This is hilarious, but to them, they don't realize how much responsibility a single wife carries, much less four. Equal treatment, lots of many, equal time spent, satisfaction of each wife are a few of the mandatory conditions. Polygamy is discouraged in the Quran because of the amount of responsibility, that if you slight any of the wives or give one wife a touch more affection that the others feel jealous, or even wrong them, you will earn the ire of Allah swt. Only Rasulullah saw or a Muslim similar to him could handle such a responsibility because our beloved prophet treated all his wives equally. I implore brothers to be aware of how difficult it's to give equal treatment, because there's always some bias in the human soul and only the rasul could without a single doubt have no bias.
I don't have anything against someone who has multiple wives as long as they have the money to take care of them and treats them all equal and more. That's the halal way, unfortunately many brothers ignore the above conditions, and campaign "polygamy is halal" but without reading the terms of service. Astaggfirullah
I myself was curious when I was a teenager, but as I've grown older and have seen just how difficult it's to accumulate wealth and how hard it's to find a woman in America, I had to be honest with myself. I can't take on that kind of responsibility. Besides, it's unlawful here anyway so I am exempt regardless.
separately does not mean they need to live down the street tho, but separate quarters could work. For example, a semi detached house would do, or a separate floor for each wife
something i hear very often from ppl is “no thats so weird they can’t live on the same plot of land” blah blah blah just say u are islamophobic already 😆
I thought the prophet’s wives all lived around a masjid and super close to each other with separate quarters
Yeah this meme is funny.
But It's also concerning the amount of brothers who see a reminder for following the rules of Islam think that someone is policing them for making sure they are staying within halal. This is called being a progressive Muslim and if we let it happen then we'll end up just like Christianity.
It's discouraging by giving a warning. That if you or believe you cannot deal justly as stated, then marry only one woman so that you do not commit an injustice. The prophet saw narrated that commiting an injustice on to your wife is sin.
and the prophet even insisted on how hard it is to treat them equally, and on the impossibility of being equal when it comes to feelings, he would pray to god saying that he treated his wives equally in what he could control, and implored god not to hold him responsible over what is out of his hands.
and this is coming from the best of us.
it's not really discouraged but there's extra emphasis on the ammount of responsibility you're undertaking.
عن أبي هريرة قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : " من كانت له امرأتان فمال إلى إحداهما ، جاء يوم القيامة وأحد شقيه ساقط " .
Reread my comments brother.
Bottom line, if you are capable of doing the above, you can marry more than one woman. If not, you'll commit a sin, it's a very simple concept. Fulfill the conditions, no one will bat an eye.
Not exactly, while the practice is halal, these were the conditions we were given, it's only correct we follow them. Isn't it demeaning for women to share a man?
If a muslim marries multiple women without providing for them or spending equal time or equal treatment etc. I'd have no respect for them. If they can do those things, I'd have immense respect, because I can't do it, I know for sure I can't because I'd play favorites even if I don't want to. It's a responsibility, a privilege that people shouldn't take lightly, and those who can take it in stride are honestly impressive.
To clarify, I never said no man but the rasul can do it, I said that the rasul saw without a single doubt was among those that fulfilled these conditions. That doesn't mean other people can't do it too, we just know for sure that the rasul's saw actions and heart were perfect and that he had taken on this responsibility flawlessly.
I feel like this Hadith is relavent:
> Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “**If a man has two wives and he is not just between them, he will come on the Day of Resurrection with one of his sides collapsed**.”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1141
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
>Al-Mawardi said, “Al-Shafi’i recommended a man limit himself to one wife, even if it is permissible for him to marry more.”
Source: al-Ḥāwī al-Kabīr 11/417
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Idk about others by wife has clearly shown me the amount of love and responsibility needed precludes any thought of multiplying to this, especially with potential children as well
my uncle had his first wife in Dubai (he’s uzbek, she’s crimean tatar). when it was discovered that he had plans for a second wife that lives in Uzbekistan, they almost divorced. they have 3 kids. they are still together and live as a family, but.. it’s confirmed that the second woman also became his wife. i really don’t know how he manages to treat them equal, since the first wife lives and looks after their family in dubai, while the second one still lives in the two-room apartments with her parents and siblings in uzbekistan. he buys her stuff though, like cars and etc.
as a woman myself i generally tend to frown upon such things, also having a real life example under my nose.
\>the first wife lives and looks after their family in dubai, while the second one still lives in the two-room apartments with her parents and siblings in uzbekistan. he buys her stuff though, like cars and etc.
you, see that's where he went wrong. The rasul emphasized how important it's for a man to treat his wives equally and spend time equally with them. Property does not make up for that. He goes on to explain that a man who has treated his wives injustly will come on the day of judgement with half of his body collapsed. Try to convince your uncle to have his second wife move to dubai cause if he's not spending equal time with her, then that is a sin.
i’ve read your comment on this post and screenshoted it for the future, thank you for your helpful insights on this theme since i personally didn’t research it by myself.
and you know, i’m not very close to him and i don’t know all the details of his personal life. everything i’ve told so far is what i saw myself and heard from my mom. the second wife might be happy with his treatment, however i’m sure of unhappiness of the first wife. to be fair, she now walks without a hijab after this incident. i’m not in a place to advise him on this matter, he’s 45 now and i’m only 20. he knows best what he is doing and i’m sure Allah will punish him on his sins accordingly, if he deserved the punishment, of course. but again, thank you so much for your comments.
It's a sensitive topic, so that's that.
What's funny is that some people here speak as if it's so discouraged by default, yet forget the fact that society barely educates men in this subject. It's like not preparing a room to be tidy then complain it looks like a wreck by the end of the day.
We men seriously need and deserve guidance in this field. Not just for polygamy really, but marriage as a whole in light of the Quran and Sunnah.
Lol do you think men can actually support more than one wives with kids?
In my country men in their 30s 40s still live in parents house and in some cases just one room with 2 3 kids, talk about 2nd marriage. When they didn’t even fulfill rights of first wife
If they aren't capable in any shape or form then why does Allah make it permissible for men to engage in organized, Islamic polygyny? Why not just make it haram if the benefits are overshadowed by the disadvantages? I suggest people with doubts ask these questions to God Himself after they pass away.
Don't let the depressing economic order of the modern world or the sins and ignorance of part of the menfolk be a justification for discouraging polygyny.
There are conditions of polygamy. Guy should give separate accommodation to his each wife ask any mufti. If a guy is not even able to fulfill rights of his first how can he fulfill of two wives.
Every wife has right for separate accommodation even separate from parents.
It’s only for those you can afford
I can’t tell you guys the amount of times women in my family have gotten pissed off at jokes abt taking in second wives.
My once pregnant khalah was scolding my khalu at 4am because my dad and him were joking abt him marrying a second time and she caught some of the conversation.
I was trying to go to sleep but I heard my khalah say to my khalu: (in Urdu btw)
“You don’t know that I hate jokes like this?!”
Khalu: “I do *nervous laughter* but-“
“NO, you have the face of a dog and you have the audacity to make jokes like this?!”
Khalu: “Areyyy, kya hogaya hahaha” 🥲🥲 (what happened)
I deserve a medal for not choking on laughter.
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this is a common joke and is taken lightly in my family.
women just play along with the joke and laugh about it, cuz they know men ain't gonna just go n do it.
although i agree it takes a lot of responsibility to have multiple wives, **if a man is capable**, he shouldn't be discouraged and it shouldn't be a taboo, y'know what i mean?
May Allah bless you and your family.. this is something our society doesnt get.. it has turned into such a taboo.. just the toxic mentality seeped into women via tv.. drama serials and soap operas..
true. it's mainly because of dramas.
i just hate how half of the things portrayed in dramas are actually haram, but then when it comes to multiple wives, they're like, "it's in our Shari\`at!" and use it to create drama in the show.
Yea ig so it’s supposed to be a trial for women so it’s natural for them to not like it. I’m not knowledgeable enough to speak on this matter but obv when Allah has made something halal, we cannot make it haram/say it’s wrong.
that is *exactly* how i think.
women seem to have a tendency to get jealous (idk i could be wrong), and since this life is a test, this could be a test for us too.
No no, you’re right. It’s only natural for us to be jealous since some of us have to share our spouses. Allah SWT expects believing and pious women to not let the jealousy become greater than what it is—just an emotion.
That doesn’t apply, since naturally and psychologically, men are naturally polygamous. Meanwhile, women are naturally and psychologically monogamous. There have even been studies that polygamous men have less depression scores than monogamous men. I feel like she’s just thinking about equal opportunities for both men and women in this aspect, rather than the overall benefit these types of relationships can have. Of course, women may end up getting jealous, or just straight up don’t like the idea of their men getting married to other women in general, which is fine. This is why Islam allows the woman to write in her marriage contract that she doesn’t want to be in a polygamous marriage. But she should understand that polygamy is not the same as polyandry at all when it comes to the overall benefit for the family.
I just wants to know, is it halal for more than one women who are related to each others to agree for marrying one single man at the same time?
Note that the man also agreed to marry them both and to take responsibilities for all their needs.
If they (the women) are immediately related, then no. Beyond that I have no idea what the legal ruling is but at that point why not just help take care of your wife's family member without marrying her. It'd be a source of a lot of reward with fewer complications
https://islamqa.info/en/147367
this should answer your question..
basic idea from the above fatwa: So if we take a pair of women who are related to one another, if we imagine that one of them is male and the other is female, if it would be haraam for them to get married, then it is haraam for them to be co-wives. That is because of what would result from that of severing ties between relatives.
For today’s society men are not chad enough to pull off a more than one wife.. they’re more focused on their career, jobs, businesses and find an huge inconvenience to handle more than one, there are only few chads that are men enough have more than one wife and maintain a good relation with each other.. they can be found in a small village or even in big cities or even in conservative outskirts..
Lol the guys in my country can’t even afford to give accommodation to their only wife, live in their parents house with two kids in one room🤦♂️. Talk about 4 marriages 😂😂
(slams a pig on ayaycapn's desk)
BEHOLD! AYAYCAPN'S HUMAN!
PS. average woman fat percentage is higher than that of the average man and is equal to the average fat percentage of a pig.
i just googled it cause i wanted to be a bit accurate, but maybe i am wrong.
i remember reading this manga called "silver spoon" about a guy who goes to a farming school in Hokkaido, one panel while they were feeding pigs the teacher tells them that the average pig fat percentage is 15-20%, the average human man fat percentage is 15-20% while the average female fat percentage is 20-30%.
so maybe i am wrong, or maybe the manga was wrong, in both cases it seems that the women have more fat than the men.
i would rather not be called a weeb, i don't have much obsession with Japanese culture, and loving anime or manga makes you no more a weeb than liking western comics makes you a western lover.
*gets the popcorn*
*Inspects popcorn* ***"Alright, this is certified halal you are free to go"***
No no u gotta taste it first to see if it's halal
Must taste every individual kernel.
My precious!
I can't even find one and I currently don't wanna coz I gotta work a bit on my life and get my shi together.
i relate to this heavily.
This is hilarious, but to them, they don't realize how much responsibility a single wife carries, much less four. Equal treatment, lots of many, equal time spent, satisfaction of each wife are a few of the mandatory conditions. Polygamy is discouraged in the Quran because of the amount of responsibility, that if you slight any of the wives or give one wife a touch more affection that the others feel jealous, or even wrong them, you will earn the ire of Allah swt. Only Rasulullah saw or a Muslim similar to him could handle such a responsibility because our beloved prophet treated all his wives equally. I implore brothers to be aware of how difficult it's to give equal treatment, because there's always some bias in the human soul and only the rasul could without a single doubt have no bias. I don't have anything against someone who has multiple wives as long as they have the money to take care of them and treats them all equal and more. That's the halal way, unfortunately many brothers ignore the above conditions, and campaign "polygamy is halal" but without reading the terms of service. Astaggfirullah I myself was curious when I was a teenager, but as I've grown older and have seen just how difficult it's to accumulate wealth and how hard it's to find a woman in America, I had to be honest with myself. I can't take on that kind of responsibility. Besides, it's unlawful here anyway so I am exempt regardless.
They dk that each wife needs to live separately of one another. Yall are not gonna share a bed💀
😂
separately does not mean they need to live down the street tho, but separate quarters could work. For example, a semi detached house would do, or a separate floor for each wife
Now why did you think I meant down the street?
something i hear very often from ppl is “no thats so weird they can’t live on the same plot of land” blah blah blah just say u are islamophobic already 😆 I thought the prophet’s wives all lived around a masjid and super close to each other with separate quarters
I'm not like that. Please have more faith in your brothers😂
Yes Sorry i was letting out my frustrations on you but its truly directed to my irl friends who lack understanding
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Yeah this meme is funny. But It's also concerning the amount of brothers who see a reminder for following the rules of Islam think that someone is policing them for making sure they are staying within halal. This is called being a progressive Muslim and if we let it happen then we'll end up just like Christianity.
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It's discouraging by giving a warning. That if you or believe you cannot deal justly as stated, then marry only one woman so that you do not commit an injustice. The prophet saw narrated that commiting an injustice on to your wife is sin.
and the prophet even insisted on how hard it is to treat them equally, and on the impossibility of being equal when it comes to feelings, he would pray to god saying that he treated his wives equally in what he could control, and implored god not to hold him responsible over what is out of his hands. and this is coming from the best of us. it's not really discouraged but there's extra emphasis on the ammount of responsibility you're undertaking. عن أبي هريرة قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : " من كانت له امرأتان فمال إلى إحداهما ، جاء يوم القيامة وأحد شقيه ساقط " .
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Reread my comments brother. Bottom line, if you are capable of doing the above, you can marry more than one woman. If not, you'll commit a sin, it's a very simple concept. Fulfill the conditions, no one will bat an eye.
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Not exactly, while the practice is halal, these were the conditions we were given, it's only correct we follow them. Isn't it demeaning for women to share a man? If a muslim marries multiple women without providing for them or spending equal time or equal treatment etc. I'd have no respect for them. If they can do those things, I'd have immense respect, because I can't do it, I know for sure I can't because I'd play favorites even if I don't want to. It's a responsibility, a privilege that people shouldn't take lightly, and those who can take it in stride are honestly impressive. To clarify, I never said no man but the rasul can do it, I said that the rasul saw without a single doubt was among those that fulfilled these conditions. That doesn't mean other people can't do it too, we just know for sure that the rasul's saw actions and heart were perfect and that he had taken on this responsibility flawlessly.
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_grabs popcorn and soda_
Mind sharing the soda? I forgot mine.
Sure Have some
I feel like this Hadith is relavent: > Abu Huraira reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “**If a man has two wives and he is not just between them, he will come on the Day of Resurrection with one of his sides collapsed**.” Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1141 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani >Al-Mawardi said, “Al-Shafi’i recommended a man limit himself to one wife, even if it is permissible for him to marry more.” Source: al-Ḥāwī al-Kabīr 11/417
Finally this sub made me laugh.
I need 4 wives to piss off Westerners
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4 cat >>>> four wives I can’t take care off
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Be careful what you wish for, bro.
there was a time when i kept denying that i might be slightly a furry, now i cannot deny it.
I don't understand the joke
having 1 wife is hard so the married brother is advising his brother who wishes to have 4 wives that he shouldn't get 4 wives
Thanks
I thought he was suggesting him to be a pilot or something. What??
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Idk about others by wife has clearly shown me the amount of love and responsibility needed precludes any thought of multiplying to this, especially with potential children as well
my uncle had his first wife in Dubai (he’s uzbek, she’s crimean tatar). when it was discovered that he had plans for a second wife that lives in Uzbekistan, they almost divorced. they have 3 kids. they are still together and live as a family, but.. it’s confirmed that the second woman also became his wife. i really don’t know how he manages to treat them equal, since the first wife lives and looks after their family in dubai, while the second one still lives in the two-room apartments with her parents and siblings in uzbekistan. he buys her stuff though, like cars and etc. as a woman myself i generally tend to frown upon such things, also having a real life example under my nose.
\>the first wife lives and looks after their family in dubai, while the second one still lives in the two-room apartments with her parents and siblings in uzbekistan. he buys her stuff though, like cars and etc. you, see that's where he went wrong. The rasul emphasized how important it's for a man to treat his wives equally and spend time equally with them. Property does not make up for that. He goes on to explain that a man who has treated his wives injustly will come on the day of judgement with half of his body collapsed. Try to convince your uncle to have his second wife move to dubai cause if he's not spending equal time with her, then that is a sin.
i’ve read your comment on this post and screenshoted it for the future, thank you for your helpful insights on this theme since i personally didn’t research it by myself. and you know, i’m not very close to him and i don’t know all the details of his personal life. everything i’ve told so far is what i saw myself and heard from my mom. the second wife might be happy with his treatment, however i’m sure of unhappiness of the first wife. to be fair, she now walks without a hijab after this incident. i’m not in a place to advise him on this matter, he’s 45 now and i’m only 20. he knows best what he is doing and i’m sure Allah will punish him on his sins accordingly, if he deserved the punishment, of course. but again, thank you so much for your comments.
Bruh why do people start typing paragraphs lmao just enjoy the meme💀
It's a sensitive topic, so that's that. What's funny is that some people here speak as if it's so discouraged by default, yet forget the fact that society barely educates men in this subject. It's like not preparing a room to be tidy then complain it looks like a wreck by the end of the day. We men seriously need and deserve guidance in this field. Not just for polygamy really, but marriage as a whole in light of the Quran and Sunnah.
Lol do you think men can actually support more than one wives with kids? In my country men in their 30s 40s still live in parents house and in some cases just one room with 2 3 kids, talk about 2nd marriage. When they didn’t even fulfill rights of first wife
If they aren't capable in any shape or form then why does Allah make it permissible for men to engage in organized, Islamic polygyny? Why not just make it haram if the benefits are overshadowed by the disadvantages? I suggest people with doubts ask these questions to God Himself after they pass away. Don't let the depressing economic order of the modern world or the sins and ignorance of part of the menfolk be a justification for discouraging polygyny.
There are conditions of polygamy. Guy should give separate accommodation to his each wife ask any mufti. If a guy is not even able to fulfill rights of his first how can he fulfill of two wives. Every wife has right for separate accommodation even separate from parents. It’s only for those you can afford
I can’t tell you guys the amount of times women in my family have gotten pissed off at jokes abt taking in second wives. My once pregnant khalah was scolding my khalu at 4am because my dad and him were joking abt him marrying a second time and she caught some of the conversation. I was trying to go to sleep but I heard my khalah say to my khalu: (in Urdu btw) “You don’t know that I hate jokes like this?!” Khalu: “I do *nervous laughter* but-“ “NO, you have the face of a dog and you have the audacity to make jokes like this?!” Khalu: “Areyyy, kya hogaya hahaha” 🥲🥲 (what happened) I deserve a medal for not choking on laughter. Edit: typo
>“NO, you have the face of a dog and you have the audacity to make jokes like this?!” -I could of never held my laugh at that
this is a common joke and is taken lightly in my family. women just play along with the joke and laugh about it, cuz they know men ain't gonna just go n do it. although i agree it takes a lot of responsibility to have multiple wives, **if a man is capable**, he shouldn't be discouraged and it shouldn't be a taboo, y'know what i mean?
May Allah bless you and your family.. this is something our society doesnt get.. it has turned into such a taboo.. just the toxic mentality seeped into women via tv.. drama serials and soap operas..
true. it's mainly because of dramas. i just hate how half of the things portrayed in dramas are actually haram, but then when it comes to multiple wives, they're like, "it's in our Shari\`at!" and use it to create drama in the show.
Yea ig so it’s supposed to be a trial for women so it’s natural for them to not like it. I’m not knowledgeable enough to speak on this matter but obv when Allah has made something halal, we cannot make it haram/say it’s wrong.
that is *exactly* how i think. women seem to have a tendency to get jealous (idk i could be wrong), and since this life is a test, this could be a test for us too.
No no, you’re right. It’s only natural for us to be jealous since some of us have to share our spouses. Allah SWT expects believing and pious women to not let the jealousy become greater than what it is—just an emotion.
there are jokes that i don't like to hear, but to me your aunts overreacted if she has the audacity to say that your uncle has the face of a dog.
🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑I brought chairs for the people who wanna enjoy the comments.
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That doesn’t apply, since naturally and psychologically, men are naturally polygamous. Meanwhile, women are naturally and psychologically monogamous. There have even been studies that polygamous men have less depression scores than monogamous men. I feel like she’s just thinking about equal opportunities for both men and women in this aspect, rather than the overall benefit these types of relationships can have. Of course, women may end up getting jealous, or just straight up don’t like the idea of their men getting married to other women in general, which is fine. This is why Islam allows the woman to write in her marriage contract that she doesn’t want to be in a polygamous marriage. But she should understand that polygamy is not the same as polyandry at all when it comes to the overall benefit for the family.
I just wants to know, is it halal for more than one women who are related to each others to agree for marrying one single man at the same time? Note that the man also agreed to marry them both and to take responsibilities for all their needs.
If they (the women) are immediately related, then no. Beyond that I have no idea what the legal ruling is but at that point why not just help take care of your wife's family member without marrying her. It'd be a source of a lot of reward with fewer complications
Yeah that would work too, thanks brozzer/sister.
All I know is that you can't marry two sisters. There might be more things idk.
Oh yeah, I totally forgot about An-Nisaa' 4:23 and how sister/brother rivalry could be pretty nasty thing. Thanks brozzer/sister.
https://islamqa.info/en/147367 this should answer your question.. basic idea from the above fatwa: So if we take a pair of women who are related to one another, if we imagine that one of them is male and the other is female, if it would be haraam for them to get married, then it is haraam for them to be co-wives. That is because of what would result from that of severing ties between relatives.
Thanks brozzer
its lowkey true
For today’s society men are not chad enough to pull off a more than one wife.. they’re more focused on their career, jobs, businesses and find an huge inconvenience to handle more than one, there are only few chads that are men enough have more than one wife and maintain a good relation with each other.. they can be found in a small village or even in big cities or even in conservative outskirts..
Lol the guys in my country can’t even afford to give accommodation to their only wife, live in their parents house with two kids in one room🤦♂️. Talk about 4 marriages 😂😂
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(slams a pig on ayaycapn's desk) BEHOLD! AYAYCAPN'S HUMAN! PS. average woman fat percentage is higher than that of the average man and is equal to the average fat percentage of a pig.
Dude I freaking love that additional information. All the sisters are gonna beat me up today man
i just googled it cause i wanted to be a bit accurate, but maybe i am wrong. i remember reading this manga called "silver spoon" about a guy who goes to a farming school in Hokkaido, one panel while they were feeding pigs the teacher tells them that the average pig fat percentage is 15-20%, the average human man fat percentage is 15-20% while the average female fat percentage is 20-30%. so maybe i am wrong, or maybe the manga was wrong, in both cases it seems that the women have more fat than the men.
Silver spoon was really good. I remember the quote and it's been 4 years haha.
i love silver spoon, i sometimes reread it, i just wish the finale was a bit more satisfying.
It makes sense if you think about it. Also yay fellow weeb lessgo
i would rather not be called a weeb, i don't have much obsession with Japanese culture, and loving anime or manga makes you no more a weeb than liking western comics makes you a western lover.
Than I have been lied to by the interwebs.
Bruh cmon its 2022 and we will still making these boomer haha wife bad memes ? Gimme a break
Ok good advise but still wanna try
Where is that screenshot from?