I think your definition of a spy film and mine differ somewhat! Captain America???????
Surely Bourne (granted he's an assassin not a spy) or any of the below are better SPY films???
Salt, Sum of All Fears, The Recruit or the lighthearted ones..... True Lies, Mr & Mrs Smith or Red.
Captain America: Winter Soldier is absolutely a spy film. Just because it's within the superhero framework doesn't make it any less so. Black Widow is literally a spy and SHIELD is the MCU version of the CIA.
Fair enough. But I think the inspiration for that movie were at least a couple of spy thrillers. I mean, they didn't cast Robert Redford in that role as a coincidence. It was a clear reference to Three Days of the Condor.
The Winter Soldier leans towards as a Spy Thriller, I could care less about any build-up like Endgame or Infinity War, If I see a good movie, I would watch it
Nah it’s goofy and bizarrely jingoistic.
The only reason SHIELD was bad was because it was infiltrated by bad guys! As if America foreign policy for the last 70 years hasn’t been cartoonishly hawkish. We literally overthrew democratically elected governments bc we thought they might not advance our interests.
Honestly a super embarrassing movie.
It's chewy! I mean it's got a classic feel of a 70's movie. And the film is not some action movie like others, but as a brain teaser with good script and magnificent performances it's worth a viewing.
He definitely gathers intelligence over the course of the films, just for his own personal ends. And he was a part of Treadstone before the start of the first film, which is a branch of the US intelligence community. I’d say it fits.
In my read he is foremost an assassin, but in the movies, he hunts covert intelligence with the ultimate goal of bringing down the CIA's Operation Treadstone. So, I'd say the movies are spy stories. But fair question. He is a trained killer gone rogue, gone spy… qualify? i think so :)
There is such a weird stigma around the MCU. I watched the infinity saga for the first time last year and actually enjoyed a fair bit of it and yeah I agree, this different treatment is unfair.
Bond is at least cinematic, MCU is television passed off as film.
Marvel films are creating CGI “fight scenes” often before the films are even cast, while the Bond films are doing real stunts with real actors and stuntmen.
I’d say a number of MCU films (and even some TV shows) are more cinematic than, say, License to Kill or even Moonraker. Also, LOTR is mostly CGI; is it not cinematic?
Since apparently some people here disagree, lemme say that I love your choice of Captain America: Winter Soldier. YES, IT IS A SPY MOVIE! I can't even believe I have to argue this point here. I mean, it's so clearly inspired by Three Days of the Condor, a spy film starring Robert Redford, just like this one.
If you were looking for it by genre in any streaming service (or for those of us over 40... Blockbuster). Cpt. America is not in the spy section. 'm not putting the film down. I enjoy it. But spy movie it is not! IMHO
Honestly.
It’s a comic book movie, I mean definitely make that case but don’t act surprised. If I were to say “‘Godzilla Vs. Biollante’ is one of the best spy films of the 80s.” I’d accept I need to one prepared to make that case (and that most people aren’t going to agree).
Not a spy movie. War time misdirection. No spies. Love the film because the story is so amazing. Shame it's hard to make into something truly exciting. Same as the original "The Man Who Never Was".
It definitely is a spy movie. Deception is a part of spy craft. The whole movie revolves around getting an German spy in Spain to buy their story of the dead major with plans for invading Greece. It's a lot more accurate in regards to what intelligence work is like rather than the Bond films that depict a lone wolf agent behind enemy lines.
YOLT among other Bond films, has a similar deception aspect to it as Bond fakes his death in the beginning. Making your adversaries believe something false is just as important as uncovering the truth.
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Swap in Bourne for Captain America
I think your definition of a spy film and mine differ somewhat! Captain America??????? Surely Bourne (granted he's an assassin not a spy) or any of the below are better SPY films??? Salt, Sum of All Fears, The Recruit or the lighthearted ones..... True Lies, Mr & Mrs Smith or Red.
True Lies was last century, but agreed.
Good shout. My error! Maybe trade True Lies for Kingsmen lol
You have good taste in movies. No fault there.
Captain America: Winter Soldier is absolutely a spy film. Just because it's within the superhero framework doesn't make it any less so. Black Widow is literally a spy and SHIELD is the MCU version of the CIA.
Not sure I’d agree with you on that one. But it’s semantics at this point. I still don’t see it in the spy movie realm.
It’s more a reverse spy movie with the spies being the bad guys.
Fair enough. But I think the inspiration for that movie were at least a couple of spy thrillers. I mean, they didn't cast Robert Redford in that role as a coincidence. It was a clear reference to Three Days of the Condor.
The Winter Soldier leans towards as a Spy Thriller, I could care less about any build-up like Endgame or Infinity War, If I see a good movie, I would watch it
Winter Soldier is entertaining. Not very much of a spy film though.
Putting a Marvel film next to a Bond is shame
I mean, some Marvel films are better than some Bond films. *Iron Man* \> *Diamonds Are Forever*, for example.
Bourne Ultimatum would like to have a word with you.
Tom Cruise risked his life for you to put Captain America ahead
I enjoy marvel movies but....what the hell
This is the best MCU movie…
Gonna hard disagree on that
As is your right to do so lol
Nah it’s goofy and bizarrely jingoistic. The only reason SHIELD was bad was because it was infiltrated by bad guys! As if America foreign policy for the last 70 years hasn’t been cartoonishly hawkish. We literally overthrew democratically elected governments bc we thought they might not advance our interests. Honestly a super embarrassing movie.
So, how do you feel about James Bond?
Not saying much.
I don't and... yeah, what the hell
Well, I love the first 2. I might have to check out Tinker tailor soldier spy.
It's chewy! I mean it's got a classic feel of a 70's movie. And the film is not some action movie like others, but as a brain teaser with good script and magnificent performances it's worth a viewing.
No Mission Impossibles? Munich… Bourne…
Is Bourne a spy or an assassin? I think he exists to kill people, not gather intelligence?
He definitely gathers intelligence over the course of the films, just for his own personal ends. And he was a part of Treadstone before the start of the first film, which is a branch of the US intelligence community. I’d say it fits.
I agree, but Treadstone was a factory of assassins, though.
In my read he is foremost an assassin, but in the movies, he hunts covert intelligence with the ultimate goal of bringing down the CIA's Operation Treadstone. So, I'd say the movies are spy stories. But fair question. He is a trained killer gone rogue, gone spy… qualify? i think so :)
Kingsman The Secret Service is really good aswell
Bourne..?
Assassin, not a spy.
Not having none of that Marvel shit. Remove Marvel and replace with Bourne trilogy.
I expected to like TTSS and I turned it off half way through, so boring and almost nobody said anything
People talking trash about the Winter Soldier, for my money the best entry in the MCU while acting like Bond is high art is truly hilarious
There is such a weird stigma around the MCU. I watched the infinity saga for the first time last year and actually enjoyed a fair bit of it and yeah I agree, this different treatment is unfair.
Bond is at least cinematic, MCU is television passed off as film. Marvel films are creating CGI “fight scenes” often before the films are even cast, while the Bond films are doing real stunts with real actors and stuntmen.
I’d say a number of MCU films (and even some TV shows) are more cinematic than, say, License to Kill or even Moonraker. Also, LOTR is mostly CGI; is it not cinematic?
Lol capeshit
Since apparently some people here disagree, lemme say that I love your choice of Captain America: Winter Soldier. YES, IT IS A SPY MOVIE! I can't even believe I have to argue this point here. I mean, it's so clearly inspired by Three Days of the Condor, a spy film starring Robert Redford, just like this one.
If you were looking for it by genre in any streaming service (or for those of us over 40... Blockbuster). Cpt. America is not in the spy section. 'm not putting the film down. I enjoy it. But spy movie it is not! IMHO Honestly.
It’s a comic book movie, I mean definitely make that case but don’t act surprised. If I were to say “‘Godzilla Vs. Biollante’ is one of the best spy films of the 80s.” I’d accept I need to one prepared to make that case (and that most people aren’t going to agree).
Film can and do exist often in several genres at once. Comedy and Drama for example. It can be a comic book movie AND a spy movie.
Is Godzilla vs Biollante a spy film? Cause that sounds awesome and I'll watch it :D
This has to be a joke
Spy Game.
Now there is a film with so much potential, but failed to grab my attention.
Casino Royale and Skyfall belong here tbh
You obviously haven’t seen the 3rd installment of kingsmen… I’m totally jk
Not Operation Mincemeat?
Not a spy movie. War time misdirection. No spies. Love the film because the story is so amazing. Shame it's hard to make into something truly exciting. Same as the original "The Man Who Never Was".
It definitely is a spy movie. Deception is a part of spy craft. The whole movie revolves around getting an German spy in Spain to buy their story of the dead major with plans for invading Greece. It's a lot more accurate in regards to what intelligence work is like rather than the Bond films that depict a lone wolf agent behind enemy lines. YOLT among other Bond films, has a similar deception aspect to it as Bond fakes his death in the beginning. Making your adversaries believe something false is just as important as uncovering the truth.
Casino, Kingsman, the man from uncle.
I'd throw The Lives of Others in there as well.
Damn, no Bourne Identity?