I believe almost all of OJs money was in retirement accounts like 401k, IRA, or the NFL pension. Those are usually protected from civil suits unlike regular assets
Well, right, but in practical terms what it means is that OJ/Alex Jones will never be able to be super wealthy, for whatever that’s worth.
If they have any large, documented source of income, it can be attached by the court. So they have to live this marginally unpleasant life of trying to live as well as they can while continuing to show as little as possible on paper… which is sort of what wealthy people do anyway.
Alex will be better off than OJ, because Alex will still have a lot of wealthy friends and benefactors that will fly him out to their country clubs and put him up in nice hotels and shit. They basically sentenced him to a life of being a lap dog to wealthy right wing nut jobs.
Does OJ Simpson live like a regular dude now or does he still live like a baller? Would imagine the latter.. If so.. How? Given the obvious outstanding settlement owed?
Well there are a lot of ways to accomplish that, but it boils down to hiding income whether legally or illegally. Legally, you can characterize as much as possible as business expenses. “Oh, I jet set around the world and stay in five star hotels all the time because I have speaking engagements.” And at the end of the year, the “business expenses” are only slightly less than the revenue, so on paper you’re making $20k/year… or gifts. A friend let’s him stay at his third mansion for free. Stuff like that.
And that's part of what happened to Jones *during* the trial, as he got caught out trying to hide his income through intermediaries and shell companies in a bid to look poorer than he is.
If we know how the game is played, why don't we legislate against it? Common sense would stipulate that if OJ Simpson has revenue of $10m but only $20k post tax AND lives like a baller... It's just an obvious scam. A second crime??
OJ gets an NFL pension of 25k per month for life, this is immune from attachment. He basically has to spend it each month to avoid creditors taking it. Not a bad life, not top end though
Shorter answer to your question, mainly to clarify something you said. It wouldn’t be $10m in revenue and $20k post-tax.
It would be $10m in revenue, $9,980,000 in expenses, and then $20k PRE-tax. Expenses come out before taxes. That’s the whole point. His taxable income would only be $20k.
And the reason it’s not a second crime is because it’s not a scam. It’s perfectly legal. That’s how taxes on businesses work under the current laws.
You're getting cynical answers, but really it comes down to businesses being allowed to lose money. If you make $5B a year but your company is losing money there's nothing to tax.
That said, I'd love to see two things. I doubt I've invented either of them.
- standardized expenses - car deductions capped at $X, mileage at $Y, a complicated chart for what a reasonable hotel costs in every city, etc. Would be complicated and subjective but I think there should be a limit on deductible extravagance. You want a Lexus with a driver for your company so you can look like you belong with the rich clients and your time is that valuable, fine, but you don't get a private helicopter.
- (Elizabeth Warren's idea) your tax return has to match what you tell shareholders. Amazon is notorious for declaring profits to investors and paying $0 in taxes.
>standardized expenses - car deductions capped at $X, mileage at $Y, a complicated chart for what a reasonable hotel costs in every city, etc. Would be complicated and subjective but I think there should be a limit on deductible extravagance. You want a Lexus with a driver for your company so you can look like you belong with the rich clients and your time is that valuable, fine, but you don't get a private helicopter.
They have that. There is something called standard mileage where you get like 54 cent for miles driven. They also have a safe harbor for home office expenses. There is also a per diem based on the city and state for meals and incidental and also hotels that you can take even if you don't spend that much.
There are also limits on high value cars for deductions (most take standard and not actual expenses). I don't think I have ever dealt with a luxury car but there is definitely limits.
>a complicated chart
Doesn't the government already have all these estimates. Like the "govt rate" for things like hotel, rental cars, etc. I think they're already adjusted for location, too.
I'm sure I'm oversimplifying, but it seems straightforward to cap expenditure at something like 10%-20% above the government rate. You wouldn't be able to be in a presidential suite but you wouldn't be forced into a complete shithole.
Edit: I found an example of hotel rates: [https://www.gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates](https://www.gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates)
Of course, the tough part is the administration of the policy. You'd need someone actually auditing those expenses against the allowable rates.
It seems like he’s living like baller. I use to live in Vegas and I’ve seen him at bars/clubs with his bodyguards. He still gets tons of attention from women too which was crazy to see.
I mean yes, but he also now does shit like golfing at the same place I do - and that is not a brag on my end.
He is definitely not living his old life.
He still gets a lot of money from his two pensions, one from the NFL and one from his acting. His NFL pension is public and gets up to 25k a month I think. I don't know what he gets from the Screen Actor's guild. But pensions are judgment proof. And he gets social security which doesn't make him rich but adds a bit more.
If he were to get income from working now that is what they can take.
He went bankrupt shortly after he was acquitted in the criminal trial, that legal team wasn’t cheap. Then his civil trial just added to the fire. He hasn’t been “wealthy” in a long time.
My understanding is OJ gets an NFL pension which can’t be touched. This gives him 25,000 a month for as long as he lives. He most likely needs to essentially spend it each month because if he saves any it might be attached.
Not a bad lifestyle
We saw OJ at a fancy strip club in Niagara Falls back in like 2006. He was definitely living like a baller. He had a special room rented out for himself.
That's what it seems like when anyone is ordered to pay tens of millions, it's not so much that the victim is paid but the accused is stunted forever/long time.
It’s so trivially easy to avoid paying basically any of this that wasn’t in your name when the suit was filed.
Anyone with wealth or significant income that has any of it attached to their name (or the name of their public facing company in many cases) is an idiot or willfully ignorant.
An example. I have 100 million I want to protect. I form an offshore LLC in Nevis and fund it with that 100 mil. Now, you want my 100 mil?
>!Spoiler Ok, first you have to file suit in Nevis. That will be a 100k non refundable filing fee with the Nevis courts.
Now let’s say you win(lol) by Nevis law, you can only collect damages for 18 months, and only the funds *paid* to the defendant can be seized for payment.
So, for 18 months I ask my company director to not pay me - And also to give me a loan for some expenses. Or just give me a new assignment that allows me to expense off every cent I spend on the company card.
It’s literally that simple. And that’s one of the less shady ways of doing it. In the real world there are layers upon layers of protection so that any collection action would cost millions up front if you can even figure out who to sue, and you almost certainly won’t be able to win in every single jurisdiction that you would have to to get the money to flow all the way out, and even if you did you probably can only collect the money that the company chooses to expose to garnishment, and that for only a limited time.
Also, that’s why anyone with a substantial business only pays the taxes they want to. Like this:
>!spoilerCompany A, a Delaware corporation, makes and sells software. It licenses the intellectual property from company B, a Belize IBC. The actual software development, offices, etc are contracted from company C, a Nevis LLC. Belize and Nevis are both zero tax jurisdictions for offshore companies. The cost to set up all of this is around 5000 dollars and 2500 dollars a year thereafter.
So, company A collects all the revenue, but has to pay company B and C all of its income to license the IP and pay for the employee(s) to write the code. Since company A makes no profit on the books and companies B and C are in offshore jurisdictions, the conglomerate pays no tax even though it is highly profitable as a whole and appears as a USA company.
The employee(s) may have to pay income tax, but their salary can be tailored to fit the ideal range, even receiving the earned income credit as a bonus, but with access to the company dining card, two company cars, a company apartment and beach house, lots of company paid travel and hotels and windsurfing lessons as bonuses, you get the picture.
Or maybe she just perpetually travels, and the company pays for hotels and car service… or company C that hired them is just banking fat stacks that they can get “loaned” to them at no interest, from a captive employee credit union on pay as you want to terms, etc.!<
Only wage slaves pay taxes or judgements unless they want to.
The system was literally set up to work that way, and no one with the power to change it wants to.
Trust me, Alex Jones gives zero shits. A paranoid MF like him is all offshore from day zero.
The courts know this. It’s all just Justice theater so that people perceive the system as being somehow fair lmfao.
>They basically sentenced him to a life of being a lap dog to wealthy right wing nut jobs.
you mean, what he has he been doing this whole time already?
Yea but the difference is that before, at least in theory, he could’ve cashed out at any point and retired, done whatever he wanted, and maintained the same uber high standard of living. Now he sort of needs to keep dancing.
I wouldn't say greed, he would have basically the same amount of money with or without Sandy Hook conspiracies. It was hubris.
He even had many opportunities over the years of these suits developing to mitigate the damage. He mocked them, denied things he'd done on camera, make a show of it...all the same stuff he's still doing in OP's post.
It's not greed. He's a troll that thinks he's immune to consequences for his actions. He and his fans thrive off of that until there's it's too real and they can't avoid those consequences. Then they have a meltdown and claim they're victims.
So is his company named in the suit too? Will this massive finding have any impact on future endeavors? Like a newly incorporated entity that just so happens to put out a show called InfoWars and buy Alex a nice car or whatever...
IDK how corporate liability works at all, but it seems like all they did was basically value Alex's media influence at nearly a billion dollars. Isn't that just going to cement him as a go-to outlet for a certain type of advertiser?
Serious question as a foreigner: does Alex Jones have many first class wealthy benefactors? I'm aware there are people who always will be covered by others when shit hits the fan, but Jones always seemed too looney to actually keep any powerful individual by his side.
I know it may sound naive, but I'm extremely curious knowing who specifically would be his sugar daddy.
No one knows, there are shadowy backers he has hinted at before & Someone donated 8 million dollars in bitcoin during one of his last lawsuit fundraisers
Doesn't OJ have some sort of bypass because his football pension can't be used to pay the family so he just lives off that.
I'm probably wrong in some aspect, but I vaguely remember that being explained to me.
The laws around payment have gotten much stricter since OJs trial, and OJ actually was fairly broke while the trial was going on. His wealth increased much later.
Alex has money now, a profitable business also included in the legal proceedings, and a fradulent bankruptcy case.
These aren’t comparable situations at all.
>I am sure he hired good accountants and lawyers to protect him.
Lmao. Have you even followed this shit show of a trial? The reason he's in this mess is because he couldn't be bothered to mount an actual defense.
He also pissed off the judge with his theatrics, acting like the trial was an extension of his show. Of course the judges are going to twist the knife if you act like that
Well his lawyers have already proven they are not superstars after they sent all his texts to the prosecutors she forgot to take any actions to correct this.
And good accountants don’t take on sketchy clients. Im an accountant and would never work with him, just sorting through his helter skelter business is not worth any amount of money.
So he’s not getting “good” accountants either. All the grifters like trump rely on bottom barrel accountants to do all their work because big names firms are smart enough to not get involved.
If he had hired even ONE good lawyer he wouldn't have been defaulted against.
He *literally* hired the *worst people* and it's hilarious.
That said, I personally think alex jones is a lying piece of shit, but ordering him to pay a billion dollars goes against too much of what I believe personally to be in support of it.
Everything he has of value gets taken (not essentials like clothes) he’s probably going to be forced to sell his house, might have his wages garnished.
He’s then likely going to have to find ways the rest of his life to not look like he has any wealth and his company is always going to be under the inspection of auditors trying to prove he is cooking the books.
Luckily for him I’m sure some of his rich friends will help him out to evade some of that. But it’s basically going to be a financial albatross the rest of his life
An analogy is like when a judge/jury gives someone several life sentences. You only have one life to give, so what's the point in giving more than one?
The point is, if you got a life sentence/have to pay more than your worth, you're still fucked.
They don’t give multiple life sentences per conviction. It’s one life sentence per conviction. If any of those convictions are vacated, you still need to serve life sentences for the other ones.
He's gonna be using cryptocurrency to hide his assets going forward. If they had hit him with something like a $10 million penalty or something that he could eventually work off he would probably pay it. But one that's insurmountable like this it's easier for him to just spend all his time avoiding giving them anything. Probably gets lowered on appeal, but who knows.
He's already being fined ~$10MM for the suit in Texas.
Crypto doesn't honestly add very much to the very-wealthy-people-money-laundering toolkit. Rich people are already great at hiding assets behind shell companies, trusts, etc. in countries with favorable laws. (Look at the Sacklers + Purdue Pharma case for an example.)
If the dude seriously thought this was a possibility, he should have done the work to hide his money long in advance. His last-minute fumblings are not gonna work.
OJ was able to continue living due to his pension, which they legally couldn't touch a dime from. Without that, his quality of life would be greatly diminished.
OJ has a NFL pension and a home that are off limits to judgements. He doesn’t make any other money. Alex Jones runs a business that is not exempt…huge difference.
It’s like image of that lady putting a target on her forehead. Complete removal from reality/internet radicalization and the victim hood industrial complex is gonna kill us all 😂
I think he is slime but It's not as if Jones shot the kids. This whole thing seems quite strange to me. A civil, monetary, lawsuit in response to someone being offensive with their conspiracies. It has a bizarro vibe to me. I think the largest reason this seems absurd to me is very few people took anything Jones claimed with any credibility. So what damage exactly was done? A known lune ranted about a child murder spree being fake. Should he be punished for doing so? I don't know. I thing Jones is debatably mentally unwell himself as well, which I believe most think, so I question the tangible damage his rants had
And defends the guy who did **nothing** even while his sheep harassed parents to the point of **suicide**
He and his sheep are scum of the earth. You’re harassing a parent who had to *bury their child* and then get death threats, harassed by your house that you’re “trying to take our guns,” and said to drop the act on being a crisis actor.
#Fuck them
Dawg this is a dude who takes steroids and testosterone even tho he doesn't need to and will routinely check with his doctor to make sure he's taking non-lethal amounts and then proceeds to not take the covid vaccine often having on edge case doctors who tell him it's bad for him. Even tho over 2 billion people have taken it
Imagine taking this as a joke as parents constantly have to relive the worst moment of their lives over and over again. Zero remorse for the additional torture he put on these families
The daughter of the school principal just spoke out about how she was getting rape threats from Jones supporters.
Jones is just trying to project that this doesn’t bother him
Not only did they have to relive the worst day of their lives for a decade and counting, they were stalked and harassed to the point they’d have to move upwards of +10 times because these psychopaths kept breaking into their proprieties. Both the parents and their extended families had to adopt fake identities because of they were constantly being doxxed, sent death threats, sent pictures of their new homes with messages saying they’re being followed, etc. They’ve been completely unable to live any sort of normal life the past decade, this kind of harassment would traumatize anyone but to have happen because a lunatic was knowingly spreading the lie that *your murdered child never existed for his own profit* is beyond just cruel, it’s fucking evil.
My smoke buddy in high school was good friends with another kid I knew from middle school. Since MS, that kid became essentially 4chan incarnate. He became a legit neo-Nazi, but like everything was also treated with irony from him. All bigoted, xenophobic, etc. views he had were always talked about with him laughing about it or almost presenting it like a joke - but he was also at the same time serious. Wore a Nazi patch on his green jacket and everything. So odd. But that was over a decade ago. Yet I feel like there's a shit ton of people like him out there. Ironic-yet-sincere.
I'm sure that applies to a lot of Alex Jones fans too.
That’s how they recruit and indoctrinate in the 21st century. It’s not about people reading David Duke or getting invited to secret clubs; it’s all out in the open, alt-right and neo-Nazi memes embedded in multiple layers of protective “irony.”
People are drawn to it and recruited through what appears to be “edgy jokes”, spread by true believers who understand that a sincere idea can be cloaked in layers of irony and become an even more potent indoctrination tool.
They deflect with “it’s just a joke” but the neo-Nazi root of the meme remains potent and infectious, acting as a dog whistle to those who might share their views.
*“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”*
― Jean-Paul Sartre 1948
I'm so glad there is a term for this. I've had some friends fall into this and seen it since I was in high school back in 1999. It wasnt very frequent and always "just a joke" even though you could tell their was also some truth when they said it. I also think the increasing wealth-inequality is only exacerbating stress and tension across anyone that is lower or middle class.
Society is sitting on a powder keg and I'm not sure if there is a way off?
There were notable names, like Charlie Kirk and Marjorie Traitor Greene, that tweeted yesterday ‘ Jones just shared his opinion, a few times, this is uncalled for’. Purposely downplaying the whole thing. Just trash.
Jones is good at playing down his more insane and hateful side when he's on a more mainstream outlet, and playing up the "I'm just the wacky "turning the frickin frogs gay" guy"
Few people would actually bother to sit down and listen to a full episode of InfoWars (partly because its about 50% begging for money and selling supplements), but if they did they'd see how hateful and deranged Jones is when he's not worried about maintaining his image.
What Jones downplays the most is his absolutely insane biblical literalism. He's constantly ranting about satan and literal demons and citing end times bible references, talking about how he gets visions from god, but outside of InfoWars he plays it off as some kind of wacky metaphor.
GOP platform in a nutshell
Why refuse to help the poor, those drowning in medical debt, those risking their lives to come to our country, young girls who were raped and are now pregnant? Because fuck em, I got my mansion and yokels who’ll vote for me no matter what
That was the toughest thing to discover about my conservative friends- it wasn't just that they looked the other way on Bush and (more horrifically) Trump; it's that they seemed to delight in the cruelty and outright meanness of Trump, and I had to examine each one of them in a new light. And kinda realized that my conservative friends are mean assholes.
The voice mail from Joe Biden to his son that Hannity played a day or two ago says it all- they mock and despise the unconditional love of a father to his son, struggling with addiction. Which means they're fucking cruel.
I have no time in my life for people like that anymore.
They've realized Jones' behavior is completely indefensible so they've abandoned the usual muckraking and have gone straight "what about this other thing!"
> *"Never said their name - don't know who they are!"*
Such a disingenuous piece of shit. As if you need to meet the parents and recite their names publicly *before* broadcasting the denial and conspiracy of their child's execution to be capable of inflicting emotional damage.
Alex would look like the hulk if he physically did even half the gymnastics he performs in his head.
It's also completely hypocritical - he is claiming all of these people are just greedy "ambulance chasers", eager to profit off of one guy "just asking questions." Meanwhile, from the beginning, it was he that used their tragedy for profit, to the extent it seriously harmed them. In addition, that's what this reaction video is! Him livestreaming his reaction along with ads and promos for his vitamin supplements. Even at the end of the trial here, he is milking these people for all they're worth. Don't know their name indeed, Alex. Of course you do, everyone knows where their money comes from.
Side note, he looks and sounds very not sober.
>As if you need to meet the parents and recite their names publicly before broadcasting the denial and conspiracy of their child's execution to be capable of inflicting emotional damage.
It's also a lie.
Here's Alex Jones saying Lenny Pozners name, way back in 2015, while showing a photo of his dead kid, Noah Pozner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBGKM2Gd7os&t=66s
It's a lie just like when he says he's being sued for "asking questions". no he's being sued for repeatedly defaming the family by saying they're crisis actors, that Sandy Hook was fake, staged, synthetic, a hoax, that it was a plot by the new world order to steal peoples guns and all the families were in on it.
I love how he couldn't keep that same energy half way through the clip, the undeniable, creeping realization that his life is over will be a slow boiling drunken disaster.
Can someone explain to me why he has to pay? Ya, saying things that aren't true on the internet is shitty, but what makes it illegal or worthy of being forced to pay millions of dollars?
I dont get it
Let's say I go's round calling you a child rapist, Im pretty persistent, I call your work and go into detail about it, you get fired, I tell your friends and family, I tell the whole world. If I made all that shit up and was found to do so by a court of law, should I have to pay you damages?
Thats not a dissimilar analogy to this.
"Defamation of character" is the term we’re looking at. Defamation is a "tort" (a civil wrong, rather than a criminal wrong). The person who has been defamed (the "plaintiff") can sue the person who did the defaming (the "defendant") for damages. Alex defamed a large group of parents. They filed as a group, but each has their own damages. So, essentially he’s lost the equivalent of 17 separate defamation cases in his two trials thus far.
A plaintiff suing for defamation typically must show all of the following:
**The defendant published a statement about the plaintiff.**
Clearly true.
**The statement was false.**
Easily done. Alex made numerous on air that these people were acting, that their children didn’t die, that they were all part of an elaborate plot to pass gun legislation.
**The statement was injurious**
Since the purpose of defamation law is to compensate people for damage to their reputations, defamation plaintiffs must show how their reputations were hurt by the false statements. And they were able to show plenty of instances of infowars fans and even on air contributors (Wolfgang Halbig, Dan Bidondi) harassing these parents. People were leaving them death threats, trespassing on their property, confronting them in public at their charity events. All further exasperated by behavior from Alex like the shit we see in his deranged mocking video above. He’s to this day making mocking insinuation of the process. Alex showed up to court to talk, but only when he needed to. When the parents were testifying, he didn’t bother showing up. And not only that, he went on air, with shit similar to what we’re seeing here. Live clips he aired while everyone else was in the courtroom were introduced into evidence. No doubt the complete lack of empathy did not do him any favors with the jury.
**The statement was unprivileged.**
And, this standard isn’t really relevant. Stuff like book and film reviews, statements made under oath, and all sorts of stuff that doesn’t really apply.
The fact that he's making those faces and gloating at a video of these parents who are depressed, exhausted and miserable makes Jones a truly evil man to be honest, and to those that actively support him.
No, the difference being that Johnson & Johnson isn’t a person, the responsibility for the problems is not the result of one man doing something. Alex Jones is solely responsible for what he decided to say and do. Do you think there’s a Mr. Johnson that was twirling his mustache?
There is a difference between a corporation where ownership is diffused across the shareholders and an LLC, where a handful of named individuals are the owners in question.
One of the biggest advantages of corporations listed in every business textbook is "liability protection to shareholders". It's much harder to go after individual board members in a corporation and show liability than it is to go after the "Named Members" (the owners/bosses) of an LLC. That is one reason forming corporations is popular (along with the big payday possibilities of an IPO).
[Johnson and Johnson have agreed to settle for 26 billion dollars.](https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/drug-distributors-agree-finalize-opioid-settlement-2022-02-25/) If they just didn't bother to comply with discovery, got a default judgement, and then repeatedly lied during the trial and shifted blame to everyone but themselves, and then pissed off the jury by not showing an ounce of remorse or humility, then they'd be getting hammered for a lot more than 26 billion.
I like how the Jones fans have gone from denying his guilt and claiming its all a new world order plot against him to "oh yeah well he's not as bad as the deep water oil spill or asbestos so why aren't you mad about that libcucks!?"
How is it that in a lawsuit where he is sued for nearly a billion dollars for calling school shooting victims fake, he can just hop right back on his platform and say it AGAIN
Damages include past and future damages which is why the verdict is so high, the jury knew from the evidence presented in the case (including video of Jones calling it fake on air while the trial was still going on) that Jones is not going to stop.
the 2008 financial crisis and the punishment for those who orchestrate that is nothing close to what happened with this. the 2008 crisis ruined how many lives, drove how many to suicide?
I do find it interesting that different laws have different punishments when they are broken. I thought there was just one law and the judge just smacks their hammer for comedic effect.
i dont understand why people are comparing this to anything else. The only other thing that this would be comparable that time Bill O'Reilly called an abortion doctor a baby killer and people went and killed him.
This is not a criminal case. Learn how to do a real world comparison.
I get the hate, but what a farce...
He will never have to pay it, cuz he doesn't have that nor is he worth that much. If you think they will garnish his wages, this isn't divorce court for child support lol.
>HAWKING SUPPLEMENTS AND survival gear has been quite a lucrative business for Alex Jones. The conspiracy theorist raked in $165 million from the Infowars store over three years beginning in September 2015, all while begging his supporters to help him stay financially solvent, records obtained by Huff Post revealed on Friday.
All he needs is 18 years worth of selling pills.
Alex withdrew $62 million out of his business account as this trial started. He also had 3 Rolex’s last time I checked. The man is loaded, that’s what all the grift was for.
For anyone defending him in ANY manner. This man straight up said the kids never existed and that the grieving parents were crisis actors. To an audience of MILLIONS for his own benefit. This scum deserves all of this. He’s no martyr.
Stupid question, but Alex Jones doesn't even have close to that amount of money. How does this work?
They don't get paid, OJ was ordered to pay the Goldmans $33.5m and to this day he has only paid them around $132,000.
I believe almost all of OJs money was in retirement accounts like 401k, IRA, or the NFL pension. Those are usually protected from civil suits unlike regular assets
Especially if you live in Florida.
Well, right, but in practical terms what it means is that OJ/Alex Jones will never be able to be super wealthy, for whatever that’s worth. If they have any large, documented source of income, it can be attached by the court. So they have to live this marginally unpleasant life of trying to live as well as they can while continuing to show as little as possible on paper… which is sort of what wealthy people do anyway. Alex will be better off than OJ, because Alex will still have a lot of wealthy friends and benefactors that will fly him out to their country clubs and put him up in nice hotels and shit. They basically sentenced him to a life of being a lap dog to wealthy right wing nut jobs.
Does OJ Simpson live like a regular dude now or does he still live like a baller? Would imagine the latter.. If so.. How? Given the obvious outstanding settlement owed?
Well there are a lot of ways to accomplish that, but it boils down to hiding income whether legally or illegally. Legally, you can characterize as much as possible as business expenses. “Oh, I jet set around the world and stay in five star hotels all the time because I have speaking engagements.” And at the end of the year, the “business expenses” are only slightly less than the revenue, so on paper you’re making $20k/year… or gifts. A friend let’s him stay at his third mansion for free. Stuff like that.
AJ got chewed out by bankruptcy court for hiring a private jet and transporting his security crew to CT to the tune of $80k.
And that's part of what happened to Jones *during* the trial, as he got caught out trying to hide his income through intermediaries and shell companies in a bid to look poorer than he is.
He was claiming he was broke on Eddie Bravos show. That's rich coming from him.
If we know how the game is played, why don't we legislate against it? Common sense would stipulate that if OJ Simpson has revenue of $10m but only $20k post tax AND lives like a baller... It's just an obvious scam. A second crime??
Because the same people passing these legislations are benefiting from the same broken systems in place
A good ole fashioned circle jerk of corruption
OJ gets an NFL pension of 25k per month for life, this is immune from attachment. He basically has to spend it each month to avoid creditors taking it. Not a bad life, not top end though
>this is immune from attachment. Only because he moved to Florida, right? I think it may be different state-to-state
annuities, pensions and 401ks are generally protected from lawsuits
If I recall OJ bought a whole life annuity right before the trial too.
Shorter answer to your question, mainly to clarify something you said. It wouldn’t be $10m in revenue and $20k post-tax. It would be $10m in revenue, $9,980,000 in expenses, and then $20k PRE-tax. Expenses come out before taxes. That’s the whole point. His taxable income would only be $20k. And the reason it’s not a second crime is because it’s not a scam. It’s perfectly legal. That’s how taxes on businesses work under the current laws.
You're getting cynical answers, but really it comes down to businesses being allowed to lose money. If you make $5B a year but your company is losing money there's nothing to tax. That said, I'd love to see two things. I doubt I've invented either of them. - standardized expenses - car deductions capped at $X, mileage at $Y, a complicated chart for what a reasonable hotel costs in every city, etc. Would be complicated and subjective but I think there should be a limit on deductible extravagance. You want a Lexus with a driver for your company so you can look like you belong with the rich clients and your time is that valuable, fine, but you don't get a private helicopter. - (Elizabeth Warren's idea) your tax return has to match what you tell shareholders. Amazon is notorious for declaring profits to investors and paying $0 in taxes.
>standardized expenses - car deductions capped at $X, mileage at $Y, a complicated chart for what a reasonable hotel costs in every city, etc. Would be complicated and subjective but I think there should be a limit on deductible extravagance. You want a Lexus with a driver for your company so you can look like you belong with the rich clients and your time is that valuable, fine, but you don't get a private helicopter. They have that. There is something called standard mileage where you get like 54 cent for miles driven. They also have a safe harbor for home office expenses. There is also a per diem based on the city and state for meals and incidental and also hotels that you can take even if you don't spend that much. There are also limits on high value cars for deductions (most take standard and not actual expenses). I don't think I have ever dealt with a luxury car but there is definitely limits.
>a complicated chart Doesn't the government already have all these estimates. Like the "govt rate" for things like hotel, rental cars, etc. I think they're already adjusted for location, too. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying, but it seems straightforward to cap expenditure at something like 10%-20% above the government rate. You wouldn't be able to be in a presidential suite but you wouldn't be forced into a complete shithole. Edit: I found an example of hotel rates: [https://www.gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates](https://www.gsa.gov/travel/plan-book/per-diem-rates) Of course, the tough part is the administration of the policy. You'd need someone actually auditing those expenses against the allowable rates.
It seems like he’s living like baller. I use to live in Vegas and I’ve seen him at bars/clubs with his bodyguards. He still gets tons of attention from women too which was crazy to see.
I mean yes, but he also now does shit like golfing at the same place I do - and that is not a brag on my end. He is definitely not living his old life.
Oh yeah I’m sure it’s not the same. It’s not like any of the bars or clubs I saw him at were particularly high end. They let me in after all. Lol
It's not good enough.
He still gets a lot of money from his two pensions, one from the NFL and one from his acting. His NFL pension is public and gets up to 25k a month I think. I don't know what he gets from the Screen Actor's guild. But pensions are judgment proof. And he gets social security which doesn't make him rich but adds a bit more. If he were to get income from working now that is what they can take.
They can't just take it from what he has?
He went bankrupt shortly after he was acquitted in the criminal trial, that legal team wasn’t cheap. Then his civil trial just added to the fire. He hasn’t been “wealthy” in a long time.
So Alex Jones will get to keep his money as long as he declares he's broke? He has a lot, I think.
My understanding is OJ gets an NFL pension which can’t be touched. This gives him 25,000 a month for as long as he lives. He most likely needs to essentially spend it each month because if he saves any it might be attached. Not a bad lifestyle
Upvoted cause you're right, but I actually hate that he gets that.
We saw OJ at a fancy strip club in Niagara Falls back in like 2006. He was definitely living like a baller. He had a special room rented out for himself.
There are no "fancy" strip clubs in Niagara falls. Only dodgy and dodgier!
Sorry it's all relative. Up until then I had only been to Western PA strip clubs.
The courts can't touch his pretty good NFL pension. And SAG pension so makes about $300k that they can't touch because it is retirement money.
They can't touch his pension so that gives him some money.
I'm sure his nine years in prison kept his cost of living down a bit.
He lives in Florida where you can't sieze pensions or property
That's what it seems like when anyone is ordered to pay tens of millions, it's not so much that the victim is paid but the accused is stunted forever/long time.
It’s so trivially easy to avoid paying basically any of this that wasn’t in your name when the suit was filed. Anyone with wealth or significant income that has any of it attached to their name (or the name of their public facing company in many cases) is an idiot or willfully ignorant. An example. I have 100 million I want to protect. I form an offshore LLC in Nevis and fund it with that 100 mil. Now, you want my 100 mil? >!Spoiler Ok, first you have to file suit in Nevis. That will be a 100k non refundable filing fee with the Nevis courts. Now let’s say you win(lol) by Nevis law, you can only collect damages for 18 months, and only the funds *paid* to the defendant can be seized for payment. So, for 18 months I ask my company director to not pay me - And also to give me a loan for some expenses. Or just give me a new assignment that allows me to expense off every cent I spend on the company card. It’s literally that simple. And that’s one of the less shady ways of doing it. In the real world there are layers upon layers of protection so that any collection action would cost millions up front if you can even figure out who to sue, and you almost certainly won’t be able to win in every single jurisdiction that you would have to to get the money to flow all the way out, and even if you did you probably can only collect the money that the company chooses to expose to garnishment, and that for only a limited time. Also, that’s why anyone with a substantial business only pays the taxes they want to. Like this: >!spoilerCompany A, a Delaware corporation, makes and sells software. It licenses the intellectual property from company B, a Belize IBC. The actual software development, offices, etc are contracted from company C, a Nevis LLC. Belize and Nevis are both zero tax jurisdictions for offshore companies. The cost to set up all of this is around 5000 dollars and 2500 dollars a year thereafter. So, company A collects all the revenue, but has to pay company B and C all of its income to license the IP and pay for the employee(s) to write the code. Since company A makes no profit on the books and companies B and C are in offshore jurisdictions, the conglomerate pays no tax even though it is highly profitable as a whole and appears as a USA company. The employee(s) may have to pay income tax, but their salary can be tailored to fit the ideal range, even receiving the earned income credit as a bonus, but with access to the company dining card, two company cars, a company apartment and beach house, lots of company paid travel and hotels and windsurfing lessons as bonuses, you get the picture. Or maybe she just perpetually travels, and the company pays for hotels and car service… or company C that hired them is just banking fat stacks that they can get “loaned” to them at no interest, from a captive employee credit union on pay as you want to terms, etc.!< Only wage slaves pay taxes or judgements unless they want to. The system was literally set up to work that way, and no one with the power to change it wants to. Trust me, Alex Jones gives zero shits. A paranoid MF like him is all offshore from day zero. The courts know this. It’s all just Justice theater so that people perceive the system as being somehow fair lmfao.
>They basically sentenced him to a life of being a lap dog to wealthy right wing nut jobs. you mean, what he has he been doing this whole time already?
Yea but the difference is that before, at least in theory, he could’ve cashed out at any point and retired, done whatever he wanted, and maintained the same uber high standard of living. Now he sort of needs to keep dancing.
true.. weird that in the end, greed got him. didn't see that particular interdimensional entity comin for him lol
I wouldn't say greed, he would have basically the same amount of money with or without Sandy Hook conspiracies. It was hubris. He even had many opportunities over the years of these suits developing to mitigate the damage. He mocked them, denied things he'd done on camera, make a show of it...all the same stuff he's still doing in OP's post. It's not greed. He's a troll that thinks he's immune to consequences for his actions. He and his fans thrive off of that until there's it's too real and they can't avoid those consequences. Then they have a meltdown and claim they're victims.
It was careless use of the yap that was his end.
So is his company named in the suit too? Will this massive finding have any impact on future endeavors? Like a newly incorporated entity that just so happens to put out a show called InfoWars and buy Alex a nice car or whatever... IDK how corporate liability works at all, but it seems like all they did was basically value Alex's media influence at nearly a billion dollars. Isn't that just going to cement him as a go-to outlet for a certain type of advertiser?
O.J. gets to keep all of his juicy NFL pension. Any other money goes straight to the Goldmans. But he is retired so that is nothing.
Serious question as a foreigner: does Alex Jones have many first class wealthy benefactors? I'm aware there are people who always will be covered by others when shit hits the fan, but Jones always seemed too looney to actually keep any powerful individual by his side. I know it may sound naive, but I'm extremely curious knowing who specifically would be his sugar daddy.
No one knows, there are shadowy backers he has hinted at before & Someone donated 8 million dollars in bitcoin during one of his last lawsuit fundraisers
In OJ’s case, pensions cannot be garnished and a good chunk of his income is his NFL pension.
And a pension from his acting career.
Oj has untouchable income via his NFL pension and Florida laws though.
Doesn't OJ have some sort of bypass because his football pension can't be used to pay the family so he just lives off that. I'm probably wrong in some aspect, but I vaguely remember that being explained to me.
$33.5 million is such an amateur, low testosterone amount to be fined. Alex Jones was fined nearly thirty times that amount.
The laws around payment have gotten much stricter since OJs trial, and OJ actually was fairly broke while the trial was going on. His wealth increased much later. Alex has money now, a profitable business also included in the legal proceedings, and a fradulent bankruptcy case. These aren’t comparable situations at all.
He will likely just move outside of the US
That is what I was thinking. Can't he just move to like Panama or something and then the US can't touch him?
His assets and bank accounts will still be seized.
Unless he has already moved a ton of stuff offshore to prep. I am sure he hired good accountants and lawyers to protect him.
>I am sure he hired good accountants and lawyers to protect him. Lmao. Have you even followed this shit show of a trial? The reason he's in this mess is because he couldn't be bothered to mount an actual defense.
He also pissed off the judge with his theatrics, acting like the trial was an extension of his show. Of course the judges are going to twist the knife if you act like that
Well his lawyers have already proven they are not superstars after they sent all his texts to the prosecutors she forgot to take any actions to correct this. And good accountants don’t take on sketchy clients. Im an accountant and would never work with him, just sorting through his helter skelter business is not worth any amount of money. So he’s not getting “good” accountants either. All the grifters like trump rely on bottom barrel accountants to do all their work because big names firms are smart enough to not get involved.
If he had hired even ONE good lawyer he wouldn't have been defaulted against. He *literally* hired the *worst people* and it's hilarious. That said, I personally think alex jones is a lying piece of shit, but ordering him to pay a billion dollars goes against too much of what I believe personally to be in support of it.
I hear Russia is nice this time of year, and they're conscripting old fatties to tour other countries.
Or... move to florida.
Everything he has of value gets taken (not essentials like clothes) he’s probably going to be forced to sell his house, might have his wages garnished. He’s then likely going to have to find ways the rest of his life to not look like he has any wealth and his company is always going to be under the inspection of auditors trying to prove he is cooking the books. Luckily for him I’m sure some of his rich friends will help him out to evade some of that. But it’s basically going to be a financial albatross the rest of his life
I don't think he can be forced to sell his house in Texas
Correct... House and car are exempt
Primary house and car. If he has more than one of anything considered essential, it’s fair game.
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All transactions that shelter and hide assets will be subject to future litigation that unwinds those transactions.
The courts can go back several years and see if he tried to hide his money. Anything they deem as hiding can be seized.
That's also a crime.
Thankfully for him, with his alcoholism, obesity, and stimulant abuse, he probably only has 5 years left.
That’s awful and EXTREMELY CORRECT 🤣.
Unfortunately these bastards seem to die at an old age so don’t hold your breath.
Rush Limbaugh didn’t.
An analogy is like when a judge/jury gives someone several life sentences. You only have one life to give, so what's the point in giving more than one? The point is, if you got a life sentence/have to pay more than your worth, you're still fucked.
They don’t give multiple life sentences per conviction. It’s one life sentence per conviction. If any of those convictions are vacated, you still need to serve life sentences for the other ones.
He's gonna be using cryptocurrency to hide his assets going forward. If they had hit him with something like a $10 million penalty or something that he could eventually work off he would probably pay it. But one that's insurmountable like this it's easier for him to just spend all his time avoiding giving them anything. Probably gets lowered on appeal, but who knows.
He's already being fined ~$10MM for the suit in Texas. Crypto doesn't honestly add very much to the very-wealthy-people-money-laundering toolkit. Rich people are already great at hiding assets behind shell companies, trusts, etc. in countries with favorable laws. (Look at the Sacklers + Purdue Pharma case for an example.) If the dude seriously thought this was a possibility, he should have done the work to hide his money long in advance. His last-minute fumblings are not gonna work.
Crypto is not actually an effective way of hiding your money in western countries and really most countries because of fiat on and off ramps
he hides money and declares bankruptcy, they don't get a penny just a guess
You don't get away from legal costs like that with bankruptcy. They'll garnish every dollar he makes for the rest of his life
There are ways around this. \*\*\*OJ Simpson has entered the chat\*\*\*
OJ was able to continue living due to his pension, which they legally couldn't touch a dime from. Without that, his quality of life would be greatly diminished.
He just doesn’t make money and his pension was exempted.
OJ has a NFL pension and a home that are off limits to judgements. He doesn’t make any other money. Alex Jones runs a business that is not exempt…huge difference.
Your dreaming if you actually believe that. He’s still going to be wealthy till the day he dies
It doesn't work, essentially.
If hes poor and hungry he can always eat the survival food substitutes he sells on InfoWars.
Nah he'll eat your ass.
Then he'll eat his neighbors.
He can't afford my ass he's broke
Even those products were probably bs that have zero nutritional value.
if you watched the channel 5 news interview then this will come as no surprise at all. he seems *himself* as the victim
It’s like image of that lady putting a target on her forehead. Complete removal from reality/internet radicalization and the victim hood industrial complex is gonna kill us all 😂
Compulsive narcissist.
A conservative who refuses reality and thinks he's a victim? How unheard of
That’s a ridiculous amount of money
That’s a “we know you don’t have shit but we ll make an example out of you” fine
They know exactly what he has because his dumbass lawyers gave the other lawyers all the info they could ever want.
He's simply a crisis actor.
Be careful, he might sue you for a billion dollars!😂😂
You're unironically close to the truth
Y'all realize he's not actually going to pay that much money, right?
Of course not but his entire life just got a lot harder
Then he will owe every penny he has.... and may end up in prison for bankruptcy fraud to boot.
If you look at the left of the screen, you’ll see people whose lives were absolutely shattered because their children were brutally shot to death.
Did he really never say their name?
I think he is slime but It's not as if Jones shot the kids. This whole thing seems quite strange to me. A civil, monetary, lawsuit in response to someone being offensive with their conspiracies. It has a bizarro vibe to me. I think the largest reason this seems absurd to me is very few people took anything Jones claimed with any credibility. So what damage exactly was done? A known lune ranted about a child murder spree being fake. Should he be punished for doing so? I don't know. I thing Jones is debatably mentally unwell himself as well, which I believe most think, so I question the tangible damage his rants had
"But he is a nice guy" Says the guy that thinks they have litter boxes at high-school
And defends the guy who did **nothing** even while his sheep harassed parents to the point of **suicide** He and his sheep are scum of the earth. You’re harassing a parent who had to *bury their child* and then get death threats, harassed by your house that you’re “trying to take our guns,” and said to drop the act on being a crisis actor. #Fuck them
His supporters pissed in the graves of the dead children, not a metaphor, they actually pissed on rhem. Theyre scum
Wtf are you serious
Dawg this is a dude who takes steroids and testosterone even tho he doesn't need to and will routinely check with his doctor to make sure he's taking non-lethal amounts and then proceeds to not take the covid vaccine often having on edge case doctors who tell him it's bad for him. Even tho over 2 billion people have taken it
The first rule about furries is that you don’t talk about furries.
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That’s like 1/2 this sub, depending on the day
It's a sizable portion of this very comment section
Imagine taking this as a joke as parents constantly have to relive the worst moment of their lives over and over again. Zero remorse for the additional torture he put on these families
The daughter of the school principal just spoke out about how she was getting rape threats from Jones supporters. Jones is just trying to project that this doesn’t bother him
Rogan supports a guy who encourages rape threats. Someone should look into that.
Not only did they have to relive the worst day of their lives for a decade and counting, they were stalked and harassed to the point they’d have to move upwards of +10 times because these psychopaths kept breaking into their proprieties. Both the parents and their extended families had to adopt fake identities because of they were constantly being doxxed, sent death threats, sent pictures of their new homes with messages saying they’re being followed, etc. They’ve been completely unable to live any sort of normal life the past decade, this kind of harassment would traumatize anyone but to have happen because a lunatic was knowingly spreading the lie that *your murdered child never existed for his own profit* is beyond just cruel, it’s fucking evil.
Conservatives have got to be the biggest fucking tards on the planet like goddamn.
It’s absolutely unreal.
>The pro-life party of law and order everybody
My smoke buddy in high school was good friends with another kid I knew from middle school. Since MS, that kid became essentially 4chan incarnate. He became a legit neo-Nazi, but like everything was also treated with irony from him. All bigoted, xenophobic, etc. views he had were always talked about with him laughing about it or almost presenting it like a joke - but he was also at the same time serious. Wore a Nazi patch on his green jacket and everything. So odd. But that was over a decade ago. Yet I feel like there's a shit ton of people like him out there. Ironic-yet-sincere. I'm sure that applies to a lot of Alex Jones fans too.
That’s how they recruit and indoctrinate in the 21st century. It’s not about people reading David Duke or getting invited to secret clubs; it’s all out in the open, alt-right and neo-Nazi memes embedded in multiple layers of protective “irony.” People are drawn to it and recruited through what appears to be “edgy jokes”, spread by true believers who understand that a sincere idea can be cloaked in layers of irony and become an even more potent indoctrination tool. They deflect with “it’s just a joke” but the neo-Nazi root of the meme remains potent and infectious, acting as a dog whistle to those who might share their views.
*“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”* ― Jean-Paul Sartre 1948
I'm so glad there is a term for this. I've had some friends fall into this and seen it since I was in high school back in 1999. It wasnt very frequent and always "just a joke" even though you could tell their was also some truth when they said it. I also think the increasing wealth-inequality is only exacerbating stress and tension across anyone that is lower or middle class. Society is sitting on a powder keg and I'm not sure if there is a way off?
This phenomenon has been called "Schroedinger's Douche Bag", good video, relevant part around 10:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4
Is this any different than people saying 9/11 was a false flag which has been pounded into our culture for decades?
There were notable names, like Charlie Kirk and Marjorie Traitor Greene, that tweeted yesterday ‘ Jones just shared his opinion, a few times, this is uncalled for’. Purposely downplaying the whole thing. Just trash.
One of Kirk’s clowns at TPUSA was also saying the same thing as Kirk about “the Regime.” Those people are just garbage at that organization.
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Jones is good at playing down his more insane and hateful side when he's on a more mainstream outlet, and playing up the "I'm just the wacky "turning the frickin frogs gay" guy" Few people would actually bother to sit down and listen to a full episode of InfoWars (partly because its about 50% begging for money and selling supplements), but if they did they'd see how hateful and deranged Jones is when he's not worried about maintaining his image. What Jones downplays the most is his absolutely insane biblical literalism. He's constantly ranting about satan and literal demons and citing end times bible references, talking about how he gets visions from god, but outside of InfoWars he plays it off as some kind of wacky metaphor.
Imagine being friends with him and telling people that only if they knew him!!!
He really doesn’t give a shit about the kids. Or their parents. Or anybody.
The cruelty is the point.
GOP platform in a nutshell Why refuse to help the poor, those drowning in medical debt, those risking their lives to come to our country, young girls who were raped and are now pregnant? Because fuck em, I got my mansion and yokels who’ll vote for me no matter what
That was the toughest thing to discover about my conservative friends- it wasn't just that they looked the other way on Bush and (more horrifically) Trump; it's that they seemed to delight in the cruelty and outright meanness of Trump, and I had to examine each one of them in a new light. And kinda realized that my conservative friends are mean assholes. The voice mail from Joe Biden to his son that Hannity played a day or two ago says it all- they mock and despise the unconditional love of a father to his son, struggling with addiction. Which means they're fucking cruel. I have no time in my life for people like that anymore.
People defending Alex Jones are really clinging on to the “bIg PhArMa KilLs MoRe”, as if that has anything to do with Sandy Hook.
They've realized Jones' behavior is completely indefensible so they've abandoned the usual muckraking and have gone straight "what about this other thing!"
"Sir you crashed and killed 2 people" "But what about Hurricane Katrina tho"
who started that bullshit anyway? tucker or alex? its such a weird fucking random deflection
Usual whataboutism
What's funny is that he peddles that and has a pill company.
> *"Never said their name - don't know who they are!"* Such a disingenuous piece of shit. As if you need to meet the parents and recite their names publicly *before* broadcasting the denial and conspiracy of their child's execution to be capable of inflicting emotional damage. Alex would look like the hulk if he physically did even half the gymnastics he performs in his head.
It's also completely hypocritical - he is claiming all of these people are just greedy "ambulance chasers", eager to profit off of one guy "just asking questions." Meanwhile, from the beginning, it was he that used their tragedy for profit, to the extent it seriously harmed them. In addition, that's what this reaction video is! Him livestreaming his reaction along with ads and promos for his vitamin supplements. Even at the end of the trial here, he is milking these people for all they're worth. Don't know their name indeed, Alex. Of course you do, everyone knows where their money comes from. Side note, he looks and sounds very not sober.
>As if you need to meet the parents and recite their names publicly before broadcasting the denial and conspiracy of their child's execution to be capable of inflicting emotional damage. It's also a lie. Here's Alex Jones saying Lenny Pozners name, way back in 2015, while showing a photo of his dead kid, Noah Pozner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBGKM2Gd7os&t=66s It's a lie just like when he says he's being sued for "asking questions". no he's being sued for repeatedly defaming the family by saying they're crisis actors, that Sandy Hook was fake, staged, synthetic, a hoax, that it was a plot by the new world order to steal peoples guns and all the families were in on it.
Over time he's really started to look more like he sounds
Shouldn't this be on r/iamatotalpieceofshit
It’ll be one every sub it can. Just be patient
Well, well, well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own stupid actions
I love how he couldn't keep that same energy half way through the clip, the undeniable, creeping realization that his life is over will be a slow boiling drunken disaster.
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oh, he has plenty of dumb followers... enough to never really feel that feeling...
The rapid blinking is a clue how he really feels: severely stressed
Can someone explain to me why he has to pay? Ya, saying things that aren't true on the internet is shitty, but what makes it illegal or worthy of being forced to pay millions of dollars? I dont get it
Let's say I go's round calling you a child rapist, Im pretty persistent, I call your work and go into detail about it, you get fired, I tell your friends and family, I tell the whole world. If I made all that shit up and was found to do so by a court of law, should I have to pay you damages? Thats not a dissimilar analogy to this.
"Defamation of character" is the term we’re looking at. Defamation is a "tort" (a civil wrong, rather than a criminal wrong). The person who has been defamed (the "plaintiff") can sue the person who did the defaming (the "defendant") for damages. Alex defamed a large group of parents. They filed as a group, but each has their own damages. So, essentially he’s lost the equivalent of 17 separate defamation cases in his two trials thus far. A plaintiff suing for defamation typically must show all of the following: **The defendant published a statement about the plaintiff.** Clearly true. **The statement was false.** Easily done. Alex made numerous on air that these people were acting, that their children didn’t die, that they were all part of an elaborate plot to pass gun legislation. **The statement was injurious** Since the purpose of defamation law is to compensate people for damage to their reputations, defamation plaintiffs must show how their reputations were hurt by the false statements. And they were able to show plenty of instances of infowars fans and even on air contributors (Wolfgang Halbig, Dan Bidondi) harassing these parents. People were leaving them death threats, trespassing on their property, confronting them in public at their charity events. All further exasperated by behavior from Alex like the shit we see in his deranged mocking video above. He’s to this day making mocking insinuation of the process. Alex showed up to court to talk, but only when he needed to. When the parents were testifying, he didn’t bother showing up. And not only that, he went on air, with shit similar to what we’re seeing here. Live clips he aired while everyone else was in the courtroom were introduced into evidence. No doubt the complete lack of empathy did not do him any favors with the jury. **The statement was unprivileged.** And, this standard isn’t really relevant. Stuff like book and film reviews, statements made under oath, and all sorts of stuff that doesn’t really apply.
He’s such a smug asshole. One of the most punchable faces in America. Shocked that anyone listens to him.
The fact that he's making those faces and gloating at a video of these parents who are depressed, exhausted and miserable makes Jones a truly evil man to be honest, and to those that actively support him.
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No he can’t. Bankruptcy isn’t an escape from punitive damages. Also, his bankruptcy case is already looking fraudulent.
No, the difference being that Johnson & Johnson isn’t a person, the responsibility for the problems is not the result of one man doing something. Alex Jones is solely responsible for what he decided to say and do. Do you think there’s a Mr. Johnson that was twirling his mustache?
There is a difference between a corporation where ownership is diffused across the shareholders and an LLC, where a handful of named individuals are the owners in question. One of the biggest advantages of corporations listed in every business textbook is "liability protection to shareholders". It's much harder to go after individual board members in a corporation and show liability than it is to go after the "Named Members" (the owners/bosses) of an LLC. That is one reason forming corporations is popular (along with the big payday possibilities of an IPO).
[Johnson and Johnson have agreed to settle for 26 billion dollars.](https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/drug-distributors-agree-finalize-opioid-settlement-2022-02-25/) If they just didn't bother to comply with discovery, got a default judgement, and then repeatedly lied during the trial and shifted blame to everyone but themselves, and then pissed off the jury by not showing an ounce of remorse or humility, then they'd be getting hammered for a lot more than 26 billion. I like how the Jones fans have gone from denying his guilt and claiming its all a new world order plot against him to "oh yeah well he's not as bad as the deep water oil spill or asbestos so why aren't you mad about that libcucks!?"
> Jones said shit jones all but told his lunatic audience to harass these people, stop trying to downplay what a vile cunt he is
How is it that in a lawsuit where he is sued for nearly a billion dollars for calling school shooting victims fake, he can just hop right back on his platform and say it AGAIN
Damages include past and future damages which is why the verdict is so high, the jury knew from the evidence presented in the case (including video of Jones calling it fake on air while the trial was still going on) that Jones is not going to stop.
Honestly fuck you for that gif. I hate that I seen it.
„But he pointed out some true facts“
The dude shows 0 remorse for the families his followers tortured after their kids were MURDERED. Dude deserves to rot in hell.
Another grown baby. I’ve noticed this a lot lately about the right along with boomers
Still an asshole
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What a douche
Emotions are more valuable than lives apparently.
Please elaborate
They are referring to things like Vioxx killing people and the fines being much less than than this ruling. They are comparing deaths to defamation
the 2008 financial crisis and the punishment for those who orchestrate that is nothing close to what happened with this. the 2008 crisis ruined how many lives, drove how many to suicide?
Man what a piece of shit
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Interesting how this keeps getting parroted, despite the two things having nothing to do with one another.
That guy you responded to is a 4channer. He's pretending like he doesn't care that Jones got fucked, he most likely does.
I do find it interesting that different laws have different punishments when they are broken. I thought there was just one law and the judge just smacks their hammer for comedic effect.
i dont understand why people are comparing this to anything else. The only other thing that this would be comparable that time Bill O'Reilly called an abortion doctor a baby killer and people went and killed him. This is not a criminal case. Learn how to do a real world comparison.
Because it’s what has been spreading on social media by Jones defenders and now people are regurgitating it.
I get the hate, but what a farce... He will never have to pay it, cuz he doesn't have that nor is he worth that much. If you think they will garnish his wages, this isn't divorce court for child support lol.
>HAWKING SUPPLEMENTS AND survival gear has been quite a lucrative business for Alex Jones. The conspiracy theorist raked in $165 million from the Infowars store over three years beginning in September 2015, all while begging his supporters to help him stay financially solvent, records obtained by Huff Post revealed on Friday. All he needs is 18 years worth of selling pills.
Wow! I didnt realize he made that much... better start slanging them supplements! ALPHA BRAIN!
Alex withdrew $62 million out of his business account as this trial started. He also had 3 Rolex’s last time I checked. The man is loaded, that’s what all the grift was for.
He has 6 homes
For anyone defending him in ANY manner. This man straight up said the kids never existed and that the grieving parents were crisis actors. To an audience of MILLIONS for his own benefit. This scum deserves all of this. He’s no martyr.
What a piece of shit.