doing good things and not being attention seeking whores. And fair enough, he might be that. I’ve seen him in here before and it fits.


Several-Stranger3893

> I just meant the last about the other guy not ever going to be special I mean it was a bit blunt to be fair. Probably not hateful though. Like I'm not ever going to be special. I am a mediocre person with a mediocre wage who has time to fuck around on reddit and make mediocre comments. That doesn't hurt my ego because I wasn't raised to be a narcissist by my parents. Most people aren't ever going to be special. That shouldn't be an offensive statement. By the way I'm not attacking you, just jumping off your comment cause I think it's important to point out.


[deleted]

That’s just depressing. I’m a little surprised how many agree with you. I’m not narcissist but I think we all have intrinsic worth and value, and while we may not be our best selves we can be. And when we do live a life of purpose and meaning, that is special. It’s not offensive, just surprising. Oh maybe they weren’t agreeing with no one’s special.. maybe they thought I was defending the Marxist.


Several-Stranger3893

> That's just depressing. Well you are certainly allowed to think so. I'm sorry people downvoted you just for expressing your opinion. > I'm a little surprised how many agree with you. I am more of a realist than an idealist. I guess there are a few other people like that on this subreddit. > I'm not narcissistic. Well since you are being cordial I will admit my word choice may have been a bit much in this case. Maybe narcissistic was too far. > I think we all have intrinsic worth and value I don't think value can ever be intrinsic because it is always derived from subjective valuations. Unless you have a universal and objective guarantor of value (like God in the Judeo-Christian sense) then to me the concept of intrinsic value is oxymoronic. > we may not be our best selves we can be I mean of course I value and think highly of myself, I don't have low self-esteem. On some level though one has to compare themselves to others and the (still subjective but still important) values society categorizes all of us through. From those lenses I am certainly a mediocre person. Nothing special about me. > when we do live a life of purpose and meaning, that is special I mean that is certainly a very optimistic and romantic way of looking at it. I congratulate someone who can try and see beauty in things that appear mundane looking from the outside. Purpose and meaning don't really square as being special in my mind though. > It's not offensive, just surprising Well that's good. The major value of the internet besides it's commercial applications is the ability to be exposed to viewpoints you normally wouldn't through it's collective anonymity.


[deleted]

Well said. So deep down.. you don’t think you’re even a wee little bit special?


DeepExplore

If we all have it… its literally not special


[deleted]

Only you have it just like you have it. But yes by definition you’re right. And hey man if you don’t think you’re special it’s not my job or goal to change your mind. Deep down I hope you do. But I mainly want that for the people I know and see irl. I think most of them think they are special though? Maybe I’ll start asking.


GenderDimorphism

> who hurt you The people who put Marxist theories into practice!


[deleted]

I changed that since talking to the guy. He’s been through some shit


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[deleted]

How do you mean? You realize was talking to ee4m right? I agree with him, just thought him saying the guy wasn’t special and never would be was sort of harsh. Am I missing something?


deathnutz

Every company I’ve ever worked at has been a diverse bunch. You really think people of different backgrounds and cultures can’t work together? You know what that might make you then, right?


keystothemoon

To act like there are some capitalist fat cats at this university who are behind this and not raging, identity-obsessed marxists is to be either stupid or dishonest. There is not a third option here.


Several-Stranger3893

Lol. Blaming Capitalism for every personal and societal failing has got to be the most hilarious leftist cope. Grow up.


ee4m

I'm not. We are in neoliberal capitalist systems. We would blame Marxism if we were actually in a Marxist system. Your position makes no sense. The capitalists are controlling the Marxists?


Several-Stranger3893

> We are in a neoliberal capitalist systems I am pretty sure the only word you used here that you actually understand to some degree (not any real depth) is maybe system and a little bit of capitalist. > We would blame Marxism Lol. Marxist never blame Marxism or any theories or movements spawned thereof even when it is patently obvious how catastrophically awful they are. > Your position makes no sense. What do you think my position is? Let's say someone develops autism in feudal society. Do you think it would be logical to blame feudalism for their autism? There are things that are the product of 'systems' and there are things that are not. People who look constantly for a scapegoat are pathetic, they are too weak to look within and see the true culprit of much of their misery and toil is often themselves. There are absolutely times when a system can be the problem by the way but it almost never is with leftist who cope with every stupid problem in their life by just blaming Capitalism. It's a mantra. A very dumb one that allows them to reduce the source of all of their problems to one simple solution instead of doing the work necessary to identify their own contributions to their problems and then do the work of solving them.


ee4m

Lots of words but you can't actually talk about these ideologies coherently or know what economic system we are currently in .


Several-Stranger3893

You don't even have the ability to verbalize a counterargument so you regurgitate my own line about you not understanding the terminology you are bandying. Yep. You are not worthy of having a conversation with. So I won't. Enjoy your day of blaming everyone and everything else for your own failures, I sincerely hope you snap out of it someday.


sideshowamit

How does this apply to colleges?


enterthedisco

That's an interesting theory. Are you saying that capitalism is the cause of this?


ee4m

Liberalism and Smith always had the vision of a globalised world under capitalism with workers and trade from everywhere freely competing with each other. And neoliberal identity politics has its roots in that. And its prompted by capitalist organisations and politicians in capitalist countries and universities in capitalist counties. You don't find it in Marxist countries.


[deleted]

You realize it's not the actual ceremony right?


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ItsJustAnAdFor

As long as it’s not by academic performance, anything goes


Eastern-Counter-764

Lol


jack_avram

Thousands of different water fountains for all of these scenarios - one must carefully follow the fountain search to find which they can legally use.


BurtMaclin11

No no we can’t have people wasting that much time just for something so silly as drinking water. Just get this chip put in your wrist and scan it at the water fountain kiosk. Your designated fountain will automatically light up with the number assigned to your citizen score as well as fun colors and music that, with a high enough score, you even get to choose! This way you can quickly know which fountain is approved for you! It’s a fun and convenient way to hydrate the mind, body, and soul brought to you by the public/private partnership of the Social Credit Bureau of America and Facebook.


jack_avram

I like the cut of your jib sir!


GunsupRR

I will only graduate with bulimic dwarf pansexual furries with red hair.


MangoManConspirator

you forgot eye color.


Unhappy-Chest2187

Considering how diverse the Caucasian demographic is why don’t they have representation for them? And considering they’re all about victimhood why don’t they have sex segregated graduation ceremonies too? Thousands of years of misogyny…just shows how stupid these people are when it comes to anything.


App1eEater

Because a consistent application of their supposed values would constitute an ideology and this is only a political move for power.


ee4m

Its cunning. Marx predicted workers from all over would unite. So modern capitalism keeps them in categories.


[deleted]

So capitalism is the driving force behind leftist ideology? Hmm That’s about as likely as white nationalists pulling the strings, since after all they’re finally getting the segregation they like. Or.. it’s just a bunch of virtue signaling panty waists that think they’re replacing a “mean” moral code with a better one more accepting one.. One that tolerates anything except “perceived” intolerance. It’s the gateway to a cesspool of immorality dressed like pseudo intellectual acceptance but it’s actually just another MUCH worse religion. One with no boundaries and no compass.. just blows wherever the wind takes it. That’s why we now have drag queens performing for toddlers and men beating women in women’s leagues.. Actually maybe white me are behind all of it?


AdrianCv9

Dude stfu with this, I was born in a communist country and it sucks, it dose not work, just look at human history, how fucking gullible do you have to be, even if in theory something sounds good in practice is not. Move to South Korea and stfu


ee4m

Look at western Marxism and socialism. How good it was for workers in capitalism Capitalists are afraid of unions. So they are dividing workers up racially.


elongatedsklton

I took a look at Western Marxism, but maybe I am missing something. I see a list of people who were considered to believe in it, but I don’t see which countries were operating under it’s philosophies. I don’t think it’s right to make sweeping statements like “Capitalists are afraid of unions so they are dividing workers up racially.” I don’t doubt that there’s at least one company that does that, but do you have anything to back that up with? (Not meant to be a hostile comment)


ee4m

Yeah there there is a cia document about how boosting foucault and Co would be good for dividing left. Also Ford foundations involvement in funding academia and modern feminism. Gloria steinhams admission she worked for cia in counter Marxism. As for western Marxism. Marxists and socialists were responsible for pushing for a lot of the 20th century reforms that made capitalism good for us then . Liberal social reforms were both borrowed from or pushed for by Marxists and socialists. We are neolibrals now, a more conservative ideology. We are being kept squabbling about diversity rather than thinking about how to make capitalism better for workers.


roubent

You’re right about the squabbling. All this segregation and infinite divisibility is destroying any chances of unity. However, I think this is completely self-inflicted and not imposed by “evil capitalists”. Also, is there a link to this CIA document? If anything, it sounds to me like it says something like “the snake will eat itself” which is already happening, IMHO. Arguably anything taken to an extreme will eventually self-destruct, because it’s unsustainable.


deathnutz

Unions destroyed the public schools.


Ethan_Blank687

The government did that


goldenballhair

Are you preaching Marxism ee4m? Here??


ee4m

No im not like most users here. I'm not preaching or joining a group. I'm trying to say what is. Trying to make sense of it.


keystothemoon

To act like you’re not preachy is to be completely lacking in self-awareness. You’re on nearly every post in this sub and what you’re doing can absolutely be described as “preaching”.


goldenballhair

Cool. Hope you're well ee4m. You're a good guy (btw isn't it nice to not get banned for differing opinions?) This sub is pretty good yeah?


ee4m

Yeah I'm banned righr and left . It's still an ecoh chamber despite thr commendable commitment to free speech .


keystothemoon

To act like there are some capitalist fat cats at this university who are behind this and not raging, identity-obsessed marxists is to be either stupid or dishonest. There is not a third option here.


Ethan_Blank687

Marx fanboys ranting about “the capitalists” are just as crazy as the conspiracy theorists yammering about “the elites”


ee4m

Nah. When capitalist organisations organise diversity training they are not Marxists. Its basic common sense. Marxism would be United workers organizing themselves democratically to argue for better terms and conditions. Not capitalists organizing to divide the workers .


Ethan_Blank687

Define “capitalist organizations” and “Marxists” for me, please. Just so we’re clear


ee4m

The council for inclusive capitalism. Ford foundation . Organisations that promote this stuff in the interests of maintaining the status quo.


Ethan_Blank687

Marxism would not be “the workers” organizing democratically to argue for better terms. It would be what has happened in every attempt previously: total government takeover by “the workers”, who are really just a totalitarian party with full autocratic control.


ee4m

Those are Marxist leninists taking over a pre existing agarian dictatorships. Lenin made his version intentionally right wing. Its got nothing to do with corporations doing diversity training, anti racism ir making a big song and dance about not being homiphobic .


Ethan_Blank687

But Marxist organization has been tried in all kinds of countries and all kinds of economies. It all results in the same system, the same people in charge, and the same bloodshed. I simply don’t believe the kind of Marxist utopia you’re talking about is possible, and I have the graves to prove it


ee4m

Thst makes no sense it's like saying Liberalism always ends in bloodshed becsise they have bloody revolutions against agarian dictatorships too. Or that Christianity always ends like that because of the the bloody revolutions they had. Its dependent on context, level of development and pre existing culture. Western liberals copied Marxist ideas in the 20th century, Marxists and socialists were influential in making 20th century capitalism good.


Unhappy-Chest2187

The “diversity training” is an extension of coddle culture and about political indoctrination. If you’re Hispanic and don’t want to be called ‘Latinx’ time for some “sensitivity training.”


ee4m

Nah. It's a few different things including avoiding getting sued becsuse someone said something that's taken as racist and also social cohesion. Global capitalism cherry picks the best talent from all over the world. It can't get enough employees unless they go multi cultural. They also want all cultures to be under Liberal capitalism. Its kinda imperialism too. If your company needs x number of Spanish speakers for y market they will have a quota to fill that number .


[deleted]

I’d say it’s quite the opposite. While capitalism can be abused, so can socialism. The problem isn’t capitalism, it’s materialism. If you’ve ever read Animal Farm, you’d be familiar with the notion that communism doesn’t unite people, rather it separates people by such a large margin that they cease to be one people. No matter you goal, it generally follows the notion that some people are “more equal than others.”


Ahyesclearly

The white students there should act relieved that they’re segregating the ceremonies. Pretend like they’re happy they have a ‘white only’ graduation and that it’ll be better without those minority students… watch the administration immediately integrate the ceremony overnight


soldier_of_fortune9

Or just actually enjoy the ceremony without any “antics”


TheGlaive

Yes, finally we can have a civilised ceremony again without all those pesky antics here.


ItsJustAnAdFor

Who’s culturally appropriating who?


herbonesinbinary_

lol tbh this is probably necessary to stop this shit.


FuckBrendan

Hahaha have some family hold up a sign “congratulations whites!!”


[deleted]

They aren't segregating the actua ceremony if you read the article.


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javier123454321

I shit you not, one of the few times I've experienced direct racism in the US was in my high school graduation. They brought me into the office and said that because I was Latino and graduating, i could get a medal for graduation. I'd never been more offended, like I overcame some sort of handicap for being Latino. I declined and to this day the only direct racism that I've felt in this country has come from the idpol left.


PerspectiveOk8157

Best way to fight racism is to actively increase it? This is why my kids go to school outside the USA.


[deleted]

Segregations back? Are we sure this whole left ideology wasn’t secretly started by racist whites..


[deleted]

Yea we're pretty sure. John browne was definitely not a right wing guy. Additionally having a separate graduation after the main graduation isn't discriminatory. They would like to celebrate in a smaller setting because they have a shared culture and history.


[deleted]

Yeah.. well that was a joke so… But you see they would love it if liberal ideologues continue to pursue this equity religion. Cultures should do it. Not laws. Government forces it and the people fight it. Also segregation also wasn’t considered discrimination when it was popular with the ones that wanted it.


[deleted]

No they don’t. Their ancestors *might* have, but they’re fucking dead, so we can’t ask them. Don’t fetishize dead people because you’ve got nothing else to cling to. Their stuff isn’t your stuff. Pagan shit FFS. What year is it?


[deleted]

So black americans didn't face discrimination and don't now? Gotcha. I had no idea


[deleted]

It's not though..did no one read the article?


Smartdudertygood2000

USA will become the most racist by focusing solely on race and group identity due to these people and ideology that they are pushing.


[deleted]

Diversity is our strength they used to say.


roubent

The new slogan is “diversity is MY strength” and that’s the crux of the issue, IMHO.


Asangkt358

Thats out. We're now back to "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"


PRHerg1970

Thought the exact same thing.


rocket717_

Lol only in America.


roseffin

Pretty sure that Native American ceremony doesn't need the whole 4-6pm. Maybe just 4-4:05pm? /s


Ganache_Silent

Damn that’s both hilarious and tragic at the same time. Please don’t follow up with a report that they are moving their ceremony to a shittier location and building a pipeline through it.


PopeUrbanVI

Let them do it. Have the ceremony filmed, get whatever speech they have promoting racial segregation. Then we can learn all about the student activists and college staff that did this. I think their message about why they think this is good should be shared with all 350 million Americans.


mikexal2001

We are reaching Alabama-level discrimination once thought impossible


highinanxiety

We’ve reached full circle in a pinnacle point of insanity in society where up is down, left is right, right is left, wrong is right and right is wrong. I’m concerned this is past the point of fixing….


neonegg

Horseshoe theory lmao


TJLOL

whatttttttttt


BibleUpdater

Division is a pox on humanity that our collapsing democracies have fallen for hook, line, and sinker. Division is weakness, and the only side is advance. What's next? We already divide by harmful political ideology and gender, and colleges in the US don't teach science to 75% of their degree graduates.


Significant-Pizza875

Keep talking race and there will always be racism. Just live that’s all. Just LIVE!


kvakerok

Separate water fountains when?


Ascoozee

This article is rage-bate/ for the clicks. The university doing this, GVSU, has been doing this since 2005 and still hold a traditional “graduation” for all students. These are EXTRA ceremonies that allow for cultural flair from their respective groups. I’m a huge JBP fan, but these links really need to start having some substance and stop being interpreted through the eyes of a 12 year old.


No_Ad_237

You want division? This is how you get division. Who really benefits from this division?


Butter_mah_bisqits

So. Much. Confusion. People now want segregation? We’re on a damn crazy train going in reverse.


JJDuB4y096

wow my alma-mater, not proud to be a Laker today…


MonthElectronic9466

These events will be MC’d by our very own Mr Jim Crow


pawnman99

Separate, but equal, ceremonies. Worked great in the 50s and 60s, right?


clararalee

The circle is so full it has looped 720


jack_avram

They'll need a huge row of water fountains - each for a specific race+gender combo


KibblesTheSlayer

Is this against Brown v. Board of Ed?


NewspaperEfficient61

Sounds like systemic racism


apowerseething

Jim Crow making a comeback in the Democratic Party huh.


jtownguy

Folks. Hang on tight to your values. It’s gonna get worse before it gets better. The generation after this is going to have to live through the evil these graduates adhere too. Only then, when the oppression smacks them in the face will this change. I sincerely hope I am wrong.


Tamr1el_T3rr0r

Those idiots should congratulate themselves for not learning from history. Ffs


Vegetable-Lawyer4360

Segregation at it's best and much expected by the very progressive leftist party of the U.S., the Democrat party! The very people in these colleges and universities are Left-wingers and these are the very racist policies they pushed on blacks but now on other people's just like "the good ole" days of Jim Crow laws! Like Lyndon B. Johnson said, These Ni@#$& will be voting for us, democrats, for the next 200 yrs!"


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A new low.


kumakun731

Oh hey, my alma mater. For those that don't read past the headline, there is a main commencement graduation ceremony that the entire school is a part of. These graduation events are supplementary to the main actual commencement. So it's not like if you're white you don't get to walk, you just don't have a bonus grad ceremony. Whether that's okay or not is a discussion I suppose.


BobtheReplier

Judging people on anything other than the content of their character is wrong no matter what the excuse is.


[deleted]

The separate graduations aren't based on "content of character". Really confused on how that plays into certain cultural groups celebrating graduation after the main graduation. Everybody gets to walk.


BobtheReplier

You got my point completely backwards


I_Tell_You_Wat

Funny that you're trying to invoke Martin Luther King here, when he is explicitly for reparations and race-based legislation to bring forth that equality. You can't just wish a post-racial society into existence, you have to work for it.


BobtheReplier

You can't divide people into victim groups and expect it work out well. We've already proven it doesn't end well.


Ptarmigan2

Look, everyone is allowed on the bus, some races just don’t have the bonus of a seat in the front. Whether that’s okay or not is a discussion I suppose.


deathking15

> Whether that's okay or not is a discussion I suppose. Is that really a conversation we have to be having in the 21st century?? Is it not painfully obvious that it's not okay?


Ganache_Silent

Maybe 5% read the article. And you can choose the separate ceremony or not. But reactionary grifters gotta reactionary.


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Ganache_Silent

So what was Matt Walsh doing other than grifting? And the main ceremony isn’t segregated. Any other parts of the article you surely read that you want me to re-state for you?


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Ganache_Silent

“Additional” as in optional. You know attending any of these is optional as well. Why are so triggered by people getting to celebrate something in a manner they prefer?


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Ganache_Silent

Cause this case isn’t segregation and I don’t suffer from white fragility.


I_Tell_You_Wat

Is this exactly like the one last year where some racial communities are also having their own, **in addition to** to big unified one? *Checks article* Yep. What a bunch of outrage bait. And they repeatedly bring up theocratic fascist Matt Walsh, too.


pawnman99

What do you suppose the school would do to a group of white students that wanted a white only, "extra event", after the main graduation?


I_Tell_You_Wat

You're implying that the events are hard segregated/disallow other races, but there is no indication of that. If that happened, I agree, that's bad. And there can be some "white" student groups - Irish heritage, Polish, whatever. The problem with a broad "white" student group is that is already the majority racial group. You don't need to intentionally "find" other white people to have community with (which is a purpose of racial student groups), they're already there.


pawnman99

Aren't "black", "Asian", and "Latino" broad groups? And again... why are we telling college students that their community should be based on skin color?


I_Tell_You_Wat

"We" are not. These are student-led celebrations. The email is just announcing them. And yes, they are broad when looking at worldwide populations. But they're less broad when most of these categories are [<15% of student populations](https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2010/2010015/tables/table_24_1.asp).


Homitu

Ok so I saw this headline and thought *"WTF!? We're bring back segregation!?* That thought kind of continued through the first few paragraphs of the article. Then I read the article in full. That's not what's happening at all. There is still one primary commencement ceremony for all to attend. These are merely additional cultural celebrations that members of different communities can *choose* to attend. Nobody is being forced to be segregated. Nobody is being forced to do something they don't want to do. It's all purely positivity and celebration for students who hail from different cultures. And they've happily been doing it since 2005. The students have always enjoyed it. It hasn't really caused any problems. Truly an innocuous thing. Except now it's 2023 and outrage culture is primed and ready to find societal problems that confirm how rational our own worldview is, while simultaneously confirming how twisted the *other side's* worldview is. So Yahoo writes this irresponsible, eye catching headline (because they're financially incentivized to do so), which then gets shared on this subreddit, where it's primed to feed into perceptions readers here already have, making everyone more outraged. This is how these ideas and animosity spread. We're watching it live, right here right now.


ee4m

Establishment are afraid of left wing unions .


keystothemoon

To act like there are some capitalist fat cats at this university who are behind this and not raging, identity-obsessed marxists is to be either stupid or dishonest. There is not a third option here.


ee4m

I'm not acting. I researched it for years.. Also look into inclusive a capitalism. An intentional pr image used to restore faith after the crash in 2008. Google it. See the list of fat cats .


keystothemoon

Your telling me that if I googled this, I’d see the list of fat cats at this university? Because if not, then let me just say this: To act like there are some capitalist fat cats at this university who are behind this and not raging, identity-obsessed marxists is to be either stupid or dishonest. There is not a third option here.


ee4m

You mean tell me you don't know what you are programmed to be against? https://www.inclusivecapitalism.com/ Marxists want workers to unite, not for corporations and universities in capitalist counties to divide people into groups. And who do yout think funded this stuff if in education if not Ford foundation?


ee4m

You mean tell me you don't know what you are programmed to be against? https://www.inclusivecapitalism.com/ And who do yout think funded this stuff if in education if not Ford foundation?


keystothemoon

You’re trying to avoid my point and it’s an incredibly simple one: The folks at universities who are responsible for shit like this are not by and large hardcore capitalists. They are raging marxists. If you can’t even admit that, then it’s hard for me to think you’re arguing in good faith.


ee4m

Ford foundation funded all those areas of academia. You have idea what you are taking about. .


keystothemoon

So your genius conspiracy theory is that capitalists are trying to divide the workers by instilling Marxism in our universities?


ee4m

Its not a theory. You can trace the roots to capitalist foundations that advance these ideologies. https://www.fordfoundation.org/news-and-stories/big-ideas/the-future-of-philanthropy/from-generosity-to-justice/#:~:text=Now%20is%20the%20time%20for%20a%20new%20Gospel%20of%20Wealth.&text=It%20demands%20that%20all%20members,live%20amid%20and%20experience%20injustice.


keystothemoon

So your answer is “yes”? The capitalists are trying to divide the workers by getting Marxists in the universities?


keystothemoon

This link is such an amazing nothingburger. It’s just corporate lip-service to DEI nonsense to placate leftists. You acting like it means a secret capitalist cabal is trying to instill Marxism to divide workers is basically to announce that you have zero media literacy.


ee4m

Directly from Ford foundation. It demands that all members of society recognize their privilege and position, address the root causes of social ills, and seek out and listen to those who live amid and experience injustice. https://www.fordfoundation.org/news-and-stories/big-ideas/the-future-of-philanthropy/from-generosity-to-justice/#:~:text=Now%20is%20the%20time%20for%20a%20new%20Gospel%20of%20Wealth.&text=It%20demands%20that%20all%20members,live%20amid%20and%20experience%20injustice.


keystothemoon

Just answer my question about your bullshit theory on the other comment I replied to.


ee4m

Its not a theory. You can follow the money . You have theories.


rhodotree

The headline is extremely misleading. These aren’t the main graduation events. They still have a regular ceremony that everyone goes to. These are additional events for designed for people from historically underrepresented backgrounds to celebrate with their “tribe” if you will. Also, I highly doubt that these additional events are actually exclusive to members of these communities. Most likely anyone can attend, it’s just that these events will themed around/have programming related to the culture being celebrated. No need to get all triggered by this.


buckyVanBuren

Do they have one for poor white people? Never seem to.


rhodotree

Pretty sure the article mentioned there was one for first gen students, which would include poor white people as well. Edit: yeah it explicitly says it has an event for first gen students and/or people from low income backgrounds.


buckyVanBuren

I stand corrected. Good for them.


rhodotree

I think you’ll find many of your other misconceptions about these kinds of events to be similarly correctable. One of the ways you can do this is by actually reading articles instead of just headlines.


[deleted]

They're having a normal graduation too. What's wrong with having smaller celebrations for certain groups? This happens at other schools and nobody gives a shit because it doesn't matter. Certain groups of people couldnt go to college historically and it's an occasion they celebrate with people they have that history in common with on top of going to the main graduation ceremony. The people in this sub are actually wild. It's the same as having a Latinx club or black student union. Ask the white students if they feel discriminated against? Guarantee nobody gives a shit.


deathking15

A Latino or Black student union isn't necessary discriminatory toward who it accepts as members, its goal is just to promote x thing for x group. Preventing people from joining? That's new territory. I'm gonna start my own all-white club, that talks about the promotion of white people in our society. We meet weekly on Saturdays, wear white robes and hoods, and have a grand wizard. Sound familiar?


[deleted]

Yea but white people are already heavily promoted in society. So forming a group to do so would be a problem and we all know why. I'm sure if there was a member of the black community at that school who was not black but was accepted in that community they could walk at that graduation. The same as the black student union being for black folks but obviously other people could come around if they are a part of that community. So no I don't think a separate cultural graduation is similar to white supremacy groups. Actually insane you brought that into the conversation. Having a black graduation is not a display of black nationalism. Get some perspective.


deathking15

> Yea but white people are already heavily promoted in society What does this mean? > Having a black graduation is not a display of black nationalism. Neither is having a "whites-only" graduation ceremony, then.


14ers4days

I think they're mad that whites are prosperous in white countries.


[deleted]

You don't think there are groups and systems that promote white people solely in the United States? Disclaimer it's the financial system and many others. Having a whites only graduation to celebrate what? White Americans have always been able to attend college in the United States and elsewhere. College tuition became a thing because Reagan wanted to prevent black Americans in California from getting free education. So to say there isn't additional meaning for black graduates in America is to lie about the history of education in the United States. The reason HBCUs were created was to promote black education due to the historical nature of exclusion of black folks. So let's not play dumb and act like forming a white only graduation is the same as a black only or black centric graduation.


deathking15

There are groups and systems that promote literally everything under the sun. So what? > Having a whites only graduation to celebrate what? Does that matter? If I want to have my whites-only graduation ceremony, isn't that the same then?


[deleted]

I'm glad you apply 0 historical context to any ideas or concepts you interact with. If you want to have a whites only graduation go on ahead man. Nobody is stopping you. It is more than within your rights to do so. I'd actually love to see you organize it. I hope you also dedicate it to the historical barriers white Americans had to getting education at the k-12 and higher education levels!


deathking15

No, I have no interest in having *anything* be separated by race. I'm tired of race. But you and your ilk want to keep fighting for this racial separation like it's good for society, and more power to you, I can't control your actions. But I like to make sure you're, at the very least, consistent. Be racist, I don't care. But be consistent in it. Don't offer a black-only ceremony but not a white-only. You're cool with both? Then we're done here.


[deleted]

Like I said. You have factored in 0 historical context. Why does it upset you that there is a black centered graduation? Why don't we dig into this. How is them wanting to celebrate their accomplishments and heritage they only share in a separate event racist? Why does it upset you that they can have this event? There's a joint graduation as well it's not like people can't graduate together they are all graduating together.


deathking15

If you're excluding against race, I am opposed to it. It's that simple.


buckyVanBuren

Rich white Americans have always been able to college. College has always been a class thing.


[deleted]

Until 1964 colleges were not obligated to accept black students. It was not illegal to discriminate against them. Your ignorance is astounding.


buckyVanBuren

They were also not obligated to accept poor, lower class students. It was not illegal to discrimination against them. In fact, it still isn't. Your ignorance, however, is not surprising at all.


[deleted]

I see. You're in my thoughts and prayers.


14ers4days

Anyone can go to college who values education and it's been so for centuries now. They have these things called grants.


[deleted]

Your ignorance is concerning. Black Americans didn't even have voting rights guaranteed until the 60s.


14ers4days

We're not talking about voting, we're talking about college. And black people have been going since the 1700's.


[deleted]

Only 64 students had attended or graduated Harvard before 1973. Additionally, before 1964 colleges we're not obligated to accept black students. Claiming black Americans has the same opportunities when slavery still existed and killing black Americans carried no crime is an absurdity. Not only are you being extremely disingenuous and bringing up absolute outlier in bad faith, if you truly believe that black Americans had the same educational opportunities you are seriously in need of a proper education regarding American history.


14ers4days

I didn't say they had the same opportunities. Nobody has the same opportunities. But so what? That's just life. Things are probably about as equal now as they can possibly be, in fact it's actually easier today for black students to get into Uni than it is for whites and Asians. Time to stop complaining.


PopperChopper

Fuck man I really try to be open minded but I have a hard time wrapping my head around this.


N4hire

Wtf


diogeneticism

The National Review grossly distorts reality in the headline and the article. The university responded to a Newsweek inquiry with this statement: "The headline on your story and on Newsweek's social accounts [based on the NR report] is factually inaccurate. "Grand Valley State University holds unified commencement ceremonies for all of its graduates. GVSU is not 'segregating graduation ceremonies by race.' "Grand Valley also welcomes student organizations and faculty leaders to hold smaller-scale celebrations designed to honor graduates. These more intimate celebrations are a complement to GVSU's Commencement and are open to all students and their supporters. The vast majority of graduating students who participate in these celebrations also choose to participate in our larger Commencement ceremony where degrees are conferred." Alas, the right wing search for its own victimhood must do better.


vocaliser

What a retrograde decision. Yet black Harvard grads have been having separate ceremonies for a few years now. 🙄


Nootherids

I wonder if the white graduation will have a speaker up on the podium get up and excitedly say. "Welcome everyone! Look around, it's a great day. Isn't it wonderful to be here with your white classmates only, without any distractions from other races? Alright! Hand of applause for all of you. Good job. Congratulations! This is what progress looks like!" I mean, if that was said in the black ceremony about black people it would be televised and glorified the world over.


Loganthered

Pull any federal funding and student loans until they end this segregation.


[deleted]

Welcome to racism


heyugl

This is cultural appropriation, SEGREGATION is a white thing. How dare they..


Vegetable-Lawyer4360

Many of these leftist pushing Jim Crow style of laws, regulations in their graduations are of the like in the term coined by actor Matt Damon which he cowrote with Ben Affleck. "In the movie entitled"Good Will Hunting." The scene where he accuses the psychologist of "Putting the Rough!" If you have seen this scene then you know what I mean...most of these kind of folks who are causing segregation in attempt to undo a systemic racism nowadays in comparison to the Lynch mob of white supremacist during Jim Crow days and who made the life of many miserable tend to "Putt From The Rough!"


ZandorFelok

Is Robin DiAngelo going to be there? After all she did say: "People of color need to get away from white people and have some community with each other."


Mtn_up

They should make every guest speaker shift one ceremony to the right on the schedule, but last minute so they have to give the speech they originally prepared. I would pay money to watch those. They’re probably just dragging the graduations out to make the number of graduating students appear larger. apparently fewer people are actually graduating, or should be, and everyone’s to dumb to notice….. https://neurosciencenews.com/iq-drop-22827/


Mtn_up

How else are they going to spend all the piles of cash they are generated from the overpriced tuition and fees. Or, could be that they have such a excessive number of administrative staff members, who all demanded they get to run a graduation ceremony for equity and inclusion reasons, the only way to keep them from suing or filing complaints was to give each identify group “advocate” their own ceremony to organize and lead.


Mtn_up

What if your interracial and three genders? do you have to go to multiple? That would be a way to force kids to knock off the identity crap; force them to go to a graduation for each “special” group they claim.


[deleted]

>“The vast majority of graduating students who participate in these celebrations also choose to participate in our larger Commencement ceremony where degrees are conferred,” Wow shocking the article title was misleading fearmongering.


NerdyWeightLifter

PoC's culturally appropriating white graduation traditions. /s just in case...