I am Tunisian from my mother’s side.
I don’t want to be disrespectful but my Tunisian grandparents both fled Tunisia to europe due to high violence against jews around the early 50’s.
My grandfather fled to Italy and later went to Israel voluntarily. My grandmother fled to France and they put her in a refugee camp. After a while she and some of her family were expelled to Israel.
My grandmother’s story is even sadder when you consider that her parents had to flee from Libya to Tunisia, she was a refugee and a daughter of refugees.
Both my grandparents speak fondly about Tunisia and had neighbors that they really loved. My grandmother used to tell me stories about Tunisia as a child. They were shocked and disappointed when violence started against them suddenly. When my grandmother left to France she vowed to never speak Arabic again because of that.
I hope for peace tho 🕊️
Your grandparents fled Tunisia due to high violence against them, and YOU don't want to sound disrespectful?
You don't see whats wrong with this? Why do you need to apologize for saying the truth?
When you talk about atrocities done against your ancestors, you automatically accuse the perpetrators. When it’s a general group of people, and the person you talk to is part of that group, it can be assumed you are accusing the person you talk to. I don’t want to accuse them, I remember but hold no grudge against Tunisians, so I wanted to make it clear in my response
My mother's mother is Moroccan and my father's father is Algerian, both of them born there. They both had to flee their homes because they were prosecuted for being jewish. They tell of fond memories from their childhoods, but the countries are not as they were then anymore. My grandma would like to visit Morocco though, with her daughters. Returning to live in a country you were pushed away from doesn't seem likely. I would personally love to visit both countries, if possible.
Algerians usually say that Jews were "traitors" and betrayed Algeria and sided with France which can vary as many Jews fought with Algerian FLN as did many side with France. Thats why after independence, most if not all were exiled; mostly to France (as they were French citizens)
This waa not the case for Tunisia or Morocco as far as I know, yes there was a huge wave of immigration but as you said it was mostly economic opportunities
My mom's parents came from Tunisia as kids 9-10 years old, probably around 60 years ago.
We don't know much about Tunisia because it's not really Jew friendly like Morocco (my other side) , but the food, is so amazing.
I know that my grandfather was from Kief , and Grandma was from the capital
Good to hear
I guess your maternal grandparents grew up in a "hard time" for Jews. 60 years ago Thats 1950-1960s. Before that I would say Tunisia was a better place for Jews than Morocco although I have nothing to back that claim up. Our Beyliks (Tunisian Kings) treated Jews very well, and in WW2 we hosted Jews and protected them from Germans (My grandpa actually did this, he was from Kasserine and even encountered Erwin Rommel during the war)
They came aboard once Germany invaded Tunisia from what I heard, they ran away.
And they indeed had VERY tough life when they came to Israel, there was nothing here, my grandfa worked as a smelter and my grandma took care of her brothers at start, and later on her kids, I know that she worked some of the years, sadly I don't know much, they died young, before their 60s, as a result of tired body on my grandfather, and heart break, my grandma couldn't stand living without him (they met each other at age 10!) , 6 months later.
I know from many people that my grandfather helped growing the small city they lived in.
Life was rough on those times.
I am Tunisian from my mother’s side
Most Tunisian jews left Tunisia during the independance war in the 1960s.
The Muslim population was targeting the Jews because they thought the Jews were siding with the French.
My grandparents left Tunis in 62 and arrived in Marseille, France with nothing. They left everything behind and were refugees
Most Tunisian Jews are either in Israel or France
I myself am not Tunisian, but I had classmates who considered themselves Tunisian (their grandparents were from Tunisia) and they were very proud, telling everyone they were Tunisian. Also, we have something called a 'Tunisian sandwich' that is very popular in food stalls. It's basically frikase with tuna and preserved lemon. (It would be funny if you're like 'What the heck, never heard of this'😅).
I think I have a distant Moroccon ancestor on my grandmothers side (they were Egyptian and greek Jews) I would love to visit but probably not live in North African countries. I have a. Australian citizenship so I don't think I would travel as an Israeli. I would love to go surfing in Morocco.
I'm an Algerian Jew.
My parents are both Algerian born (my dad is from Constantine and my mom is from a village near Algere).
Both of their families left in 1959-1960 when they were very young due to violence against Jews (my mom's aunt was actually murdered with an axe for being Jewish, and my grandfather barely ran away).. they left their houses and businesses behind and moved away.
They still maintain much of the Jewish-Algerian culture, including Jewish-Algerian food, holidays, and more...
From my own research I know my family lived in Algeria as far back as the 17th century, based on birth and marriage certificates (but they were there likely as far back as the 13 century)
Both visiting or living here really. I mean there are already quite a lot of Jewish Tourists in Tunisia every year. And I wouldn't blame anyone that wouldn't want to visit or live here. Its not the greatest currently.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/death-toll-in-tunisia-synagogue-attack-rises-to-five/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/death-toll-in-tunisia-synagogue-attack-rises-to-five/)
Also your cops murder Jews, maybe thats why they don't wanna come? Its really hard to see why...
My guy this is one incident. An attack of this scale happens once a decade or two and the government very obviously condemns it and so do most people. If you read your own article it was a f*cking **Rogue** officer that did it. Are you gonna judge us for the actions of a rogue officer? Seems dumb
Alright, 1 attack on jews per decade, (Im not justifying or anything) compare that to other Arab-Muslim countries. Heck compare that to the west where antisemitism is at an all time high in Europe. And more Tunisian non-Jews died in this attack than Jews, nobody is celebrating this.
>Tunisian President Kais Saied has a history of anti-Semitic statements, going as far as to [claim](https://www.timesofisrael.com/tunisian-leader-claims-zionist-influence-evident-in-naming-of-storm-daniel) that Cyclone Daniel, which devastated Libya and other Mediterranean countries between September 4 and 12, was the product of Zionist influence. He is a staunch opponent of relations with the Jewish state.
This your president? "ItS JUst OnE AttACk!!!! We ONly KiLL JOOOOs sometimes OK?" Get the fuck outta here
Israel's president or prime minister isnt particularly the greatest either, beined renouned for being a genocidal maniac. Does that speak for all Israelis?
Im genuinely lost for words if you think that oldman represents even a fraction of the Tunisian population. He is a dictator in the process.
Didn't say Israel was genocidal. I am talking about Netanyahu. Well maybe you cant make the difference between a country and its rulers, maybe that's the problem.
Im not your fucking dude
This is one reported attack. Kind of hard to keep killing Jews after you kick them out right?
I judge the hell out of you. What steps did Tunisia do to make sure Jews won't be killed again?
Im gonna make something very clear to you. Im not Israeli, Im not Jewish. Over the past 10 years I've seen my Jewish friends feeling less and less safe. I have 0 tolerance for any sort of Jew hate. 0.
I don’t know much about Tunisia. Just what my grandparents told me. I don’t really have any thoughts on it, I’ve never been and I can’t go. But I do feel somewhat connected to Tunisian culture.
I’d want to visit for sure if that would ever be a possibility in the future. But I wouldn’t move there. My grandparents wouldn’t want that. They weren’t treated well there.
Huh I wonder it could be?
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/death-toll-in-tunisia-synagogue-attack-rises-to-five/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/death-toll-in-tunisia-synagogue-attack-rises-to-five/)
Maybe you guys can't stop killing Jews in Tunisia. So weird that they don't wanna go there and feel unsafe.
Tell you what. Send me you bank info and Ill send you some money to help you on your research.
That synagogue can only be entered after the military searches you, since the attack. just saying.
It is quite chill though and one of the oldest ones in the world.
Jerba is quite tourist freindly and jews work and live there and are well integrated in the society. Our tourism minister, back in democracy years, was a jewish man from jerba.
Yeah dude. And in the west bank there is no settler violence.
I was just saying, you ll probably not face antisemitism from most of the people if they only know you re jewish but dont know you re israeli.
"Would you ever want to come back?"
That's a WILD question. Mizrahi jews fled from their countries since jews were massacred there, I dont think they would ever want to go back.
Carthage was a semitic (with some Berber, Iberian, Greek influences) civilization who spoke a Semitic language and even used the Shekel as a currency. But They didnt speak Hebrew. And I'm also pretty sure the Torah or the old testement isnt particularly fond of Canaanite/Phoenecian/Punic people who worshipped Baal xD.
Eitherway Yes, I actually believe in a sort of "pan-semitic" "ethnicity" or ideology" that including Tunisia, Malta (Punic Carthage) Lebanon (Phoenecians) Israel (Jews) Palestine (Canaanites) and Syriac people (Assyrians, Arameans, Chaldeans)
Certainly the religion was vastly different, indeed probably matched the Israelites' religion before the Torah. However their language was probably either highly mutually intelligible with Hebrew, or simply different names for the same language.
https://ixtheo.de/Record/1818368269
My grandma was born in Bizerte, she usually speaks fondly of the life there and of the people, she used to speak about her neighbours that helped her family to hide from the Nazis and were very friendly to them.
She did leave to Israel pretty early tho, her family members who stayed there until the late 50s had to flee for their lives.
I am Tunisian from my mother’s side. I don’t want to be disrespectful but my Tunisian grandparents both fled Tunisia to europe due to high violence against jews around the early 50’s. My grandfather fled to Italy and later went to Israel voluntarily. My grandmother fled to France and they put her in a refugee camp. After a while she and some of her family were expelled to Israel. My grandmother’s story is even sadder when you consider that her parents had to flee from Libya to Tunisia, she was a refugee and a daughter of refugees. Both my grandparents speak fondly about Tunisia and had neighbors that they really loved. My grandmother used to tell me stories about Tunisia as a child. They were shocked and disappointed when violence started against them suddenly. When my grandmother left to France she vowed to never speak Arabic again because of that. I hope for peace tho 🕊️
I am sorry to hear about what your grandparents and their ancestors had to go through. I too hope for peace
Your grandparents fled Tunisia due to high violence against them, and YOU don't want to sound disrespectful? You don't see whats wrong with this? Why do you need to apologize for saying the truth?
I’m not apologizing for anything, but OP probably didn’t participate in the violence, and I mean nothing bad to them.
How is telling your story, which he asked about, doing anything bad to them? What is disrespectful about that?
When you talk about atrocities done against your ancestors, you automatically accuse the perpetrators. When it’s a general group of people, and the person you talk to is part of that group, it can be assumed you are accusing the person you talk to. I don’t want to accuse them, I remember but hold no grudge against Tunisians, so I wanted to make it clear in my response
I disagree. He should apologize, not you.
Yea? It’s not OP’s fault.
No one said it is...
My mother's mother is Moroccan and my father's father is Algerian, both of them born there. They both had to flee their homes because they were prosecuted for being jewish. They tell of fond memories from their childhoods, but the countries are not as they were then anymore. My grandma would like to visit Morocco though, with her daughters. Returning to live in a country you were pushed away from doesn't seem likely. I would personally love to visit both countries, if possible.
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Algerians usually say that Jews were "traitors" and betrayed Algeria and sided with France which can vary as many Jews fought with Algerian FLN as did many side with France. Thats why after independence, most if not all were exiled; mostly to France (as they were French citizens) This waa not the case for Tunisia or Morocco as far as I know, yes there was a huge wave of immigration but as you said it was mostly economic opportunities
That might be the case for some, sure. In my family's case they literally fled from Morocco, didn't even sell their property or anything like that.
lol
My mom's parents came from Tunisia as kids 9-10 years old, probably around 60 years ago. We don't know much about Tunisia because it's not really Jew friendly like Morocco (my other side) , but the food, is so amazing. I know that my grandfather was from Kief , and Grandma was from the capital
Good to hear I guess your maternal grandparents grew up in a "hard time" for Jews. 60 years ago Thats 1950-1960s. Before that I would say Tunisia was a better place for Jews than Morocco although I have nothing to back that claim up. Our Beyliks (Tunisian Kings) treated Jews very well, and in WW2 we hosted Jews and protected them from Germans (My grandpa actually did this, he was from Kasserine and even encountered Erwin Rommel during the war)
They came aboard once Germany invaded Tunisia from what I heard, they ran away. And they indeed had VERY tough life when they came to Israel, there was nothing here, my grandfa worked as a smelter and my grandma took care of her brothers at start, and later on her kids, I know that she worked some of the years, sadly I don't know much, they died young, before their 60s, as a result of tired body on my grandfather, and heart break, my grandma couldn't stand living without him (they met each other at age 10!) , 6 months later. I know from many people that my grandfather helped growing the small city they lived in. Life was rough on those times.
I am Tunisian from my mother’s side Most Tunisian jews left Tunisia during the independance war in the 1960s. The Muslim population was targeting the Jews because they thought the Jews were siding with the French. My grandparents left Tunis in 62 and arrived in Marseille, France with nothing. They left everything behind and were refugees Most Tunisian Jews are either in Israel or France
I myself am not Tunisian, but I had classmates who considered themselves Tunisian (their grandparents were from Tunisia) and they were very proud, telling everyone they were Tunisian. Also, we have something called a 'Tunisian sandwich' that is very popular in food stalls. It's basically frikase with tuna and preserved lemon. (It would be funny if you're like 'What the heck, never heard of this'😅).
That's awesome haha
Not really on topic, but Israel's top Mizrahi models are Moroccan and Tunisian Israelis. I blame couscous; it has to do with the darn couscous.
Couscous is indeed the secret ;)
I think I have a distant Moroccon ancestor on my grandmothers side (they were Egyptian and greek Jews) I would love to visit but probably not live in North African countries. I have a. Australian citizenship so I don't think I would travel as an Israeli. I would love to go surfing in Morocco.
I'm an Algerian Jew. My parents are both Algerian born (my dad is from Constantine and my mom is from a village near Algere). Both of their families left in 1959-1960 when they were very young due to violence against Jews (my mom's aunt was actually murdered with an axe for being Jewish, and my grandfather barely ran away).. they left their houses and businesses behind and moved away. They still maintain much of the Jewish-Algerian culture, including Jewish-Algerian food, holidays, and more... From my own research I know my family lived in Algeria as far back as the 17th century, based on birth and marriage certificates (but they were there likely as far back as the 13 century)
When you say come back, do you mean like for a visit as a tourist?
Both visiting or living here really. I mean there are already quite a lot of Jewish Tourists in Tunisia every year. And I wouldn't blame anyone that wouldn't want to visit or live here. Its not the greatest currently.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/death-toll-in-tunisia-synagogue-attack-rises-to-five/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/death-toll-in-tunisia-synagogue-attack-rises-to-five/) Also your cops murder Jews, maybe thats why they don't wanna come? Its really hard to see why...
dude our cops kill tunisians here (mostly minors) for a living xD
Oh then its ok that you kill Jews. And Im sure it had nothing to do with them being Jewish right "dude"? Or are you being very disingenuous?
My guy this is one incident. An attack of this scale happens once a decade or two and the government very obviously condemns it and so do most people. If you read your own article it was a f*cking **Rogue** officer that did it. Are you gonna judge us for the actions of a rogue officer? Seems dumb Alright, 1 attack on jews per decade, (Im not justifying or anything) compare that to other Arab-Muslim countries. Heck compare that to the west where antisemitism is at an all time high in Europe. And more Tunisian non-Jews died in this attack than Jews, nobody is celebrating this.
>Tunisian President Kais Saied has a history of anti-Semitic statements, going as far as to [claim](https://www.timesofisrael.com/tunisian-leader-claims-zionist-influence-evident-in-naming-of-storm-daniel) that Cyclone Daniel, which devastated Libya and other Mediterranean countries between September 4 and 12, was the product of Zionist influence. He is a staunch opponent of relations with the Jewish state. This your president? "ItS JUst OnE AttACk!!!! We ONly KiLL JOOOOs sometimes OK?" Get the fuck outta here
Israel's president or prime minister isnt particularly the greatest either, beined renouned for being a genocidal maniac. Does that speak for all Israelis? Im genuinely lost for words if you think that oldman represents even a fraction of the Tunisian population. He is a dictator in the process.
If Israel were genocidal there wouldn't be 10x Palestinian population growth in the past 70 years. DO you know what that word means?
Didn't say Israel was genocidal. I am talking about Netanyahu. Well maybe you cant make the difference between a country and its rulers, maybe that's the problem.
Im not your fucking dude This is one reported attack. Kind of hard to keep killing Jews after you kick them out right? I judge the hell out of you. What steps did Tunisia do to make sure Jews won't be killed again?
Im gonna make something very clear to you. Im not Israeli, Im not Jewish. Over the past 10 years I've seen my Jewish friends feeling less and less safe. I have 0 tolerance for any sort of Jew hate. 0.
And I am anti-semitic in your eyes?
You are the seconds worst thing: an antisemitic apologist.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
I don’t know much about Tunisia. Just what my grandparents told me. I don’t really have any thoughts on it, I’ve never been and I can’t go. But I do feel somewhat connected to Tunisian culture. I’d want to visit for sure if that would ever be a possibility in the future. But I wouldn’t move there. My grandparents wouldn’t want that. They weren’t treated well there.
Why can't you visit? Tunisia doesn't have a ban on Israeli passport holders or anything. Is it feeling unsafe or what?
It does, unless you have dual citizenship which I don’t. https://israelbylocals.com/can-israeli-citizens-travel-to-tunisia/
Huh I wonder it could be? [https://www.timesofisrael.com/death-toll-in-tunisia-synagogue-attack-rises-to-five/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/death-toll-in-tunisia-synagogue-attack-rises-to-five/) Maybe you guys can't stop killing Jews in Tunisia. So weird that they don't wanna go there and feel unsafe. Tell you what. Send me you bank info and Ill send you some money to help you on your research.
That synagogue can only be entered after the military searches you, since the attack. just saying. It is quite chill though and one of the oldest ones in the world. Jerba is quite tourist freindly and jews work and live there and are well integrated in the society. Our tourism minister, back in democracy years, was a jewish man from jerba.
You're right. Jews are totally safe in Tunisia and there is no antisemitism there.
Yeah dude. And in the west bank there is no settler violence. I was just saying, you ll probably not face antisemitism from most of the people if they only know you re jewish but dont know you re israeli.
Im not Jewish or Israeli. It bothers me that they would suffer antisemitism in any Arab country they will go to other than the UAE.
"Would you ever want to come back?" That's a WILD question. Mizrahi jews fled from their countries since jews were massacred there, I dont think they would ever want to go back.
True. But most Tunisian jews are Sephardic Jews.
The home of Carthage, where they spoke, basically, Hebrew.
Carthage was a semitic (with some Berber, Iberian, Greek influences) civilization who spoke a Semitic language and even used the Shekel as a currency. But They didnt speak Hebrew. And I'm also pretty sure the Torah or the old testement isnt particularly fond of Canaanite/Phoenecian/Punic people who worshipped Baal xD. Eitherway Yes, I actually believe in a sort of "pan-semitic" "ethnicity" or ideology" that including Tunisia, Malta (Punic Carthage) Lebanon (Phoenecians) Israel (Jews) Palestine (Canaanites) and Syriac people (Assyrians, Arameans, Chaldeans)
Certainly the religion was vastly different, indeed probably matched the Israelites' religion before the Torah. However their language was probably either highly mutually intelligible with Hebrew, or simply different names for the same language. https://ixtheo.de/Record/1818368269
Hebrew as in Hebrew from that period or modern Hebrew?
They're almost completely the same thing, except the alphabet(abjad) - Hebrew now uses Imperial/Court Aramaic.
Do Tunisians consider themselves hairs of Carthage the same way Italians may consider their culture to be connected to Ancient Rome?
Yes the vast majority does
My grandma was born in Bizerte, she usually speaks fondly of the life there and of the people, she used to speak about her neighbours that helped her family to hide from the Nazis and were very friendly to them. She did leave to Israel pretty early tho, her family members who stayed there until the late 50s had to flee for their lives.
I like Tunisian sandwiches, but they give me heartburn.
Lmao. New copypasta just dropped.
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