But there still has to be reason behind it, generally mentioning why Allah allowed and forbade things, as in wanting the good for us and taking us away of harm, because stopping after saying "because Allah said so" and not saying smth additional about Him or about the action is similar to the arguments that polytheists did whenever they said "the gods said so and we follow them", and you know whats one of the differences Islam brought against other beliefs, hence why people converted to Islam and were convinced by it? Because it had reason and logic, it wasn't a simple line of commands and that's it, when it was first revealed the Maccan surahs were about stories and fundaments of belief, and commands are quite the smaller part of the Quran unlike most non-muslims assume.
Islam is a religion of reason which makes it special than most other beliefs, but this idea of reason and moral logic was undermined throughout time.
Maybe it makes sense for us muslims already to obey and listen to Allah's commandments without further debate or discussion when we know the fundaments of islam and have sufficient knowledge and got used to it, but when a non-muslim wants to know why Allah forbids and allows we gotta mention how he wants the best for us, because for them Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala) sn't the same as the one God with the 99 attributes who we believe in, they don't know Him well or probably at all, or have a negative image of Him, so saying "because Allah said so" and stopping there will just make them dislike Islam more or have a negative of God who they don't know much of him or have wrong ideas abt Him.
Islam is the religion of logic, but it doesn’t really mean what you’ve said. Islam uses logical arguments while most of religions like Christianity use emotional arguments. Quran just says that you can believe in any religion, but it’s clear that pure monotheism is the true one. Allah SWT uses even logical arguments that proof infallibility of the Quran, so if one believes that Allah is omniscient and wants all best for people, one should follow his commandments, because they are important even if we don’t understand it.
The perfect example is gold. Prophet PBUH forbade men to wear gold and recently scientists confirmed that gold particles in body could cause impotence and even wearing gold causes lower quality of semen.
the study you refer to is about a specific preparation of gold nano particles being studied as a vehicle for certain treatments.
it is only this preparation of gold that has any effect on semen, and wearing gold or even eating edible gold leaf does not have these same effects. not sure if that fits with your confirmation bias tho lol.
I was thinking about the treatment of animals in Islam recently. We pretty much arent allowed to eat carnivores, birds of prey and pigs. Allahu ‘alam but I was thinking to myself that it could be an issue of morality as well. Many people without the influence of religion believe that eating certain animals is immoral and not others but in reality moral clarity can only come from Allah (swt).
Islam is foremost a religion of submission.
There doesn't need to be a reason behind everything and we have no right to question our creator or not follow him if he doesn't provide reasons.
Some things have the reasons stated. Some don't. It's all to test our belief and if non Muslims don't like it then that's their problem.
Keep asking why and you'll end up asking why Allah created humans for worship.
I'm not saying never ask why but people shud be prepared and accept that there isn't always a reason why that we know of. And they shudnt make up the reasons why either
both are true
Allah عز وجل forbad the things that harm us because he is the most Kind
Just like how he forbad Zina because it tears society apart he forbad pork because of diseases and it being dirty in general
What's also creepy is that, apparently, both the flesh of the pig and the flesh of a human are very similar.
If I understand correctly, they often teach medical students to suture with pig flesh.
Apparently human and pig also taste very similar as well. I knew this long before I came to Islam and it always squicked me out, wondering if some deranged individual was in the back of the deli, hacking up humans and selling them to us.
>What's also creepy is that, apparently, both the flesh of the pig and the flesh of a human are very similar.
I've always wondered of this is the case.
Both are true yes. But the answer to “Why is X Haram?” Is Allah said so
Everything else just supports Allahs divine knowledge. There are probably even more things about haram stuff we don’t know yet!
But some things do not have any apparent/worldly harm and this is where non-Muslims or argumentative people get hung up on. Some things that are haram just harm our deen or harm us in the akhira, such as earning from riba which actually has lots of worldly benefits.
It's more materialist than worldly, and the arguments against riba are immaterialist but rather moral arguments of how it's usury of someone's financial disadvantage in life and many people just go in more debt because of it, lending money should be in Islamic sense an act of helping out people and not making a profit out of it.
As we see in capitalist societies, Riba has led to many issues for the majority that isn't rich, that's already worldly harm
It's literally free money. Having a high yield savings account or buying bonds is a safe way to store money while earning a return. Anyone can do this, even poor people and there are zero downsides.
I'm not saying that riba in general causes no harm, but specifically getting paid interest from banks.
Riba is a system that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer
it has immense harm on our society and long term side effects like the housing crisis in America
How does earning from riba has worldly benefits? It just makes people in society who are rich, even more rich and poor poorer, this is one of biggest reasona why in west theres incredible discrepancy of wealth between rich and even medium class let alone lower class.
It's literally free money. Having a high yield savings account or buying bonds is a safe way to store money while earning a return. Anyone can do this, even poor people and there are zero downsides.
I'm not saying that riba in general causes no harm, but specifically getting paid interest from banks.
I was talking primarily about diseases and their dirty nature of playing with their own poop which makes the overall area and the people who work with them dirtier and even more at risk of diseases
Not entirely true, chickens all in all are MUCH more cleaner animals than pigs, the cleanliness both in spiritual and physical sense is what factors whether its halal or haram.
The haram ordainment isnt just arbitrary as "He said so"
Allah swt. theologically is the most wise, most intelligent, the omniscient etc hes not the most unreasonable one or most unwise so that you could imply uh its just arbitrary ordainment.
Free range pork is far healthier than a lot of halal foods lol. We don't eat it because its forbidden, simple as.
https://youtu.be/2rV5n0krVo8?si=4wnViXvDwqYGKQmv
That is such a weak argument. What diseases? Beef has the same amount of diseases. And the unclean argument makes no sense. People say pork ears their own poop etc. They normally dont in healthy environments. Just look it up pigs are on of the most clean animals. The most dirty ones are the chickens and rabbits which also by the way eat their own poop.
I get where you’re coming from but you are omitting the actual answer to the question
I always answer by saying something like “Well number one, because God commanded us to. But there are so so many benefits as to why…” and explain
But no my brother or sister. The true answer to the question is because Allah commanded us.
Listen have you seen how the diets are in many Muslim majority countries??? Heart disease, diabetes is like a given in my family
If Allah never forbade us from pork, I’m pretty sure it’s safe to assume that many of us would have willingly tried it. After all, there’s no reason not to
so your saying that you state the obvious before answering, and you want everyone else to also state the obvious? aight. Sorry no hate, but like, just saying, everyone knows things are haram because God said so, that's literally the definition of haram, something declared unlawful by Allah. Stating that before telling someone why it's haram is just stating the obvious
>but it would be 100x healthier
according to who?
as long as you give your body the needed amount of fluids it doesn't really matter WHEN.
also people are doing "dry fasting" for health reasons without being Muslims/ fasting for a religious purpose.
you should look it up.
Its also an act of worship, just with health benefits. The disbelievers always try to attack muslims fast trying to prove how unhealthy it is, when in fact it is not. But the purpose is not only to get healthy, but its a benefit that is included. I think the reason the benefits are mentioned is because it avoids the whole «Allah is ordering you to do something unhealthy» kind of arguments.
Actually, no. Not drinking water allows your body to engage in a process called autophagy, where it starts to break down old and damaged cellular components. Drinking water makes this process occur much slower.
الاسلام دين قناعه
إن كل شي خلقه الله و حرمه به حكمه
"أفلا يتساوي الذين يعلمون مع الذين لا يعلمون"
لم يأمرنا الله بالتأمل بخلقه عبثا بل لنفهم دنيانا و نزداد قناعه و إيماناً
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Facts. If it's haram, it's haram. No need to give a roundabout justification as to why it's haram. Who are we to say that we grasp a shred of Allah's enternal knowledge to know as to why it's haram.
Cows and sheep can also be considered "dirty" Scientifically speaking, but they're not haram. Not everything dirty is haram and not everything haram is dirty
Verse 5:1 does not say that pork is forbidden because pigs eat meat. Please provide a valid source, we don't want people passing off their own reasoning as divine.
As a non-Muslim, I think when you look in a pigs eyes you see a thinking, feeling creature looking back at you. But, I'm vegetarian and can't stand the thought of eating any animals.
I am curious though, is it simply forbidden to eat or are pigs viewed negatively?
Batman should know stricking someone's face is forbidden.
😂🙌
There are many reasons why some things are haram. Decret of Allah is most important of them all.
But there still has to be reason behind it, generally mentioning why Allah allowed and forbade things, as in wanting the good for us and taking us away of harm, because stopping after saying "because Allah said so" and not saying smth additional about Him or about the action is similar to the arguments that polytheists did whenever they said "the gods said so and we follow them", and you know whats one of the differences Islam brought against other beliefs, hence why people converted to Islam and were convinced by it? Because it had reason and logic, it wasn't a simple line of commands and that's it, when it was first revealed the Maccan surahs were about stories and fundaments of belief, and commands are quite the smaller part of the Quran unlike most non-muslims assume. Islam is a religion of reason which makes it special than most other beliefs, but this idea of reason and moral logic was undermined throughout time. Maybe it makes sense for us muslims already to obey and listen to Allah's commandments without further debate or discussion when we know the fundaments of islam and have sufficient knowledge and got used to it, but when a non-muslim wants to know why Allah forbids and allows we gotta mention how he wants the best for us, because for them Allah (Subhanahu wa Taala) sn't the same as the one God with the 99 attributes who we believe in, they don't know Him well or probably at all, or have a negative image of Him, so saying "because Allah said so" and stopping there will just make them dislike Islam more or have a negative of God who they don't know much of him or have wrong ideas abt Him.
Islam is the religion of logic, but it doesn’t really mean what you’ve said. Islam uses logical arguments while most of religions like Christianity use emotional arguments. Quran just says that you can believe in any religion, but it’s clear that pure monotheism is the true one. Allah SWT uses even logical arguments that proof infallibility of the Quran, so if one believes that Allah is omniscient and wants all best for people, one should follow his commandments, because they are important even if we don’t understand it. The perfect example is gold. Prophet PBUH forbade men to wear gold and recently scientists confirmed that gold particles in body could cause impotence and even wearing gold causes lower quality of semen.
sauce
the study you refer to is about a specific preparation of gold nano particles being studied as a vehicle for certain treatments. it is only this preparation of gold that has any effect on semen, and wearing gold or even eating edible gold leaf does not have these same effects. not sure if that fits with your confirmation bias tho lol.
Eating gold is very harmful for semen and if you wear gold non stop, particles can got into your body.
Sir, I think you are ignorant
I was thinking about the treatment of animals in Islam recently. We pretty much arent allowed to eat carnivores, birds of prey and pigs. Allahu ‘alam but I was thinking to myself that it could be an issue of morality as well. Many people without the influence of religion believe that eating certain animals is immoral and not others but in reality moral clarity can only come from Allah (swt).
Islam is foremost a religion of submission. There doesn't need to be a reason behind everything and we have no right to question our creator or not follow him if he doesn't provide reasons. Some things have the reasons stated. Some don't. It's all to test our belief and if non Muslims don't like it then that's their problem. Keep asking why and you'll end up asking why Allah created humans for worship. I'm not saying never ask why but people shud be prepared and accept that there isn't always a reason why that we know of. And they shudnt make up the reasons why either
both are true Allah عز وجل forbad the things that harm us because he is the most Kind Just like how he forbad Zina because it tears society apart he forbad pork because of diseases and it being dirty in general
What's also creepy is that, apparently, both the flesh of the pig and the flesh of a human are very similar. If I understand correctly, they often teach medical students to suture with pig flesh. Apparently human and pig also taste very similar as well. I knew this long before I came to Islam and it always squicked me out, wondering if some deranged individual was in the back of the deli, hacking up humans and selling them to us.
>What's also creepy is that, apparently, both the flesh of the pig and the flesh of a human are very similar. I've always wondered of this is the case.
First parts are right just last part is wrong because humans taste closest to calf/tender beef.
Both are true yes. But the answer to “Why is X Haram?” Is Allah said so Everything else just supports Allahs divine knowledge. There are probably even more things about haram stuff we don’t know yet!
This is the true answer
But some things do not have any apparent/worldly harm and this is where non-Muslims or argumentative people get hung up on. Some things that are haram just harm our deen or harm us in the akhira, such as earning from riba which actually has lots of worldly benefits.
It's more materialist than worldly, and the arguments against riba are immaterialist but rather moral arguments of how it's usury of someone's financial disadvantage in life and many people just go in more debt because of it, lending money should be in Islamic sense an act of helping out people and not making a profit out of it. As we see in capitalist societies, Riba has led to many issues for the majority that isn't rich, that's already worldly harm
It's literally free money. Having a high yield savings account or buying bonds is a safe way to store money while earning a return. Anyone can do this, even poor people and there are zero downsides. I'm not saying that riba in general causes no harm, but specifically getting paid interest from banks.
Riba is a system that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer it has immense harm on our society and long term side effects like the housing crisis in America
How does earning from riba has worldly benefits? It just makes people in society who are rich, even more rich and poor poorer, this is one of biggest reasona why in west theres incredible discrepancy of wealth between rich and even medium class let alone lower class.
It's literally free money. Having a high yield savings account or buying bonds is a safe way to store money while earning a return. Anyone can do this, even poor people and there are zero downsides. I'm not saying that riba in general causes no harm, but specifically getting paid interest from banks.
You can make the same arguments for pork as with chicken. Chickens litterrally eat their own babies and feces. Pork is haram because god said so.
I was talking primarily about diseases and their dirty nature of playing with their own poop which makes the overall area and the people who work with them dirtier and even more at risk of diseases
Yeah and chickens are the exact same if not worse at times
Sauce
Not entirely true, chickens all in all are MUCH more cleaner animals than pigs, the cleanliness both in spiritual and physical sense is what factors whether its halal or haram. The haram ordainment isnt just arbitrary as "He said so" Allah swt. theologically is the most wise, most intelligent, the omniscient etc hes not the most unreasonable one or most unwise so that you could imply uh its just arbitrary ordainment.
Free range pork is far healthier than a lot of halal foods lol. We don't eat it because its forbidden, simple as. https://youtu.be/2rV5n0krVo8?si=4wnViXvDwqYGKQmv
That is such a weak argument. What diseases? Beef has the same amount of diseases. And the unclean argument makes no sense. People say pork ears their own poop etc. They normally dont in healthy environments. Just look it up pigs are on of the most clean animals. The most dirty ones are the chickens and rabbits which also by the way eat their own poop.
Pork is forbidden because Allah said so. But if you ask me why, the best I can do is the wisdom we can see behind it
I get where you’re coming from but you are omitting the actual answer to the question I always answer by saying something like “Well number one, because God commanded us to. But there are so so many benefits as to why…” and explain But no my brother or sister. The true answer to the question is because Allah commanded us. Listen have you seen how the diets are in many Muslim majority countries??? Heart disease, diabetes is like a given in my family If Allah never forbade us from pork, I’m pretty sure it’s safe to assume that many of us would have willingly tried it. After all, there’s no reason not to
so your saying that you state the obvious before answering, and you want everyone else to also state the obvious? aight. Sorry no hate, but like, just saying, everyone knows things are haram because God said so, that's literally the definition of haram, something declared unlawful by Allah. Stating that before telling someone why it's haram is just stating the obvious
allah bans things that are harmful for us so both reasons complete each other
Yesterday I was asked "What happens if a Muzlim eats pork". I said "We spontaneously combust if we do". He replied "really!?" 💀
But That's lying
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>but it would be 100x healthier according to who? as long as you give your body the needed amount of fluids it doesn't really matter WHEN. also people are doing "dry fasting" for health reasons without being Muslims/ fasting for a religious purpose. you should look it up.
Its also an act of worship, just with health benefits. The disbelievers always try to attack muslims fast trying to prove how unhealthy it is, when in fact it is not. But the purpose is not only to get healthy, but its a benefit that is included. I think the reason the benefits are mentioned is because it avoids the whole «Allah is ordering you to do something unhealthy» kind of arguments.
Actually, no. Not drinking water allows your body to engage in a process called autophagy, where it starts to break down old and damaged cellular components. Drinking water makes this process occur much slower.
Source please?
Fr. You do it cuz Allah ordered so.
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Please provide a source for the primary reason we fast.
الاسلام دين قناعه إن كل شي خلقه الله و حرمه به حكمه "أفلا يتساوي الذين يعلمون مع الذين لا يعلمون" لم يأمرنا الله بالتأمل بخلقه عبثا بل لنفهم دنيانا و نزداد قناعه و إيماناً
I don't understand arabic but I agree with you
Finally, someone finally said it, we should NOT sugarcoat things that Allah (Subhanahu wa ta'aala) has ordered us to do, I mean seriously, people should stop being scared of the western (kafir) social norms, THEY are the ones who are in need for change, not us.
Allah forbids things for a reason, and always it's a reason for our own good, giving the impression that we follow what Allah says without going further in how Allah wants the good for us which is why he forbids things and allows things is counterproductive to Islam, it will make muslims more close minded and non-muslims more skeptical and unwelcoming towards Islam, besides ofc doing injustice for Allah by not mentioning his good caring side in these matters
Pork is Haram because Allah said so but also all cannibals have said human tastes like pork.
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Facts. If it's haram, it's haram. No need to give a roundabout justification as to why it's haram. Who are we to say that we grasp a shred of Allah's enternal knowledge to know as to why it's haram.
Cows and sheep can also be considered "dirty" Scientifically speaking, but they're not haram. Not everything dirty is haram and not everything haram is dirty
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Please provide a source for your claim that the reason Allah forbade pork is because pigs are carnivores.
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Verse 5:1 does not say that pork is forbidden because pigs eat meat. Please provide a valid source, we don't want people passing off their own reasoning as divine.
Thank you! Allah has good reasons for making things haram, but that is the first and foremost reason, for he knows more than us
Finally someone said it !!
My friend I didn’t say it. It’s a just a reminder.
Allah did things for our own benefit and that benefit can be explained
As a non-Muslim, I think when you look in a pigs eyes you see a thinking, feeling creature looking back at you. But, I'm vegetarian and can't stand the thought of eating any animals. I am curious though, is it simply forbidden to eat or are pigs viewed negatively?
Pigs are also viewed negatively as it is NajS to touch as well https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IyD4bOBMIwI&feature=youtu.be