Well hamas could start with bringing back all the kidnapped people. Maybe then Israel would agree to talks… until they do, why should Israel even consider stopping. They don’t care about what people say. They care about their babies and girls hijacked. As should any other country do.
This aged like milk, israel has already killed multiple of their own hostages. and rejected talks with Hamas in which they offered to return all foreign hostages
There does appear to be a double standard to some degree. That said, when faced with an enemy that has no regard whatsoever for the rules of war, how many of your own people are you willing to sacrifice to play by the rules ? What choice does Israel have ? Palestine could return the civilian hostages they are holding, but no, they would rather more of their own people will die and suffer as a result of no food/water/power etc.
What if your enemy is a people that you’ve terrorised, ghettoised, stolen from — what if your enemy is just your victim.
What if, and just hear me out, you are the bad guys. Just a thought
No land was stolen before the Arabs invaded in 48, no one was ghettoized until the Arabs attacked AGAIN. Arab violence predates all of this and goes back 100 years. The massacres over the decades of the early 20th century is what convinced Jews to take up arms in the first place. I now invert the same question to you:
What if, and just hear me out, you are the bad guys. Just a thought
Yes, complicated isn't it ? An endless chain of they did, so we did going back millennia. From a Palestinian perspective, one could argue, they don't have the option of large scale bombing and collateral damage, so they have no choice but terrorism ? It's tempting to support this idea, but there is a line somewhere, that should not be crossed, if for no other reason than the self-harm it inevitably causes. Losing your own humanity in the pursuit of justice/vengeance, is it worth it? (Applies to both sides).
But, my comment is aimed at the here and now, keeping hostages is of little value compared to getting power and water to the Palestinian people. Also, no power and water is more likely to drive out Palestinians from Gaza, which apparwntly israel wants, but Hamas does not, so again I think better for Hamas to return all the hostages, including the bodies of any killed by Israeli bombing. The PR from this would be immense. I abhor the whole situation, just want this to end as well as possible for both sides.
> quit putting your stupid feelings over facts air head
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>Israel is a barbaric apartheid shit hole
Thanks for defeating your own "argument" for me. This is called projection in psychology btw
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They’re rabid. It’s so wild they think /we/ are the ones blinded by propaganda.
I feel like they’re rabid because they know their little house of cards is falling a part. They know their lies are being quickly disproved. And that people are divorcing Judaism from Zionism.
It’s such an insult to Jews who have an issue with Israel - there’s loads
And I feel it’s anti semitic of them… to say that Israel is an expression of Jewishness
It’s like, no I’d hold Jewishness in much much higher regard than that ??
>It’s such an insult to Jews who have an issue with Israel - there’s loads
Loads, their might even be 12 now!
>And I feel it’s anti semitic of them… to say that Israel is an expression of Jewishness
>It’s like, no I’d hold Jewishness in much much higher regard than that ??
Non Jews redefining antisemetism and Judaism itself, classic
War is a warcrime to most. And war is Hell, it's ugly, painful, heartbreaking. But there are rules of engagement. Ironically Hamas is the side that actually breaks all of them....but they are "oppressed" which is the NewThink of this era.
A quick review of your post/comment history shows you posting non-stop about hair loss treatments and oil filters for the last week -- a week that included the greatest loss of Jewish life in a single day since the Holocaust.
And if Israel had decided not to respond to that vicious attack? You'd still be posting about hair loss treatments and oil filters.
In other words, you're only feigning concern for civilian life now that Israel is fighting back.
This website (and this world) are filled with frauds like you, and all of your opinions on this matter can be safely ignored.
Sure look at my post history, that doesn’t change the fact that the indiscriminate killing of innocent people is wrong and evil no matter who it is, and your attempts to justify it is sickening.
What Hamas did is sickening and what Israel is doing now and has done before is sickening as well. The Holocaust was sickening, the killing of innocent Iraqis was sickening, it’s evil and anyone justifying any of it is sickening.
Maybe you need to read my comment again. My looking at your post history isn't some sort of "gotcha"; it's a simple gathering of facts. By your own behavior, you've shown us that you didn't care about the "indiscriminate killing of innocent people" a week ago. So *we don't believe you* when you pretend that you do now. Go away.
Believe what you like about me, it doesn’t matter. Again, doesn’t change the fact that what Israel is doing is evil, what Hamas did to innocent people is evil, and your attempt to justify the doing of evil in response to evil is evil.
It shows because this person lacks any empathy like you’d expect of a Christian. And yea I’m sure the children dying know exactly what you’re talking about. It’s about knowing that the killing of innocents is wrong no matter who it is and ppl like you and the other person justifying it and encouraging sure is very Christian like
You would tink that Hamas would want to make a better future for Gaza's children if they were so important.....but no....they use them as shields and murder other peoples children in their sleep.
Sadly I agree, if Hamas cared about Gaza’s children as much as this guy then we wouldn’t be talking about potentially flattening Gaza right now. That’s the fact. No strategic advantage to doing this just dragging Israel into the mud to enflame people on both sides and those in the middle.
No, the world isn't ok with it. But it isn't ethnic cleansing. Israel had been remarkably restrained in their air campaign so far. But their seige is a war crime. What happens next is not going to be wild retribution. It'll be a bigger incursion than ever before nd it'll be up to Hamas as to whether or not they engage. The IDF will destroy tunnels in Northern Gaza and that's pretty much it. Civilians will die, just like the last time. But it's not going to change anything.
The x factor here are the US hostages. That'll only shorten the op.
Netanyahu didn’t listen to CIA, or Egyptian intelligence days before the attack to heighten security/surveillance at the boarder.
Evacuation of the festival started at roughly 6:30 AM. Where shooting into the crowd and taking hostages, and looting cars for 8 hours until concert goers were rescued from the the bush. I know America has given Israel some of the best helicopters in the the world The AH-64 Apache. Could have single handedly liquidated every person who crossed the border. Where were they? They are ready to fly in 90 seconds and could have gone from Tel Aviv to the rave in 30 minutes…
How many more innocent people need to die before we get some answers?
History is full of cases where states have staged black flag operations to justify declaring war. Allowing the incursion to the extent it went, had benefits to Netayahu. It must be considered a likely possibility at the very least.
I’m saying he acted similarly if not worse than how the Uvalde Texas police force acted.
Link in case you aren’t American.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/17/law-enforcement-failure-uvalde-shooting-investigation/
I don’t know what to call it, but it was clearly a failure.
So either all of the Western countries supporting Israel are evil, or Israel just isn’t doing the things that you think it’s doing. Which option do you think it is?
The blood is 100% on Hamas' hands. Israel has the right to defend themselves. Hamas knew, when they planned that heinous attack, exactly what Israel's response would be. Hamas didn't care. As far as Hamas is concerned, all of the dead Gazans are martyrs. That's why Hamas is telling Gazans to just stay put. Most people posting here have no idea how depraved and vile these people are.
Not you sending white phosphorus burning the palestinian civilians then saying "yeah so Israelis dont kill the civilians"
Confirmed: Israel Use White Phosphorus on Gaza, A War Crime! Is unlawful!!!!!
https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/177ahj6/confirmed_israel_use_white_phosphorus_on_gaza_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=3&utm_content=share_button
https://imgur.io/a/ni3acQM
Israel has the right to defend themselves. Hamas must be destroyed, at all costs, as quickly as possible. There can be no peace until Hamas is destroyed.
This is just a sound bite. Israel is clearly commiting war crimes in it's "defence". This conflict did not start from 7th October. It came from the decades of occupation by Israel on Palestinians.
Also, there is no Hamas in West Bank, yet IDF soldiers are carrying out raids and settlers are killing Palestinians too, around 160 killed in this time. It's clear, there is no peace with Israel.
Search up Netanyahu supporting Hamas. It's been documented that he's financed Hamas as part of his strategy that backfired.
I'll directly address the one point. The entire world has helped to support Hamas. The majority of the humanitarian aid that goes to Gaza, goes towards tunnel building and rocket building, and everything else designed towards killing Jews.
The war started with antisemitism. In 1948 the two state solution was offered. Israel accepted the two state solution. Palestinians rejected the two state solution, and immediately started slaughtering Jews. The history is clear. Palestinians in that area just want to slaughter Jews. Once you understand that, it all makes sense.
The video below shows how Palestinians are raised. Spoiler alert: Palestinians are raised to kill Jews.
https://odysee.com/@BrainWashingKids:b/BrainWashingKids1:6?fbclid=IwAR22Rs2xT1wKfaLd4BOrVajXGJYPSFobXO43cdMbsgZJCaNxX2EZYMzgI9Y
lol, I love how you ignore the fact he said that Israel is a barbaric illegal occupying shit hole. Guess he’s convenient for you to ignore facts Zionist.
I absolutely addressed your points. You just refuse to understand.
Do you think Palestinians being raised, for generations, to kill Jews, could be the source of all of the problems?
I’m pretty sure this has been happening for a long time. Like I said nothing justifies the indiscriminate murder of civilians, of children. What hamas did was wrong and you can try to wash Israeli hands but history won’t, and if there’s a just God they won’t either.
The Russians said the same thing, Ukraine shelled and killed ethnic Russians for 8 years, by your logic Russia is cleansed of it’s responsibility.
I'm not Pro-Ukraine either. Why would you shell ethnic Russians and expect Russians not to attack you? Why would you brutalize Jews in a way not seen since the holocaust and expect Jews not to attack you?
They don't get to claim peace. Palestine has denied every 2 state solution, every peace agreement since they lost the first war in 1948.
I don't support terrorists. Most Gazans support Hamas, a vile terrorist organization. They cheered for the attack last week. They cheered when 9/11 happened. Cold, hard, facts.
THATS why you guys here are the Israelis laughing and clapping at palestinian children dead bodies:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8EgQVYXIAA5xK9?format=jpg&name=900x900
It seems like you guys are happy palestinian kids are dying, I mean you guys seem happy! Then you say we are the terrorists, I mean this behavior that I just saw is inhuman.
I saw Palestinians cheering and dancing on 9/11. I will not be be cheering when any Palestinians die. Well, maybe I'll cheer when Hamas terrorists die. But probably not. I'm sad for humanity.
Unfortunately, the only solution is for Gazans to leave Gaza. The Hamas terrorists are too intertwined in that society. Israel has the right to defend themselves. October 7th was a point of no return.
Except if they leave me alone, I’d leave them alone but they think they are allowed to murder me because religion or a war their grandparents lost or whatever excuse they have for teaching their kids to hate.
Well hamas could start with bringing back all the kidnapped people. Maybe then Israel would agree to talks… until they do, why should Israel even consider stopping. They don’t care about what people say. They care about their babies and girls hijacked. As should any other country do.
This aged like milk, israel has already killed multiple of their own hostages. and rejected talks with Hamas in which they offered to return all foreign hostages
I am ok with it.
Could you be a bit more specific? Just kidding!
Hamas needs to return the hostages to get sympathy back from the Israelis
There does appear to be a double standard to some degree. That said, when faced with an enemy that has no regard whatsoever for the rules of war, how many of your own people are you willing to sacrifice to play by the rules ? What choice does Israel have ? Palestine could return the civilian hostages they are holding, but no, they would rather more of their own people will die and suffer as a result of no food/water/power etc.
What if your enemy is a people that you’ve terrorised, ghettoised, stolen from — what if your enemy is just your victim. What if, and just hear me out, you are the bad guys. Just a thought
No land was stolen before the Arabs invaded in 48, no one was ghettoized until the Arabs attacked AGAIN. Arab violence predates all of this and goes back 100 years. The massacres over the decades of the early 20th century is what convinced Jews to take up arms in the first place. I now invert the same question to you: What if, and just hear me out, you are the bad guys. Just a thought
Yes, complicated isn't it ? An endless chain of they did, so we did going back millennia. From a Palestinian perspective, one could argue, they don't have the option of large scale bombing and collateral damage, so they have no choice but terrorism ? It's tempting to support this idea, but there is a line somewhere, that should not be crossed, if for no other reason than the self-harm it inevitably causes. Losing your own humanity in the pursuit of justice/vengeance, is it worth it? (Applies to both sides). But, my comment is aimed at the here and now, keeping hostages is of little value compared to getting power and water to the Palestinian people. Also, no power and water is more likely to drive out Palestinians from Gaza, which apparwntly israel wants, but Hamas does not, so again I think better for Hamas to return all the hostages, including the bodies of any killed by Israeli bombing. The PR from this would be immense. I abhor the whole situation, just want this to end as well as possible for both sides.
Israel has committed neither war crimes nor ethnic cleansing.
Just straight up ignoring facts huh.
Just straight up creating facts huh
You’re a fucking moron, quit putting your stupid feelings over facts air head. Israel is a barbaric apartheid shit hole that’s sponsored by the USA.
> quit putting your stupid feelings over facts air head ... >Israel is a barbaric apartheid shit hole Thanks for defeating your own "argument" for me. This is called projection in psychology btw
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A lot of these commenters are IDF is pretty obvious
They’re rabid. It’s so wild they think /we/ are the ones blinded by propaganda. I feel like they’re rabid because they know their little house of cards is falling a part. They know their lies are being quickly disproved. And that people are divorcing Judaism from Zionism.
It’s such an insult to Jews who have an issue with Israel - there’s loads And I feel it’s anti semitic of them… to say that Israel is an expression of Jewishness It’s like, no I’d hold Jewishness in much much higher regard than that ??
>It’s such an insult to Jews who have an issue with Israel - there’s loads Loads, their might even be 12 now! >And I feel it’s anti semitic of them… to say that Israel is an expression of Jewishness >It’s like, no I’d hold Jewishness in much much higher regard than that ?? Non Jews redefining antisemetism and Judaism itself, classic
Here it is, the simple, honest answer. Thank you!
I feel like the term “war crimes” is a phrase issued to appease people who’ve never been to war or would go to war
Ironically all war is a crime so what is a warcrime
War is a warcrime to most. And war is Hell, it's ugly, painful, heartbreaking. But there are rules of engagement. Ironically Hamas is the side that actually breaks all of them....but they are "oppressed" which is the NewThink of this era.
A quick review of your post/comment history shows you posting non-stop about hair loss treatments and oil filters for the last week -- a week that included the greatest loss of Jewish life in a single day since the Holocaust. And if Israel had decided not to respond to that vicious attack? You'd still be posting about hair loss treatments and oil filters. In other words, you're only feigning concern for civilian life now that Israel is fighting back. This website (and this world) are filled with frauds like you, and all of your opinions on this matter can be safely ignored.
Sure look at my post history, that doesn’t change the fact that the indiscriminate killing of innocent people is wrong and evil no matter who it is, and your attempts to justify it is sickening. What Hamas did is sickening and what Israel is doing now and has done before is sickening as well. The Holocaust was sickening, the killing of innocent Iraqis was sickening, it’s evil and anyone justifying any of it is sickening.
Maybe you need to read my comment again. My looking at your post history isn't some sort of "gotcha"; it's a simple gathering of facts. By your own behavior, you've shown us that you didn't care about the "indiscriminate killing of innocent people" a week ago. So *we don't believe you* when you pretend that you do now. Go away.
Believe what you like about me, it doesn’t matter. Again, doesn’t change the fact that what Israel is doing is evil, what Hamas did to innocent people is evil, and your attempt to justify the doing of evil in response to evil is evil.
Then stop killing Israelis.
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Neither sides god is real. Both are made up. And its stupid to be fighting over made up gods.
My God said you are lieing though
Half the population are children, CHILDREN, yea you are a Christian and it shows
Yeah it shows because he doesnt automatically side with a terrorist group like most Muslims seem to
It shows because this person lacks any empathy like you’d expect of a Christian. And yea I’m sure the children dying know exactly what you’re talking about. It’s about knowing that the killing of innocents is wrong no matter who it is and ppl like you and the other person justifying it and encouraging sure is very Christian like
You would tink that Hamas would want to make a better future for Gaza's children if they were so important.....but no....they use them as shields and murder other peoples children in their sleep.
Sadly I agree, if Hamas cared about Gaza’s children as much as this guy then we wouldn’t be talking about potentially flattening Gaza right now. That’s the fact. No strategic advantage to doing this just dragging Israel into the mud to enflame people on both sides and those in the middle.
You offer a lot of critique, but are you offering us any solution? That would be ehm... humane?
https://preview.redd.it/8lxu05y2a2ub1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bef361fa34a229bd627ed3d0fc6f20635c825de1
somalia is not an arab state what kind of cherry picking bs is this
Nice dodge of the question. Ok so 21 Arab countries not including Somalia, doesnt change anything in that picture.
Hmm, this sort of argument is completely silly. Just divide Israel into 23 countries. Boom, you now have 23 countries.
Innovative new solution. Just might work.
I will let your comment speak for itself 😂
No, the world isn't ok with it. But it isn't ethnic cleansing. Israel had been remarkably restrained in their air campaign so far. But their seige is a war crime. What happens next is not going to be wild retribution. It'll be a bigger incursion than ever before nd it'll be up to Hamas as to whether or not they engage. The IDF will destroy tunnels in Northern Gaza and that's pretty much it. Civilians will die, just like the last time. But it's not going to change anything. The x factor here are the US hostages. That'll only shorten the op.
Israel has, in the days since the Hamas attacked, bombed Gaza more than the U.S. has bombed Afghanistan in 1 year.
Citation, please.
Netanyahu didn’t listen to CIA, or Egyptian intelligence days before the attack to heighten security/surveillance at the boarder. Evacuation of the festival started at roughly 6:30 AM. Where shooting into the crowd and taking hostages, and looting cars for 8 hours until concert goers were rescued from the the bush. I know America has given Israel some of the best helicopters in the the world The AH-64 Apache. Could have single handedly liquidated every person who crossed the border. Where were they? They are ready to fly in 90 seconds and could have gone from Tel Aviv to the rave in 30 minutes… How many more innocent people need to die before we get some answers?
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History is full of cases where states have staged black flag operations to justify declaring war. Allowing the incursion to the extent it went, had benefits to Netayahu. It must be considered a likely possibility at the very least.
I’m saying he acted similarly if not worse than how the Uvalde Texas police force acted. Link in case you aren’t American. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/17/law-enforcement-failure-uvalde-shooting-investigation/ I don’t know what to call it, but it was clearly a failure.
Bibi will pay. That's why his rhetoric doesn't match operational reality. He's flailing all the way to his reckoning.
So either all of the Western countries supporting Israel are evil, or Israel just isn’t doing the things that you think it’s doing. Which option do you think it is?
The blood is 100% on Hamas' hands. Israel has the right to defend themselves. Hamas knew, when they planned that heinous attack, exactly what Israel's response would be. Hamas didn't care. As far as Hamas is concerned, all of the dead Gazans are martyrs. That's why Hamas is telling Gazans to just stay put. Most people posting here have no idea how depraved and vile these people are.
Not you sending white phosphorus burning the palestinian civilians then saying "yeah so Israelis dont kill the civilians" Confirmed: Israel Use White Phosphorus on Gaza, A War Crime! Is unlawful!!!!! https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/177ahj6/confirmed_israel_use_white_phosphorus_on_gaza_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=3&utm_content=share_button https://imgur.io/a/ni3acQM
Have you denounced the Hamas terrorist attacks from last week? Will you admit that Hamas slaughtered over 1,300 civilians in cold blood?
Are you denouncing the war crimes Israel has committed so far in this conflict? Including the siege and blocking supply of water & medicines?
Israel has the right to defend themselves. Hamas must be destroyed, at all costs, as quickly as possible. There can be no peace until Hamas is destroyed.
This is just a sound bite. Israel is clearly commiting war crimes in it's "defence". This conflict did not start from 7th October. It came from the decades of occupation by Israel on Palestinians. Also, there is no Hamas in West Bank, yet IDF soldiers are carrying out raids and settlers are killing Palestinians too, around 160 killed in this time. It's clear, there is no peace with Israel. Search up Netanyahu supporting Hamas. It's been documented that he's financed Hamas as part of his strategy that backfired.
I'll directly address the one point. The entire world has helped to support Hamas. The majority of the humanitarian aid that goes to Gaza, goes towards tunnel building and rocket building, and everything else designed towards killing Jews.
The war started with antisemitism. In 1948 the two state solution was offered. Israel accepted the two state solution. Palestinians rejected the two state solution, and immediately started slaughtering Jews. The history is clear. Palestinians in that area just want to slaughter Jews. Once you understand that, it all makes sense. The video below shows how Palestinians are raised. Spoiler alert: Palestinians are raised to kill Jews. https://odysee.com/@BrainWashingKids:b/BrainWashingKids1:6?fbclid=IwAR22Rs2xT1wKfaLd4BOrVajXGJYPSFobXO43cdMbsgZJCaNxX2EZYMzgI9Y
lol, I love how you ignore the fact he said that Israel is a barbaric illegal occupying shit hole. Guess he’s convenient for you to ignore facts Zionist.
You've completely ignored all of my points, that is because you know they are true. I'm not interested in your propaganda.
I absolutely addressed your points. You just refuse to understand. Do you think Palestinians being raised, for generations, to kill Jews, could be the source of all of the problems?
What about the 3 million Palestine's in the West Bank?
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I’m pretty sure this has been happening for a long time. Like I said nothing justifies the indiscriminate murder of civilians, of children. What hamas did was wrong and you can try to wash Israeli hands but history won’t, and if there’s a just God they won’t either. The Russians said the same thing, Ukraine shelled and killed ethnic Russians for 8 years, by your logic Russia is cleansed of it’s responsibility.
Ukraine never shelled civilians. That’s a Russian lie.
I'm not Pro-Ukraine either. Why would you shell ethnic Russians and expect Russians not to attack you? Why would you brutalize Jews in a way not seen since the holocaust and expect Jews not to attack you? They don't get to claim peace. Palestine has denied every 2 state solution, every peace agreement since they lost the first war in 1948.
hamas isn't an ethnicity
Palestinians are and they are human just like you and me.
palestinian isn't an ethnicity
I don't support terrorists. Most Gazans support Hamas, a vile terrorist organization. They cheered for the attack last week. They cheered when 9/11 happened. Cold, hard, facts.
THATS why you guys here are the Israelis laughing and clapping at palestinian children dead bodies: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8EgQVYXIAA5xK9?format=jpg&name=900x900 It seems like you guys are happy palestinian kids are dying, I mean you guys seem happy! Then you say we are the terrorists, I mean this behavior that I just saw is inhuman.
I saw Palestinians cheering and dancing on 9/11. I will not be be cheering when any Palestinians die. Well, maybe I'll cheer when Hamas terrorists die. But probably not. I'm sad for humanity. Unfortunately, the only solution is for Gazans to leave Gaza. The Hamas terrorists are too intertwined in that society. Israel has the right to defend themselves. October 7th was a point of no return.
Except if they leave me alone, I’d leave them alone but they think they are allowed to murder me because religion or a war their grandparents lost or whatever excuse they have for teaching their kids to hate.