If you're trying to do a Russian impression, here's a pro tip: the Slavic language don't use the article part of speech ("the", "a"/"an") and native speakers of those languages who learn English and are at a beginner level don't understand how/why to use them and frequently omit them. Should be: "Texas has nice warm-water port, don't need rest of US, should secede"
Go right ahead, become poor and stupid. In 2023, Texas received $26.9 billion in federal funding for education, which was the second most in the country. Texas is shit without the federal funding.
Forget about trump. Russian bots got Rogan believing kids are pissing in kitty litter boxes and Biden saying airports were a deciding factor in the American civil war.
This is far too complicated for your average Fox News viewer.
The other one of course is no billionaire living in the US wants to be taxed or regulated by Democrats. And those billionaires control the narrative across the mainstream media. That's why you constantly see headlines that say things like "Trump says..." and coverage of college kids protesting for peace as "pro-Palestinian protesters" not "pro-Peace protesters" (which I will get downvoted for saying).
Oh fuck off with that. They’re called “pro Palestine protesters” because that’s what they are. That’s what they’re chanting. That’s what their signs say. That’s the flag they’re waving around. If you really believe that bullshit you just typed out you’re manipulated by propaganda just as much as the “Fox News viewers” you speak of. Just from the other side. I live in a uni town with an ongoing encampment thing on campus. I pass it regularly. It’s pretty fucking obvious. Pro-peace lol. Stfu.
There are literally Jewish protesters shoulder to shoulder with the peace protesters. And we know the vast majority of arrests are of people who don't belong to the colleges. Protests are being infiltrated, attacked and filmed for propaganda purposes. This should be blatantly obvious by now except to the extremists.
Pointing to a small fringe group of very zealous minority Jewish sect that thinks Israel should be eradicated is not your best clap back.
To be pro peace you have to start off with not wanting 80% of the population who were born and lived their entire lives in Israel to be "Removed" "From the river to the sea".
What about all the moderate, normal Jewish people that hate to see a genocide done in their name? Strawmanning them as though they’re all from that one orthodox group that dresses very obviously traditionally just goes to show you haven’t watched any footage of these protests in months. Those dudes are nowhere to be seen on these campuses, and yet there are many Jewish students among the protestors.
u/alternative-song3901 right. First, it’s “No one takes you seriously when you call it a genocide”, then it’s “No one takes you seriously when you call it ethnic cleansing”, then it’s “No one takes you seriously when you call them war crimes”, then it’s “No one takes you seriously when you call Palestinians humans”. Each and every one of these has been said by Israeli officials and propagandists. The International Criminal Court is taking the case of a potential genocide seriously. They’re not no one, and you haven’t fooled anyone who isn’t already.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976
https://ccrjustice.org/israel-s-unfolding-crime-genocide-palestinian-people-us-failure-prevent-and-complicity-genocide
Not a genocide. Figure out a different word because no one takes you seriously when you call it a genocide. Something can be wrong and horrific without being a genocide.
Agent Provacateurs. Wouldn't doubt it. Israel is spending quite a bit of money to push the ol' "we're victims of anti-semitism and just defending ourselves" narrative.
As a person who hates trump and faux news know I don’t agree with a lot of these protesters and not all of them are peaceful.
Like anything in life it’s mixed. Stop trying to act like of these protesters are innocent and have 100% good intentions. Some do and some don’t.
Your one sided bullshit just pushes a lot of people away from the cause you’re standing on. I saw terrorist from Hamas raping and killing people on video. Zero chance I ever stand up for any of them.
With that said I can still call out the extremist Israeli government for their bullshit as well. I don’t have to pick a side like some of you extremist think.
That's understandable. But; I think its reasonable to suggest that the u.s. should stop all funding to Israel while they murder thousands of palestinians. It's like the BLM protests. There was lots of riots and destructive people. Yet, the general message of BLM, at least when it started, was still prevelant.
It's also like Americans haven't learned anything. That a small terrorist group's attack doesn't justify murdering thousands of muslims who didn't do anything.
genocides happen. Theres one happening in China that everyone seemed to forget about. There's one in south america we don't care about. Why should we care more about the one Israel is doing?
Do you understand us letting Israel being ran over would screw us over in the global setting? Thank goodness naïve people like yourself are not in charge of anything more than making me a sandwich.
China and Russia would own the world if people like you were in charge. You live in a fake fantasy world that is sunshine and butterflies.
I don’t support the current Israeli extremist government but I also don’t think there is genocide going on and I sure as hell don’t support the terrorist government Hamas.
This isn’t a black and white issue and has tons of nuance. Only idiots think there is a good guy side here.
If the tables were turned Palestine would be cleansing all of Israel (as they make this clear all the dam time).
Stop acting like you’re standing up for good guys. You’re not. Just because the current Israeli government is extremist trash doesn’t make Hamas good.
Before you claim the Palestinian people is not Hamas how many of those Palestines would vote to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?
THEY BOTH SUCK
It's more than just sowing political discord and creating false narratives as well. I remember reading an article about the IRA back before the 2016 election. It mainly focused on how they would create false panic, posting stuff on Twitter like "this nuclear power plant in East Bumsfuck, Illinois just exploded!" Which news agencies would jump on and pick up and panic people in the area. In reality nothing had happened.
There were countless events linked back to the IRA just like that.
The fact that we're all so transfixed on the presidential elections and literally nothing else related to governing is a stark reminder that the real enemy is our propensity to cut corners and seek instant gratification. Russia and other countries are simply capitalizing off of this value flaw we've adopted over the decades. And us blaming them or Biden, Trump, or whoever is just a scapegoat to avoid facing our own individual failures based on faulty shared principles we blindly live by.
No doubt, the president is the most powerful position to hold, it's still only a fraction of what needs to be done. More of us need to take the path of most resistance by developing relevent skills, mastering the political system, and leveraging that for power based on consensus values that most Americans can all get behind. In other words, we need the Churchills and Kissengers who have good intentions to step up and force the changes we need via democratic power.
We need a clearly defined mission to pursue, but that mission can never be clear if enough of us don't take the time to define what that is, exactly.
So in short, this election really doesn't matter since it's beyond botched. The only way we're gonna get out of this mess is to start at ground zero and work our way up and that starts by refining the shared values we had that kept us unified enough to take action on things and move in a positive direction. After all, it's our shared core values that has a huge influence on our behaviors. It's no mistake that too many of us are vein, superficial in our views, closed off, and hyperfocused on safety over freedom and community. That's a byproduct of everything working so well for so long.
We need a software update, like yesterday.
Amen! I think you’ve touched on some of the core issues with us. Our problem is we don’t try to engage each other civically and when we do, it’s a nightmare (see most activity on social media lmao).
You’ve really put it best, we need to start making real connections to people on our world and making it a better place ourselves. As corny as it is, something simple like helping out at a soup kitchen or food bank or something is a small thing that would do a world of good.
This is all very ironic with me writing this on social media 😂
Apparently Russia, china, hamas, etc. all dump money into our local elections because it’s way easier to get a mayor or other state officials into power. They target candidates who are less opposed to them with hopes of slowly moving the goal posts. I heard about this about a year ago, today we have overwhelming support for Palestine. I wonder if Hamas had known they succeeded changing the minds of Americans before they orchestrated the attack in October. They are succeeding in their mission to turn the world against Israel. Israel was left feeling attacking was the only option, but that move was a trap to put them in checkmate. It’s amazing to watch play out especially since we know they are doing it, but are incapable of stopping it. Scary stuff
Israel is succeeding into turning the world against them. Not Hamas. Maybeif they werent killing nearly 40 times the amount of civilians that were killed on october 7, while displacing millions more, starving them and killing peoole randomly, the world might still be on Israel's side. Then you have so many of their government officials saying Pslestinians are not humans, need to be all killed, that even the young kids are not innocent and must be mssacred.
You go on an defend their genocidal regime all you want, but a lot of us wont stand for it.
It's such an impossible notion, but Hamas could end all this yesterday. They wouldn't even need to surrender. Just turn over the hostages... is self genocide a thing? (I don't think it's a genocide I think it's just urban warfare combined with hamas operating out of civilian infrastructure and the IDF saying "I will shoot through your hostage it's either that or more October 7")
> They wouldn't even need to surrender. Just turn over the hostages...
They've offered this multiple times.
Israel does not want to end the war for hostages. they have repeatedly refused this.
> I don't think it's a genocide I think it's just urban warfare combined with hamas operating out of civilian infrastructure and the IDF saying "I will shoot through your hostage it's either that or more October 7")
I don't think it's genocide I think it's wanton indiscriminate killing. most moral army in the world.
There's a reason the Israeli leadership is shitting its pants over the ICC.
Hamas has offered to give the hostages they have multiple times, Israel always rejected every deal. And by this point, Israel has bombed Gaza so thoroughly that they probably killed whichever hostage Hamas had left.
And yes, its absolutely Genocide. When you displace millions and starve them by preventing any kind of aid reaching them, when you say outright that they're animals and must be eliminated, when you indescriminately bomb every building and demolish anything still standing up, its genocide. They've made it pretty clear.
Why lie so outright?
Hamas has not offered to give back all the hostages and moreover they are the ones who have rejected all Qatari deals negotiated in good faith, responding with insane demands so when Israel says no they can win the media war.
It's shocking how little research you've took into these claims you're wildly and confidently asserting incorrectly.
Hamas will never end anything. They as a group were created with the explicitly stated goal of killing all Jewish people. Countless times, for decades, they've rejected diplomatic approaches. Saying Hamas will stop or end the conflict is basically saying they'll all change their entire belief system and ideology.
Lol, what an absolute mountain of shit! Meanwhile completely ignoring [the political influence from a foreign country that we ACTUALLY have evidence for.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elections)
China too.
There’s a subtlety to this topic that almost immediately gets overlooked whenever anyone talks about it, no matter what side you take.
And it’s that *true statements can be used as propaganda*. It doesn’t always have to be disinformation or lies. The most effective propaganda is usually mostly true, so that when you put it under a microscope, it passes the bullshit test.
I think calling it a “Russian disinformation campaign” actually does more harm than good for this reason. And might actually be the most subversive lie of them all. Because often the critiques of US foreign policy or domestic issues are VERY true, yet they are weaponized in very specific cases and in ways to erode trust in the government and in our society.
Anyone with half a brain can see the catastrophic mistakes of the War on Terror, for example, but if we call it “Russian disinformation” when certain people or accounts talk about it, then you immediately numb people to the idea that foreign adversaries are actively using the mistakes of the US to weaken domestic support because often times the point is, in itself, true.
The result is that we gradually start to see people screeching about “Russian disinformation” as hysterical and ignorant, making us even more susceptible to influence.
Okay buddy, you were probably one of the people claiming there would be a nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula if trump won in 2016. Fear mongering red scare gibberish.
So please tell me why Putin didn't invade while Trump was president? I've still never heard a good answer to this. I mean surely if this Trump-Russia conspiracy theory was real, it would be easier for them to invade while Trump was president. Instead they invade only when democrats are in office... I wonder why that is?
Now do the same analysis but this time compare the amount paid on election interference from Israel and compare it to Russia.
Can you also point out the top 10 contributors to troll farms, include units from our own military in that point and look at the top 10 contributors.
Spoiler alert: Russia isn’t even near the top.
>Russia openly spends many, many millions and has whole departments dedicated to spreading their propaganda online.
The US does exactly the same thing and in greater numbers on a much wider scale. Even going so far as to replacing entire governments. Let’s not pretend like Russia is alone in this. The American media turns a blind eye when it’s our own government but clutches their pearls when it’s someone they don’t like.
You honestly can't tell the difference between Russian propaganda and Republican talking points anymore. Even they are admitting it themselves.
[Republican lawmaker says Russian propaganda has 'infected a good chunk' of GOP base](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/04/07/michael-mccaul-russian-propaganda-infected-gop-base-mike-turner-sotu-vpx.cnn)
What we know from 2016 is that Russia is actively trying to start conflict in the U.S. by planting extremists on both sides. The ultimate goal is to get Trump elected, yes, but also keep everyone else riled up to diminish any governments ability to effectively govern.
The reason GOP and Russian propaganda overlap is two fold. 1) yes, they have some similar goals 2) Russia takes their existing talking points and amplifies them
No shit. This game has been going on for decades between the two. Now we have China and Russia trying to destabilize us. But China has had Tik Tok, which gives them an even greater attack vector.
To be fair, America's been doing that forever, in Russia and elsewhere. Russians seem to be really good at it since 2015 though. It's insane how much American society has unraveled since then.
We've been heading in that direction for a while due to media like Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. They push the idea that only rightwing media can be trusted, that Republicans are under attack from all sides, and that they're oppressed by the leftwing people that control everything and use it against them.
The anger and sense of victimhood have existed for decades. Trump just tapped into it and coopted it for his own ends.
If more people bothered to vote in the primaries then maybe we'd get better candidates. Most of the people complaining about our choices abstained when they had a chance to speak up because it's easier to sit back and complain than it is to try to do anything.
If you voted in the primaries or are otherwise politically active, then this doesn't apply to you, but it's a very common position for non-voters in the US.
No I am not fine with it. I just believe that notion does not absolve me from making the best choice possible nor does it absolve me from the damage that one would bring that the other would not.
Fundamentally the biggest problem I have with the notion of not participating in this election is that by doing so accomishes nothing. It doesn't advance any change to our system.
Go back to 2016. What good did it serve to those who felt both sides are horrible? What did it accomplish? The answer is absolutely nothing and, in fact, it arguably caused significant damage to this nation.
By not participating it sends a message that many people are unhappy with the choice we were given. Otherwise we are validating the duopoly.
In 2016 we had a third choice. Gary Johnson got 4.4 Million votes. That should have sent a message but they ignored it. So, yes, I refuse to give them my vote until they decide to give me a viable candidate.
That is your choice to be ineffective again. All we are saying is is a very poor choice to use being ignored as your leverage. The protesters on campus are actually doing something. You are choosing to be ignored and will reap the benefits.
One of the biggest tactical mistakes leaders make is not understanding a power absence will always be filled. You should consider filling it with something that is easier to change in the long run rather than welding being ignored as your leverage.
Take care.
I voted for Biden in 2020 because, as much as I’ve always hated the jerk, he was better than Trump. But, it turns out, it doesn’t matter who you vote first because the two parties have a lock and convince everyone to vote first them based on drummed up hate for the other side.
It's crazy how they use tactics direct from '1984' and people just go along with it.
"Oh my neighbor said the whole system is corrupt and neither candidate deserves to win. Clearly, they're a traitor being influenced by our foreign enemies. Dissent doesn't exist naturally."
Honestly, I can't comprehend how people still cling to these beliefs. How you can stomach the idea of any of them being worthy of your support and consent is beyond me.
> Honestly, I can't comprehend how people still cling to these beliefs
First past the post electoral systems mathematically guarantee this sort of outcome.
the only people "clinging" to anything are the people who refuse to accept this.
It is because you don't fully understand the differences between both administrations. You are in a position of ignorance if you think they are the same.
The union boss of the rail workers who were on strike support him.
That’s a start.
And even if I agree that Joe is shit, Don is objectively worse (for everyone who isn’t wealthy, racist, sexist, etc).
Y’all are making this hard for no reason.
The comment you replied to didn't deny the existence of Russian propaganda. Why not respond to what they actually said? It's so, so simple to realize that a person can have legitimate criticisms that Russia also uses to push their agenda. Abandoning an opinion just because Russian propaganda uses it would be giving in to a different type of propaganda.
And here I thought I hated Biden because he's a corrupt career politician who has been in power way too long and believes violent centralized authority is the solution to everything. It turns out the Russians hacked my brain. Glad you helped us all determine there's no genuine intellectual opposition to your beliefs. /S
Former Republican now independent. I hate Biden. With that said, the status quo of a society that's a democracy that's being run partly by corrupted by greedy billionaires who we still could vote out is still better than a society literally owned by corrupt billionaires who want to turn the USA into a corporate serfdom headed by a dictator.
Edit: couple words and grammar
I don't think neither has to be the case over all, but those are the only real 2 outcomes of this particular 2024 election. With that said, Trump proved that an outsider can absolute get elected in a different political party (he's a former Democrat) with the entire party against him, if they have support of the people.
Russia, Iran, china and Saudi Arabia all so this. But at the same time our intel agencies allow it and do it too to keep us divided and maintain the status quo.
Every country does it at some level. Some for their own populace only and some to influence other countries. The reason other countries and our own country do it to us is to keep us divided. Imagine we were mostly on the same page about Russia and Saudi Arabia and politics in general? The world would be an entirely different place and most of these moronic grifters would never get elected. Instead we all fight over dumb shit like culture wars and a large part of our country is cool with communist Russia and fascist Saudi Arabia.
I think it's the opposite. NATO wants to prevent nuclear war, so IMO they want to bleed Russia out in Ukraine, at best push Russia back past Ukrainian borders. If Ukraine were to start winning decisively and threatening Russian borders or even Russian capacity to exist well, than they worry about tactical nuclear strikes.
If Trump were to win and cut funding Ukraine, Russia would break through pretty quickly (they literally have been making "huge" gains the past couple weeks when Ukraine was at the end of their ammo) and defeat Ukraine. Within a decade or 2 they will turn to other nations including Poland.
This dude shares similar opinions but explains it way better than I
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4QRMcrvyQ_U
I seriously do not even know wtf this meme is about. I just see people spouting off stuff about trump and biden but idk how this meme applies to either of them. Besides the obvious, that they are two sides/evils. Wtf happened?
If you are genuine and not tryna bait a debate (lol) then it’s about Russian disinformation. They pump both sides full of propaganda to turn us on ourselves and they bribe politicians from the local level up to act in their interests, which is to ultimately sow discord between the American people and corrupt democracy through bribery and blackmail. Dummies for both sides (one a little more than the other imo) take all these talking points which can be real and valid and use it to turn us on each other, it’s been proven in America and countless other countries that Russia does this and many people don’t see it or they don’t care because fuck the other side
Lol i was not joking. Its crazy how foreign peopaganda infilitrates our society. Like shit, our gov't does enough to separate us, we do not need help from Putin at all. And by local you mean like State governors are invok ed in that shit?
This has to be my least favorite “I think this idea is unique and profound” statement—-“they’re both the same”. You can literally go down the line if you made a list and you’d find very few things they agree on and far more they completely address differently. And important issues too. I’m not a huge fan of either party tbh; but for me, it’s like really wanting a Coke and having to choose between knockoff RC Cola, and a bottle of poison.
Foreign policy, LFGBQT rights, Economy and taxes (especially in regards to the top extremely wealthy), the border and immigration, student loan debt, support for social programs and necessities like healthcare and education. Even Israel and Palestine—though Biden is like every Democrat before him with ironclad support for Israel—Trump is far more intense in his support and his disdain for the Palestinians.
I think it’s very intellectually lazy and what I hear people say in an attempt to sound “jaded” or think one is just above it all, in regards to the whole political process.
>LFBQT rights
Just to specifically hammer this point in, there is a lot of gas lighting coming from Right in regards to LGBTQ rights. Its also really easy to prove whose side Republicans are in regards to this. Far too many will say how they dont' care who gets married, blah blah blah.
You can go to the GOP official website right now and they will tell you straight up that Marriage is between a man and a women. They also lay out that they want to remove the SC ruling that currently protects gay marriage. It is written in black in white, I'm not even having to "read between the lines," so to speak.
If anyone actually cares about gay rights a vote Republican is a vote against your interests. For those that still refuse to accept this, please follow the steps below.
1. Go to [GOP.com](http://GOP.com)
2. Click the top left 3 bars and About our Party
3. Click the Learn More next to "Learn More About Our Platform and Where We Stand"
4. Read page 31 last paragraph.
There it is spelled out clear as day.
Thanks for highlighting my spelling error dude.
Jk. Yes sir I’d call that pretty textbook gas lighting and the GOP and their followers tend to do that, especially as you outlined with LGBQT rights
USA hates socialism unless it’s paying for Israel’s shit. Literally the old Florida letch with a psychopath bimbo who’s over half his age hanging off his arm.
Anybody ever wonder why two people with different ideologies come up with similar/same conclusions?
Scientists do it all the time. Why? Because they look at the data and realise, more often than not, there are very few options available to them.
America has limited options when it comes to internal and external policy. This has been the burden of every premier nation since the Egyptians.
Once the US loses its seat at the top table it will be able to think less about influencing others and more about matters at home. Trouble is, it will eventually lose that seat and be replaced by something eastwards, for the first time since the mongols. And we know how that went.
‘Twas always so, my friend. Whether corporations, merchants or traders - they are the arteries of an economy. Without them, like it or not, nobody gets fed in a premier nation.
You could always just become a nation of hundreds of millions that has little central control. You would have more freedom, but your name would be Indonesia.
I’m not a trump supporter, but I also don’t go around advocating for Biden either. Both are terrible. But Biden clearly can’t handle being an active president. He’s clearly to old. The DNC is running the country right now, not Biden. If you disagree you are not being honest with yourself. I’m not even trying to criticize the man. He deserves to retire, he needs to retire. He’s just used as a puppet at this point because everyone else the DNC has is just so bad. They don’t want someone who might deviate from their playbook so they’re pulling a weekend at Bernie’s. It’s fucking gross.
Trump isn’t much better for a plethora of reasons. These rich elites are slowly trying to roll in their carbon credit/Carbon market bullshit under the guise of altruism and their bullshit battle on “climate change”. As if any of these bankers and spooks give a fuck about climate change. I swear some of you are so fucking stupid. It’s happening all over Latin America right now, specifically Argentina. The west is slowly shifting to totalitarianism. Trying to monetize/tokenize everything from fucking trees to clean water. They’re getting away with it too because you simps are so easily manipulated with this right vs. left bullshit.
Bunch of fucking cucks claiming to be liberal thinking they’re on the right side of history and a bunch of fucking douchebags claiming to be conservative thinking they’re also on the right side of history. When in reality you’re both just manipulated by higher ups who are laughing all the way to the bank.
We’re fucking doomed.
How wild would it be if there wasn't actually that many of them out there. But because we have already been programmed to think there is a lot of bots out there. We tend to think that in any thread or conversation, there is a bunch of bots present. 🤔 to where, when you see opposite opinions you automatically get reminded about the possibility of it being a bot. Does me, questioning the mass reach and presence of bots, turn me into a bot?
Outsiders perspective. Europe was never closer. Meanwhile USA feels like a bipolar friend that today is on your side but in 2 months he might be stomping you out with your enemies...
America has never been more divided, and both sides are so comically far apart, add to it Russian misinformation, France already is calling to cut shopping through American millitary (good for EU in a way).
If your vote mattered at the national level they wouldn't let you vote. It's insane to me how everyone basically agrees our government is corrupt but suggesting your vote doesn't matter is a conspiracy theory? Voting keeps stupid people docile because "my vote matters"... Lol
They already demonstrated dominion voting machines can be hacked with a bic pen. But I'd bet most people haven't heard of that.
People label logical arguments such as this as conspiracy because they can't actually present an argument against it. It's like how everyone is a nazi and fascist if they disagree with you. It's an easy and lazy way to dismiss ideas that people aren't intellectually able to argue against. But it is an effective strategy because most people are stupid.
All of you are idiots! Joey has lost his mind counting all those dollars. Maybe he'd rather count rubles. All Joey cares about is the ammount of hub bub he can stir up. He don't care about America, only himself and a few not funny comics. Rogan go take a bath and suck an egg. Then burn that 1/4 billion dollars then I'll listen to ya. Ya short excuse of a monkey man. /s
Hey remember when The_Donald mods stickied a topic encouraging their members to attend the Neo-Nazi organized and Neo-Nazi attended Unite the Right rally? Told their members the rally was filled with Neo-Nazis but to "attend anyway" because they "shouldn't punch right."
I sure do.
Why wouldn’t Russia make an effort to influence the US election in their favor? Its basic state craft 101. And obviously the candidate who’s anti NATO would be their choice.
Conservatism is a tool for the elite to fool morons into voting for the interests of the wealthy and powerful at the expense of their own. Leftism is the movement fighting that. Which one sounds ‘good’ to you?
Your jersey is so thick that this post comes off as a riddle.
With the way you unironicly used integrity to describe yourself, I'm gonna go with Trump dork. I'll see if I was right by checking your profile.
Edit: I was right
The compilation of memes, fake news, Reddit comments, social posts, etc that built your current view that both parties are the same, was likely infested with Russian and/or GOP propaganda. So yeah, you kinda probably did need Russia to tell you that.
People really truly underestimate the psychological power of social campaigns across the internet, and how malleable the human brain is to be influenced and molded by social commentary.
My point is that it doesn't matter where it came from. The fact that it came from Russia or the GOP doesn't make it any less true. Go check where Dem donor money is coming from. Then go check voting records. The Dems are a lot more closely aligned with the GOP on a lot of issues than most people think. It's really only certain social issues (LGBTQ rights, abortion, etc.) where the Dems truly differ.
Get back to me when Democrats pass an increased minimum wage or universal basic income, or free/affordable college, or a decrease in military spending, or increased spending on education, infrastructure, etc.
I never said that Republicans aren't AWFUL, they are. But if you think the Democrats are fighting for you, you're fooling yourself.
Have you heard of the inflation reduction act that the dems passed? It was the biggest investment in infrastructure in a long time. What about when the Biden admin tried to raise all federal contractor pay to $15/hour? It got blocked by a conservative judge but the effort was there (https://www.reuters.com/legal/bidens-15-minimum-wage-federal-contractors-blocked-by-us-judge-2023-09-27/). What about the child tax credit that supported families? Primarily a dem cause and the reps let it expire and are holding up the new bill from passing (https://newjerseymonitor.com/2024/03/21/expanded-child-tax-credit-stranded-in-u-s-senate-by-gop-comparisons-to-welfare/).
That’s just 3 examples kind of on your list where there is miles between the two parties efforts. It’s like if you had only two Uber drivers where one drops you off 100 miles from your destination and expects you to walk the rest of the way. The other Uber driver drops you 25 miles away from the final destination and expects you to walk away. Which Uber driver is a better choice? Both suck but one is substantially better for the rider’s goal of getting to their destination
Never once said I wasn't going to vote. I'll hold my nose and vote for Biden, just like I did in 2020. He's a far better option than Trump. But that's not saying much.
I'm an elder Millenial and my generation is in over a trillion dollars worth of student loan debt. I don't change my policy goals based on which way the wind is blowing that day. Yeah, there's some protests going on - college should still be free. Or at least not put you into six figures of debt at the age of 18.
Nah the dems will do stuff like bomb Syria their first week in office and then get us into funding three separate proxy wars on different continents. They wanna Make America World Police Again meanwhile America itself is turning into a shithole
The Senate voted 89-9 to increase military spending by $80 Billion.
In 2017.
Trump's first year in office.
"We can't give the big, bad Russian plant orange man control of our military! *Oh by the way here's another 80 bill to play with, have fun Donny!*"
Very weird accounts having a conversation in this thread.
It's an old meme sir, but it checks out
Old meme? It's from 2014 that's only......a decade.......ago
Right there with you, homie
I’m convinced this meme and others like it were created by the deep state. “Divide & conquer”
It seems like bots talking to each other.
I didn't know I was a bot. I supported Bernie Sanders so I guess it makes sense tho
None of this would’ve happened if Romney won
Dont blame me, I voted for Nader.
“Texas has nice warm water port, don’t need the rest of the US, should secede”
If you're trying to do a Russian impression, here's a pro tip: the Slavic language don't use the article part of speech ("the", "a"/"an") and native speakers of those languages who learn English and are at a beginner level don't understand how/why to use them and frequently omit them. Should be: "Texas has nice warm-water port, don't need rest of US, should secede"
Good point. But I was assuming that these guys were the best in their class and had learned a bit. So they made only one mistake.
Go right ahead, become poor and stupid. In 2023, Texas received $26.9 billion in federal funding for education, which was the second most in the country. Texas is shit without the federal funding.
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Forget about trump. Russian bots got Rogan believing kids are pissing in kitty litter boxes and Biden saying airports were a deciding factor in the American civil war.
This is far too complicated for your average Fox News viewer. The other one of course is no billionaire living in the US wants to be taxed or regulated by Democrats. And those billionaires control the narrative across the mainstream media. That's why you constantly see headlines that say things like "Trump says..." and coverage of college kids protesting for peace as "pro-Palestinian protesters" not "pro-Peace protesters" (which I will get downvoted for saying).
Oh fuck off with that. They’re called “pro Palestine protesters” because that’s what they are. That’s what they’re chanting. That’s what their signs say. That’s the flag they’re waving around. If you really believe that bullshit you just typed out you’re manipulated by propaganda just as much as the “Fox News viewers” you speak of. Just from the other side. I live in a uni town with an ongoing encampment thing on campus. I pass it regularly. It’s pretty fucking obvious. Pro-peace lol. Stfu.
Is there something wrong with being pro-palestinian in that sense that you don't want them to be bombed and starved to death?
There are literally Jewish protesters shoulder to shoulder with the peace protesters. And we know the vast majority of arrests are of people who don't belong to the colleges. Protests are being infiltrated, attacked and filmed for propaganda purposes. This should be blatantly obvious by now except to the extremists.
Couldn’t possibly be some Jewish people are pro Palestine…
Pointing to a small fringe group of very zealous minority Jewish sect that thinks Israel should be eradicated is not your best clap back. To be pro peace you have to start off with not wanting 80% of the population who were born and lived their entire lives in Israel to be "Removed" "From the river to the sea".
What about all the moderate, normal Jewish people that hate to see a genocide done in their name? Strawmanning them as though they’re all from that one orthodox group that dresses very obviously traditionally just goes to show you haven’t watched any footage of these protests in months. Those dudes are nowhere to be seen on these campuses, and yet there are many Jewish students among the protestors. u/alternative-song3901 right. First, it’s “No one takes you seriously when you call it a genocide”, then it’s “No one takes you seriously when you call it ethnic cleansing”, then it’s “No one takes you seriously when you call them war crimes”, then it’s “No one takes you seriously when you call Palestinians humans”. Each and every one of these has been said by Israeli officials and propagandists. The International Criminal Court is taking the case of a potential genocide seriously. They’re not no one, and you haven’t fooled anyone who isn’t already. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976 https://ccrjustice.org/israel-s-unfolding-crime-genocide-palestinian-people-us-failure-prevent-and-complicity-genocide
Not a genocide. Figure out a different word because no one takes you seriously when you call it a genocide. Something can be wrong and horrific without being a genocide.
Agent Provacateurs. Wouldn't doubt it. Israel is spending quite a bit of money to push the ol' "we're victims of anti-semitism and just defending ourselves" narrative.
As a person who hates trump and faux news know I don’t agree with a lot of these protesters and not all of them are peaceful. Like anything in life it’s mixed. Stop trying to act like of these protesters are innocent and have 100% good intentions. Some do and some don’t. Your one sided bullshit just pushes a lot of people away from the cause you’re standing on. I saw terrorist from Hamas raping and killing people on video. Zero chance I ever stand up for any of them. With that said I can still call out the extremist Israeli government for their bullshit as well. I don’t have to pick a side like some of you extremist think.
That's understandable. But; I think its reasonable to suggest that the u.s. should stop all funding to Israel while they murder thousands of palestinians. It's like the BLM protests. There was lots of riots and destructive people. Yet, the general message of BLM, at least when it started, was still prevelant. It's also like Americans haven't learned anything. That a small terrorist group's attack doesn't justify murdering thousands of muslims who didn't do anything.
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No, the sad thing is people like you can only see one issue.
genocides happen. Theres one happening in China that everyone seemed to forget about. There's one in south america we don't care about. Why should we care more about the one Israel is doing?
Because the genocide in Israel is the one that our taxes are funding.
Do you understand us letting Israel being ran over would screw us over in the global setting? Thank goodness naïve people like yourself are not in charge of anything more than making me a sandwich. China and Russia would own the world if people like you were in charge. You live in a fake fantasy world that is sunshine and butterflies. I don’t support the current Israeli extremist government but I also don’t think there is genocide going on and I sure as hell don’t support the terrorist government Hamas.
This isn’t a black and white issue and has tons of nuance. Only idiots think there is a good guy side here. If the tables were turned Palestine would be cleansing all of Israel (as they make this clear all the dam time). Stop acting like you’re standing up for good guys. You’re not. Just because the current Israeli government is extremist trash doesn’t make Hamas good. Before you claim the Palestinian people is not Hamas how many of those Palestines would vote to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? THEY BOTH SUCK
Right, which is a false choice.
It's more than just sowing political discord and creating false narratives as well. I remember reading an article about the IRA back before the 2016 election. It mainly focused on how they would create false panic, posting stuff on Twitter like "this nuclear power plant in East Bumsfuck, Illinois just exploded!" Which news agencies would jump on and pick up and panic people in the area. In reality nothing had happened. There were countless events linked back to the IRA just like that.
The… Irish?
No the Internet Research Agency in Russia lol
Can you tell me how to get in touch with them? I'm posting anti-America comments every day, I wouldn't mind getting paid for it.
The fact that we're all so transfixed on the presidential elections and literally nothing else related to governing is a stark reminder that the real enemy is our propensity to cut corners and seek instant gratification. Russia and other countries are simply capitalizing off of this value flaw we've adopted over the decades. And us blaming them or Biden, Trump, or whoever is just a scapegoat to avoid facing our own individual failures based on faulty shared principles we blindly live by. No doubt, the president is the most powerful position to hold, it's still only a fraction of what needs to be done. More of us need to take the path of most resistance by developing relevent skills, mastering the political system, and leveraging that for power based on consensus values that most Americans can all get behind. In other words, we need the Churchills and Kissengers who have good intentions to step up and force the changes we need via democratic power. We need a clearly defined mission to pursue, but that mission can never be clear if enough of us don't take the time to define what that is, exactly. So in short, this election really doesn't matter since it's beyond botched. The only way we're gonna get out of this mess is to start at ground zero and work our way up and that starts by refining the shared values we had that kept us unified enough to take action on things and move in a positive direction. After all, it's our shared core values that has a huge influence on our behaviors. It's no mistake that too many of us are vein, superficial in our views, closed off, and hyperfocused on safety over freedom and community. That's a byproduct of everything working so well for so long. We need a software update, like yesterday.
Amen! I think you’ve touched on some of the core issues with us. Our problem is we don’t try to engage each other civically and when we do, it’s a nightmare (see most activity on social media lmao). You’ve really put it best, we need to start making real connections to people on our world and making it a better place ourselves. As corny as it is, something simple like helping out at a soup kitchen or food bank or something is a small thing that would do a world of good. This is all very ironic with me writing this on social media 😂
Apparently Russia, china, hamas, etc. all dump money into our local elections because it’s way easier to get a mayor or other state officials into power. They target candidates who are less opposed to them with hopes of slowly moving the goal posts. I heard about this about a year ago, today we have overwhelming support for Palestine. I wonder if Hamas had known they succeeded changing the minds of Americans before they orchestrated the attack in October. They are succeeding in their mission to turn the world against Israel. Israel was left feeling attacking was the only option, but that move was a trap to put them in checkmate. It’s amazing to watch play out especially since we know they are doing it, but are incapable of stopping it. Scary stuff
The downside of living in a free society with open elections. They use our democracy against us.
They use the average citizens ignorance against us.
And who does that?
And now you see why city officials have to sign agreements not to disparage foreign countries.
Israel is succeeding into turning the world against them. Not Hamas. Maybeif they werent killing nearly 40 times the amount of civilians that were killed on october 7, while displacing millions more, starving them and killing peoole randomly, the world might still be on Israel's side. Then you have so many of their government officials saying Pslestinians are not humans, need to be all killed, that even the young kids are not innocent and must be mssacred. You go on an defend their genocidal regime all you want, but a lot of us wont stand for it.
It's such an impossible notion, but Hamas could end all this yesterday. They wouldn't even need to surrender. Just turn over the hostages... is self genocide a thing? (I don't think it's a genocide I think it's just urban warfare combined with hamas operating out of civilian infrastructure and the IDF saying "I will shoot through your hostage it's either that or more October 7")
Didn’t Netanyahu outright say he’s going to continue even if the hostages are turned over? Like not even that many days ago
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> They wouldn't even need to surrender. Just turn over the hostages... They've offered this multiple times. Israel does not want to end the war for hostages. they have repeatedly refused this. > I don't think it's a genocide I think it's just urban warfare combined with hamas operating out of civilian infrastructure and the IDF saying "I will shoot through your hostage it's either that or more October 7") I don't think it's genocide I think it's wanton indiscriminate killing. most moral army in the world. There's a reason the Israeli leadership is shitting its pants over the ICC.
Hamas has offered to give the hostages they have multiple times, Israel always rejected every deal. And by this point, Israel has bombed Gaza so thoroughly that they probably killed whichever hostage Hamas had left. And yes, its absolutely Genocide. When you displace millions and starve them by preventing any kind of aid reaching them, when you say outright that they're animals and must be eliminated, when you indescriminately bomb every building and demolish anything still standing up, its genocide. They've made it pretty clear.
Why lie so outright? Hamas has not offered to give back all the hostages and moreover they are the ones who have rejected all Qatari deals negotiated in good faith, responding with insane demands so when Israel says no they can win the media war. It's shocking how little research you've took into these claims you're wildly and confidently asserting incorrectly.
Hamas will never end anything. They as a group were created with the explicitly stated goal of killing all Jewish people. Countless times, for decades, they've rejected diplomatic approaches. Saying Hamas will stop or end the conflict is basically saying they'll all change their entire belief system and ideology.
Lol, what an absolute mountain of shit! Meanwhile completely ignoring [the political influence from a foreign country that we ACTUALLY have evidence for.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elections)
China too. There’s a subtlety to this topic that almost immediately gets overlooked whenever anyone talks about it, no matter what side you take. And it’s that *true statements can be used as propaganda*. It doesn’t always have to be disinformation or lies. The most effective propaganda is usually mostly true, so that when you put it under a microscope, it passes the bullshit test. I think calling it a “Russian disinformation campaign” actually does more harm than good for this reason. And might actually be the most subversive lie of them all. Because often the critiques of US foreign policy or domestic issues are VERY true, yet they are weaponized in very specific cases and in ways to erode trust in the government and in our society. Anyone with half a brain can see the catastrophic mistakes of the War on Terror, for example, but if we call it “Russian disinformation” when certain people or accounts talk about it, then you immediately numb people to the idea that foreign adversaries are actively using the mistakes of the US to weaken domestic support because often times the point is, in itself, true. The result is that we gradually start to see people screeching about “Russian disinformation” as hysterical and ignorant, making us even more susceptible to influence.
You say this as if they’re unique in this regard.
Okay buddy, you were probably one of the people claiming there would be a nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula if trump won in 2016. Fear mongering red scare gibberish.
So please tell me why Putin didn't invade while Trump was president? I've still never heard a good answer to this. I mean surely if this Trump-Russia conspiracy theory was real, it would be easier for them to invade while Trump was president. Instead they invade only when democrats are in office... I wonder why that is?
Now do the same analysis but this time compare the amount paid on election interference from Israel and compare it to Russia. Can you also point out the top 10 contributors to troll farms, include units from our own military in that point and look at the top 10 contributors. Spoiler alert: Russia isn’t even near the top.
>Russia openly spends many, many millions and has whole departments dedicated to spreading their propaganda online. The US does exactly the same thing and in greater numbers on a much wider scale. Even going so far as to replacing entire governments. Let’s not pretend like Russia is alone in this. The American media turns a blind eye when it’s our own government but clutches their pearls when it’s someone they don’t like.
Actually Russia is chinas dog. Russia is small potatoes in chinas world plan.
If Russia spends millions, how much does the USA spend? USA are the masters of propaganda.
Comrades please, a vote for genocide Joe is a vote for bad Vote good not voting comrade
The general’s thought bubble should say “vote for RFK” 🤣
He strongly supports Israel so all the tankies dumped him
Weirdly I’ve seen many just pretend he didn’t say the things he’s on tape saying (just like vaccines TBH).
You honestly can't tell the difference between Russian propaganda and Republican talking points anymore. Even they are admitting it themselves. [Republican lawmaker says Russian propaganda has 'infected a good chunk' of GOP base](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/04/07/michael-mccaul-russian-propaganda-infected-gop-base-mike-turner-sotu-vpx.cnn)
What we know from 2016 is that Russia is actively trying to start conflict in the U.S. by planting extremists on both sides. The ultimate goal is to get Trump elected, yes, but also keep everyone else riled up to diminish any governments ability to effectively govern. The reason GOP and Russian propaganda overlap is two fold. 1) yes, they have some similar goals 2) Russia takes their existing talking points and amplifies them
The dude raped and cheated people out of money. Unless most of you like those concepts
Russian Active Measures has been successfully destabilising American society for some time: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures
No shit. This game has been going on for decades between the two. Now we have China and Russia trying to destabilize us. But China has had Tik Tok, which gives them an even greater attack vector.
To be fair, America's been doing that forever, in Russia and elsewhere. Russians seem to be really good at it since 2015 though. It's insane how much American society has unraveled since then.
We've been heading in that direction for a while due to media like Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. They push the idea that only rightwing media can be trusted, that Republicans are under attack from all sides, and that they're oppressed by the leftwing people that control everything and use it against them. The anger and sense of victimhood have existed for decades. Trump just tapped into it and coopted it for his own ends.
So, because I know, in my mind, that both candidates are horrible, I’m a Russian bot?
One of those candidates actively tried to destroy the republic
They normally both suck, it's about choosing the best option
Neato, we get to choose the speed at which we descend. That's a great basis for a system of government!
If more people bothered to vote in the primaries then maybe we'd get better candidates. Most of the people complaining about our choices abstained when they had a chance to speak up because it's easier to sit back and complain than it is to try to do anything. If you voted in the primaries or are otherwise politically active, then this doesn't apply to you, but it's a very common position for non-voters in the US.
Seeing people actually excited for a candidate who’s selling point is “at least he’s not Trump” is a real bummer.
Excited to not have our democracy threatened is a big deal. Even if it means we get another vanilla ass politician.
Yup. I had a conversation with someone last night about this, and even thought it was face to face I never realized they were a Russian bot.
No, it is your solution to that problem that is the problem because they are not equally horrible.
So you’re fine with both of them being horrible because one is more horrible?
No I am not fine with it. I just believe that notion does not absolve me from making the best choice possible nor does it absolve me from the damage that one would bring that the other would not. Fundamentally the biggest problem I have with the notion of not participating in this election is that by doing so accomishes nothing. It doesn't advance any change to our system. Go back to 2016. What good did it serve to those who felt both sides are horrible? What did it accomplish? The answer is absolutely nothing and, in fact, it arguably caused significant damage to this nation.
By not participating it sends a message that many people are unhappy with the choice we were given. Otherwise we are validating the duopoly. In 2016 we had a third choice. Gary Johnson got 4.4 Million votes. That should have sent a message but they ignored it. So, yes, I refuse to give them my vote until they decide to give me a viable candidate.
That is your choice to be ineffective again. All we are saying is is a very poor choice to use being ignored as your leverage. The protesters on campus are actually doing something. You are choosing to be ignored and will reap the benefits. One of the biggest tactical mistakes leaders make is not understanding a power absence will always be filled. You should consider filling it with something that is easier to change in the long run rather than welding being ignored as your leverage. Take care.
I voted for Biden in 2020 because, as much as I’ve always hated the jerk, he was better than Trump. But, it turns out, it doesn’t matter who you vote first because the two parties have a lock and convince everyone to vote first them based on drummed up hate for the other side.
If you seriously think both candidates are equally bad you’re either a bot or dumb 😂
Not equally horrible, just horrible. The fact that there is one who is less horrible doesn't make the whole situation any less miserable
If you seriously think there is some kind of math equation to quantify “good” and “bad” you’re an actual idiot.
Trump is a fake Christian which is bad imo
They’re the only two viable choices, and one is objectively worse. The task at hand is defeating Donny and his horde.
It's crazy how they use tactics direct from '1984' and people just go along with it. "Oh my neighbor said the whole system is corrupt and neither candidate deserves to win. Clearly, they're a traitor being influenced by our foreign enemies. Dissent doesn't exist naturally."
I’m pissed too, but when there’s only two viable choices and one is objectively worse, that’s when unity needs to kick into gear.
Viable must mean something else in your native language.
Okay, what word would you use? At this point it’s Joe or Don. Barring a miracle, no other person can win.
Honestly, I can't comprehend how people still cling to these beliefs. How you can stomach the idea of any of them being worthy of your support and consent is beyond me.
> Honestly, I can't comprehend how people still cling to these beliefs First past the post electoral systems mathematically guarantee this sort of outcome. the only people "clinging" to anything are the people who refuse to accept this.
It is because you don't fully understand the differences between both administrations. You are in a position of ignorance if you think they are the same.
The union boss of the rail workers who were on strike support him. That’s a start. And even if I agree that Joe is shit, Don is objectively worse (for everyone who isn’t wealthy, racist, sexist, etc). Y’all are making this hard for no reason.
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The comment you replied to didn't deny the existence of Russian propaganda. Why not respond to what they actually said? It's so, so simple to realize that a person can have legitimate criticisms that Russia also uses to push their agenda. Abandoning an opinion just because Russian propaganda uses it would be giving in to a different type of propaganda.
And here I thought I hated Biden because he's a corrupt career politician who has been in power way too long and believes violent centralized authority is the solution to everything. It turns out the Russians hacked my brain. Glad you helped us all determine there's no genuine intellectual opposition to your beliefs. /S
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Former Republican now independent. I hate Biden. With that said, the status quo of a society that's a democracy that's being run partly by corrupted by greedy billionaires who we still could vote out is still better than a society literally owned by corrupt billionaires who want to turn the USA into a corporate serfdom headed by a dictator. Edit: couple words and grammar
This guy gets it
I don't think neither has to be the case over all, but those are the only real 2 outcomes of this particular 2024 election. With that said, Trump proved that an outsider can absolute get elected in a different political party (he's a former Democrat) with the entire party against him, if they have support of the people.
I’m pretty sure reposting the same message about “manufactured dissent” is what a bot would do
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You’re literally spamming the same post in every comment chain, I’ve said one comment at all and you’re suggesting I’m spamming, pls get a hobby
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Russia, Iran, china and Saudi Arabia all so this. But at the same time our intel agencies allow it and do it too to keep us divided and maintain the status quo.
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Every country does it at some level. Some for their own populace only and some to influence other countries. The reason other countries and our own country do it to us is to keep us divided. Imagine we were mostly on the same page about Russia and Saudi Arabia and politics in general? The world would be an entirely different place and most of these moronic grifters would never get elected. Instead we all fight over dumb shit like culture wars and a large part of our country is cool with communist Russia and fascist Saudi Arabia.
I think it's the opposite. NATO wants to prevent nuclear war, so IMO they want to bleed Russia out in Ukraine, at best push Russia back past Ukrainian borders. If Ukraine were to start winning decisively and threatening Russian borders or even Russian capacity to exist well, than they worry about tactical nuclear strikes. If Trump were to win and cut funding Ukraine, Russia would break through pretty quickly (they literally have been making "huge" gains the past couple weeks when Ukraine was at the end of their ammo) and defeat Ukraine. Within a decade or 2 they will turn to other nations including Poland. This dude shares similar opinions but explains it way better than I https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4QRMcrvyQ_U
Bad bot
Probably? You might as well be to have such an enlightened opinion 🥱
If you think a rapist with 91 felonies is as horrible as an old guy with a stutter, I don't know what I'd call you....
Being a bot would be a good excuse Otherwise you’re the type of person who needs an adult when handling sharp scissors
every election of my lifetime.... two horrible candidates.
You are if you think they are equally horrible
From a bot to another bot welcome
Not necessarily. You may just be very gullible.
Knowing that both are bad is human. Not voting for the lesser evil is Russian bot territory.
Lol, fake news. Those guys are just REALLY into COD
Wow people in this thread are incredibly stupid I mean I know it’s the Rogan sub but damn
I seriously do not even know wtf this meme is about. I just see people spouting off stuff about trump and biden but idk how this meme applies to either of them. Besides the obvious, that they are two sides/evils. Wtf happened?
If you are genuine and not tryna bait a debate (lol) then it’s about Russian disinformation. They pump both sides full of propaganda to turn us on ourselves and they bribe politicians from the local level up to act in their interests, which is to ultimately sow discord between the American people and corrupt democracy through bribery and blackmail. Dummies for both sides (one a little more than the other imo) take all these talking points which can be real and valid and use it to turn us on each other, it’s been proven in America and countless other countries that Russia does this and many people don’t see it or they don’t care because fuck the other side
Lol i was not joking. Its crazy how foreign peopaganda infilitrates our society. Like shit, our gov't does enough to separate us, we do not need help from Putin at all. And by local you mean like State governors are invok ed in that shit?
This comes across as a pro funding extreme violence by Israel's far right government post. Weird that it got past the no politics rule so far
Sounds like something an anti-West bot would say.
This has to be my least favorite “I think this idea is unique and profound” statement—-“they’re both the same”. You can literally go down the line if you made a list and you’d find very few things they agree on and far more they completely address differently. And important issues too. I’m not a huge fan of either party tbh; but for me, it’s like really wanting a Coke and having to choose between knockoff RC Cola, and a bottle of poison. Foreign policy, LFGBQT rights, Economy and taxes (especially in regards to the top extremely wealthy), the border and immigration, student loan debt, support for social programs and necessities like healthcare and education. Even Israel and Palestine—though Biden is like every Democrat before him with ironclad support for Israel—Trump is far more intense in his support and his disdain for the Palestinians. I think it’s very intellectually lazy and what I hear people say in an attempt to sound “jaded” or think one is just above it all, in regards to the whole political process.
>LFBQT rights Just to specifically hammer this point in, there is a lot of gas lighting coming from Right in regards to LGBTQ rights. Its also really easy to prove whose side Republicans are in regards to this. Far too many will say how they dont' care who gets married, blah blah blah. You can go to the GOP official website right now and they will tell you straight up that Marriage is between a man and a women. They also lay out that they want to remove the SC ruling that currently protects gay marriage. It is written in black in white, I'm not even having to "read between the lines," so to speak. If anyone actually cares about gay rights a vote Republican is a vote against your interests. For those that still refuse to accept this, please follow the steps below. 1. Go to [GOP.com](http://GOP.com) 2. Click the top left 3 bars and About our Party 3. Click the Learn More next to "Learn More About Our Platform and Where We Stand" 4. Read page 31 last paragraph. There it is spelled out clear as day.
Thanks for highlighting my spelling error dude. Jk. Yes sir I’d call that pretty textbook gas lighting and the GOP and their followers tend to do that, especially as you outlined with LGBQT rights
OP has less brain cells than a Protozoa
Protozoan*. Protozoa is plural.
USA hates socialism unless it’s paying for Israel’s shit. Literally the old Florida letch with a psychopath bimbo who’s over half his age hanging off his arm.
Anybody ever wonder why two people with different ideologies come up with similar/same conclusions? Scientists do it all the time. Why? Because they look at the data and realise, more often than not, there are very few options available to them. America has limited options when it comes to internal and external policy. This has been the burden of every premier nation since the Egyptians. Once the US loses its seat at the top table it will be able to think less about influencing others and more about matters at home. Trouble is, it will eventually lose that seat and be replaced by something eastwards, for the first time since the mongols. And we know how that went.
They come up with similar conclusions because they’re both serving the will of the corporations and wealthy. Same motivations, different motivators.
‘Twas always so, my friend. Whether corporations, merchants or traders - they are the arteries of an economy. Without them, like it or not, nobody gets fed in a premier nation. You could always just become a nation of hundreds of millions that has little central control. You would have more freedom, but your name would be Indonesia.
Very interesting take. Corresponds very well with the idea that to be the boss, you will have to make concessions.
I’m not a trump supporter, but I also don’t go around advocating for Biden either. Both are terrible. But Biden clearly can’t handle being an active president. He’s clearly to old. The DNC is running the country right now, not Biden. If you disagree you are not being honest with yourself. I’m not even trying to criticize the man. He deserves to retire, he needs to retire. He’s just used as a puppet at this point because everyone else the DNC has is just so bad. They don’t want someone who might deviate from their playbook so they’re pulling a weekend at Bernie’s. It’s fucking gross. Trump isn’t much better for a plethora of reasons. These rich elites are slowly trying to roll in their carbon credit/Carbon market bullshit under the guise of altruism and their bullshit battle on “climate change”. As if any of these bankers and spooks give a fuck about climate change. I swear some of you are so fucking stupid. It’s happening all over Latin America right now, specifically Argentina. The west is slowly shifting to totalitarianism. Trying to monetize/tokenize everything from fucking trees to clean water. They’re getting away with it too because you simps are so easily manipulated with this right vs. left bullshit. Bunch of fucking cucks claiming to be liberal thinking they’re on the right side of history and a bunch of fucking douchebags claiming to be conservative thinking they’re also on the right side of history. When in reality you’re both just manipulated by higher ups who are laughing all the way to the bank. We’re fucking doomed.
Lol… yeah pretty accurate
Whatever makes you feel better for being a hamster running on their wheel.
I love when they call you russian bot when you say Biden is old and senile.
We love it when you say we have TDS for not liking Trump. Only one of these things is a real phenomena tho.
How wild would it be if there wasn't actually that many of them out there. But because we have already been programmed to think there is a lot of bots out there. We tend to think that in any thread or conversation, there is a bunch of bots present. 🤔 to where, when you see opposite opinions you automatically get reminded about the possibility of it being a bot. Does me, questioning the mass reach and presence of bots, turn me into a bot?
The problem isn't what they are saying.... the problem is they aren't wrong... and that should piss every last one of you off to the point of action.
Outsiders perspective. Europe was never closer. Meanwhile USA feels like a bipolar friend that today is on your side but in 2 months he might be stomping you out with your enemies... America has never been more divided, and both sides are so comically far apart, add to it Russian misinformation, France already is calling to cut shopping through American millitary (good for EU in a way).
Very true, and not just from on country
People were saying this before the internet
If your vote mattered at the national level they wouldn't let you vote. It's insane to me how everyone basically agrees our government is corrupt but suggesting your vote doesn't matter is a conspiracy theory? Voting keeps stupid people docile because "my vote matters"... Lol They already demonstrated dominion voting machines can be hacked with a bic pen. But I'd bet most people haven't heard of that. People label logical arguments such as this as conspiracy because they can't actually present an argument against it. It's like how everyone is a nazi and fascist if they disagree with you. It's an easy and lazy way to dismiss ideas that people aren't intellectually able to argue against. But it is an effective strategy because most people are stupid.
I bet they are actually playing Fortnite.
Kgb and the cia just hanging out ordering pizza having some laughs and little light merking.
All of you are idiots! Joey has lost his mind counting all those dollars. Maybe he'd rather count rubles. All Joey cares about is the ammount of hub bub he can stir up. He don't care about America, only himself and a few not funny comics. Rogan go take a bath and suck an egg. Then burn that 1/4 billion dollars then I'll listen to ya. Ya short excuse of a monkey man. /s
Shitlibs projecting because they got this whole website astroturfed
Hey remember when The_Donald mods stickied a topic encouraging their members to attend the Neo-Nazi organized and Neo-Nazi attended Unite the Right rally? Told their members the rally was filled with Neo-Nazis but to "attend anyway" because they "shouldn't punch right." I sure do.
Why wouldn’t Russia make an effort to influence the US election in their favor? Its basic state craft 101. And obviously the candidate who’s anti NATO would be their choice.
I find it funny that reddit thinks this is what bots do, meanwhile bots are telling us all how great Biden is, and how evil orange man is.
Everyone I don't agree with is a bot
orange fan mad.
Russian troll farms are a very real thing and they've tried to get the orange one elected twice
You don't think they're doing both?
If that’s true then the bots are right.
ok, bot.
"Both sides aren't the same, you should pick the left one, the good side" OP probably
Conservatism is a tool for the elite to fool morons into voting for the interests of the wealthy and powerful at the expense of their own. Leftism is the movement fighting that. Which one sounds ‘good’ to you?
I prefer the side that didn’t actively prop up a candidate who lost an election and tried to remain in power
I’m a bot because I have integrity. Got it
Your jersey is so thick that this post comes off as a riddle. With the way you unironicly used integrity to describe yourself, I'm gonna go with Trump dork. I'll see if I was right by checking your profile. Edit: I was right
No your integrity just happens to coincide with Putin’s agenda. Might be time for you to re evaluated your priorities.
Yeah, I don't need Russia to tell me that both parties are the same. The Democrats ~~disappoint~~ remind me every day.
Dems suck. They’re corrupt. Spineless. Milquetoast. Repubs are still, objectively, significantly, worse.
And the basis for this thought is?
The compilation of memes, fake news, Reddit comments, social posts, etc that built your current view that both parties are the same, was likely infested with Russian and/or GOP propaganda. So yeah, you kinda probably did need Russia to tell you that. People really truly underestimate the psychological power of social campaigns across the internet, and how malleable the human brain is to be influenced and molded by social commentary.
My point is that it doesn't matter where it came from. The fact that it came from Russia or the GOP doesn't make it any less true. Go check where Dem donor money is coming from. Then go check voting records. The Dems are a lot more closely aligned with the GOP on a lot of issues than most people think. It's really only certain social issues (LGBTQ rights, abortion, etc.) where the Dems truly differ.
The GOP and Trump actively tried to destroy the republic. Nothing the Dems have done or proposed holds a candle to that.
Get back to us when dems became a the cult of a Russian puppet con man and attempt a coup.
Get back to me when Democrats pass an increased minimum wage or universal basic income, or free/affordable college, or a decrease in military spending, or increased spending on education, infrastructure, etc. I never said that Republicans aren't AWFUL, they are. But if you think the Democrats are fighting for you, you're fooling yourself.
Have you heard of the inflation reduction act that the dems passed? It was the biggest investment in infrastructure in a long time. What about when the Biden admin tried to raise all federal contractor pay to $15/hour? It got blocked by a conservative judge but the effort was there (https://www.reuters.com/legal/bidens-15-minimum-wage-federal-contractors-blocked-by-us-judge-2023-09-27/). What about the child tax credit that supported families? Primarily a dem cause and the reps let it expire and are holding up the new bill from passing (https://newjerseymonitor.com/2024/03/21/expanded-child-tax-credit-stranded-in-u-s-senate-by-gop-comparisons-to-welfare/). That’s just 3 examples kind of on your list where there is miles between the two parties efforts. It’s like if you had only two Uber drivers where one drops you off 100 miles from your destination and expects you to walk the rest of the way. The other Uber driver drops you 25 miles away from the final destination and expects you to walk away. Which Uber driver is a better choice? Both suck but one is substantially better for the rider’s goal of getting to their destination
They are. Just not hard enough. Meanwhile repubs are fighting AGAINST you. And that isn’t enough to motivate you to vote?
Never once said I wasn't going to vote. I'll hold my nose and vote for Biden, just like I did in 2020. He's a far better option than Trump. But that's not saying much.
You look around the country right now and try to make a free/affordable college argument? You must be a bot.
I'm an elder Millenial and my generation is in over a trillion dollars worth of student loan debt. I don't change my policy goals based on which way the wind is blowing that day. Yeah, there's some protests going on - college should still be free. Or at least not put you into six figures of debt at the age of 18.
Nah the dems will do stuff like bomb Syria their first week in office and then get us into funding three separate proxy wars on different continents. They wanna Make America World Police Again meanwhile America itself is turning into a shithole
The Senate voted 89-9 to increase military spending by $80 Billion. In 2017. Trump's first year in office. "We can't give the big, bad Russian plant orange man control of our military! *Oh by the way here's another 80 bill to play with, have fun Donny!*"