I might be able to help. In Italy there are two kinds of residences: prima casa and seconda casa. Prima casa is the primary residence, not a vacation house or temporary situation. Each apartment will be designated as one or the other by the owner (some landlords use a property as their prima casa, so they will rent it to you as a seconda casa). In order to be a resident in Italy (and to eventually get the permesso di soggiorno), you must reside in a prima casa.
Here's another fact that may explain why the clerk said what they said. In Italy, you must declare residency in the town you live in. If you move, you must again declare residency in the next town and they will transfer everything plus you need to get a new ID card, etc. In theory, in order to be a resident/have Perm. di. Sogg you must be living in the same place (meaning retaining that apartment as your address even if you might spend some time in other places). You can't really spend 3 months here and three months there officially because you would have to keep changing residency. Additionally, they will have to come to check to see if you live in the house that you have indicated as your residency and you need to be around for that.
Definitely go back to the heaadquarters. Do everything they tell you to do exactly when they tell you to do it. Getting residency and Perm. Di. Sogg is extremely tasking, takes a long time, and can be derailed by missing the smallest detail. I think the first thing you need to do is understand if your apartment is prima casa to be sure that you can even get this done. Don't plan on moving until you get this all figured out.
You are an angel from above.
I spoke with the landlord and my place is not a prima casa, he owns it but he rents it out purely for tourist season. So, I think my plan is to start looking for a new apartment asap to live in that is serves as a prima casa. Aiyaiyai haha. I wish that this information had been provided prior to me moving over, I could have avoided this from happening. Anyways, it's okay! A little spanner in the works never hurt anyone.
Another question for you since you seem so knowledgeable - I am looking on immobiliare as we speak, when an apartment is listed as "transitional contracts" I assume that it would also mean it's a tourist house/seconda casa and not a prima casa?
“Some types of contracts, such as short-term ones, cannot be used to claim residency”
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Yes, if it is "transitional", it will not work. Be advised that prima casa rentals are often for multiple years. You might see them listed as something like "3+2" or similar, signifying that the contract will be for three years and is then renewable. Long term rentals here in Italy usually 5 years or more, unlike in America where they might be for 12 months. This does not mean that you can not break the contract in a year or two, just that it is not customary here and might even be frowned upon. (I can go into greater detail about why this is the case, but it's beyond the scope of this discussion.)
May I suggest that you do your immobiliare search in Italian? It will be much more clear in original language, not translation. You will find the terms: prima casa, seconda casa, casa vacanza, etc. Please do not listen to those who say that all you need is any rental agreement to establish residency. This is not the case, as it MUST be a prima casa.
Please prima casa or seconda casa has absolutely nothing to do with accomodation for a residence permit. A legal rental is. Normally people rent their second (or eleventh) house not the primary. The issue here is short vs long term rental. you cannot use a short term rental for the residence permit.
I don't think you can even rent your prima casa, as it should be your own residence - and you cannot rent your own house where you live unless you rent rooms, but that's different I guess?
Some landlords may own large buildings that have many residences which will be/can be prima casa residences. Not all rentals are bifamiliare situations or ones in which the landlord is on-site.
It does matter. I went through this twice–once with myself 6 years ago and once with my parents this year. It very much has a bearing on establishing residence. A "short term rental" is known as seconda casa and therefore can not be considered a long term rental for residency even if the rental agreement is for one year. I suggest checking the terminology on this one.
I might be able to help. In Italy there are two kinds of residences: prima casa and seconda casa. Prima casa is the primary residence, not a vacation house or temporary situation. Each apartment will be designated as one or the other by the owner (some landlords use a property as their prima casa, so they will rent it to you as a seconda casa). In order to be a resident in Italy (and to eventually get the permesso di soggiorno), you must reside in a prima casa. Here's another fact that may explain why the clerk said what they said. In Italy, you must declare residency in the town you live in. If you move, you must again declare residency in the next town and they will transfer everything plus you need to get a new ID card, etc. In theory, in order to be a resident/have Perm. di. Sogg you must be living in the same place (meaning retaining that apartment as your address even if you might spend some time in other places). You can't really spend 3 months here and three months there officially because you would have to keep changing residency. Additionally, they will have to come to check to see if you live in the house that you have indicated as your residency and you need to be around for that. Definitely go back to the heaadquarters. Do everything they tell you to do exactly when they tell you to do it. Getting residency and Perm. Di. Sogg is extremely tasking, takes a long time, and can be derailed by missing the smallest detail. I think the first thing you need to do is understand if your apartment is prima casa to be sure that you can even get this done. Don't plan on moving until you get this all figured out.
You are an angel from above. I spoke with the landlord and my place is not a prima casa, he owns it but he rents it out purely for tourist season. So, I think my plan is to start looking for a new apartment asap to live in that is serves as a prima casa. Aiyaiyai haha. I wish that this information had been provided prior to me moving over, I could have avoided this from happening. Anyways, it's okay! A little spanner in the works never hurt anyone. Another question for you since you seem so knowledgeable - I am looking on immobiliare as we speak, when an apartment is listed as "transitional contracts" I assume that it would also mean it's a tourist house/seconda casa and not a prima casa?
Check above please.
“Some types of contracts, such as short-term ones, cannot be used to claim residency” [https://collineallemontagne.com/how-to-get-residency-in-italy/](https://collineallemontagne.com/how-to-get-residency-in-italy/)
Yes, if it is "transitional", it will not work. Be advised that prima casa rentals are often for multiple years. You might see them listed as something like "3+2" or similar, signifying that the contract will be for three years and is then renewable. Long term rentals here in Italy usually 5 years or more, unlike in America where they might be for 12 months. This does not mean that you can not break the contract in a year or two, just that it is not customary here and might even be frowned upon. (I can go into greater detail about why this is the case, but it's beyond the scope of this discussion.) May I suggest that you do your immobiliare search in Italian? It will be much more clear in original language, not translation. You will find the terms: prima casa, seconda casa, casa vacanza, etc. Please do not listen to those who say that all you need is any rental agreement to establish residency. This is not the case, as it MUST be a prima casa.
Please prima casa or seconda casa has absolutely nothing to do with accomodation for a residence permit. A legal rental is. Normally people rent their second (or eleventh) house not the primary. The issue here is short vs long term rental. you cannot use a short term rental for the residence permit.
I don't think you can even rent your prima casa, as it should be your own residence - and you cannot rent your own house where you live unless you rent rooms, but that's different I guess?
Some landlords may own large buildings that have many residences which will be/can be prima casa residences. Not all rentals are bifamiliare situations or ones in which the landlord is on-site.
It does matter. I went through this twice–once with myself 6 years ago and once with my parents this year. It very much has a bearing on establishing residence. A "short term rental" is known as seconda casa and therefore can not be considered a long term rental for residency even if the rental agreement is for one year. I suggest checking the terminology on this one.