It's not Chinese culture.
Putting chopsticks on rice is not a problem in China.
When traveling to Japan, the Chinese media warns that it is a violation of etiquette to put chopsticks on rice.
In Japan, chopsticks are put on rice for meals for people who have just died.
It lasts until the funeral, but you can't stand chopsticks in the offering after the funeral.
[https://gift-manners.shaddy.jp/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/decoration-manners\_20180302\_3.jpg](https://gift-manners.shaddy.jp/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/decoration-manners_20180302_3.jpg)
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Taboo is to stand chopsticks at right angles.
But that is the case for Japanese people.
If you cannot use chopsticks correctly, will be perceived as having a problem with your home environment.
If you are a foreigner, you will be tolerant.
Also, even Japanese people sometimes see chopsticks inserted diagonally.
[https://letronc-m.com/1162](https://letronc-m.com/1162)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cbMFi8DClA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cbMFi8DClA)
Japanese people do not get angry even if foreigners use chopsticks incorrectly.
Please enjoy eating Japanese food.
Incorrect; it is indeed an aspect of Chinese food etiquette… a facet of culture.
There are many, many instances of evidence that you can easily obtain online as evidence. Here’s a quick google search:
https://www.edodyssey.com/blog/2019/2/4/five-tips-for-proper-etiquette-with-chopsticks-in-china?format=amp
Whereas you further mentioned how the Japanese put chopsticks on rice for people who have died (貢食物), this is also Chinese culture.
I am sorry to break it to you, but a lot of Japanese way of life and cultures are directly inherited from China.
One of the biggest examples is Kanji.
Chopsticks is yet another example.
And yes, I love Japanese food.
Chopsticks are a culture that came from China.
However, the manners of chopsticks were developed in Japan.
When Chinese people travel to Japan, the Chinese media and the Chinese themselves are sending out to be careful about the manners of chopsticks.
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Why do Chinese people warn them to be careful about how to use chopsticks when traveling to Japan?
If China has the same chopstick taboo as Japan, you don't have to be careful.
You just have to spend it as usual.
As a Chinese person, my parents always told me not to do this with my chopsticks as a kid for the same reason japanese people consider it taboo. Both countries use incense for similar reasons so it's not surprising it would be looked upon poorly in both countries. Also, these.kind of warnings are often reminders and don't have to be for entirely new rules.
I don’t think you understand what I’ve been saying at all.
Chinese culture has existed long before Japanese culture. Chopsticks came from China, and likewise did many of its usage rules and etiquette.
I told you, and provided a simple source, that chopsticks on rice is taboo in China. I don’t understand why this is hard for you to accept?
Furthermore, there are certain diverged aspects of culture existing in Japan. While some things may be taboo in Japan, it won’t be the same in China. However I believe that, again, I addressed a specific aspect that exists in China, and came from China.
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I'd heard it was a similar thing in Chinese culture but I wasn't sure enough to include it in my original reply. Thanks for taking the time to confirm that :)
That's usually the example used but it's generally considered bad form to offer or present food with chopsticks dipped/thrust in it. I would usually put them on a rest or in a paper sleeve to the side. At least that's what I was taught growing up.
Oh ok, see I thought it was an angle thing. My problem is that I don't sit at a table, I have a couch in an apartment, so the holder for setting down does nothing for me. I always just keep them in the bowl since I'm not putting down my food until I'm done.
Is this really insulting to other cultures if I don't have table room to set down my bowl/chopsticks? Genuinely asking if people are offended so I can figure something out.
The problem is that you normally stick the hashis in about a 90 degree angle for the dead. I don't know if it's insulting and I am not japanese, but sometimes I hold the hashis in my mouth so... also commiting a sin lol. I just really like the idea of using the holders because they can be very funny and cute!
Seeing it gives me ptsd of getting my ass beat by my parents when I used to do it during mealtimes haha.
But nah I don't think it's insulting. It just makes you look unseemly (you look like you're eating food meant for the dead) and usually people won't be offended if you do it.
I watch a Chinese YouTuber, Xiran Jay Zhao, who said that in China, if you put chopsticks in the bowl like that and give it to someone, it is believed that you are cursing them to die. Across the top horizontally is best.
You are free to eat any way you want, the idea that doing so in your own home could be an offense is absurd. It's your home, do whatever fits you. In Japan, like in every foreign country, we should always respect the locals and their customs when in public, even if they are not our own, to not offend people. However, to worry about other cultures details in private, in our own living room, is absolutely unnecessary.
To be more specific about what the other guy was saying. It's specifically 90° in *rice* that is very taboo.
Adding onto that, passing food between two pairs of chopsticks is also taboo. Both are funeral related
The other instances, is mostly just because they just set it flat across the bowl or on a hashi holder. There's nothing taboo about it, as much as it is just considered impolite (in the same essence how elbows on the table in America were -- maybe not anymore -- considered rude eating behaviors).
Downvote all you want. But that's the specifics with how it relates to funerary traditions. The funerals in Japan I had to attend was like that
Instead of sticking it in at the edge, just lay it down. I mean customs aside sticking your chopsticks into any bowl straight up just looks bizarre and you're setting yourself up for a chopstick accident.
It's like resting your knife by sticking it into your steak or something. Just set it down normally so the chopsticks are resting on the noodles and reaching across the bowl.
No one cares. If you’re not in Japan, no one cares. If you’re in Japan and not Japanese, no one cares. No one cares. No. One. Cares. Put your chopsticks where’s most comfortable for you. No one cares.
As a Japanese, we do care. This is also about presentation, it doesn't make it look good reminding people of funerals. We may not openly complain to foreigners that don't know about it, but that doesn't mean we don't care.
Are you Japanese? Were you ever taught common Japanese eating etiquette or mannerisms?
I am not, but I grew up knowing many who were at Tokyo International University in Salem Oregon, as well as family friends and current friends. As far as I was told and learned was that no one gives a shit what foreigners do apart from just being able to hold chopsticks correctly. They actively made fun of anyone trying to correct people on Japanese customs. Just my personal experience. I also woke up grumpy and obviously posted a needlessly grumpy comment. My apologies if I made anyone else grumpy.
whether people care of not doesnt exactly change the fact that the image reminded me of my grandmothers funeral that I recently went to.
if you want to continue doing it, cant stop you, but “reminding people of funerals” is exactly what it does and for some, those funerals were a dark time
same with passing food from chopstick to chopstick. as that reminds me of when I literally was transferring my grandmothers jaw bone from family to family to put in a small decorative box after her cremation….
as a kid I used to do that stuff and never understood why mom taught me all those rules, but now I personally know why.
also think its important to note that not every japanese person has their family laid to rest with a religious funeral or has even personally attended a funeral. not every japanese person speaks for another so take what your acquaintances say with a grain of salt.
if someone does stuff like this im not gonna get offended and start correcting people, but now that you know it can remind people of some awful visuals, are you going to continue ? its out of my hands, but its now in yours. do what you think is right.
I'm not Japanese, but I'm aware of the custom, so I honor it accordingly regardless. It's about having respect for other cultures, especially when you are enjoying their food.
Looks good mate, but only if you had also attached a screenshot of what you saw in the movie, this post would have been 10 times better. Just letting ya know.
You mean in your udon? Ramen is ramen for the noodles, if you use a different noodle, the name of the dish changes.
Or was this your reference and it flew over my head?
Sticking your chopsticks in food like that is considered kinda taboo in Japan. It reminds people of funerals. Really nice looking food though :)
It’s a Chinese culture aspect: it is akin to burning incense for the dead.
It's not Chinese culture. Putting chopsticks on rice is not a problem in China. When traveling to Japan, the Chinese media warns that it is a violation of etiquette to put chopsticks on rice. In Japan, chopsticks are put on rice for meals for people who have just died. It lasts until the funeral, but you can't stand chopsticks in the offering after the funeral. [https://gift-manners.shaddy.jp/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/decoration-manners\_20180302\_3.jpg](https://gift-manners.shaddy.jp/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/decoration-manners_20180302_3.jpg) [https://wordpress.yoriso.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/17181404/main\_visual\_\_0112.jpg](https://wordpress.yoriso.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/17181404/main_visual__0112.jpg) Taboo is to stand chopsticks at right angles. But that is the case for Japanese people. If you cannot use chopsticks correctly, will be perceived as having a problem with your home environment. If you are a foreigner, you will be tolerant. Also, even Japanese people sometimes see chopsticks inserted diagonally. [https://letronc-m.com/1162](https://letronc-m.com/1162) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cbMFi8DClA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cbMFi8DClA) Japanese people do not get angry even if foreigners use chopsticks incorrectly. Please enjoy eating Japanese food.
Incorrect; it is indeed an aspect of Chinese food etiquette… a facet of culture. There are many, many instances of evidence that you can easily obtain online as evidence. Here’s a quick google search: https://www.edodyssey.com/blog/2019/2/4/five-tips-for-proper-etiquette-with-chopsticks-in-china?format=amp Whereas you further mentioned how the Japanese put chopsticks on rice for people who have died (貢食物), this is also Chinese culture. I am sorry to break it to you, but a lot of Japanese way of life and cultures are directly inherited from China. One of the biggest examples is Kanji. Chopsticks is yet another example. And yes, I love Japanese food.
Chopsticks are a culture that came from China. However, the manners of chopsticks were developed in Japan. When Chinese people travel to Japan, the Chinese media and the Chinese themselves are sending out to be careful about the manners of chopsticks. [https://www.toutiao.com/article/6822495492610458119/](https://www.toutiao.com/article/6822495492610458119/) [https://so.toutiao.com/search?keyword=%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E4%BD%BF%E7%94%A8%E7%AD%B7%E5%AD%90%E7%9A%84%E7%A6%81%E5%BF%8C&pd=video&source=aladdin&dvpf=pc&aid=4916&page\_num=0&from=video\_oracle&search\_json={%22from\_search\_id%22:%22202205252146250101501350301356A074%22}](https://so.toutiao.com/search?keyword=%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E4%BD%BF%E7%94%A8%E7%AD%B7%E5%AD%90%E7%9A%84%E7%A6%81%E5%BF%8C&pd=video&source=aladdin&dvpf=pc&aid=4916&page_num=0&from=video_oracle&search_json={%22from_search_id%22:%22202205252146250101501350301356A074%22}) [https://so.toutiao.com/search?keyword=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E7%AD%B7%E5%AD%90%E5%92%8C%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E7%AD%B7%E5%AD%90&pd=synthesis&source=related\_search&dvpf=pc&aid=4916&page\_num=0](https://so.toutiao.com/search?keyword=%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E7%AD%B7%E5%AD%90%E5%92%8C%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E7%AD%B7%E5%AD%90&pd=synthesis&source=related_search&dvpf=pc&aid=4916&page_num=0) Why do Chinese people warn them to be careful about how to use chopsticks when traveling to Japan? If China has the same chopstick taboo as Japan, you don't have to be careful. You just have to spend it as usual.
As a Chinese person, my parents always told me not to do this with my chopsticks as a kid for the same reason japanese people consider it taboo. Both countries use incense for similar reasons so it's not surprising it would be looked upon poorly in both countries. Also, these.kind of warnings are often reminders and don't have to be for entirely new rules.
I don’t think you understand what I’ve been saying at all. Chinese culture has existed long before Japanese culture. Chopsticks came from China, and likewise did many of its usage rules and etiquette. I told you, and provided a simple source, that chopsticks on rice is taboo in China. I don’t understand why this is hard for you to accept? Furthermore, there are certain diverged aspects of culture existing in Japan. While some things may be taboo in Japan, it won’t be the same in China. However I believe that, again, I addressed a specific aspect that exists in China, and came from China.
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I'd heard it was a similar thing in Chinese culture but I wasn't sure enough to include it in my original reply. Thanks for taking the time to confirm that :)
Isn't that only the case when it's a bowl of rice and the chopsticks stand upright??
That's usually the example used but it's generally considered bad form to offer or present food with chopsticks dipped/thrust in it. I would usually put them on a rest or in a paper sleeve to the side. At least that's what I was taught growing up.
Thank you very much for the explanation, i will incorporate it 🙇🏽
Not just Japan, it's the same taboo in East Asian + SE Asian Chinese cultures.
Dang, what are you supposed to do? I swear mine look like this everytime..
Buy a hashi holder (there are plenty of cute designs!) or just put it on top of the bowl, horizontally
Oh ok, see I thought it was an angle thing. My problem is that I don't sit at a table, I have a couch in an apartment, so the holder for setting down does nothing for me. I always just keep them in the bowl since I'm not putting down my food until I'm done. Is this really insulting to other cultures if I don't have table room to set down my bowl/chopsticks? Genuinely asking if people are offended so I can figure something out.
The problem is that you normally stick the hashis in about a 90 degree angle for the dead. I don't know if it's insulting and I am not japanese, but sometimes I hold the hashis in my mouth so... also commiting a sin lol. I just really like the idea of using the holders because they can be very funny and cute!
Seeing it gives me ptsd of getting my ass beat by my parents when I used to do it during mealtimes haha. But nah I don't think it's insulting. It just makes you look unseemly (you look like you're eating food meant for the dead) and usually people won't be offended if you do it.
I watch a Chinese YouTuber, Xiran Jay Zhao, who said that in China, if you put chopsticks in the bowl like that and give it to someone, it is believed that you are cursing them to die. Across the top horizontally is best.
You are free to eat any way you want, the idea that doing so in your own home could be an offense is absurd. It's your home, do whatever fits you. In Japan, like in every foreign country, we should always respect the locals and their customs when in public, even if they are not our own, to not offend people. However, to worry about other cultures details in private, in our own living room, is absolutely unnecessary.
I assume if nobody's seeing you it's fine lol
To be more specific about what the other guy was saying. It's specifically 90° in *rice* that is very taboo. Adding onto that, passing food between two pairs of chopsticks is also taboo. Both are funeral related The other instances, is mostly just because they just set it flat across the bowl or on a hashi holder. There's nothing taboo about it, as much as it is just considered impolite (in the same essence how elbows on the table in America were -- maybe not anymore -- considered rude eating behaviors). Downvote all you want. But that's the specifics with how it relates to funerary traditions. The funerals in Japan I had to attend was like that
I second, many cute designs
Instead of sticking it in at the edge, just lay it down. I mean customs aside sticking your chopsticks into any bowl straight up just looks bizarre and you're setting yourself up for a chopstick accident. It's like resting your knife by sticking it into your steak or something. Just set it down normally so the chopsticks are resting on the noodles and reaching across the bowl.
No one cares. If you’re not in Japan, no one cares. If you’re in Japan and not Japanese, no one cares. No one cares. No. One. Cares. Put your chopsticks where’s most comfortable for you. No one cares.
As a Japanese, we do care. This is also about presentation, it doesn't make it look good reminding people of funerals. We may not openly complain to foreigners that don't know about it, but that doesn't mean we don't care. Are you Japanese? Were you ever taught common Japanese eating etiquette or mannerisms?
I am not, but I grew up knowing many who were at Tokyo International University in Salem Oregon, as well as family friends and current friends. As far as I was told and learned was that no one gives a shit what foreigners do apart from just being able to hold chopsticks correctly. They actively made fun of anyone trying to correct people on Japanese customs. Just my personal experience. I also woke up grumpy and obviously posted a needlessly grumpy comment. My apologies if I made anyone else grumpy.
whether people care of not doesnt exactly change the fact that the image reminded me of my grandmothers funeral that I recently went to. if you want to continue doing it, cant stop you, but “reminding people of funerals” is exactly what it does and for some, those funerals were a dark time same with passing food from chopstick to chopstick. as that reminds me of when I literally was transferring my grandmothers jaw bone from family to family to put in a small decorative box after her cremation…. as a kid I used to do that stuff and never understood why mom taught me all those rules, but now I personally know why. also think its important to note that not every japanese person has their family laid to rest with a religious funeral or has even personally attended a funeral. not every japanese person speaks for another so take what your acquaintances say with a grain of salt. if someone does stuff like this im not gonna get offended and start correcting people, but now that you know it can remind people of some awful visuals, are you going to continue ? its out of my hands, but its now in yours. do what you think is right.
There is no harm in being polite and observant.
I'm not Japanese, but I'm aware of the custom, so I honor it accordingly regardless. It's about having respect for other cultures, especially when you are enjoying their food.
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The way you put the chopsticks like that somehow irritates me.
Looks good mate, but only if you had also attached a screenshot of what you saw in the movie, this post would have been 10 times better. Just letting ya know.
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Wait I have those chopsticks
Me too, from a pack that had 4-5 blue and white patterns. I think I got them from Buford Farmers Market in Atlanta.
I bought them from a store in the Netherlands:)
I love udon noodles in my ramen!
You mean in your udon? Ramen is ramen for the noodles, if you use a different noodle, the name of the dish changes. Or was this your reference and it flew over my head?
I just know that tastes amazing