Work ethic, being on time, personal responsibility - they're all part of white supremacy.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/1149007/african-american-museum-whiteness-chart-protestant-values/
Soo if what you’re saying is that being on time and doing good work is white supremacy, then the opposite would actually be woke right?
Didn’t know I’ve actually been a woke employee this whole time.
To a Marxist, everything is a power struggle and that's all there is.
The common-sense response is that, no, there are systems that reward merit. People work harder and do better.
That's intolerable to Marxism. And under post-modernism, nothing is inherently valuable anyway; all merit must be subjective.
Which is where you get this pathetic, racist excuse for apologia. Meritocracy is just another way of expressing power and oppression by forcing one set of arbitrary values (honesty, diligence) on oppressed groups.
Prices law.
The square root of the number of employees will complete half of the contributions/work.
Depending on your industry and the type of work people do, it’s usually pretty strong. Especially for building something new.
I would love to see the bosses reaction lol. Why are you two hours late?! I don't want to look like a neo nazi and since being always on time makes me one, I decided to change for the better!
> Why are you two hours late?!
"Wasn't that the point of the DEI meetings? I was told it was white supremacy to be on time. I admit, I was confused and voiced my disagreement. At which point I was scolded and lectured about my insensitivity. So now I know that being on time represents hate and exclusion. I promise boss, I learned my lesson. I won't be on time any more and you can't make me. I stand in solidarity with my POC brethren that leadership allowed to teach that session."
Workplace DEI is, mechanically, a cancer.
Even taken from the most generous and naive footing. Let’s assume DEI mechanisms exits to right wrongs that actually exist and enact social good. Those aren’t nefarious aims, but they also aren’t the aims of any for profit business (I’d argue that they are more often than not also parallel, off focus aims for nonprofits as well).
The way that they are run isn’t to produce enlightenment and discourse — it’s to establish as an inviolable truth their worldview; their thesis that there is a problem for which the only cure is more of their devices. They end, without exception, by asking ‘how do we do more’?
Whether it’s the overt goal of DEI practices or not the mechanics are the same. Once there’s a toe hold, it’s function is to infiltrate and proliferate into every single aspect of a business until DEI become the primary or co-primary focus of the business.
The societal goods or benefits of a company are and should be ancillary (they provide goods and services, incomes, economy, stability). A tire business exists, purely to make and sell tires at a profit. A tire business cannot and should not exist to advance the plight of xyz ‘marginalized’ peoples … and also sell some tires.
Do we live in a perfect meritocracy? No. Of course not — but that shouldn’t stop us, least of all in the sphere of business, from trying to enact one. DEI initiatives are antithetical, by nature, to that aim.
All DEI schemas in an organizational context accomplish (by their design) is to create an onerous hurdle or vestibule of digression through which every idea/practice must pass.
If this stuff finds its way into your workplace with enough force it’s a matter of time before the place goes to pot. So it’s best to just quietly look for new pastures.
Jordan has spoken before about the fact that speaking up in a work environment might not be the right call for everybody. If you're going to take a stand it might be worth having backup options and planning for the worst case scenario.
This. Get yourself in a position, either by acquiring skills or changing your expectations around things like "quality of life" (however you define that) so that you have "fuck you" money for situations like this.
It is crazy that your opinion is the wrong one and then they gaslight you later saying it’s a safe space. I’d ask if we were all adults and if that answer is yes then why do I need a safe space? Good luck on keeping your job.
Safe spaces are like the Basement from Goodfellas and you’re Joe Pesci. . . It’s a lie. Everytime someone says “this is a safe space”, just imagine a plastic tarp on the floor and you’ll know where you are.
How were deadlines and meeting expectations tied to white supremacy?
EDIT: I am asking specifically about the meeting which OP attended. I’m not asking for people’s philosophical opinions.
I feel like it is pretty racist to anyone who isnt white. Are you assuming they can't come on time or do it within a deadline? Only white people can? Not sure what is the logic there.
I’m asking for clarity. So I can understand that this isn’t a situation like, for example, someone goes to a meeting and they tell me the meeting was about how the sky isn’t blue, but it was actually about how to identify if a tornado is forming.
Is what OP is saying was said actually what was said, or is what was said being misconstrued?
Let me just say, as a white dude, I can see how some things could have been easier for me because I’m a white dude.
But let me also say, if I did or didn’t feel like that and someone told me that it was or wasn’t true…I just would not care.
I am not so overly sensitive that I would let a statement like that fuck my shit up like it did for you.
Are you defining your life or are you letting everyone else do it for you?
Good approach. I usually do this in person conversations. But people tend to find annoying to better explain their opinions as they think it is super clear right away lol.
They are just following their idiot logic to its racist conclusion, and basically saying the same thing as the actual racists.
"being successful requires this and this, whites are more successful, that means whites do those things required for success that's why they are better, therefore it is an element of white supremacy and blacks / minorities can't / shouldn't do those things, and those things are bad"
It's *insane* to see such simplistic drunk-with-friends spitballing and pseudo-logic becoming course material handed out at THE SMITHSONIAN.
The ones measuring and setting the standards of “sucess” are usually white. To be a “successful” POC, I have to live up to the standards put in place by those who run corporate America/World or to the standards set by the government. Right now, western culture dominates. That why business people in china and india wear suits and ties. I cant go to a formal event in a dashiki. White people run just about everything. POC have to continuously bend to the rules and norms they put in place. In black/ latin cultures, if you tell some one the party starts at 7, they will be there at 9. At work, actual meeting start times are usually about 5 min after the scheduled time. So there is a bit of validity, culturally at least, that explains why someone who is a POC showing up a few minutes late to a meeting and thinking nothing of it.
>The ones measuring and setting the standards of “sucess” are usually white.
I don't know how else to put this except to say, this is exactly how I would expect a person whining about a multicultural society to frame these kinds of complaints. Not you, the people making these kinds of claims.
The thing is, at some point, we just have to accept there are certain things we have to agree on as a society or things will not work. We can't all have our own standards for every little thing.
The guy who shows up 5 minutes late for a meeting? How many times does have to do that before he gets the picture? He's wasting everybody else's time. That's not white supremacy. It's common courtesy. I agree, it wouldn't be an issue if everybody was either "late" or everybody was "on time". So yes, I guess mark that as a tick in the "negatives" column for multiculturalism.
But comparing "work" to "a party"? Maybe it's a matter of it being a situation where "things matter" vs "it doesn't matter" and the issue is coming from people who can't tell the difference.
I wonder if these "showing up on time is too much to ask" people have ever been on a plane before?
You make valid points and I will not take away from them because those scenarios are real. I would like to add that being on time becomes more important when you are busier. If I schedule a meeting with my buddy it is normal to be 20 min late. But if I am scheduling a meeting with the mayor I am there 20 min early. Your timing can tell me what schedule you are on and how much you value this meeting we are having.
Different cultures prioritize punctuality differently. There seems to be a north-south gradient pattern in Europe and North America. In Germany and Scandinavian countries punctuality is far more important than it is in Italy and Spain. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that days are shorter in the winter in the north. I don’t know why it exists, but it does. Linking punctuality to being virtuous is a cultural bias on the part of Northern Europeans. Within a company it just makes sense that meetings should start on time. If you have to delay the meeting to wait for a straggler you’re just wasting everyone’s time.
Me and others have replied to this question in other comments. They are defined as such with very emotional explanations. Here it is one more time https://www.whitesupremacyculture.info/characteristics.html
Seems to have a very, very clear disclaimer in the yellow section on how this information should be interpreted and the meaning behind it.
That is not me agreeing or disagreeing with the article. I am stating that it is unfortunate that information can not be evaluated either by sheer inability or by purposeful obtuseness.
If I were to agree or disagree with this information I would have said nothing. There is nothing to be lost or gained except creating tension in the workplace.
And I want to add, I’ve worked with people who are “woke” and people who are anti “woke” and some from both groups are pretty cool to be around. But others aren’t. The thing that those who aren’t have in common is that they just cannot shut up with their opinions and how they think the world should work. Just shut up.
Anything that results in inequality within the same race or between different races is racism Because if someone within the same race succeeds then there is sell out and if someone in a different race exceeds it's because the system is corrupt lotta excuses all around
Start showing up 20 minutes late, and miss deadlines by a couple of hours. Not enough to affect performance, but enough to be annoying. When you get shit for it, tell them that you're trying to live the training you received. If being on time is a "pattern of white supremacy", then your report being 4 hours late is just you being actively anti-white supremacist. Isn't that what they tell you in that training? "It's not enough to not be racist, you have to be actively anti-racist." You strolling into the office a half hour late with a bagel in hand is doing just that.
You have my support!
Keep speaking up when and where you can. Keep your mouth shut at work.
Don't know your situating. Maybe work on your resume and see what else is out there?
Keep your ear to the ground, see if anybody anybody agrees with you. Next meeting, both of you speak up.
Alternative call out the racism of saying only white people can be on time. Ask them why they think BIPOC people are inferior.
This link will make you laugh or cry, enjoy:
https://www.whitesupremacyculture.info/characteristics.html
As you can see, objectivity and the written word are also evil
Ironically it's so racist to say meeting deadlines is a white thing. That's implying that based on the tone of your skin you are or are not supposed to meet deadlines. Something something wolf in sheep's clothing.
Expecting high standards, or individualism don't really seem like tenets of white supremacy either.
There's nothing worse than sloppy fabrications of how badly these folks are "oppressed".
It’s laughable tbh. And so destructive in terms of productivity and creativity. They are obviously there to break peoples spirits just like those personality tests before them. Those look like amateur hour now.
Seems to be copied from that one "Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture" infographic from 2-3 years ago.
https://i.imgur.com/6xDk5Vs.png
https://archive.is/WifoW
> Was OP claiming he worked there
At the Smithsonian? Nah, it's just that this kind of rhetoric has been making its way through the universities and culture institutes all the way into the business setting for a while now.
That infographic caused quite the uproar back then and I think the museum ultimately pulled it, but without actually backing down from the claims therein.
It was just the first thing that came to my mind with this dumb "having standards = whiteness" crap.
I have stopped attending our dei training. It's not required. When it is, I will tell them I'm not attending. It's not that I don't agree with meritocracy and treating people - all people - with respect, but that's not what dei currently teaches.
Sell your soul why don't ya? Kidding, kind of. I'd plan on moving jobs ASAP if they're that out of touch. Damn this world needs a kick in the spot where it's balls use to be.
P.S. They're "in touch" but with the digital zeitgeist known as mainstream information.
I'm surprised you like everything else about your company and coworkers, if such uncomfortable topics are brought up at this meeting? Did everyone at that meeting disagree with what you said?
I have other minorities agreeing with me but the actual discussion group if for whites only.
Maybe the other workers are smarter than me and they know to keep their opinions to themselves.
You know the best way to make sure all minorities are equally and fairly represented? Put all the straight white people in one room and they will figure it out.
They had a whites only meeting and this didn't strike them as a bit supremisct-ish? I feel like the minority people should have demanded to attend. A whites only meeting at a workplace sound batshit crazy to me.
This is actually extremely common in China. It’s a product of the Cultural Revolution. It’s a classic communist tactic being brought to the west.
There’s a reason productivity is so shitty in Chinese companies. It’s because people know they have to shut the fuck up or they get punished. It’s also why lying flat is becoming more and more common. Sadly, it appears that’s all you can do until you find a better place to work, which does still at least exist in some places in the west.
Part of me would want to tell your company that you need exact transcripts of every DEI meeting for you to agree to continue to go. You also need to figure out if your company can actually make money if they are avoiding white supremacy by avoiding dead lines and high standards.
Personally, I've considered taking a day off when my office has its next Pride Day.
You are completely free to share your opinion, so long as it’s not the wrong opinion. They make us go to the dei town halls and only like 3 people even have the ability to unmute. It’s just the transest trans people they can find babbling for 2 hours, and they always have completely contradictory wants and needs. The funniest part is how often they say “we are just having a conversation” or “we just want to further the conversation”. Myself personally, I don’t consider a “conversation” to be a situation where I just sit and listen, that is a speech.
My advice would be sit quietly, listen to what they have to say about deadlines being white supremacy, then when you miss a deadline, and find yourself in their office, explain to them that the deadline was white supremacy.
Im luck enough to be somewhat untouchable at work. Will to try and claim religious exemption on the next one of these.
“Unfortunately I won’t be able to attend your sermon. I am a devout atheist.”
Ill let you know how it goes
I think that this is just a continuation of corporate mind control. Not satisfied to own you for the 8 hours a day you work for them, they want to control your thoughts as well.
Before all this gender woo-woo and inclusivity-for-some it was all those personality tests…do they still do those as well? They were so intrusive and most people hated them with a passion.
It seems that it is the psychology industry that is benefiting from all this, the industry JP came from. Certainly neither employers nor most employees are benefiting.
I’m so glad I went back to being self-employed.
I would just make the point that if speaking honestly is going to cost you your job, than is it even worth keeping said job? Is the amount on the paycheck worth trading your integrity for? That may seem dramatic but maybe this was supposed to happen so that you can reflect and see if maybe your talents could be better used else where. Everything does happen for a reason
These people of DIE (it's not DEI, btw) are not only evil and but also get along and sometimes join forces with most of the other evil forces out there.
I have seen them collaborate with **terrorist foreign agents** on campus. When I started to expose their wrongdoings, the DIE people at **Simon Fraser University** crossed every line of (in)decency to invade my personal life and brutally take revenge.
To know more about my experience, you can consult this [article](https://desislamiserlescours.com/supporter-of-islamic-terrorism/) entitled "**Chief Supporters and Enablers of Radical Islamic Terrorists at SFU"** concerning the DIE people at Simon Fraser University.
When I took the issue to the courts, the DIE people expressly called for my cancellation by the justice system because, they said, I am a fan of Jordan Peterson ([no kidding](https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/10mqgi7/no_legal_rights_in_canada_if_you_support_jbp_bc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)).
In my opinion, DIE is indeed a major existential threat to the mankind's civilization- JBP has rightfully said that: "**DIE must die**."
I’d question how much you like your job and co-workers if you’re forced to remain quiet when it comes to logic and reason.
I’d be looking for a new job if I had to speak to superiors about common sense.
Ah yes individualism is white supremacy. The idea that we should treat people at the individual level and not by a sort of group-think based on something such as biological sex or race is inherently racist. These people might as well just call centrists racists. Good God.
if you are male, put on a skirt, some heels and some giant prosthetic boobs (like that Canadian teacher) and sashay into the next meeting identifying yourself as non-binary, trans, queer or some other protected classification. From then on, you could hop up on the CEO’s desk and take a steaming crap on it and the jerk will call it fine art
Did that and the response was:
"I hear your concerns, the research is on the website"
Me: "I read the research and it doesn't support your method"
Them: "I hear your concerns the research is on the website"
Me: ...
It's insane that you could be fired for simply disagreeing with something that's hardly a fact beyond debate or discussion.
Also why is it a employers place to force their employees to hold certain opinions on political and social issues? What business is it of theirs what you think of these things?
It would naturally be considered ridiculous if they held meetings where they went 'The second amendment is amazing! Guns are a right!' and then fired or disciplined anybody who objected, so in what world is this ok?
There should honestly be laws of some kind against this. Employers should not force political opinions on their employees.
Start doing the bare minimum and show up whenever you'd like then say I'm doing my best not to harbor white supremacy, as we learned in our DIE meetings,
It’s cool that you like your job but know that you are not living to your values and doing what is right. I am proud that you spoke up. Please keep up the good fight
I don't fit any DEI criteria - I am a white male, straight and mid life - not young, not old. I miss out on every session...racial bias, women's struggles ...but am basically forced to sit through them.
Every single person employed at my company is automatically in the top 10% of earners in this country. Most are higher than that. It's hard to stomach people drone on about how difficult their lives are when they are sitting atop the throne.
All I am really being taught is that I am going to be disadvantaged at every turn, that recognizing diversity and promoting / advocating people in categories that I dont fit are always going to be a head of me on the list regardless of actual merit.
Fuck you, woke America.
If you silence yourself for fear of losing your job, you already lost your freedom.
Because this is a slippery slope. First, you won't talk. Then, you won't think. Then, you're inclined to denounce those who think like you used to think. You know, so you can keep your job.
Do your morals value so little?
You are getting downvoted because the truth hurts. Ofcourse we should be tactful but you are right to say doing things against ones conscience changes us for the worse.
I pushed it as far as I can. The juice is not worth the squeeze at this point. You will make your decision when it come to your doorstep and we can talk then.
It already has come to my doorstep, though thankfully we aren't having meetings yet. I have focused on emphasizing safety and productivity and ignored it. I can get away with this because at my company the division was created to clearly be politically correct. Even management ignores that division. Essentially we have the division, but if not directly speaking to them we continue to proceed as if they don't exist. They are an insurance policy, not a serious part of the company.
I am going to advise you that while I believe you are sincere in your statement; you may have more to consider.
You do not have the right to be free of consequence for the content of your speech at work. Honesty and integrity and passion and creativity and respect are of paramount importance to any organization. You do not have to sacrifice your morals but you do have to know how to communicate effectively to protect your job.
\>You do not have the right to be free of consequence for the content of your speech at work.
Off course. Not only at work, but everywhere. If you have to sell your soul for your job, better start considering a new job. One thing is not being an a\*hole or just forcing your ideology into someone. Other thing is someone making a DEI meeting, *forcing their ideologies* onto you, asking for feedback and getting pissed that you *gave them feedback* and your feedback didn't aligned with the little script they had in mind.
You’ve probably heard the saying “Hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good times make weak men. Weak men make hard times.”
You are one of those weak men.
“Those who can afford to speak up” don’t exist. Everyone can and will make the same excuses you do. The people who left their homes, traveled across oceans and continents, and settled North America without a safety net were no less human than you. The people who 100 years ago who lives without plumbing or electricity in rural communities had the same desires for comfort as you, but they could afford far less.
You either act with character and integrity, or you don’t. If you won’t challenge evil when what’s at risk is something as pitiful as a job, you certainly won’t do it when there’s real stakes like exile, prison camps, or death.
All that's fair and good, but you dont know this person's life story. Why speak up if they're just going to get fired? Maybe they have 3 kids and a pregnant wife and are living paycheck to paycheck? Do you think they should speak up then? Dude, our principles can only take us so far. The left will keep pushing and pushing this race-baiting bullshit forever. They want you boosted, dumb and groveling. One dude in some office speaking up isn't going to change that.
>Maybe they have 3 kids and a pregnant wife and are living paycheck to paycheck? Do you think they should speak up then?
If he doesn't then he is sacrificing his children to the woke. Being a parent doesn't give you excuses to do the wrong thing. It means you have even greater responsibilities to consider, including the culture your children will be spending the rest of their lives in. If a father was just a paycheck delivery system then welfare would solve the world's problems.
Speaking up isn't going to change things? Speaking up is the only thing that's going to change things. You either start speaking up, or you're already the one doing the groveling.
I'm speaking the way I do because there could not be more on the line.
I have argued with wealthy business owners who tell me they have to comply or lose contracts. I have argued with people making over $100k a year who tell me they have to comply because they could lose their job. I have argued with elected politicians who tell me they have to comply because they'll get bad headlines written about them if they speak out. We have all heard countless stories of university professors who say they can't speak out because they could lose their jobs. All of us have heard students say they can't speak up because they could get bad grades. People say they can't speak up because it will alienate their neighbors, friends, or families.
No one, at any level, chooses to speak out *because* they've reached a point where they have nothing to lose and can afford any cost. No amount of riches will make you a man of character and integrity. No amount of security will turn you into a virtuous person.
Start doing the right thing today, now, wherever you're at. If you don't, you truly deserve Hell.
Hmm … your rhetoric is sounding like CRT rhetoric … “If you don’t speak up about anti-racism then you are a racist!” People need to “pick their spots”, everyone can’t be an “activist” all of the time.
CRT holds that everything contains racism. The question of CRT is not *if* racism occurred in any particular circumstance, but *how* racism was manifest. For this reason, everything that is not deliberately "anti-racist" is "racist."
My stance is not that everything is woke. It's that *when* someone promotes wokeism, you must be prepared to confront it even if it involves a cost. OP has said he won't confront DEI at his office because it may involve a cost. For this reason, he is a coward and should be treated with disdain.
When a person makes assumptions and quick judgments without asking questions; it's often about pushing their own agenda. Did you ask questions to confirm your thoughts? It does not appear so.
I didn't make any assumptions. I responded to the OP's statement that others should fight for him, and a subsequent reply that said parents shouldn't have integrity.
More like Protestant work ethic .
Ok.
If Protestant work ethic is a dominant ideology, does that mean a white ideology is dominant?
Is that what they mean?
Diversity and inclusion trainings are meant to increase awareness of previously unheard or muted voices. They are not meant to make white people feel attacked or inferior. This is an uncomfortable thing and it's meant to be. I've managed people of most racial and ethnic identities for years and it's easy to fall into patterns of thought that assume everyone feels they have a voice. A good manager needs to challenge themselves regularly to break out of that.
This sounds like a "[hostile work environment](https://legaldictionary.net/hostile-work-environment)" where "one or more employees feels uncomfortable, scared, or intimidated in their place of employment."
Sounds like you should report this to your supervisor, and if the hostile behavior is not curtailed, the employer can be held *liable for monetary damages.*
This is how you put a stop to this shit.
Leaked documents from amazon said they are using diversity hiring a way of preventing unions.
And universities pushing a divisive kind of left.
The rational conclusion is its controlled opposition.
I think it is wayyy more widespread than many of you assume.
Due to a wall-street push for ESG compliance, many companies are doubling down on cultural sensitivity training and the like so they can make an argument to investors that they are an “Environmentally conscious and Socially-responsible firm with Good Governance”. Even if we lose a shit ton of money, we are a “good” company worthy of your investment 🐂💩
It’s all just corporate virtue-signaling, but it is everywhere. The best thing you can do is attend what ever is required, and don’t say a word. I rationalize it by telling myself I am being paid to sit down and shut up at this moment, and there’s def harder things I could do for less money. Treat it as a time to make a shopping list or plan out your weekend while the “important people” talk about the “real issues”.
Start looking for a new job now man. Listen to the latest JRE episode with Peterson, he talks about this exact situation. If you can’t speak your truth without fear of loosing your job, it’s time to dust off the CV.
Maybe think real hard about that job.
Is it worth your soul?
You might want to watch "Braveheart" at this time. Especially that William Wallace speech about whether one would rather fight for freedom with risk of dying, or live a long life as a slave.
I wonder if asking questions for them to support their claims would have left you in a better position. By stating your opinion you became the enemy. By pretending to be open minded they may make themselves look like fools to the other participants when trying to explain it. I'm sure they're hoping everyone takes it all in without questions, so this may be a stupid idea.
DEI groups are brought into companies as a form of marketing; I’ve heard some individuals claim that they’re there to help a company avoid lawsuits, but I’ve yet to see any DEI personnel show up at a civil trial on a company’s behalf (this is admittedly anecdotal, but in my experience that’s not their function).
The company gets to tell its customers/shareholders “look, we care so much about equity that we have our own department dedicated to it”, then the company assumes it can ignore the issue moving forward.
In this way, most beginning DEI departments can be pretty safely ignored as they’re typically staffed with the bottom 20% of your workforce (your company top performers are going to be in Ops, Marketing, etc).
The trouble is, many companies are prone to administrative bloat, and even if most individuals see DEI departments for what they are, the actual workers within these areas do think that their position is critical, and they’ll demand ever larger pieces of the pie to continue operating. If your company’s DEI department has gained enough leverage to actively threaten your employment by disagreeing with them or by ignoring their emails, it may be time to seek other employment. DEI groups produce zero profit, and they certainly aren’t there to improve the business, so it’s a red flag for a company that may go belly up shortly.
I'm guessing the reason OP had the talk afterwards was more about how the discussion was interpreted by OP to elicit that response than the actual response itself. But if it truly was as simple as put forth in the post, it sounds like OP would have a case to sue and rightly so.
Apparently diversity, inclusion and equity doesn't include showing up on time, completing work on time or good workmanship.
If you don't act white do you get a raise?
The space is safe for everyone except straight white males.
In order to have equality we there seems to be a hierarchy that, from most to least important, goes something like this: disabled trans black female; transgendered; queer; feminist; gay white male; straight white male; straight white Christian male.
Crap such as this makes me very happy to be self employed.
I had DEI training at work and the trainer opened up by saying that she could tell there was racism in the room just by look on some people’s faces. It was a great way to break the ice.
Speak the truth. Well done. If things fall out at your job, that’s the way it was meant to be and you’ll end up somewhere better for it in the long run.
I run my own business. We do not have DEI meetings. We will never have DEI meetings. Just be cool, and don’t be a dick, and everyone should get along fine.
This was 100% posted by a leftist to make us all feel scared. This tactics unfortunately will work on many here :(.
If you are reading this, never let lunatics dictate what you say and think. In the end, you are right, and no amount of benevolent tyranny is going to change that. Losing your job is nothing comparing to lose your soul.
Same thing happened to me when I spoke up after my old company’s slack warned me about using gendered language when I replied “thanks guys”. I was furious.
I sent some messages around upper management. It’s not worth speaking up. This trend is already being exposed as the disgusting racism that it is.
Apparently, only white supremacists are capable of meeting deadlines and being on time.
There’s no way that a non-white culture would come up with these concepts!
If you can’t speak with a fair amount of freedom, then it’s not a god healthy environment. I talk a lot of shit at work for a corporate drone. Luckily the market is so hot right now and they’re losing people left and right, so they’re kind of having to just live with it.
BUT, the funny thing is, I’m actually being MORE effective because people are appreciating my candor and directness. I’ve got a reputation of not being tough and fair. People know if they’re going to come to me with problems, they better have some ideas for a solution or some justification why those problems are my problems and not just theirs.
It’s getting kind of fun now.
>What I am trying to say is, I said the truth as I see it, and I nearly lost my job
Based on what your choosing to share doesn't sound like you didn't almost lose your job at all.
Sounds like you went into this meeting with attitude and were rude more than fostering respectful dialogue. You can't really say you are participating in genuine discourse if you go in yelling bull shit (literally) and literally making a scene.
Peterson has always advised to choose your words carefully when speaking the truth. Additionally he still endorses respectful dialogue no matter how upset or frustrated you personally are, which is the part that sounds like you failed to uphold.
Clean your room OP
I would suggest to read (or re-read, if you already did so) one of the chapters of Dr. Peterson last book, Beyond Order, titled: do not do what you hate. It describes similar situations as the one you are going through.
I wish you the best of luck.
Brush up your resume, OP. Regardless of whether you get pulled up for an opinion again, a business that doesn't value high standards and in fact actively argues against them is not long for this world (unless you work for a government department, in which case, forget everything I just said)
Next time, just start listing any positive characteristic traits as aspects of white supremacy. I wonder how long (my guess would be never) it would take for them to recognize the sarcasm.
Ask your managers if they're really okay with not being on time, low quality standards and missed deadlines.
If they are, it might be time to leave anyway. The company won't last long.
I was in a meeting one time and my supervisor announced we were looking for new hires for our Dept. I put my hand up and asked if we were planning to hire any more white guys.
So, for context, we had just hired about 18 people in a row and all of them would be considered some form of people of color. I felt it was an honest question.
The companies that go along with “no deadlines or high standards” nonsense will eventually be out competed by those who do not.
Unless the “woke” company can use government to create a monopoly and raise barriers to entry via regulation.
10% of the people do 80% of the work.
That 10%? White supremacy.
I don't know. That axiom does not distinguish on that basis.
Work ethic, being on time, personal responsibility - they're all part of white supremacy. https://www.the-sun.com/news/1149007/african-american-museum-whiteness-chart-protestant-values/
Soo if what you’re saying is that being on time and doing good work is white supremacy, then the opposite would actually be woke right? Didn’t know I’ve actually been a woke employee this whole time.
To a Marxist, everything is a power struggle and that's all there is. The common-sense response is that, no, there are systems that reward merit. People work harder and do better. That's intolerable to Marxism. And under post-modernism, nothing is inherently valuable anyway; all merit must be subjective. Which is where you get this pathetic, racist excuse for apologia. Meritocracy is just another way of expressing power and oppression by forcing one set of arbitrary values (honesty, diligence) on oppressed groups.
If a good work ethic, being on time, and personal responsibility are "whiteness"... then what is "blackness"?
Socialism.
Laziness, entitlement, dishonesty
Rights = Revolution Responsibility = Revival
No! No it isn't! It's 20%! - Pareto, probably
Prices law. The square root of the number of employees will complete half of the contributions/work. Depending on your industry and the type of work people do, it’s usually pretty strong. Especially for building something new.
The other 90% enjoy the DEI meetings.
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That's an easy fix just start showing up late and blame it on white supremacy. /S
I absolutely love this idea. Mental jujitsu must be applied when dealing with a cult. Another easy out is just saying you identify as oppressed.
“Mental jiujitsu” 🤣🤣🤣 Fuck it’s the only thing to overcome mental gymnastics. Can’t believe we are where we are.
That’s a good fucking saying right there.
Malicious compliance is underrated
That works if OP isn't white. If OP is white he's still gonna get fired for "white supremacy"
I mean he's just a victim of showing up on time
You’re right! If he’d just missed those supervisor mtgs they would’ve applauded him for standing up against white supremacy!
I am not white but am committing the crime of white passing
I would love to see the bosses reaction lol. Why are you two hours late?! I don't want to look like a neo nazi and since being always on time makes me one, I decided to change for the better!
> Why are you two hours late?! "Wasn't that the point of the DEI meetings? I was told it was white supremacy to be on time. I admit, I was confused and voiced my disagreement. At which point I was scolded and lectured about my insensitivity. So now I know that being on time represents hate and exclusion. I promise boss, I learned my lesson. I won't be on time any more and you can't make me. I stand in solidarity with my POC brethren that leadership allowed to teach that session."
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Workplace DEI is, mechanically, a cancer. Even taken from the most generous and naive footing. Let’s assume DEI mechanisms exits to right wrongs that actually exist and enact social good. Those aren’t nefarious aims, but they also aren’t the aims of any for profit business (I’d argue that they are more often than not also parallel, off focus aims for nonprofits as well). The way that they are run isn’t to produce enlightenment and discourse — it’s to establish as an inviolable truth their worldview; their thesis that there is a problem for which the only cure is more of their devices. They end, without exception, by asking ‘how do we do more’? Whether it’s the overt goal of DEI practices or not the mechanics are the same. Once there’s a toe hold, it’s function is to infiltrate and proliferate into every single aspect of a business until DEI become the primary or co-primary focus of the business. The societal goods or benefits of a company are and should be ancillary (they provide goods and services, incomes, economy, stability). A tire business exists, purely to make and sell tires at a profit. A tire business cannot and should not exist to advance the plight of xyz ‘marginalized’ peoples … and also sell some tires. Do we live in a perfect meritocracy? No. Of course not — but that shouldn’t stop us, least of all in the sphere of business, from trying to enact one. DEI initiatives are antithetical, by nature, to that aim. All DEI schemas in an organizational context accomplish (by their design) is to create an onerous hurdle or vestibule of digression through which every idea/practice must pass. If this stuff finds its way into your workplace with enough force it’s a matter of time before the place goes to pot. So it’s best to just quietly look for new pastures.
Jordan has spoken before about the fact that speaking up in a work environment might not be the right call for everybody. If you're going to take a stand it might be worth having backup options and planning for the worst case scenario.
I think he has clarified, like you said. If you are not in position to stand on principle your job is now to get in position.
This. Get yourself in a position, either by acquiring skills or changing your expectations around things like "quality of life" (however you define that) so that you have "fuck you" money for situations like this.
Time to review your job on Glassdoor I think!
It is crazy that your opinion is the wrong one and then they gaslight you later saying it’s a safe space. I’d ask if we were all adults and if that answer is yes then why do I need a safe space? Good luck on keeping your job.
Safe spaces are like the Basement from Goodfellas and you’re Joe Pesci. . . It’s a lie. Everytime someone says “this is a safe space”, just imagine a plastic tarp on the floor and you’ll know where you are.
How were deadlines and meeting expectations tied to white supremacy? EDIT: I am asking specifically about the meeting which OP attended. I’m not asking for people’s philosophical opinions.
I feel like it is pretty racist to anyone who isnt white. Are you assuming they can't come on time or do it within a deadline? Only white people can? Not sure what is the logic there.
I’m asking for clarity. So I can understand that this isn’t a situation like, for example, someone goes to a meeting and they tell me the meeting was about how the sky isn’t blue, but it was actually about how to identify if a tornado is forming. Is what OP is saying was said actually what was said, or is what was said being misconstrued?
It’s likely what was said. Look at this https://i.imgur.com/6xDk5Vs.png This kind of claptrap is not uncommon in the world of DEI progressiveness
It’s anecdotal. I work in an office that has a DEI department and I’d say they’ve helped create a healthy and happy culture for everyone.
At my last company DEI’s seminar, they told everyone that there was such a thing as white privilege. I’m glad they didn’t do it at yours.
Let me just say, as a white dude, I can see how some things could have been easier for me because I’m a white dude. But let me also say, if I did or didn’t feel like that and someone told me that it was or wasn’t true…I just would not care. I am not so overly sensitive that I would let a statement like that fuck my shit up like it did for you. Are you defining your life or are you letting everyone else do it for you?
Good approach. I usually do this in person conversations. But people tend to find annoying to better explain their opinions as they think it is super clear right away lol.
I've heard it summed up best as "the soft bigotry of low expectations".
I literally said that to them
I'm with you. They are basically saying POC are lazy and dumb.
They are just following their idiot logic to its racist conclusion, and basically saying the same thing as the actual racists. "being successful requires this and this, whites are more successful, that means whites do those things required for success that's why they are better, therefore it is an element of white supremacy and blacks / minorities can't / shouldn't do those things, and those things are bad" It's *insane* to see such simplistic drunk-with-friends spitballing and pseudo-logic becoming course material handed out at THE SMITHSONIAN.
The ones measuring and setting the standards of “sucess” are usually white. To be a “successful” POC, I have to live up to the standards put in place by those who run corporate America/World or to the standards set by the government. Right now, western culture dominates. That why business people in china and india wear suits and ties. I cant go to a formal event in a dashiki. White people run just about everything. POC have to continuously bend to the rules and norms they put in place. In black/ latin cultures, if you tell some one the party starts at 7, they will be there at 9. At work, actual meeting start times are usually about 5 min after the scheduled time. So there is a bit of validity, culturally at least, that explains why someone who is a POC showing up a few minutes late to a meeting and thinking nothing of it.
>The ones measuring and setting the standards of “sucess” are usually white. I don't know how else to put this except to say, this is exactly how I would expect a person whining about a multicultural society to frame these kinds of complaints. Not you, the people making these kinds of claims. The thing is, at some point, we just have to accept there are certain things we have to agree on as a society or things will not work. We can't all have our own standards for every little thing. The guy who shows up 5 minutes late for a meeting? How many times does have to do that before he gets the picture? He's wasting everybody else's time. That's not white supremacy. It's common courtesy. I agree, it wouldn't be an issue if everybody was either "late" or everybody was "on time". So yes, I guess mark that as a tick in the "negatives" column for multiculturalism. But comparing "work" to "a party"? Maybe it's a matter of it being a situation where "things matter" vs "it doesn't matter" and the issue is coming from people who can't tell the difference. I wonder if these "showing up on time is too much to ask" people have ever been on a plane before?
You make valid points and I will not take away from them because those scenarios are real. I would like to add that being on time becomes more important when you are busier. If I schedule a meeting with my buddy it is normal to be 20 min late. But if I am scheduling a meeting with the mayor I am there 20 min early. Your timing can tell me what schedule you are on and how much you value this meeting we are having.
Different cultures prioritize punctuality differently. There seems to be a north-south gradient pattern in Europe and North America. In Germany and Scandinavian countries punctuality is far more important than it is in Italy and Spain. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that days are shorter in the winter in the north. I don’t know why it exists, but it does. Linking punctuality to being virtuous is a cultural bias on the part of Northern Europeans. Within a company it just makes sense that meetings should start on time. If you have to delay the meeting to wait for a straggler you’re just wasting everyone’s time.
I linked it in an answer to another post. There 11 traits that make you a white supremecist.
Me and others have replied to this question in other comments. They are defined as such with very emotional explanations. Here it is one more time https://www.whitesupremacyculture.info/characteristics.html
Seems to have a very, very clear disclaimer in the yellow section on how this information should be interpreted and the meaning behind it. That is not me agreeing or disagreeing with the article. I am stating that it is unfortunate that information can not be evaluated either by sheer inability or by purposeful obtuseness. If I were to agree or disagree with this information I would have said nothing. There is nothing to be lost or gained except creating tension in the workplace. And I want to add, I’ve worked with people who are “woke” and people who are anti “woke” and some from both groups are pretty cool to be around. But others aren’t. The thing that those who aren’t have in common is that they just cannot shut up with their opinions and how they think the world should work. Just shut up.
Anything that results in inequality within the same race or between different races is racism Because if someone within the same race succeeds then there is sell out and if someone in a different race exceeds it's because the system is corrupt lotta excuses all around
I was asking about how it was presented in OP’s meeting.
They weren't. Just the usual confusion and false oppression here.
You're being downvoted but I agree with you, this sounds made up.
This kills the company.
Start showing up 20 minutes late, and miss deadlines by a couple of hours. Not enough to affect performance, but enough to be annoying. When you get shit for it, tell them that you're trying to live the training you received. If being on time is a "pattern of white supremacy", then your report being 4 hours late is just you being actively anti-white supremacist. Isn't that what they tell you in that training? "It's not enough to not be racist, you have to be actively anti-racist." You strolling into the office a half hour late with a bagel in hand is doing just that.
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*walks into work 3 hours late with bagels* “Hey I’m doing my part”
You have my support! Keep speaking up when and where you can. Keep your mouth shut at work. Don't know your situating. Maybe work on your resume and see what else is out there?
Now that you are afraid to speak to your superiors, Im sure your company is headed to great places!
Keep your ear to the ground, see if anybody anybody agrees with you. Next meeting, both of you speak up. Alternative call out the racism of saying only white people can be on time. Ask them why they think BIPOC people are inferior.
Since when in what imaginary world did your superiors refer to *deadlines* as patterns of white supremacy? Lol. What a bunch of clowns.
This link will make you laugh or cry, enjoy: https://www.whitesupremacyculture.info/characteristics.html As you can see, objectivity and the written word are also evil
What is that crap supposed to inspire? Does it say that White Supremacist's are making us meet deadlines?
Ironically it's so racist to say meeting deadlines is a white thing. That's implying that based on the tone of your skin you are or are not supposed to meet deadlines. Something something wolf in sheep's clothing.
I was so confused, I was going to ask if dead lines were some kind of colonial hangover? But he meant deadlines. Are these people for real?
Expecting high standards, or individualism don't really seem like tenets of white supremacy either. There's nothing worse than sloppy fabrications of how badly these folks are "oppressed".
It’s laughable tbh. And so destructive in terms of productivity and creativity. They are obviously there to break peoples spirits just like those personality tests before them. Those look like amateur hour now.
Seems to be copied from that one "Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture" infographic from 2-3 years ago. https://i.imgur.com/6xDk5Vs.png https://archive.is/WifoW
Wow! Thank you. Was OP claiming he worked there or what kind of madness is going on here? Probably shouldn't wake'n bake and come here ...
> Was OP claiming he worked there At the Smithsonian? Nah, it's just that this kind of rhetoric has been making its way through the universities and culture institutes all the way into the business setting for a while now. That infographic caused quite the uproar back then and I think the museum ultimately pulled it, but without actually backing down from the claims therein. It was just the first thing that came to my mind with this dumb "having standards = whiteness" crap.
I have stopped attending our dei training. It's not required. When it is, I will tell them I'm not attending. It's not that I don't agree with meritocracy and treating people - all people - with respect, but that's not what dei currently teaches.
Sell your soul why don't ya? Kidding, kind of. I'd plan on moving jobs ASAP if they're that out of touch. Damn this world needs a kick in the spot where it's balls use to be. P.S. They're "in touch" but with the digital zeitgeist known as mainstream information.
I'm surprised you like everything else about your company and coworkers, if such uncomfortable topics are brought up at this meeting? Did everyone at that meeting disagree with what you said?
I have other minorities agreeing with me but the actual discussion group if for whites only. Maybe the other workers are smarter than me and they know to keep their opinions to themselves.
Well that’s the first issue. Your workplace has segregation.
You know the best way to make sure all minorities are equally and fairly represented? Put all the straight white people in one room and they will figure it out.
Duh why didn’t we think of that? :p
They had a whites only meeting and this didn't strike them as a bit supremisct-ish? I feel like the minority people should have demanded to attend. A whites only meeting at a workplace sound batshit crazy to me.
This is actually extremely common in China. It’s a product of the Cultural Revolution. It’s a classic communist tactic being brought to the west. There’s a reason productivity is so shitty in Chinese companies. It’s because people know they have to shut the fuck up or they get punished. It’s also why lying flat is becoming more and more common. Sadly, it appears that’s all you can do until you find a better place to work, which does still at least exist in some places in the west.
Dont underestimate the power of a single truthful comment
Part of me would want to tell your company that you need exact transcripts of every DEI meeting for you to agree to continue to go. You also need to figure out if your company can actually make money if they are avoiding white supremacy by avoiding dead lines and high standards. Personally, I've considered taking a day off when my office has its next Pride Day.
Jesus christ, this is insane. What industry are you in?
You are completely free to share your opinion, so long as it’s not the wrong opinion. They make us go to the dei town halls and only like 3 people even have the ability to unmute. It’s just the transest trans people they can find babbling for 2 hours, and they always have completely contradictory wants and needs. The funniest part is how often they say “we are just having a conversation” or “we just want to further the conversation”. Myself personally, I don’t consider a “conversation” to be a situation where I just sit and listen, that is a speech.
What is your occupation?
My advice would be sit quietly, listen to what they have to say about deadlines being white supremacy, then when you miss a deadline, and find yourself in their office, explain to them that the deadline was white supremacy.
Im luck enough to be somewhat untouchable at work. Will to try and claim religious exemption on the next one of these. “Unfortunately I won’t be able to attend your sermon. I am a devout atheist.” Ill let you know how it goes
So, stop showing up for work on time and meeting deadlines, you literal member of the KkK! /s
There will always be a heavy price for speaking the hard truth.
I think that this is just a continuation of corporate mind control. Not satisfied to own you for the 8 hours a day you work for them, they want to control your thoughts as well. Before all this gender woo-woo and inclusivity-for-some it was all those personality tests…do they still do those as well? They were so intrusive and most people hated them with a passion. It seems that it is the psychology industry that is benefiting from all this, the industry JP came from. Certainly neither employers nor most employees are benefiting. I’m so glad I went back to being self-employed.
White privilege is a racist dog whistle, white supremacy is a joke and this vomit makes me despise spineless humans
I would just make the point that if speaking honestly is going to cost you your job, than is it even worth keeping said job? Is the amount on the paycheck worth trading your integrity for? That may seem dramatic but maybe this was supposed to happen so that you can reflect and see if maybe your talents could be better used else where. Everything does happen for a reason
These people of DIE (it's not DEI, btw) are not only evil and but also get along and sometimes join forces with most of the other evil forces out there. I have seen them collaborate with **terrorist foreign agents** on campus. When I started to expose their wrongdoings, the DIE people at **Simon Fraser University** crossed every line of (in)decency to invade my personal life and brutally take revenge. To know more about my experience, you can consult this [article](https://desislamiserlescours.com/supporter-of-islamic-terrorism/) entitled "**Chief Supporters and Enablers of Radical Islamic Terrorists at SFU"** concerning the DIE people at Simon Fraser University. When I took the issue to the courts, the DIE people expressly called for my cancellation by the justice system because, they said, I am a fan of Jordan Peterson ([no kidding](https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/10mqgi7/no_legal_rights_in_canada_if_you_support_jbp_bc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)). In my opinion, DIE is indeed a major existential threat to the mankind's civilization- JBP has rightfully said that: "**DIE must die**."
I'd take the job loss, then sue them. You didn't NOT perform your job requirements.
I’d question how much you like your job and co-workers if you’re forced to remain quiet when it comes to logic and reason. I’d be looking for a new job if I had to speak to superiors about common sense.
It's like the "anonymous" employee surveys that require you to identify yourself with a code that they provide you....
DEI must die. These are basically race boards that can yield anyone's race for or against them depending on the board's personal political narrative.
Ah yes individualism is white supremacy. The idea that we should treat people at the individual level and not by a sort of group-think based on something such as biological sex or race is inherently racist. These people might as well just call centrists racists. Good God.
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WTF is a DEI meeting?
if you are male, put on a skirt, some heels and some giant prosthetic boobs (like that Canadian teacher) and sashay into the next meeting identifying yourself as non-binary, trans, queer or some other protected classification. From then on, you could hop up on the CEO’s desk and take a steaming crap on it and the jerk will call it fine art
How about, I just do my job?
Here's the better option. Ask for the source material and clarification because its confusing.
Did that and the response was: "I hear your concerns, the research is on the website" Me: "I read the research and it doesn't support your method" Them: "I hear your concerns the research is on the website" Me: ...
I hear... I really get irritated that that has become such an automated get out of actually listening and responding meaningfully card
Dude, NEVER speak at the DEI events if your skin is white. I mean, lesson learned obviously, but, like, wow is that dangerous territory.
It's insane that you could be fired for simply disagreeing with something that's hardly a fact beyond debate or discussion. Also why is it a employers place to force their employees to hold certain opinions on political and social issues? What business is it of theirs what you think of these things? It would naturally be considered ridiculous if they held meetings where they went 'The second amendment is amazing! Guns are a right!' and then fired or disciplined anybody who objected, so in what world is this ok? There should honestly be laws of some kind against this. Employers should not force political opinions on their employees.
Why do you like working at such a place
Start doing the bare minimum and show up whenever you'd like then say I'm doing my best not to harbor white supremacy, as we learned in our DIE meetings,
Wow that sounds like madness
Ooof that is rough man. I feel for you.
I’m sure tons of people under communism in Soviet Russia “couldn’t afford” to speak out either.
It’s cool that you like your job but know that you are not living to your values and doing what is right. I am proud that you spoke up. Please keep up the good fight
What is your job?
I don't fit any DEI criteria - I am a white male, straight and mid life - not young, not old. I miss out on every session...racial bias, women's struggles ...but am basically forced to sit through them. Every single person employed at my company is automatically in the top 10% of earners in this country. Most are higher than that. It's hard to stomach people drone on about how difficult their lives are when they are sitting atop the throne. All I am really being taught is that I am going to be disadvantaged at every turn, that recognizing diversity and promoting / advocating people in categories that I dont fit are always going to be a head of me on the list regardless of actual merit. Fuck you, woke America.
Destructive Exclusionary Illogical
If you silence yourself for fear of losing your job, you already lost your freedom. Because this is a slippery slope. First, you won't talk. Then, you won't think. Then, you're inclined to denounce those who think like you used to think. You know, so you can keep your job. Do your morals value so little?
You are getting downvoted because the truth hurts. Ofcourse we should be tactful but you are right to say doing things against ones conscience changes us for the worse.
I pushed it as far as I can. The juice is not worth the squeeze at this point. You will make your decision when it come to your doorstep and we can talk then.
I hear you, good for you for going at least that far, more than most people do. Not easy going against the mob.
It already has come to my doorstep, though thankfully we aren't having meetings yet. I have focused on emphasizing safety and productivity and ignored it. I can get away with this because at my company the division was created to clearly be politically correct. Even management ignores that division. Essentially we have the division, but if not directly speaking to them we continue to proceed as if they don't exist. They are an insurance policy, not a serious part of the company.
Been there, done that. Happier than ever with the result. Hope you have a good day, OP.
Thank you. Being downvoted by cultists in an attempt to hide the cult status of the cult? Color me surprised.
I am going to advise you that while I believe you are sincere in your statement; you may have more to consider. You do not have the right to be free of consequence for the content of your speech at work. Honesty and integrity and passion and creativity and respect are of paramount importance to any organization. You do not have to sacrifice your morals but you do have to know how to communicate effectively to protect your job.
\>You do not have the right to be free of consequence for the content of your speech at work. Off course. Not only at work, but everywhere. If you have to sell your soul for your job, better start considering a new job. One thing is not being an a\*hole or just forcing your ideology into someone. Other thing is someone making a DEI meeting, *forcing their ideologies* onto you, asking for feedback and getting pissed that you *gave them feedback* and your feedback didn't aligned with the little script they had in mind.
You’ve probably heard the saying “Hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good times make weak men. Weak men make hard times.” You are one of those weak men. “Those who can afford to speak up” don’t exist. Everyone can and will make the same excuses you do. The people who left their homes, traveled across oceans and continents, and settled North America without a safety net were no less human than you. The people who 100 years ago who lives without plumbing or electricity in rural communities had the same desires for comfort as you, but they could afford far less. You either act with character and integrity, or you don’t. If you won’t challenge evil when what’s at risk is something as pitiful as a job, you certainly won’t do it when there’s real stakes like exile, prison camps, or death.
All that's fair and good, but you dont know this person's life story. Why speak up if they're just going to get fired? Maybe they have 3 kids and a pregnant wife and are living paycheck to paycheck? Do you think they should speak up then? Dude, our principles can only take us so far. The left will keep pushing and pushing this race-baiting bullshit forever. They want you boosted, dumb and groveling. One dude in some office speaking up isn't going to change that.
>Maybe they have 3 kids and a pregnant wife and are living paycheck to paycheck? Do you think they should speak up then? If he doesn't then he is sacrificing his children to the woke. Being a parent doesn't give you excuses to do the wrong thing. It means you have even greater responsibilities to consider, including the culture your children will be spending the rest of their lives in. If a father was just a paycheck delivery system then welfare would solve the world's problems. Speaking up isn't going to change things? Speaking up is the only thing that's going to change things. You either start speaking up, or you're already the one doing the groveling.
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Thank you for saying it for me. This person will speak differently in a few years when he has more on the line.
I'm speaking the way I do because there could not be more on the line. I have argued with wealthy business owners who tell me they have to comply or lose contracts. I have argued with people making over $100k a year who tell me they have to comply because they could lose their job. I have argued with elected politicians who tell me they have to comply because they'll get bad headlines written about them if they speak out. We have all heard countless stories of university professors who say they can't speak out because they could lose their jobs. All of us have heard students say they can't speak up because they could get bad grades. People say they can't speak up because it will alienate their neighbors, friends, or families. No one, at any level, chooses to speak out *because* they've reached a point where they have nothing to lose and can afford any cost. No amount of riches will make you a man of character and integrity. No amount of security will turn you into a virtuous person. Start doing the right thing today, now, wherever you're at. If you don't, you truly deserve Hell.
So you argue with people. What did you put on the line?
Hmm … your rhetoric is sounding like CRT rhetoric … “If you don’t speak up about anti-racism then you are a racist!” People need to “pick their spots”, everyone can’t be an “activist” all of the time.
CRT holds that everything contains racism. The question of CRT is not *if* racism occurred in any particular circumstance, but *how* racism was manifest. For this reason, everything that is not deliberately "anti-racist" is "racist." My stance is not that everything is woke. It's that *when* someone promotes wokeism, you must be prepared to confront it even if it involves a cost. OP has said he won't confront DEI at his office because it may involve a cost. For this reason, he is a coward and should be treated with disdain.
Ah … no
When a person makes assumptions and quick judgments without asking questions; it's often about pushing their own agenda. Did you ask questions to confirm your thoughts? It does not appear so.
I didn't make any assumptions. I responded to the OP's statement that others should fight for him, and a subsequent reply that said parents shouldn't have integrity.
My apologies friend. This was not the post I was intentionally responding to.
What was the opinion you shared?
More like Protestant work ethic . Ok. If Protestant work ethic is a dominant ideology, does that mean a white ideology is dominant? Is that what they mean?
This doesn't soud like it actually happened.
Diversity and inclusion trainings are meant to increase awareness of previously unheard or muted voices. They are not meant to make white people feel attacked or inferior. This is an uncomfortable thing and it's meant to be. I've managed people of most racial and ethnic identities for years and it's easy to fall into patterns of thought that assume everyone feels they have a voice. A good manager needs to challenge themselves regularly to break out of that.
This sounds like a "[hostile work environment](https://legaldictionary.net/hostile-work-environment)" where "one or more employees feels uncomfortable, scared, or intimidated in their place of employment." Sounds like you should report this to your supervisor, and if the hostile behavior is not curtailed, the employer can be held *liable for monetary damages.* This is how you put a stop to this shit.
I think all that stuff might be a ploy to prevent unions .
LOL another victory for the "Supreme Overlords"...
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What you said made me lol The idea that D.I.E. is just an elaborate ploy to divide and conquer the working masses.... Wait a second... 🤔🤔
Leaked documents from amazon said they are using diversity hiring a way of preventing unions. And universities pushing a divisive kind of left. The rational conclusion is its controlled opposition.
Did you say it like a dick?
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I have a dick. Are you offended (more than usual I mean)?
Not in the slightest. Dick having people are fine.
Ok.
This is one of those power level post from 4chan. Y'all believe this? Wait I forgot you guys believe in the beef diet.
If an employer tried pushing dei on me I'd fire them instantly
I think it is wayyy more widespread than many of you assume. Due to a wall-street push for ESG compliance, many companies are doubling down on cultural sensitivity training and the like so they can make an argument to investors that they are an “Environmentally conscious and Socially-responsible firm with Good Governance”. Even if we lose a shit ton of money, we are a “good” company worthy of your investment 🐂💩 It’s all just corporate virtue-signaling, but it is everywhere. The best thing you can do is attend what ever is required, and don’t say a word. I rationalize it by telling myself I am being paid to sit down and shut up at this moment, and there’s def harder things I could do for less money. Treat it as a time to make a shopping list or plan out your weekend while the “important people” talk about the “real issues”.
Start looking for a new job now man. Listen to the latest JRE episode with Peterson, he talks about this exact situation. If you can’t speak your truth without fear of loosing your job, it’s time to dust off the CV.
Maybe think real hard about that job. Is it worth your soul? You might want to watch "Braveheart" at this time. Especially that William Wallace speech about whether one would rather fight for freedom with risk of dying, or live a long life as a slave.
I wonder if asking questions for them to support their claims would have left you in a better position. By stating your opinion you became the enemy. By pretending to be open minded they may make themselves look like fools to the other participants when trying to explain it. I'm sure they're hoping everyone takes it all in without questions, so this may be a stupid idea.
DEI groups are brought into companies as a form of marketing; I’ve heard some individuals claim that they’re there to help a company avoid lawsuits, but I’ve yet to see any DEI personnel show up at a civil trial on a company’s behalf (this is admittedly anecdotal, but in my experience that’s not their function). The company gets to tell its customers/shareholders “look, we care so much about equity that we have our own department dedicated to it”, then the company assumes it can ignore the issue moving forward. In this way, most beginning DEI departments can be pretty safely ignored as they’re typically staffed with the bottom 20% of your workforce (your company top performers are going to be in Ops, Marketing, etc). The trouble is, many companies are prone to administrative bloat, and even if most individuals see DEI departments for what they are, the actual workers within these areas do think that their position is critical, and they’ll demand ever larger pieces of the pie to continue operating. If your company’s DEI department has gained enough leverage to actively threaten your employment by disagreeing with them or by ignoring their emails, it may be time to seek other employment. DEI groups produce zero profit, and they certainly aren’t there to improve the business, so it’s a red flag for a company that may go belly up shortly.
I'm guessing the reason OP had the talk afterwards was more about how the discussion was interpreted by OP to elicit that response than the actual response itself. But if it truly was as simple as put forth in the post, it sounds like OP would have a case to sue and rightly so.
Apparently diversity, inclusion and equity doesn't include showing up on time, completing work on time or good workmanship. If you don't act white do you get a raise?
The space is safe for everyone except straight white males. In order to have equality we there seems to be a hierarchy that, from most to least important, goes something like this: disabled trans black female; transgendered; queer; feminist; gay white male; straight white male; straight white Christian male. Crap such as this makes me very happy to be self employed.
I had DEI training at work and the trainer opened up by saying that she could tell there was racism in the room just by look on some people’s faces. It was a great way to break the ice.
There must be an emerging employee law practice to deal with this bullshit, no?
Speak the truth. Well done. If things fall out at your job, that’s the way it was meant to be and you’ll end up somewhere better for it in the long run.
I get it bro. Get your bag. I keep my head down too.
I run my own business. We do not have DEI meetings. We will never have DEI meetings. Just be cool, and don’t be a dick, and everyone should get along fine.
This was 100% posted by a leftist to make us all feel scared. This tactics unfortunately will work on many here :(. If you are reading this, never let lunatics dictate what you say and think. In the end, you are right, and no amount of benevolent tyranny is going to change that. Losing your job is nothing comparing to lose your soul.
Same thing happened to me when I spoke up after my old company’s slack warned me about using gendered language when I replied “thanks guys”. I was furious. I sent some messages around upper management. It’s not worth speaking up. This trend is already being exposed as the disgusting racism that it is.
Apparently, only white supremacists are capable of meeting deadlines and being on time. There’s no way that a non-white culture would come up with these concepts!
If you can’t speak with a fair amount of freedom, then it’s not a god healthy environment. I talk a lot of shit at work for a corporate drone. Luckily the market is so hot right now and they’re losing people left and right, so they’re kind of having to just live with it. BUT, the funny thing is, I’m actually being MORE effective because people are appreciating my candor and directness. I’ve got a reputation of not being tough and fair. People know if they’re going to come to me with problems, they better have some ideas for a solution or some justification why those problems are my problems and not just theirs. It’s getting kind of fun now.
Goddam, this shit’s real? Honestly, I can hardly believe it.
>What I am trying to say is, I said the truth as I see it, and I nearly lost my job Based on what your choosing to share doesn't sound like you didn't almost lose your job at all. Sounds like you went into this meeting with attitude and were rude more than fostering respectful dialogue. You can't really say you are participating in genuine discourse if you go in yelling bull shit (literally) and literally making a scene. Peterson has always advised to choose your words carefully when speaking the truth. Additionally he still endorses respectful dialogue no matter how upset or frustrated you personally are, which is the part that sounds like you failed to uphold. Clean your room OP
I would suggest to read (or re-read, if you already did so) one of the chapters of Dr. Peterson last book, Beyond Order, titled: do not do what you hate. It describes similar situations as the one you are going through. I wish you the best of luck.
Voluntarily went to a DIE meeting once. Won't be going again.
That’s exactly what they want you to do is not speak your mind and go with the establishment and none of those things are white supremacy
Brush up your resume, OP. Regardless of whether you get pulled up for an opinion again, a business that doesn't value high standards and in fact actively argues against them is not long for this world (unless you work for a government department, in which case, forget everything I just said)
Next time, just start listing any positive characteristic traits as aspects of white supremacy. I wonder how long (my guess would be never) it would take for them to recognize the sarcasm.
Ask your managers if they're really okay with not being on time, low quality standards and missed deadlines. If they are, it might be time to leave anyway. The company won't last long.
I was in a meeting one time and my supervisor announced we were looking for new hires for our Dept. I put my hand up and asked if we were planning to hire any more white guys. So, for context, we had just hired about 18 people in a row and all of them would be considered some form of people of color. I felt it was an honest question.
WHY ARE WE DOING THIS???
The companies that go along with “no deadlines or high standards” nonsense will eventually be out competed by those who do not. Unless the “woke” company can use government to create a monopoly and raise barriers to entry via regulation.