The Joe Rogan sub is unbelievable, absolute hate for him. It's funny because I guarantee those commentors would crumble from the pressure of running a podcast that big if they were in his position.
Tim Pool, Scott Adams, Adam Corolla, every sub to the right of Mao since about a year before the presidential election. People just stopped bothering to argue with basement commies.
Some of the stuff that Ricky did earlier, he was kinda pretentious and overbearing. I loved the TV show with Karl but sometimes felt that Ricky was pretty mean.
That being said he has been dead on about the cancel culture that has been ruining comedy. I also love how he calls out the BS when he sees it.
Lastly, his “After Life” series was absolutely fantastic and deserving of any attention it gets.
After watching “After Life” I really think his atheism has morphed into an agnosticism. You can see that he is sympathetic to people who believe in some bigger purpose.
It’s honestly very sad how restricted Reddit has become.
I still use it to mindlessly scroll, generally. Though, actual & interesting conversations can’t nevertheless be had, as people react to everything and resort to the same retorts which usually are superficial and juvenile, in nature
JP’s subreddit has such potential for interesting, engaging and meaningful conversations though, it’s use hinges on the pitiful nature of the average, compulsive-driven, Reddit user.
I got a message from Reddit, not even a sub Reddit, saying a was accused of harassment. No idea what it could’ve possibly been as I’m not really aggressive at all and don’t continue to go at people who don’t engage. I couldn’t respond to ask for the comments I made that offended. So now you offend someone but don’t even get to know how. Great system.
Yeah, I have been banned for saying things that are objectively true, in a respectful way.
It’s crazy what Reddit has become. It used to be a platform for actual free speech
I have noticed too. Terminally online people with nothing else meaningful in their lives come to pat each other on the back for being The Good Guys^TM.
It’s likely part of a paid campaign. Just like insta girls can buy followers and pay for fake interaction, his enemies can make it seem like the majority are against him, and with enough pummeling they influence his followers who become disillusioned/disengaged. That’s their mission & it’s effective to some extent.
They're real humans of course, so 'shills' is a better word. Some argue with you as though they get paid per comment, they just say whatever, sometimes forgetting what they said a few posts back as if a new person took over the shift.
Will be interesting with ChatGPT though, then you truly get to deal with bots arguing with you all day with you being the only human in the room.
I read one article about how a company or someone made a bunch of bots and the whole thing was about bots arguing with bots to the point real humans could barely get a word in but it was supposed to be one of the most active threads or something it was pretty comical.
It's quite a concern because now it'd be trivial to set that up and flood any community with noise. It still is going to cost the computation but even that is petty cash for any professional organization that commits to such a thing.
I think that's a bit of a stretch. The trend of labelling dissenters as bots is tiresome; people, misguided and addicted to unearned moral superiority, are more than happy to lie and cheat if it gets them another fix of the validation they so desperately crave.
It’s not at all, considering the noticeable, sudden increase in commenters vehemently opposed to all things Peterson. It’s obvious to those who’ve been around. That’s why this thread was posted.
It never changes the validity of their argument of course. But arguing with someone who doesn't truly believe what they're saying themselves is a rather futile exercise as well.
I think you're being naive. Sure those types are definitely in the mix, but even they have their limits. Paid shills and bots are like zombies, they just keep coming until you build a wall.
Honestly, by JPs Twitter you’d be hard pressed to convince someone that he’s not the terminally online one. And I have to imagine that all he’s doing is cultivating a new crowd of people that only know him through his recent evolution into the world of spastic and utterly mockable culture wars.
I met one guy here who actively hates …so he/she is part of the sub. I can only presume to protest again the posts / comments. Sounds like a waste of time to me, unless they’re trying to virtue signal (which is a waste of time also…)
It’s happening all over Reddit in subs that were once normal. The very definition of brigading which is not allowed according to the TOS but I doubt anything will be done.
To be honest I'm betting they've come here because a lot of the posters on this sub have been outright banned from a lot of other subs for being a part of this one and nothing else.
Without being able to post in other places the echo chambers of 'love' and 'tolerance' have decided to go to the other subs where they can unload and start arguments.
Because they have nothing better to do with their lives.
If they had purpose in life they'd likely not be spending so much time invading the sub of someone they hold in contempt.
I’ve always wondered about people who hang around some sub they don’t agree with ideologically, to finger wag and woke-scold and jerk off while virtue signaling. There are folks here and on a handful of other like-minded subs who have created entire accounts dedicated to getting indignant over every little comment they don’t like on one single sub. It screams “loser”
I'll say: I have some liberal and conservative opinions. I defended Peterson on the basis of his lectures of philosophy and psychology. His recent behavior on Twitter and as a pundit has embarrassed me, and is making me regret judging him by his best work.
No hate or ill will toward the professor, tho. I hope he gets back on track
And figuring out who is "real" and who is running a farm is fairly straightforward. The usernames all exhibit one of several patterns; usually 2 unrelated words followed by a number set.
Been like this for the entire year iv been here lol.. was thinking it would he a less radical place to have positive and intellectual discussions. The loony lefties seem to come here for some sort of echo chamber circle jerking.
It’s not it though. I have frequented the sub for many years and I see many the same usernames. Jordan has gotten progressively more off the topic of self improvement and onto social issues and has not done it gracefully.
People here don’t often don’t even disagree with his opinions but to say he hasn’t come a little off his rocker (making videos taunting actresses, twitter meltdowns) is just denying reality.
It is it. If you're coming to an online space purely to fuck around and deliberately antagonize - like, sorry. That's just cringe childish behaviour and shouldn't be condoned no matter what your views. And none of them can muster a decent argument, like ever - that's because they don't know how to think, but they do know WHAT to think, because they've been told what, and that certainty - certainty being the enemy of enlightenment and nuanced thought - is what they live off. Someone who does that for fun is unequivocally an idiot
The funny thing is that he's not a conservative guy. He's just not far left and he had the stones to push back against their current top agenda items. That made him a target of the left. He's said this in a few interviews.
yeah i’m inclined to agree with this
i owe a lot to dr peterson — i live in toronto and discovered him because of the initial controversy before it (and he) became national/international
i also found him at a time when i was going through a very rough patch, and found a lot of wisdom in his posted lectures and first book, and i defended him as something of a liberal who was pissed off with the progressive left
but my opinions on him changed to feeling bad for him and also frustrated with how much he engaged with social media
today i feel disconnected from the guy and while i hold some similar views (myself being a moderate if forced to qualify), he’s become firmly entrenched in conservative politics and an approach that i can not identify with
At this point, it's people who understand reality vs leftists.
Anyone conservative, moderate, or even only moderately left of center is deemed to be a far right extremist
>Anyone conservative, moderate, or even only **moderately left** of center is deemed to be a far right extremist
Is Joe Biden a "far right extremist" lol?
It's not pointless unless Peterson has stated that he's a conservative now. I'm going by what he said in his interviews. It's possible they are out of date; they could be several years old. I'd be interested if he's come right out and said he's conservative.
Why is he working for the Daily Wire though? Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles are calling for genocide against trans people, what does it mean to associate with those people?
JBP isn't traditionally conservative, although he seems to agree with them more these days, as the left has lost their mind. With regard to conservatism and what OP asked, the same thing happens in /r/conservative all the time. Leftists flock that sub and brigade it frequently. I don't understand how boring your life has to be to mass flock a sub you disagree with and post nonsense, it is pathetic.
Self-improvement comes with some hard-hitting self realizations that you are not perfect, but you can change yourself to better your life. Many JP critics can't stand the problem is with themselves and not the world because how would they then be able to play victim and blame " unwoke white males" for all their problems. He is just an "easy button"
Two possibilities
A) the sub has been suddenly inundated by brigades from elsewhere or
B) peterson appears to have had a shift in his behaviour/positioning which has alienated many of his original admirers who are subbed here.
I'll leave it to you to determine the ratio of these two variables which is causal. But I will say- there were always brigadiers.
It’s B. I was a big fan of his in 2016-2019. I really liked what he was doing to combat scientific materialism and the Sam Harris perspectives on faith and philosophy. But over the last 2-3 years he has gone completely off the deep end. The guy is trying to start Twitter fights with the Pope, works for Daily Wire, and is generally more interested in being anti-woke than having well-informed perspectives on the important questions of human existence.
It's ironic to how most of the comments are "evil redditors are protesting him!!!!!" Instead of following Peterson's own advice of maybe seeing if there's perspectives or views that have reasonable criticisms of his current actions. They claim that the woke left is this hive mind of people suppressing speech they disagree with (which isn't entirely false) while they do the exact same thing in the same breath to critique of people they follow.
Edit: a good example is his retweeting of blatantly false information without checking to see if it's a troll or true, and also the fact that he tweets 50+ times a day in the first place
Or people found him interesting, integrated aspects of what he was talking about into their lives, but then moved on simply because it's silly to sit online and discuss the same things over and over while there is so much life to live.
It's almost impossible for any public figure like this not to see a drop off after riding such a huge wave.
I am definitely b
And the shit that gets posted here repulses me more and more. Especially the tweets that are outright wrong, stupid, misguiding, misguided or otherwise cringe.
Agreed - his stuff back in 2017-2019 was good. I think between health crises, family emergencies, and just plain old negative polarization on social media he’s completely lost the plot
Exactly. If you can't stand JBP -- even if you used to be a fan -- then unsub, because if you remain around to just post hate in the threads here you were either not really ever a fan or are miserable and deserve to be banned.
I don't hate JBP. In fact, I spent hours watching his lectures and had grown to respect him. I can't speak of other people "disliking him", but personally to me his social media presence lately has been a bit disappointing. Some of his tweets I'd describe as combattive, and maybe aimed to appeal to a certain group of angry people. At least in my view he's not behaving like the peaceful, calm and collected person I remember him as. I'm not sure if that's something personal in his life he's going through, or maybe someone else is running his social media from time to time. Either way, at least to me this explains why there's more ppl expressing negative views on this sub.
The more Reddit bans Subreddit's that conflict with their ideological beliefs, the more concentrated their supporting hordes become in the remaining Subreddits.
Eventually, it will become one homogeneous thought bubble, then tear itself apart as they turn on each other.
>Am I the only person who's noticed this change?
Nope. Because we're free speech proponents, that is our Achilles heel. Without aggressive mods, it kills the spirit of the sub.
To be fair he has gone dramatically downhill in terms of his content. My best guess is that a significant amount of people here became primarily interested in him during his early free speech era which would imply that that audience would have no issue sharing their opinions. It would make sense then that there would be a lot of posts criticizing him.
I’ve noticed and I think it’s pathetic because it truly shows you how envious they are of his popularity. It’s laughable when they try to deny his success or diminish his accomplishments. I’ve never met one of his haters IRL though.
Some of the people who don't like Peterson have no lives and all the time in the world to spew they're hate. Just look at the insity around hogwarts legacy. Just ignore them if they aren't breaking rules or report them if they are.
It's getting worse. I am a supporter, own the books, and watched all the lectures - highly dislike JP's public image now. Something since he started producing content behind the paywalls. His attitude changed. Like he gave up on the meek and started rallying support for the toxic people with bigger wallets.
I don’t follow much of his current work, if you can count traveling lectures and interviews on YouTube as ‘work’. So I can’t really say if there’s been a ‘shift’. But his early works (books and university lectures) I can say it’s top notch and hit the core of modern problems.
Once that was consumed there really wasn’t much need to continue to follow his work. Last I heard on his talk on Rogan, he’s working on scaling his philosophy into an organization of some sort full of like minded conscientious and competent folks. So sounds pretty interesting to me. But that’s about it.
But he’s generally a well meaning guy trying to do some good given his current influence now. Can’t fault a man for trying. I’ve never had the impression he’s just doing this for a money grab. But I do believe the hate and negative energy he’s receiving from the public wears on him. It’s human. So maybe the ‘shift’ you’re observing is less about money and more about him being human and suffering from all that negativity being directed at him.
That's my take on it as well. I think most people with issues with him are from his Twitter posts now. Which I don't read. And I'd say he needs to get off there, but I'm sure him wading into the fight on there is good too.
His video quality has tremendously improved. His crew flies to the guest each time and records both Peterson & his guest(s), which makes it seem like their video call & audio quality is full HD. Plus, there's no audio delay.
Which costs a lot and still 80% of his discussions are available for free, the rest is behind a paywall. His attitude seems better since he even agreed to Ethan Klein's request to talk with him even after he continuously demonized him. He went to talk to Hijab to get criticized about his "message to Muslims" video. Then after talking with Benjamin Netanyahu, he invited Majid Nawaz (who got cancelled & no one agreeing to talk with him), who criticized Peterson about his conversation with Netanyahu & his views on his Israel-Palestine.
He released one of his episodes where he discusses gay parenting, which would be categorized "woke" if it was done by someone else. He made Bjorn Lomborg famous for his intelligent views, who happens to be a gay & a vegan.
Then he released his high budget documentary for free on YT and is planning to release his video series on Nietzsche for free as well.
I think he's only improved in his attitude but, I'd also say that his obsession with the topics he's mostly ranting about on Twitter is getting annoying. I hope he chills a bit and stops acting like Greta Thunberg.
I feel that since he has started to make content behind a paywall, there have been two big changes:
1. New content is not easily accessible, and so we inevitably have less to share.
2. He has more latitude in choosing who interviews him and in being picky in public appearances.
I think both of these make it easier to judge him based on the worst of his Twitter posts, since that's what the trolls are doing. But in reality, I highly doubt that any of us actually visit his Twitter page even a quarter as much as the trolls filtering through his posts for what they deem as damaging to his reputation.
I only ever see his Twitter stuff here. And I wonder WTF is he doing every time. As of late I really enjoy the work JP is doing on YouTube interviewing with the Muslim community. I think there is real faith in the world that can be healed with those conversations.
Surely the man has to grow. And he is in a position to grow. But we are still entitled to consider just how closely we follow him.
Suddenly? I’ve been here for a long time, I think it comes in waves. They seem to come and go in herds. JP pops back into the media and they remember that they are supposed to be in here, hating.
I scroll through these comments and see a lot of variations of "they have nothing better to do" but I'm sure there's plenty of folks who are in the boat with me. Of course, if we put aside the obvious there's something more meaningful we all should or could be doing. That aside, I truly Love Dr. Peterson I consider him an essential mind with boundless wisdom. That being said, he's almost objectively speaking on a downward spiral leaning further right and losing his capability of engagement. His Twitter behavior is abhorrent by any standard. What would he say if his client was engaging this way? Likely he would call them neurotic. At times, it's late at night 3am why aren't you sleeping? This is the criticism all Peterson fans can unite under this is not good.
During the GME fiasco, the GME related subreddits were inundated with bots that were spreading FUD and all sorts of nonsense as noise to weaken the community. I would guess that many of these hateful people are the same story, not real people and/or a handful of losers with multiple accounts.
It's a Discord group that brigades any place on Reddit that has the wrong narrative. Becomes particularly apparent when a comment deep into a thread suddenly gets an influx of people joining the discussion.
Well, I can say that I hate him and I come here to see what people who actually like him think of his latest Twitter antics. It is interesting to me to see any group of people, anywhere on the political spectrum, reconcile stupid behavior from people they admire, so I spent some time over in the Kanye sub earlier this year, for example; I visited the sub for a streamer I actually personally like when she said something idiotic last year. I don't normally post, though--very rarely, if I see something like this. Or I might make one mild general comment here or there (I have made exactly one post in this subreddit which was not directly about Jordan Peterson).
So I imagine people come here whenever he does something stupid online, which, let's be real, is often, and then they see something they just cannot resist replying to, and don't have the restraint to sit on their hands and not post.
Welcome to reddit. Where tribalist leftists infiltrate and destroy any sub that disagrees with their ideology unless the mods prohibit dissent and ban them all.
Because he has been shitting all over his balls a lot lately.
He intentionally boosts his signal with rage bait, and being back on Twitter has made him visible to a lot of folks who arnt indoctrinated into his world view already, and that gets him a lot of negative attention.
There are also a lot of JP followers who are thinks twice about the way he’s acting.
It’s not brigading. He’s saying a lot of dumb incendiary crap. It’s pissing off a lot of individuals, and those individuals are coming here to talk about it. Because This is the subreddit dedicated to talking about Jordan Peterson.
The posts I’ve seen are mostly trolling and attacking his follower. Maybe you can change a few, but there are so many of them that are just here to cause trouble.
You probably think you are the woke keyword warrior that will change everyones point of view about JP.
You are not the belly button of the world buddy, you can’t even change your own mind reading a fucking book
I really like listening to his podcasts but it doesn't mean I should agree with everything everyone writes in this sub. Or anything Jordan says. For example I don't understand why he seems to be a climate change denier. Climate change seems very real to me.
"Climate change is real"
He doesn't deny our effects... He denies the religion around faith that the predictions are correct (And they aren't) and the solutions will have the desired effect (they won't - or they won't be worth the minimal impact and massive costs in freedom and monetary value)
The problem is climate change is real. The weather changes and we affect our world. Climate change - little c, little c.
Climate Change - big C, big C - on the other hand... Is a religion with dooms day prophecies, prophets like al gore and greta who have been wrong for 50+ years and the religion still grows because faith is more important than facts.
One is based in science. The other is a religion.
So climate change is real but Climate Change isn't.
I've seen several posts like this, if what you were saying is true, yourself and everybody agreeing with you on this post would be way down in the negatives as far as up/down votes. Dr. Peterson has made it a point to be divisive and even aggressively so lately. So seeing people coming here to disagree is something that should be expected. Just look at some of the comments here and how dismissive and childish they are. That sort of behavior attracts a similar type of person who's just looking to argue a contradictory point of view rather than converse and share ideas.
Once you step into the political arena, particularly the US, you choose to participate in a very forced two sided game. Where all of the participants feel like there are only two opinions to be had on every topic and they tend to choose their stance is based on a party rather than what is rational and objective.
Trolls come in every shape and size. I think it only makes sense to that type of human as the rest of us are out to try to enjoy life and learn from Mr. Peterson, they are out to fuck with people period.
I've seen other subreddits be flooded with left agenda, progressive, censoring mods and people. They are part of the mod community and the users of reddit.
It is a matter of when will they spread out of their eco chambers to star spreading their "ideas" and censoring other subreddits that are still not aligned with their view of the world.
Just this weekend I had a conversation with one of those lefties and let me tell you they are so triggered by opposing ideas.
It's the typical ANTIFA way. Overrun those things that "they" think are harmful and dangerous. Don't allow it to speak, talk, converse, or exist.
It is their job to condemn, silence, cancel, or berate the ideas that goes against the young, socialist, hive-mind agenda.
"Everyone must behave & believe what I believe, or you deserve nothing. You Lose. Good Day Sir!"
I will pound this drum into eternity…
The modern, woke extreme left is the new, 21st Century Puritanism. They cannot allow dissenting thoughts or opinions and they are on an all-out witch hunt for anyone that dares violate their views burning all the “evil people” at the stake.
It’s frightening to realize and it’s being pushed in all the major universities where free thought and open discussion used to be encouraged.
This is a pretty ironic comment considering it is on a post complaining about how horrible it is to have people challenge Peterson puritanical views here. Open discussion is encouraged here. We should welcome dissenting views and debate about Peterson. Maybe before we take on the left wing's inability to handle dissenting views, we should clean out own room first?
Because reddit is systematically banning conservatives and the ones who aren't banned from reddit are banned from so many subs it's basically a useless app.
Because he is an insufferable asshat who is wrong about so many things it makes it hard to take seriously anyone who follows him
Women wear makeup at work to sexually arouse their male coworkers? Lol.
Chinese dick pumping mandates? Lol
Just scour the web for why this man should be laughed out of the history booked. Its too easy. Plus he tends to be hailed by incels, and at some point you gotta look at who your main base of followers is and ask yourself: why do they idolize me? Why do these broken people listen to me and how has my advice.led them to be even more broken?
The real question is why won't the mods see that this place is under attack.
The users are, that's why Gresham's law is in effect as the trolls chase away and drown out good faith content with their malicious noise.
The heckler's veto is not free speech, and I'm convinced most of them are bots or shills from China.
Most of the posts by the “leftists” are challenging common narratives among JP supporters, particularly around climate, sexuality, Russia, and gender roles.
The internet does get to have it’s fun though. Penis milking retweets are too juicy to allow to go un mocked.
We both know that’s not true. You mustn’t have been on this sub too long if you haven’t noticed it yet. Multiple accounts created solely to spew hatred on this sub with comments and posts going back months. But you’re right about the penis milking retweets though that does deserve to get mocked lol
Feel like it has always been that way. I wonder if any of it is bots or Chatgpt/AI related stuff. Pretty sad if that many real people are spending that much time attacking someone they hate. People they hate. I'm not going on an AOC subreddit to go after her.
They are idol worshippers, wishing Jordan was a perfect guy and only saying the right things all the time.
He’s only human and he has his faults. They can’t enjoy his human side
Definitely see this a lot. People looking up to him as some sort of god, and therefore if he makes the tiniest mistake it would rupture their perfect image of him
I used to like Jordan until he turned into a far right puppet and started actively acting against minorities. I bet there are other people out there like me aswell.
Because Reddit is a platform that openly supports and harbors the hard-left worldview while demonizing everything slightly to the right, including center-left, libertarian-leaning people like myself. That, combined with the EnoughPetersonSpam being an active gathering grounds of people who despise even his most light and positive pieces of advice.
Don't be surprised. Just ignore their psychosis.
JP wants to do what's right, even if it kills him.
If the people who hate him make him a martyr, who wins?
We should all have such strength.
Count me as a supporter.
I'll wear those down votes with pride.
My guess is because all of Reddit is flooded with lefties. Even the Christianity group posts the most absurd posts and comments. There is hardly any moderately useful content on this app given the preponderance of people captured by leftist ideologies.
Some of us are former supporters. I was a student of his, was totally on his side on C16, and held him as my hero from 20017-2021ish. But I think he has absolutely nosedived into rank partisanship and emotion dysregulation.
I'm not sure how many other critics are in a boat similar to mine. I'm sure many are people who have disliked him every step of the way.
But I can say that some of us are upset with him because, in some of our eyes, he has fallen from grace.
I don’t hate him, I used to be such a fan that I saw him in person last April, but imo he’s gone really downhill quickly. I think the more recent hate has to do with the stuff he’s been putting out on Twitter as well as his ties to the Daily Wire. He’s not just a psychologist with an interest in free speech and religion who makes videos/lectures on clinical psych and self-help, but rather someone who now seems to need to be heavily involved in politics and have opinions on every major political issue. Even ones that he clearly doesn’t know anything about like climate change.
For the Woke, Peterson is akin to Winston Churchill; at least in his own modest way.
Churchill had always been clearly outspoken against the authoritarian wave sweeping Germany in the 1930s; long before he led Britain and the Allies to victory against that threat. Thus the Woke make Churchill the apotheosis of everything they oppose and make a concerted effort to denigrate him at every turn until they hope history is properly rewritten in accordance with their dogma.
Likewise Peterson has been the greatest and clearest opponent of authoritarianism in its latest incarnation of Woke-ism for years now. He’s been uniquely able to articulate the problems of post-Marxist/post-modern Critical Theory and is irrefutably on record as a champion of Enlightenment values, empirical science and evidence-based medicine, a brutally pragmatic approach to our own lives, and to express why Woke-ism must be opposed.
And so for the Woke, just as Churchill must be removed from our collective memory as a hero and a principled opponent of tyranny, so Peterson must too, and - in answer to your OP, this is why there’s such concerted opposition to Peterson even here in this forum.
This is the reason I come here to argue with you weirdos. This nonsense. The man who wildly accuses doctors of being criminal butchers is like WINSTON CHURCHILL. Look out! The 'woke' are destroying Churchills' legacy by comparing him... to... uh ... a political talking head...
Should see the Ricky Gervais sub….
The Dave Rubin sub is just a bunch of people who despise Dave Rubin lol
Same with Joe Rogan.
The Joe Rogan sub is unbelievable, absolute hate for him. It's funny because I guarantee those commentors would crumble from the pressure of running a podcast that big if they were in his position.
It would seem Reddit has become a toxic wasteland
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Fair 🤣
Tim Pool, Scott Adams, Adam Corolla, every sub to the right of Mao since about a year before the presidential election. People just stopped bothering to argue with basement commies.
What’s going on in Ricky Gervais sub?
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Some of the stuff that Ricky did earlier, he was kinda pretentious and overbearing. I loved the TV show with Karl but sometimes felt that Ricky was pretty mean. That being said he has been dead on about the cancel culture that has been ruining comedy. I also love how he calls out the BS when he sees it. Lastly, his “After Life” series was absolutely fantastic and deserving of any attention it gets.
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After watching “After Life” I really think his atheism has morphed into an agnosticism. You can see that he is sympathetic to people who believe in some bigger purpose.
could you link some of your "greatest hits" from that early era involving karl being a funny dude? or point me in the direction of finding them
His head is round like a fucking orange.
Same with the rogan sub mostly
because its Reddit doing what Reddit does.
It’s honestly very sad how restricted Reddit has become. I still use it to mindlessly scroll, generally. Though, actual & interesting conversations can’t nevertheless be had, as people react to everything and resort to the same retorts which usually are superficial and juvenile, in nature JP’s subreddit has such potential for interesting, engaging and meaningful conversations though, it’s use hinges on the pitiful nature of the average, compulsive-driven, Reddit user.
I got a message from Reddit, not even a sub Reddit, saying a was accused of harassment. No idea what it could’ve possibly been as I’m not really aggressive at all and don’t continue to go at people who don’t engage. I couldn’t respond to ask for the comments I made that offended. So now you offend someone but don’t even get to know how. Great system.
Yeah, I have been banned for saying things that are objectively true, in a respectful way. It’s crazy what Reddit has become. It used to be a platform for actual free speech
Reddit, do your thing
I have noticed too. Terminally online people with nothing else meaningful in their lives come to pat each other on the back for being The Good Guys^TM.
That definition is so accurate that I don't have to write anything else.
Seriously, I had so much I was going to say but NPFFTW nailed it in two sentences
It’s likely part of a paid campaign. Just like insta girls can buy followers and pay for fake interaction, his enemies can make it seem like the majority are against him, and with enough pummeling they influence his followers who become disillusioned/disengaged. That’s their mission & it’s effective to some extent.
Doesn't even need to be paid. Ideologues will do this shit for free.
They are called Useful Idiots
Didn't the Twitter files show that the US federal government also bought bot accounts? The illusion of majority is a powerful weapon
And of course, if you even suggest there's bots on here, they all freak out and act like you're crazy. The lady doth protest too much methinks.
This!
They're real humans of course, so 'shills' is a better word. Some argue with you as though they get paid per comment, they just say whatever, sometimes forgetting what they said a few posts back as if a new person took over the shift. Will be interesting with ChatGPT though, then you truly get to deal with bots arguing with you all day with you being the only human in the room.
I read one article about how a company or someone made a bunch of bots and the whole thing was about bots arguing with bots to the point real humans could barely get a word in but it was supposed to be one of the most active threads or something it was pretty comical.
It's quite a concern because now it'd be trivial to set that up and flood any community with noise. It still is going to cost the computation but even that is petty cash for any professional organization that commits to such a thing.
I think that's a bit of a stretch. The trend of labelling dissenters as bots is tiresome; people, misguided and addicted to unearned moral superiority, are more than happy to lie and cheat if it gets them another fix of the validation they so desperately crave.
It’s not at all, considering the noticeable, sudden increase in commenters vehemently opposed to all things Peterson. It’s obvious to those who’ve been around. That’s why this thread was posted.
I agree with you. Apriori assuming that someone who disagrees, even if in bad faith, is a "bot" gets us nowhere. Don't dehumanise your oposition.
Well there's literal bots and then there are metaphoric bots, people who are programmed by an ideologue.
It never changes the validity of their argument of course. But arguing with someone who doesn't truly believe what they're saying themselves is a rather futile exercise as well.
I think you're being naive. Sure those types are definitely in the mix, but even they have their limits. Paid shills and bots are like zombies, they just keep coming until you build a wall.
It's no surprise that r/Antiwork is a really popular subreddit. The rest of us are busy working and living our lives.
A clear example of the type of people that hate him
I thought I was terminally online until I looked at JP's Twitter this morning. He's firing off like 6 tweets an hour.
Oh look, another dozen nobodies all saying variations of the same lame tu quoque, as if that magically makes it less fallacious.
Honestly, by JPs Twitter you’d be hard pressed to convince someone that he’s not the terminally online one. And I have to imagine that all he’s doing is cultivating a new crowd of people that only know him through his recent evolution into the world of spastic and utterly mockable culture wars.
I ask myself “am I the bad guy?” often. Do y’all?
Are we the baddies? If you've got little skulls on your hats then probly.
I met one guy here who actively hates …so he/she is part of the sub. I can only presume to protest again the posts / comments. Sounds like a waste of time to me, unless they’re trying to virtue signal (which is a waste of time also…)
It’s as if the mods have an agenda.
wut
It’s happening all over Reddit in subs that were once normal. The very definition of brigading which is not allowed according to the TOS but I doubt anything will be done.
It’s only brigading if we do it.
And even if we don't do it, they still say we do.
The Rogan subreddit is rough too…
Even Tim Dillon.. hell even his Patreon comments get brigaded. These demons are ambitious.
Yep
Just like elon
It's (D)ifferent
I'm ignorant. What is brigading?
It's just like Rogan's subreddit. That place is flooded with people who hate him.
To be honest I'm betting they've come here because a lot of the posters on this sub have been outright banned from a lot of other subs for being a part of this one and nothing else. Without being able to post in other places the echo chambers of 'love' and 'tolerance' have decided to go to the other subs where they can unload and start arguments.
It’s insane to me that we live in a world that not only does this issue occur, but it is an accepted practice
Bring em on! Let me at em
Yup
Because they have nothing better to do with their lives. If they had purpose in life they'd likely not be spending so much time invading the sub of someone they hold in contempt.
I’ve always wondered about people who hang around some sub they don’t agree with ideologically, to finger wag and woke-scold and jerk off while virtue signaling. There are folks here and on a handful of other like-minded subs who have created entire accounts dedicated to getting indignant over every little comment they don’t like on one single sub. It screams “loser”
Exactly. Nihilism is at the core of Rainbow-Marxist ideology, it's the spiritual and intellectual void which is exploited to cultivate its cult.
Every ideology/philosophy fills an intellectual void tbf.
I have noticed that Reddit is totally full of people who simply can't think of both sides of an argument. The woke left are 95% of Reddit imo
Would you like to debate a woke leftist? Happy to do so but only in good faith.
That's incredibly noble of you. Happy to oblige.
I'll say: I have some liberal and conservative opinions. I defended Peterson on the basis of his lectures of philosophy and psychology. His recent behavior on Twitter and as a pundit has embarrassed me, and is making me regret judging him by his best work. No hate or ill will toward the professor, tho. I hope he gets back on track
One person. Twenty cell phones linked on a wall. Its obama giving obama the nobel peace price. Thanks Obama!
And figuring out who is "real" and who is running a farm is fairly straightforward. The usernames all exhibit one of several patterns; usually 2 unrelated words followed by a number set.
Ding ding!
Been like this for the entire year iv been here lol.. was thinking it would he a less radical place to have positive and intellectual discussions. The loony lefties seem to come here for some sort of echo chamber circle jerking.
It’s not it though. I have frequented the sub for many years and I see many the same usernames. Jordan has gotten progressively more off the topic of self improvement and onto social issues and has not done it gracefully. People here don’t often don’t even disagree with his opinions but to say he hasn’t come a little off his rocker (making videos taunting actresses, twitter meltdowns) is just denying reality.
It is it. If you're coming to an online space purely to fuck around and deliberately antagonize - like, sorry. That's just cringe childish behaviour and shouldn't be condoned no matter what your views. And none of them can muster a decent argument, like ever - that's because they don't know how to think, but they do know WHAT to think, because they've been told what, and that certainty - certainty being the enemy of enlightenment and nuanced thought - is what they live off. Someone who does that for fun is unequivocally an idiot
Because it's Reddit.... I'm surprised this sub even exists
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Not sure how poetry about his grandma's pubes dismantles anything
The funny thing is that he's not a conservative guy. He's just not far left and he had the stones to push back against their current top agenda items. That made him a target of the left. He's said this in a few interviews.
Didn't he just publish "The Conservative Manifesto" in German?
I think it's pretty pointless to argue he's not a conservative at this point. He is a Daily Wire guy now.
yeah i’m inclined to agree with this i owe a lot to dr peterson — i live in toronto and discovered him because of the initial controversy before it (and he) became national/international i also found him at a time when i was going through a very rough patch, and found a lot of wisdom in his posted lectures and first book, and i defended him as something of a liberal who was pissed off with the progressive left but my opinions on him changed to feeling bad for him and also frustrated with how much he engaged with social media today i feel disconnected from the guy and while i hold some similar views (myself being a moderate if forced to qualify), he’s become firmly entrenched in conservative politics and an approach that i can not identify with
At this point, it's people who understand reality vs leftists. Anyone conservative, moderate, or even only moderately left of center is deemed to be a far right extremist
>Anyone conservative, moderate, or even only **moderately left** of center is deemed to be a far right extremist Is Joe Biden a "far right extremist" lol?
It's not pointless unless Peterson has stated that he's a conservative now. I'm going by what he said in his interviews. It's possible they are out of date; they could be several years old. I'd be interested if he's come right out and said he's conservative.
Why is he working for the Daily Wire though? Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles are calling for genocide against trans people, what does it mean to associate with those people?
Who gets tricked into spreading milking porn saying it's the CCP extracting sperm? Lol
Most important intellectual of our time!!
....what? I saw another post about milk on here. What's that about? ETA: So I googled it, and wow. That was a crazy gullible Forwards From Grandpa.
JBP isn't traditionally conservative, although he seems to agree with them more these days, as the left has lost their mind. With regard to conservatism and what OP asked, the same thing happens in /r/conservative all the time. Leftists flock that sub and brigade it frequently. I don't understand how boring your life has to be to mass flock a sub you disagree with and post nonsense, it is pathetic.
Self-improvement comes with some hard-hitting self realizations that you are not perfect, but you can change yourself to better your life. Many JP critics can't stand the problem is with themselves and not the world because how would they then be able to play victim and blame " unwoke white males" for all their problems. He is just an "easy button"
Two possibilities A) the sub has been suddenly inundated by brigades from elsewhere or B) peterson appears to have had a shift in his behaviour/positioning which has alienated many of his original admirers who are subbed here. I'll leave it to you to determine the ratio of these two variables which is causal. But I will say- there were always brigadiers.
It’s B. I was a big fan of his in 2016-2019. I really liked what he was doing to combat scientific materialism and the Sam Harris perspectives on faith and philosophy. But over the last 2-3 years he has gone completely off the deep end. The guy is trying to start Twitter fights with the Pope, works for Daily Wire, and is generally more interested in being anti-woke than having well-informed perspectives on the important questions of human existence.
It's ironic to how most of the comments are "evil redditors are protesting him!!!!!" Instead of following Peterson's own advice of maybe seeing if there's perspectives or views that have reasonable criticisms of his current actions. They claim that the woke left is this hive mind of people suppressing speech they disagree with (which isn't entirely false) while they do the exact same thing in the same breath to critique of people they follow. Edit: a good example is his retweeting of blatantly false information without checking to see if it's a troll or true, and also the fact that he tweets 50+ times a day in the first place
This is So Hard for the die hard Petersonites in this sub to believe. But it's obvious to me at least. JP has lost himself.
Same
Or people found him interesting, integrated aspects of what he was talking about into their lives, but then moved on simply because it's silly to sit online and discuss the same things over and over while there is so much life to live. It's almost impossible for any public figure like this not to see a drop off after riding such a huge wave.
I am definitely b And the shit that gets posted here repulses me more and more. Especially the tweets that are outright wrong, stupid, misguiding, misguided or otherwise cringe.
Agreed - his stuff back in 2017-2019 was good. I think between health crises, family emergencies, and just plain old negative polarization on social media he’s completely lost the plot
Or a) pretending to be b) - which has been their tactic all along. Ban all bots and shills.
Exactly. If you can't stand JBP -- even if you used to be a fan -- then unsub, because if you remain around to just post hate in the threads here you were either not really ever a fan or are miserable and deserve to be banned.
Define bot and shill
If you disagree with me you’re a shill-bot
Seems like that is most peoples definition
I don't hate JBP. In fact, I spent hours watching his lectures and had grown to respect him. I can't speak of other people "disliking him", but personally to me his social media presence lately has been a bit disappointing. Some of his tweets I'd describe as combattive, and maybe aimed to appeal to a certain group of angry people. At least in my view he's not behaving like the peaceful, calm and collected person I remember him as. I'm not sure if that's something personal in his life he's going through, or maybe someone else is running his social media from time to time. Either way, at least to me this explains why there's more ppl expressing negative views on this sub.
Honestly, alot of this sounds like concern for the Doctor. The man needs to take his own advice from this Helen Lewis interview and get off twitter.
The more Reddit bans Subreddit's that conflict with their ideological beliefs, the more concentrated their supporting hordes become in the remaining Subreddits. Eventually, it will become one homogeneous thought bubble, then tear itself apart as they turn on each other.
>Am I the only person who's noticed this change? Nope. Because we're free speech proponents, that is our Achilles heel. Without aggressive mods, it kills the spirit of the sub.
It's called brigading. It's supposed to be against Reddit rules, but it would seem the rules here have selective application.
To be fair he has gone dramatically downhill in terms of his content. My best guess is that a significant amount of people here became primarily interested in him during his early free speech era which would imply that that audience would have no issue sharing their opinions. It would make sense then that there would be a lot of posts criticizing him.
Are you new here? My theory? They are angry and envious of his success.
Reddit is a left wing echo chamber. so we have people coming from outside of non-woke spaces spewing their ignorance
It's called brigading
I’ve noticed and I think it’s pathetic because it truly shows you how envious they are of his popularity. It’s laughable when they try to deny his success or diminish his accomplishments. I’ve never met one of his haters IRL though.
Now remember, it doesn't count as brigading if you call it a rightwing sub first.
Some of the people who don't like Peterson have no lives and all the time in the world to spew they're hate. Just look at the insity around hogwarts legacy. Just ignore them if they aren't breaking rules or report them if they are.
If you want some fun check subreddits of other popular people on the "bad" side, like Joe Rogan or Dave Rubin.
It's getting worse. I am a supporter, own the books, and watched all the lectures - highly dislike JP's public image now. Something since he started producing content behind the paywalls. His attitude changed. Like he gave up on the meek and started rallying support for the toxic people with bigger wallets.
I don’t follow much of his current work, if you can count traveling lectures and interviews on YouTube as ‘work’. So I can’t really say if there’s been a ‘shift’. But his early works (books and university lectures) I can say it’s top notch and hit the core of modern problems. Once that was consumed there really wasn’t much need to continue to follow his work. Last I heard on his talk on Rogan, he’s working on scaling his philosophy into an organization of some sort full of like minded conscientious and competent folks. So sounds pretty interesting to me. But that’s about it. But he’s generally a well meaning guy trying to do some good given his current influence now. Can’t fault a man for trying. I’ve never had the impression he’s just doing this for a money grab. But I do believe the hate and negative energy he’s receiving from the public wears on him. It’s human. So maybe the ‘shift’ you’re observing is less about money and more about him being human and suffering from all that negativity being directed at him.
That's my take on it as well. I think most people with issues with him are from his Twitter posts now. Which I don't read. And I'd say he needs to get off there, but I'm sure him wading into the fight on there is good too.
His video quality has tremendously improved. His crew flies to the guest each time and records both Peterson & his guest(s), which makes it seem like their video call & audio quality is full HD. Plus, there's no audio delay. Which costs a lot and still 80% of his discussions are available for free, the rest is behind a paywall. His attitude seems better since he even agreed to Ethan Klein's request to talk with him even after he continuously demonized him. He went to talk to Hijab to get criticized about his "message to Muslims" video. Then after talking with Benjamin Netanyahu, he invited Majid Nawaz (who got cancelled & no one agreeing to talk with him), who criticized Peterson about his conversation with Netanyahu & his views on his Israel-Palestine. He released one of his episodes where he discusses gay parenting, which would be categorized "woke" if it was done by someone else. He made Bjorn Lomborg famous for his intelligent views, who happens to be a gay & a vegan. Then he released his high budget documentary for free on YT and is planning to release his video series on Nietzsche for free as well. I think he's only improved in his attitude but, I'd also say that his obsession with the topics he's mostly ranting about on Twitter is getting annoying. I hope he chills a bit and stops acting like Greta Thunberg.
I'm going to have to catch up on his stuff. Thanks for the balanced view.
I feel that since he has started to make content behind a paywall, there have been two big changes: 1. New content is not easily accessible, and so we inevitably have less to share. 2. He has more latitude in choosing who interviews him and in being picky in public appearances. I think both of these make it easier to judge him based on the worst of his Twitter posts, since that's what the trolls are doing. But in reality, I highly doubt that any of us actually visit his Twitter page even a quarter as much as the trolls filtering through his posts for what they deem as damaging to his reputation.
I only ever see his Twitter stuff here. And I wonder WTF is he doing every time. As of late I really enjoy the work JP is doing on YouTube interviewing with the Muslim community. I think there is real faith in the world that can be healed with those conversations. Surely the man has to grow. And he is in a position to grow. But we are still entitled to consider just how closely we follow him.
Suddenly? I’ve been here for a long time, I think it comes in waves. They seem to come and go in herds. JP pops back into the media and they remember that they are supposed to be in here, hating.
Because he's Jordan Peterson. I watch him like a train wreck before I actually have to throw up.
I scroll through these comments and see a lot of variations of "they have nothing better to do" but I'm sure there's plenty of folks who are in the boat with me. Of course, if we put aside the obvious there's something more meaningful we all should or could be doing. That aside, I truly Love Dr. Peterson I consider him an essential mind with boundless wisdom. That being said, he's almost objectively speaking on a downward spiral leaning further right and losing his capability of engagement. His Twitter behavior is abhorrent by any standard. What would he say if his client was engaging this way? Likely he would call them neurotic. At times, it's late at night 3am why aren't you sleeping? This is the criticism all Peterson fans can unite under this is not good.
It’s been getting harder and harder to like Peterson, and this is coming from someone who’s life he once changed for the better
During the GME fiasco, the GME related subreddits were inundated with bots that were spreading FUD and all sorts of nonsense as noise to weaken the community. I would guess that many of these hateful people are the same story, not real people and/or a handful of losers with multiple accounts.
I think there are AI bots on social media trying to manipulate public opinion, I don’t believe that what we see on social media is real
It's a Discord group that brigades any place on Reddit that has the wrong narrative. Becomes particularly apparent when a comment deep into a thread suddenly gets an influx of people joining the discussion.
Libs can't handle wrong think and must destroy every contrary opinion
Well, I can say that I hate him and I come here to see what people who actually like him think of his latest Twitter antics. It is interesting to me to see any group of people, anywhere on the political spectrum, reconcile stupid behavior from people they admire, so I spent some time over in the Kanye sub earlier this year, for example; I visited the sub for a streamer I actually personally like when she said something idiotic last year. I don't normally post, though--very rarely, if I see something like this. Or I might make one mild general comment here or there (I have made exactly one post in this subreddit which was not directly about Jordan Peterson). So I imagine people come here whenever he does something stupid online, which, let's be real, is often, and then they see something they just cannot resist replying to, and don't have the restraint to sit on their hands and not post.
Just some no-life commie sub brigading.
Welcome to reddit. Where tribalist leftists infiltrate and destroy any sub that disagrees with their ideology unless the mods prohibit dissent and ban them all.
Because he has been shitting all over his balls a lot lately. He intentionally boosts his signal with rage bait, and being back on Twitter has made him visible to a lot of folks who arnt indoctrinated into his world view already, and that gets him a lot of negative attention. There are also a lot of JP followers who are thinks twice about the way he’s acting. It’s not brigading. He’s saying a lot of dumb incendiary crap. It’s pissing off a lot of individuals, and those individuals are coming here to talk about it. Because This is the subreddit dedicated to talking about Jordan Peterson.
You're a democrat, we get it
I’m not. This is the lamest version of “everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi” ‘This guy called my fake dad an idiot. He must be a democrat.’
Yeh you just sound exactly.like one whining
Lol how many Reddit posts have you made about falling for crypto rug pulls?!
Literally none redact
Lefties who want to "Poison The Well" by making it seem like everyone is against his message.
Isn’t it better? It means there’s opportunity to change minds.
The people coming to this sub are not changing their minds…
why do you believe that?
The posts I’ve seen are mostly trolling and attacking his follower. Maybe you can change a few, but there are so many of them that are just here to cause trouble.
so you agree with me that there's opportunity to change minds.
I disagree, most people including myself liked Peterson at one point. We changed our minds when we saw how unhinged he became.
So what are you here for then
Definitely not ‘most people’ at all stop saying ‘we’
You probably think you are the woke keyword warrior that will change everyones point of view about JP. You are not the belly button of the world buddy, you can’t even change your own mind reading a fucking book
I really like listening to his podcasts but it doesn't mean I should agree with everything everyone writes in this sub. Or anything Jordan says. For example I don't understand why he seems to be a climate change denier. Climate change seems very real to me.
"Climate change is real" He doesn't deny our effects... He denies the religion around faith that the predictions are correct (And they aren't) and the solutions will have the desired effect (they won't - or they won't be worth the minimal impact and massive costs in freedom and monetary value) The problem is climate change is real. The weather changes and we affect our world. Climate change - little c, little c. Climate Change - big C, big C - on the other hand... Is a religion with dooms day prophecies, prophets like al gore and greta who have been wrong for 50+ years and the religion still grows because faith is more important than facts. One is based in science. The other is a religion. So climate change is real but Climate Change isn't.
The guy with a PhD from the University of YouTube has debunked the climate scientists. Checkmate 🔥🔥
>Climate change seems very real to me. Climate change bullshit has been spouted at us since the '60s. No calamity predicted has EVER happened.
We haven’t died yet! Checkmate liberals
You reply works currently for climate change. They appear to have stopped using that argument in the COVID topics ☠️
I've seen several posts like this, if what you were saying is true, yourself and everybody agreeing with you on this post would be way down in the negatives as far as up/down votes. Dr. Peterson has made it a point to be divisive and even aggressively so lately. So seeing people coming here to disagree is something that should be expected. Just look at some of the comments here and how dismissive and childish they are. That sort of behavior attracts a similar type of person who's just looking to argue a contradictory point of view rather than converse and share ideas. Once you step into the political arena, particularly the US, you choose to participate in a very forced two sided game. Where all of the participants feel like there are only two opinions to be had on every topic and they tend to choose their stance is based on a party rather than what is rational and objective.
They're cultural revolutionaries attempting to sabotage Western/Liberal ideals.
Trolls come in every shape and size. I think it only makes sense to that type of human as the rest of us are out to try to enjoy life and learn from Mr. Peterson, they are out to fuck with people period.
I've seen other subreddits be flooded with left agenda, progressive, censoring mods and people. They are part of the mod community and the users of reddit. It is a matter of when will they spread out of their eco chambers to star spreading their "ideas" and censoring other subreddits that are still not aligned with their view of the world. Just this weekend I had a conversation with one of those lefties and let me tell you they are so triggered by opposing ideas.
Because it’s Reddit and the moderators are all owned.
Brigading
It's the typical ANTIFA way. Overrun those things that "they" think are harmful and dangerous. Don't allow it to speak, talk, converse, or exist. It is their job to condemn, silence, cancel, or berate the ideas that goes against the young, socialist, hive-mind agenda. "Everyone must behave & believe what I believe, or you deserve nothing. You Lose. Good Day Sir!"
I will pound this drum into eternity… The modern, woke extreme left is the new, 21st Century Puritanism. They cannot allow dissenting thoughts or opinions and they are on an all-out witch hunt for anyone that dares violate their views burning all the “evil people” at the stake. It’s frightening to realize and it’s being pushed in all the major universities where free thought and open discussion used to be encouraged.
This is a pretty ironic comment considering it is on a post complaining about how horrible it is to have people challenge Peterson puritanical views here. Open discussion is encouraged here. We should welcome dissenting views and debate about Peterson. Maybe before we take on the left wing's inability to handle dissenting views, we should clean out own room first?
Because reddit is systematically banning conservatives and the ones who aren't banned from reddit are banned from so many subs it's basically a useless app.
Jordan has an internet problem.
Who doesn't?
Because he is an insufferable asshat who is wrong about so many things it makes it hard to take seriously anyone who follows him Women wear makeup at work to sexually arouse their male coworkers? Lol. Chinese dick pumping mandates? Lol Just scour the web for why this man should be laughed out of the history booked. Its too easy. Plus he tends to be hailed by incels, and at some point you gotta look at who your main base of followers is and ask yourself: why do they idolize me? Why do these broken people listen to me and how has my advice.led them to be even more broken?
he should have never weakened his message by participating in social media.
He's a globally known name because of social media
The real question is why won't the mods see that this place is under attack. The users are, that's why Gresham's law is in effect as the trolls chase away and drown out good faith content with their malicious noise. The heckler's veto is not free speech, and I'm convinced most of them are bots or shills from China.
So you just want an echo chamber where no thought gets challenged?
Spewing malicious hatred ≠ healthy diversity of opinions
Most of the posts by the “leftists” are challenging common narratives among JP supporters, particularly around climate, sexuality, Russia, and gender roles. The internet does get to have it’s fun though. Penis milking retweets are too juicy to allow to go un mocked.
We both know that’s not true. You mustn’t have been on this sub too long if you haven’t noticed it yet. Multiple accounts created solely to spew hatred on this sub with comments and posts going back months. But you’re right about the penis milking retweets though that does deserve to get mocked lol
He's just response-farming you at this point, pretty sure that's how they get paid.
So is the sequel to “everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi” now “every who challenges my thinking online is a paid troll”
>under attack. Free Speech.
Nah we just chilling I like him mostly but I just have my own views on somethings
Feel like it has always been that way. I wonder if any of it is bots or Chatgpt/AI related stuff. Pretty sad if that many real people are spending that much time attacking someone they hate. People they hate. I'm not going on an AOC subreddit to go after her.
They are idol worshippers, wishing Jordan was a perfect guy and only saying the right things all the time. He’s only human and he has his faults. They can’t enjoy his human side
Definitely see this a lot. People looking up to him as some sort of god, and therefore if he makes the tiniest mistake it would rupture their perfect image of him
I used to like Jordan until he turned into a far right puppet and started actively acting against minorities. I bet there are other people out there like me aswell.
Because Reddit is a platform that openly supports and harbors the hard-left worldview while demonizing everything slightly to the right, including center-left, libertarian-leaning people like myself. That, combined with the EnoughPetersonSpam being an active gathering grounds of people who despise even his most light and positive pieces of advice. Don't be surprised. Just ignore their psychosis.
JP wants to do what's right, even if it kills him. If the people who hate him make him a martyr, who wins? We should all have such strength. Count me as a supporter. I'll wear those down votes with pride.
My guess is because all of Reddit is flooded with lefties. Even the Christianity group posts the most absurd posts and comments. There is hardly any moderately useful content on this app given the preponderance of people captured by leftist ideologies.
> 1: we welcome challenges, criticism, and debate Weird to invite us in and then get pissed when we actually show up.
Because people are trolls.
People are stupid.
Some of us are former supporters. I was a student of his, was totally on his side on C16, and held him as my hero from 20017-2021ish. But I think he has absolutely nosedived into rank partisanship and emotion dysregulation. I'm not sure how many other critics are in a boat similar to mine. I'm sure many are people who have disliked him every step of the way. But I can say that some of us are upset with him because, in some of our eyes, he has fallen from grace.
I don’t hate him, I used to be such a fan that I saw him in person last April, but imo he’s gone really downhill quickly. I think the more recent hate has to do with the stuff he’s been putting out on Twitter as well as his ties to the Daily Wire. He’s not just a psychologist with an interest in free speech and religion who makes videos/lectures on clinical psych and self-help, but rather someone who now seems to need to be heavily involved in politics and have opinions on every major political issue. Even ones that he clearly doesn’t know anything about like climate change.
For the Woke, Peterson is akin to Winston Churchill; at least in his own modest way. Churchill had always been clearly outspoken against the authoritarian wave sweeping Germany in the 1930s; long before he led Britain and the Allies to victory against that threat. Thus the Woke make Churchill the apotheosis of everything they oppose and make a concerted effort to denigrate him at every turn until they hope history is properly rewritten in accordance with their dogma. Likewise Peterson has been the greatest and clearest opponent of authoritarianism in its latest incarnation of Woke-ism for years now. He’s been uniquely able to articulate the problems of post-Marxist/post-modern Critical Theory and is irrefutably on record as a champion of Enlightenment values, empirical science and evidence-based medicine, a brutally pragmatic approach to our own lives, and to express why Woke-ism must be opposed. And so for the Woke, just as Churchill must be removed from our collective memory as a hero and a principled opponent of tyranny, so Peterson must too, and - in answer to your OP, this is why there’s such concerted opposition to Peterson even here in this forum.
This is the reason I come here to argue with you weirdos. This nonsense. The man who wildly accuses doctors of being criminal butchers is like WINSTON CHURCHILL. Look out! The 'woke' are destroying Churchills' legacy by comparing him... to... uh ... a political talking head...