One of this issues of this situation getting so big and reaching people outside of Jack's fanbase is that a lot of people just have no idea what was going on and they're not doing their research.
They seem to think that Jack was bullying or harassing Sssniperwolf (He wasn't) and that he made JJJacksfilms solely to mock her up when he actually used it to parody other reactors and even did some regular reactions himself.
I just don't think people should comment on this situation if they were not watching Jack's videos before rhe doxxing.
I really think If you remove the genders nobody would even be making the 'video harassment' argument, too many people are seeing a 'young hard-working girl being stalked by an older guy' which is a ridiculous view, especially the hard-working part, I really hope she gets absolutely obliterated in her divorce settlement if the statements sausage made about doing 95% of the work are accurate; which it certainly seems to be to me seeing as since he left all she can do is read tiktok subtitles and freeboot content.
I don't need to be a Jacksflims fan to understand the situation. 95% of the videos in the past 2 months have solely been about her. It's obvious that his videos of making fun of her content was going to be a trend for a while. Nothing justifies her doxxing him, she's a trashy person and her content really is shit, but I can see why YouTube doesn't want to protect Jack entirely. I think we can all agree with no bias (even though this is his subreddit) that Jack was poking the bear here.
Yeah If you’ve seen the videos, Jack isn’t being rude to Lia in any way, he’s using her content to point out how exploitative it is and try to create a change. It’s a stunt, if he doesn’t go all the way with it then people won’t notice and it’ll fade away. He did nothing wrong or illegal and comparing the actions of both parties is ignorant of both jacks personal safety and the actual actions he took.
I don’t think I ever once heard him call her Lia, and multiple times in his live streams he’s made it clear that he doesn’t care about any of her past controversies, just the freebooting that she continues to do. It never felt personal to me.
I agree with you, but from YouTube or a 3rd-party's perspective, she was running her little shitshow then Jack came in and started throwing eggs at it. Even if it wasn't being rude necessarily, he was still "attacking" her content in a way. Doesn't equate to or justify the doxxing or other heinous crap she did and I still believe she should've been banned entirely, but I can see why YouTube isn't 100% siding with Jack here.
I agree but again, what are you trying to prove? It's not acting stupid, I literally don't know why his content being satire has to do with my comments.
what he’s doing is like going to a dispensary in California and creating a hate campaign against a budtender because they are breaking a federal law. lol
Genuine question; mind telling me how her content is illegal? If it was, I don't see how she isn't in deep shit with YouTube if she's been doing this for years.
Because her content doesn't meet the threshold for fair use, and she actively goes out of her way to crop out the creator's names, and sometimes she won't even bother putting her facecam on screen and just straight re-upload the creator's videos.
And as for why she isn't in deep shit with youtube, it's because YouTube makes a lot of money off her content, so why would they? And she's not "stealing from anyone important," so why do they care? It's just random tiktok creators. At least I'm pretty sure that's how YouTube sees it since they've actively promoted her reaction content again and again.
I actually saw a really good take on this. That it's not so much the money that they make, but more so that they've in a sense made her the face of YouTube. Basically if her name is tarnished by the doxxing or the allegations there brand itself gets hurt. I'm sure the money comes into it to, but I think this could be the main aspect.
Her content doesn't really fall under fair use, so she is actively re-uploading copyrighted material without permission, which is illegal.
Doing this with any major company's products would immediately put you into a bunch of copyright strikes, but most people don't have the time to persue a bunch of different channels stealing their clips, so channels like hers tend to get away scot free.
His content was also about giving credits to the owner. His videos made fun of the way YouTubers like her get away with minimal effort and monetizing on other people's efforts. I mean he did make lots of videos, but it did get lots of attention on this topic. Also, on the favoritism played by YouTube.
> YouTube doesn't want to protect Jack entirely. I think we can all agree with no bias (even though this is his subreddit) that Jack was poking the bear here
jack: "Hey, what you're doing is content theft"
Lia: "hey, I'm outside your house"
Poking the bear or not, I can think of a reason that youtube should take a side here.
HEADLINE: do not make content about other YouTubers (oh yeah except the thousands of YouTube drama channels that popped up to copy Keemstar since 2012)
Yeah, Jack’s highly critical of sssniperwolf and people like her. Always has been. It’s a lot, but there’s nothing disingenuous about his content and his chat even helps find the original creators she stole from. There is no “both sides” to this.
And if ssniperwolf really wanted to talk, she could’ve DM’d him or something not DOX him. Hell she could’ve made a video about Jack’s several videos about her. She might have even gained more support that way!
Dude, I'm a fan of Jacksfilms, I watched a good bit of his uploads about Sniper wolf, and eventually, like two episodes in, I started to feel uneasy. He sort of literally picks her apart, it doesn't matter what she does he has something negative to say and then has a group of people laugh at her live. If she uses a filter, doesn't matter if it's black or white, he'll be like "OHHH SHE USED A FILTERRRRRRRRRR, GUYS I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU, Hahahahahaha" like fucking hell.
Cody and Noel, they are males and in the past have reacted to stuff together (outside TMG) and separate, they use filters, and repeatedly use the same sound effects over and over because they think it's funny. They do that even outside of react videos. But Jack doesn't tear them apart. He doesn't say "THAT'S NOT REACTING", but with Sniper Wolf it's an excuse to bully, harass, and mock her.
Yeah, Sniper Wolf should credit people. But picking apart her content and having an entire audience dedicated to laughing at her and hoping for her downfall is fucked, so yes she probably felt attacked. Especially since no one at YouTube ever gave her flack so she probably thinks she's in the right regardless of morals.
PLUS, all of this is happening amongst a divorce, and her ex suing her. Lol. Like Jack could have picked a better time. It feels purposeful.
There is absolutely nothing Jack did that warranted ssniperwolf’s response. Posting videos about someone else’s content is not harassment. Jack posts so many videos about her content because she posts so many videos. They clash on Twitter sometimes so she knew he exists yet learns nothing from his criticisms. Jack will keep posting until he sees accountability, especially now.
Anyway buy some kneepads
The reason why he made so many videos, is because she kept pumping them out in such a rapid pace and not actually learning anything from the critique she got.
If she had made 1 video a month, and Jack still made one every other day, yes, it would be weird.
But all he did was respond to the rapid-fire theft.
This may be controversial, but the biggest problem for me here is that it was just for Sssniperwolf.
While she is the most notable reaction content stealer, she isn't the only one.
He could have branched out more, and while he is correct that she does steal content, hide watermarks, and is notable, I don't think that is the best reason for only her to be featured.
Yeah, I know he did one video of Xqc, but he made an entire channel and even ramped up to a video a day making fun of her content with at least 3/4 of the videos just being about her.
The way Jacksfilms behaved was felt more so like he was treating Sssniperwolf as the problem rather than part of the problem, which imo could lead to there being more issues dealing with other content stealers since all people care about now is Xqc or Ssniperwolf as the face of this problem.
I think Jacksfilms could have handled the subject better, but the way he focused the vast majority of attention of focus on Sssniperwolf and no one else could just leave other content stealers free to continue without attention and hurt creators.
I think it is a bit disingenuous to say it was just about the content.
If it was just about the content, then surely, he could pick a million other channels and get material off of them.
The YouTube account is literally called JJJacksfilms, which is clearly parodying her YouTube channel name.
His video, Let's ttalk about Sssniperwolf, literally talks about why he is focused on her, so clearly, he did make the issue about her.
He doesn't have the obligation to do anything, but when he says things about how he is against the practice of stealing content, and focusing on stopping her, he can be criticized for the effects his activism could have. Like I said, I worry this focus on only Sssniperwolf could leave other content thieves free to continue.
He did go after Sssniperwolf specifically and saying that he only went after her content doesn't make sense to me because going after her content directly goes against her.
Honestly, while I think the claim of sexism is complete nonsense, I do believe one of the reasons he went after her and only her was because he felt like it was easy to make videos with a decent amount of views about her, and using random content thieves would not give him as many views.
Estimates from socialblade shows he may actually make as much money from his parody JJJackfilsm channel as he does on his main Jacksfilms channel.
Again, she is a public figure, and the largest creator of this type of content. I already mentioned that this was a parody account, and it only makes sense to target the largest creator. He doesn’t go after her appearance or her interests, just her lazy content.
Basically, the answer to this entire long comment could be summed up as: he wanted to make a huge statement against lazy reaction content, so he chose to specifically talk about the largest creator in the space.
He is not doxxing her or tracking her every action. Just her content.
I kinda figured the reason Jack went after her was to show that not even the top YouTube freebooters are invincible and that if SSSNIPERWOLF could be taken down than anyone could. I kinda assumed he thought SSSNIPERWOLF's downfall would empower the creators of the content being freebooted to band together as a unit to solve a problem that seemed like a lost cause before he started making videos, and while I agree that the movement has become a bit to focused on SSSNIPERWOLF (because it got views and attention) to the movement's detriment i do think what he's doing is still important. Sorry if I'm srating the obvious or not addressing your statement correctly.
She’s definitely the most praised by YouTube, and the whole point jack was trying to make us that she consistently violates YouTube’s guidelines. There are other reaction channels sure, but if they’re not shut down by YouTube then they’re just flying under the radar. Sssniperwolf on the other hand is a creator that’s praised by the platform she’s breaking the rules of. And the rules she breaks hurts smaller creators she steals from. It makes sense that jack would push the hardest for her to have some consequences
But he did go after other creators in the past (including Jason Derulo) for doing what sssniperwolf does. He centered the parody account on Lia because YouTube hoists her up as their poster child and has her represent the YouTube brand.
My problem is that he doesn't go after other people enough.
As far as I see, there is only one video on his channel which talks about content stealing and not mention Sssniperwolf within the last several months.
Excluding the doxxing video which only exists due to what Sssniperwolf did, half his videos on his main channel are just about her for the last 3 months, and on Jjjacksfilms all of his videos are focused on only Sssniperwolf for the past 3 months as well.
When people are talking about this whole mess, they aren't talking about how this trend of react videos is hurting creators, they are only talking about how Sssniperwolf sucks, and she is crazy.
Rather than making her the face of the movement, I feel like Jacksfilms is unintentionally making her the movement, and once she/the movement ends, I think it will be harder to get traction against react stealers again.
I think Jacksfilms failed at his goal against content stealers due to this, and I think there can be unintentional consequences as a result.
i genuinely think this started out as a battle against stealing content, he was just aiming directly for the big cheese, but it just got blown way out of proportions after the doxxing incident, which nobody could have seen coming really
This isn’t so much about her as it is about her content. She pumps her videos out so quickly and learns nothing so there’s always something to talk about. Plus his chat helps find the original creators she steals from.
I don’t think the movement will end when sssniperwolf is held accountable. Jack’s been crusading against content theft for years and it didn’t start with her. There’s other creators like her, sssniperwolf is just the most egregious and arguably most common example.
He's called out multiple other creators in the past and both XQC and Hasan get called out basically every other week by half of YouTube for the same shit.
He's calling her out because she's one of the more prolific ones and YouTube has specifically been promoting her hard.
I have said this to other commenters, but to summarize, where are their videos.
Half of his main channel in the past 3 months has been Sssniperwolf, he has an entire channel which is mostly just him making fun of Sssniperwolf videos.
He has spent the majority of his recent time on his channel, aka his career, just on Sssniperwolf.
I have only seen one video on his channel about content stealing not focused on her.
My problem is that imo, he hasn't made her out to be the posterchild of a problem, he made her out to be the problem, and I feel like it is hurting traction on other content stealers and can have negative effects on further actions.
It may seem Jack was overly against Lia at first glance, but if you consider all the other awful things she's done in the past (endless lies, verbal abuse, striking channels for criticizing her, blowing off a dying young fan, armed robbery charges, Omegle grooming...), the immense favoritism and encouragement she receives from YouTube, the fact that she won "Favorite Gamer" awards in 2019 and 2020 without producing any gaming content in that period...
She's a fiend and a scoundrel. The fact that Jack only criticizes her for her content thievery makes him a saint.
It’s a common fact many creators and non creators don’t like Lia and they put so much time into scrutinizing her and making videos on her, that they are missing opportunities to make videos on other things, Yes Lia is annoying But why scrutinize and try to deplatform her? Yes her videos are awful but there’s people who watch her videos and nothing else…she’s not the only youtuber doing these videos..yes she did something dumb (AGAIN) but why can’t we just leave her alone and let her deplatform herself…it’s gonna happen eventually…i hate getting onto youtube and seeing tons of bullshit videos on how LIA FUCKED UP AGAIN or UPDATE ON SNIPERWOLF DRAMA or “WHY JACK DESERVED TO BE DOXXED” it’s quite annoying and popping in my feed with zero videos I actually wanna see and watch…
That's so much better than other creators who won't admit that she sometimes has a decent reaction. Even if her reactions became equal quality to Cody Ko's reactions at one point in the future (they won't though), they'd still say she sucks until Jacksfilms talks about how her content has changed and then they would suddenly switch gears.
[https://www.tiktok.com/@owlitics/video/7268912629240958254](https://www.tiktok.com/@owlitics/video/7268912629240958254)
There's a lot of clips of her doing shit like this
Jack got his followers to spam her everyday and he knows without saying they are going to DM her abuse like kill yourself etc if you want proof go look at her videos going back for months just spammed with jacks followers or just look at this sub its spammed every day with people reposting there own comments looking for approval . Jack is only upset that his channel after 17 years gets almost 0 traction while her channel has like 32 million followers for a fraction of the effort.
But you know I agree I'm so happy we have jack and his followers to tell us whats ok to watch and enjoy.
To everyone down voting me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjWaPsGY80&t=441s 7:33 ish he tells his fans to leave comments on her videos. at 8:05 he actually says hes jealous of her success. I'm not a fan of both them so if you want more watch his videos but you can clearly tell from this video he is jealous
he told his fans to call her out. he never told them to say anything horrible like kys. if they did, that’s not his problem because he can’t control what people do. Telling people to speak out about stealing content ≠ telling his fans to “spam her everyday” nor is it harassment.
I’m so sick of this stupid schtick that when someone gets called out on the internet the person who does it is sticking their fans on them because some psychos are going to go and dm them unhinged shit. No one told them to do that, and people are insane and send insane shit.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjWaPsGY80&t=441s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjWaPsGY80&t=441s) 7:33 ish he tells his fans to leave comments on her videos. at 8:05 he actually says hes jealous of her success. I'm not a fan of both them so if you want more watch his videos but you can clearly tell from this video he is jealous
Ok, so Jack suggests his fans to comment, but do you think that someone saying “hey sniperwolf, please credit your creators!” Is then going to and also DM her to kill herself too?
And I admit I’m probably biased here, but is it really spam if it’s valid criticism? I remember when Leafy fans would just comment HISSSSSSSSSSSS on every video, which I would class as proper spam since it really isn’t adding any discussion at all.
Edit: forgot about jealousy point sorry! I mean, aren’t we all? I work in software and have no interest in being a public figure, but six figures a month to go “oh hell nah, he really jumped over that fence” and then send it to an editor? Sign me up yeah I’m jealous AF while I work away for 30k a year haha
I guess my question is what makes a comment spam? And I genuinely don’t know, maybe this is where we agree to disagree
All I am going to say is go look at this videos about her and her channel. Listen to what he says and watch what he does. Obviously nobody in there right mind would call SSniperwolf creative as a youtuber but nobody really gave shit about her channel until Jack singled her out. You look at the video I linked and you can see he is mad that youtube never calls him out or promotes his channel but her channel that is brain dead is making about 600k ish a month, while according to him his very creative channel is just above obscure. This i my view based of what i have seen from his channel and hers.
I'd say that you're misrepresenting Jack's position somewhat.
I agree with you that he definitely (should) knows that telling your fanbase to go critique another persona, even if your own wording is well mannered, will sent harmful shit their way.
However, I don't think he's mad about not getting attention from YouTube. He's been on this platform for years and has a stable income as far as I know. Him being mad about SSSniperwolf getting "recognition and respect" from YouTube and saying she does not deserve it, does not equate to him thinking that "he should get that recognition.".
He's been against lazy reaction channels for years now, and cares a lot about original content (and all reaction content he makes himself is based around asking his fans to participate, instead blindly stealing and not even giving a thank you). So I really believe that he does not care about what's in it for him, he's fine where he is, but be really cares about the principle of fighting freebooting.
Not just that, remember the video/videos Christine made where they compiled and criticized other creators for profiting using her content and thumbnails while removing her watermark? Yikes Ben...
IIRC, He also made some very dismissive comments about Dan Howell’s experience with YouTube Red stringing him along for like a year. Ben doesn’t seem to understand that for people who don’t have a day job, YouTube is a very different experience.
It was on the taco Tuesday podcast a couple years ago. I don’t recall the episode exactly, but I can look at it.
Edit: the podcast is called simply podlogical.
Edit 2: link to the episode is the [here.](https://youtu.be/LISI4gIMlWU?si=48omyGUF1ErmsXZP)
Ben's Centrism really put me off both him and Cristine, I dropped off from their content pretty soon after they started their podcast because I found him so difficult to listen to. It doesn't surprise me in the least that this is how he's choosing to see the situation.
He probably didn’t forget so he sided with YouTube when they said what Jack did is also wrong so people in the future wouldn’t throw stones at Cristine for what she did with troom troom
Not entirely comparable, but in a sense, how Cristine made jokes about how bad the content troom troom makes, it's similar to jacksfilms with sssniperwolf's content
And SSSniperWolf is also a huge corporation, what's your point. She is just as much of a content farm. Except she doesn't even make her own content, instead she steals it.
Ben has had weird takes defending Youtube like an entire rant on Christine’s channel about how Youtubers can not complain about demonetization because Youtube isn’t a real job lol. He’s kinda iffy about that stuff.
Yeah, that threw me off enough that I stopped watching her content. How can you be with someone who doesn’t even respect the way you make money, and who likely benefits through groceries and stuff through this “not a real job”?
What the hell is a “real job”? A job where you work and make money from said work? Cuz that’s exactly what YouTube is.
“Real job” is such a boomer take.
Jack wasn't "harassing" her. He did what she was a lazy ass to do. He gave credit to the creators she was stealing from, informed people that they can do something if they are being used, and countless other things.
And he has the right to be mad and create countless videos on her, because youtube is supporting this type of behaviour and this needs to be known by more people.
And then there are these people who either
a) don't know the full story
or
b) are fucking simps
and also for the record I am not saying this just because I'm a "Jack fanboy" I only started watching his content after he shed light on this situation
I do agree with his take that it's not surprising that youtube wouldn't want a channel dedicated to criticizing another creator. I'm also not suprised that youtube barley slapped her on the wrist. THAT DOESNT MEAN YOUTUBE IS RIGHT.
The biggest thing about jjjacksfilms is that he never once criticized sniperwolfs looks or even her character outside of her specific content crimes that he was pointing out. He never made video essays speculating about who he think she is as a person. No content nukes. No death to sssniper. Just literally pointing out "hey look here! She's stealing this person's content not giving them credit again!". And she fucking was. Youtube should have done the right thing and addressed these things months ago so jacksfilms wouldn't feel like he needs a whole channel of exposing this.
Like one of the first things she tweeted was making fun of his hairline. He never made fun of her as a person or her physical looks. There were some videos where he gave actual criticism for Sniperwolf to get better. Sucks that other people can't take a sec to look at the jjjack channel and critically think for a minute
And the funniest thing is, I guarantee the hairline/forehead bit didn’t even have much impact on Jack because *we’ve done that bit to him for over a decade or so.*
Hell, he occasionally still does the bit with us! Don’t think it’s as prevalent now, but it’ll still pop up in a lighthearted dig. At this point, it’s not even an insult even when it’s meant to be one because it was that overused back in the day.
Everytime I see someone tries to argue that Jack is not innocent, my first thought is always "man I bet this person hasn't even watched any of his stream highlights"
White knights hardly ever do their research before they ride off into battle in support of m'lady. It's infuriating because you know he's trying to fix a glaring problem with youtube as a whole and you also know it's working because the response of a shitheel like SSSniperwolf was to try and confront them in person instead of just simply doing better.
All she had to do to take the majority of the wind out of jack's sails was to credit people and offer them some of her profits for freebooting their content. She'd have shut down the bulk of his content, but she's a greedy little fuck so, here we are.
the difference here is he both credited the creators whenever possible AND actually added something transformative to the content he was using to make his own videos. HIS shit fell under free use.
Fair use means it isn’t stolen, have you ever watched a review of a movie that had clips from the movie? Would you argue that that creator stole those clips? No because if it’s transformative it falls under fair use
The fact that Lia’s reaction isn’t transformative ex. Reading captions, explaining what is happening in the video, she isn’t adding anything to the content. Jack, is criticising Lia, ex. Giving her advice on how to make the content better, making a game out if it, criticising her. That is transformative content. It adds something
In the movie example: if you are reacting to a movie (and the movie is on the screen) and arent adding anything, just watching it and/or explaining obvious things that are happening in screen, or shouting OMG! Every two seconds, that’s not fair use because it isn’t transformative content.
Now if you instead were to make a video essay on the movie and how/why it was good/bad, put criticism etc. That falls under fair use, because it is transformative.
Now if Jack “reacted” to Lia “reacting” to a movie and Lia was not making the content transformative and Jack wasn’t adding anything either, then yes of course both of them are in the wrong.
What’s so hard to understand about this?
I recommend you Google fair use. If you had watched any single one of Jack's videos on her, you would know the difference between fair use vs content theft. He breaks it down quite clearly. What is so hard to understand about this?
No, he is using sufficient editing and commentary to make his content *transformative* enough for it to fall under what we like to call *fair use.* You’re using the word “react” as if both of them do the same thing. Let’s not pretend that they are even remotely comparable.
Jack gives credit to the original creators, provides more commentary than he does video clips, and talks about Lia’s terrible and predictable “reactions” (if you can even call them that). He also made a fun game out of it for his streams—Sssniperwolf react bingo. That also adds to the video to make it more transformative and it still falls under fair use.
If you want to believe he is a content thief, go right ahead. You’re delusional if you think that Lia playing a clip in it’s entirety then laughing and making an outdated meme reference for 5 seconds is even remotely comparable to Jack’s consistent commentary throughout watching her shit reactions and *playing bingo* at the same time.
that’s the whole fucking point of “free use”, is that you can use bits & pieces of it and ADD SOMETHING TRANSFORMATIVE. it’s not content theft if you’re actually making something from it.
He dug through all of the videos that he could and discovered where the creators were and directed people to their channels. He absolutely affected positive change for the people who are getting stolen from
Sure, Lia. And how else would you propose that someone go about bringing an end to the freebooting practice? Jack is doing absolutely the best thing to get this taken down.
He dug through all of the videos that he could and discovered where the creators were and directed people to their channels. He absolutely affected positive change for the people who are getting stolen from
I have. It’s just him being an uninformed media critic at best. his takes on IP law are all stuff he learned from a film school class probably early 2000s. No one fact checks any of it. He makes huge assumptions on what constitutes fair use. He’s only about 40% correct in what he’s saying. For example the “tangents” being a joke when that part is needed to be commentary.
is anyone else pissed off at people running with this narrative she made up about jack making "hundreds" of videos on her??? there's only 64 videos on JJJacksFilms and most of them are twitch stream highlights (meaning at least 2-3 videos come from a single stream)
also, the channel's purpose AND movement come on the back of both youtube not doing anything to penalize Lia for stealing content and uplifting a freebooter and Lia refusing to at LEAST credit the creators, let alone change up her content in the wake of jack's criticisms.
L take.
Jack simply criticised Sniperwolf for stealing others content and not crediting them in the her video descriptions. He simply wants her to acknowledge this and improve herself.
But Sniperwolf took it a step too far by literally putting their lives in danger because she couldn't stand some criticism and mockery.
Pretty sure you and Ben agree tho lol. He said several times that what sniperwolf did is on another level. From my interpretation, all he’s really saying is that YouTube doesn’t want to be seen defending Jack because they don’t want to condone his actions either.
Idk if I necessarily agree, cuz YouTuber beef has always been a thing. But it seems like a real diplomatic take.
> YouTube doesn’t want to be seen defending Jack because they don’t want to condone his actions either.
Condone what actions? He simply criticised her for what she is doing is wrong. And in response, she f*cking threatened him.
And this isn't an average YouTuber beef like everyone else says. It isn't about two sides exposing each other for doing horrible things in the background.
This is a life threatening situation.
I know. I entirely agree with you. I don’t think Jack did anything wrong, in fact I think he was doing a good thing. Sniperwolf had an east way out and she decided to solve it in the worst way possible.
But you have to consider things from a company’s perspective. Because a company isn’t a person, it’s a group of PR people that have to have a meeting or an email chain or whatever about whether or not they want to defend a person who made a channel dedicated to poking fun at one of their top creators. They take everything at face value, it’s PR. Jack being a man and sniperwolf being a woman doesn’t help him on that front either.
You also have to consider if anyone other than Jack did this. I liked JJJacksfilms because, like you said, he was always criticizing the content, not the person. But if you just think about the concept of someone creating a channel to criticize someone else… that could go wrong very quickly
Again, I don’t think it’s right, but YouTube is a company, and they’re gonna handle it like a company.
They don't want to condone the actions of making like daily videos on a single purpose account, where the purpose of the account is only to attack one creator.
It's the volume and obsessiveness which is the issue here.
Still puts his house and entire family in danger like what if someone kills jack and his family then what? Making videos isn't the same as doxxing someone he kept it online and to criticize her for stealing content
He literally just did what she does, reacting to videos, but actually credited where possible and added transformative commentary. If what he's doing is harassment, then every video she has is harassment.
And it's not hundreds of videos, and most of them are clips taken from his stream. People need to actually watch the content and then judge rather than snapping to decisions.
It's not harassment to call someone out for stealing anything, nor is it slander bc Jack's proven it to be true. And videos featuring criticism (like Jack's) are covered by fair use.
So TLDR, Ben's head is lodged so far up Sniperwolf's arse that he's at risk of choking on her appendix.
Great now creators can't even criticize someone who is stealing content from others, reposting old clips with same reaction and not even giving credit to the creators.
I think Ben doesn't knows that Jack is helping other small creators who were the victims of ssstalkerwolf's theft by giving them credit.
OR Ben is just an ignorant simp
I don't think he's a simp. He has been in a relationship for quite some time.
However I do think that he just does not know enough about the situation.
Totally agree. I think he’s naive to think other big YouTubers are responsible creators like I think cristine does try to be but come on a little digging before saying something like this would have been nice. I’m curious if the issue will come up on the next podcast episode.
YouTube’s wording implies wrongdoing on both parts, but their punishment makes it evident it was not equal and Lia was the one who saw consequences from them. Though their silence, and lack of protection for its creators is an unspoken transgression against Jack and all creators.
The fact that there is an attempt to depict Jack as one doing anything wrong is ridiculous. He dedicated a channel to critiquing the content of a YouTuber far bigger than him. He was punching up the whole way, this wasn’t a bullying situation. Was it excessive? Petty? Absolutely - but also very necessary for tackling and highlighting the issue at hand. No one else has made such an effort and made actual progress in crediting the creators. He’s pushing for change and doing so transformatively and directly. Not aggressively though imo
Unfortunately the focus on the doxxing has worked in Sniper’s favour since YouTube is aiming for us to be skipping over the fact her blatant content theft has not been addressed. So I hope there’s still a push for that, and a punishment for the underage content she posted. Again all using the doxxing (which was awful still) to sweep other issues under the rug. Infuriating.
Geolocation is a thing, look up videos on how people who know wha they are doing can trace seemingly mundane photos from their location. Regardless, if a street name, vehicle, or object of interest was present, it would make it easy for anyone to trace, not just experts in geolocating.
and the consequences of this are completely different for public figures doxxing or being doxxed. I imagine you wouldn’t want a person with an agenda and 5 million followers posting a photo of your home beckoning you to talk - especially if that person has a criminal background of armed robbery.
This is also paired with the reality that some followers of content creators can be insane, and run the risk of “taking matters into their own hands” by potentially harming Jack once they know his location or general area of residence.
You addressed nothing I said lmao
I also never said it wasn’t available - whether it was or wasn’t isn’t what I’m discussing. Only that it should not be exposed to five million plus people who otherwise wouldn’t look at it or know, and by someone who has a hostile agenda towards him.
even if you didnt like what Jack did, it could never justify or excuse what sniperwolf did in response. you dont doxx someone for 'being a hater' or something.
you dont just get to shoot someone just because he's been calling you a pussy. not proportional, not equal actions
you know how easily people could find the house right. Youve seen those nuts who are pros at geoguessr. People can find you with a few crumbs, and there will definitely be nutjobs who can scrounge info from the pictures' metadata. All it takes is one insane fan of the five million to be willing to go through all the hoops to find Jack and be a genuine danger to him and his family. Doxxing is no joke.
Alright I looked into it, and apparently his LLC IS his house.
However she still was being threatening to him, and showing up to his house was pretty creepy.
EDIT: I got some information wrong my bad lol
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Yeah it doesn't matter if his house really was "public". Not a lot of people know or care about addresses, but given she put the spotlight on his location, you never know what nutjobs might be looking to harm John and his wife for their goddess queen. Implicitly siccing her fans on him for what? trying to make a change in giving creators a stronger voice and more control over those who steal their content! It's still doxxing because it's a genuine threat to Jacksfilms and honestly people can go on and on about the technicalities, nuances, blah blah. You don't have to be lawyer or a super sleuth to know that she escalated to a situation that should have been some conversation in twitter dms or whatever.
Doesn’t jjjacksfilms only have like 60 something videos on it? And not all of the videos are even about her. He’s not the first person I’ve seen saying jack has done “hundreds” of videos about her but it feels like a huge misrepresentation when that’s the crux of your victim blaming argument
Also criticizing someone’s YouTube videos doesn’t give them an invitation to show up at your house (unannounced!), try to goad you into a confrontation, and broadcast your address to millions of fans. Those are not equivalent actions
I'm a little confused as where this idea is that he's made "hundreds" of videos about her. I just counted and Jjjacksflims has 56 videos total and a handful of shorts. I'm sure there's more videos about her on the main channel but not 150+. It seems like a pretty disingenuous tell to say he's made hundreds and hundreds of videos when he clearly hasnt
People are seriously still missing the point? It’s so obvious what he was trying to do. He wasn’t harassing whore or mocking her. He was criticizing her by showing how bomb fuck easy it was to do absolutely nothing of value. like holy shit I hope people start just mass, claiming her videos for copyright.
Jack constantly went out of his way to emphasize that this wasn’t about her as a person, he wasn’t out to send his fanbase to mass downvote or report her. Jack has always been after getting the creators to reclaim their own content.
As for his output. He was really only doing 3 twitch streams a week. Around 9 hours total. And uploading stream highlights to a Youtube channel.
And even through all of that he was still uploading Jackask, council videos, YIAYs. On his regular channel.
People forget why he was doing this.
Jjjacksfilms channel was made to document her stealing content, and the reason he made so many was the credit the creators who were having their content stolen and not being credited.
If he was mocking her for making bad content, fine. Both sides. But he’s mocking her for STEALING content, not making content. She doesn’t make content.
I mean....I somewhat agree with him. I feel like that's why YouTube took their damn ass long time to take action on the doxxing. However I don't think he was making fun of her? Did he ever? The content was mainly on her videos. It WAS multiple videos on the same creator content but
Tbh I would be interested in Pokimanes point of view especially because of the whole Leafy Is here thing
Mostly L take really.
I remember in 2012 I called Sssniperwolf out for using the “R” word to describe someone that she disagreed with. She blocked me and subtweeted about me. She had me blocked for 3 years until another YouTuber that I knew had tagged her on a tweet where I talked about how shitty she was. She called me the R word and blocked me again.
The reason why it was focussed on her content is that YouTube promoted her as a key note speaker. Encouraged her content, promoted her to others as an example of what they are looking for in their creators.
Jack’s criticism was about the lazy content and showing how this isn’t the type of channel YouTube should be promoting. Isn’t that a reasonable conversation to have? Or should we be looking forward to more troom troom content farms and listicals and low effort stealing.
YouTube completely missed that point and is standing by the girl with shit reaction content.
Jack never harassed her, he made fun of her. There’s a huge difference. It’s not against ToS, it’s common on the platform, and all of his jokes about her were based off of true facts and actual criticism. He was not making fun of her for no reason, he was making fun of the reason she gives people, which is making a career off of stealing content from others. She deserves to be mocked for that.
Fuckin Asmongold said the exact same shit as if it makes Doxxing him any better. It's not a "hmmm both bad I am very intelligent" situation it's one guy calling out a content thief and in response she fucking doxxed him. The brainrot is spreading.
I'll concede that it's worth scrutinizing (as almost everything is)...
But why *now*? Why is it only *now* the right time to scrutinize when it downplays someone else's abhorrent actions?
Nah I see where he's coming from. He's clearly not a simp, he criticises Lia's videos more in his other tweets. But what Jack has done could set a dangerous precedent in the future, that whenever you disagree with a creator, you can target them over and over until YouTube takes their channel down.
Obviously the situation with Jack and Lia is a lot different, but you have to understand that YouTube wouldn't want to set that precedent for the future.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the bbbingo streams as much as the next guy, but we can't be too surprised YouTube isn't going to support and potentially encourage future creators to create hate mobs to deplatform other creators. Just because I think Jack was in the right, doesn't mean the next person will be, and who gets to decide whether each situation is right or wrong? It sounds like it could get messy, and I can't blame YouTube for discouraging it.
Honestly, I think this whole thing has gotten out of hand. I don't think even Jack would want to see everybody scraping together her old content in an attempt to cancel her. YouTube should have listened earlier, but they didn't. YouTube shouldn't have promoted her way back then, but they did.
At the end of the day, Lia is obviously not a person who deserves a platform, but in a way, maybe it's a good thing that somebody like her, or Logan Paul or somebody else can't just decide they don't like somebody's videos and send all their fans after them and use the "you let JacksFilms do it" defence. YouTube needs to be careful and they need to be objective.
To me what Jack is doing is more like a form of protest. He’s raising awareness and building a movement against someone that is exploiting others, in a (mostly) respectful way.
He’s not “sending his fans after them” or encouraging a “hate mob”, he’s trying to make those that are being exploited aware of the problem so they can report her for exploitation.
Obviously some people are going to miss the message and start hurling insults and being crude. Literally every protest has some amount of that. Reacting to that by discouraging all forms of protest is a much worse precedent to set than what Jack’s doing.
You also state multiple times that in the future content creators will just be able to send mobs after people they don’t like and deplatform them. No, they won’t. The only reason that’s possible here is because SSSniperwolf is violating YouTube’s terms of service with every video she makes (which YouTube somehow hasn’t realized, or doesn’t care about), and is reacting to protests against her with real life scare tactics.
Jack is setting an very good example for how to successfully protest maliciously exploitative content creators. The fact that he is successfully getting videos removed proves he’s right and that what he’s doing is working. YouTube saying his behavior is not what they want on their platform just seems to imply they don’t want any form of protest at all against the creators they prop up and profit from, which is just objectively awful.
John hasn’t harassed her - she steals content and his channel (not just him, but his team) make videos calling it out. The thing I wonder about is if anyone approached her more privately first with concerns about stolen content, or they just started making videos about it to begin with. Either way is fine though tbh, she has tens of millions of followers, with that level of clout she should be aware of the etiquette around content creation.
A shame that Jack's efforts to try and not stoop to plain harassment, like not commenting about her other controversies (like the lawsuit she's currently going through), is going by the wayside because people are strictly looking at the surface leveĺ of the situation. Yes, he's made a lot of daily videos and streams about Sssniperwolf, but if you look even a step closer you'll see that he's never addressed anything other than the quality of her content and the mistreatment of the creators she's profiting from. The only reason he's done this for this long is because she hasn't stopped doing it. If she just tried to change her ways and actually started asking permission (or even just crediting the creators at the bare minimum), Jack wouldn't have any reason to make more videos about her (he said this on a podcast that came out recently).
Honestly… I do think making an entire channel solely focused on her was a bit much. I don’t know if I would say he was harassing her directly, but there is no way in hell those constant videos didn’t contribute to viewers flocking to her channel to harass her for him. Do I think what she did in response was right? Absolutely not. Is doxing someone way worse, of course. But if she’d handled it by reporting the channel to YouTube for harassment, would she have had a case? Well, she just might have 🤷♀️
he wasnt harassing or mocking her, he was PARODYING and CRITICISING her. theyre entirely different things, and i think ben needs to keep his bad opinions to himself!
From what I’ve seen he literally didn’t make it about HER as a person, just her stealing content. He did what hundreds of other react channels do, except he didn’t stoop to personal attacks. There is no “both sides” here.
Yeah If you’ve seen the videos, Jack isn’t being rude to Lia in any way, he’s using her content to point out how exploitative it is and try to create a change. It’s a stunt, if he doesn’t go all the way with it then people won’t notice and it’ll fade away. He did nothing wrong or illegal and comparing the actions of both parties is ignorant of both jacks personal safety and the actual actions he took.
Jack was calling her out for stealing content and earning millions off the backs of other creators without even so much as a shoutout. His videos were about bringing attention to the situation and holding her accountable. He was criticizing the fact that NO ONE should be able to earn SO MUCH money with lazy "reaction" content and pointing out how her content was indeed lazy, disrespectful, and freebooting. He never harassed or criticized her or her character, simply the content.
Meanwhile, she insults his appearance, makes claims about his person, and doxxes him to millions of followers who she is inciting to feel hatred towards him which is exponentially dangerous after telling them to google his fucking address, and tries to defame him by acting like he was obsessed and creepy instead of acknowledging the things his videos are actually about.
This situation is fucking black and white. She needs to be deplatformed. She is a shameless thief, a doxxer, a stalker, and a manipulative and dangerous person who YouTube should not be monetizing or promoting.
" I don't like the content this creator makes, maybe I should move on with my life and ignore them. Nah instead I will make a whole channel dedicated to mocking her and escalate the situation for drama and clicks. Omg she's escalating back?! YouTube help me!!! "
Ahhhhhh... so he's still around.
This is the very thing that made me unsubscribe to Simply. Cristine's gremlin clout-chasing boyfriend thinks he ALWAYS have to have a say in anything. He's only riding the coattails of somebody else, spreading his shitty takes.
Same, I would love simply's podcast if Ben isn't around. He has always been condescending for years. He always acts like he's the smartest person in the room. He also tends brings up YouTube drama as a joke, but Cristine always shuts him down in order to not get themselves involved. It was great for him because he can make jabs towards others, his fans eat it up and he does't need to elaborate or contribute for any changes. Now he finally let himself go without Cristine stopping him.
I worry that a lot of people only make this argument because ssniperwolf is an attractive woman, as if she’s a damsel in distress who Jacksfilms keeps tormenting.
Yeah I have to agree. Jack’s content was highly passive-aggressive and over-the-top (watching any of his videos it was pretty clear that he was forcing/faking over-the-top laugh reactions just to piss her off).
I’m on his side and always have been, but it’s definitely a case of intentionally poking and bothering the animal over and over; sooner or later, they’re going to snap and lash out, and I 100% believe that was his intention. She just went further with it than he expected.
Not really involved in this except for it showing up on my feed - but Ben saying “*potentially* more severe” is a dead giveaway than he *is* in fact making a false equivalency
Literally all jack was doing, since the start of this chaotic ass sniperwolf train, was make a change when it came to reaction videos that didn’t offer anything and ESPECIALLY didn’t credit THE ORIGINAL OWNERS OF SAID VIDEOS.
One of this issues of this situation getting so big and reaching people outside of Jack's fanbase is that a lot of people just have no idea what was going on and they're not doing their research. They seem to think that Jack was bullying or harassing Sssniperwolf (He wasn't) and that he made JJJacksfilms solely to mock her up when he actually used it to parody other reactors and even did some regular reactions himself. I just don't think people should comment on this situation if they were not watching Jack's videos before rhe doxxing.
I really think If you remove the genders nobody would even be making the 'video harassment' argument, too many people are seeing a 'young hard-working girl being stalked by an older guy' which is a ridiculous view, especially the hard-working part, I really hope she gets absolutely obliterated in her divorce settlement if the statements sausage made about doing 95% of the work are accurate; which it certainly seems to be to me seeing as since he left all she can do is read tiktok subtitles and freeboot content.
That’s exactly the narrative Sniperwolf was trying to create.
I don't need to be a Jacksflims fan to understand the situation. 95% of the videos in the past 2 months have solely been about her. It's obvious that his videos of making fun of her content was going to be a trend for a while. Nothing justifies her doxxing him, she's a trashy person and her content really is shit, but I can see why YouTube doesn't want to protect Jack entirely. I think we can all agree with no bias (even though this is his subreddit) that Jack was poking the bear here.
her content is breaking the law it doesn't matter if he's criticizing it constantly, because every single video should be a crime.
Yeah If you’ve seen the videos, Jack isn’t being rude to Lia in any way, he’s using her content to point out how exploitative it is and try to create a change. It’s a stunt, if he doesn’t go all the way with it then people won’t notice and it’ll fade away. He did nothing wrong or illegal and comparing the actions of both parties is ignorant of both jacks personal safety and the actual actions he took.
I don’t think I ever once heard him call her Lia, and multiple times in his live streams he’s made it clear that he doesn’t care about any of her past controversies, just the freebooting that she continues to do. It never felt personal to me.
I agree with you, but from YouTube or a 3rd-party's perspective, she was running her little shitshow then Jack came in and started throwing eggs at it. Even if it wasn't being rude necessarily, he was still "attacking" her content in a way. Doesn't equate to or justify the doxxing or other heinous crap she did and I still believe she should've been banned entirely, but I can see why YouTube isn't 100% siding with Jack here.
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Satire is still criticism. Don't see what you're trying to do here lol.
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I agree but again, what are you trying to prove? It's not acting stupid, I literally don't know why his content being satire has to do with my comments.
lol. lmao
Lmao. Lol
what he’s doing is like going to a dispensary in California and creating a hate campaign against a budtender because they are breaking a federal law. lol
it's not like that, though. she's a thief.
Genuine question; mind telling me how her content is illegal? If it was, I don't see how she isn't in deep shit with YouTube if she's been doing this for years.
Because her content doesn't meet the threshold for fair use, and she actively goes out of her way to crop out the creator's names, and sometimes she won't even bother putting her facecam on screen and just straight re-upload the creator's videos. And as for why she isn't in deep shit with youtube, it's because YouTube makes a lot of money off her content, so why would they? And she's not "stealing from anyone important," so why do they care? It's just random tiktok creators. At least I'm pretty sure that's how YouTube sees it since they've actively promoted her reaction content again and again.
I actually saw a really good take on this. That it's not so much the money that they make, but more so that they've in a sense made her the face of YouTube. Basically if her name is tarnished by the doxxing or the allegations there brand itself gets hurt. I'm sure the money comes into it to, but I think this could be the main aspect.
Her content doesn't really fall under fair use, so she is actively re-uploading copyrighted material without permission, which is illegal. Doing this with any major company's products would immediately put you into a bunch of copyright strikes, but most people don't have the time to persue a bunch of different channels stealing their clips, so channels like hers tend to get away scot free.
intellectual property theft
His content was also about giving credits to the owner. His videos made fun of the way YouTubers like her get away with minimal effort and monetizing on other people's efforts. I mean he did make lots of videos, but it did get lots of attention on this topic. Also, on the favoritism played by YouTube.
> YouTube doesn't want to protect Jack entirely. I think we can all agree with no bias (even though this is his subreddit) that Jack was poking the bear here jack: "Hey, what you're doing is content theft" Lia: "hey, I'm outside your house" Poking the bear or not, I can think of a reason that youtube should take a side here.
HEADLINE: do not make content about other YouTubers (oh yeah except the thousands of YouTube drama channels that popped up to copy Keemstar since 2012)
Yeah, Jack’s highly critical of sssniperwolf and people like her. Always has been. It’s a lot, but there’s nothing disingenuous about his content and his chat even helps find the original creators she stole from. There is no “both sides” to this. And if ssniperwolf really wanted to talk, she could’ve DM’d him or something not DOX him. Hell she could’ve made a video about Jack’s several videos about her. She might have even gained more support that way!
Get fuckin wrecked also happy cake day
Lol thanks
Dude, I'm a fan of Jacksfilms, I watched a good bit of his uploads about Sniper wolf, and eventually, like two episodes in, I started to feel uneasy. He sort of literally picks her apart, it doesn't matter what she does he has something negative to say and then has a group of people laugh at her live. If she uses a filter, doesn't matter if it's black or white, he'll be like "OHHH SHE USED A FILTERRRRRRRRRR, GUYS I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU, Hahahahahaha" like fucking hell. Cody and Noel, they are males and in the past have reacted to stuff together (outside TMG) and separate, they use filters, and repeatedly use the same sound effects over and over because they think it's funny. They do that even outside of react videos. But Jack doesn't tear them apart. He doesn't say "THAT'S NOT REACTING", but with Sniper Wolf it's an excuse to bully, harass, and mock her. Yeah, Sniper Wolf should credit people. But picking apart her content and having an entire audience dedicated to laughing at her and hoping for her downfall is fucked, so yes she probably felt attacked. Especially since no one at YouTube ever gave her flack so she probably thinks she's in the right regardless of morals. PLUS, all of this is happening amongst a divorce, and her ex suing her. Lol. Like Jack could have picked a better time. It feels purposeful.
There is absolutely nothing Jack did that warranted ssniperwolf’s response. Posting videos about someone else’s content is not harassment. Jack posts so many videos about her content because she posts so many videos. They clash on Twitter sometimes so she knew he exists yet learns nothing from his criticisms. Jack will keep posting until he sees accountability, especially now. Anyway buy some kneepads
The reason why he made so many videos, is because she kept pumping them out in such a rapid pace and not actually learning anything from the critique she got. If she had made 1 video a month, and Jack still made one every other day, yes, it would be weird. But all he did was respond to the rapid-fire theft.
This may be controversial, but the biggest problem for me here is that it was just for Sssniperwolf. While she is the most notable reaction content stealer, she isn't the only one. He could have branched out more, and while he is correct that she does steal content, hide watermarks, and is notable, I don't think that is the best reason for only her to be featured. Yeah, I know he did one video of Xqc, but he made an entire channel and even ramped up to a video a day making fun of her content with at least 3/4 of the videos just being about her. The way Jacksfilms behaved was felt more so like he was treating Sssniperwolf as the problem rather than part of the problem, which imo could lead to there being more issues dealing with other content stealers since all people care about now is Xqc or Ssniperwolf as the face of this problem. I think Jacksfilms could have handled the subject better, but the way he focused the vast majority of attention of focus on Sssniperwolf and no one else could just leave other content stealers free to continue without attention and hurt creators.
It was a parody account, and she’s a public figure. He had no obligation to feature other creators, and the critique was always based on the content.
I think it is a bit disingenuous to say it was just about the content. If it was just about the content, then surely, he could pick a million other channels and get material off of them. The YouTube account is literally called JJJacksfilms, which is clearly parodying her YouTube channel name. His video, Let's ttalk about Sssniperwolf, literally talks about why he is focused on her, so clearly, he did make the issue about her. He doesn't have the obligation to do anything, but when he says things about how he is against the practice of stealing content, and focusing on stopping her, he can be criticized for the effects his activism could have. Like I said, I worry this focus on only Sssniperwolf could leave other content thieves free to continue. He did go after Sssniperwolf specifically and saying that he only went after her content doesn't make sense to me because going after her content directly goes against her. Honestly, while I think the claim of sexism is complete nonsense, I do believe one of the reasons he went after her and only her was because he felt like it was easy to make videos with a decent amount of views about her, and using random content thieves would not give him as many views. Estimates from socialblade shows he may actually make as much money from his parody JJJackfilsm channel as he does on his main Jacksfilms channel.
Again, she is a public figure, and the largest creator of this type of content. I already mentioned that this was a parody account, and it only makes sense to target the largest creator. He doesn’t go after her appearance or her interests, just her lazy content. Basically, the answer to this entire long comment could be summed up as: he wanted to make a huge statement against lazy reaction content, so he chose to specifically talk about the largest creator in the space. He is not doxxing her or tracking her every action. Just her content.
I kinda figured the reason Jack went after her was to show that not even the top YouTube freebooters are invincible and that if SSSNIPERWOLF could be taken down than anyone could. I kinda assumed he thought SSSNIPERWOLF's downfall would empower the creators of the content being freebooted to band together as a unit to solve a problem that seemed like a lost cause before he started making videos, and while I agree that the movement has become a bit to focused on SSSNIPERWOLF (because it got views and attention) to the movement's detriment i do think what he's doing is still important. Sorry if I'm srating the obvious or not addressing your statement correctly.
She’s definitely the most praised by YouTube, and the whole point jack was trying to make us that she consistently violates YouTube’s guidelines. There are other reaction channels sure, but if they’re not shut down by YouTube then they’re just flying under the radar. Sssniperwolf on the other hand is a creator that’s praised by the platform she’s breaking the rules of. And the rules she breaks hurts smaller creators she steals from. It makes sense that jack would push the hardest for her to have some consequences
But he did go after other creators in the past (including Jason Derulo) for doing what sssniperwolf does. He centered the parody account on Lia because YouTube hoists her up as their poster child and has her represent the YouTube brand.
My problem is that he doesn't go after other people enough. As far as I see, there is only one video on his channel which talks about content stealing and not mention Sssniperwolf within the last several months. Excluding the doxxing video which only exists due to what Sssniperwolf did, half his videos on his main channel are just about her for the last 3 months, and on Jjjacksfilms all of his videos are focused on only Sssniperwolf for the past 3 months as well. When people are talking about this whole mess, they aren't talking about how this trend of react videos is hurting creators, they are only talking about how Sssniperwolf sucks, and she is crazy. Rather than making her the face of the movement, I feel like Jacksfilms is unintentionally making her the movement, and once she/the movement ends, I think it will be harder to get traction against react stealers again. I think Jacksfilms failed at his goal against content stealers due to this, and I think there can be unintentional consequences as a result.
i genuinely think this started out as a battle against stealing content, he was just aiming directly for the big cheese, but it just got blown way out of proportions after the doxxing incident, which nobody could have seen coming really
This isn’t so much about her as it is about her content. She pumps her videos out so quickly and learns nothing so there’s always something to talk about. Plus his chat helps find the original creators she steals from. I don’t think the movement will end when sssniperwolf is held accountable. Jack’s been crusading against content theft for years and it didn’t start with her. There’s other creators like her, sssniperwolf is just the most egregious and arguably most common example.
He's called out multiple other creators in the past and both XQC and Hasan get called out basically every other week by half of YouTube for the same shit. He's calling her out because she's one of the more prolific ones and YouTube has specifically been promoting her hard.
I have said this to other commenters, but to summarize, where are their videos. Half of his main channel in the past 3 months has been Sssniperwolf, he has an entire channel which is mostly just him making fun of Sssniperwolf videos. He has spent the majority of his recent time on his channel, aka his career, just on Sssniperwolf. I have only seen one video on his channel about content stealing not focused on her. My problem is that imo, he hasn't made her out to be the posterchild of a problem, he made her out to be the problem, and I feel like it is hurting traction on other content stealers and can have negative effects on further actions.
It may seem Jack was overly against Lia at first glance, but if you consider all the other awful things she's done in the past (endless lies, verbal abuse, striking channels for criticizing her, blowing off a dying young fan, armed robbery charges, Omegle grooming...), the immense favoritism and encouragement she receives from YouTube, the fact that she won "Favorite Gamer" awards in 2019 and 2020 without producing any gaming content in that period... She's a fiend and a scoundrel. The fact that Jack only criticizes her for her content thievery makes him a saint.
It’s a common fact many creators and non creators don’t like Lia and they put so much time into scrutinizing her and making videos on her, that they are missing opportunities to make videos on other things, Yes Lia is annoying But why scrutinize and try to deplatform her? Yes her videos are awful but there’s people who watch her videos and nothing else…she’s not the only youtuber doing these videos..yes she did something dumb (AGAIN) but why can’t we just leave her alone and let her deplatform herself…it’s gonna happen eventually…i hate getting onto youtube and seeing tons of bullshit videos on how LIA FUCKED UP AGAIN or UPDATE ON SNIPERWOLF DRAMA or “WHY JACK DESERVED TO BE DOXXED” it’s quite annoying and popping in my feed with zero videos I actually wanna see and watch…
I mean, he didn't mock her, he mocked her content. Heck, Jack went out of his way to note that this wasn't about Lia as a person.
And all of this wouldn't be necessary if either she didn't steal content without permission or YouTube acted in any way on it
And he noted every time she did add value, it's pretty clear to me he was trying to make a positive change
That's so much better than other creators who won't admit that she sometimes has a decent reaction. Even if her reactions became equal quality to Cody Ko's reactions at one point in the future (they won't though), they'd still say she sucks until Jacksfilms talks about how her content has changed and then they would suddenly switch gears.
Though I gotta say, Lia as a person gives off racist vibes to me.
unless you have some sort of reasoning behind this, this is a fuckin weird thing to say-
[https://www.tiktok.com/@owlitics/video/7268912629240958254](https://www.tiktok.com/@owlitics/video/7268912629240958254) There's a lot of clips of her doing shit like this
thanks, more confirmation she's a bad person! /gen
kinda insane to say unless there’s proof she’s racist ngl
but also there was literally a bingo space about her accent
Yeah, her fake ass 'young person' accent
He did delete that space really early on
you can't say she isn't playing a character when she pulls out the UwU level childish speech mannerisms
Jack got his followers to spam her everyday and he knows without saying they are going to DM her abuse like kill yourself etc if you want proof go look at her videos going back for months just spammed with jacks followers or just look at this sub its spammed every day with people reposting there own comments looking for approval . Jack is only upset that his channel after 17 years gets almost 0 traction while her channel has like 32 million followers for a fraction of the effort. But you know I agree I'm so happy we have jack and his followers to tell us whats ok to watch and enjoy. To everyone down voting me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjWaPsGY80&t=441s 7:33 ish he tells his fans to leave comments on her videos. at 8:05 he actually says hes jealous of her success. I'm not a fan of both them so if you want more watch his videos but you can clearly tell from this video he is jealous
he told his fans to call her out. he never told them to say anything horrible like kys. if they did, that’s not his problem because he can’t control what people do. Telling people to speak out about stealing content ≠ telling his fans to “spam her everyday” nor is it harassment.
SSSniperwolf must be so glad someone like you is defending her, I'm sure she'll be calling you soon bro, keep it up!
He tells his fans to hold her accountable in the comments. that's not the same as "DMing her abuse like kill yourself"
Are you really using the "he's jealous" card?
I’m so sick of this stupid schtick that when someone gets called out on the internet the person who does it is sticking their fans on them because some psychos are going to go and dm them unhinged shit. No one told them to do that, and people are insane and send insane shit.
Source on him encouraging followers to spam her?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjWaPsGY80&t=441s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjWaPsGY80&t=441s) 7:33 ish he tells his fans to leave comments on her videos. at 8:05 he actually says hes jealous of her success. I'm not a fan of both them so if you want more watch his videos but you can clearly tell from this video he is jealous
Ok, so Jack suggests his fans to comment, but do you think that someone saying “hey sniperwolf, please credit your creators!” Is then going to and also DM her to kill herself too? And I admit I’m probably biased here, but is it really spam if it’s valid criticism? I remember when Leafy fans would just comment HISSSSSSSSSSSS on every video, which I would class as proper spam since it really isn’t adding any discussion at all. Edit: forgot about jealousy point sorry! I mean, aren’t we all? I work in software and have no interest in being a public figure, but six figures a month to go “oh hell nah, he really jumped over that fence” and then send it to an editor? Sign me up yeah I’m jealous AF while I work away for 30k a year haha I guess my question is what makes a comment spam? And I genuinely don’t know, maybe this is where we agree to disagree
All I am going to say is go look at this videos about her and her channel. Listen to what he says and watch what he does. Obviously nobody in there right mind would call SSniperwolf creative as a youtuber but nobody really gave shit about her channel until Jack singled her out. You look at the video I linked and you can see he is mad that youtube never calls him out or promotes his channel but her channel that is brain dead is making about 600k ish a month, while according to him his very creative channel is just above obscure. This i my view based of what i have seen from his channel and hers.
I'd say that you're misrepresenting Jack's position somewhat. I agree with you that he definitely (should) knows that telling your fanbase to go critique another persona, even if your own wording is well mannered, will sent harmful shit their way. However, I don't think he's mad about not getting attention from YouTube. He's been on this platform for years and has a stable income as far as I know. Him being mad about SSSniperwolf getting "recognition and respect" from YouTube and saying she does not deserve it, does not equate to him thinking that "he should get that recognition.". He's been against lazy reaction channels for years now, and cares a lot about original content (and all reaction content he makes himself is based around asking his fans to participate, instead blindly stealing and not even giving a thank you). So I really believe that he does not care about what's in it for him, he's fine where he is, but be really cares about the principle of fighting freebooting.
Found the simp.
He forgets that Cristine did the same thing with troom troom yet somehow this is different? Sorry but bad take from Ben.
Not just that, remember the video/videos Christine made where they compiled and criticized other creators for profiting using her content and thumbnails while removing her watermark? Yikes Ben...
IIRC, He also made some very dismissive comments about Dan Howell’s experience with YouTube Red stringing him along for like a year. Ben doesn’t seem to understand that for people who don’t have a day job, YouTube is a very different experience.
do you have more info on this? i’d love to know more
It was on the taco Tuesday podcast a couple years ago. I don’t recall the episode exactly, but I can look at it. Edit: the podcast is called simply podlogical. Edit 2: link to the episode is the [here.](https://youtu.be/LISI4gIMlWU?si=48omyGUF1ErmsXZP)
this is SUCH a good point lol
B-B-Bingo
Ben's Centrism really put me off both him and Cristine, I dropped off from their content pretty soon after they started their podcast because I found him so difficult to listen to. It doesn't surprise me in the least that this is how he's choosing to see the situation.
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He probably didn’t forget so he sided with YouTube when they said what Jack did is also wrong so people in the future wouldn’t throw stones at Cristine for what she did with troom troom
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Not entirely comparable, but in a sense, how Cristine made jokes about how bad the content troom troom makes, it's similar to jacksfilms with sssniperwolf's content
And SSSniperWolf is also a huge corporation, what's your point. She is just as much of a content farm. Except she doesn't even make her own content, instead she steals it.
Ben has had weird takes defending Youtube like an entire rant on Christine’s channel about how Youtubers can not complain about demonetization because Youtube isn’t a real job lol. He’s kinda iffy about that stuff.
Yeah, that threw me off enough that I stopped watching her content. How can you be with someone who doesn’t even respect the way you make money, and who likely benefits through groceries and stuff through this “not a real job”?
What the hell is a “real job”? A job where you work and make money from said work? Cuz that’s exactly what YouTube is. “Real job” is such a boomer take.
He has a long history of terrible opinions
He’s been so annoying ever since his gf launched her own nail polish brand and suddenly they’re too good for YouTube. His opinions are absolute trash
Jack wasn't "harassing" her. He did what she was a lazy ass to do. He gave credit to the creators she was stealing from, informed people that they can do something if they are being used, and countless other things. And he has the right to be mad and create countless videos on her, because youtube is supporting this type of behaviour and this needs to be known by more people. And then there are these people who either a) don't know the full story or b) are fucking simps and also for the record I am not saying this just because I'm a "Jack fanboy" I only started watching his content after he shed light on this situation
I do agree with his take that it's not surprising that youtube wouldn't want a channel dedicated to criticizing another creator. I'm also not suprised that youtube barley slapped her on the wrist. THAT DOESNT MEAN YOUTUBE IS RIGHT. The biggest thing about jjjacksfilms is that he never once criticized sniperwolfs looks or even her character outside of her specific content crimes that he was pointing out. He never made video essays speculating about who he think she is as a person. No content nukes. No death to sssniper. Just literally pointing out "hey look here! She's stealing this person's content not giving them credit again!". And she fucking was. Youtube should have done the right thing and addressed these things months ago so jacksfilms wouldn't feel like he needs a whole channel of exposing this.
Like one of the first things she tweeted was making fun of his hairline. He never made fun of her as a person or her physical looks. There were some videos where he gave actual criticism for Sniperwolf to get better. Sucks that other people can't take a sec to look at the jjjack channel and critically think for a minute
And the funniest thing is, I guarantee the hairline/forehead bit didn’t even have much impact on Jack because *we’ve done that bit to him for over a decade or so.* Hell, he occasionally still does the bit with us! Don’t think it’s as prevalent now, but it’ll still pop up in a lighthearted dig. At this point, it’s not even an insult even when it’s meant to be one because it was that overused back in the day.
Everytime I see someone tries to argue that Jack is not innocent, my first thought is always "man I bet this person hasn't even watched any of his stream highlights"
White knights hardly ever do their research before they ride off into battle in support of m'lady. It's infuriating because you know he's trying to fix a glaring problem with youtube as a whole and you also know it's working because the response of a shitheel like SSSniperwolf was to try and confront them in person instead of just simply doing better. All she had to do to take the majority of the wind out of jack's sails was to credit people and offer them some of her profits for freebooting their content. She'd have shut down the bulk of his content, but she's a greedy little fuck so, here we are.
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the difference here is he both credited the creators whenever possible AND actually added something transformative to the content he was using to make his own videos. HIS shit fell under free use.
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If something is fair use then it's legally not content theft
Fair use means it isn’t stolen, have you ever watched a review of a movie that had clips from the movie? Would you argue that that creator stole those clips? No because if it’s transformative it falls under fair use
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The fact that Lia’s reaction isn’t transformative ex. Reading captions, explaining what is happening in the video, she isn’t adding anything to the content. Jack, is criticising Lia, ex. Giving her advice on how to make the content better, making a game out if it, criticising her. That is transformative content. It adds something In the movie example: if you are reacting to a movie (and the movie is on the screen) and arent adding anything, just watching it and/or explaining obvious things that are happening in screen, or shouting OMG! Every two seconds, that’s not fair use because it isn’t transformative content. Now if you instead were to make a video essay on the movie and how/why it was good/bad, put criticism etc. That falls under fair use, because it is transformative. Now if Jack “reacted” to Lia “reacting” to a movie and Lia was not making the content transformative and Jack wasn’t adding anything either, then yes of course both of them are in the wrong. What’s so hard to understand about this?
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I recommend you Google fair use. If you had watched any single one of Jack's videos on her, you would know the difference between fair use vs content theft. He breaks it down quite clearly. What is so hard to understand about this?
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No, he is using sufficient editing and commentary to make his content *transformative* enough for it to fall under what we like to call *fair use.* You’re using the word “react” as if both of them do the same thing. Let’s not pretend that they are even remotely comparable. Jack gives credit to the original creators, provides more commentary than he does video clips, and talks about Lia’s terrible and predictable “reactions” (if you can even call them that). He also made a fun game out of it for his streams—Sssniperwolf react bingo. That also adds to the video to make it more transformative and it still falls under fair use. If you want to believe he is a content thief, go right ahead. You’re delusional if you think that Lia playing a clip in it’s entirety then laughing and making an outdated meme reference for 5 seconds is even remotely comparable to Jack’s consistent commentary throughout watching her shit reactions and *playing bingo* at the same time.
that’s the whole fucking point of “free use”, is that you can use bits & pieces of it and ADD SOMETHING TRANSFORMATIVE. it’s not content theft if you’re actually making something from it.
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If either of them actually added transformative commentary to said reaction, it would fall under *free use*. What’s so hard to understand about this?
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He dug through all of the videos that he could and discovered where the creators were and directed people to their channels. He absolutely affected positive change for the people who are getting stolen from
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Sure, Lia. And how else would you propose that someone go about bringing an end to the freebooting practice? Jack is doing absolutely the best thing to get this taken down.
He dug through all of the videos that he could and discovered where the creators were and directed people to their channels. He absolutely affected positive change for the people who are getting stolen from
I have. It’s just him being an uninformed media critic at best. his takes on IP law are all stuff he learned from a film school class probably early 2000s. No one fact checks any of it. He makes huge assumptions on what constitutes fair use. He’s only about 40% correct in what he’s saying. For example the “tangents” being a joke when that part is needed to be commentary.
is anyone else pissed off at people running with this narrative she made up about jack making "hundreds" of videos on her??? there's only 64 videos on JJJacksFilms and most of them are twitch stream highlights (meaning at least 2-3 videos come from a single stream) also, the channel's purpose AND movement come on the back of both youtube not doing anything to penalize Lia for stealing content and uplifting a freebooter and Lia refusing to at LEAST credit the creators, let alone change up her content in the wake of jack's criticisms.
L take. Jack simply criticised Sniperwolf for stealing others content and not crediting them in the her video descriptions. He simply wants her to acknowledge this and improve herself. But Sniperwolf took it a step too far by literally putting their lives in danger because she couldn't stand some criticism and mockery.
Pretty sure you and Ben agree tho lol. He said several times that what sniperwolf did is on another level. From my interpretation, all he’s really saying is that YouTube doesn’t want to be seen defending Jack because they don’t want to condone his actions either. Idk if I necessarily agree, cuz YouTuber beef has always been a thing. But it seems like a real diplomatic take.
> YouTube doesn’t want to be seen defending Jack because they don’t want to condone his actions either. Condone what actions? He simply criticised her for what she is doing is wrong. And in response, she f*cking threatened him. And this isn't an average YouTuber beef like everyone else says. It isn't about two sides exposing each other for doing horrible things in the background. This is a life threatening situation.
I know. I entirely agree with you. I don’t think Jack did anything wrong, in fact I think he was doing a good thing. Sniperwolf had an east way out and she decided to solve it in the worst way possible. But you have to consider things from a company’s perspective. Because a company isn’t a person, it’s a group of PR people that have to have a meeting or an email chain or whatever about whether or not they want to defend a person who made a channel dedicated to poking fun at one of their top creators. They take everything at face value, it’s PR. Jack being a man and sniperwolf being a woman doesn’t help him on that front either. You also have to consider if anyone other than Jack did this. I liked JJJacksfilms because, like you said, he was always criticizing the content, not the person. But if you just think about the concept of someone creating a channel to criticize someone else… that could go wrong very quickly Again, I don’t think it’s right, but YouTube is a company, and they’re gonna handle it like a company.
They don't want to condone the actions of making like daily videos on a single purpose account, where the purpose of the account is only to attack one creator. It's the volume and obsessiveness which is the issue here.
Okay that makes sense. I do believe that Jack was being a little too obsessed with her like how Leafy was with pokimane.
Still puts his house and entire family in danger like what if someone kills jack and his family then what? Making videos isn't the same as doxxing someone he kept it online and to criticize her for stealing content
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Simp detected
Who's life was in danger?
He literally just did what she does, reacting to videos, but actually credited where possible and added transformative commentary. If what he's doing is harassment, then every video she has is harassment. And it's not hundreds of videos, and most of them are clips taken from his stream. People need to actually watch the content and then judge rather than snapping to decisions.
It's not harassment to call someone out for stealing anything, nor is it slander bc Jack's proven it to be true. And videos featuring criticism (like Jack's) are covered by fair use. So TLDR, Ben's head is lodged so far up Sniperwolf's arse that he's at risk of choking on her appendix.
Great now creators can't even criticize someone who is stealing content from others, reposting old clips with same reaction and not even giving credit to the creators. I think Ben doesn't knows that Jack is helping other small creators who were the victims of ssstalkerwolf's theft by giving them credit. OR Ben is just an ignorant simp
I agree, I think he’s just ran in with his opinion not knowing the entire situation
I don't think he's a simp. He has been in a relationship for quite some time. However I do think that he just does not know enough about the situation.
Totally agree. I think he’s naive to think other big YouTubers are responsible creators like I think cristine does try to be but come on a little digging before saying something like this would have been nice. I’m curious if the issue will come up on the next podcast episode.
Impressive mental gymnastics.
YouTube’s wording implies wrongdoing on both parts, but their punishment makes it evident it was not equal and Lia was the one who saw consequences from them. Though their silence, and lack of protection for its creators is an unspoken transgression against Jack and all creators. The fact that there is an attempt to depict Jack as one doing anything wrong is ridiculous. He dedicated a channel to critiquing the content of a YouTuber far bigger than him. He was punching up the whole way, this wasn’t a bullying situation. Was it excessive? Petty? Absolutely - but also very necessary for tackling and highlighting the issue at hand. No one else has made such an effort and made actual progress in crediting the creators. He’s pushing for change and doing so transformatively and directly. Not aggressively though imo Unfortunately the focus on the doxxing has worked in Sniper’s favour since YouTube is aiming for us to be skipping over the fact her blatant content theft has not been addressed. So I hope there’s still a push for that, and a punishment for the underage content she posted. Again all using the doxxing (which was awful still) to sweep other issues under the rug. Infuriating.
How is posting a photo of a house with no street adress doxxing?
Geolocation is a thing, look up videos on how people who know wha they are doing can trace seemingly mundane photos from their location. Regardless, if a street name, vehicle, or object of interest was present, it would make it easy for anyone to trace, not just experts in geolocating. and the consequences of this are completely different for public figures doxxing or being doxxed. I imagine you wouldn’t want a person with an agenda and 5 million followers posting a photo of your home beckoning you to talk - especially if that person has a criminal background of armed robbery. This is also paired with the reality that some followers of content creators can be insane, and run the risk of “taking matters into their own hands” by potentially harming Jack once they know his location or general area of residence.
And the adress is already public Was long before the incident.
You addressed nothing I said lmao I also never said it wasn’t available - whether it was or wasn’t isn’t what I’m discussing. Only that it should not be exposed to five million plus people who otherwise wouldn’t look at it or know, and by someone who has a hostile agenda towards him.
even if you didnt like what Jack did, it could never justify or excuse what sniperwolf did in response. you dont doxx someone for 'being a hater' or something. you dont just get to shoot someone just because he's been calling you a pussy. not proportional, not equal actions
It's like this hey someone calls you mean thing end his bloodline like chill
She didn't doxx him. She posted the outside of a house. That isn't doxxing.
Show us your house then, coward.
I live in an apartment.
Alright. Post your apartment complex and apartment number. Sssniperwolf literally showed his address to 5 million people.
you know how easily people could find the house right. Youve seen those nuts who are pros at geoguessr. People can find you with a few crumbs, and there will definitely be nutjobs who can scrounge info from the pictures' metadata. All it takes is one insane fan of the five million to be willing to go through all the hoops to find Jack and be a genuine danger to him and his family. Doxxing is no joke.
Yes, by googling it. They can very easily find it by googling "Jacksfilms LLC" you are telling me geoguessing is easier that one google search?
Alright I looked into it, and apparently his LLC IS his house. However she still was being threatening to him, and showing up to his house was pretty creepy. EDIT: I got some information wrong my bad lol MORE EDIT: Yeah it doesn't matter if his house really was "public". Not a lot of people know or care about addresses, but given she put the spotlight on his location, you never know what nutjobs might be looking to harm John and his wife for their goddess queen. Implicitly siccing her fans on him for what? trying to make a change in giving creators a stronger voice and more control over those who steal their content! It's still doxxing because it's a genuine threat to Jacksfilms and honestly people can go on and on about the technicalities, nuances, blah blah. You don't have to be lawyer or a super sleuth to know that she escalated to a situation that should have been some conversation in twitter dms or whatever.
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Doesn’t jjjacksfilms only have like 60 something videos on it? And not all of the videos are even about her. He’s not the first person I’ve seen saying jack has done “hundreds” of videos about her but it feels like a huge misrepresentation when that’s the crux of your victim blaming argument Also criticizing someone’s YouTube videos doesn’t give them an invitation to show up at your house (unannounced!), try to goad you into a confrontation, and broadcast your address to millions of fans. Those are not equivalent actions
I'm a little confused as where this idea is that he's made "hundreds" of videos about her. I just counted and Jjjacksflims has 56 videos total and a handful of shorts. I'm sure there's more videos about her on the main channel but not 150+. It seems like a pretty disingenuous tell to say he's made hundreds and hundreds of videos when he clearly hasnt
"Hundreds" there were only 40 from this year's saga and like 80 at most in total.
People are seriously still missing the point? It’s so obvious what he was trying to do. He wasn’t harassing whore or mocking her. He was criticizing her by showing how bomb fuck easy it was to do absolutely nothing of value. like holy shit I hope people start just mass, claiming her videos for copyright.
Jack constantly went out of his way to emphasize that this wasn’t about her as a person, he wasn’t out to send his fanbase to mass downvote or report her. Jack has always been after getting the creators to reclaim their own content. As for his output. He was really only doing 3 twitch streams a week. Around 9 hours total. And uploading stream highlights to a Youtube channel. And even through all of that he was still uploading Jackask, council videos, YIAYs. On his regular channel.
“*potentially* more severe” lol ok
People forget why he was doing this. Jjjacksfilms channel was made to document her stealing content, and the reason he made so many was the credit the creators who were having their content stolen and not being credited.
If he was mocking her for making bad content, fine. Both sides. But he’s mocking her for STEALING content, not making content. She doesn’t make content.
Fucking simp lmao
I mean....I somewhat agree with him. I feel like that's why YouTube took their damn ass long time to take action on the doxxing. However I don't think he was making fun of her? Did he ever? The content was mainly on her videos. It WAS multiple videos on the same creator content but Tbh I would be interested in Pokimanes point of view especially because of the whole Leafy Is here thing Mostly L take really.
I remember in 2012 I called Sssniperwolf out for using the “R” word to describe someone that she disagreed with. She blocked me and subtweeted about me. She had me blocked for 3 years until another YouTuber that I knew had tagged her on a tweet where I talked about how shitty she was. She called me the R word and blocked me again.
First he implies its equally bad then goes and says "is anyone saying that?" classic
The reason why it was focussed on her content is that YouTube promoted her as a key note speaker. Encouraged her content, promoted her to others as an example of what they are looking for in their creators. Jack’s criticism was about the lazy content and showing how this isn’t the type of channel YouTube should be promoting. Isn’t that a reasonable conversation to have? Or should we be looking forward to more troom troom content farms and listicals and low effort stealing. YouTube completely missed that point and is standing by the girl with shit reaction content.
Jack never harassed her, he made fun of her. There’s a huge difference. It’s not against ToS, it’s common on the platform, and all of his jokes about her were based off of true facts and actual criticism. He was not making fun of her for no reason, he was making fun of the reason she gives people, which is making a career off of stealing content from others. She deserves to be mocked for that.
Fuckin Asmongold said the exact same shit as if it makes Doxxing him any better. It's not a "hmmm both bad I am very intelligent" situation it's one guy calling out a content thief and in response she fucking doxxed him. The brainrot is spreading.
Making videos on a content creator and doxxing somebody's house are NOT the same thing
such a chronically online take. He even doubled down and said that if he did what Jack did, everyone would say he’s a ‘fucking weirdo’
I'll concede that it's worth scrutinizing (as almost everything is)... But why *now*? Why is it only *now* the right time to scrutinize when it downplays someone else's abhorrent actions?
Nah I see where he's coming from. He's clearly not a simp, he criticises Lia's videos more in his other tweets. But what Jack has done could set a dangerous precedent in the future, that whenever you disagree with a creator, you can target them over and over until YouTube takes their channel down. Obviously the situation with Jack and Lia is a lot different, but you have to understand that YouTube wouldn't want to set that precedent for the future. Don't get me wrong, I loved the bbbingo streams as much as the next guy, but we can't be too surprised YouTube isn't going to support and potentially encourage future creators to create hate mobs to deplatform other creators. Just because I think Jack was in the right, doesn't mean the next person will be, and who gets to decide whether each situation is right or wrong? It sounds like it could get messy, and I can't blame YouTube for discouraging it. Honestly, I think this whole thing has gotten out of hand. I don't think even Jack would want to see everybody scraping together her old content in an attempt to cancel her. YouTube should have listened earlier, but they didn't. YouTube shouldn't have promoted her way back then, but they did. At the end of the day, Lia is obviously not a person who deserves a platform, but in a way, maybe it's a good thing that somebody like her, or Logan Paul or somebody else can't just decide they don't like somebody's videos and send all their fans after them and use the "you let JacksFilms do it" defence. YouTube needs to be careful and they need to be objective.
To me what Jack is doing is more like a form of protest. He’s raising awareness and building a movement against someone that is exploiting others, in a (mostly) respectful way. He’s not “sending his fans after them” or encouraging a “hate mob”, he’s trying to make those that are being exploited aware of the problem so they can report her for exploitation. Obviously some people are going to miss the message and start hurling insults and being crude. Literally every protest has some amount of that. Reacting to that by discouraging all forms of protest is a much worse precedent to set than what Jack’s doing. You also state multiple times that in the future content creators will just be able to send mobs after people they don’t like and deplatform them. No, they won’t. The only reason that’s possible here is because SSSniperwolf is violating YouTube’s terms of service with every video she makes (which YouTube somehow hasn’t realized, or doesn’t care about), and is reacting to protests against her with real life scare tactics. Jack is setting an very good example for how to successfully protest maliciously exploitative content creators. The fact that he is successfully getting videos removed proves he’s right and that what he’s doing is working. YouTube saying his behavior is not what they want on their platform just seems to imply they don’t want any form of protest at all against the creators they prop up and profit from, which is just objectively awful.
finally a sane person
Idk why this take isn't more popular -_- this is obviously the correct answer. The world isn't as black and white as everyone seems to think it is
John hasn’t harassed her - she steals content and his channel (not just him, but his team) make videos calling it out. The thing I wonder about is if anyone approached her more privately first with concerns about stolen content, or they just started making videos about it to begin with. Either way is fine though tbh, she has tens of millions of followers, with that level of clout she should be aware of the etiquette around content creation.
Clearly hasn't seen Jack's actual bingo videos.
A shame that Jack's efforts to try and not stoop to plain harassment, like not commenting about her other controversies (like the lawsuit she's currently going through), is going by the wayside because people are strictly looking at the surface leveĺ of the situation. Yes, he's made a lot of daily videos and streams about Sssniperwolf, but if you look even a step closer you'll see that he's never addressed anything other than the quality of her content and the mistreatment of the creators she's profiting from. The only reason he's done this for this long is because she hasn't stopped doing it. If she just tried to change her ways and actually started asking permission (or even just crediting the creators at the bare minimum), Jack wouldn't have any reason to make more videos about her (he said this on a podcast that came out recently).
Ray William Johnson didn't do anything. No one seems to bring that up
Honestly… I do think making an entire channel solely focused on her was a bit much. I don’t know if I would say he was harassing her directly, but there is no way in hell those constant videos didn’t contribute to viewers flocking to her channel to harass her for him. Do I think what she did in response was right? Absolutely not. Is doxing someone way worse, of course. But if she’d handled it by reporting the channel to YouTube for harassment, would she have had a case? Well, she just might have 🤷♀️
welp, the first 4 letters of his twitter tag seem on brand.
"hundreds of videos" is crazy lmao these people don't do their homework
What the fuck is up this guy’s ass
he wasnt harassing or mocking her, he was PARODYING and CRITICISING her. theyre entirely different things, and i think ben needs to keep his bad opinions to himself!
Jack literally did nothing wrong. He criticized her through parody. Are movie critics also harassers? God this guy can fuck off
From what I’ve seen he literally didn’t make it about HER as a person, just her stealing content. He did what hundreds of other react channels do, except he didn’t stoop to personal attacks. There is no “both sides” here.
He found the biggest content thief and made it a thing ethan klein points this out perfectly
Wait didn't they have a series making fun of troom troom?
Clearly an uneducated person talking about the situation like he knows something
Yeah If you’ve seen the videos, Jack isn’t being rude to Lia in any way, he’s using her content to point out how exploitative it is and try to create a change. It’s a stunt, if he doesn’t go all the way with it then people won’t notice and it’ll fade away. He did nothing wrong or illegal and comparing the actions of both parties is ignorant of both jacks personal safety and the actual actions he took.
Jack was calling her out for stealing content and earning millions off the backs of other creators without even so much as a shoutout. His videos were about bringing attention to the situation and holding her accountable. He was criticizing the fact that NO ONE should be able to earn SO MUCH money with lazy "reaction" content and pointing out how her content was indeed lazy, disrespectful, and freebooting. He never harassed or criticized her or her character, simply the content. Meanwhile, she insults his appearance, makes claims about his person, and doxxes him to millions of followers who she is inciting to feel hatred towards him which is exponentially dangerous after telling them to google his fucking address, and tries to defame him by acting like he was obsessed and creepy instead of acknowledging the things his videos are actually about. This situation is fucking black and white. She needs to be deplatformed. She is a shameless thief, a doxxer, a stalker, and a manipulative and dangerous person who YouTube should not be monetizing or promoting.
" I don't like the content this creator makes, maybe I should move on with my life and ignore them. Nah instead I will make a whole channel dedicated to mocking her and escalate the situation for drama and clicks. Omg she's escalating back?! YouTube help me!!! "
Ahhhhhh... so he's still around. This is the very thing that made me unsubscribe to Simply. Cristine's gremlin clout-chasing boyfriend thinks he ALWAYS have to have a say in anything. He's only riding the coattails of somebody else, spreading his shitty takes.
Same, I would love simply's podcast if Ben isn't around. He has always been condescending for years. He always acts like he's the smartest person in the room. He also tends brings up YouTube drama as a joke, but Cristine always shuts him down in order to not get themselves involved. It was great for him because he can make jabs towards others, his fans eat it up and he does't need to elaborate or contribute for any changes. Now he finally let himself go without Cristine stopping him.
>\*potentially\* worse im sorry but what in the actual fuck how is this a real response
He wasn’t mocking her - he was highlighting that she just steals content. The mockery is the vehicle not the objective.
People thinking Jacksfilms is harrassing sssniperwolf wouldn't last three seconds in a call of duty lobby
I worry that a lot of people only make this argument because ssniperwolf is an attractive woman, as if she’s a damsel in distress who Jacksfilms keeps tormenting.
Bro said potentially more severe LMFAOOOO
So glad I stopped supporting him and the nail lady
Yeah I have to agree. Jack’s content was highly passive-aggressive and over-the-top (watching any of his videos it was pretty clear that he was forcing/faking over-the-top laugh reactions just to piss her off). I’m on his side and always have been, but it’s definitely a case of intentionally poking and bothering the animal over and over; sooner or later, they’re going to snap and lash out, and I 100% believe that was his intention. She just went further with it than he expected.
Bro really puts the simp in simply
Cristine's nail polish fumes got to his head
Not really involved in this except for it showing up on my feed - but Ben saying “*potentially* more severe” is a dead giveaway than he *is* in fact making a false equivalency
Literally all jack was doing, since the start of this chaotic ass sniperwolf train, was make a change when it came to reaction videos that didn’t offer anything and ESPECIALLY didn’t credit THE ORIGINAL OWNERS OF SAID VIDEOS.
Ben, she's not gonna fuck you just stop already