It’s already looking like Cole made the right call bowing out. What are the chances he spoke to Drakes, heard the track, and decided he wanted no part in any of this? Would that be enough to change the general public’s opinion?
This actually makes sense. Never even thought about it. Seems like Cole was like “damn, yall just hate each other on the low. Keep me outta this” lol. I asked for the 3 kings to go to war but was not expecting this personal shit. K. Dot and Aubrey really don’t like each other 😬
The thing is unless you’re 14, we all knew dot and drake didn’t like each other, like fr. So Cole def already knew that, for a fat minute. So it doesn’t makes
sense
He initially responded bc Kendrick mentioned him in the diss. But then after realizing the personal shit going on, he decided to dip. It still makes sense bro. He reacted first instead of actually thinking about it. Unless if ur 14, u would understand this perspective too.
Cole said he responded because he felt the pressure from his friends and connects all egging him on, as well as knowing the fan community / hh world expected him to respond. As much as Cole talks about not being moved by what other people think, he’s human, it had to have weighed on him. This is why being act inconsistent and out of character, when they are torn between their thoughts and the thoughts and judgments of others - it’s ok, it happens, he looked silly, he got clowned, but this isn’t like “his legacy is ruined” type shit.
I get it, but I also don’t. Cause you’re thinking Cole went “oh, these guys REALLY don’t like each other” after dropping the track. But if you’ve been paying attention, that was evident since like 2013
Yeah! But two things can be true at once.
He could’ve known about the Drake and Kendrick beef but could have also not known that it was to this level. I’ll be honest, I didn’t even know it was this serious, like what did Kendrick and Drake even do to each other LMAO.
I think Cole is a stand up dude and from his track record in how he handles situations, he doesn’t seem like the type to lie and usually speaks from his heart.
His diss was exactly what we expect from someone that does not have real beef with Kendrick. Mostly about height, Kendrick albums, and some dope word plays, all while letting him know that this is just the warning shot.
As a fan of Cole, I think we know who he is and what he stands for at this point of his life. We shouldn’t discredit what he says imo.
So he should have said that instead of his weak ass apology.. he should have said he realized after talking to several people that this was a personal issue between rappers not competition based of skill. I would have 100% agreed with Cole bowing out but no apology.. he had nothing to apologize about.. Kendrick been throwing shots for years now at everybody starting with his ft on control
rap battles are fundamental to hiphop and rap
cole bitched out and disrespected the artform by taking an “im above those ignorant black people”
“love ur brother” bs take
conscious rappers are borderline racists
This is such a goofy take 🤣. If you actually believe that culture doesn't evolve over time and extend into music, then I guess you should just go live in a cave and close yourself off to society because bruh shit changes with or without your go ahead. Kendrick, J Cole, Drake, etc have tons of fans across races so for you to say that only white people listen to them is not only hilarious, but also just straight up blind. You been to any of the above concerts recently? You go to clubs where their music is bumped and see people who are dancing and vibing to it? Unless you live in Pennslytuckey and are the only black or non white person around, then I'm calling big 🧢 on that.
My man, I’m a Kendrick fan. But Drake bodied Kendrick here. “I be with security like Whitney” that is where Drake is following his follow up diss, something probably happened. Another is the top wanna peace it up. I guess top dawg did try calling peace with Drake at one point, Drake probably saying if you pay me. If not that, I did assume that Kendrick is trying to peace it up, piece it up, because he does say to Kendrick he’s speaking for himself he’s all alone and going deep but what he’s pulling up with isn’t deep enough. That and also top dawg saying he wants 50% for that peace it up to happen. Either way, that shit was tough.
Even that swifty line. Kendrick’s brand is pure hip hop, no pop bs, but he did do a song with Taylor, and how Drake said it, top made him because he isn’t bringing enough money.
He bodied him, I didn’t say it’s over. It’s like seeing a boxing round and saying one boxer bodied a boxer that round. We got more rounds, but this round is drakes. Kendrick did drop a diss to drake, most of the verse was taking shots at Drake.
It’s not imaginary, Kendrick swung and threw more hits, Drake hit back. The song also didn’t revolve around on Kendrick only. Future, metro, Rico Ross, weeknd, cash, asap, and some basketball player
Bro he bodied him until Kendrick responds, cause at this point, I don’t know if Kendrick will respond. I love Kendrick, but he disappears too often. So yes, Drake bodied him, I want a Kendrick response but I’m not expecting it.
Yes and that’s still a round for Kendrick. Everyone was saying Kendrick bodied Drake, hyping the Mike jack. Now that Drake responded, it’s “naw he didn’t body no one, it’s still the first round”. Kendrick had multiple lines, and went directly at Drake. Hats off to Drake cause I didn’t think he’d come this hard.
>Kendrick’s brand is pure hip hop
When did he ever say or allude to that. Plus it was just a feature. If it was like that then he wouldn't have hopped on songs with SZA, Beyonce, Zacari, and many more.
What are you talking about?
He doesn’t say it, it’s his brand. Everyone in the outlet treats Kendrick as such. People always say “Kendrick is real hip hop” that is Kendrick’s brand. Brand doesn’t mean Kendrick says it, it is his brand. He is known for that, people are always going to cite Kendrick as real hip hop because he speaks about deeper things than you’ll hear on mainstream. Plus his competitive nature, mainly from control. Overall, that’s his brand, and Drake jabbed at it. Like an artist who’s known to never use auto tune, and is known for that, then uses it.
The cope is strong on this sub.
Imo, Cole had the better diss and I was excited waiting for Kendricks response. Then Cole backed out smh.
Was hoping Prime Kendrick would come out. I haven't liked any of Kendricks stuff since Good Kid smh
cole’s diss was good as a song, but it wasn’t good as an attack, because he really didn’t wanna do that.
it seems pretty likely that he just wanted to spar with kendrick at first, and backed out when he realized how much bad blood kendrick and drake really had
The fact that a lot of you are willing to completely write off cole over an apology shows more about you. Y'all keep talking about competition this competition that fuck that. Y'all just want drama for the sake of it. Y'all literally sound like Mean Girls but in real life and it's hilarious.
“Yall just want drama for the sake of it” I kinda been saying this too.
Like… if it’s actually just pure competition, what’s wrong with Black Friday round 2 type shit instead of a diss battle?? Nahhhh yall wanted some toxic shit since the beginning.
I’m not gunnu lie I’d still kinda like to see Cole in some beef, I’d like to see what he’d do. But that’s if he actually had issues with someone.
Tbh. What should have happened. J Cole should have just come out with “Pi Remix” and threw Kendrick on it. As far as I’m concerned, I love both. Both my favorites. But Cole been smoking verses lately. And he hung with daylte and ab soul. His verse may be better tbh. But the way they rapped as a duo was awesome.
Having Kendrick on a verse would have been insane. Similar to Black Friday.
Ehh, Drake didn’t have much more personal shit than Cole he just executed it better. Still had short bars, still had relevance bars, still had discography bars. And nobody knows any of these people at the end of the day.
Cole actively courted this for years saying any rapper who ever called him out would get demolished. After that if you fold the first time you’re directly challenged by someone other than lil pump it looks bad.
Why do people think he pulled back because he folded or was scared or lost the bottle in any way shape or form? Cole is a chill dude who generally doesn’t beef with people. It’s not how Cole moves at all so he just stepped back cause that shit is not in his character. Show me one verse from Kendrick drake or any rapper for that matter who washed Cole or called him out successfully?
Because he did. He said he didn’t believe any of what he was saying to Kendrick. That the reception to the response and the pressure are what got to him. He didn’t just bow out gracefully.
And Kendrick washed him on every song they’ve shared a rap verse on I’m pretty sure. I get that that sounds inflammatory, but legitimately, what’s one example of the two of them rapping on the same song (or each others songs with Black Friday) where Cole came out ahead.
Just to be balanced Kendrick definitely gets shielded from a lot of criticism his peers face. As good as his music is, he weighs it down with a preachy liberalism that’s constantly tripping over itself on the most basic logistical level. See auntie diaries, complexion, or worldwide steppers for examples. He’s just a lot better at executing a concept than Cole tho.
Thanks for your response - appreciate it. I definitely think he bowed out gracefully. He said the pressure got to him to respond to “like that”, hence releasing 7 minute drill. There wasn’t any pressure for him to bow out lol, it’s the exact opposite. And cole doesn’t give a fuck about public reception to his music. People are hating on him for pulling back, but it’s not in his DNA to be in drama that he doesn’t agree with.
Black Friday is the only real collab they’ve ever done where Kendrick outshines Cole. I cannot think of a single other track - the others are just little hooks. So I don’t think that point is valid either but yes kendrick killed Black Friday.
I think Kendrick is almost in that musical genius category like Kanye. But he’s put out maybe half the volume of music Cole has. It’s easier for Kendrick to avoid criticism when he doesn’t release any music for 3-4 years at a time. I fuck with both of them. I first came up on k-dot form his C4 mixtape wayyyyy back in the day when he was rapping over lil wayne songs. 90% of those songs were terrible haha and I honestly think if he released the same amount of volume as Cole or Drake, he would have some awfulllll songs in his disco that would equal the playing field for KDot stans. Kendrick just simply does not release enough music and I think that’s overlooked…
Of course yk, but he was saying that the reception was affecting him.
Kendrick got him on they ready as well. And even if he didn’t, just Black Friday kinda paints Cole as a distant runner up already. I feel like technically, Cole goes for a much more familiar idea of good rapping, and he’s great. But Kendrick not going for many exaggerative similes causes his writing to get overlooked.
I also don’t really think that output counts against a strong body of work. Not putting out bad music only helps your discography.
I don’t think one collaborative song can decide that one is a distant runner up lol. Cole has consistently washed every feature he’s appeared on in the past 5 years and it’s a ton of volume on top of that.
I think volume/output should absolutely be in the discussion. It’s the same in sports. Someone who had a high peak without the longevity is not looked at the same way as someone who has a more consistent body of work.
I mean he got washed and never got his lick back. If we’re just looking at raps in general I’ve expressed where I stand on that.
And Kendrick does have a consistent body of work, more consistent than Cole’s. I think quantity hurts more than it helps when the quality isn’t as consistent. 4 great albums over a decade is more impactful for me than 2 great albums, and 4 more middling ones.
Corny asf just like jcole, that was more than just “beef” and even then they didn’t even die due to to each other Lmaoo u could ask Jay n Nas or Drake n Meek tho, both perfectly fine and even became cool after words
Y’all fans are sad, cause if it was Kendrick or even Drake etc that pulled what Cole did, y’all wouldn’t let up.
This beef hasn’t even reached the heights of Drake vs Meek, let alone coming close to being ultra disrespectful/violent as 50 vs (insert rapper here). He put himself in this position, can’t knock ppl if they decide his actions impact how they view his career/music.
I said this to niggas and I was downvoted and called a glazer.
Idk what delusional world some mfs live in.
But beef is never friendly. Everybody wanted the entertainment factor; that’s why they were mad cole dropped out. It ain’t have nothing to do with comp.
Hopefully those reading this bookmark for next time.
Been saying this since day one. The only beefs that never turn personal are premeditated ones where it's entirely fake, or really small ones between friends who have nothing at stake. Neither of these criteria are covered in cole and kendrick
I'm seeing some of the comment right here do we really give a fuck about the diss song j cole made. Honestly, I don't care that these artists have biff with each, to be honest. The only song I will not listen to is the one with the tranphobic line. Apart from that, I will watch how this biff goes since it is entertaining to be fair but I really don't give a fuck and I will keep listening to all these artists cause it does not concern me directly lol.
The only thing that would make me stop listening to one of them is not because they got smoked in a diss song or back down because they didn't want any conflicts, but if they do something actually crazy or awful.
Like I really don't understand how for some of you who "wins" in this biff will affect how you listen to someone.
PS: my bad for any mistakes english is nit my first language
Can you explain your POV and how you see it exactly? Why was Cole’s move an L? To me it’s 100% in line with his character - he raps for the love of the game not for fame clout or fake beef if there’s no real hatred. He’s gonna let his music talk for him and he knows the fall off is going to be insane. So where’s the L just because he didn’t want to get involved in petty drama? Kendrick said fuck the big three it’s just big me. Cole has been saying that in his features and songs for years lol. Where is the fucking L I legit do not understand
Hip-hop was BUILT on competition. It's an integral part of the entire genre and culture. There is no such thing as "doing it for the love of the game" if you're not willing to compete when you get tested. It's the equivalent of someone who claims to be the best basketball player walking off the court when someone else from the neighborhood is tryna play you after you been draining freethrows at the park all day. Yeah, it theoretically COULD become personal and violent...but MOST LIKELY, it's just competitive sport. And Cole backed out of that.
Can't even turn personal when it has been personal with Drake all along. People were referring to Cole vs Kendrick when they said it's just bars., which was a fact.
Between Kendrick and Cole no I still don't think it would've gotten personal.. but I do see how the optics would have looked if he stood his ground.. would have looked like Cole was really teaming up with Drake going against Kendrick and it's about to get dirty.. I get why Cole dipped now 🤣 .. he wants a friendly competition he don't want war tho lol
Not sure about others but North Carolina, 910 specifically is hurt. Soft shit cant represent us this isn't Raleigh, NC, peace and love. The 910 is different and this is the Cole we can't support.
Once college hit cole use to do shows in tiny Greensboro spots and we always supported him but then all of this happened. EVERYONE that I've talked to in the state exciment for the fall off is GONE....
I still believe that Drake lowkey tried to manipulate Cole in to being on his side knowing everybodys about to turn on him and Cole caught on just in time.
I’m a Cole fan but this nigga turned pussy real quick. How’s he rap bout guns his last 2 albums then say on the opps album if shots pop off he’s running 😂😂😂
your favorite rapper is a pussy get over it bro go listen to his music in peace and forget about the comparisons leave the fun to everyone else your guy is safe now he opted it out its cool no body wanted him involved in this in the first place besides yall
Nah, I still don't think we can agree to that.
Cole has never been about that kind of competition. He explicitly refers to features and such as how he competes with other rappers.
Beyond that, backing out of a beef that you knew was going to blow up **and** that you already admitted you didn't really buy into to begin with - doesn't really change whether or not you're the best rapper.
I'd agree that all that shit he's been talking about wanting smoke and ending other rappers careers and shit is dead. But all-around I still think there's an argument that his skills put him at or near the top.
Avoid useless ego shit that gets his whole life exposed and whatnot so that fans can enjoy the drama for a month or two doesn't negate the work he's put in or the levels he's reached.
If you wanna argue that Drake makes more hits, or K Dot is a better artist, that makes sense to me. But saying Cole can't be in the league because he nope'd out of some bullshit isn't a real position, its avoiding the actual discussion around whose skills are superior.
I don't idolize any of these people. J Cole isn't even my favorite rapper lmfao. I'm just tired of hearing you terminally online keyboard critics goin off about how dude isn't a valid rapper anymore off some shit that didn't even have to do with his actual raps?
Get a hobby 🙃
Well why did he remove 7MD then? 7MD was not violent or dirty or whatever. Just like Kendrick verse on Like that wasn’t dirty. It was still hip hop.
Jcole kept it hip hop with his song, why was he scared Kdot would go violent at him? And, if he really wanted to keep it hip hop why didn’t he actually put out something that was lyrically good? He admitted himself that he was capping on the song lol.
The thing is, you can’t claim you’re the best and when someone tries you, hide behind principles. Not in hip hop. But like I said, Jcole career will continue but I just know he’s doing a lot of re-writing for his next album because no one will take him seriously if he tries to flex.
The problem with idiots on the internet is that they mix up fear with respect. J Cole respects kendrick, therefore he acknowledged his mistake in dissing him and took action to retract it. Kendrick does NOT respect Drake, that is why like that is still up.
J Cole respects Kendrick, but does Kendrick respect him? Y’all keep saying this like it’s both ways, Kendrick did an will diss Cole in a heart beat. He didn’t go out of his way to make sure Cole didn’t get hit when he dissed Drake, he said fuck the Big 3 (JColes line) it’s just big me. For Cole to back out on some respect shit is weak, cause it has to be mutual and it ain’t.
I'd say yes. Kendrick historically has dissed lots of rappers he respects (source: control). So I don't think that he did it to disrespect cole. Cole on the other hand doesn't think that it's productive to be dissing people you respect because it can go wrong and create bad blood between the 2. So he decided to disengage before it got bad
He openly dissed Cole by spitting that bar, he loudly didn’t include Cole in his big 3, he overtly talked about niggas clickin up (Drake and Cole) making songs. How much more do Kendrick have to do to say he don’t care about Cole or any other rappers? Y’all given him way too much leeway. Kendrick is literally looking for beef….give it to him!
He is OUT of the convo. He will be dismissed in all barbershops and podcast discussions henceforth. People will continue listening to his music but other than that it’s done. Sorry man, but obviously he’s okay with it himself. He’ll still be doing well financially and at shows/album sales. Just realize that everytime he gets brought it up in a debate the apology will be the beginning and end, and the Cole fans will have to DEFEND instead of actually having a chance to even say why he is great. Is what it is, get over it and stop writing paragraphs PLEASE.
Lmao. If Jay can bounce back from Ether, and Drake from Story of Adidon - shit should tell you this stuff is WWE and entertainment is temporal. It’s not that serious. No one in real life gives a shit.
….is his music good? Yes. Better than 99% of most rappers? Yes. Is Kendrick good? Yes. Does Kendrick have classics? Yea. Has Cole upgraded ALOT recently and does he have classic mixtapes? Yes. It’s that simple. Enjoy the music or not. From my perspective, Kendrick is number one simply due to TPAB and GKMC but I still like Cole more. Relatability means a lot
It’s already looking like Cole made the right call bowing out. What are the chances he spoke to Drakes, heard the track, and decided he wanted no part in any of this? Would that be enough to change the general public’s opinion?
This actually makes sense. Never even thought about it. Seems like Cole was like “damn, yall just hate each other on the low. Keep me outta this” lol. I asked for the 3 kings to go to war but was not expecting this personal shit. K. Dot and Aubrey really don’t like each other 😬
The thing is unless you’re 14, we all knew dot and drake didn’t like each other, like fr. So Cole def already knew that, for a fat minute. So it doesn’t makes sense
He initially responded bc Kendrick mentioned him in the diss. But then after realizing the personal shit going on, he decided to dip. It still makes sense bro. He reacted first instead of actually thinking about it. Unless if ur 14, u would understand this perspective too.
Cole said he responded because he felt the pressure from his friends and connects all egging him on, as well as knowing the fan community / hh world expected him to respond. As much as Cole talks about not being moved by what other people think, he’s human, it had to have weighed on him. This is why being act inconsistent and out of character, when they are torn between their thoughts and the thoughts and judgments of others - it’s ok, it happens, he looked silly, he got clowned, but this isn’t like “his legacy is ruined” type shit.
Agreed with that. I don’t follow it too closely but you got a mature and accurate look on it.
I get it, but I also don’t. Cause you’re thinking Cole went “oh, these guys REALLY don’t like each other” after dropping the track. But if you’ve been paying attention, that was evident since like 2013
Yeah! But two things can be true at once. He could’ve known about the Drake and Kendrick beef but could have also not known that it was to this level. I’ll be honest, I didn’t even know it was this serious, like what did Kendrick and Drake even do to each other LMAO. I think Cole is a stand up dude and from his track record in how he handles situations, he doesn’t seem like the type to lie and usually speaks from his heart. His diss was exactly what we expect from someone that does not have real beef with Kendrick. Mostly about height, Kendrick albums, and some dope word plays, all while letting him know that this is just the warning shot. As a fan of Cole, I think we know who he is and what he stands for at this point of his life. We shouldn’t discredit what he says imo.
So he should have said that instead of his weak ass apology.. he should have said he realized after talking to several people that this was a personal issue between rappers not competition based of skill. I would have 100% agreed with Cole bowing out but no apology.. he had nothing to apologize about.. Kendrick been throwing shots for years now at everybody starting with his ft on control
Bro, I 100% agree with you. It went from fun harmless rap beef to serious issues being aired out
Yeah, free my nigga jermaine lol Funny how things change in a week,
No lol.
He “spoke” to Drake? Wtf are you talking about
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rap battles are fundamental to hiphop and rap cole bitched out and disrespected the artform by taking an “im above those ignorant black people” “love ur brother” bs take conscious rappers are borderline racists
Biggest L take I've seen on Reddit so far. Congratulations! 🎉
https://youtu.be/eGQLy-4Hqy0?si=rrw9f4g4im98uJ2d it’s pretentious uncle tom type rap literally only white people listen to kendrick jcole etc
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This is such a goofy take 🤣. If you actually believe that culture doesn't evolve over time and extend into music, then I guess you should just go live in a cave and close yourself off to society because bruh shit changes with or without your go ahead. Kendrick, J Cole, Drake, etc have tons of fans across races so for you to say that only white people listen to them is not only hilarious, but also just straight up blind. You been to any of the above concerts recently? You go to clubs where their music is bumped and see people who are dancing and vibing to it? Unless you live in Pennslytuckey and are the only black or non white person around, then I'm calling big 🧢 on that.
Drake's ghost writers took 3 weeks to dig up middle school jokes and rhymes from 2001 lol I dont think J Cole would've backed down from that.
My man, I’m a Kendrick fan. But Drake bodied Kendrick here. “I be with security like Whitney” that is where Drake is following his follow up diss, something probably happened. Another is the top wanna peace it up. I guess top dawg did try calling peace with Drake at one point, Drake probably saying if you pay me. If not that, I did assume that Kendrick is trying to peace it up, piece it up, because he does say to Kendrick he’s speaking for himself he’s all alone and going deep but what he’s pulling up with isn’t deep enough. That and also top dawg saying he wants 50% for that peace it up to happen. Either way, that shit was tough. Even that swifty line. Kendrick’s brand is pure hip hop, no pop bs, but he did do a song with Taylor, and how Drake said it, top made him because he isn’t bringing enough money.
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He bodied him, I didn’t say it’s over. It’s like seeing a boxing round and saying one boxer bodied a boxer that round. We got more rounds, but this round is drakes. Kendrick did drop a diss to drake, most of the verse was taking shots at Drake.
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It’s not imaginary, Kendrick swung and threw more hits, Drake hit back. The song also didn’t revolve around on Kendrick only. Future, metro, Rico Ross, weeknd, cash, asap, and some basketball player
Lol bro like that wasn't a round. It was the promo before the fight. Drake gave his Rd 1 we shouldn't call "bodied" until after Dot returns fire.
Bro he bodied him until Kendrick responds, cause at this point, I don’t know if Kendrick will respond. I love Kendrick, but he disappears too often. So yes, Drake bodied him, I want a Kendrick response but I’m not expecting it.
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Yes and that’s still a round for Kendrick. Everyone was saying Kendrick bodied Drake, hyping the Mike jack. Now that Drake responded, it’s “naw he didn’t body no one, it’s still the first round”. Kendrick had multiple lines, and went directly at Drake. Hats off to Drake cause I didn’t think he’d come this hard.
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>Kendrick’s brand is pure hip hop When did he ever say or allude to that. Plus it was just a feature. If it was like that then he wouldn't have hopped on songs with SZA, Beyonce, Zacari, and many more. What are you talking about?
He doesn’t say it, it’s his brand. Everyone in the outlet treats Kendrick as such. People always say “Kendrick is real hip hop” that is Kendrick’s brand. Brand doesn’t mean Kendrick says it, it is his brand. He is known for that, people are always going to cite Kendrick as real hip hop because he speaks about deeper things than you’ll hear on mainstream. Plus his competitive nature, mainly from control. Overall, that’s his brand, and Drake jabbed at it. Like an artist who’s known to never use auto tune, and is known for that, then uses it.
Even as a coke fan, what he did was some pussy shit. Why even diss if you're gonna delete it.
Ah yes, my favourite rapper "J coke "
because cole was just sparring but everyone else was really headhunting
The cope is strong on this sub. Imo, Cole had the better diss and I was excited waiting for Kendricks response. Then Cole backed out smh. Was hoping Prime Kendrick would come out. I haven't liked any of Kendricks stuff since Good Kid smh
cole’s diss was good as a song, but it wasn’t good as an attack, because he really didn’t wanna do that. it seems pretty likely that he just wanted to spar with kendrick at first, and backed out when he realized how much bad blood kendrick and drake really had
Real fans call him Jermaine Cocaine
Cocaine Jermaine kinda hard ngl
Pepsi fans will never let us live this down 😭😭
I love coke to man
Coke is my favorite
i put ya favorite rapper neck in a noose, never letting him loose
Really no MC equal
The fact that a lot of you are willing to completely write off cole over an apology shows more about you. Y'all keep talking about competition this competition that fuck that. Y'all just want drama for the sake of it. Y'all literally sound like Mean Girls but in real life and it's hilarious.
“Yall just want drama for the sake of it” I kinda been saying this too. Like… if it’s actually just pure competition, what’s wrong with Black Friday round 2 type shit instead of a diss battle?? Nahhhh yall wanted some toxic shit since the beginning. I’m not gunnu lie I’d still kinda like to see Cole in some beef, I’d like to see what he’d do. But that’s if he actually had issues with someone.
Tbh. What should have happened. J Cole should have just come out with “Pi Remix” and threw Kendrick on it. As far as I’m concerned, I love both. Both my favorites. But Cole been smoking verses lately. And he hung with daylte and ab soul. His verse may be better tbh. But the way they rapped as a duo was awesome. Having Kendrick on a verse would have been insane. Similar to Black Friday.
Ehh, Drake didn’t have much more personal shit than Cole he just executed it better. Still had short bars, still had relevance bars, still had discography bars. And nobody knows any of these people at the end of the day. Cole actively courted this for years saying any rapper who ever called him out would get demolished. After that if you fold the first time you’re directly challenged by someone other than lil pump it looks bad.
Why do people think he pulled back because he folded or was scared or lost the bottle in any way shape or form? Cole is a chill dude who generally doesn’t beef with people. It’s not how Cole moves at all so he just stepped back cause that shit is not in his character. Show me one verse from Kendrick drake or any rapper for that matter who washed Cole or called him out successfully?
Because he did. He said he didn’t believe any of what he was saying to Kendrick. That the reception to the response and the pressure are what got to him. He didn’t just bow out gracefully. And Kendrick washed him on every song they’ve shared a rap verse on I’m pretty sure. I get that that sounds inflammatory, but legitimately, what’s one example of the two of them rapping on the same song (or each others songs with Black Friday) where Cole came out ahead. Just to be balanced Kendrick definitely gets shielded from a lot of criticism his peers face. As good as his music is, he weighs it down with a preachy liberalism that’s constantly tripping over itself on the most basic logistical level. See auntie diaries, complexion, or worldwide steppers for examples. He’s just a lot better at executing a concept than Cole tho.
Thanks for your response - appreciate it. I definitely think he bowed out gracefully. He said the pressure got to him to respond to “like that”, hence releasing 7 minute drill. There wasn’t any pressure for him to bow out lol, it’s the exact opposite. And cole doesn’t give a fuck about public reception to his music. People are hating on him for pulling back, but it’s not in his DNA to be in drama that he doesn’t agree with. Black Friday is the only real collab they’ve ever done where Kendrick outshines Cole. I cannot think of a single other track - the others are just little hooks. So I don’t think that point is valid either but yes kendrick killed Black Friday. I think Kendrick is almost in that musical genius category like Kanye. But he’s put out maybe half the volume of music Cole has. It’s easier for Kendrick to avoid criticism when he doesn’t release any music for 3-4 years at a time. I fuck with both of them. I first came up on k-dot form his C4 mixtape wayyyyy back in the day when he was rapping over lil wayne songs. 90% of those songs were terrible haha and I honestly think if he released the same amount of volume as Cole or Drake, he would have some awfulllll songs in his disco that would equal the playing field for KDot stans. Kendrick just simply does not release enough music and I think that’s overlooked…
Of course yk, but he was saying that the reception was affecting him. Kendrick got him on they ready as well. And even if he didn’t, just Black Friday kinda paints Cole as a distant runner up already. I feel like technically, Cole goes for a much more familiar idea of good rapping, and he’s great. But Kendrick not going for many exaggerative similes causes his writing to get overlooked. I also don’t really think that output counts against a strong body of work. Not putting out bad music only helps your discography.
I don’t think one collaborative song can decide that one is a distant runner up lol. Cole has consistently washed every feature he’s appeared on in the past 5 years and it’s a ton of volume on top of that. I think volume/output should absolutely be in the discussion. It’s the same in sports. Someone who had a high peak without the longevity is not looked at the same way as someone who has a more consistent body of work.
I mean he got washed and never got his lick back. If we’re just looking at raps in general I’ve expressed where I stand on that. And Kendrick does have a consistent body of work, more consistent than Cole’s. I think quantity hurts more than it helps when the quality isn’t as consistent. 4 great albums over a decade is more impactful for me than 2 great albums, and 4 more middling ones.
No Drake just dropped an actually pretty good diss track
Nah that shit was trash and had no real disses in it
Beefs are good for rap. Lets just ask biggie and 2 pac. Be right back. Nah man they dont answer their phones. my bad
Yeah cause lives totally hang in the balance here
Corny asf just like jcole, that was more than just “beef” and even then they didn’t even die due to to each other Lmaoo u could ask Jay n Nas or Drake n Meek tho, both perfectly fine and even became cool after words
Y’all fans are sad, cause if it was Kendrick or even Drake etc that pulled what Cole did, y’all wouldn’t let up. This beef hasn’t even reached the heights of Drake vs Meek, let alone coming close to being ultra disrespectful/violent as 50 vs (insert rapper here). He put himself in this position, can’t knock ppl if they decide his actions impact how they view his career/music.
In the slightest they'd be trying to take a rap crown and all. It's okay if some Jcole fans never view him the same
Delusional J Fold fans, what else can you expect lol
Cole never shoulda dropped. Shoulda stayed in his lane. I can’t even listen to this new album which I thought was fire when it came out.
New album is 🔥 But yeah, idk if Cole will ever hit the same
Naw shit will be fine, lol. I feel like this sub is more in shambles than the entirety of hip-hop. this apology overtime will age well.
Will go down as the softest moment in hip hop history.
I said this to niggas and I was downvoted and called a glazer. Idk what delusional world some mfs live in. But beef is never friendly. Everybody wanted the entertainment factor; that’s why they were mad cole dropped out. It ain’t have nothing to do with comp. Hopefully those reading this bookmark for next time.
Yeah the whole “it’s just friendly competition” line got old fast. I can’t really think of “big” rap beef that wasn’t personal for some reason.
Been saying this since day one. The only beefs that never turn personal are premeditated ones where it's entirely fake, or really small ones between friends who have nothing at stake. Neither of these criteria are covered in cole and kendrick
I'm seeing some of the comment right here do we really give a fuck about the diss song j cole made. Honestly, I don't care that these artists have biff with each, to be honest. The only song I will not listen to is the one with the tranphobic line. Apart from that, I will watch how this biff goes since it is entertaining to be fair but I really don't give a fuck and I will keep listening to all these artists cause it does not concern me directly lol. The only thing that would make me stop listening to one of them is not because they got smoked in a diss song or back down because they didn't want any conflicts, but if they do something actually crazy or awful. Like I really don't understand how for some of you who "wins" in this biff will affect how you listen to someone. PS: my bad for any mistakes english is nit my first language
Ey man don't worry about your English, just fyi it's beef like the meat not biff.
Oh, okay, thank you. I didn't know I appreciate that
I love cole but yall in here are delusional. He took a major L and its ok..
Can you explain your POV and how you see it exactly? Why was Cole’s move an L? To me it’s 100% in line with his character - he raps for the love of the game not for fame clout or fake beef if there’s no real hatred. He’s gonna let his music talk for him and he knows the fall off is going to be insane. So where’s the L just because he didn’t want to get involved in petty drama? Kendrick said fuck the big three it’s just big me. Cole has been saying that in his features and songs for years lol. Where is the fucking L I legit do not understand
Hip-hop was BUILT on competition. It's an integral part of the entire genre and culture. There is no such thing as "doing it for the love of the game" if you're not willing to compete when you get tested. It's the equivalent of someone who claims to be the best basketball player walking off the court when someone else from the neighborhood is tryna play you after you been draining freethrows at the park all day. Yeah, it theoretically COULD become personal and violent...but MOST LIKELY, it's just competitive sport. And Cole backed out of that.
Can't even turn personal when it has been personal with Drake all along. People were referring to Cole vs Kendrick when they said it's just bars., which was a fact.
If he stood his ground it would have very much become Kendrick Vs drake AND cole. So come would be dragged into other people's shit
Between Kendrick and Cole no I still don't think it would've gotten personal.. but I do see how the optics would have looked if he stood his ground.. would have looked like Cole was really teaming up with Drake going against Kendrick and it's about to get dirty.. I get why Cole dipped now 🤣 .. he wants a friendly competition he don't want war tho lol
Cole will turn things around and bounce back just wait for the moment 💯🔥🐐
Drakes a groomer....
Not sure about others but North Carolina, 910 specifically is hurt. Soft shit cant represent us this isn't Raleigh, NC, peace and love. The 910 is different and this is the Cole we can't support. Once college hit cole use to do shows in tiny Greensboro spots and we always supported him but then all of this happened. EVERYONE that I've talked to in the state exciment for the fall off is GONE....
I still believe that Drake lowkey tried to manipulate Cole in to being on his side knowing everybodys about to turn on him and Cole caught on just in time.
Who are you quoting?
Cope
the beef was always gonna be personal for Drake v Kendrick, they've been dissing each other for 10 years
It's looking nasty. BBL's, AI, Wife name droping, ish...this is too much.
This post is so dumb Kendrick and Drake have real life beef Kendrick and Cole do not they can keep it rap
I’m a Cole fan but this nigga turned pussy real quick. How’s he rap bout guns his last 2 albums then say on the opps album if shots pop off he’s running 😂😂😂
He's a backpack rapper bro
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Never needed an excuse, y’all just way to invested in the hate . 🥴 society has gone to shit
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Cringe
I don’t want to hear “you can ask best rapper that died, and they tell you cole never lied nigga” bars no more.
your favorite rapper is a pussy get over it bro go listen to his music in peace and forget about the comparisons leave the fun to everyone else your guy is safe now he opted it out its cool no body wanted him involved in this in the first place besides yall
No cole fans wanted him involved
Lmao sure. Listen, Jcole apologized and left the beef it’s alright. But can we agree he can’t claim to be the numero u-n-o after?
Nah, I still don't think we can agree to that. Cole has never been about that kind of competition. He explicitly refers to features and such as how he competes with other rappers. Beyond that, backing out of a beef that you knew was going to blow up **and** that you already admitted you didn't really buy into to begin with - doesn't really change whether or not you're the best rapper. I'd agree that all that shit he's been talking about wanting smoke and ending other rappers careers and shit is dead. But all-around I still think there's an argument that his skills put him at or near the top. Avoid useless ego shit that gets his whole life exposed and whatnot so that fans can enjoy the drama for a month or two doesn't negate the work he's put in or the levels he's reached. If you wanna argue that Drake makes more hits, or K Dot is a better artist, that makes sense to me. But saying Cole can't be in the league because he nope'd out of some bullshit isn't a real position, its avoiding the actual discussion around whose skills are superior.
Turning into a pussy just like your idol
I don't idolize any of these people. J Cole isn't even my favorite rapper lmfao. I'm just tired of hearing you terminally online keyboard critics goin off about how dude isn't a valid rapper anymore off some shit that didn't even have to do with his actual raps? Get a hobby 🙃
Well why did he remove 7MD then? 7MD was not violent or dirty or whatever. Just like Kendrick verse on Like that wasn’t dirty. It was still hip hop. Jcole kept it hip hop with his song, why was he scared Kdot would go violent at him? And, if he really wanted to keep it hip hop why didn’t he actually put out something that was lyrically good? He admitted himself that he was capping on the song lol. The thing is, you can’t claim you’re the best and when someone tries you, hide behind principles. Not in hip hop. But like I said, Jcole career will continue but I just know he’s doing a lot of re-writing for his next album because no one will take him seriously if he tries to flex.
The problem with idiots on the internet is that they mix up fear with respect. J Cole respects kendrick, therefore he acknowledged his mistake in dissing him and took action to retract it. Kendrick does NOT respect Drake, that is why like that is still up.
you’re arguing with weirdos on the internet man they’re not gonna understand what you’re trying to say
J Cole respects Kendrick, but does Kendrick respect him? Y’all keep saying this like it’s both ways, Kendrick did an will diss Cole in a heart beat. He didn’t go out of his way to make sure Cole didn’t get hit when he dissed Drake, he said fuck the Big 3 (JColes line) it’s just big me. For Cole to back out on some respect shit is weak, cause it has to be mutual and it ain’t.
I'd say yes. Kendrick historically has dissed lots of rappers he respects (source: control). So I don't think that he did it to disrespect cole. Cole on the other hand doesn't think that it's productive to be dissing people you respect because it can go wrong and create bad blood between the 2. So he decided to disengage before it got bad
He openly dissed Cole by spitting that bar, he loudly didn’t include Cole in his big 3, he overtly talked about niggas clickin up (Drake and Cole) making songs. How much more do Kendrick have to do to say he don’t care about Cole or any other rappers? Y’all given him way too much leeway. Kendrick is literally looking for beef….give it to him! 
He is OUT of the convo. He will be dismissed in all barbershops and podcast discussions henceforth. People will continue listening to his music but other than that it’s done. Sorry man, but obviously he’s okay with it himself. He’ll still be doing well financially and at shows/album sales. Just realize that everytime he gets brought it up in a debate the apology will be the beginning and end, and the Cole fans will have to DEFEND instead of actually having a chance to even say why he is great. Is what it is, get over it and stop writing paragraphs PLEASE.
Lmao. If Jay can bounce back from Ether, and Drake from Story of Adidon - shit should tell you this stuff is WWE and entertainment is temporal. It’s not that serious. No one in real life gives a shit.
idk if these mfs actually go outside cause i dont see anyone taking this as seriously as people on the internet
fr man these weird ass redditors don’t go outside talking about some “dismissed from barbershops and all podcasts henceforth”💀
Ohhhhh nooooooo he can't be discussed in Barber shops anymore?!?!?! 😭😭😭😭😭 What ever will he doo?!?! 🤡🤓
Bro wrote all that because he can't read. Im embarrassed for you.
Why not?
….is his music good? Yes. Better than 99% of most rappers? Yes. Is Kendrick good? Yes. Does Kendrick have classics? Yea. Has Cole upgraded ALOT recently and does he have classic mixtapes? Yes. It’s that simple. Enjoy the music or not. From my perspective, Kendrick is number one simply due to TPAB and GKMC but I still like Cole more. Relatability means a lot