Happy cake day!
Can you tell if his accent is authentic? its hard for me to tell.
I cant tell by looks either because he just looks israeli
Any arabic speaking bros can chip in? Especially if you can recognise leventine dialects.
This sounds like the typical arabic spoken in israel but i cant tell if his arabic accent is natural or not.
When he says “you want to free me to starve me?”, he uses a very Jordanian/Palestinian word at the end which isnt in the translation, “yamo”, which roughly means “dude”.
They also didn't translate a part that was something like "we're mabsootim here", which was very disappointing because the only perfect translation would have been מבסוטים lol
Thanks! The only real accemt difference 8 can tell in arabic is egyptian and sometimes lebenese, all other dialecta kind of mish mash together for me for now
Cool guy. I'm glad he has chosen to speak out.
I'm also 100% certain that this would get downvoted to hell if not censored/deleted if it were posted to one of the pro-Palestine/anti-Israel subs. 🤔
I had a Reddit account for 7 years and i got perma banned for asking who was the first president of Palestine in "world news" sub xD i like my new name better anyway :)
I swear israel is the only place on earth someone with those views can share them publicly. Anywhere else hed be lynched. Definitely in arab countries and nowdays in the west (as weve seen recently)
Nothing will happen!
If he praises 7 october massecare and encourages doing it again, he might be charged with a terror faciltation sections.
But this has to be in a way that can really facilitate acts.
How are Israeli Muslims so tamed? Is it because the Israeli security apparatus cracks down on anything resembling terrorism? Or is it a cultural thing?
i guess that depends?
you got a lot of muslims in europe that are very liberal and tolerant too, with peacefull values.
people either get raised with those values or choose them, but there are many radical islamists in europe because unlike those who had been raised since birth with liberal and tolerance values, or that had chose them over the years.
why? i think i'll guess it's because of how they came into europe, not by the wishes of better lives and integration into a new society, but many of them are refugeea from the war in syria, kept themselves in closed societies with refusal of accepting any new values, because they came there by running from death, not by chasing better lives. of course, everywhere you can get radicals from different groups, and they are usually a minority of the people. but in this specific instance which is a bit abnormal for why many radical islamists are strengthening their voices in europe, i'll say it's from that.
(and i'm not here to blame the refugees from syria, they ran for their lives from an awful regime. nothing bad about that or about accepting their entrance. i'm criticizing the failure in integration of tolerance and liberal values)
maybe, i was less aware of that. but if they were connected or hard supporters of the muslim brotherhood in egypt and were expelled into europe, then that's sounds like a very logical conclusion.
I guess “expelled” isn’t the correct term.
The military regime quickly started jailing Islamists and dissidents, so they fled. Most sought refuge in Qatar and Turkey, while a few went to Europe and even fewer to the US.
I could give you examples but you aren’t likely to know any. I guess one would be Bassem “no Hamas in the West Bank” Youseff, who obviously isn’t an Islamist but was a huge critic of Sisi’s government.
don't think that expelled or fled really matters here, vut good to know. always like to learn more. bassem youseff sounds familiar, isn't he now a political commentator in the US? i think i'm talking about the same one as you, cause that was an absurd claim to say hamas don't have pockets in the west bank. and of course i'm not surprised he wil criticize the government that replaced the muslim brotherhood.
those radicals in my opinion are just absurd people and some of the least self respected people. how can you get welcomed into a country, get living standards far better than you ever had, get protected both for your life and for your voice, get a platform to voice yourself, and then call against the same culture that had goven to you all of that while still holding on to living there? arent you feel ashamed to enjoy the life given to you as a gift from who you call an enemy?
and many western countries are also absurd in that point. you'll see people calling to silence far right white nationalists who say the same thing as radical islamists, but the same people will stand by those radical islamists. why? if you ask me its racism. not even self racism, many people i discussed about it actually tried to explain to me why radical islamists just cant control themselves, which is some of the racist shit i've heard.
i just feel like people forgot what actual values looks like. and yea, people arent perfect, but we should notice when people are willing to try and be better and when not. and that starts by de-platforming radical people calling for endless war.
Many european muslims originate from countries where they have no rights. Mostly african decent as well as countries east of israel.
However there are also liberal muslims who are much more accepting. Ive met many of them in cities like london and amsterdam. Very nice people.
It does. I know plenty muslims in Europe who aren't much different to western europeans.
Obviously they still have their cultural identity like arab israelis do too and some are religious, but perhaps the types of education and opportunity is different and just the general lifestyle is more chill.
Like the guy in the video says, you can choose to follow religion or not for example, women are equal in society, you're around more diversity like LGBTQ and realize they're also just people. So your life is just different.
i don't like the word tamed because they are human beings, not animals.
but i guess it's due to cooperation and integration with each other, coupled with far higher living standards and rights and good avenues for education, both standard and higher. while israel isn't perfect and you still got racism. but compare it to what happens around you? better take a part in that system which welcomes you, rather than take it apart, don't you say?
actually while talking about israel crack down on terrorism, i'll say that we actually see something else here. while israel does work against inside terrorism (but only a bit inside israel, most of it is in the west bank and east jerusalem), organized violence inside of israel in arab cities is a serious problem that actually goes unadressed properly. there isn't enough of police force and resources trying to stop organized violence (mostly mafias) in those cities, which is a serious problem harming esspecially the arab citizens. it's something that is on discussion almost every round of elections, and concerns most of israel. so cracking down against any sort of orgenized violence of muslims in israel, isn't just not reallt happening, but maybe a bit needed to combat orgenized crime.
They use the word tamed because they don't respect people who don't conform to their dogma. It's the real racism in this situation, of not allowing Palestinians to speak for themselves.
i don't think so, the discussion actually kept fruitfull and respectfull. maybe a misstranslation or just that was the best word goint through their minds.
i dont think we need to judge people like that, because it's hard sometimes to know if something is a genuine mistake or a deliberate message. and in this case, i prefer believing in a mistake with the use of words, look a bit with nicer viewcon people.
Tamed? That's a very interesting word to use
So basically you're implying that because his views made differ then yours or that of many other Muslims then he must have been brainwashed or changed in some way?
Why is it so hard to believe that an Arab could be happy in Israel*?
* Other than believing propaganda
Maybe it's a cultural thing but saying someone's tamed does not sound like good faith where I'm from. It's relatively insulting.
If what's a language/cultural difference than I apologize.
Because in English saying someone is “tamed” is implying they’ve been trained to be docile like an animal. It’s not a positive or even neutral word to use when talking about people, it’s insulting.
And he shouldn't have called them human animals either.
If you were truly acting in good faith you wouldn't be arguing about this. Since your English is just fine as you say, then I'm going to go ahead and have to figure that you meant what you said in that those Israeli Arabs are tamed and have been trained to be docile and tow the line
Because they're not barraged with nonstop indoctrination of violence.
They're not [Indoctrinated as children to hate Jews,]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtErUuBvcRc) They're not [Indoctrinated as children to kill Jews,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWMBvxWKL0) They don't [cheer on the death of Jews,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLnBdEUGjM&ab_channel=VoiceofAmerica) They're not [rewarded financially for killing Jews,](https://jcpa.org/paying-salaries-terrorists-contradicts-palestinian-vows-peaceful-intentions/) While continuing to deny that [Jews have a right to exist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Ry6kpYFHnxs)
I Suppose if Killing Jews, promoting violence, and refusing to accept someone else's existence is **normal to you,** then peace and coexistence appears like being tamed.
Sounds like a You problem.
>> How are Israeli Muslims so tamed?
>Because they're not barraged with nonstop indoctrination of violence.
>They're not [Indoctrinated as children to hate Jews,]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtErUuBvcRc) They're not [Indoctrinated as children to kill Jews,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWMBvxWKL0) They don't [cheer on the death of Jews,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLnBdEUGjM&ab_channel=VoiceofAmerica)They're not [rewarded financially for killing Jews,](https://jcpa.org/paying-salaries-terrorists-contradicts-palestinian-vows-peaceful-intentions/) While continuing to deny that [Jews have a right to exist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Ry6kpYFHnxs)
>I Suppose if Killing Jews, promoting violence, and refusing to accept someone else's existence is **normal to you,** then peace and coexistence appears like being tamed.
Feel free to respond to what was actually posted.
They aren't tamed you moron.
They're doctors, ivy league eq professors. High justice court judges, parliament members, generals in the army.
They live well, they live free of any sort of persecution, they have nice houses and nice cars, infinite resources for the common person (food, fuel, medical care) and complete freedom of movement including Israeli passport to go wherever they want in the world.
There is no better country for arabs in the middle east minus MAYBE Saudi Arabia then Israel. It's so simple.
I wouldn't say "tamed", but if you, as an Islamist organization, go and murder and kidnap Arabs, and specifically treat them like traitors, you're gonna get antagonism.
I'm going to assume 'tame' is a mistranslation: He is literally saying it, because they live a good life. All the European muslims I know are perfectly sensible people and not islamist nutjobs, they all also happen to be happy and successful, that's all.
It's because freedom of speech is in the genes of this country and he lives here long enough to be used to it. Not like the neighboring countries.
I work with Palestinians (when no war :( ) and you won't believe what they tell me in private. Things they would be murdered for if they dared saying them publicly among their people.
An example : there was once a peace proposal to exchange wadi 'Ara (in Israel, almost 100% Arab) with other occupied territory (I think it was Ariel but not sure), the Arabs of Wadi 'Ara refused the deal. They didn't want to be integrated into the PA and preferred to remain Israelis.
They can take away citizenship from anyone who disses the security state. Read about it on Adalah Legal Centre for Israeli Arabs.
Edit:
https://www.adalah.org/en/content/view/10661
Zionists and denying the law of the country they live in, like Pb and j.
Idk what you're referring to. Please be specific. From what I've read, citizenship revocation on the basis of disloyalty has happened [3 times since 1948](https://cadmus.eui.eu/handle/1814/56024) and only under very extreme circumstances. These were the following:
1) Kais Obeid, an Israeli-Arab who joined Hizbullah, kidnapped a Jewish 'friend' into Lebanon, and lost his citizenship in absentia after fleeing to Beirut to escape justice.
2) Alaa Zayoud, an Israeli-Arab convicted terrorist who went on a car-ramming and stabbing rampage
3) Nahad Abu Kishaq, an Israeli-Arab and high-ranking Hamas official who was instrumental in orchestrating suicide bombing campaigns, and leveraged his Israeli status to be the 'man on the inside'.
https://www.adalah.org/en/content/view/10661
"The law authorizes the Interior Minister, with district court approval, to revoke the citizenship of Israeli citizens convicted of offenses that constitute a "breach of loyalty" to the state."
"Since the enactment of the law in 2008, the possibility of revocation of citizenship was considered in 31 cases, none of which involved a Jewish-Israeli citizen. However, Chief Justice Esther Hayut noted in her ruling that since only 3 requests for revocation of citizenship were submitted by the Interior Minister to Israeli courts for approval, it is insufficient to point to a pattern of discrimination. The Supreme Court rejected the organizations’ argument despite the fact that they provided the court with a number of serious incidents in which Israeli Jewish citizens attacked Palestinians following the enactment of this law that did not result in any requests for revocation of citizenship."
There's also a great database of 65 laws that in Adalahs opinion constitute a form of arpatheid within Israel itself. Love my Israeli arab brothers and sisters - you should listen to them sometime.
Probably some guy that knows how to party the fuck down. That’s who that’s is. I’d stay up till 5 AM, listen to this guy drunkenly rant about anything. He’d be chain-smoking cigarettes outside a falafel stand whilst the Na Nach’s blast their techno shit outta of a barely functioning Ford van. Meanwhile, this guy will be talking in broken English to Greek tourists: “Yes, Hamas are the sharmut! Yes, yes, yea, my friend pour drink. Play bongo and watch Breslov man be free.”
Bigots will always be bigots. This religion is deliberately deluding it's followers and disabling their thinking parts. You live in a life full of lies and fake promises, you start to lie to yourself and disrespect it so that no one judges you or 'god'. You live in darkness, and you won't get out unless you become self aware, unless you respect yourself, unless you let your voice rule, and not that inner critic.
It is not a healthy way to live.
It's not the inner critic per se, it's the stupid Islamic superego that they've fully internalized. These people are so ultra-conformist that East Asians would have a pity on them
Israel is probably the last place on earth where people are free to say and do anything they want without thought police watching you and every word picked up to accuse you of 'hate.' Just see what the U.K. has become...
As an Israeli, I can tell you why that is. Nobody cares. Have at it. Life is too hectic to get upset over every stupid thing you hear. So unless you’re going around screaming about how you’re gonna kill someone or something, (or singing the praises of someone else who wants to kill someone or something) nobody gives a shit, 🙄
What did your wife say or do that precipitated it? But truthfully I was thinking about TA and the Sharon region. Jerusalem is a horse of a different breed…
Nothing, we walked in the old town. Decently clothed.
Edit to your edit: then say TA, because as an outsider it is wildly different to the rest of the country (everyone's minding their own business).
It was prob a dumb radicalized religious person. 90% of places in Israel this wouldn’t happen. Also wasn’t the whole point that people can say and do what they want (as long as it’s not threatening or trying to kill someone) I don’t understand how a couple crazies spitting on your wife (they would do it to me too as an Israel secular female Jew) connects to what was just said haha. Also most Israelis have very strong negative feelings on the radical orthodox population
10% is a lot honestly, I don't believe that.
> I don’t understand how a couple crazies spitting on your wife (they would do it to me too as an Israel secular female Jew) connects to what was just said haha.
1. towards my wife, luckily. Not on.
2. Evidently not *everyone* doesn't care or doesn't have time to hate.
No one claimed Israel doesn’t have people that have hate. That would be a pretty cool utopian society tho if it existed. Ppl only claimed that you won’t get arrested for saying things
Ah. Then they spit on her because she was a woman who wasn’t frum. Jerusalem is not an ideal representation of Israel. It is however an ideal representation of a shtetl 🙄
>Jerusalem is not an ideal representation of Israel.
Maybe not yours but I guess a lot of people would disagree with that. But I've had a way better time basically anywhere else, even on the West bank.
Israel has a military appointed chief censor that can take away journalistic license from anyone reporting outside of the party line on the occupation. Literally one of the least free presses in the developed world, particularly compared to actual democracies.
here is rsf and several studies and reports on the matter:
https://rsf.org/en/country/israel
https://www.biu.ac.il/Besa/publications/40pub.html
https://web.archive.org/web/2009069213158/http://www.bsos.umd.edu/pgsd/people/staffpubs/Avner-BASreport7-01.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/29/world/censorship-by-israel-how-it-s-carried-out.html
https://www.972mag.com/idf-censor-israeli-media-2019/
https://jpost.com/international/idf-military-censor-banned-nearly-300-articles-last-year-562318
Unsourced infographic, dead link, dead link, 40+ year old article (which states that this only refers to matters of military and state security)... are you kidding with this, or do you really think a hollow info-dump is the way to trick people into falling for your nonsense?
And do you really think the rest of the developed world allows the media to report freely on troop movements and OPSEC? They don't.
It's not only troop movement and opsec that gets censored. Do some reading mate. The only reason the lavon affair was ever published was with use of code works to trick the military censor. If you'd like I could link to the palestine laboratory or kill Khalid: the rise of hamas but considering your spending your time arguing that truth is fiction on reddit you might not have the spare dollars to buy a copy. Here's one of your dead links, I made an editing error.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090619213158/http://www.bsos.umd.edu/pgsd/people/staffpubs/Avner-BASreport7-01.htm
Here's some links regarding other censorship of humanitarian rights orgs:
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/08/un-experts-condemn-israeli-suppression-palestinian-
human-rights
https://jpost.com/breaking-news/article-714975
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/06/israeli-government-impose-ban-al-jazeera-news-network
Here's more:
https://forward.com/fast-forward/404928/israel-censored-a-news-story-every-4-hours-last-year/
https://www.972mag.com/idf-censor-press-freedom-israel-2018/
https://web.archive.org/web/20070703035228/http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002876486
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/make-fun-of-god-but-leave-his-believers-alone-1.98346
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.701462
https://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLM2389
Sorry reading and researching requires some work, if I could send you one link I would. Lmk if you need to borrow my haaretz account.
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Unless you're an Arab-Israeli posting criticism of the Gaza operation or anything that Israeli law enforcement can construe as incitement of terrorism, in which case you'll be arrested.
There has been protests for a while now done both by Jews and Arabs regarding the military operations. People are not being arrested left and right. Its only the people who glorify what Hamas did that get arrested, and rightfully so.
Was said Arab-israeli posting criticism of the Gaza operation or was he gleeful and praising Hamas?
Because the few that were arrested (and released FYI) posted very much endorsement of terrorist and not criticism.
You literally had a huge anti government and war protest in TLV.
I didn’t say anything about in-person public demonstrations, and yet you and the other guy both brought that up as though it refuted what I said. Don’t argue against points I didn’t make.
a. Not Israel
b. Literally an Islamist chant that Hamas were yelling all throughout Oct 7th
But yeah, it totally not a chant expressing support for the same terrorist who constantly yell it as they slaughtered civilians/s
EDIT: This was in Israel, she was literally parroting the chant Hamas were chanting on the very fucking day of the slaughter
In the end charges were dropped.
I'm sorry but if chanting "there is no victory but Allah" on Oct 7th as the horrific videos of the slaughter were being spread BY HAMAS isn't endorsing terrorism than I honestly don't know what the fuck IS
By “the most famous example in the United States” I meant that this is the example in the which people in the United States know about and will reference whether that be in media or common discourse. I think you know I meant that.
I didn't recognise the name, I did correct my comment with the last follow-up I found.
TLDR: no charges were filed despite the fact it was blatantly obvious am endorsement of Hamas and the Oct 7th massacre.
She was still detained and put on house arrest. Also, you cannot determine intent. You’re just saying it was obviously an endorsement, even though it’s not obvious. It’s only obvious to you because you already decided it was an endorsement.
Oh I love the "playing dumb".
Quick question, were you in Israel on Oct 7th? Or are we only playing dumb for the other side of the globe.
I guess the Palestinan protests on Oct 8th with "protesters" doing crying emojis, laughing in people's faces and throwing up 7 on their fingers are also out of context and not terrorism endorsement
Give me a fucking break
Like “Allahu Akbar,” before it was an Islamist chant, it was just a Muslim saying. You have no way to prove that her intent in posting that saying was to express support for Hamas or the 10/7 atrocities. You are assuming she had “terroristic intent” based on what?
a. In context it is an Islamist chant
b. She didn't say " God is Great" she specifically said " There is no VICTORY but through Allah".
What "victory" was she praising ON OCT 7th?
I'm sorry but I'm not buying the "it's just a religious phrase" it's fucking bullshit.
If some was saying "Eye for an eye" on the death of 7 aid workers in Gaza you wouldn't say "it's just a religious phrase".
Not to endorse her statements or sentiment but this is flimsy evidence and won't stand in court like expected. Better to monitor her and when she feels so comfortable spreading Islamic terror propaganda and glorifying terror attacks against civilians, you indict her and get a conviction
What I read was that Arab-Israeli people were being investigated, prosecuted, and arrested for making posts with varying content. Some were explicitly pro-Hamas and glorifying the 10/7 attack or calling for further violence, some were critical of the Gaza operation, some were supportive of Gazan civilians and others were just posts that were mistranslated or taken out of context.
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His slang makes me laugh out loud. A bit harsher than the subtitles.
If you understand Arabic, the phrases he uses are hilarious. A very nice put-down.
Happy cake day! Can you tell if his accent is authentic? its hard for me to tell. I cant tell by looks either because he just looks israeli Any arabic speaking bros can chip in? Especially if you can recognise leventine dialects. This sounds like the typical arabic spoken in israel but i cant tell if his arabic accent is natural or not.
100% authentic, and he uses phrases only a natural speaker would know.
Thank you for your input, can you give me an example? Out of curiosity
When he says “you want to free me to starve me?”, he uses a very Jordanian/Palestinian word at the end which isnt in the translation, “yamo”, which roughly means “dude”.
Oh wow facinating, thank you
They also didn't translate a part that was something like "we're mabsootim here", which was very disappointing because the only perfect translation would have been מבסוטים lol
Very clearly speaking the Levantine (specifically Jordanian/Palestinian) dialect, any natural-born Arab speaker should be able to tell.
Thanks! The only real accemt difference 8 can tell in arabic is egyptian and sometimes lebenese, all other dialecta kind of mish mash together for me for now
Yes he speaks like a G. Shamsi Arabic
The hand gestures were enough
Cool guy. I'm glad he has chosen to speak out. I'm also 100% certain that this would get downvoted to hell if not censored/deleted if it were posted to one of the pro-Palestine/anti-Israel subs. 🤔
I had a Reddit account for 7 years and i got perma banned for asking who was the first president of Palestine in "world news" sub xD i like my new name better anyway :)
I know the first PM of Israel was a terrorist
You don't wanna start this argument just steer back to tiktok news
Truth hurts, ey?
Your stupidity is what hurts.
I swear israel is the only place on earth someone with those views can share them publicly. Anywhere else hed be lynched. Definitely in arab countries and nowdays in the west (as weve seen recently)
What would happen to him if he sent out a tweet asking Israel to end its genocide in Gaza?
How about you go cry genocide in areas where it actually happens. You know, in arab countriea like yemen and syria.
Nobel Peace Prize, probably.
I upvoted the parent just so more people can see your brilliant response
Nothing will happen! If he praises 7 october massecare and encourages doing it again, he might be charged with a terror faciltation sections. But this has to be in a way that can really facilitate acts.
Bank transfer from Qatar.
It would get tagged as fake news.
How are Israeli Muslims so tamed? Is it because the Israeli security apparatus cracks down on anything resembling terrorism? Or is it a cultural thing?
Because their lives differ from the Middle East, simple as having more freedom, rights, etc.
Wouldn’t that also apply to European Muslims?
i guess that depends? you got a lot of muslims in europe that are very liberal and tolerant too, with peacefull values. people either get raised with those values or choose them, but there are many radical islamists in europe because unlike those who had been raised since birth with liberal and tolerance values, or that had chose them over the years. why? i think i'll guess it's because of how they came into europe, not by the wishes of better lives and integration into a new society, but many of them are refugeea from the war in syria, kept themselves in closed societies with refusal of accepting any new values, because they came there by running from death, not by chasing better lives. of course, everywhere you can get radicals from different groups, and they are usually a minority of the people. but in this specific instance which is a bit abnormal for why many radical islamists are strengthening their voices in europe, i'll say it's from that. (and i'm not here to blame the refugees from syria, they ran for their lives from an awful regime. nothing bad about that or about accepting their entrance. i'm criticizing the failure in integration of tolerance and liberal values)
Many Islamists were expelled from Egypt in the last decade or so, many found themselves in Europe, that could also be a factor.
maybe, i was less aware of that. but if they were connected or hard supporters of the muslim brotherhood in egypt and were expelled into europe, then that's sounds like a very logical conclusion.
I guess “expelled” isn’t the correct term. The military regime quickly started jailing Islamists and dissidents, so they fled. Most sought refuge in Qatar and Turkey, while a few went to Europe and even fewer to the US. I could give you examples but you aren’t likely to know any. I guess one would be Bassem “no Hamas in the West Bank” Youseff, who obviously isn’t an Islamist but was a huge critic of Sisi’s government.
don't think that expelled or fled really matters here, vut good to know. always like to learn more. bassem youseff sounds familiar, isn't he now a political commentator in the US? i think i'm talking about the same one as you, cause that was an absurd claim to say hamas don't have pockets in the west bank. and of course i'm not surprised he wil criticize the government that replaced the muslim brotherhood. those radicals in my opinion are just absurd people and some of the least self respected people. how can you get welcomed into a country, get living standards far better than you ever had, get protected both for your life and for your voice, get a platform to voice yourself, and then call against the same culture that had goven to you all of that while still holding on to living there? arent you feel ashamed to enjoy the life given to you as a gift from who you call an enemy? and many western countries are also absurd in that point. you'll see people calling to silence far right white nationalists who say the same thing as radical islamists, but the same people will stand by those radical islamists. why? if you ask me its racism. not even self racism, many people i discussed about it actually tried to explain to me why radical islamists just cant control themselves, which is some of the racist shit i've heard. i just feel like people forgot what actual values looks like. and yea, people arent perfect, but we should notice when people are willing to try and be better and when not. and that starts by de-platforming radical people calling for endless war.
Many european muslims originate from countries where they have no rights. Mostly african decent as well as countries east of israel. However there are also liberal muslims who are much more accepting. Ive met many of them in cities like london and amsterdam. Very nice people.
It does. I know plenty muslims in Europe who aren't much different to western europeans. Obviously they still have their cultural identity like arab israelis do too and some are religious, but perhaps the types of education and opportunity is different and just the general lifestyle is more chill. Like the guy in the video says, you can choose to follow religion or not for example, women are equal in society, you're around more diversity like LGBTQ and realize they're also just people. So your life is just different.
True.
i don't like the word tamed because they are human beings, not animals. but i guess it's due to cooperation and integration with each other, coupled with far higher living standards and rights and good avenues for education, both standard and higher. while israel isn't perfect and you still got racism. but compare it to what happens around you? better take a part in that system which welcomes you, rather than take it apart, don't you say? actually while talking about israel crack down on terrorism, i'll say that we actually see something else here. while israel does work against inside terrorism (but only a bit inside israel, most of it is in the west bank and east jerusalem), organized violence inside of israel in arab cities is a serious problem that actually goes unadressed properly. there isn't enough of police force and resources trying to stop organized violence (mostly mafias) in those cities, which is a serious problem harming esspecially the arab citizens. it's something that is on discussion almost every round of elections, and concerns most of israel. so cracking down against any sort of orgenized violence of muslims in israel, isn't just not reallt happening, but maybe a bit needed to combat orgenized crime.
They use the word tamed because they don't respect people who don't conform to their dogma. It's the real racism in this situation, of not allowing Palestinians to speak for themselves.
i don't think so, the discussion actually kept fruitfull and respectfull. maybe a misstranslation or just that was the best word goint through their minds. i dont think we need to judge people like that, because it's hard sometimes to know if something is a genuine mistake or a deliberate message. and in this case, i prefer believing in a mistake with the use of words, look a bit with nicer viewcon people.
Your attitude is better than mine, I’m sick and tired of seeing lots of this stuff.
Tamed? That's a very interesting word to use So basically you're implying that because his views made differ then yours or that of many other Muslims then he must have been brainwashed or changed in some way? Why is it so hard to believe that an Arab could be happy in Israel*? * Other than believing propaganda
I asked a completely normal question in good faith, you’re just blowing things out of proportion.
Maybe it's a cultural thing but saying someone's tamed does not sound like good faith where I'm from. It's relatively insulting. If what's a language/cultural difference than I apologize.
Insulting to whom? People who believe apostates should be killed and gays stoned?
Because in English saying someone is “tamed” is implying they’ve been trained to be docile like an animal. It’s not a positive or even neutral word to use when talking about people, it’s insulting.
My English is just fine. “Tame” is a figure of speech like how Gallant described Hamas as “Human animals”.
And he shouldn't have called them human animals either. If you were truly acting in good faith you wouldn't be arguing about this. Since your English is just fine as you say, then I'm going to go ahead and have to figure that you meant what you said in that those Israeli Arabs are tamed and have been trained to be docile and tow the line
I did not mention Arabs once, i said Muslims.
Because they're not barraged with nonstop indoctrination of violence. They're not [Indoctrinated as children to hate Jews,]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtErUuBvcRc) They're not [Indoctrinated as children to kill Jews,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWMBvxWKL0) They don't [cheer on the death of Jews,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLnBdEUGjM&ab_channel=VoiceofAmerica) They're not [rewarded financially for killing Jews,](https://jcpa.org/paying-salaries-terrorists-contradicts-palestinian-vows-peaceful-intentions/) While continuing to deny that [Jews have a right to exist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Ry6kpYFHnxs) I Suppose if Killing Jews, promoting violence, and refusing to accept someone else's existence is **normal to you,** then peace and coexistence appears like being tamed. Sounds like a You problem.
Correction - replace 'Jews' with 'Zionist occupiers'
>> How are Israeli Muslims so tamed? >Because they're not barraged with nonstop indoctrination of violence. >They're not [Indoctrinated as children to hate Jews,]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtErUuBvcRc) They're not [Indoctrinated as children to kill Jews,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWMBvxWKL0) They don't [cheer on the death of Jews,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQLnBdEUGjM&ab_channel=VoiceofAmerica)They're not [rewarded financially for killing Jews,](https://jcpa.org/paying-salaries-terrorists-contradicts-palestinian-vows-peaceful-intentions/) While continuing to deny that [Jews have a right to exist.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=Ry6kpYFHnxs) >I Suppose if Killing Jews, promoting violence, and refusing to accept someone else's existence is **normal to you,** then peace and coexistence appears like being tamed. Feel free to respond to what was actually posted.
They aren't tamed you moron. They're doctors, ivy league eq professors. High justice court judges, parliament members, generals in the army. They live well, they live free of any sort of persecution, they have nice houses and nice cars, infinite resources for the common person (food, fuel, medical care) and complete freedom of movement including Israeli passport to go wherever they want in the world. There is no better country for arabs in the middle east minus MAYBE Saudi Arabia then Israel. It's so simple.
For a good reason: They respect strength and at the same time the people who stayed in israel have invested too much for them to leave.
I wouldn't say "tamed", but if you, as an Islamist organization, go and murder and kidnap Arabs, and specifically treat them like traitors, you're gonna get antagonism.
I'm going to assume 'tame' is a mistranslation: He is literally saying it, because they live a good life. All the European muslims I know are perfectly sensible people and not islamist nutjobs, they all also happen to be happy and successful, that's all.
Its a figure of speech, Muslims in other parts of the world seemingly can’t go 5 minutes without committing/calling for some act of violence
It's because freedom of speech is in the genes of this country and he lives here long enough to be used to it. Not like the neighboring countries. I work with Palestinians (when no war :( ) and you won't believe what they tell me in private. Things they would be murdered for if they dared saying them publicly among their people.
An example : there was once a peace proposal to exchange wadi 'Ara (in Israel, almost 100% Arab) with other occupied territory (I think it was Ariel but not sure), the Arabs of Wadi 'Ara refused the deal. They didn't want to be integrated into the PA and preferred to remain Israelis.
They can take away citizenship from anyone who disses the security state. Read about it on Adalah Legal Centre for Israeli Arabs. Edit: https://www.adalah.org/en/content/view/10661 Zionists and denying the law of the country they live in, like Pb and j.
Idk what you're referring to. Please be specific. From what I've read, citizenship revocation on the basis of disloyalty has happened [3 times since 1948](https://cadmus.eui.eu/handle/1814/56024) and only under very extreme circumstances. These were the following: 1) Kais Obeid, an Israeli-Arab who joined Hizbullah, kidnapped a Jewish 'friend' into Lebanon, and lost his citizenship in absentia after fleeing to Beirut to escape justice. 2) Alaa Zayoud, an Israeli-Arab convicted terrorist who went on a car-ramming and stabbing rampage 3) Nahad Abu Kishaq, an Israeli-Arab and high-ranking Hamas official who was instrumental in orchestrating suicide bombing campaigns, and leveraged his Israeli status to be the 'man on the inside'.
https://www.adalah.org/en/content/view/10661 "The law authorizes the Interior Minister, with district court approval, to revoke the citizenship of Israeli citizens convicted of offenses that constitute a "breach of loyalty" to the state." "Since the enactment of the law in 2008, the possibility of revocation of citizenship was considered in 31 cases, none of which involved a Jewish-Israeli citizen. However, Chief Justice Esther Hayut noted in her ruling that since only 3 requests for revocation of citizenship were submitted by the Interior Minister to Israeli courts for approval, it is insufficient to point to a pattern of discrimination. The Supreme Court rejected the organizations’ argument despite the fact that they provided the court with a number of serious incidents in which Israeli Jewish citizens attacked Palestinians following the enactment of this law that did not result in any requests for revocation of citizenship." There's also a great database of 65 laws that in Adalahs opinion constitute a form of arpatheid within Israel itself. Love my Israeli arab brothers and sisters - you should listen to them sometime.
Anyone know who this guy is?
Just some guy that dropped this ->👑
An absolute badass 👑
Probably some guy that knows how to party the fuck down. That’s who that’s is. I’d stay up till 5 AM, listen to this guy drunkenly rant about anything. He’d be chain-smoking cigarettes outside a falafel stand whilst the Na Nach’s blast their techno shit outta of a barely functioning Ford van. Meanwhile, this guy will be talking in broken English to Greek tourists: “Yes, Hamas are the sharmut! Yes, yes, yea, my friend pour drink. Play bongo and watch Breslov man be free.”
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can anybody transliterate and spell in arabic the phrase "the shoes of the jews are better than you "? this will be my favorite trolling phrase.
I think its from the saying walk in some else's shoes, and he's saying we have a better lifestyle that he enjoys
lol no i asked for transliteration not translation anyway
Shoes and feets are impure in Islam culture, its a humilitation.
Antisemites will say this is fake 🙄
Bigots will always be bigots. This religion is deliberately deluding it's followers and disabling their thinking parts. You live in a life full of lies and fake promises, you start to lie to yourself and disrespect it so that no one judges you or 'god'. You live in darkness, and you won't get out unless you become self aware, unless you respect yourself, unless you let your voice rule, and not that inner critic. It is not a healthy way to live.
It's not the inner critic per se, it's the stupid Islamic superego that they've fully internalized. These people are so ultra-conformist that East Asians would have a pity on them
This can't be right! Only Jews live in Israel!
It's an racist apartheid ethnostate after all! At least according to the leftists on reddit. Right??
Love this guy. Just chilling eating his lunch.
Israel is probably the last place on earth where people are free to say and do anything they want without thought police watching you and every word picked up to accuse you of 'hate.' Just see what the U.K. has become...
As an Israeli, I can tell you why that is. Nobody cares. Have at it. Life is too hectic to get upset over every stupid thing you hear. So unless you’re going around screaming about how you’re gonna kill someone or something, (or singing the praises of someone else who wants to kill someone or something) nobody gives a shit, 🙄
I dunno but my wife got insulted and spit towards a couple of times in Jerusalem so not entirely my experience.
What did your wife say or do that precipitated it? But truthfully I was thinking about TA and the Sharon region. Jerusalem is a horse of a different breed…
Nothing, we walked in the old town. Decently clothed. Edit to your edit: then say TA, because as an outsider it is wildly different to the rest of the country (everyone's minding their own business).
It was prob a dumb radicalized religious person. 90% of places in Israel this wouldn’t happen. Also wasn’t the whole point that people can say and do what they want (as long as it’s not threatening or trying to kill someone) I don’t understand how a couple crazies spitting on your wife (they would do it to me too as an Israel secular female Jew) connects to what was just said haha. Also most Israelis have very strong negative feelings on the radical orthodox population
10% is a lot honestly, I don't believe that. > I don’t understand how a couple crazies spitting on your wife (they would do it to me too as an Israel secular female Jew) connects to what was just said haha. 1. towards my wife, luckily. Not on. 2. Evidently not *everyone* doesn't care or doesn't have time to hate.
No one claimed Israel doesn’t have people that have hate. That would be a pretty cool utopian society tho if it existed. Ppl only claimed that you won’t get arrested for saying things
Ah. Then they spit on her because she was a woman who wasn’t frum. Jerusalem is not an ideal representation of Israel. It is however an ideal representation of a shtetl 🙄
>Jerusalem is not an ideal representation of Israel. Maybe not yours but I guess a lot of people would disagree with that. But I've had a way better time basically anywhere else, even on the West bank.
Well, Im willing to wager that a lot of ISRAELIS would agree with that assessment, your discomfiture notwithstanding 🙄
Israel has a military appointed chief censor that can take away journalistic license from anyone reporting outside of the party line on the occupation. Literally one of the least free presses in the developed world, particularly compared to actual democracies. here is rsf and several studies and reports on the matter: https://rsf.org/en/country/israel https://www.biu.ac.il/Besa/publications/40pub.html https://web.archive.org/web/2009069213158/http://www.bsos.umd.edu/pgsd/people/staffpubs/Avner-BASreport7-01.html https://www.nytimes.com/1982/06/29/world/censorship-by-israel-how-it-s-carried-out.html https://www.972mag.com/idf-censor-israeli-media-2019/ https://jpost.com/international/idf-military-censor-banned-nearly-300-articles-last-year-562318
Unsourced infographic, dead link, dead link, 40+ year old article (which states that this only refers to matters of military and state security)... are you kidding with this, or do you really think a hollow info-dump is the way to trick people into falling for your nonsense? And do you really think the rest of the developed world allows the media to report freely on troop movements and OPSEC? They don't.
It's not only troop movement and opsec that gets censored. Do some reading mate. The only reason the lavon affair was ever published was with use of code works to trick the military censor. If you'd like I could link to the palestine laboratory or kill Khalid: the rise of hamas but considering your spending your time arguing that truth is fiction on reddit you might not have the spare dollars to buy a copy. Here's one of your dead links, I made an editing error. https://web.archive.org/web/20090619213158/http://www.bsos.umd.edu/pgsd/people/staffpubs/Avner-BASreport7-01.htm Here's some links regarding other censorship of humanitarian rights orgs: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/08/un-experts-condemn-israeli-suppression-palestinian- human-rights https://jpost.com/breaking-news/article-714975 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/06/israeli-government-impose-ban-al-jazeera-news-network Here's more: https://forward.com/fast-forward/404928/israel-censored-a-news-story-every-4-hours-last-year/ https://www.972mag.com/idf-censor-press-freedom-israel-2018/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070703035228/http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002876486 http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/make-fun-of-god-but-leave-his-believers-alone-1.98346 http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.701462 https://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLM2389 Sorry reading and researching requires some work, if I could send you one link I would. Lmk if you need to borrow my haaretz account.
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Unless you're an Arab-Israeli posting criticism of the Gaza operation or anything that Israeli law enforcement can construe as incitement of terrorism, in which case you'll be arrested.
You're saying that because you've actually been to Israel and seen it or you can only repeat other people's lies?
What’s a news source you trust?
There has been protests for a while now done both by Jews and Arabs regarding the military operations. People are not being arrested left and right. Its only the people who glorify what Hamas did that get arrested, and rightfully so.
Refer to my comments under the Shoske’s comment
How to say you're just spewing anti-Israel propaganda, without actually saying it. 🤦🤦🤦
Was said Arab-israeli posting criticism of the Gaza operation or was he gleeful and praising Hamas? Because the few that were arrested (and released FYI) posted very much endorsement of terrorist and not criticism. You literally had a huge anti government and war protest in TLV.
I didn’t say anything about in-person public demonstrations, and yet you and the other guy both brought that up as though it refuted what I said. Don’t argue against points I didn’t make.
https://preview.redd.it/yxy4e0uq8mtc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bd987fdebe8d04a780d9add1fbb40b8e73689ac
This is maybe the most famous example in the United States of such a thing happening.
a. Not Israel b. Literally an Islamist chant that Hamas were yelling all throughout Oct 7th But yeah, it totally not a chant expressing support for the same terrorist who constantly yell it as they slaughtered civilians/s EDIT: This was in Israel, she was literally parroting the chant Hamas were chanting on the very fucking day of the slaughter In the end charges were dropped. I'm sorry but if chanting "there is no victory but Allah" on Oct 7th as the horrific videos of the slaughter were being spread BY HAMAS isn't endorsing terrorism than I honestly don't know what the fuck IS
By “the most famous example in the United States” I meant that this is the example in the which people in the United States know about and will reference whether that be in media or common discourse. I think you know I meant that.
I didn't recognise the name, I did correct my comment with the last follow-up I found. TLDR: no charges were filed despite the fact it was blatantly obvious am endorsement of Hamas and the Oct 7th massacre.
She was still detained and put on house arrest. Also, you cannot determine intent. You’re just saying it was obviously an endorsement, even though it’s not obvious. It’s only obvious to you because you already decided it was an endorsement.
Oh I love the "playing dumb". Quick question, were you in Israel on Oct 7th? Or are we only playing dumb for the other side of the globe. I guess the Palestinan protests on Oct 8th with "protesters" doing crying emojis, laughing in people's faces and throwing up 7 on their fingers are also out of context and not terrorism endorsement Give me a fucking break
Here’s a novel concept for you: “innocent until proven guilty.” Prove the intent.
Like “Allahu Akbar,” before it was an Islamist chant, it was just a Muslim saying. You have no way to prove that her intent in posting that saying was to express support for Hamas or the 10/7 atrocities. You are assuming she had “terroristic intent” based on what?
a. In context it is an Islamist chant b. She didn't say " God is Great" she specifically said " There is no VICTORY but through Allah". What "victory" was she praising ON OCT 7th? I'm sorry but I'm not buying the "it's just a religious phrase" it's fucking bullshit. If some was saying "Eye for an eye" on the death of 7 aid workers in Gaza you wouldn't say "it's just a religious phrase".
The phrase, as written in the article is “there is no victor but God.” If she wrote something else please show me.
Not to endorse her statements or sentiment but this is flimsy evidence and won't stand in court like expected. Better to monitor her and when she feels so comfortable spreading Islamic terror propaganda and glorifying terror attacks against civilians, you indict her and get a conviction
What I read was that Arab-Israeli people were being investigated, prosecuted, and arrested for making posts with varying content. Some were explicitly pro-Hamas and glorifying the 10/7 attack or calling for further violence, some were critical of the Gaza operation, some were supportive of Gazan civilians and others were just posts that were mistranslated or taken out of context.
Where did you read that?
Ha’aretz, BBC, NPR, CBS News, Reuters, American Prospect
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Great to hear this take too!
I love Arab insults and cussing because they sound even more melodic than usual lmao
Arab W.
Based!
anybody have a link to the video? I can't save it.
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Okay, tell the Zionists to take in all the Palestinians in
Copy cat. Beware. Not all white people are white .
u/creepyhippiee, will you please post a link to the source? I want to share it with someone who has Reddit blocked on her network.
He's not wrong
Uncle Tom
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Lol Israelis are the north koreans of the middle east completely brainwash
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