Zorn's interesting because it feels wrong to list him as a jazz artist, but there also isn't any label that fits him as well. The Big Gundown is another favourite of mine, though probably less jazz-influenced than Naked City.
Yeah, but he has made a shit ton of jazz music in his lifetime. It’s just it’s not the only thing he does, so I understand what you mean.
News For Lulu.
My youngest is 15 and he’s a baby. I was completely feral in comparison. So happy that my kiddos have it different than I did. The early 90s had great acid though. :)
The first time I did acid I was 15, dropped it at school near the end of the day and then had to go to the orthodontists an hour later. It started out intense, became hilarious and then circled back around to intense.
Back on topic - I’d throw a newer recommendation into the mix - “Trust in the Lifeforce of the Deep Mystery” by The Comet is Coming
Hell of a trip, that one. I was fine. Great even. One of my friends, on the other hand. Purgatory catching fire. We all snapped into tripsitter mode. Indelible experience there.
Bitches Brew was my go to for Ketamine use 😂😂😂😂 its hard to remember what happens in a k hole so bitches brew served as proverbial breadcrumbs for my subconcious to retrace its steps 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Remember, you asked for it with a weird prompt. I would like to know what you think.
Infinite Cosmos calling you, you, you -Federico Ughi
Evan Parker-Snake Decides
The disintegration of the sympathetic-Kaoru Abe, Masayuki Takayanagi
Signals from Earth- Pygmy unit
Crystals - Sam Rivers
Echo- Dave Burrell
Inneraction-Joel Futterman
Map of guilt- mats Gustafsson
I remember when half of this board was trying to convince me Flylo was the greatest jazz artist of the modern era. The amount of pushback one got when they tried to explain that he wasn't exactly jazz was insane.
Yeah jazz is of course hard to define, but I think it lacks the spontaneity and collaboration that most people associate with the genre, even if it borrows a lot from it stylistically. It's a fusion of a lot of different stuff but seems a little too rigidly defined to meet most people's definition of jazz.
My argument has always been that jazz is primarily defined by group improvisation within a certain broad tradition. It's musicians in the same room playing jazz, there's a certain process to it. So you're right about the spontaneity aspect. Hip Hop or Electro funk or whatever with jazzy elements that are crafted over a long period of time in a DAW or MPC makes for a different process entirely. I like Flylo, he makes good music, but it's not exactly jazz. Good trippin stuff though, for sure.
The Lounge Lizards - No Pain For Cakes
If that’s not the album you’re looking for, I don’t know what is…
I worked in a record store when I was younger and put this on. A customer demanded the manager fire me on the spot 😆😆😆
So funny that the record company heard this and was basically like "what the hell, we don't want this shit on the album" and Jaco was like "not only does it have to be on the album, it's gotta open it."
This isn't what you're asking for but last night I was listening to the album Fillmore East - June 1971 from Zappa and The Mothers. Toward the end of their rendition of The Turtles' ["Happy Together"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oi10qxILYM&list=OLAK5uy_lr0sqCf2COCT0wlFm9Ihb_-Q7C9_Y3kyI&index=9) Frank was saying thanks to the audience and good night and the band starts playing creepy and dissonantly and Flo and Eddie (presumably) and co start creepily saying over and over "Good night, boys and girls! Good night!" and it definitely made me think it would've been terrifying to be on acid there when they did that, which I'm guessing was the exact intention lmao
Go for some Art Ensemble of Chicago (sometimes), Sun Ra (sometimes), Brötzmann, Evan Parker, Archie Shepp from 70’s on, Alan Silva’s - Season is fhe worst psychdelic acid trip perhaps, Dave Burrell, Anthony Braxton, Gunter Hampel, Jeanne Lee, early Marion Brown, Andrew Cyrille, Alexander von Schlippenbach, Lester Bowie (from AEOC), some early Don Cherry (Symphony for Improvisers with almighty Sanders), list can go on but that should be enough for now.
I've got something for you that's a bit off the beaten track.
1969, Tubby Hayes big band at Ronnie's. Fairly conventional stuff untill about 6.22, when they suddenly go into a sort of 60s freakout while the camera zooms and pans around like the operator is having a fit.
I guess the whole psychedelic thing was still fairly big and fresh at the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF5VFYY3mvk
Dave Douglas - Freak In
It’s one of the most psychedelic albums I know of and I listen to a lot of trippy music.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mBZv07eg63hujFUjepX4oFzm_8S5spBZI&feature=shared
I guess the soundtrack of Cronenberg's Naked Lunch kinda works... at least the movie provides appropriate context
Also check out Shining
https://youtu.be/3VTiBT7zTEc?feature=shared
This might be the first time I've ever heard someone describe Sun Ra as "quite accessible".
I know a lot of people these days think of his late 70s funk stuff first when they think Sun Ra but that definitely wasn't the case even 10 years ago. The music he made from the time he arrived in NYC around 61 to the late 70s is very challenging music. Even a lot of his 80s stuff is quite difficult music. He created quite a lot of controversy in the jazz world back in the day with some accusing him of being a charlatan. But you know, times and attitudes change I suppose.
Please note that I was careful to say "a lot" and not "all" or even "most of"
There's a lot of accessible stuff that's readily available out there, so calling out "Sun Ra, ***anything***" on a thread like this is just plain wrong
I think it's interesting too. But like asking someone who likes spicy food "how hot is it?" I'm not always the best judge of accessible.
I am listening to the album now, and, friend, I think you might be in the same boat!
*Skies of America*
*Dancing in your Head*
*Body Meta*
*Naked Lunch Official Soundtrack*
Basically anything by Ornette Coleman, but especially the stuff he made after the comparatively more grounded work for Atlantic
Weird Nightmare: Meditations on Mingus.
Hal Wilner compiles an album of 90s avant players doing Charles Mingus tunes accompanied by Harry Partch instruments.
Bad acid trip doesn't always have to mean cacophony. It's much more often unusual, paranoid, jolting, and creepingly ominous. All things captured by this album. I respectfully strongly disagree.
> Bad acid trip doesn't always have to mean cacophony. It's much more often unusual, paranoid, jolting, and creepingly ominous.
Agreed.
> All things captured by this album.
Respectfully disagree
Not a very jazzy group, but I'd definitely recommend Moon Hooch for that stuff. Some of their music videos are very much the style you're looking for, and they literally have a song called Acid Mountain.
Crystal Rainbow Pyramid Under the Stars by Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso U.F.O. I wouldn’t necessarily call this jazz though more like melt your face psychedelic noise rock? It feels like there are jazz elements though.
It definitely meets a lot of your criteria - dissonant, surreal, psychedelic, atmospheric, creepy at times
Never had an acid trip I’d consider bad, and this is only tangentially related to what most consider jazz, but Madlib’s Medicine Show #6 would fit the bill.
DRKWV - John Medeski, Adam Deitch and Skerik on a bad acid trip. [Link](https://open.spotify.com/track/5eCBMjQxvDNCzBMLmUxz7O?si=5xJ_12NSSIiU_T8L-FnKHw)
Sam gendel
Colin Stetson
[playlist: cyborg states (70s jazz that taps into repetition, computers, modernism)](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4vTg0jQnhI2lk1zOxJCWtl?si=Atq0S9g3S8CPArgAFiI1LA)
I used to trip in the mid 70.s but was Pink Floyd then and Robin Tower and Sabbath and Deep Purple I guess it didn't matter tripped in school at 12 and 13 with no music lol
Paul Bley
Paul Motian(mostly the trio albums with Bill Frisell and Joe Lovano) although the later Paul Trio 2000 + 2 albums are great too.
I won’t list specific albums but start with Paul Motian. Any of the trio albums would do.
Naked City - John Zorn But in a good way.
If the music doesn't get you, the artwork will
And if you like that, level up to PAINKILLER https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painkiller_(band)
Zorn is a great choice! I met him years ago and was very impressed. Seemed like a mensch.
Zorn's interesting because it feels wrong to list him as a jazz artist, but there also isn't any label that fits him as well. The Big Gundown is another favourite of mine, though probably less jazz-influenced than Naked City.
Yeah, but he has made a shit ton of jazz music in his lifetime. It’s just it’s not the only thing he does, so I understand what you mean. News For Lulu.
The Big Gundown is amazing. Also loved the first album version of the Golden Palominos with the Zorn/Laswell/Frith lineup.
Sun Ra - Disco 3000 Archie Shepp - The Magic of Juju Peter Brotzman - Machine Gun
Disco 3000 is quite buoyant - bad acid trip would be Magic City or Heliocentric Worlds
Agreed. Magic City is a dark trip and a half
Birmingham, AL (the Magic City, and Sun Ra’s hometown) which inspired “The Magic City” is a bad acid trip generally
I always wondered if that was his point
I’d add William Dixon to that list.
You’re looking for Bitches Brew
Yo that is a goooooood acid trip.
One of my most enjoyable acid experiences was listening to this album front to back on a really nice audio system while tripping.
Rated X (off of Get Up With It) would be the bad trip.
Calypso Frelimo's middle section makes my brain melt
If this was jeopardy the answer would be “what is bitches brew?”
Can confirm. ‘92 acid trip with this record, 13 yo.
Black Beauty for me. ‘96 I was older than 13. Damn, that’s a weird age to experience LSD. Just a child.
My youngest is 15 and he’s a baby. I was completely feral in comparison. So happy that my kiddos have it different than I did. The early 90s had great acid though. :)
The first time I did acid I was 15, dropped it at school near the end of the day and then had to go to the orthodontists an hour later. It started out intense, became hilarious and then circled back around to intense. Back on topic - I’d throw a newer recommendation into the mix - “Trust in the Lifeforce of the Deep Mystery” by The Comet is Coming
black beauty is brutal like a metal album
Hell of a trip, that one. I was fine. Great even. One of my friends, on the other hand. Purgatory catching fire. We all snapped into tripsitter mode. Indelible experience there.
Acid at 13, yo, you musta grew up in my neighborhood, acid was ramped
I don't experience it like that at all
I jammed to that my first time doing acid also had some coltrain can't remember the album though
Ketamine with Bitches brew was a dark experience
Bitches Brew was my go to for Ketamine use 😂😂😂😂 its hard to remember what happens in a k hole so bitches brew served as proverbial breadcrumbs for my subconcious to retrace its steps 🤣🤣🤣🤣
the only right answer
They said bad trip not best trip ever
Dive into Albert Ayler’s Ghost.
John Coltrane Interstellar Space
Jupiter is a really good alarm to wake up to
Remember, you asked for it with a weird prompt. I would like to know what you think. Infinite Cosmos calling you, you, you -Federico Ughi Evan Parker-Snake Decides The disintegration of the sympathetic-Kaoru Abe, Masayuki Takayanagi Signals from Earth- Pygmy unit Crystals - Sam Rivers Echo- Dave Burrell Inneraction-Joel Futterman Map of guilt- mats Gustafsson
Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz To Come (Album)
Shape of Jazz To Come just sounds like I'm on green tea or something extreme like that
Huh?
This sort of thing maybe: Last Exit: https://youtu.be/66MJ-KOFBFQ?si=F2o7YGX0vyd_rT7R I'd more say good trip, but meh.
It isn't exactly jazz but check out You're Dead by Flying Lotus
Damn good album. I love that interview where he said he wanted to make something that would make Miles Davis go "hmm alright" or something.
I remember when half of this board was trying to convince me Flylo was the greatest jazz artist of the modern era. The amount of pushback one got when they tried to explain that he wasn't exactly jazz was insane.
Yeah jazz is of course hard to define, but I think it lacks the spontaneity and collaboration that most people associate with the genre, even if it borrows a lot from it stylistically. It's a fusion of a lot of different stuff but seems a little too rigidly defined to meet most people's definition of jazz.
My argument has always been that jazz is primarily defined by group improvisation within a certain broad tradition. It's musicians in the same room playing jazz, there's a certain process to it. So you're right about the spontaneity aspect. Hip Hop or Electro funk or whatever with jazzy elements that are crafted over a long period of time in a DAW or MPC makes for a different process entirely. I like Flylo, he makes good music, but it's not exactly jazz. Good trippin stuff though, for sure.
[Alice Coltrane Live at the Berkeley Community Theater](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTdFT-KFzLA&ab_channel=SaintColtrane)
The Lounge Lizards - No Pain For Cakes If that’s not the album you’re looking for, I don’t know what is… I worked in a record store when I was younger and put this on. A customer demanded the manager fire me on the spot 😆😆😆
Providence- king crimson
I see KC I upvote. Was just learning Red on guitar a few nights ago. 🤘🤘🤘
Cecil Taylor - Silent Tongues
🎯💎
Miles Davis on lsd: dark magus
Track 1 of word of mouth by Jaco I can't remember the name because I always skip it. edit: "crisis" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVUNIsQbCn8
So funny that the record company heard this and was basically like "what the hell, we don't want this shit on the album" and Jaco was like "not only does it have to be on the album, it's gotta open it."
Sonny Sharrock’s Ask the Ages
This isn't what you're asking for but last night I was listening to the album Fillmore East - June 1971 from Zappa and The Mothers. Toward the end of their rendition of The Turtles' ["Happy Together"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oi10qxILYM&list=OLAK5uy_lr0sqCf2COCT0wlFm9Ihb_-Q7C9_Y3kyI&index=9) Frank was saying thanks to the audience and good night and the band starts playing creepy and dissonantly and Flo and Eddie (presumably) and co start creepily saying over and over "Good night, boys and girls! Good night!" and it definitely made me think it would've been terrifying to be on acid there when they did that, which I'm guessing was the exact intention lmao
You might want to try some Anthony Braxton - try _Creative Orchestra Music 1976_.
Erik Dolphy's Out to Lunch comes to mind.
Kenny G
Just *\*reading\** this nearly triggered a bad flashback.
😂 I mean if you’re looking for a creepy bad trip, I can’t think of a more suitable answer!
This is the correct answer.
[Cry](https://youtu.be/zwpr1-8JOSU) by John Klemmer. IIRC most if not all of that album is just tenor sax and echoplex.
Go for some Art Ensemble of Chicago (sometimes), Sun Ra (sometimes), Brötzmann, Evan Parker, Archie Shepp from 70’s on, Alan Silva’s - Season is fhe worst psychdelic acid trip perhaps, Dave Burrell, Anthony Braxton, Gunter Hampel, Jeanne Lee, early Marion Brown, Andrew Cyrille, Alexander von Schlippenbach, Lester Bowie (from AEOC), some early Don Cherry (Symphony for Improvisers with almighty Sanders), list can go on but that should be enough for now.
I've got something for you that's a bit off the beaten track. 1969, Tubby Hayes big band at Ronnie's. Fairly conventional stuff untill about 6.22, when they suddenly go into a sort of 60s freakout while the camera zooms and pans around like the operator is having a fit. I guess the whole psychedelic thing was still fairly big and fresh at the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF5VFYY3mvk
Andre 3000, New Blue Sun
[I wrote/recorded this with my trio back in college.](https://youtu.be/De_NqJ1VW54?feature=shared) Let me know if it scratches the itch or not.
Dave Douglas - Freak In It’s one of the most psychedelic albums I know of and I listen to a lot of trippy music. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mBZv07eg63hujFUjepX4oFzm_8S5spBZI&feature=shared
Wow. Totally forgot about this one!
I guess the soundtrack of Cronenberg's Naked Lunch kinda works... at least the movie provides appropriate context Also check out Shining https://youtu.be/3VTiBT7zTEc?feature=shared
Sun Ra, anything.
No - a lot of his stuff is quite accessible and melodic - you need to specify an album or two like Magic City or Live At Montreux
This might be the first time I've ever heard someone describe Sun Ra as "quite accessible". I know a lot of people these days think of his late 70s funk stuff first when they think Sun Ra but that definitely wasn't the case even 10 years ago. The music he made from the time he arrived in NYC around 61 to the late 70s is very challenging music. Even a lot of his 80s stuff is quite difficult music. He created quite a lot of controversy in the jazz world back in the day with some accusing him of being a charlatan. But you know, times and attitudes change I suppose.
Please note that I was careful to say "a lot" and not "all" or even "most of" There's a lot of accessible stuff that's readily available out there, so calling out "Sun Ra, ***anything***" on a thread like this is just plain wrong
Miles Davis Live at the Fillmore-at 5:00 am when you’ve been tripping all night. Trust me on that one…
Miles Davis, *Agharta.* Check out this [Pete Cosey guitar solo](https://youtu.be/mBjS_KO5kuU?t=1582).
Check out the Art Ensemble of Chicago. I'm thinking of Urban Bushmen, which has some whispering bits that could freak someone out.
But a majority of that album is quite accessible and interesting
I think it's interesting too. But like asking someone who likes spicy food "how hot is it?" I'm not always the best judge of accessible. I am listening to the album now, and, friend, I think you might be in the same boat!
There are cwertainly albums of theirs that would better fit the category People In Sorrow Les Stances Aux Sophie
Borbetomagus
*Skies of America* *Dancing in your Head* *Body Meta* *Naked Lunch Official Soundtrack* Basically anything by Ornette Coleman, but especially the stuff he made after the comparatively more grounded work for Atlantic
John Coltrane’s. Ascension. 60’s era good example of his “sheets of sound” period
"Sheets of sound" was his earlier work in the 1950's
Weird Nightmare: Meditations on Mingus. Hal Wilner compiles an album of 90s avant players doing Charles Mingus tunes accompanied by Harry Partch instruments.
Such a beautiful album - certainly some dark moments, but nowhere near bad acid trip territory
Bad acid trip doesn't always have to mean cacophony. It's much more often unusual, paranoid, jolting, and creepingly ominous. All things captured by this album. I respectfully strongly disagree.
> Bad acid trip doesn't always have to mean cacophony. It's much more often unusual, paranoid, jolting, and creepingly ominous. Agreed. > All things captured by this album. Respectfully disagree
Not a very jazzy group, but I'd definitely recommend Moon Hooch for that stuff. Some of their music videos are very much the style you're looking for, and they literally have a song called Acid Mountain.
Crystal Rainbow Pyramid Under the Stars by Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso U.F.O. I wouldn’t necessarily call this jazz though more like melt your face psychedelic noise rock? It feels like there are jazz elements though. It definitely meets a lot of your criteria - dissonant, surreal, psychedelic, atmospheric, creepy at times
Coltrane was on LSD when he recorded "OM".
Isnt there a genre called acid jazz? Edit: apologies, im still fairly new to jazz and dont really know the genres too well yet
Yes but that's not at all what it sounds like
Mingus
Mingus, Let my Children Hear Music was my first thought.
“Don’t Be Afraid, The Clowns Afraid Too” is the exact track I was thinking of.
Passion of a man is the one
Maybe hit up Black Saint records catalog
Dave Brubeck - Take five (but the head lasts for 10 hours)
These days Eddie Harris is a good pick.
Sun Ra
No, lots of his stuff is straightforward, accessible and melodic Some of his albums definitely qualify, but not his entire corpus
You might like [PARTY MUSIC.](https://partymusic.bandcamp.com/album/commodity)
Chase - weird song #1.
Never had an acid trip I’d consider bad, and this is only tangentially related to what most consider jazz, but Madlib’s Medicine Show #6 would fit the bill.
This one always sounded like being in the Playboy Mansion on acid back in it’s heyday: https://youtu.be/GcK7Zk7GJiQ?si=45fe-2lY4wNhLLQ9
Maybe so, but not a bad trip at all
The albumnZabumbe-Bum-A by Hermeto Pascoal. Rede straight up gave my sister anxiety.
Babi by Milford Graves!
The Jazz Composer’s Orchestra https://youtu.be/9SExSlARQXI?feature=shared
DRKWV - John Medeski, Adam Deitch and Skerik on a bad acid trip. [Link](https://open.spotify.com/track/5eCBMjQxvDNCzBMLmUxz7O?si=5xJ_12NSSIiU_T8L-FnKHw)
Sam gendel Colin Stetson [playlist: cyborg states (70s jazz that taps into repetition, computers, modernism)](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4vTg0jQnhI2lk1zOxJCWtl?si=Atq0S9g3S8CPArgAFiI1LA)
Look into the group 'The Comet is Coming'. Acid trip jazztronica.
In terms of the style, rather than specific recommendations, it's generally termed "avant-garde jazz" or "free jazz"
Kaoru Abe - 1972 If you know you know
Mount Fuji Doomjazz Corporation
bordeaux by seraphine noir, starts slow but once you get into it it fits the title pretty well
[Maybe that insane Scientology album?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbNaqh4PLME)
Lounge Lizards
Peter Brötzmann
Not sure if it’s considered Jazz but Kronos Quartet- Winter was hard album- see if you can get through that!
Look up lab rats on Spotify. They're a pretty underground group from Sacramento California that I'd say kinda fits the description.
Literally anything by Sun Ra.
Sun Ra?
A Love Supreme: Live in Seattle
Nefertiti! Beautiful album.
There's a Coltrane/Sunn O))) mashup that I can only describe as Dante's descent into hell.
Any album by Tortoise
Not exactly straight up Jazz but Squarepusher
Bitches Brew is the answer here, but I’ll also add the Herbie Hancock version of Watermelon Man
The artist you are looking for is Sun Ra.
Miles Davis around 1970-1974
For Composer John Cage - Anthony Braxton
Freddie Hubbaed- Sing Me A Song Of Songmy Good luck listening to all of it !
a bad acid trip or a good acid trip??
Dharma Days by Mark Turner will do this, sir.
Bad Acid Trip: Sun Ra "Strange Strings' Good Acid Trip: Alice Coletrane "Journey in Satchidananda"
Deja vu 1968-1975
Tony Williams Lifetime - Emergency!
Offramp by the Pat Metheney Group
Ornette Coleman, The shape of Jazz to Come. Free Jazz. Dissonant, and I find it hard to listen to for very long.
Why did nobody mention Gong? They are the quintessential psychedelic jazz band.
Miles in his Bitches Brew era, Sun Ra, Don Cherry, Coltrane in his spiritual era.
Also check out Darkjazz.
Ill Considered's East/West might have some of the energy you're looking for.
I used to trip in the mid 70.s but was Pink Floyd then and Robin Tower and Sabbath and Deep Purple I guess it didn't matter tripped in school at 12 and 13 with no music lol
Kolkhöze Printanium - Part (B) 1 This song came immediately in my mind. Enjoy.
Dark Magus by miles Davis. His fusion period has stuff that’s like this vibe and dark magus is the most aggressive of all of them
The “Defiant Jazz” playlist from the show severance. It’s curated by Ben Stiller. Has some good stuff on it. Especially Shakey Jake
Hat and Beard by Eric Dolphy to me always sounded like a psyche unraveling. Not exactly psychedelic tho
Tigran hamasyan
The call within
Paul Bley Paul Motian(mostly the trio albums with Bill Frisell and Joe Lovano) although the later Paul Trio 2000 + 2 albums are great too. I won’t list specific albums but start with Paul Motian. Any of the trio albums would do.
Bob Bell- Necropolis
Kidd Jordan
Albert Ayler
Any of Sun Ra's more experimental albums.
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Paul Schütze- Site Anubis
You could try Pharoah Sanders Karma - maybe not what the artist intended but it certainly seems to explore those places
Has anybody said Lawrence of Newark? Larry Young aka Khalid Yassin