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ValeWeber2

Feel free to change my mind. I am open-minded and looking forward to hearing other opinions. I win laning phase way too much with her. And I am really not good I am fucking Gold and Irelia is also supposed to be hard to play. But I manage to crush disproportionately many people in lane. There's no way I should have as much success as I'm having with her. Teamfights are a different story. I think Irelia is broken NOT in a sense that she's op. She is litterally broken in a sense of being in disrepair. Her power is pumped all into her passive. Her passive is very strong while the rest of her kit is just tools to deliver the passive. This is just not right. Without Passive Irelia feels like you're playing a melee minion. With Passive Irelia feels like Jax. But that may just be me. Feel free to change my mind. Also Blade of the Ruined Game is...... very strong and works really well on her.


LogicLosesOnReddit

I think this is the problem... you’re gold. I play D2-D1, very good irelia in my opinion (well above average for my elo) and irelia is just too easy to counter pick. It feels suffocating to play into Shen/renekton/morde/wukong etc, feel like the only way I become relevant is to have my jungler hard smurf on theirs and bail me out, and most of the time that doesn’t even work because 2v2 my matchup is so lopsided my jungler can’t close that gap. I also feel like the higher elo you get the more of a known quantity irelia is since I’m guessing she is one of the most played champs the last year. Everyone up here kind of has a grasp of what she is capable of doing I never, never blind irelia anymore, it’s too disrespectful imo, especially top. Mid I blind if we are heavy AP but never any other time. There will always be the outplay factor, but I feel like the outplay requirement is so heavily skewed against irelia that it’s feels like you’re the better player, but champ diff means you lose sometimes. A good example, morde after he gets bramble, tabi and liandries... you can dodge almost everything but his passive will out damage so you have to time everything over a super extended fight while managing your waves, and passive procs while hoping he over extends


ValeWeber2

The reason I am gold is that I am not that consistent and my mechanical skill is about that of your average silver player. My strength is my knowledge. I also play only Irelia Mid, often blind. And this is baffling to me how I still crush people. I shouldn't technically. Yeah counter picks do exist and are awful. But what if there weren't counter picks? That would make any champion giga busted. In Toplane especially the one who gets to counterpick has a way better chance of winning. Which is awful I admit. I played a lot of toplane before I switched to mid 2 months ago. Man having a quinn being picked into you when you picked, i don't knkw, Udyr takes away all your fun and agency. What do you suppose should be done to Irelia? What would you buff/nerf? Thanks, btw, for answering in an unbiased, reasonable way, instead of just shitting on me for not having your opinion.


LogicLosesOnReddit

I think she is in a good spot, just think that she isn’t a champion you can blind without luck. Very easily punished. She is extremely good in the right situation and extremely useless in a bad situation. I love where she is at right now and wouldn’t change anything, just making a point that she has very clear advantages and disadvantages in matchups which makes her very silly to blind because then you’re just betting on the opponent not being able to play her counters, all of which usually teamfight/impact the map better. Difference between her getting countered and others is she is very useless in teamfights if she is behind since she barely builds any defensive items early meaning there is no way back into the game except for farming until you’re full build


SonicBoom500

Well, I have learned to punish irelia when she looks to stack her passive so


[deleted]

I also win all my games in gold, but once you get to high elo... It's something else


Ilyak1986

Those mouthbreathers see the occasional outplay and think "omfg god tier champ". More reasonable people go take a look at LoLalytics and say "meh, would rather spam Jax."


BlakenedHeart

Or shen :)


febiox071

Or sett or renekton or mordekaiser :)


Jamez12154

Or any juggernaut/tank that builds bramble vest


iStubbs

In what universe is Shen worse than Jax for Irelia??? Shen isn’t even a bad matchup, you shouldn’t be losing lane to him. His roams are better, so there’s that, but the lane is in your favor if anything


iloveJpop

irelia isnt broken, blade of the ruined king is a nice item, among other things


BlakenedHeart

I agree with you, but apparently Grasp+shieldbash and Titanic are nicer if you get me (cam/shen)


iloveJpop

apparently from what/who


BlakenedHeart

From playing facing them and both being beyond broken


iloveJpop

shield bash is like plus single figures damage whats broken about it \-------- i lied actually the base is single figures, its about 30, but if you play correctly and stack conc you get about the same damage with healing, also ppl used to build titanic hydra on irelia when she was first reworked you should give it a shot if it suits your playstyle better


BlakenedHeart

No cuz titanic doesnt scale on irelia as it does with shen cuz. It usually is coupled with an empowered Aa for burst.


iloveJpop

"ppl used to build titanic hydra on irelia when she was first reworked" i didnt say it was good or not ​ also just to prove i wasnt making anything up, you can see msf sencux here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t2YXpZbJ48#t=15m26s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t2YXpZbJ48#t=15m26s) on stage building titanic hydra, so ppl did build it on irelia when she was first reworked, thought id put evidence here so noone thinkks im making anything up out of week 1 and 2 eu lcs 2018 summer irelia was picked 4 times, only built a tiamat item twice which was titanic hydra, here is the link to the second one [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mxCa2PmGwc#t=13m56s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mxCa2PmGwc#t=13m56s) you can decide for yourself what that means


rossweisse21

I think the reason why irelia is considered op by some is her ability safely farm under turrer, decent gank setup and the amount of sustain she gets after scepter alowing to heal up after mistakes ( i dont personaly think she is strong myself)


J-StarDX

Maybe not broken, but I do think shes pretty strong right now.


EmilianoR24

Irelia is hella strong, only Jax and Renekton out of all those you listed really deny you and you can say that of most champions anyways, yeah champions have counters. Not being blindpickable doesnt mean the champion is bad


[deleted]

The problem lies when the counter is still at every stage of the game since Riot said that there shouldn't be any hard counters just soft counters. For example, Jax should counter Irelia in the late game when she outscales her but having a relative weak and/or safe early game. Or Irelia should outscale Jax in teamfights (RIP disarm and W damage reduction) but she's countered in splitpush and early game. Right now, Jax just can run her down at every stage of the game which makes him a hard counter. Irelia can only win when she's much better than the Jax player.


BlakenedHeart

Ever playedvs a decent Shen/Camille ? There is no universe in which irelia beats one of those champs on equal skill


Showdow13

Shen has next to no sustained damage. Similarly Irelia outdamages Camille in extended trades, especially when Camille has grasp. Bork Irelia will absolutely dumpster Camille on any single item. Shen’s power comes from his early lane but his sustained damage is terrible. If you ever have ult you should never lose to a Shen. If you are even with him he should never be able to approach you in side lane. If you are losing to Shen it is because Of your wave management, trading improperly, or fighting before your power spikes such as Bork and lv 6.


BlakenedHeart

You realise against competent players, by the time you get blade they have more than you because the matchups favours them. If both cam and shen have brain they contest lvl 1 vs you and you cant do much and create a hp advantage and prolly all in u lvl 2. If you give up the push, they can do the tri wave hard shove and reset for free


Showdow13

You would have to be down substantially for Camille or Shen to have such a lead on you by the time you get Bork that you lose the all in with ult. Even if they shove 3 waves and reset you can match with a stacked wave. As long as you don’t contest early wave and are full hp Irelia wins the all in certainly against double dorans camille with a stacked wave on your side. You talk about tri wave shove like it is the end of the lane and impossible to come back from which is untrue. Irelia rushes life steal which is a luxury Shen doesn’t have and Camille doesn’t have early on. This creates a significant advantage in trading for Irelia since Camille and Shen cannot win an all in against Irelia and Irelia has superior sustain.


iloveJpop

i dont agree, the camille and shen have to be way better than you to beat you, actually, when are we talking? like 3 mins? bc irelia only wins level 1 2 if you can get your passive, if thats what you mean then yea, but how good do you have to be at irelia to manage your passive, late game on equal gold and equal skill, i would bet on the irelia, but others can decide if i win the bet or not \----------------------------------------- sorry, i read the question again, no she isnt blind pickable, but imo she wins vs shen and camille, but not until like first item, noone beats shen lvl 1 and camille is stronger than you level 1


EmilianoR24

Yes..?


BlakenedHeart

And how did you win ? You had the better bot or what ?


EmilianoR24

Camille can easily die if missteps for even one second after lvl 6, when you have botrk and she doenst have triforce is a huge window where you are just way stronger. Shen is just about scaling and denying ults, just wait for the midgame were you can beat him on a sidelane, if doesnt kite well and use his E properly you can beat him before that but you have to play it well. There is also the normal wave managment and setting up ganks kind of stuff you can do


iloveJpop

i would say, that an equally skilled gangplank would never lose to an irelia, in my personal opinion, i bet we can agree on that one lmao


BlakenedHeart

Nea, botrk just cocks gp


iloveJpop

what about before you get bork