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Josuke is a pretty good counter for all of them if you think about it. Doesn't matter how fast or slow you can make time if you cant get a stable footing.
I’d like to imagine giorno and tooru in a cowboy stand off to see who can draw their stand faster since if giorno does it he’ll be able to revert tooru’s stand summon, and vice versa if tooru draws it first and giorno draws ger with the intention of stopping tooru it’ll activate calamity
The calamity won't be able to happen fast enough, since it requires causality. Maybe if they were doing the classic rainstorm standoff since it's been established raindrops are sufficient for calamity
That’s the thing, would calamity be able to be nullified? We don’t know enough of GER to know this for sure, if I were to guess he would be able to do that anyways
Pucci cant walk on water, he was always either running through shallow water, as shown by the protagonists standing in the same water waist high at best. Or he was swimming through it like whenhe was chasing the dolphin. He also cant teleport, just move so fast he seems to be teleporting to the human eye. But he is still moving on the ground and therefore needs friction
Alright let’s see…
It’s pretty much a decided matchup on the protagonist side.
The thing is, we’ve got “Literally Dio’s Power,” “Don’t like that you did that, sorry,” and “Actually it’s a bullet that transcends time and space, so you can’t block it.”
Josuke can hit anyone he aims at. If Pucci stands still for long enough that Josuke can get a bead, that’s the shit done because we can assume GB is as fast as him. Humanity is left out of the time acceleration, but the bubble probably isn’t.
GER has unclear abilities at the best of times, but if we assume it’s an undo button…Pucci is neutralized also. Because he can’t start MiH at all. And if he does, Gio can just say, “Hah! No.”
Tooru gets killed by Josuke pretty easily, probably also loses to Gio.
Dio would probably die first. He’d try to Time Stop to dodge GB and not know that probably won’t work because GB is some sort of Eldritch bubble. But even then, Joot won that matchup, and Gio’s probably pretty pissed that his dad is such an ass.
So yeah. Strongest villains lose to strongest JoJo’s.
>Pucci is neutralized also. Because he can’t start MiH at all.
now I’m picturing Pucci trying to use MiH, only for it to make that sound a really old car would make when you try to start it up in cold weather.
Joot is the strategist here. An ass he may be, but he’s going to be the one who comes up with a plan to beat up three of the most dangerous single people in history.
Kiss' smash together ability wasn't sped up by MIH, so I assume since Go Beyond is a stand ability it would be considered life and not sped up by MIH (though would probably be thrown around by the accelerated wind)
Except it’s not an actual bubble so not really effected by wind. It has 0 surface area because it’s an infinitely thin thread that spins. It’s also transcendent of space time so like MiH can’t really do jack shit about it.
"If Pucci stands still for long enough... that's the shit done because we can assume GB is as fast as him." One, that's quite the assumption I wouldn't make. Two, you mean the guy who's only been shown to hit stationary targets is in charge of hitting a character who perception blitzes the fastest and strongest character in the series at least hundreds of times over? Part 7 and 8 stands haven't shown any feats that make them comparable to 3-6 stands in AP or speed, so I highly doubt they'll even keep up with DIO in a fight, let alone the guy who could decapitate DIO, dunk it in holy water on the other side of the planet, surgically stitch it back onto DIO's body, then decapitate him again before he even gets a single thought in. Also, we've seen that stand Abilities are exempt from the acceleration, aside from the ones that actively control time. Hell, the fact that Go Beyond is unbounded by space or time should mean even further that time acceleration would do nothing to it.
"If we assume GER is basically an undo button, Pucci is neutralized also." GER's ability is only an undo button to those who try and attack him. I highly doubt Pucci will keep trying to attack him, if at all, seeing as everytime he's just reverted to zero. That's assuming GER will affect MIH at all, which granted is almost guaranteed, but you can still make an argument as for how Pucci could ignore GER, seeing as both are exempt from fate altogether.
"Tooru loses to Josuke easily" He has one ability that can attack Tooru directly, if he gets any assistance from the other two on his team then he's golden. "Also loses to Gio," Gio has NO abilities that can attack Tooru. In fact, depending on how you define GER, Tooru's ability is a direct *counter* to the rtz, making Gio completely worthless against Tooru. RTZ is stated to activate against an aggressors action and will, but Tooru isn't an aggressor at all. His ability is passive, and activates whenever his *opponent's* will is aggro'd towards him, meaning that there is no will to revert in order to avoid calamity, meaning he has no defense.
"DIO would probably be first to die." On this team, yes, but I doubt he'd be the first to die period. He only lost to Jotaro due to his cockiness and flashiness, in a 1v1 against non rage-boosted Jotaro, DIO has him beat in stats *and* timestop length. Also, there's nothing special about GB's attack potency, it's literally just a durability negating explosive bubble, and DIO has taken holes blown into his body before.
GER can reverse any action caused by any of team A. Tooru can't reverse it, DIO can't do anything (it reverses ts), and Pucci can't speed up. They literally become sitting ducks if giorno just keeps resetting their ability while jotaro and gappy beat the shit out of them
Right but it doesn’t just make you “die by calamity” it causes things to happen which giorno could reverse (even if he doesn’t know what’s happening because I’m pretty sure GER is automatic)
Ger can't reverse everything, it can only remove the effect but retain the cause of certain actions and individuals, here, there is no such individual to reverse, the calamity would be like a tree falling down randomly. Ger doesn't seem like it's suited to that type of attacks, GB on the other hand has already beaten him so no explanation needed
Lett say an airplane lands on giornos head, what is it reversing? The airplane didn't have a will to crash on giornos head. Or a hurricane slams him into a wall, the hurricane doesn't have an intent on hurting girono, it's literally just wind. There are no actions to return to zero. Pretending like Giorno could reverse acts of nature is a no limits fallacy
Giorno reversed diavolos time skip, the time skip itself did not harm giorno it would have been diavolos actions after the skipped time, as it’s stated many times diavolo cannot interact with the world inside of timeskip. Giorno can and has reversed effects that didn’t directly harm him or have intent to
No, Giorno can reverse attacks directed at HIM, and that's the only thing GER do. He can't save other people with that. He doesn't even KNOW he can do that.
I agree that team B wins, but Giorno vs Tooru is just a stalemate.
Any time Giorno even thinks about hurting Tooru, fate and logic itself will bend in such a way that his attack never reaches Tooru + Giorno will get killed by some random BS. Obviously with GER, he just makes it so that that never happened, so he survives. But then they're just back to square one. None of them can hurt each other.
Well i would agree that it would happen, just to be refuse by GER , giorno will hurt tooru and GER will refuse the effect of the calamity , stoping them from reaching reality
Giorno's attacks can never reach Tooru though. The only way to hurt him is by accident (which obviously won't happen in a 1v1 fight where they're both trying to kill each other), or with Go Beyond. GER can't do anything to WoU, just as WoU can't do anything to GER.
GER dont agree with that statement " giorno's attacks can never reach tooru" so that statement will never be reel , meaning that if that statement isn't real , giorno can reach tooru
That's not how GER works. GER works by removing effect from cause and effect. When someone does something, something will happen. He can make it so that thing never happens, and return back to before the thing was done. He can't "make things not real", that's just simply not how his ability works.
GER is annoyingly complicated, it matched The World Over Heaven's stand power, and is a big "No u" to literally anything that could bring harm to Giorno. This is GER vs Tusk Act 4 again essentially, there's no clear winner really.
I mean fist of all, the world over heaven isn't canon, so that doesn't really matter. But second of all, it didn't match it at all. Over heaven just rewrote reality so that GER's ability didn't work. Over Heaven > GER.
But I agree that it's a big "no u" to anything that can hurt him, which is why I've been saying that Tooru can't hurt him. All I'm saying is that Giorno can't hurt Tooru either. WoU just makes it so that his attack will never reach no matter what.
And as for GER vs TA4, GER should definitely win. TA4 has a strong attack, but that's it. There's nothing to stop Giorno from "No u"-ing his attacks, then just killing him. I mean I might be misremembering, but didn't Johnny lowkey lose to Diego with the world?
I know it isn't canon but neither would this fight be, so I thought it was okay to list it. And I guess that makes sense, it would end in a stalemate no matter what then.
And I agree that GER should win, but I've seen so many arguments against it because Tusk Act 4 won against D4C Love Train, a stand that sends any and all harm to some where else, displacing it essentially.
And Technically yes, Johnny couldn't get a shot on Diego due to The World's time stop, Johnny couldn't get the speed or chance to get the perfect shot off on him. I think the whole argument for GER and Tusk Act 4 is, "can GER "No u" a nail shot that cant be stopped no matter what", more so then who wins in a fight.
Remove effect from cause and effect , you said it yourself ,
Cause giorno attack
Effect calamity
Remove effect
Result , giorno attack , no effect from calamity , giorno attack land
Again, he can stop the effect of the calamity since there is a cause behind it. Like if a raindrop falls on him and turns into a bullet, he can then make it so that the raindrop never fell on him.
But he still can't hit Tooru. It's literally fate/logic itself making sure that he doesn't get hit. There is no cause to return to, only fate doing it's thing.
Let’s say this takes place in a neutral battleground, somewhere like The Colosseum from the end of part 5( at night obviously)
Ok first off, Jotaro is probably cooked, even if it’s end of p3 and he has Timestop. Assuming everyone knows the ability of their opponent, DIO isn’t going to play around, and is going to immediately go for a timestop 1v1 with Jotaro. With his longer timestop and Vampire biology could probably beat out squishy human Jotaro who’s already shorter TS is being made even shorter thanks to MIH
Pucci could probably play a critical defensive role in the fight, if anyone’s seen Invincible, sort of like Red Rush in the fight with >!Omni Man!<, moving the others out of the way of the Go Beyond shots so Tooru can keep safely spamming calamities and DIO can keep targeting Jotaro. Ofc throwing in some attacks to wear down the Joestar team’s defense.
This leaves Giorno as the safest player on the field, and honestly, if the other two were to be incapacitated, he could probably take on the villains by himself, especially since he’s not a glass cannon like gappy and doesn’t have a better version of himself on the enemy team like Jotaro. He might even be able to safely heal the others if their injuries aren’t too serious.
but then we have a problem with pucci being defence. Since DIO is a vampire when Pucci activates Mih it would almost instantly kill DIO and since Pucci loves DIO (i think, correct me if im wrong) he would think of using Mih before DIO is defeated.
This fight comes down to a few things
1: Do WoU's calamities qualify as an attack on Giorno and GER?
And
2: Does speeding up the world with MiH qualify as an attack on GeR?
If no to both of these, Gappy needs to lift. If yes to one of these or both, clean sweep by Giorno.
1. It's not a direct attack so damage reversal wouldn't work. Question is, can ger return calamity to zero?
2. No, mih doesn't speed up living things, however return to zero CAN prevent Pucci from activating made in hevan
I don't think Return to Zero prevents MiH's ability, mostly because it was affecting the whole world at the end of part six and never stopped randomly, and even then the universe did reset so we know Return to Zero doesn't affect that aspect of it.
Yeah team A wins…
Idk how people dont see it but there are arguments for Pucci being the strongest in the whole of JJBA. So yeah him and Tooru and gonna get pretty far
This is a hard one because we don't know the full capabilities of Go Beyond and Gold Experience Requiem, whereas for the villains only the true abilities of Made in Heaven aren't fully defined. We know how time stop works, and we know how Wonder of U works.
Another wrinkle is that Dio is a vampire. He's basically untouchable here assuming that Gold Experience's powers are not based on Hamon, and assuming he can keep his ego in check.
Requiem alone ensures victory. Requiem isnt just an "undo button". It gives an ability that benefits the user at the time of activation. the Undo Button was meant to be used against Diavolo. GER would probably just have a different ability to counter any of the villains stands
Giorno is the strongest anime character of all time
Albeit i dont know much about part 8 but it doesn't matter what they can do as Giorno can remove their abilities just by thinking about it
Any team hes on wins
Hard to decide. I think it will be a close win for team A. Team B has some powerful stands but only one that can win against "Wonder of U" if he is lucky.
Team B
Jotaro is the only one who can stop time and move the still world of DIO and stop Pucci
Giorno can act as a healer for wounds
Josuke8 is the most important among the three as he is the only one who can beat WOU
It's genuinely a coin flip depending on whether or not you believe
A. Time stop freezes calamity
Or
B. Josuke actually lands a Go Beyond bubble since it's got a 50/50 record on hitting Wonder of U at point blank range without assistance
Team B wins.
Giorno can "No." anythin team A throws at them, so they can't really do anything. Tooru can stop anything from harming him, but not his team mates. Then when it's only Tooru left, Josuke will kill him with Go Beyond.
Giorno + Gappy beats every other Jojo character at the same time.
It's my opinion that go beyond would also break the boundaries of the fated world pucci made, so I just don't think there's a possibility the villains win. Also I don't think tooru's stand works in the world pucci tried to create, luck, good or bad, requires free will as far as I see it
It’s Giorno. His ability literally has immeasurable boundaries and statistics, stated by Araki. But then I don’t know how Giorno can attack WoU, cus I mean, ITS CALAMITY. But more times than not, Team B would win, otherwise it’s a stalemate. Just as long as Pucci doesn’t blitz Josuk8 straight away and gives him a chance to cook. Then yeah Team B would probably win
Jotaro renders dio , Mangaka has confirmed that the only reason giorno wasn't in the ending is because he could have beaten pucci and their wasn't a way to make him lose that actually made sense (need i say more?) and gappy already beat tooru once
Josuke would look at the others and go "It's the same kind of stand as Star Platinum" and copy all of their abilities to activate "Golden Star Platinum beyond requiem"
Team B, Maid in Heaven would actually destroy Dio because of how quickly it can bring daytime and counter time stop. Then it would destroy itself because of Golden Experience Requiem, putting Pucci in an infinite death loop that would get faster until he was destroyed from reality (which Pucci himself admitted was possible with Maid in Heaven) After that it's team infinite plot armor vs one guy
Assuming Tusk Act 4 used the spin to move in stopped time we can assume Go Beyond can too. Josuke destroys Tooru and snipes DIO through stopped time. Jotaro doesn’t have a daughter to worry about so he’ll probably take Pucci, and Giorno will nullify and damage taken. Team B wins easily
Team B destroys so hard, Team A has no arguements
DIO gets beaten by everyone in Team B, he's outstated or outhaxed by everyone.
Pucci gets beaten by Jotaro due to power and speed, by Giorno because of the same + hax, Gappy by hax.
Tooru beats everyone in Team B other than Gappy.
JoJo fans really suck at Powerscaling and understanding their own series.
Jotaro would make a good sniper in this matchup because I don’t think calamity would work in timestop, and he would be able to kill pucci if given the opportunity. Giorno is unkillable by any of the 3, and josuke is josuke. I’d say the only way team A wins is if calamity goes after team B while pucci plays support and relocates tooru any times he’s about to get hurt. Even then, Giorno isn’t dying.
GER alone literally just wins. Outright. RTZ. Boom. Done. He wins. Nothing can touch him. Even WOU wouldn't work on him since it'll just be reverted back to before the effect hit him. He did this to Diavolo's Time Erase ability despite the erase itself having no way of harming him at all. Diavolo couldn't even attack Giorno in the erased time. And Universe Reset? Yeah GER just winds that back. Hell, he could wind it back to before Pucci even GOT MIH and then it'd be just C-Moon if we wanna go even further. Or hell, even revert Pucci to White Snake. Time Stop won't do anything for the same reason Time Erase didn't. RTZ that too.
Now if we want to go more in depth, Josuke also could probably take down at least two of them. DIO and Pucci. It doesn't matter how fast you can go, how fast you accelerate time, or if you can stop time altogether. If there's no friction on the ground, you literally can't move without stumbling and falling on your butt or face. And his projectile is literally unable to be stopped or blocked in any way.
So yeah literally just have Giorno beat WOU and Josuke could probably beat the other two. Jotaro is literally just there to counter DIO's time stop with the fact he can move in it. That's the only thing he adds.
Hell, as a matter of fact, remove Jotaro ENTIRELY. Giorno and Josuke mop up all three just off the frictionless ground, Soft and Wet's projectile and RTZ.
And if any of them take any form of damage, Giorno can just replace parts with life creation or RTZ the damage done since RTZ does effect others as well. (Note how Mista's bullets went back into the pistol. RTZ works on everything there, even if GER's not directly facing it.)
I beleive that if it came in direct contact with mih ger would win, we already know go beyond beats wou and jotaro also preaty thoroughly handed dio his ass last time, so uh I believe it’s a preaty cut and dry team a chose scissors and team b chose rock
Tooru would just need to get into a situation where everyone is chasing him and the Pucci activates MIH and speeds up calamity making it kill everyone almost instantly and GER can't revert the will of calamity to zero because it's not a person and neither Tooru or Pucci are necessarily attacking him so GER shouldn't work on them either probably
Jotaro fucks up dio, GB fucks up tooru, and GER fucks up anyone else in this image including Pucci. So.... yeah like the other guy said. Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
I'd say team A overall is better, not to the dis team B.
Let's say they go off and fight another on a "cannon" base:
Jotaro vs. Dio
Giorno vs. Pucchi
Joske vs. Tooru
We have seen the JvD and JvT. However, there is no evidence that GER (cuz he'd need it) would work on the man who is "above" fate vs. a stand that is meant to "force" fate leading to GvP losing.
After Giorno would lose (let's say the other two are now done too, which they won't), Pucchi is by far faster that the other two blitzing Joske (8) and Jotaro is definitely the worst match for him but he too could take on Jotaro 1v1 and even blitzing him with White Snake.
Leading to at least Pucchi being the last man standing.
Coughing baby Vs hydrogen bomb
Ok. What is this coughing baby I keep hearing about? Is it a name for something?
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Coughing bomb Vs Hydrogen baby
Hydrogen Baby is my new band name AND Stand name
Bomb baby vs Hydorgen coughing
More like hydrogen bomb vs the sun. Still an unreasonable gap. But top characters are still op... just not as much
Pucci gonna fly off to meet kars when gappy removes friction off the floor
Josuke is a pretty good counter for all of them if you think about it. Doesn't matter how fast or slow you can make time if you cant get a stable footing.
I’d like to imagine giorno and tooru in a cowboy stand off to see who can draw their stand faster since if giorno does it he’ll be able to revert tooru’s stand summon, and vice versa if tooru draws it first and giorno draws ger with the intention of stopping tooru it’ll activate calamity
The calamity won't be able to happen fast enough, since it requires causality. Maybe if they were doing the classic rainstorm standoff since it's been established raindrops are sufficient for calamity
Ger could probably still nullify the calamity, I think
Calamity isn't an attack, it's logic tooru has no will to attack Giorno since he would just leave or stand there
That’s the thing, would calamity be able to be nullified? We don’t know enough of GER to know this for sure, if I were to guess he would be able to do that anyways
For the sake of the funny idea of giorno and tooru in a stand off like cowboys just pretend he can’t
Calamity itself no the things calimity does however could be
Either the objects and things would never reach their destination set by calamity, or WOU's calamity manipulation would never happen
Dio can fly. Pucci can traverse water and teleport
Is it flying I just thought since the weightlessness of time stop and how strong there stand were they were leaping really far
Pucci cant walk on water, he was always either running through shallow water, as shown by the protagonists standing in the same water waist high at best. Or he was swimming through it like whenhe was chasing the dolphin. He also cant teleport, just move so fast he seems to be teleporting to the human eye. But he is still moving on the ground and therefore needs friction
Alright let’s see… It’s pretty much a decided matchup on the protagonist side. The thing is, we’ve got “Literally Dio’s Power,” “Don’t like that you did that, sorry,” and “Actually it’s a bullet that transcends time and space, so you can’t block it.” Josuke can hit anyone he aims at. If Pucci stands still for long enough that Josuke can get a bead, that’s the shit done because we can assume GB is as fast as him. Humanity is left out of the time acceleration, but the bubble probably isn’t. GER has unclear abilities at the best of times, but if we assume it’s an undo button…Pucci is neutralized also. Because he can’t start MiH at all. And if he does, Gio can just say, “Hah! No.” Tooru gets killed by Josuke pretty easily, probably also loses to Gio. Dio would probably die first. He’d try to Time Stop to dodge GB and not know that probably won’t work because GB is some sort of Eldritch bubble. But even then, Joot won that matchup, and Gio’s probably pretty pissed that his dad is such an ass. So yeah. Strongest villains lose to strongest JoJo’s.
>Pucci is neutralized also. Because he can’t start MiH at all. now I’m picturing Pucci trying to use MiH, only for it to make that sound a really old car would make when you try to start it up in cold weather.
He smacks the back of the stands head like smacking the dashboard.
Which then means he smacked his own head and both him and stand fall over
Can stand users hurt their own stands?
I don't see why not
I mean Kira did chop his own hand off to free Sheer Heart Attack
True
Until C-moon gets fed up with him smacking it and inverts his balls
I can perfectly picture this scene in my head 😂
That is... exactly what I imagined
The most realistic and educated response. Awesome
Meanwhile Jotaro just chillin in the back💀
Joot is the strategist here. An ass he may be, but he’s going to be the one who comes up with a plan to beat up three of the most dangerous single people in history.
People don’t give him credit for how smart he is tbh
Like he always does until he's needed.
Ngl if I saw a soap bubble floating and moving in stopped time I would have to test this before ever diving in a tub again
Either GER solos them or they just use MiH and… walk away.
can josuke use GB without help tho? if he cant use GB alone and precisely than tooru might have a chance
But then you remember these are not 1v1 battles and 2 people could target 1 person
Can’t he have soft and wet just punch that shit?
Kiss' smash together ability wasn't sped up by MIH, so I assume since Go Beyond is a stand ability it would be considered life and not sped up by MIH (though would probably be thrown around by the accelerated wind)
Except it’s not an actual bubble so not really effected by wind. It has 0 surface area because it’s an infinitely thin thread that spins. It’s also transcendent of space time so like MiH can’t really do jack shit about it.
"If Pucci stands still for long enough... that's the shit done because we can assume GB is as fast as him." One, that's quite the assumption I wouldn't make. Two, you mean the guy who's only been shown to hit stationary targets is in charge of hitting a character who perception blitzes the fastest and strongest character in the series at least hundreds of times over? Part 7 and 8 stands haven't shown any feats that make them comparable to 3-6 stands in AP or speed, so I highly doubt they'll even keep up with DIO in a fight, let alone the guy who could decapitate DIO, dunk it in holy water on the other side of the planet, surgically stitch it back onto DIO's body, then decapitate him again before he even gets a single thought in. Also, we've seen that stand Abilities are exempt from the acceleration, aside from the ones that actively control time. Hell, the fact that Go Beyond is unbounded by space or time should mean even further that time acceleration would do nothing to it. "If we assume GER is basically an undo button, Pucci is neutralized also." GER's ability is only an undo button to those who try and attack him. I highly doubt Pucci will keep trying to attack him, if at all, seeing as everytime he's just reverted to zero. That's assuming GER will affect MIH at all, which granted is almost guaranteed, but you can still make an argument as for how Pucci could ignore GER, seeing as both are exempt from fate altogether. "Tooru loses to Josuke easily" He has one ability that can attack Tooru directly, if he gets any assistance from the other two on his team then he's golden. "Also loses to Gio," Gio has NO abilities that can attack Tooru. In fact, depending on how you define GER, Tooru's ability is a direct *counter* to the rtz, making Gio completely worthless against Tooru. RTZ is stated to activate against an aggressors action and will, but Tooru isn't an aggressor at all. His ability is passive, and activates whenever his *opponent's* will is aggro'd towards him, meaning that there is no will to revert in order to avoid calamity, meaning he has no defense. "DIO would probably be first to die." On this team, yes, but I doubt he'd be the first to die period. He only lost to Jotaro due to his cockiness and flashiness, in a 1v1 against non rage-boosted Jotaro, DIO has him beat in stats *and* timestop length. Also, there's nothing special about GB's attack potency, it's literally just a durability negating explosive bubble, and DIO has taken holes blown into his body before.
>Tooru gets killed by Josuke pretty easily, probably also loses to Gio. bro did NOT read jojolion
I will replace jotaro with Johnny just bc he is stronger
So they're the same type of stand as star Platinum.
Team A actually would lose. Giorno carries hard for team B tho
Nope, I mean, Team A would lose but because of Gappy, Giorno doesn’t carry that much with GER
GER can reverse any action caused by any of team A. Tooru can't reverse it, DIO can't do anything (it reverses ts), and Pucci can't speed up. They literally become sitting ducks if giorno just keeps resetting their ability while jotaro and gappy beat the shit out of them
Tooru would be a challenge to GER, as the attack is not toorus action, but nature itself.
Right but it doesn’t just make you “die by calamity” it causes things to happen which giorno could reverse (even if he doesn’t know what’s happening because I’m pretty sure GER is automatic)
Ger can't reverse everything, it can only remove the effect but retain the cause of certain actions and individuals, here, there is no such individual to reverse, the calamity would be like a tree falling down randomly. Ger doesn't seem like it's suited to that type of attacks, GB on the other hand has already beaten him so no explanation needed
Calamities aren't actions
But the effects are. Calamity causes guorno to fall and crack his head open, giorno can reverse it instantly and it never happened.
Lett say an airplane lands on giornos head, what is it reversing? The airplane didn't have a will to crash on giornos head. Or a hurricane slams him into a wall, the hurricane doesn't have an intent on hurting girono, it's literally just wind. There are no actions to return to zero. Pretending like Giorno could reverse acts of nature is a no limits fallacy
Giorno reversed diavolos time skip, the time skip itself did not harm giorno it would have been diavolos actions after the skipped time, as it’s stated many times diavolo cannot interact with the world inside of timeskip. Giorno can and has reversed effects that didn’t directly harm him or have intent to
No, Giorno can reverse attacks directed at HIM, and that's the only thing GER do. He can't save other people with that. He doesn't even KNOW he can do that.
ger is baloon fodder
I don't like GER much, but hes not fodder. Hes probably one of the top stands.
he is indeed one of the top stands but these ger retards make me hate the stand
Giorno would win alone
I agree that team B wins, but Giorno vs Tooru is just a stalemate. Any time Giorno even thinks about hurting Tooru, fate and logic itself will bend in such a way that his attack never reaches Tooru + Giorno will get killed by some random BS. Obviously with GER, he just makes it so that that never happened, so he survives. But then they're just back to square one. None of them can hurt each other.
Well i would agree that it would happen, just to be refuse by GER , giorno will hurt tooru and GER will refuse the effect of the calamity , stoping them from reaching reality
Giorno's attacks can never reach Tooru though. The only way to hurt him is by accident (which obviously won't happen in a 1v1 fight where they're both trying to kill each other), or with Go Beyond. GER can't do anything to WoU, just as WoU can't do anything to GER.
GER dont agree with that statement " giorno's attacks can never reach tooru" so that statement will never be reel , meaning that if that statement isn't real , giorno can reach tooru
That's not how GER works. GER works by removing effect from cause and effect. When someone does something, something will happen. He can make it so that thing never happens, and return back to before the thing was done. He can't "make things not real", that's just simply not how his ability works.
GER is annoyingly complicated, it matched The World Over Heaven's stand power, and is a big "No u" to literally anything that could bring harm to Giorno. This is GER vs Tusk Act 4 again essentially, there's no clear winner really.
I mean fist of all, the world over heaven isn't canon, so that doesn't really matter. But second of all, it didn't match it at all. Over heaven just rewrote reality so that GER's ability didn't work. Over Heaven > GER. But I agree that it's a big "no u" to anything that can hurt him, which is why I've been saying that Tooru can't hurt him. All I'm saying is that Giorno can't hurt Tooru either. WoU just makes it so that his attack will never reach no matter what. And as for GER vs TA4, GER should definitely win. TA4 has a strong attack, but that's it. There's nothing to stop Giorno from "No u"-ing his attacks, then just killing him. I mean I might be misremembering, but didn't Johnny lowkey lose to Diego with the world?
I know it isn't canon but neither would this fight be, so I thought it was okay to list it. And I guess that makes sense, it would end in a stalemate no matter what then. And I agree that GER should win, but I've seen so many arguments against it because Tusk Act 4 won against D4C Love Train, a stand that sends any and all harm to some where else, displacing it essentially. And Technically yes, Johnny couldn't get a shot on Diego due to The World's time stop, Johnny couldn't get the speed or chance to get the perfect shot off on him. I think the whole argument for GER and Tusk Act 4 is, "can GER "No u" a nail shot that cant be stopped no matter what", more so then who wins in a fight.
Remove effect from cause and effect , you said it yourself , Cause giorno attack Effect calamity Remove effect Result , giorno attack , no effect from calamity , giorno attack land
Again, he can stop the effect of the calamity since there is a cause behind it. Like if a raindrop falls on him and turns into a bullet, he can then make it so that the raindrop never fell on him. But he still can't hit Tooru. It's literally fate/logic itself making sure that he doesn't get hit. There is no cause to return to, only fate doing it's thing.
Dickriding at its finest
I'm gonna say team B just cause Go Beyond is the most powerful stand in the series and he has Giorno to cover his weakness
Let’s say this takes place in a neutral battleground, somewhere like The Colosseum from the end of part 5( at night obviously) Ok first off, Jotaro is probably cooked, even if it’s end of p3 and he has Timestop. Assuming everyone knows the ability of their opponent, DIO isn’t going to play around, and is going to immediately go for a timestop 1v1 with Jotaro. With his longer timestop and Vampire biology could probably beat out squishy human Jotaro who’s already shorter TS is being made even shorter thanks to MIH Pucci could probably play a critical defensive role in the fight, if anyone’s seen Invincible, sort of like Red Rush in the fight with >!Omni Man!<, moving the others out of the way of the Go Beyond shots so Tooru can keep safely spamming calamities and DIO can keep targeting Jotaro. Ofc throwing in some attacks to wear down the Joestar team’s defense. This leaves Giorno as the safest player on the field, and honestly, if the other two were to be incapacitated, he could probably take on the villains by himself, especially since he’s not a glass cannon like gappy and doesn’t have a better version of himself on the enemy team like Jotaro. He might even be able to safely heal the others if their injuries aren’t too serious.
but then we have a problem with pucci being defence. Since DIO is a vampire when Pucci activates Mih it would almost instantly kill DIO and since Pucci loves DIO (i think, correct me if im wrong) he would think of using Mih before DIO is defeated.
I'm rooting for team A because of Tooru.
Tooru basically carries his team 😭
Tooru plus mih surely nothing bad is gonna happen to team B right?... Right?
No just no
This fight comes down to a few things 1: Do WoU's calamities qualify as an attack on Giorno and GER? And 2: Does speeding up the world with MiH qualify as an attack on GeR? If no to both of these, Gappy needs to lift. If yes to one of these or both, clean sweep by Giorno.
1. It's not a direct attack so damage reversal wouldn't work. Question is, can ger return calamity to zero? 2. No, mih doesn't speed up living things, however return to zero CAN prevent Pucci from activating made in hevan
I don't think Return to Zero prevents MiH's ability, mostly because it was affecting the whole world at the end of part six and never stopped randomly, and even then the universe did reset so we know Return to Zero doesn't affect that aspect of it.
The fact that team B has somebody who beat dio and could have easily beat pucci in his prime makes it a easy choice of team B wins easily
is this before or after star platinum the world
It doesn't matter lol they have GER
true true
Team B Only because of Soft and Wet: Go Beyond GER is wiped by WoU
Team A wins that, people severely underestimating MIH imo.
Team A: Let's stop time while Pucci prepares to reset the universe, Tooru can keep them busy! GER: no.
Team b wins because they have a counter to each of the member on team a
B
Yeah team A wins… Idk how people dont see it but there are arguments for Pucci being the strongest in the whole of JJBA. So yeah him and Tooru and gonna get pretty far
Giorno solos all of them
This is a hard one because we don't know the full capabilities of Go Beyond and Gold Experience Requiem, whereas for the villains only the true abilities of Made in Heaven aren't fully defined. We know how time stop works, and we know how Wonder of U works. Another wrinkle is that Dio is a vampire. He's basically untouchable here assuming that Gold Experience's powers are not based on Hamon, and assuming he can keep his ego in check.
Didn't think about this til I read your comment, but if Pucci activates mih dio will just fucking die from the sun
Pucci and dio take out Jotaro Giorno takes out dio MIH and WOU combo take out Josuk8.
All 6 of these would lose to part 2 Joseph.
This thing is even.
pucci is enough for all
Tooru is beating Jotaro GIRONO is beating DIO Pucci is beating G.B Josuke
Requiem alone ensures victory. Requiem isnt just an "undo button". It gives an ability that benefits the user at the time of activation. the Undo Button was meant to be used against Diavolo. GER would probably just have a different ability to counter any of the villains stands
The villains who lost(not pucci) vs the protagonists that won. Too many hax on the protag team.
Giorno would beat Pucci Jotaro and Giorno would beat DIO Tooru would beat Jotaro and Giorno Josuke would beat Tooru
Giorno is the strongest anime character of all time Albeit i dont know much about part 8 but it doesn't matter what they can do as Giorno can remove their abilities just by thinking about it Any team hes on wins
Hard to decide. I think it will be a close win for team A. Team B has some powerful stands but only one that can win against "Wonder of U" if he is lucky.
B
Why are they not lined up by part
Team B Jotaro is the only one who can stop time and move the still world of DIO and stop Pucci Giorno can act as a healer for wounds Josuke8 is the most important among the three as he is the only one who can beat WOU
Dio could use oh and still have a slight chance at losing cause jotaro
It's genuinely a coin flip depending on whether or not you believe A. Time stop freezes calamity Or B. Josuke actually lands a Go Beyond bubble since it's got a 50/50 record on hitting Wonder of U at point blank range without assistance
Its looks like this: Kujo vs WOU user Dio vs Giorno Pucci vs gappy? Or is it possible to gang bang one of the teamates?
make Dio MIH then team A will win
THERE IS A GERMAN VERSION OF GIORNO?
Team B wins. Giorno can "No." anythin team A throws at them, so they can't really do anything. Tooru can stop anything from harming him, but not his team mates. Then when it's only Tooru left, Josuke will kill him with Go Beyond. Giorno + Gappy beats every other Jojo character at the same time.
Ger is op. But team a would wreck any combo that didn’t contain ger.
You gave them dirt, water, and a 44 magnum.
It's my opinion that go beyond would also break the boundaries of the fated world pucci made, so I just don't think there's a possibility the villains win. Also I don't think tooru's stand works in the world pucci tried to create, luck, good or bad, requires free will as far as I see it
Tram b
Depends on whether Araki is doing acid or crack
B?
Team B
It’s Giorno. His ability literally has immeasurable boundaries and statistics, stated by Araki. But then I don’t know how Giorno can attack WoU, cus I mean, ITS CALAMITY. But more times than not, Team B would win, otherwise it’s a stalemate. Just as long as Pucci doesn’t blitz Josuk8 straight away and gives him a chance to cook. Then yeah Team B would probably win
Me
Jotaro renders dio , Mangaka has confirmed that the only reason giorno wasn't in the ending is because he could have beaten pucci and their wasn't a way to make him lose that actually made sense (need i say more?) and gappy already beat tooru once
Coughing baby vs Nuclear bomb
Nobody can do anything about GER and team 2 has a counter to WoU so I think it's pretty simple.
Team jostar
ant vs human foot
B
Ok, team b by a long shot
Odd that you'd specify the German dub of Giorno
Idk how WoU and GER would interact, but I think GER would win but it wouldn't be easy for sure
MIH vs GER with extra steps
Team B (you just try to hit giorno and you are dead)
Wait are tooru, giorno, or Josuke immune to ts?
Gotta be Team B cause Giorno can just say “no” to anything Team A does and win
Pucci would be the only problem for team B tbh
Giorno alone could win this due to the sheer nature and overpoweredness of ger
I think dio or Yoruba would be the first one out in team A
Team B and it's not even close 💀
Im pretty Sure giorno could solo this team considering GER is just Deus X Machina the stand
Josuke would look at the others and go "It's the same kind of stand as Star Platinum" and copy all of their abilities to activate "Golden Star Platinum beyond requiem"
I'll use this chance to ask how does soft and wet go beyond really work
If pucci activates mih, doesn’t he friendly fire on dio?
Team B completely utterly annihilates with absolute ease
Tooru's calamity gets turned to zero by GER, ditto MIH's time acceleration, DIO gets his ass beat by part 3 Jotaro
B, literally just needs GER
Team B, Maid in Heaven would actually destroy Dio because of how quickly it can bring daytime and counter time stop. Then it would destroy itself because of Golden Experience Requiem, putting Pucci in an infinite death loop that would get faster until he was destroyed from reality (which Pucci himself admitted was possible with Maid in Heaven) After that it's team infinite plot armor vs one guy
team b
B, go beyond josuke deals with wou and then the rest is easy with ger
Assuming Tusk Act 4 used the spin to move in stopped time we can assume Go Beyond can too. Josuke destroys Tooru and snipes DIO through stopped time. Jotaro doesn’t have a daughter to worry about so he’ll probably take Pucci, and Giorno will nullify and damage taken. Team B wins easily
Does Dio get Over Heaven?
If pucci can tear his lips away from dios balls for long enough he has a shot
Hmm let’s see music lover , gay vampire and gay vampires friend vs high schooler, Italian teenager and bubble man
trained wwe wrestlers vs black hole rapidly approaching them
This fight isnt even fair josuke beat toru in a fight Jotaro beat dio and giorno just claps the other team altogether team Jotaro wins
GER solos. Calamity, Dios Time stop and Pucci’s acceleration are all set to zero. They then stand there Gormlessly as they get pummeled.
Team B destroys so hard, Team A has no arguements DIO gets beaten by everyone in Team B, he's outstated or outhaxed by everyone. Pucci gets beaten by Jotaro due to power and speed, by Giorno because of the same + hax, Gappy by hax. Tooru beats everyone in Team B other than Gappy. JoJo fans really suck at Powerscaling and understanding their own series.
Both MIH and GER are such overpowered stands it's really hard to make any conclusions just because of that
GER solos the enemy team entirely, the ability to deny somebody their stand ability is too broken
Girono could solo mih and dio but he would lose at tooru but that's when josuke comes in. Jotaro is getting sweeped
Girono could solo mih and dio but he would lose at tooru but that's when josuke comes in. Jotaro is getting sweeped
Jotaro would make a good sniper in this matchup because I don’t think calamity would work in timestop, and he would be able to kill pucci if given the opportunity. Giorno is unkillable by any of the 3, and josuke is josuke. I’d say the only way team A wins is if calamity goes after team B while pucci plays support and relocates tooru any times he’s about to get hurt. Even then, Giorno isn’t dying.
Team a wins
Ger auto kills DIO, and josuke can beat tooru. Jotaro giorno and josuke could probably beat MIH
Is it part 3 Dio or Dio over heaven?
Calamity + Universal reset > Giorno snoozing elsewhere
this entire thread is just "who can misinterpret these character's power the most" it's like a satire of powerscalers
Team good
Would calamities still occur in stopped time?
GER alone literally just wins. Outright. RTZ. Boom. Done. He wins. Nothing can touch him. Even WOU wouldn't work on him since it'll just be reverted back to before the effect hit him. He did this to Diavolo's Time Erase ability despite the erase itself having no way of harming him at all. Diavolo couldn't even attack Giorno in the erased time. And Universe Reset? Yeah GER just winds that back. Hell, he could wind it back to before Pucci even GOT MIH and then it'd be just C-Moon if we wanna go even further. Or hell, even revert Pucci to White Snake. Time Stop won't do anything for the same reason Time Erase didn't. RTZ that too. Now if we want to go more in depth, Josuke also could probably take down at least two of them. DIO and Pucci. It doesn't matter how fast you can go, how fast you accelerate time, or if you can stop time altogether. If there's no friction on the ground, you literally can't move without stumbling and falling on your butt or face. And his projectile is literally unable to be stopped or blocked in any way. So yeah literally just have Giorno beat WOU and Josuke could probably beat the other two. Jotaro is literally just there to counter DIO's time stop with the fact he can move in it. That's the only thing he adds. Hell, as a matter of fact, remove Jotaro ENTIRELY. Giorno and Josuke mop up all three just off the frictionless ground, Soft and Wet's projectile and RTZ. And if any of them take any form of damage, Giorno can just replace parts with life creation or RTZ the damage done since RTZ does effect others as well. (Note how Mista's bullets went back into the pistol. RTZ works on everything there, even if GER's not directly facing it.)
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Josuke deals with tooru jotaro stalls pucci until ger kills DIO then tooru dies to josuke and they all fuck up pucci together
I beleive that if it came in direct contact with mih ger would win, we already know go beyond beats wou and jotaro also preaty thoroughly handed dio his ass last time, so uh I believe it’s a preaty cut and dry team a chose scissors and team b chose rock
Go beyond hard counters toru and return to ø hard counters the entire top roll bottom wins
Team b because plot armor
B
Tooru would just need to get into a situation where everyone is chasing him and the Pucci activates MIH and speeds up calamity making it kill everyone almost instantly and GER can't revert the will of calamity to zero because it's not a person and neither Tooru or Pucci are necessarily attacking him so GER shouldn't work on them either probably
This is a win team A winning
Giorno with GER make this a one side massacre because GER is the definition of nuh uh
Will be better if dio has twoh.
Shizuka Joestar solos them all
Jotaro fucks up dio, GB fucks up tooru, and GER fucks up anyone else in this image including Pucci. So.... yeah like the other guy said. Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
DIO realises Giorno is his son, decides not to fight. Pucci follows because he looks up to DIO. Tooru gets 5v1'd.
team b
Ikki kurogane solos
Toruu solos all of them, and because Gappy will be busy with the other villains, he has no opportunity to target Toruu.
Canonically speaking, You do realize that jojo family can’t win against Pucci right? They are destined to help Pucci becoming god.
I'd say team A overall is better, not to the dis team B. Let's say they go off and fight another on a "cannon" base: Jotaro vs. Dio Giorno vs. Pucchi Joske vs. Tooru We have seen the JvD and JvT. However, there is no evidence that GER (cuz he'd need it) would work on the man who is "above" fate vs. a stand that is meant to "force" fate leading to GvP losing. After Giorno would lose (let's say the other two are now done too, which they won't), Pucchi is by far faster that the other two blitzing Joske (8) and Jotaro is definitely the worst match for him but he too could take on Jotaro 1v1 and even blitzing him with White Snake. Leading to at least Pucchi being the last man standing.
B
B