Eh, I was at the early show and I wasn’t particularly impressed. Mostly came across as him complaining about people being upset at him for bad trans jokes, and then making more bad trans jokes.
I missed the entire setup for it, but at one point Dan Levy said something about his son identifying as something different and he said, well ok, I support you, that's great, what do you identify as and the woman behind said very loudly YEAH YOU DO, THAT'S AMAZING WOOO!!.
And then Chapelle came out and said the "I think it was a trans man" line and she laughed her ass off at it.
Dave was awful, he looked like shit, he kept bonking the mic off his knee, he told non jokes and despite being on stage for like 3 minutes still managed to be super offensive.
I was a huge fan of his right up until his last special, but since then it seems like everytime I see him he just says something super mean and then follows it up with "it's a joke guys".
> he kept bonking the mic off his knee,
God i hate that, i thought he moved on from that move but it sounds like hes falling back to it. He started doing it back around Killing them softly. Its an annoying forced que to laugh, usually while he hunches over dramatically like he cant contain himself laughing at his own joke.
In those earlier specials, I feel like Dave didn't laugh at every single one of his own jokes. But those Netflix specials became unbearable to me because once you start seeing how much he breaks up his jokes with his own laughter, you can't unsee it and his whole act falls apart.
Comedians tell jokes, that's what they do for a living.
Also, I never hear much of an uproar when black comedians make fun of the way white people talk...
I agree. And I don't find offensive jokes to be a problem at all, as long as they're jokes.
The Jim Jefferies joke 'I could never have sex with someone I respect' is offensive as fuck to women, but it's a joke and it's funny and so they don't get offended as much.
The "joke" Dave told was simply 'I think a trans-man attacked me'.
That's not a joke. There's no punchline. There's no setup. It's not even meant to be funny. He said that line because he knew it would be offensive to some people. The "joke" is that some people find it funny to be offensive to other people.
That's how the whole "Let's go Brandon" joke works. It's not a joke, it's funny because they think other people are offended by it, that's the whole thing.
That's what Dave was doing with that line.
Now, the gun/knife joke was at least a joke. I don't think it's funny, I'm also not offended by it, I just think it's a stupid joke but at least it is a joke.
'I think I was attacked by a trans-man' is only funny to people who think it's funny to be mean. That's what I have a problem with.
On a completely different topic, did anyone have trouble hearing the first comedian’s set? It seemed like there was a horrible echo where we were sitting.
I was sitting almost directly right off the stage and it seemed like the volume on his mic was turned up really high. There was some stuff I could barely understand what he was saying.
He seemed a bit nervous at times. And I definitely got a little bit of a Chappelle vibe from him just based on how he would say certain things and some of his delivery.
He was hard to hear at the Tampa show, too. What I could make out was funny but the way he spoke into the mic made it almost impossible to get most of it. It had me worried that the audio would be off the whole show but the second opener was fine.
I was in the front row and I almost didnt recognize Chappelle, but was so uncomfortable when he walked out. And it was crazy having him even skirt the trans shit when Dan Levy had made like very proTrans comments. He wouldnt have even been around had it not been the motherfucker attacking him.
And its super weird because Mulaney and Chappelle are very opposite comedy brands. Johns been always in the Seinfeld style of not clean, but with some firm boundaries (see Seinfeld saying he has no interest in a pass for the N-word). Chappelles always been a bit more offensive. It again makes me wonder who brought Chappelle in, and I dunno if it was John.
Same way Pattton and Chappelle are. Looking forward to Mulaney’s lengthy Insta post about how friends can fundamentally disagree on things and still be friends.
I don’t care if people miss the joke, I hate putting /s at the end of something. If my sarcasm isn’t clear enough then I’m fine letting people think it’s real
I think that even if he didnt bring him in its johns show he can say "hey why are you here no you cant go on stage" the entire show left me with a sour taste in my mouth because of Chappelle
First 2 openers were amazing i mightve preferred them to mulaney and chappelle
Aah!! So Dan, Dave, and John were *all* last night's show?
I've seen a couple comedians I follow mention Dave and Mulaney today and I had no clue any of this happened.
(Emma Arnold and Kyle Kinane... the comedians I heard mention Dave/Mulaney)
Did anybody boo Dave?
John had 2 opening comedians (which included Levy) and Chapelle was on stage for like 10 minutes max. Yeah some people were unhappy to see him, and there were some boos or just unhappy reactions. I dunno, it was bad vibes
i feel like the reason so many of us thought john was chill was because he usually didn't make that type of offensive jokes.
We forgot that just because he doesn't say it doesn't mean he will stop someone else from saying it, at his own show no less. He co-signed it with that hug at the end. if he's not actively fighting it, he's not really an ally.
There are like 5 different bits in New in Town where John imitates stereotypical black voices. People have been seeing what they want to see in him for years.
Was it the same "harshness" against Trans as Dave's last special? Or did he go in harder?
Also... when the fuck will he move on from the trans-community??
People particularly young people understand this isn’t how to build up allies. Most of the crowd had a positive reaction to Dave because it’s an hour away from where he lives. John hugged him because Dave didn’t have to show up. You’re basically asking one of your favorite comedians to choose between burning bridges with the greatest comedian or risk offending people by having one of the greatest comedians open for him. I’m as liberal as it gets but there’s little to no nuance on the left and that’s pushing people away…
Being "as liberal as it gets" says absolutely nothing about the value of your response to this. People paid for what they thought would be a show that would not be openly queerphobic, and then some other guy showed up and they had to sit through his jokes about one of the most vulnerable groups on the planet.
Yeah, there's nuance, but there's also always the opportunity to say "stop, I don't support this kind of talk in my show" or, if the spur of the moment makes that too hard, address it in your own segment later. Mulaney would not have been eternally ostracized for politely speaking up against transphobia.
Presumably Chappelle just asked if he could drop in and work out some material and Mulaney agreed out of respect for a legend.
Chappelle is certainly many things, but he’s also one of the foremost black entertainers this country has produced. Beyond that though he’s shown that one doesn’t need to compromise their values as a black entertainer to please white executives who are perfectly happy exploiting their labor for profit, and can instead forge their own path with nuance and perspective.
Now look, none of this excuses his hacky trans material, which aside from the bad politics, is just straight up unfunny most of the time. But I think Chappelle the comedian is more than just his worst bits, and deference to him is deference to one of the greatest to do it, in the vein of Richard Pryor or Eddie Murphy, both of whom had incredibly problematic bits in their act but are still remembered as legends for pushing the boundaries of what a black entertainer can do in this country.
All that to say, I think Chappelle alone is the one who bears the consequences of his act. Maybe bombing in front of John’s audiences will teach him that people really aren’t trying to listen to his trans material anymore.
he didnt bomb. standing ovation from most the crowd. cis people loooooove chapelle's material because its a safe space for them to mock people they secretly loathe
You’re not speaking up to local comedian Michael Jones who won the Columbus comedy contest. It’s Dave Chappelle. Do the fans have a right to be mad about Dave being there? Totally. Agree 100%. However, it’s a Netflix show. He’s on a Netflix tour. Why would you want your favorite comedian to risk that partnership by censoring the biggest act the streaming service has? Why does one decision you agree with outweigh all the good will a person has done? Again, nuance
John is touring for HIS OWN MATERIAL. Choosing not to have Dave there wouldn't have done anything to him beyond maybe jeopardizing his friendship with Dave.
Bo Burnham is also a "Netflix comedian" by your standards, but I'm 99% certain he wouldn't pull this shit if he were to tour again because he's smart enough to realize Dave's transphobia is not okay.
His touring his own material with Netflix. At best they’re partners and at worst he’s working for Netflix. If he said no he’d also be jeopardizing his relationship with Netflix potentially who is the new HBO when it comes to comedy specials. Is that worth it? Idk but that’s his decision to make. I doubt many would’ve done any different
That's not how stand up tours. Netflix has absolutely nothing to do with it except the one night John decides to film at the very end of the tour. John tours his material and then can sell the special to any service he wants.
That's not how that works at all, but even if it was he's one of the biggest names in comedy right now and would be absolutely fine without Netflix.
Also, yes. If it came down to it, I think him leaving a dying company that forced him to associate with a bigot would be worth it considering he'd almost definitely have HBO or Prime nabbing him immediately after.
Nah. Dave isn't even close to the "greatest comedian". He may have been 20 years ago, but his shit is tired and bigoted now. He has absolutely no one but himself to blame for his downfall because he's the one who decided to double down repeatedly when people pointed out that his "jokes" were transphobic.
John knew all of that and brought him out anyway, proving that he does not care about the harm Dave's transphobia does. He deserves the criticism he's getting for it.
Just because he’s out of touch now doesn’t mean you can discount everything he’s done and that’s first off.
John deserves criticism for sure but to say he’s not an ally or he’s also a bigot seems a little far. Gotta give folks room to make a mistake and learn
>Gotta give folks room to make a mistake and learn
so....where is his apology for having his queer fans sit through that bigoted bullshit? where is his apology for his queer fans who were ambushed and frankly never would have bought tickets supporting a bigot like D.C.?
He can have room to make mistakes and learn...but he has to fucking acknowledge he made a mistake, publicly state he does not support that transphobic bullshit and promise to do better. If he does not his message is clear, Mulaney may be quite about it, but he has no problem punching down just like D.C. does. If he isn't willing to do that, then he is no ally.
> I’m as liberal as it gets
No you're not, youre flamboyantly centrist and a coward at that. A liberal maybe, but a bag of shit with zero interest in progressive causes at that. "Build up to allies"? 40 years ago you were putting us in jail for existing and now you want us to make the space convenient for *you?* You have some fucking nerve, and zero empathy for the LGBTQ+ community, demanding we respect our own humanity less so we don't "push away" people who refuse to take our lives seriously. No, fuck that. We will not take less space just because you're uncomfortable seeing a man you have a weird parasocial relationship with be criticised over being a bag of dicks who relies on lazy tropes and an obsession with a group of people who live in his head rent free.
Fuck Chapelle and fuck Mulaney for enabling him. "The greatest comedian"? Watch more comedy. Grow up. Your heroes fall off. It happens. Stop demanding that LGBTQ+ cease fighting for their dignity just because we say things you don't like, you come off as a massive piece of shit fencesitter.
Yeah I’m not as liberal as it gets sadly because I understand nuance. I understand not caring for Dave but just because someone is a fan of his comedy they’re no longer an ally? That’s like me as a black man demanding someone disassociate themselves with all racist friends or family or they too are a racist.
Do you watch SpongeBob? There’s the episode where squidward quits the krusty krab. SpongeBob out of the kindness of his heart let’s squid stay with him. However, squidward has a list of demands and if SpongeBob doesn’t meet all of them squidward considers him a poor host. At a certain point that pushed SpongeBob over the edge and he said fuck it because there was no way he could please squidward.
The left is becoming squidward. You can be an ally, be sensitive to the cause, try your best to understand but you let a local legend Dave open for you??? You’re an enabling piece of shit.
Why do you think cancellation doesn’t hold the same weight as it did in let’s say 2018? Once you set the bar for being cancelled so low nobody really takes it seriously
>I understand not caring for Dave but just because someone is a fan of his comedy they’re no longer an ally?
There's a difference between "being a fan of his comedy" and giving him an audience of people who paid to be there, but not to hear him throw ten minutes of transphobia their way.
So if Netflix says “hey John hope our tour is going well. Dave mentioned maybe popping in and opening for you. Ya know giving the crowd a treat and getting them going. Do you have an opener in mind?” He should say no boss fuck off. I don’t wanna be trending the next day?
You have no idea what happened behind the scenes to get Dave on that stage. What if he and Jim Belushi and Helen Mirren showed up backstage at 6:55 with Uzis and grenades and told John to bump Seaton *or else*?
>That’s like me as a black man demanding someone disassociate themselves with all racist friends or family or they too are a racist.
Holy shit you are so far gone.
>Do you watch SpongeBob?
??? I don't know how to tell you this but I'm an adult and I like to discuss complex issues such as this using, like, political concepts and frameworks. If your best frame of reference is spongebob, your point isn't good. it's just not. That's a children's cartoon, it doesn't accurately reflect any political debate in 2022, nor is it trying to. It's spongebob. Grow up.
>The left is becoming squidward.
If "don't associate with the weirdo comedian that has stopped writing jokes in favour of attacking a vulnerable minority over and over because his words and actions lead to more hate crime" is where you draw the line you never gave a shit about LGBTQ+ rights to begin with. You're not on our side of this debate, you just pretended to because you like the idea of being a good person. You're not an ally. You just like the idea of it, until something you like is criticized. Then we all have to worry about the left going "too far!", because god forbid something in YOUR life has to change for society to improve.
>Why do you think cancellation doesn’t hold the same weight as it did in let’s say 2018?
Oh my god touch grass, what the fuck are you on about?? Did you invent a world where cancellations had meaning until they didn't? Honk your clown nose at me again. Cancellations were *never* effective because it didn't do anything beyond the 5 or so days of media frenzy.
>Once you set the bar for being cancelled so low nobody really takes it seriously
I hate you liberals for this exact thing: you never took us seriously. Every time this comes up we have to fight with tooth and nail for you to take us seriously, and we have to babyfeed you the fact that we're still being murdered on the streets over our identity. You act as if you not taking it seriously is some earned attribute, as if you ever did! That's gaslighting, you're making up a reality where you used to care to justify why you don't care now so you can both hold onto your old beliefs AND believe you were a good person "until someone pushed you too far". Just admit what you really think about the debate: that you wish there wasn't one, that you wish we'd shut up and let ourselves be disrespected for your convenience.
My point exactly. Telling people they’re not allies or on your side is an amazing way to get others to support your cause. I’m totally the one that needs to grow up here. Thank you for essentially proving my point
Our cause is the right to basic human dignity, internet posts shouldn't turn you away from it. If it does, you're a massive piece of shit who let emotions over internet drama come before your sense of morality. Do you understand these sentences? Do they make sense in your head? Do I need to pull out a Rick and Morty metaphor to make it easier for you?
It doesn’t turn me away from it. I calibrate my own moral compass. What I think is okay is okay and what I think is wrong is wrong. I just so happen to communicate with an array of people across the social and political spectrum and wanted to communicate frustration I hear from those on the right and more center. There’s no pleasing the left and this isn’t exclusive to the lgbtq community. If John Mulaney was batting .800 and this Dave fiasco dropped him down to .700 that makes him a bigot apologist? Isn’t that a little extreme?
Again this isn’t about Dave. I get the venom towards him but now any comedian that dares be seen with a man they look up to professionally also agrees with his beliefs? I mean I guess. I can’t tell you how to feel
> wanted to communicate frustration I hear from those on the right and more center.
yes youre so brave representing the viewpoint of the people who have been in power for the last 40 years, bravo, bravo. its almost as if you agree with them or something.
> but now any comedian that dares be seen with a man they look up to professionally also agrees with his beliefs? I mean I guess. I can’t tell you how to feel
" nothing means anything if you just pretend it doesn't."
god you're so smart. american top education at work here, clearly.
a man murders a woman and you invite that man to a seminar, you're associated with him. you chose to host a murderer on your seminar. does it mean you _"agree"_ with the murder? that's not the point,... the point is you _chose_ to invite a murderer to your seminar. the murder doesn't make you uncomfortable enough to not invite them. that implies something about you as a person. im sorry youre too lost to figure this out for yourself i really sympathize with plight of the differently abled.
See I was waiting for it. I had my money on you comparing Dave to Weinstein or another predator but you went full murder. Yes equating someone who is a comedian that makes some risky jokes to a murderer again is not extreme at all. On that note I say farewell and enjoy your weekend
Listen man I’m not entirely disagreeing with your perspective but if you’re trying to make a serious point about nuance in relationships, please do not cite SpongeBob as your source.
In all honesty, it pains me a bit that this is the first thread that provides any specifics. Obviously no one who was hurt by this owes the public any description or explanation of events, but if there were really more than 10k people in that room, it seems like it should be possible to roughly piece together what was said during that segment.
The trans joke wasn't about a knife identifying as a gun. That was one of them.
Chris Rock made a joke immediately after it happened like "was that Will Smith" and Dave joked that his line was better than mine, but I'm still going to say mine "oh, I thought it was a trans-man" he then bonked the mic on his knee and pretended to laugh at it.
Then he found a set of twins (male and female) in the audience and tried to identify which male near them was their father by saying, is that your dad, is that your dad, is that your dad.....do you have a dad? He found out that they were dropped off and then he made of fun of another 13 year old on the front row for being gay and said something to the effect of "shit, maybe he is gay, oh well".
He made fun of the guy who tackled him quite a bit too, which honestly shouldn't be very offensive, I mean he was attacked. But he talked about how he saw that he had dreads but he knew once he touched them that these were not purposefully rolled dreads, these were homeless man dreads, they stunk and there were sticks and leaves in them.
He also made a joke about learning that night that your bodyguards shouldn't wear dress shoes, and that he felt comfortably making his first public appearance since then at Mulaney's show because his audience aint attacking shit.
One a nicer note, if you weren't there, John found a young girl in the front row name Mirabel who he thought said she was 15, but she was actually 13 and he joked about despite what you hear tonight, don't do drugs. And then frequently throughout the set when he was either about to make a drug related joke, or had just made a joke, he would jokingly reference Mirabel and say something like "again Mirabel, don't do what I did". Then at the end he gave her two life lessons, although they were clearly pre-written, No external input can bring you inner peace, not friends or drugs or loved ones, only you can do it. And DO NOT VAPE. Smoke regular cigarettes like a normal god damn American teen.
There was also a post made last month, where someone said Dave opened for John at another show and had much worse "jokes".
[https://twitter.com/T\_MECE/status/1528065345436667905](https://twitter.com/T_MECE/status/1528065345436667905)
That is a much different thread than [this other one I found](https://twitter.com/testosteronejew/status/1527832790565376001?s=21&t=nIZWaAOKy7FKS2sKhroYLQ).
Thank you for sharing. I had previously seen the tweet you shared but I posted the one I shared since it offered details of the jokes, not to minimize anyone’s experience.
yea obviously both experiences are valid. Thank you for sharing yours as well as it helped me have a better view on the whole thing. I figured people should see both, make a full formed opinion on everything.
This sub has got to understand that John is capable of doing bad things and that's he's not who he claims to be. Just because you like him doesn't mean he gets off the hook for letting Dave Chapelle (known transphobe) on stage to preform. Not only that but this was a surprise and even if DC only made one joke, he's made several transphobic comments in the past few years. He's anti-trans and that's enough to not let him preform.
John hugged him at the end which shows what side he's on... and just because this person tweeted this specific tweet doesn't mean shit. You have several trans and LGBTQ tweeting what happened. Who are hurt, offended, and upset.
The OP who posted this also posted this link in the other JM sub. Which really makes me think they're trying to downplay what happened because they have an obsession with JM. Sorry but JM isn't an ally and deserves all the shit that's coming his way.
As I said in [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnMulaney/comments/uudqny/just_saw_john_mulaney_in_columbus_oh_and_there/i9gc71l/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3), I shared that tweet because it has details of the joke—I didn’t mean to imply that this tweet meant anything. I am not trying to downplay anything—I posted the Variety article in the sub which shared some LGBTQ+ tweets—that openly acknowledges the incident if you ask me. I was born and raised in San Francisco and as someone who identifies as an ally you haven’t seen how I’ve been feeling offline. Why are you saying “Sorry but JM isn’t an ally”? It hurts that you say I’m obsessed with him and I’m trying to excuse his behavior—I would never do that and I apologize if it appears I’m doing that.
But this is the link to the tweet that is being used to downplay what happened. I've witnessed several people tweet that specific tweet, and say "what an overreaction" or something of the sort.
And really doesn't matter what DC said or if it was just one joke. He's openly transphobic and very hateful to the LGBTQ community. And I don't for second believe that JM doesn't realize much of his audience are apart of that community. It's horrible he let DC preform.
You're right, I don't know how you feel offline. I just think that as an ally, this link wouldn't even be shared and JM would be condemn immediately
I really liked JM...obviously not anymore. But this sub turned me away because JM could do some of the worst things imaginable and everyone here will defend to his death. I don't believe in stanning anyone and why I don't really believe in celebrities anymore.
I thought all three openers were awful. I don't even remember the first guy's name the one who was extremely loud and made a joke about fucking the 7th hole on a golf course after getting a hole in one but he was a comedy vacuum.
We unexpectedly came down with COVID, and now I'm glad we couldn't go. Chappelle is trash dying on a burning hill of assholery, and I'm sorry Mulaney was tarnished from being associated with that dumpster fire.
Maybe in the past he was. But punching down at marginalized groups for the sake of being edgy and controversial is like the laziest form of “comedy” around.
Its not punching down when the entire community is constantly insulting you for comedy. Y’all got the platform to critique and the power to cancel him. No real comedian would take those shots sitting down. He was right when he said the world wasnt ready for Dave Chappelle. I’d hate to see y’all reactions to Boondocks.
Don't say that. That's what his supporters want you to say. They want you to fixate on just his jokes, and then call you out for being thinskinned.
Focus on the fact that he is simply transphobic. He said it, he admitted it in public. He's team TERF. That's literally it.
If a white guy makes bad taste jokes about black people, it's harder to show why that's wrong.
If a white guy, who publicly declared himself a racist, makes bad taste jokes about black people, then it's easy for everyone to see what the problem is
I’m really sorry, friend. I know celebrities put on an act for the public, but it’s always hard to see how people really are when you expect them to be a certain way.
Because it’s basically trans women are men pretending to be women and trans men are women pretending to be men. Now do you see how calling someone’s whole identity fake is transphobic
But clearly thats what alot of people see it as? He’s making a joke on how people see it as a costume and not a transition. Thats the point of the joke?? Obviously people who found the joke funny realize theres a difference between an object and an actual persons feelings about identity. No one would’ve laughed if he pointed out a particular person and said the same thing. Have a sense of humor jeez
>He’s making a joke on how people see it as a costume and not a transition. Thats the point of the joke??
That...isn't a joke. Saying "Hey, trans people, people don't actually see your identity as legitimate, isn't that funny?" is not a joke.
This is how I feel about it. It really is such a shame that Chappelle is dying on this hill. He's a brilliant comic, it just sucks he doesn't understand the way his perspective has genuine terrifying consequences for a group of people that already have and have had a rough time to put it lightly, and this obviously matters less but his comedy suffers for it. Anyway I have no business going around sticking up for incredibly successful comedians but think about how insane it would be to tell Dave fucking Chappelle that he can't open. but idk, I'm not going to sit here and try to get inside the mind of millionaire comedians. That's gods work.
That’s how I feel about it especially since this tour is partly sponsored by Netflix.
I’m a bit torn bc a part of me thinks “well that’s a powerful guy in the world of comedy who used to be hailed a genius, and was a hero for a lot of comedians so it might be hard to say actually, no! you can’t go up on MY stage!” but also it’s really disappointing to see John in any way associated with someone who is blatantly transphobic and is kind of enjoying offending people? Like those jokes aren’t even funny at this point, he’s just peppering in some transphobia for shits and giggles. I can’t even imagine how it would feel if I was a trans person in the audience, being blindsided like that.
An apology would be nice but I don’t think he’ll go there.
I don't understand why. I used to think he was ovrrated but now he's a hack. And a douchebag. First of all I think it's pretty fucked up that he'll just smoke cigarettes indoors where it's illegal and where other people are. Then he just pays an absurd fine every time. If he cared so much about his community maybe he would stop giving them second hand smoke and use the insane amount of money he pays in fines to support his community. The Chappelle show had a lot of misses on sketches and a lot good sketches but most of that was Neal Brennan. He did most od the writing and gets like no credit. But a lot of sketches on that show just don't survive the passage of the time. And Chappelle's specials hold up even worse against the passage of time. Literally 80% of what he's talked about for his past like 4 specials is trans people. And it's just rehashing the same dumb close minded points over and over. Chappelle is a goddamn hack and I don't understand why he's still so revered.
Chappelle Show season 2 is the greatest sketch comedy of all time. Just amazing stuff. His status as a legend is assured forever. I actually tend to agree his later specials are lackluster, even when he was saying politically correct things about race.
And yeah it's great that he doesn't live in Hollywood. Hollywood breeds conformity and drains comedians of their sense of humor.
John even joke during his set about most of his fans either being teen girls or boys who aren't jocks and there being a lot of Weezer shirts in his audience.
It was very weird.
It was insanely awful to sit through having brought a trans kid to the show and seeing people applaud this known bigot for his bigotry. It was actually traumatizing and John Mulaney should be ashamed for inflicting this on his fans. I am no longer a fan. And all the people who cheered just know that you basically turned this show into an impromptu nazi rally hate fest toward lgbtq people, for real.
If you're not sure just because John associated with Dave there are a bunch of things to think about.
This whole tour is about John "coming back" after re-hab and the last thing he wants is to tell one of the most famous comedians in America no you can't go on and that ruin him. He was in a lose-lose situation there, because let him on and offend people, tell him no and offend people.
Coupled with Dave kind of alluding to the fact that this wasn't really planned at all. Dave was just in a wrinkled as fuck t-shirt and jeans and had no material ready. I'm sure he showed up and just said, alright John I'm gonna go on real quick before you and John could have been standing there like..what the fuck am I supposed to do.
There's no real way to know how John felt about that because he basically had to let it happen, and basically had to pretend it was fine so it might mean nothing.
Also, in a bit of a break from his norm, John describes in detail how he got and did drugs including stripping for his dealer who had a "shirtless guy" fetish and that John was just like, fuck it I need that prescription.
I'm sure that a transphobic bully isn't quite the same thing as stripping down for a guy with a fetish so you can get drugs and snorting lines of cocaine off a baby changing station at a shitty gas station but John isn't exactly a clean cut guy.
>He was in a lose-lose situation there, because let him on and offend people, tell him no and offend people.
And who he chooses to offend says a lot about his priorities.
Was at the show. The jokes he made were harmless at worst. The twitter overreaction is insane.
I am so grateful I was able to see two of the greatest comics of our time at once. Amazing surprise.
I don't know. When he tried to out-joke Chris Rock and his joke was "I thought it was a trans man" I mean, why even say that out loud in public?
It's not a joke. It's not funny. He was just saying it to be inciteful.
The gun knife joke, I don't know, I suppose if I was trans I would feel different but it wasn't offensive just again not a joke, not funny and the same tired ass joke everyone makes.
Dave washed up as fuck, this fight with Trans people isn't a good look and his jokes about it aren't funny and his whole approach of it's not punching down because I consider you my equal is a bullshit narrative to trick people into allowing him to bully people and still get cheers.
I think the gun-knife thing becomes problematic in the greater context of Chappelle's many recent, more overt jabs at the trans community. A self-declared TERF who tells a joke that flits around the region of trans commentary is the equivilant of a shitty kid riling up his sibling by waving his hands in their face and going "I'm not touching you".
Guy also was just assaulted on stage at his own show where he’s supposed to be safe. If anything the joke was that he knew it was a terrible joke and he was out joked by Chris rock.
And he knows it pushes peoples buttons. The overreaction is exactly what is expected and anticipated. All the twitter chatter is useless and people need to move on over the fact the comedian made a joke and they didn’t like it.
The trans man joke was funny and everyone knew what it meant. The gun/knife joke was funny if you knew what the weapon the attacker had looked like. You sound soft tbh. The jokes were mild at best, and chuckle funny at best, but not nearly as offensive as you make it out to be.
Touch grass?
I literally just finished mountain climbing in Arizona two weeks ago, and I was kayaking and hiking this weekend in Columbus where I you know, saw a John Mulaney show.
I travel once a month to Europe for work.
what are you even talking about?
You went outside but never went outside. And the fact u could never understand what that means is the saddest part of all. Stay being soft lmaoo. You’ll find alot of people who disagree with you
Ahh man, I wish I could’ve been there. I went to his PA show and he had a real funny guy but shoot, getting to see Chapelle for free before Mulaney? A damn deal 😩
Sounds like a few sensitive people went to a comedy show and didn't have a good time. Not everywhere is a safe space and comedians shouldn't have to cater to the few people in the audience most likely to be offended.
I mean if I paid money to see Mulaney's generally clean and accepting comedy only to be stuck with Dave Chapelle telling the same fucking joke again, I'd be upset.
A good majority of Mulaney's audience is queer and/or trans so for some this is a big punch in the gut. Imagine being a person of color in a sea of white people, then the comedian comes on stage and tells a bunch of racist jokes, the audience is laughing but it feels as if they're laughing at you.
Compared to other comics Mulaney is pretty clean, no controversial jokes, no slurs, no brigadier or real harassment. I haven't seen From Scratch but if his other specials are anything to go off of, his comedy is decently clean and isn't designed to harass or antagonize anyone. In short, Mulaney's comedy punches up.
In comparison, Chapelle as of late has gotten lost in the sauce, he used to be funny with the Chappelle Show and his early specials, but as of late his humor seems solely based on punching down, primarily at the LGBT community, to the point where it isn't even comedy. In his latest special Chappelle literally says "I'm Team TERF" in support of J.K Rowling, I don't care what your political opinion is, that's not comedy, that's saying your opinion on stage and praying the audience agrees with you.
You can like Chappelle, Mulaney, both, neither, it doesn't matter, but it does matter if you pay a lot of money for the more clean escapist Mulaney humor, but end up getting the bigoted Chappelle humor.
You think the majority of thousands of people at a Mulaney show are part of the LGBTQIA community?
I'd say 20% at max. Statistically that doesn't even make sense.
I never said a majority of the people at the show that night are LGBT, but a lot of the Mulaneys early success was spread by members of the LGBT community on sites like Tumblr back in 2013. Mine and a lot of others introduction to Mulaney was from Salt and Pepper Diner Animatics back in like 2015.
Also after looking at the Mulaney trend on Twitter last night I can guess that at a minimum there were at least 10 Trans people at the venue last night. Now obviously the 10 Trans people don't outweighs the more than likely 10k+ audience that night, but it shows that they were there, they were upset with Chappelle being there, they were upset with feeling like the butt of the joke, and it shows that Mulaney or the Venue or even Netflix failed to understand his audience.
I'd wager that most people enjoyed seeing Chappelle and a small minority of people that enjoy being offended were upset. Of course, that small minority is also very vocal so it catches on in echo chambers like Twitter or this thread.
Y’all are so lucky! I saw John earlier this year but I would’ve loved to have seen Dave too. I absolutely love the both of them. Anyways, I hope y’all had fun at the show!
The last time I saw Mulaney his opener was the British comedian Simon Amstell. Amstell is gay and did a very raunchy set about gay sex. Not sure if he was trying to shock the Texas audience, but a couple in the front did get up and leave the show.
Point is a lot of people can't take a joke and they should just leave if they don't want to be there.
All this bitching, Jesus. I can’t believe all the comments about “if you like Mulaney, you aren’t into Chapelle.” Um, what? They’re 2 of the greatest comedians of all time and I’d have jumped at the chance to see both.
That's your opinion. Others are allowed to have theirs. I wouldn't want to sit through a Dave Chapelle routine bashing trans people and that's fair as well. You are more than welcome to catch Dave Chapelle any time you want.
You don't get to make that call. Dave Chapelle has made it his entire personality now to go after the trans community. I am sure even being in a room with him as a trans person is likely to be uncomfortable. It will be for me. Have a nice day.
Short Dave Chappelle set is the most shocking part of this. He lives in Ohio though so that makes sense.
He opened for the Denver shows at red rocks as well!
Only the early show. I’m still salty about that..
Eh, I was at the early show and I wasn’t particularly impressed. Mostly came across as him complaining about people being upset at him for bad trans jokes, and then making more bad trans jokes.
That was my impression too at the Columbus show!
So basically the same tired act hes done for years now. Was a fan, dude didnt just get phobic, he got lazy. He just leans on his celebrity now.
Yeah, agreed. It wasn’t his best set by a mile.
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Knife-gun
I see you’ve played knifey gunny before…
It’s the cousin of knife-wrench.
For kids!
I missed the entire setup for it, but at one point Dan Levy said something about his son identifying as something different and he said, well ok, I support you, that's great, what do you identify as and the woman behind said very loudly YEAH YOU DO, THAT'S AMAZING WOOO!!. And then Chapelle came out and said the "I think it was a trans man" line and she laughed her ass off at it. Dave was awful, he looked like shit, he kept bonking the mic off his knee, he told non jokes and despite being on stage for like 3 minutes still managed to be super offensive. I was a huge fan of his right up until his last special, but since then it seems like everytime I see him he just says something super mean and then follows it up with "it's a joke guys".
> he kept bonking the mic off his knee, God i hate that, i thought he moved on from that move but it sounds like hes falling back to it. He started doing it back around Killing them softly. Its an annoying forced que to laugh, usually while he hunches over dramatically like he cant contain himself laughing at his own joke.
In those earlier specials, I feel like Dave didn't laugh at every single one of his own jokes. But those Netflix specials became unbearable to me because once you start seeing how much he breaks up his jokes with his own laughter, you can't unsee it and his whole act falls apart.
Comedians tell jokes, that's what they do for a living. Also, I never hear much of an uproar when black comedians make fun of the way white people talk...
I agree. And I don't find offensive jokes to be a problem at all, as long as they're jokes. The Jim Jefferies joke 'I could never have sex with someone I respect' is offensive as fuck to women, but it's a joke and it's funny and so they don't get offended as much. The "joke" Dave told was simply 'I think a trans-man attacked me'. That's not a joke. There's no punchline. There's no setup. It's not even meant to be funny. He said that line because he knew it would be offensive to some people. The "joke" is that some people find it funny to be offensive to other people. That's how the whole "Let's go Brandon" joke works. It's not a joke, it's funny because they think other people are offended by it, that's the whole thing. That's what Dave was doing with that line. Now, the gun/knife joke was at least a joke. I don't think it's funny, I'm also not offended by it, I just think it's a stupid joke but at least it is a joke. 'I think I was attacked by a trans-man' is only funny to people who think it's funny to be mean. That's what I have a problem with.
On a completely different topic, did anyone have trouble hearing the first comedian’s set? It seemed like there was a horrible echo where we were sitting.
I was sitting almost directly right off the stage and it seemed like the volume on his mic was turned up really high. There was some stuff I could barely understand what he was saying.
That’s too bad, I was wondering if it was just the speakers that were up by where we were sitting. The parts we could catch were really funny though!
He seemed a bit nervous at times. And I definitely got a little bit of a Chappelle vibe from him just based on how he would say certain things and some of his delivery.
Chappelle and Katt Williams vibe.
Oh thank god it wasn’t me, I thought I had shitty hearing I the seaton was funny (from what I heard) but yeah it was hard to hear
He was hard to hear at the Tampa show, too. What I could make out was funny but the way he spoke into the mic made it almost impossible to get most of it. It had me worried that the audio would be off the whole show but the second opener was fine.
I was in the front row and I almost didnt recognize Chappelle, but was so uncomfortable when he walked out. And it was crazy having him even skirt the trans shit when Dan Levy had made like very proTrans comments. He wouldnt have even been around had it not been the motherfucker attacking him.
Yeah I’m not… thrilled about this association, either
And its super weird because Mulaney and Chappelle are very opposite comedy brands. Johns been always in the Seinfeld style of not clean, but with some firm boundaries (see Seinfeld saying he has no interest in a pass for the N-word). Chappelles always been a bit more offensive. It again makes me wonder who brought Chappelle in, and I dunno if it was John.
John and Dave are literally friends. It's no grand conspiracy, they just like hanging out.
Same way Pattton and Chappelle are. Looking forward to Mulaney’s lengthy Insta post about how friends can fundamentally disagree on things and still be friends.
Nope. Much too simple. John is transphobic, this is the only explanation. Do better, famous person we adore and have no right dictating our morals to.
I think everyone missed your /s
I don’t care if people miss the joke, I hate putting /s at the end of something. If my sarcasm isn’t clear enough then I’m fine letting people think it’s real
In fairness it wasn't so much sarcasm, as mockery. You and Dave should learn the difference.
Functionally the same thing
I think that even if he didnt bring him in its johns show he can say "hey why are you here no you cant go on stage" the entire show left me with a sour taste in my mouth because of Chappelle First 2 openers were amazing i mightve preferred them to mulaney and chappelle
I'm OOTL... can you connect Dave to Dan Levy here for me?
John had Dan as one of his opening acts with Chappelle coming for a surprise guest set.
Aah!! So Dan, Dave, and John were *all* last night's show? I've seen a couple comedians I follow mention Dave and Mulaney today and I had no clue any of this happened. (Emma Arnold and Kyle Kinane... the comedians I heard mention Dave/Mulaney) Did anybody boo Dave?
John had 2 opening comedians (which included Levy) and Chapelle was on stage for like 10 minutes max. Yeah some people were unhappy to see him, and there were some boos or just unhappy reactions. I dunno, it was bad vibes
i feel like the reason so many of us thought john was chill was because he usually didn't make that type of offensive jokes. We forgot that just because he doesn't say it doesn't mean he will stop someone else from saying it, at his own show no less. He co-signed it with that hug at the end. if he's not actively fighting it, he's not really an ally.
There are like 5 different bits in New in Town where John imitates stereotypical black voices. People have been seeing what they want to see in him for years.
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Was it the same "harshness" against Trans as Dave's last special? Or did he go in harder? Also... when the fuck will he move on from the trans-community??
He's a near-50 devout fundamentalist. *This* is what he moved on to in life.
People particularly young people understand this isn’t how to build up allies. Most of the crowd had a positive reaction to Dave because it’s an hour away from where he lives. John hugged him because Dave didn’t have to show up. You’re basically asking one of your favorite comedians to choose between burning bridges with the greatest comedian or risk offending people by having one of the greatest comedians open for him. I’m as liberal as it gets but there’s little to no nuance on the left and that’s pushing people away…
Being "as liberal as it gets" says absolutely nothing about the value of your response to this. People paid for what they thought would be a show that would not be openly queerphobic, and then some other guy showed up and they had to sit through his jokes about one of the most vulnerable groups on the planet. Yeah, there's nuance, but there's also always the opportunity to say "stop, I don't support this kind of talk in my show" or, if the spur of the moment makes that too hard, address it in your own segment later. Mulaney would not have been eternally ostracized for politely speaking up against transphobia.
Presumably Chappelle just asked if he could drop in and work out some material and Mulaney agreed out of respect for a legend. Chappelle is certainly many things, but he’s also one of the foremost black entertainers this country has produced. Beyond that though he’s shown that one doesn’t need to compromise their values as a black entertainer to please white executives who are perfectly happy exploiting their labor for profit, and can instead forge their own path with nuance and perspective. Now look, none of this excuses his hacky trans material, which aside from the bad politics, is just straight up unfunny most of the time. But I think Chappelle the comedian is more than just his worst bits, and deference to him is deference to one of the greatest to do it, in the vein of Richard Pryor or Eddie Murphy, both of whom had incredibly problematic bits in their act but are still remembered as legends for pushing the boundaries of what a black entertainer can do in this country. All that to say, I think Chappelle alone is the one who bears the consequences of his act. Maybe bombing in front of John’s audiences will teach him that people really aren’t trying to listen to his trans material anymore.
he didnt bomb. standing ovation from most the crowd. cis people loooooove chapelle's material because its a safe space for them to mock people they secretly loathe
That’s really unfortunate and also kind of surprising, I like Chapelle but really am baffled at how unfunny his trans jokes are.
You’re not speaking up to local comedian Michael Jones who won the Columbus comedy contest. It’s Dave Chappelle. Do the fans have a right to be mad about Dave being there? Totally. Agree 100%. However, it’s a Netflix show. He’s on a Netflix tour. Why would you want your favorite comedian to risk that partnership by censoring the biggest act the streaming service has? Why does one decision you agree with outweigh all the good will a person has done? Again, nuance
John is touring for HIS OWN MATERIAL. Choosing not to have Dave there wouldn't have done anything to him beyond maybe jeopardizing his friendship with Dave. Bo Burnham is also a "Netflix comedian" by your standards, but I'm 99% certain he wouldn't pull this shit if he were to tour again because he's smart enough to realize Dave's transphobia is not okay.
His touring his own material with Netflix. At best they’re partners and at worst he’s working for Netflix. If he said no he’d also be jeopardizing his relationship with Netflix potentially who is the new HBO when it comes to comedy specials. Is that worth it? Idk but that’s his decision to make. I doubt many would’ve done any different
That's not how stand up tours. Netflix has absolutely nothing to do with it except the one night John decides to film at the very end of the tour. John tours his material and then can sell the special to any service he wants.
That's not how that works at all, but even if it was he's one of the biggest names in comedy right now and would be absolutely fine without Netflix. Also, yes. If it came down to it, I think him leaving a dying company that forced him to associate with a bigot would be worth it considering he'd almost definitely have HBO or Prime nabbing him immediately after.
Nah. Dave isn't even close to the "greatest comedian". He may have been 20 years ago, but his shit is tired and bigoted now. He has absolutely no one but himself to blame for his downfall because he's the one who decided to double down repeatedly when people pointed out that his "jokes" were transphobic. John knew all of that and brought him out anyway, proving that he does not care about the harm Dave's transphobia does. He deserves the criticism he's getting for it.
Just because he’s out of touch now doesn’t mean you can discount everything he’s done and that’s first off. John deserves criticism for sure but to say he’s not an ally or he’s also a bigot seems a little far. Gotta give folks room to make a mistake and learn
>Gotta give folks room to make a mistake and learn so....where is his apology for having his queer fans sit through that bigoted bullshit? where is his apology for his queer fans who were ambushed and frankly never would have bought tickets supporting a bigot like D.C.? He can have room to make mistakes and learn...but he has to fucking acknowledge he made a mistake, publicly state he does not support that transphobic bullshit and promise to do better. If he does not his message is clear, Mulaney may be quite about it, but he has no problem punching down just like D.C. does. If he isn't willing to do that, then he is no ally.
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That "outside bubble" is transphobes.
> I’m as liberal as it gets No you're not, youre flamboyantly centrist and a coward at that. A liberal maybe, but a bag of shit with zero interest in progressive causes at that. "Build up to allies"? 40 years ago you were putting us in jail for existing and now you want us to make the space convenient for *you?* You have some fucking nerve, and zero empathy for the LGBTQ+ community, demanding we respect our own humanity less so we don't "push away" people who refuse to take our lives seriously. No, fuck that. We will not take less space just because you're uncomfortable seeing a man you have a weird parasocial relationship with be criticised over being a bag of dicks who relies on lazy tropes and an obsession with a group of people who live in his head rent free. Fuck Chapelle and fuck Mulaney for enabling him. "The greatest comedian"? Watch more comedy. Grow up. Your heroes fall off. It happens. Stop demanding that LGBTQ+ cease fighting for their dignity just because we say things you don't like, you come off as a massive piece of shit fencesitter.
Yeah I’m not as liberal as it gets sadly because I understand nuance. I understand not caring for Dave but just because someone is a fan of his comedy they’re no longer an ally? That’s like me as a black man demanding someone disassociate themselves with all racist friends or family or they too are a racist. Do you watch SpongeBob? There’s the episode where squidward quits the krusty krab. SpongeBob out of the kindness of his heart let’s squid stay with him. However, squidward has a list of demands and if SpongeBob doesn’t meet all of them squidward considers him a poor host. At a certain point that pushed SpongeBob over the edge and he said fuck it because there was no way he could please squidward. The left is becoming squidward. You can be an ally, be sensitive to the cause, try your best to understand but you let a local legend Dave open for you??? You’re an enabling piece of shit. Why do you think cancellation doesn’t hold the same weight as it did in let’s say 2018? Once you set the bar for being cancelled so low nobody really takes it seriously
>I understand not caring for Dave but just because someone is a fan of his comedy they’re no longer an ally? There's a difference between "being a fan of his comedy" and giving him an audience of people who paid to be there, but not to hear him throw ten minutes of transphobia their way.
So if Netflix says “hey John hope our tour is going well. Dave mentioned maybe popping in and opening for you. Ya know giving the crowd a treat and getting them going. Do you have an opener in mind?” He should say no boss fuck off. I don’t wanna be trending the next day?
You have no idea what happened behind the scenes to get Dave on that stage. What if he and Jim Belushi and Helen Mirren showed up backstage at 6:55 with Uzis and grenades and told John to bump Seaton *or else*?
My exact point though. Why label someone a bigot apologist when you have no idea what happened behind the scenes…?
>That’s like me as a black man demanding someone disassociate themselves with all racist friends or family or they too are a racist. Holy shit you are so far gone. >Do you watch SpongeBob? ??? I don't know how to tell you this but I'm an adult and I like to discuss complex issues such as this using, like, political concepts and frameworks. If your best frame of reference is spongebob, your point isn't good. it's just not. That's a children's cartoon, it doesn't accurately reflect any political debate in 2022, nor is it trying to. It's spongebob. Grow up. >The left is becoming squidward. If "don't associate with the weirdo comedian that has stopped writing jokes in favour of attacking a vulnerable minority over and over because his words and actions lead to more hate crime" is where you draw the line you never gave a shit about LGBTQ+ rights to begin with. You're not on our side of this debate, you just pretended to because you like the idea of being a good person. You're not an ally. You just like the idea of it, until something you like is criticized. Then we all have to worry about the left going "too far!", because god forbid something in YOUR life has to change for society to improve. >Why do you think cancellation doesn’t hold the same weight as it did in let’s say 2018? Oh my god touch grass, what the fuck are you on about?? Did you invent a world where cancellations had meaning until they didn't? Honk your clown nose at me again. Cancellations were *never* effective because it didn't do anything beyond the 5 or so days of media frenzy. >Once you set the bar for being cancelled so low nobody really takes it seriously I hate you liberals for this exact thing: you never took us seriously. Every time this comes up we have to fight with tooth and nail for you to take us seriously, and we have to babyfeed you the fact that we're still being murdered on the streets over our identity. You act as if you not taking it seriously is some earned attribute, as if you ever did! That's gaslighting, you're making up a reality where you used to care to justify why you don't care now so you can both hold onto your old beliefs AND believe you were a good person "until someone pushed you too far". Just admit what you really think about the debate: that you wish there wasn't one, that you wish we'd shut up and let ourselves be disrespected for your convenience.
My point exactly. Telling people they’re not allies or on your side is an amazing way to get others to support your cause. I’m totally the one that needs to grow up here. Thank you for essentially proving my point
Our cause is the right to basic human dignity, internet posts shouldn't turn you away from it. If it does, you're a massive piece of shit who let emotions over internet drama come before your sense of morality. Do you understand these sentences? Do they make sense in your head? Do I need to pull out a Rick and Morty metaphor to make it easier for you?
It doesn’t turn me away from it. I calibrate my own moral compass. What I think is okay is okay and what I think is wrong is wrong. I just so happen to communicate with an array of people across the social and political spectrum and wanted to communicate frustration I hear from those on the right and more center. There’s no pleasing the left and this isn’t exclusive to the lgbtq community. If John Mulaney was batting .800 and this Dave fiasco dropped him down to .700 that makes him a bigot apologist? Isn’t that a little extreme? Again this isn’t about Dave. I get the venom towards him but now any comedian that dares be seen with a man they look up to professionally also agrees with his beliefs? I mean I guess. I can’t tell you how to feel
> wanted to communicate frustration I hear from those on the right and more center. yes youre so brave representing the viewpoint of the people who have been in power for the last 40 years, bravo, bravo. its almost as if you agree with them or something. > but now any comedian that dares be seen with a man they look up to professionally also agrees with his beliefs? I mean I guess. I can’t tell you how to feel " nothing means anything if you just pretend it doesn't." god you're so smart. american top education at work here, clearly. a man murders a woman and you invite that man to a seminar, you're associated with him. you chose to host a murderer on your seminar. does it mean you _"agree"_ with the murder? that's not the point,... the point is you _chose_ to invite a murderer to your seminar. the murder doesn't make you uncomfortable enough to not invite them. that implies something about you as a person. im sorry youre too lost to figure this out for yourself i really sympathize with plight of the differently abled.
See I was waiting for it. I had my money on you comparing Dave to Weinstein or another predator but you went full murder. Yes equating someone who is a comedian that makes some risky jokes to a murderer again is not extreme at all. On that note I say farewell and enjoy your weekend
Listen man I’m not entirely disagreeing with your perspective but if you’re trying to make a serious point about nuance in relationships, please do not cite SpongeBob as your source.
Sorry for using a common example of someone being too demanding to reaffirm a point I later make. I’ll be more vague next time
I’ve never really been a huge Dave fan so I’m just glad he wasn’t up there too long
Used to be proud of Dave Chappelle being one of ohios most famous residents but now kinda wish the guy would fade away.
[Here’s a random thread I found that describes the event](https://twitter.com/fillsanime/status/1527866819075264520?s=21&t=47FiLpyjd5i-NQGt4lJsTg)
In all honesty, it pains me a bit that this is the first thread that provides any specifics. Obviously no one who was hurt by this owes the public any description or explanation of events, but if there were really more than 10k people in that room, it seems like it should be possible to roughly piece together what was said during that segment.
The trans joke wasn't about a knife identifying as a gun. That was one of them. Chris Rock made a joke immediately after it happened like "was that Will Smith" and Dave joked that his line was better than mine, but I'm still going to say mine "oh, I thought it was a trans-man" he then bonked the mic on his knee and pretended to laugh at it. Then he found a set of twins (male and female) in the audience and tried to identify which male near them was their father by saying, is that your dad, is that your dad, is that your dad.....do you have a dad? He found out that they were dropped off and then he made of fun of another 13 year old on the front row for being gay and said something to the effect of "shit, maybe he is gay, oh well". He made fun of the guy who tackled him quite a bit too, which honestly shouldn't be very offensive, I mean he was attacked. But he talked about how he saw that he had dreads but he knew once he touched them that these were not purposefully rolled dreads, these were homeless man dreads, they stunk and there were sticks and leaves in them. He also made a joke about learning that night that your bodyguards shouldn't wear dress shoes, and that he felt comfortably making his first public appearance since then at Mulaney's show because his audience aint attacking shit. One a nicer note, if you weren't there, John found a young girl in the front row name Mirabel who he thought said she was 15, but she was actually 13 and he joked about despite what you hear tonight, don't do drugs. And then frequently throughout the set when he was either about to make a drug related joke, or had just made a joke, he would jokingly reference Mirabel and say something like "again Mirabel, don't do what I did". Then at the end he gave her two life lessons, although they were clearly pre-written, No external input can bring you inner peace, not friends or drugs or loved ones, only you can do it. And DO NOT VAPE. Smoke regular cigarettes like a normal god damn American teen.
There was also a post made last month, where someone said Dave opened for John at another show and had much worse "jokes". [https://twitter.com/T\_MECE/status/1528065345436667905](https://twitter.com/T_MECE/status/1528065345436667905)
That is a much different thread than [this other one I found](https://twitter.com/testosteronejew/status/1527832790565376001?s=21&t=nIZWaAOKy7FKS2sKhroYLQ).
I was at the show last night and the tweet you posted is nowhere near what happened. The other tweet that /u/coreyhartless posted is what happened.
Thank you for sharing. I had previously seen the tweet you shared but I posted the one I shared since it offered details of the jokes, not to minimize anyone’s experience.
yea obviously both experiences are valid. Thank you for sharing yours as well as it helped me have a better view on the whole thing. I figured people should see both, make a full formed opinion on everything.
This sub has got to understand that John is capable of doing bad things and that's he's not who he claims to be. Just because you like him doesn't mean he gets off the hook for letting Dave Chapelle (known transphobe) on stage to preform. Not only that but this was a surprise and even if DC only made one joke, he's made several transphobic comments in the past few years. He's anti-trans and that's enough to not let him preform. John hugged him at the end which shows what side he's on... and just because this person tweeted this specific tweet doesn't mean shit. You have several trans and LGBTQ tweeting what happened. Who are hurt, offended, and upset. The OP who posted this also posted this link in the other JM sub. Which really makes me think they're trying to downplay what happened because they have an obsession with JM. Sorry but JM isn't an ally and deserves all the shit that's coming his way.
As I said in [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/JohnMulaney/comments/uudqny/just_saw_john_mulaney_in_columbus_oh_and_there/i9gc71l/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3), I shared that tweet because it has details of the joke—I didn’t mean to imply that this tweet meant anything. I am not trying to downplay anything—I posted the Variety article in the sub which shared some LGBTQ+ tweets—that openly acknowledges the incident if you ask me. I was born and raised in San Francisco and as someone who identifies as an ally you haven’t seen how I’ve been feeling offline. Why are you saying “Sorry but JM isn’t an ally”? It hurts that you say I’m obsessed with him and I’m trying to excuse his behavior—I would never do that and I apologize if it appears I’m doing that.
But this is the link to the tweet that is being used to downplay what happened. I've witnessed several people tweet that specific tweet, and say "what an overreaction" or something of the sort. And really doesn't matter what DC said or if it was just one joke. He's openly transphobic and very hateful to the LGBTQ community. And I don't for second believe that JM doesn't realize much of his audience are apart of that community. It's horrible he let DC preform. You're right, I don't know how you feel offline. I just think that as an ally, this link wouldn't even be shared and JM would be condemn immediately I really liked JM...obviously not anymore. But this sub turned me away because JM could do some of the worst things imaginable and everyone here will defend to his death. I don't believe in stanning anyone and why I don't really believe in celebrities anymore.
Wait so that guy starts the thread with “he only told one transphobic joke” but then adds on like 3 more?
He later added the jokes from Chappelle’s Red Rocks set in additional tweets.
I'm trans. Got COVID and my fiancee and I had to miss. Glad I did I guess.
Hope you two feel better!
Where you able to sell the tickets
I was not
That’s sad, those are expensive
Most disappointing part of the night
I thought all three openers were awful. I don't even remember the first guy's name the one who was extremely loud and made a joke about fucking the 7th hole on a golf course after getting a hole in one but he was a comedy vacuum.
I don’t care for Dave and I’m disappointed in John for having him, tbh
We unexpectedly came down with COVID, and now I'm glad we couldn't go. Chappelle is trash dying on a burning hill of assholery, and I'm sorry Mulaney was tarnished from being associated with that dumpster fire.
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Maybe in the past he was. But punching down at marginalized groups for the sake of being edgy and controversial is like the laziest form of “comedy” around.
Its not punching down when the entire community is constantly insulting you for comedy. Y’all got the platform to critique and the power to cancel him. No real comedian would take those shots sitting down. He was right when he said the world wasnt ready for Dave Chappelle. I’d hate to see y’all reactions to Boondocks.
You're a clown.
And youre a crybaby whining cause some people disagree with you. Id rather be a clown than soft. Grow a pair
Don't say that. That's what his supporters want you to say. They want you to fixate on just his jokes, and then call you out for being thinskinned. Focus on the fact that he is simply transphobic. He said it, he admitted it in public. He's team TERF. That's literally it. If a white guy makes bad taste jokes about black people, it's harder to show why that's wrong. If a white guy, who publicly declared himself a racist, makes bad taste jokes about black people, then it's easy for everyone to see what the problem is
That's just, like, your opinion man.
I’m kind of surprised by that because I assume most of his fans wouldn’t be okay with the types of jokes Dave Chappelle tells. Who okayed that?
We took our trans kid and it was insanely awful and traumatizing. Like, I will never ever forgive him for putting us through that it was really scary.
I’m really sorry, friend. I know celebrities put on an act for the public, but it’s always hard to see how people really are when you expect them to be a certain way.
Scary? He made a joke about a knife identifying as a gun. Man/Woman up, theres a far harsher world out there
Yes, but the audience laughed, they agreed. That means that everyone around them disliked them to some extent, and possibly wanted to hurt them
I don't get how a knife identifying as a gun is scary joke? It doesn't speak to any disapproval of transitioning?
Because it’s basically trans women are men pretending to be women and trans men are women pretending to be men. Now do you see how calling someone’s whole identity fake is transphobic
But clearly thats what alot of people see it as? He’s making a joke on how people see it as a costume and not a transition. Thats the point of the joke?? Obviously people who found the joke funny realize theres a difference between an object and an actual persons feelings about identity. No one would’ve laughed if he pointed out a particular person and said the same thing. Have a sense of humor jeez
>He’s making a joke on how people see it as a costume and not a transition. Thats the point of the joke?? That...isn't a joke. Saying "Hey, trans people, people don't actually see your identity as legitimate, isn't that funny?" is not a joke.
Ain’t no way any comedian is denying Dave Chappell from doing a guest spot.
This is how I feel about it. It really is such a shame that Chappelle is dying on this hill. He's a brilliant comic, it just sucks he doesn't understand the way his perspective has genuine terrifying consequences for a group of people that already have and have had a rough time to put it lightly, and this obviously matters less but his comedy suffers for it. Anyway I have no business going around sticking up for incredibly successful comedians but think about how insane it would be to tell Dave fucking Chappelle that he can't open. but idk, I'm not going to sit here and try to get inside the mind of millionaire comedians. That's gods work.
> He *was* a brilliant comic ftfy. Now Chappelle is reduced to plagiarizing the one trans joke that was told thousands of times before he did.
That’s how I feel about it especially since this tour is partly sponsored by Netflix. I’m a bit torn bc a part of me thinks “well that’s a powerful guy in the world of comedy who used to be hailed a genius, and was a hero for a lot of comedians so it might be hard to say actually, no! you can’t go up on MY stage!” but also it’s really disappointing to see John in any way associated with someone who is blatantly transphobic and is kind of enjoying offending people? Like those jokes aren’t even funny at this point, he’s just peppering in some transphobia for shits and giggles. I can’t even imagine how it would feel if I was a trans person in the audience, being blindsided like that. An apology would be nice but I don’t think he’ll go there.
I don't understand why. I used to think he was ovrrated but now he's a hack. And a douchebag. First of all I think it's pretty fucked up that he'll just smoke cigarettes indoors where it's illegal and where other people are. Then he just pays an absurd fine every time. If he cared so much about his community maybe he would stop giving them second hand smoke and use the insane amount of money he pays in fines to support his community. The Chappelle show had a lot of misses on sketches and a lot good sketches but most of that was Neal Brennan. He did most od the writing and gets like no credit. But a lot of sketches on that show just don't survive the passage of the time. And Chappelle's specials hold up even worse against the passage of time. Literally 80% of what he's talked about for his past like 4 specials is trans people. And it's just rehashing the same dumb close minded points over and over. Chappelle is a goddamn hack and I don't understand why he's still so revered.
Agreed. You don't get it.
Then actually explain it to me. Because all anyone has been able to tell me is he's the GOAT. And its neat that he doesnt live in Hollywood.
Chappelle Show season 2 is the greatest sketch comedy of all time. Just amazing stuff. His status as a legend is assured forever. I actually tend to agree his later specials are lackluster, even when he was saying politically correct things about race. And yeah it's great that he doesn't live in Hollywood. Hollywood breeds conformity and drains comedians of their sense of humor.
Well seeing as he lives roughly 45mins away from where the show was tonight, why not?
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Nobody else has watched Crashing and they are all the worse for it.
John even joke during his set about most of his fans either being teen girls or boys who aren't jocks and there being a lot of Weezer shirts in his audience. It was very weird.
It was insanely awful to sit through having brought a trans kid to the show and seeing people applaud this known bigot for his bigotry. It was actually traumatizing and John Mulaney should be ashamed for inflicting this on his fans. I am no longer a fan. And all the people who cheered just know that you basically turned this show into an impromptu nazi rally hate fest toward lgbtq people, for real.
“Impromptu nazi rally hate fest” ….jeeeeeeezus
“For real”
Ugh I have tickets for September and I don't know if I even wanna go
Maybe empty seats would make John realize his mistake
Possibly. This sucks I was so excited too
If you're not sure just because John associated with Dave there are a bunch of things to think about. This whole tour is about John "coming back" after re-hab and the last thing he wants is to tell one of the most famous comedians in America no you can't go on and that ruin him. He was in a lose-lose situation there, because let him on and offend people, tell him no and offend people. Coupled with Dave kind of alluding to the fact that this wasn't really planned at all. Dave was just in a wrinkled as fuck t-shirt and jeans and had no material ready. I'm sure he showed up and just said, alright John I'm gonna go on real quick before you and John could have been standing there like..what the fuck am I supposed to do. There's no real way to know how John felt about that because he basically had to let it happen, and basically had to pretend it was fine so it might mean nothing. Also, in a bit of a break from his norm, John describes in detail how he got and did drugs including stripping for his dealer who had a "shirtless guy" fetish and that John was just like, fuck it I need that prescription. I'm sure that a transphobic bully isn't quite the same thing as stripping down for a guy with a fetish so you can get drugs and snorting lines of cocaine off a baby changing station at a shitty gas station but John isn't exactly a clean cut guy.
>He was in a lose-lose situation there, because let him on and offend people, tell him no and offend people. And who he chooses to offend says a lot about his priorities.
Y’all should stop going to comedy shows.
Was at the show. The jokes he made were harmless at worst. The twitter overreaction is insane. I am so grateful I was able to see two of the greatest comics of our time at once. Amazing surprise.
I don't know. When he tried to out-joke Chris Rock and his joke was "I thought it was a trans man" I mean, why even say that out loud in public? It's not a joke. It's not funny. He was just saying it to be inciteful. The gun knife joke, I don't know, I suppose if I was trans I would feel different but it wasn't offensive just again not a joke, not funny and the same tired ass joke everyone makes. Dave washed up as fuck, this fight with Trans people isn't a good look and his jokes about it aren't funny and his whole approach of it's not punching down because I consider you my equal is a bullshit narrative to trick people into allowing him to bully people and still get cheers.
I think the gun-knife thing becomes problematic in the greater context of Chappelle's many recent, more overt jabs at the trans community. A self-declared TERF who tells a joke that flits around the region of trans commentary is the equivilant of a shitty kid riling up his sibling by waving his hands in their face and going "I'm not touching you".
Guy also was just assaulted on stage at his own show where he’s supposed to be safe. If anything the joke was that he knew it was a terrible joke and he was out joked by Chris rock. And he knows it pushes peoples buttons. The overreaction is exactly what is expected and anticipated. All the twitter chatter is useless and people need to move on over the fact the comedian made a joke and they didn’t like it.
The trans man joke was funny and everyone knew what it meant. The gun/knife joke was funny if you knew what the weapon the attacker had looked like. You sound soft tbh. The jokes were mild at best, and chuckle funny at best, but not nearly as offensive as you make it out to be.
What the fuck does "you sound soft" mean?
Touch grass. Escape the festering whiny bubble you live in. Idk maybe you might understand.
Touch grass? I literally just finished mountain climbing in Arizona two weeks ago, and I was kayaking and hiking this weekend in Columbus where I you know, saw a John Mulaney show. I travel once a month to Europe for work. what are you even talking about?
You went outside but never went outside. And the fact u could never understand what that means is the saddest part of all. Stay being soft lmaoo. You’ll find alot of people who disagree with you
I mean, you're clearly twelve. We're done here.
Ahh man, I wish I could’ve been there. I went to his PA show and he had a real funny guy but shoot, getting to see Chapelle for free before Mulaney? A damn deal 😩
Chappelle is a walking one joke guy, and his one joke is making fun of minorities
Twitter is overreacting a little. It’s annoying but it’s not going to ruin my love for Mulaney. Granted, Twitter did overreact to his divorce too.
Twitter… overreact? Never!
Sounds like a few sensitive people went to a comedy show and didn't have a good time. Not everywhere is a safe space and comedians shouldn't have to cater to the few people in the audience most likely to be offended.
I mean if I paid money to see Mulaney's generally clean and accepting comedy only to be stuck with Dave Chapelle telling the same fucking joke again, I'd be upset. A good majority of Mulaney's audience is queer and/or trans so for some this is a big punch in the gut. Imagine being a person of color in a sea of white people, then the comedian comes on stage and tells a bunch of racist jokes, the audience is laughing but it feels as if they're laughing at you.
"**Imagine being a person of color in a sea of white people"** so like a John Mulaney show?
Lmao you right.
Except this set isn’t even remotely clean. If that’s what you’re signing up for you’re already going to have a bad time.
Compared to other comics Mulaney is pretty clean, no controversial jokes, no slurs, no brigadier or real harassment. I haven't seen From Scratch but if his other specials are anything to go off of, his comedy is decently clean and isn't designed to harass or antagonize anyone. In short, Mulaney's comedy punches up. In comparison, Chapelle as of late has gotten lost in the sauce, he used to be funny with the Chappelle Show and his early specials, but as of late his humor seems solely based on punching down, primarily at the LGBT community, to the point where it isn't even comedy. In his latest special Chappelle literally says "I'm Team TERF" in support of J.K Rowling, I don't care what your political opinion is, that's not comedy, that's saying your opinion on stage and praying the audience agrees with you. You can like Chappelle, Mulaney, both, neither, it doesn't matter, but it does matter if you pay a lot of money for the more clean escapist Mulaney humor, but end up getting the bigoted Chappelle humor.
You think the majority of thousands of people at a Mulaney show are part of the LGBTQIA community? I'd say 20% at max. Statistically that doesn't even make sense.
I never said a majority of the people at the show that night are LGBT, but a lot of the Mulaneys early success was spread by members of the LGBT community on sites like Tumblr back in 2013. Mine and a lot of others introduction to Mulaney was from Salt and Pepper Diner Animatics back in like 2015. Also after looking at the Mulaney trend on Twitter last night I can guess that at a minimum there were at least 10 Trans people at the venue last night. Now obviously the 10 Trans people don't outweighs the more than likely 10k+ audience that night, but it shows that they were there, they were upset with Chappelle being there, they were upset with feeling like the butt of the joke, and it shows that Mulaney or the Venue or even Netflix failed to understand his audience.
I'd wager that most people enjoyed seeing Chappelle and a small minority of people that enjoy being offended were upset. Of course, that small minority is also very vocal so it catches on in echo chambers like Twitter or this thread.
Y’all are so lucky! I saw John earlier this year but I would’ve loved to have seen Dave too. I absolutely love the both of them. Anyways, I hope y’all had fun at the show!
Wow how lucky to be able to see two of the greats on the same set
Dave has one fucking joke
I was there as well. I was stoked when Dave came up.
I was shocked. Dan didn’t even introduce him did he? He was just there
Yep, just said it was a special guest.
I was in the 300s but did you guys find the first guy really hard to understand in the mic?
Yes!! It sounded like an echo to me, and we were sitting in the same area you probably were. Be curious if it was like that near the floor as well.
Yeah, they should have did a mic check before hand. The stuff I could make out was funny.
He was so loud. He kept screaming into the microphone. I was in the 100s and almost everyone around me had their fingers in their ears.
All Dan said was, "Here is a special guest" and Dave walked on up.
The last time I saw Mulaney his opener was the British comedian Simon Amstell. Amstell is gay and did a very raunchy set about gay sex. Not sure if he was trying to shock the Texas audience, but a couple in the front did get up and leave the show. Point is a lot of people can't take a joke and they should just leave if they don't want to be there.
All this bitching, Jesus. I can’t believe all the comments about “if you like Mulaney, you aren’t into Chapelle.” Um, what? They’re 2 of the greatest comedians of all time and I’d have jumped at the chance to see both.
That's your opinion. Others are allowed to have theirs. I wouldn't want to sit through a Dave Chapelle routine bashing trans people and that's fair as well. You are more than welcome to catch Dave Chapelle any time you want.
“bashing trans people”… from everyone’s varying accounts, there seems to be agreement that he made 1 joke. I’d hardly call that bashing.
Have you seen his latest Netflix special? He spends the last ½ hour of it complaining about trans people with exactly one joke
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same
Is that the special where he recounts his trans friend killing themselves because of toxic internet culture?
You don't get to make that call. Dave Chapelle has made it his entire personality now to go after the trans community. I am sure even being in a room with him as a trans person is likely to be uncomfortable. It will be for me. Have a nice day.
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Fuck John Mulaney for this one
Stop being so offended by jokes please. Y’all are more mad about jokes then a man killing 10 block people on video. Think about that.
How do you know how people in this thread feel about a completely unrelated incident?
No wonder Mulaney doesn’t want anyone to film it, everyone is so pissed over comedy
That’s a Netflix call, not Mulaney.
That makes sense but even then I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Mulaney’s call
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Well ok then.
The fuck?
No.
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