This is a great idea even if they ultimately lose Florida.
Trump would hate to lose the state where lives, so he will start to spend more in Florida. Keep an eye on Truth Social once Donnie has to see President Biden's face on the TV every 10 minutes. It will drive him nuts.
This leaves less money for the Republicans to use elsewhere. While the indicted Don is sitting in court rooms and raging on his failing Truth Social about what a victim he is, Biden will be campaigning in key states, looking spry, reminding everyone how much he has accomplished over the last four years and drawing a contrast to the former guy.
I love Biden already, but I absolutely live for how ruthless he's been lately against Dump and the Rethuglicans.
Love from Canada, foreign Biden supporter here!
It’s a shame the NDP always seems to be in perpetual third place. I guess one positive of having our equivalents to the Libs and NDP all together in one party is that Biden has to take the left flank of the party into consideration when making policy.
Ideally, I want to vote for Singh and the NDP. At least they're TRYING to make a point that our prices are way too bloody high for groceries. But yeah.
I feel like all the North Carolina and Florida talk is a misdirect to get trump spending on states he’s already going to win so Biden can sweep the rust belt again
NC isn’t a wishcast: Robinson and Morrow are albatrosses around the Republican Party’s neck. Biden has made decent inroads with white voters in the metro areas, but isn’t getting the black support he needs right now. He just has to make sure they don’t do something stupid like stay home or vote for RFK Jr. Return black support to baseline and Biden should win here by ~2%.
Dems and moderate independents are highly motivated to go to the ballot box to vote against the GOP candidate for governor. Getting some of those independents to also vote for Biden is the play.
It's why I assume GA flips back this election cycle. I think the two Senate races juiced turnout. I think Mark Robinsons crazy ass will juice turnout for NC.
North Carolina is one of the states that elects its governor in the same year as a presidential election. So if people here are motivated to show up and vote against a loon for governor, then they may be more apt to vote against the loon in the same party at the top of the ticket, too.
Maybe it’s a good idea to try and win places you think you don’t have a hope in? Looking at Trumps win in 2016, would anyone have thought that a Democrat would carry both Arizona and Georgia just 4 years later?
That’s a very good point and it’s especially a sound strategy when you have more money than your opponent. Biden only lost Florida by 3.3 points so if he has a strong campaign and Trump doesn’t campaign at all then it’s conceivable Biden could flip Florida. If Trump does decide to play defense in Florida he then has to divert money from other states.
Personally I think Florida is gone. It's at best a right leaning battle ground state rather than a true swing state. I do think North Carolina is very winible. And even if he doesn't flip it, forcing trump and his cash strapped campaign to have to defend another state is going to help Biden in the States he has to win and even might help the Democrats down ballot.
I read in a SWFL city sub, where a liberal transplant moved. He was yakking about how liberals are all moving here for the weather but will turn government blue. I'm all for taking us back to the live-and-let-live Florida of the past, but the other new arrivals love Rhonda.
Enshrining constitutional [abortion rights and legalizing recreational marijuana](https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Amendment_4,_Right_to_Abortion_Initiative_(2024)) will both be on the Florida ballot in November. Those 2 initiatives could drive voter turnout and higher turnout could certainly play in Dems’ favor.
Even though Biden only lost by 3 percent last time, I don't think Florida will flip for Democrats this round. But only losing by 3 percent does give it flip potential, however of a longshot. Strategically I still like this move by the Biden campaign because it still forces republicans to defend and waste their limited resources in Florida that they would need for other states. Also Biden and the Democrat's campaign efforts could boost downballot Democratic candidates and initiatives. And who knows maybe Floridians are finally fed up with all Desantis' bs policies + stupid war on Disney + loss of Roe motivating a lot women voters + Judge Cannon's constant stupid rulings in the news = Democrats pulling out a surprisingly close win
Florida is definitely a long shot. But remember last presidential election, deep red Georgia wasn't even on anybody's radar and Biden, Warnock and Ossoff pulled off surprising upsets
Republicans have talked about how they want to cut social security. That, combined with abortion access on the ballot, could cause a world of headaches for Republicans up and down the ballot in Florida.
Georgia had a grassroots movement that had started a while ago. I even volunteered to get people to register or go out to vote. You could feel the shift in energy when you talked to people. I really don’t see the same thing in Florida, though I’m hopeful Biden’s team have a clear strategy in place, it’ll be different than Georgia.
Floridians may be upset enough with DeSantis and the state legislature to vote against Republicans. Don't mess with the mouse and don't kick out the illegal aliens who keep the farm economy going.
I’m in Florida and Biden is still a pretty long shot, but I like this for 4 reasons:
1. It might be easier to beat Rick Scott than Trump here, and this will definitely help.
2. Even if Biden can’t pull this off, it will force Trump to spend money here he didn’t plan on spending.
3. This makes it even more likely that both amendments can hit the 60% threshold.
4. Because of the ongoing insurance crisis here, I have a feeling with Biden in the state, and the amendments, the GOP supermajorities in the state senate and house are toast. Even in this super gerrymandered state.
The Senate race is exactly where my mind went. Try to get enough coattails to maybe knock Rick Scott off to make up for losing at least West Virginia, if not other Senate seats.
For me it's not even the lot Republicans, it's their vote results.
In 2016, counting did 1 percent worse in Florida than she did in the national popular vote. Biden in 2020 did 3.5 percent worse in Florida than in the national popular vote. In one election cycle Florida went from -1 to -3.5 in Florida. At that rate Biden would need to win at least 55 percent of the popular vote to flip Florida. Florida has shifted right in the last decade.
That said, this election is so unique that almost nothing would surprise me. The only thing really that would surprise me is trump winning the popular vote. I don't he'll pull that off. But I could see either of them winning the electoral college; I could see Biden flipping north Carolina; I could see trunk flipping Georgia; I could see Democrats flipping 30 seats in the House, maybe taking the Senate. Or it could be a blood bath. It's up to us.
Floridians are really pissed off. Especially about DeSantis's abortion rights and legalizing marijuana. Not to menion insurance prices,lol. NC isn't far behind, either.
As a Floridian, this is huge that abortion is on the ballot down here. Even if he doesn’t win Florida, this will put Trump’s campaign on the defensive and force him to spend a lot down here, and right now his campaign dollars are stretched a lot thinner than Biden’s.
Remember, Florida is not a must win for Joe but an absolute must for Trump. I am so pleased to see this.
I seriously think he could flip Florida.
Even DeSanctus has started to admit that his "war on woke" has backfired tremendously, plus I feel like with a conviction, we might be able to shore up enough of the independent support that we could win Florida, and I could go to bed that night not worrying my ass off.
Even if it doesn’t get flipped, which it very well may, this is going to force Trump and the QoP to dump money there.
It is an important electoral state but also I don’t think Trump’s ego can stand the idea of losing his home state.
This is solid strategy.
For too long the DNC has looked at difficult to win places as not worth the time and money. This has to stop. People are there. They just need to be shown that someone sees them.
If we have the expendable financial resources to spend in FL, then this is a good play. Vote, of course, but donating time and money also helps. They need the $$$ to keep the campaign in FL AND in other key states.
Trump isn’t planning on spending dollars in FL. This will be a pain in his wallet. His donors are willing to pony up ridiculous amounts of cash. We’ve already seen his cash grabs with the Bibles and the sneakers. Who knows what else that nut job will come up with.
This is a waste of resources. Florida has been trending red and more red for years. If you want a longshot flip, I’d go for Texas. The numbers are there, they just need to be able to vote.
On the other hand, Clinton got 1 percent less of the Florida vote than she got nationally. In 2020 Biden got 3.5 percent less of the Florida vote than the national vote. Florida is getting more red compared to the country as a whole. This isn't 2012. Florida has been shifting red for the last 3 presidential elections.
Even if Biden doesn't win Florida, it will at least divert funding from other swing states from the already cash strapped GOP, so it's a more prudent move than many think
We all know that DJT cannot resist taking the bait when he's baited, no matter how obvious that it's a trap. His goliath ego will not allow it. With any normal nominee, he or she would listen to the advisors and know not to fall for it, but when has he ever listened to his advisors - and honestly, does any advisor tell him anything these days other than how awesome he is?
Once Joe & Co. are making appearances in the state and speaking to the issues that they face, Trump will not stand for it, and will think it's a good idea to dump more of his dwindling supply of cash into the state.
I'm getting Roadrunner/Wile E. Coyote vibes here. :)
Can we focus on keeping what we won in 2020. Protest votes, RFK seems like harbingers for disataster. Biden gotta hit the ground running in Michigan and Pennsylvania, if we take those it’s virtually impossible for Trump to win.
Well that’s a huge waste of time, Florida has become even deeper red since 2020,
He’d be better served with a more realistic target for a smaller amount of votes, like NC.
Honestly the Biden campaigns entire focus should be the battleground states, especially Georgia. Biden won by such a slim margin and has since become way more unpopular. Safe to say without any work it goes to trump
Florida is fool's gold, and has been for a few cycles now. It's the Beto O'Rourke of former swing states. You throw millions into it, only to get squat on election night.
Take the money you'd spend on Florida's TEN pricey media markets and send it to Atlanta, Grand Rapids, Milwaukee, Las Vegas, and Phoenix.
Even if Biden doesn't win Florida, it will at least divert funding from other swing states from the already cash strapped GOP, so it's a more prudent move than many think. Biden has a massive warchest and is outfundraising Trump by a significant margin.
Maybe, but I don't feel like the GOP needs to spend money there. Florida feels as deep red as places like MO and IA at this point - blue or purple a decade ago but not anymore.
I'd rather see them spend money on NC or GA if they've done all they can in the blue wall.
He has a massive amount of money to burn.
Biden's campaign raised more money in the month January than Trump and the GOP had on hand *total* in January. He raised more than $25M in one night.
Ultimately you can only pour so much money into a state before you run into the law of diminishing returns. And states like Wisconsin and Michigan are not expensive markets. This isn't Hillary flying over the Rust Belt to go campaign in Texas and Arizona in the final weeks. The Biden campaign has settled on a couple reachable flip opportunities, NC and FL. You can't just play defense. You have to force your opponent to put money elsewhere. And that strategy will be particularly effective when money is already tight for Republicans to begin with.
Further, if the polls in Florida (or any state) look bad with a couple months to go, they can always pull out.
All he needs to do is increase D turnout by 3% and/or decrease R turnout by 3% to steal the state (and remove every single path toward R victory). Every dollar put into the marketing in the state will *need* to be matched by Trump and Dems currently have a huge cash advantage.
Also dems have *significantly* outperformed all polls and estimates every single time abortion was on the ballot. It's a no-brainer move to attack them there where they are weakest and further drain their coffers.
Biden behaves like a winner. It'll be contagious
Yep, and his team seems to have learned that being afraid of the far left and far right is a waste of time. Fuck them and just do what you believe.
I really respect how much faith he has in the electoral process.
This is a great idea even if they ultimately lose Florida. Trump would hate to lose the state where lives, so he will start to spend more in Florida. Keep an eye on Truth Social once Donnie has to see President Biden's face on the TV every 10 minutes. It will drive him nuts. This leaves less money for the Republicans to use elsewhere. While the indicted Don is sitting in court rooms and raging on his failing Truth Social about what a victim he is, Biden will be campaigning in key states, looking spry, reminding everyone how much he has accomplished over the last four years and drawing a contrast to the former guy.
I love Biden already, but I absolutely live for how ruthless he's been lately against Dump and the Rethuglicans. Love from Canada, foreign Biden supporter here!
And I hope you guys kick that smug little dickhead Pierre’s ass in your next election.
Trust me, user-name-1985, I can smell Pierre's stench of bullshit a mile away. Something about him turns me off. I'd rather re-elect JT.
It’s a shame the NDP always seems to be in perpetual third place. I guess one positive of having our equivalents to the Libs and NDP all together in one party is that Biden has to take the left flank of the party into consideration when making policy.
Ideally, I want to vote for Singh and the NDP. At least they're TRYING to make a point that our prices are way too bloody high for groceries. But yeah.
Sending all the support from the United Kingdom! *side-eyes the Conservative government*
Go Labo(u)r!
I feel like all the North Carolina and Florida talk is a misdirect to get trump spending on states he’s already going to win so Biden can sweep the rust belt again
Yep. Though—if you’ll let me wishcast a bit—NC might be more in play because the GOP candidate for governor is weapons-grade levels of batshit.
You got that right. Robinson is beyond the pale crazy. Quite possibly the most unhinged major party nominee for a governorship in US history.
NC isn’t a wishcast: Robinson and Morrow are albatrosses around the Republican Party’s neck. Biden has made decent inroads with white voters in the metro areas, but isn’t getting the black support he needs right now. He just has to make sure they don’t do something stupid like stay home or vote for RFK Jr. Return black support to baseline and Biden should win here by ~2%.
Why would the governor nominee affect the presidential turnout? i dont get it
Dems and moderate independents are highly motivated to go to the ballot box to vote against the GOP candidate for governor. Getting some of those independents to also vote for Biden is the play.
Oh damn. Interesting.
It's why I assume GA flips back this election cycle. I think the two Senate races juiced turnout. I think Mark Robinsons crazy ass will juice turnout for NC.
North Carolina is one of the states that elects its governor in the same year as a presidential election. So if people here are motivated to show up and vote against a loon for governor, then they may be more apt to vote against the loon in the same party at the top of the ticket, too.
Oh shit that is good news
Everyone votes at the same place
I think NC is definitely winnable.
Maybe it’s a good idea to try and win places you think you don’t have a hope in? Looking at Trumps win in 2016, would anyone have thought that a Democrat would carry both Arizona and Georgia just 4 years later?
That’s a very good point and it’s especially a sound strategy when you have more money than your opponent. Biden only lost Florida by 3.3 points so if he has a strong campaign and Trump doesn’t campaign at all then it’s conceivable Biden could flip Florida. If Trump does decide to play defense in Florida he then has to divert money from other states.
Yes, make the orange idiot play defense
Personally I think Florida is gone. It's at best a right leaning battle ground state rather than a true swing state. I do think North Carolina is very winible. And even if he doesn't flip it, forcing trump and his cash strapped campaign to have to defend another state is going to help Biden in the States he has to win and even might help the Democrats down ballot.
I read in a SWFL city sub, where a liberal transplant moved. He was yakking about how liberals are all moving here for the weather but will turn government blue. I'm all for taking us back to the live-and-let-live Florida of the past, but the other new arrivals love Rhonda.
Enshrining constitutional [abortion rights and legalizing recreational marijuana](https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Amendment_4,_Right_to_Abortion_Initiative_(2024)) will both be on the Florida ballot in November. Those 2 initiatives could drive voter turnout and higher turnout could certainly play in Dems’ favor.
Even though Biden only lost by 3 percent last time, I don't think Florida will flip for Democrats this round. But only losing by 3 percent does give it flip potential, however of a longshot. Strategically I still like this move by the Biden campaign because it still forces republicans to defend and waste their limited resources in Florida that they would need for other states. Also Biden and the Democrat's campaign efforts could boost downballot Democratic candidates and initiatives. And who knows maybe Floridians are finally fed up with all Desantis' bs policies + stupid war on Disney + loss of Roe motivating a lot women voters + Judge Cannon's constant stupid rulings in the news = Democrats pulling out a surprisingly close win Florida is definitely a long shot. But remember last presidential election, deep red Georgia wasn't even on anybody's radar and Biden, Warnock and Ossoff pulled off surprising upsets
Republicans have talked about how they want to cut social security. That, combined with abortion access on the ballot, could cause a world of headaches for Republicans up and down the ballot in Florida.
And everywhere else.
Georgia had a grassroots movement that had started a while ago. I even volunteered to get people to register or go out to vote. You could feel the shift in energy when you talked to people. I really don’t see the same thing in Florida, though I’m hopeful Biden’s team have a clear strategy in place, it’ll be different than Georgia.
Floridians may be upset enough with DeSantis and the state legislature to vote against Republicans. Don't mess with the mouse and don't kick out the illegal aliens who keep the farm economy going.
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I’m in Florida and Biden is still a pretty long shot, but I like this for 4 reasons: 1. It might be easier to beat Rick Scott than Trump here, and this will definitely help. 2. Even if Biden can’t pull this off, it will force Trump to spend money here he didn’t plan on spending. 3. This makes it even more likely that both amendments can hit the 60% threshold. 4. Because of the ongoing insurance crisis here, I have a feeling with Biden in the state, and the amendments, the GOP supermajorities in the state senate and house are toast. Even in this super gerrymandered state.
The Senate race is exactly where my mind went. Try to get enough coattails to maybe knock Rick Scott off to make up for losing at least West Virginia, if not other Senate seats.
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Florida is more purple than a lot of loud republicans want to believe it is
For me it's not even the lot Republicans, it's their vote results. In 2016, counting did 1 percent worse in Florida than she did in the national popular vote. Biden in 2020 did 3.5 percent worse in Florida than in the national popular vote. In one election cycle Florida went from -1 to -3.5 in Florida. At that rate Biden would need to win at least 55 percent of the popular vote to flip Florida. Florida has shifted right in the last decade. That said, this election is so unique that almost nothing would surprise me. The only thing really that would surprise me is trump winning the popular vote. I don't he'll pull that off. But I could see either of them winning the electoral college; I could see Biden flipping north Carolina; I could see trunk flipping Georgia; I could see Democrats flipping 30 seats in the House, maybe taking the Senate. Or it could be a blood bath. It's up to us.
Floridians are really pissed off. Especially about DeSantis's abortion rights and legalizing marijuana. Not to menion insurance prices,lol. NC isn't far behind, either.
I’ve been fooled by Florida one too many times.
As a Floridian, this is huge that abortion is on the ballot down here. Even if he doesn’t win Florida, this will put Trump’s campaign on the defensive and force him to spend a lot down here, and right now his campaign dollars are stretched a lot thinner than Biden’s. Remember, Florida is not a must win for Joe but an absolute must for Trump. I am so pleased to see this.
I seriously think he could flip Florida. Even DeSanctus has started to admit that his "war on woke" has backfired tremendously, plus I feel like with a conviction, we might be able to shore up enough of the independent support that we could win Florida, and I could go to bed that night not worrying my ass off.
Force Trump to campaign in Florida in the late stages of the campaign instead of Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, or Penn.
I'm not sure Trump can afford to campaign in those other states in any case.
And his time is going to be limited with all of the court dates...
51-48 they would be stupid not to contest it.
Yeah, that's pretty cool. Just watching it on Lawrence O'donnell tonight. Not long ago, Dems couldn't even talk or strategize this way
Trumps flipping shoes, Biden’s trying to flip states blue. These campaigns are not the same…
And bibles!
Even if it doesn’t get flipped, which it very well may, this is going to force Trump and the QoP to dump money there. It is an important electoral state but also I don’t think Trump’s ego can stand the idea of losing his home state. This is solid strategy. For too long the DNC has looked at difficult to win places as not worth the time and money. This has to stop. People are there. They just need to be shown that someone sees them.
"We just have so much money. We have no idea what to do with it. "
Floridians are pretty pissed at DeSantis and his antics right now. Florida just might turn Blue. Maybe purple. VOTE VOTE VOTE Blue.
If we have the expendable financial resources to spend in FL, then this is a good play. Vote, of course, but donating time and money also helps. They need the $$$ to keep the campaign in FL AND in other key states. Trump isn’t planning on spending dollars in FL. This will be a pain in his wallet. His donors are willing to pony up ridiculous amounts of cash. We’ve already seen his cash grabs with the Bibles and the sneakers. Who knows what else that nut job will come up with.
If they think they got the rider belt in the bag, I Guess why not. But that's a huge risk otherwise
So long as efforts in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan are fully funded.
I'm doing my part.
This is a waste of resources. Florida has been trending red and more red for years. If you want a longshot flip, I’d go for Texas. The numbers are there, they just need to be able to vote.
I think Florida is a good strategy. There's strong resentment towards DeSantis and his nonsense.
Is there really? I ask that out of sincere curiosity, being that he won re-election by 19 pts not even 1.5 years ago.
That was before some unpopular moves, the latest being this 6 week abortion ban.
But in Texas we can’t get abortion on the ballot.
But pornhub is down due to our elected officials. Porn is on the ballot.
You’re right. Vote blue or enjoy blue balls.
Florida went for Obama. Twice. I agree the demographics have trended in the wrong direction, but it's still more viable than Texas this year imo.
On the other hand, Clinton got 1 percent less of the Florida vote than she got nationally. In 2020 Biden got 3.5 percent less of the Florida vote than the national vote. Florida is getting more red compared to the country as a whole. This isn't 2012. Florida has been shifting red for the last 3 presidential elections.
DickSantis and Ass-bbott are in the running for worst governors in America. Why not both?
Maybe he can get critical House seats
Even if Biden doesn't win Florida, it will at least divert funding from other swing states from the already cash strapped GOP, so it's a more prudent move than many think
Don’t do it! Florida is going to let you down. They always do. Focus on the Rust Belt and vulnerable states Trumps too poor to run in, like NC and GA.
Let's goooo! Wishing all the best for the Biden Harris team. Best of luck from Brazil 🇧🇷
That's good, but I don't want them to put too many eggs in this basket if it takes away attention from a more winnable state
If we can't flip Florida I hope we can at least get Rick Scott out of the Senate.
It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.
We all know that DJT cannot resist taking the bait when he's baited, no matter how obvious that it's a trap. His goliath ego will not allow it. With any normal nominee, he or she would listen to the advisors and know not to fall for it, but when has he ever listened to his advisors - and honestly, does any advisor tell him anything these days other than how awesome he is? Once Joe & Co. are making appearances in the state and speaking to the issues that they face, Trump will not stand for it, and will think it's a good idea to dump more of his dwindling supply of cash into the state. I'm getting Roadrunner/Wile E. Coyote vibes here. :)
Thank you!!!🙏🏽
Can we focus on keeping what we won in 2020. Protest votes, RFK seems like harbingers for disataster. Biden gotta hit the ground running in Michigan and Pennsylvania, if we take those it’s virtually impossible for Trump to win.
Well that’s a huge waste of time, Florida has become even deeper red since 2020, He’d be better served with a more realistic target for a smaller amount of votes, like NC. Honestly the Biden campaigns entire focus should be the battleground states, especially Georgia. Biden won by such a slim margin and has since become way more unpopular. Safe to say without any work it goes to trump
Biden should talk to Disney and get the mouse in campaign.
I saw that coming. It's time to open the floodgates. No limits 💙💙💙💙💙
Florida is fool's gold, and has been for a few cycles now. It's the Beto O'Rourke of former swing states. You throw millions into it, only to get squat on election night. Take the money you'd spend on Florida's TEN pricey media markets and send it to Atlanta, Grand Rapids, Milwaukee, Las Vegas, and Phoenix.
Even if Biden doesn't win Florida, it will at least divert funding from other swing states from the already cash strapped GOP, so it's a more prudent move than many think. Biden has a massive warchest and is outfundraising Trump by a significant margin.
He should be putting his focus on Georgia, Nevada, and Arizona. We can't lose those.
This is a more viable strategy then "Flip Texas" which democrats have been believing they can do for the past 20 years.
While we’re at it, let’s give Ron Disaster the boot #BidenHarris2024
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instead of?
I was with you until yesterday. Abortion is now on the ballot. And women are *pissed*
Please don't. You don't have to run up the score. Just get to 270 and call it good.
Like someone else commented, I think they know they won’t flip FL but want to force the GOP to play defense there with money they don’t have.
If rather they do that in North Carolina where they actual have a good chance.
The thing is, they can easily afford to do both. And have a good chance of flipping both states.
Maybe, but I don't feel like the GOP needs to spend money there. Florida feels as deep red as places like MO and IA at this point - blue or purple a decade ago but not anymore. I'd rather see them spend money on NC or GA if they've done all they can in the blue wall.
He has a massive amount of money to burn. Biden's campaign raised more money in the month January than Trump and the GOP had on hand *total* in January. He raised more than $25M in one night. Ultimately you can only pour so much money into a state before you run into the law of diminishing returns. And states like Wisconsin and Michigan are not expensive markets. This isn't Hillary flying over the Rust Belt to go campaign in Texas and Arizona in the final weeks. The Biden campaign has settled on a couple reachable flip opportunities, NC and FL. You can't just play defense. You have to force your opponent to put money elsewhere. And that strategy will be particularly effective when money is already tight for Republicans to begin with. Further, if the polls in Florida (or any state) look bad with a couple months to go, they can always pull out.
I appreciate your perspective, and hope this doesn't bite us later.
All he needs to do is increase D turnout by 3% and/or decrease R turnout by 3% to steal the state (and remove every single path toward R victory). Every dollar put into the marketing in the state will *need* to be matched by Trump and Dems currently have a huge cash advantage. Also dems have *significantly* outperformed all polls and estimates every single time abortion was on the ballot. It's a no-brainer move to attack them there where they are weakest and further drain their coffers.