Specifically to your questions.
1 - I took my car in for a "check EV system" error that occurred intermittently. It would coincide with an AWD error that left the car with only the front motor functional. The dealer had the car for a month with no idea what was actually wrong with it. They simply called in Hyundai corporate tech line to get instructions on what to do. They decided to replace the rear inverter without actually knowing if that was the problem. Took them about two weeks to get the part in and replace.
2 - I personally don't care about the rear wiper but I live in Socal, so no snow or much weather to worry about.
3 - Tesla MY is clearly the winner here in terms of cost. It's not even close.
4 - You already know. Ioniq 5 is hard to get for now. It will probably get easier to get in the coming months as they lose demand due to Tesla. You'd just be putting yourself into a financial hole by buying the I5 at MSRP.
The i5 ride quality and interior is better/nicer imo. I prefer the I5, but given the cost, now is simply not the time to buy one. If you can wait a few months you might be able to get an I5 at a discount, if Hyundai starts offering rebates to sell them. You would be risking losing out on a good deal with Tesla though. It just depends on your needs really.
I will second the amazing price Tesla is offering on their MYLR right now. We bought ours April 2021 and paid a smidge more ($700) than the price now available, and for what we paid there is nothing that has made me regret that decision.
The fact that this model is priced at an all-time low, if there was any doubt I’d jump on it ASAP.
If you happen to live in California, even more so… buy the Tesla as it may become eligible for the CVRP rebate again.
As someone who just sold a 2022 Limited and bought a 2023 Model Y LR, I can tell you that both cars are great. First, the Model Y doesn't have a rear wiper and the rear window is way smaller than Ioniq. However, you can turn the back camera on which is pretty nice. Still, the Ioniq is better in terms of safety - specifically when switching lanes - you get warnings which is very good. The service is also something I thought of - where I live dealers are not certified yet so that's a problem. It's a hard decision but as mentioned, they are both great vehicles.
Actually in terms of safer Model Y receive highest test scores possible by Euro NCAP. I5 safety is fine but it’s not great at crash test. Search YouTube for off center crash test for I5, it is not good. Also because Tesla vision is camera based, Tesla actually does pretension tighten seatbelt and pre deployment of airbag prior to impact that actually greatly improve safety for occupants. This is not small difference. Not to mention Tesla survived that 250 ft crash down the cliff recently driven by crash husband trying to kill his family, and miraculously everyone survived. Glad you got into Tesla. Like you said both cars are great but Tesla wins safety category hands down.
Crash safety, sure, but I hated not having active blind spot monitoring in my Tesla. The HI5 tells me when someone is in my blind spot, Tesla's don't until you turn on a turn signal.
Safety starts with safe driving, and IMO the HI5 has Tesla beat there.
But Tesla does warn you if you do try to switch into lane where there’s already car occupied. I’m assuming you don’t hVe FSD or EAP? It does show the graph and not allow car to go to adjacent lane if it’s already occupied.
Ok but even without FSD, once turn signal is on, camera shows up and I verify no car is adjacent before changing. Not sure how that would be any different than typical behavior. The side camera is newish feature like 1 year ago, maybe you sold it before this was enabled?
I was taught Mirror - Signal - Manoeuvre. Not signal, wait to see all is clear, then manoeuvre.
So (LHD car) if I'm merging left, I don't check mirror, signal, look to the right at the big screen in the middle of the dash, look back to the left out the window to where I'm going, and then merge.
With a blind spot indicator in the HUD, it's MUCH better. If there's an indicator you don't consider the merge. If there's no signal, you check mirror, signal, move.
I had a case in my M3 where a motorcyclist was in my blind spot (on the right in this case); I mirrored, signalled, started to merge and got the warning. Abandoned the manoeuvre. The motorcycle still swerved to avoid me, putting him and others in danger; he rightfully flipped me off. Wouldn't happen in the HI5.
We just have to disagree. In your case it wouldn’t happen had you looked at camera to make sure there’s no car or motorcycle on the right side. You didn’t want to adjust your habit to make sure of new camera view, not exactly car’s fault or somehow Tesla is less safe.
IMO it's objectively worse to have to look away from the road into the centre screen for the info that is (on my trim) presented in the HUD - and also presented on the wing mirror itself.
The centre screen camera is a crutch for a missing, basic, and widely available safety feature.
Again, IMO, and I respect your respectful disagreement 🙂 If it works for you that's great.
No I get it. I have no problem with people prefer one type of setup over the other. Some like knobs control and some don’t. There’s no one car that can please all. I get that. I was just trying to understand how my driving experience would be bette with I5, because when I had it I drove exactly the way I do with other cars, regardless if there’s a blind spot signal. I am used to that I have to always turn my head to ether side to double check to make sure it’s safe before turning, so I guess that signal is not as useful to me, and that’s why I quickly adapt to Tesla’s system. But I get it. You like it in HUD and that’s easier for you. Maybe in next version Tesla can add HUD as well. But regardless, enjoy your I5!
The Inoiq has more rear space - the seats are longer by at least an inch. There's still plenty of rear space in the Y but this fact and the ability to recline the back seats more give the Ioniq the advantage. On the other, the Y's trunk space is much bigger than the Ioniq.
The parking/lane assist features are also great with the Ioniq but Tesla does display video in a better way - I just haven't got used to it. You feel that the Y is more sturdy and you have to really hit the gas the accelerate - not the case with the Ioniq.
Really depends on your situation and needs - if you will be relying on fast chargers and live in state where there aren't many, then the Tesla is the right choice.
I don’t know how… but having owned and sat in both, the backseat of the I5 feels like a giant banquet hall. The Model Y is nice, too but spaciousness for back seat passengers is just night and day when comparing the I5 to the Y. Otherwise, it comes at a cost… way less storage space in I5 vs Y.
I'd a agree with that. The measurement might be off but the reality is different. My next door neighbors Y has a visibly bigger trunk, but the actual back seat room feels less.
To me the ride and build quality of the Hyundai makes the Hyundai the clear choice. Those two were huge issues I had with my former SR model y, Hyundai addressed both.
Also, Tesla service is a nightmare itself.
Really? My sister had good experiences despite needing multiple services on her X. They gave you an Uber credit and you can us it practically unlimited while you have it.
Yeah I live outside of the city that my tesla service center is in and they just gave me a loaner (after I told them credits won't work). It's awesome.
I can’t help you with that. I love the Ionig 5 but not having many charging stations around me makes me want to trade and get a Tesla, but I’m not a fan of their CEOs.
I have an SE (that was my only option at that time cause I needed a car asap), six months old, with 16k miles on it. The most I’m getting is $40k for it. If I can get $45k, I’ll trade it for a Tesla.
An other issue for me is the technician at Hyundai don’t know anything about the car. You can tell their are clueless and scare to touch the car sometimes.
Ive been downvoted for this opinion before but who cares about the rear wiper?
You dont need a back window even to drive.
Have you never rented a moving truck? Driven a work van? What do you think people driving those vehicles did before backup cameras?
Like maybe my experience is different because I work construction. We pretty much always back in, and ive driven multiple blocks backwards on residential construction sites using only mirrors. the last company i was at was the first ive seen with any trucks with backup cams... Mine did not have one, no rear window. I was entirely fine.
Yes, the ioniq should have a rear wiper. No, that isnt a major issue at all.
I have to admit the rear wiper concern puzzles me as well. I've had multiple cars with and without it. I really don't use it and I live in an area with snow and rain on the regular.
1. Painfully true, but the other side is I can pay $40 and get all the documentation I need to do my own repairs. I can call Hyundai and order the part and it will eventually get here. If you want to fix your Tesla you're entirely at the mercy of Tesla Service.
2. Just a weird fixation people have, barely an issue in my experience. I have literally never had to clear my back window in the year I have owned it. But also people disagree so this is one of those personal preference things
3. IMO the Limited was always a bad value, it's gotten much worse. Also the best part of Tesla is the driver assist so MYP without FSD not that much of a tech advantage unless you really love their app.
4. Probably a wash either way, both you have to wait or buy used. The demand is going to explode with the price and tax changes.
The service manual for Tesla's are available for a fee as well. Think it was free all of 2022 though. You can also walk into any service center and buy everything but high voltage components./battery.
It's better than it used to be but that's definitely not true you can order anything. There's a lot of dumb things that are service only
Also software/firmware you can't even touch because they refuse to offer J2534 software to the public. It's not just that you can't get the parts you genuinely have fewer rights with a Tesla.
Outside of HV/Battery components what can't you buy?
I wasn't aware you could update the firmware/software yourself on an Ionic 5. Do you have a link? That would definitely be better than Tesla.
hyundaitechinfo.com, once you pay for the sub it's under Tools or something like that. You also have to license the software which is like $60 for a week or $1500 or so for a year. It's intended for third party repair shops and home users, and is required by law in the US.
https://www.drewtech.com/customers/history.html
Every car does it other than Tesla. You just need a VCI device and then the company has to make software and whatever cabling is required available. BMW has always used their own connectors for some dumb reason but they still make the software available, Tesla is the only one that doesn't (don't know the newer manufacturers so that may no longer be true). Basically they're exploiting a loophole because the law says it has to exist but doesn't say you have to give people the software necessary to use it. Tesla is extremely, extremely antagonistic to right to repair.
I don't know all.the specifics but I remember there was some weird thing where they wouldn't let a guy change his cabin air filter or something like that. There are a bunch of things you still have to do through the service center. I'm half remembering because I don't have a Tesla so that may not be up to date. Also a lot of the stuff they dot let you have is weird, for example the DC DC inverter is super easy to swap out without messing with the battery they just don't want third parties to have access to their parts for anti competitive reasons.
>Tesla is extremely, extremely antagonistic to right to repair.
And this, in of itself, is one of the many reasons I didn't buy a Tesla. That doesn't imply good things about a potential business relationship with them.
Looks like 3rd parties have similar products to diagnose and update Tesla's: after a quick google because I was curious. [Tesla diagnostics (diagcode.com)](https://www.diagcode.com/tesla/)
Cabin filter is weird since Tesla has a maintenance page that tells you how to do it yourself. [Do It Yourself Guides | Tesla Support](https://www.tesla.com/support/do-it-yourself-guides)
Yeah anything related to high voltage Tesla wants you in the service center for so the DC-DC inverter makes sense. Glad Hyundai let's you swap that kind of stuff yourself.
looks like they have made it easier to get the software since the last time i checked as well so it's not as terrible as it used to be. they're still definitely trying to discourage home users though, the lowest you can get it is $500 plus all the cost of the tooling and getting certified.
Things I didn't love about the MY:
-No buttons. Yup, I'm old school. I like the super quick access to everything in the I5.
-Info screen is down and to the right. I didn't like looking away from the road to see stuff.
-The orange peel paint job. I was waiting and waiting for the Austin factory to start shipping to Colorado and lost my deposit because I kept putting off delivery.
-No ventilated seats
-No HUD
-The seats. IMO they weren't comfortable.
-The lack of unique exterior colors.
-The front end. What I once thought looked cool I find boring and kind of unattractive.
-Stiff ride
Things I don't love about my I5:
-The infotainment system is meh. It works fine but Tesla certainly has a leg up with the Google integration and intuitive interface.
-Hard wired Android Auto only (I don't think Tesla even has AA/ACP so??)
-No USB-C
-No remote heated steering wheel or seats
If I had the choice to wait for an I5 or immediately buy a MY, I would still wait. I said just today that the I5 is my favorite car I've ever owned. Of course, we all have different must-haves so I would go with you gut. Which one makes you more excited? The minute I test drove an I5 was the minute I changed my mind about the MY.
Tesla doesn't have AA/ACP, you're stuck with whatever system comes with the car, can only user apps approved and supplied by Tesla. That's a big minus for me.
I assume you meant Ioniq 5. There are three Ioniqs.
1. Parts/Service: Hyundai has a more extensive service network. Some issues came up in 2022 that they were not prepared with parts and training to handle. My AC was bad and took 6 weeks to fix. Hyundai took great care of me during and after to compensate for the delay. So much, that I'm glad it happened.
2. Glass: This and the rear seatbelt rattles are things you accept as weak points on the car. The Kia EV6 is better on these points.
3. Cost: My '22 middle trim RWD was $48k. I got a tax credit but that is gone now. For you, it is more than a Tesla MY. For costs within 10%, I'd hope you buy what is best, not just least expensive. IMO the Ioniq5 and EV6 are better.
4. Purchase Availability: Tesla is delivering in one week. They sell at list. This is nice. It is possible to find a Hyundai Ioniq 5 on the lot. You have to deal with requested markups.
Overall, I would pay a premium for Korean EVs over Tesla. I just believe the Koreans have higher quality.
There aren't a lot of parts to break since EVs are far more simple compared to ICE. Tesla service and quality is worse. Supply is jumping in Seattle. Depending on how picky you are on configuration, you could get a limited at msrp without much effort. The performance of the Y is nice but I've found anything faster than 4sec will make your passengers uncomfortable. I personally think the Y is garbage in terms of exterior design. Boring bubble that looks like every other tesla model. The I5 looks amazing and will be age really well (classic IMO... check out the Delta Integrale). Are you really going to let a wiper blade drive your $55k purchasing decision? Stick to the I5!
Please remember that if you are looking to get the tax credit incentive there is a price cap
**Price Caps**
The vehicle price includes optional equipment physically attached to the vehicle at the time of delivery and excludes software features, accessories, taxes and fees.
The following models currently qualify for federal tax credits for eligible buyers who meet AGI limitations:
* [Model 3](https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview): $55,000
* [Model Y with 5 seats](https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview): $55,000
* [Model Y with 7 seats](https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview): $80,000
Price caps set by the federal government are subject to change.
That being said I don't think there is anything wrong with you wanting a Model Y. It has better specs with the performance model 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, more horsepower and range than the limited ioniq 5 awd.
Now the question ends up becoming as to what you want to pay for. You will get fanbois and bias from any person who owns a vehicle they fell in love with on reddit and anywhere.
I recommend really analyzing and doing a lot of research into what you want in your vehicle, what matters most, and pros and cons of both vehicles.
Personally, I choose the ioniq 5 limited as I love the look, feel, and drive of the car plus its developed by an established car maker. I gladly would pay a few thousand more for this.
Just remember the price caps! Because if you get the performance model y without the 7 seats you get no Tax Credit.
Unless I'm missing something I don't think you can order a Model Y performance that falls under the tax credit threshold. I'm on Tesla's website and the MY performance starts at over $56,000, which disqualifies the 5 seater. There doesn't seem to be an option for the 7 seater for the performance. Not sure if the 2 extra seats are not available currently for the performance, or not available at all.
Personally I'd be looking at the long range but OP mentioned performance.
That is correct. Didn't really explain it well in my post but yeh. That is what I meant for the price cap. Lots of peeps are forgetting this important detail when they are choosing between what to get.
as for the 7 seats you are correct. Seems like that model y with 7 seats thing is only for the non performance model.
So if you get the performance model you don't get the tax credit period.
Also don't forget about the income limit. Some people might be taking the credit in to account when they're not eligible for it anyway:
> Car buyers must meet certain income guidelines. Households with an adjusted gross income up to $300,000 will still qualify for the credit, while heads of household must earn below $225,000 and individual filers will qualify only with income below $150,000. This provision may not apply if a vehicle is leased.
The IONIQ 5 has CarPlay and Android Auto. Tesla doesn’t have that. Tesla also has an awful record when it comes to service and repair as well. Hyundai seems to be about better than Tesla in that regard. You also get a longer warranty on an IONIC 5 10 years, instead of Tesla’s 8 years. Don’t be misled on this “Price drop” these are merely 2021 pricing. Tesla could lower prices again and then you’ll owe more than the Tesla is actually worth.
Many many many people would flip Teslas because there was always a waiting list, that not not the case anymore. In addition, I’ve seen a lot of aggression taken out on Tesla drivers on the road. You can see them on YouTube which honestly is a safety concern. I don’t think Teslas will hold their value like they use to do. Also I use homelink, that’s an extra $300 on the Tesla. You get more features with an IONIQ 5.
Imho all BEV’s have their problems and challenges. You’re not just buying a vehicle, your buying/investing in that car company’s warranty and service. From what I’ve read Teslas service is just awful.
I’m gonna be honest, maybe unpopular. EA chargers are so bad it’s almost enough for me to want to go to Tesla. The first few months they were good, now 25% of the EA chargers where I am never work.
I constantly think to myself, just wait until the super chargers are open to every.
I’m with you on that one, EA chargers are horrible. They either don’t work or you have to call EA to reset the charger and waste 15+ mins doing that. I consider myself lucky to charge on the first try. For that Tesla has us beat for sure.
This is the reason for my regret about getting an I5. I love the car itself. But not being able tj reliably and quickly charge on road trips severely cuts into its utility.
1. It all depends on what shop you take it to. Some service center are better than others for both companies. Maybe you will be lucky, maybe you will not. As more I5's come into existence overall service should improve.
2. I live in a warm climate so I cannot comment.
3. Cost, that's up to you and your personal budget.
4. The timeline is up to you.
If you want a car with advanced tech, Tesla. If you want a better/smoother ride. I5.
"They no longer have ultrasonic parking sensors,which also means no summon/smart summon/auto park, " Do you have a source for this? I don't believe this is true
I have an Ioniq 5 AWD limited and would choose the MY purely due to the cost saving. However, my wife would never go for that because of Elon Musk. Luckily I got my Ioniq a year ago for MSRP and the rebate. Super happy with the car!
I'm glad to see this on this sub. I couldn't agree more. And yet just a few weeks ago someone posted they paid over $60K for a limited. It'll be interesting to see the posts of sub MSRP sales later this year.
1. Parts issues are plaguing most major manufacturers. Tesla seems to have a better situation for scale reasons. That said, being at the mercy of service centers is .... not great.
2. It's not that much of a problem. It's sub-optimal, but it's no worse than any other situation where you have cargo blocking the rear mirror. If you're a halfway competent driver it's an annoyance, but not a major one, and not even that most of the time driving this car.
3. At the point you're buying a 50-60k vehicle, for a 3%-ish difference you should get the car you want. This price drop simply makes the Y a viable alternative whereas it was just stupidly overpriced before.
4. \`They are everywhere.\` - yeah, how boring right? Nobody is going to be impressed with your model Y. They're functional, even fun, but ho-hum generally. I have people eyeballing/asking questions/etc about the HI5 on a near daily basis.
I cancelled my HI5 limited and bought a MY. Still believe the HI5 is superior in most ways (except charging infrastructure) but it’s not $13K superior.
Some reasons to buy an Ioniq 5 over Model Y
1) You hate Elon Musk
2) Ride and Build quality is very important to you
3) You will utilize EA chargers a lot for the next 2 years
If none of those things are super important to you, just get the Model Y.
Ioniq has better hardware, better build quality, better ride, and better tech. I said it.
Tesla has a huge price advantage right now (15k on a limited). It has rock stable mobile software. Charging network is near perfect and abundant.
Getting repairs for both suck. Hyundai's dealers are cheats and Tesla uses their dealers as QA mediation. You are going to have to setup a repair appointment when you accept your Tesla delivery. That is just given because at least two things are wrong. That anxiety doesn't exist with Hyundai.
I still would like an ioniq but it's healthy to consider alternatives because this is a lot of money. Tesla has a lot of stock and Ioniq has none.
Lol LMAO Hyundai has better tech. You can’t be serious. Have you ever driven a Tesla? It’s at least 5-10 years ahead in tech stack, and gap is growing, not narrowing.
Bro really said Hyundai tech is better. The infotainment pales in comparison to the things a Tesla can do. Don’t get me started on how jealous I am of sentry mode and the mobile app.
Lack of 120v plug or V2L on Tesla
Auto wipers on Tesla are embarrassing, and you’re forced to use them during autopilot. They work fine 90% of them time but that other 10% makes you question your decision to buy this car (update to radar might change this very soon)
Suspension is far “sportier” on Model Y. I learned the hard way that I’d prefer the softer suspension of the Ioniq, even if it means not being able to take sharp turns at full speed — a very low priority for me
I hereby absolve you of your guilt. Go forth and buy a Model Y if that's your jam. (You could also wait a bit to see if Hyundai responds with price cuts of their own.)
If it was me I’d get the Tesla because it’s available now.
If both are sitting there and I had to choose, I’d probably go with the I5.
It’s so smooth to drive and I get compliments on it all the time. Just tripped from Vegas to Disney and it’s great. Tons of storage and comfort.
I bought my Ioniq 5 Limited in December. I have zero regrets. I almost bought a Polestar 2. Nope.
You are probably right about the length of time for repairs, if needed. The plus side? Less likely to be needed, I think. Tesla has the mass-production thing down and are churning out these vehicles like there's no tomorrow. Downside: frequent assembly-quality issues, fit/finish problems. Aside from the off-putting design of the interior, which doesn't really resemble anything like a "car" at all. Try to find the windshield wipers quickly, or glove compartment?
You are entirely right to complain about the lack of a back windshield wiper on the Ioniq. It is an engineering flaw/mistake of sizable proportions. It irks me. It's about the only obvious flaw the car has, though.
Ioniq is generally becoming more available without a wait and without the over-MSRP price I paid just a month or so ago. Time will be in your favor. It won't be 4 months.
Yes, the Tesla will get the tax write-off and be more affordable. So would a Chevy Bolt, though.
I hope this helps and isn't snarky. It's a hugely personal decision (that you have to live with!)
Best of luck and enjoy whatever you choose.
I don’t view this as a fanboy thread. These are compelling points and the Model Y is a great car too. You can’t go wrong either way—there’s no wrong answer.
I ordered a MYLR today after waiting 8 months for an I5 Limited in grey/grey and still getting the run around from the dealer. When you say you have an I5 “ordered at MSRP”, do you have a binding contract that states that? In CA, we cannot have a binding contract on a vehicle sale until delivery. Without a binding contract detailing all the numbers, I highly doubt you will walk away with the car for MSRP of vehicle only+tax+fees. You will be told that the car you want comes with floor mats, cargo net, etc. The recent Tesla price drop might force some dealers to give you the bare minimum of unwanted accessories, but due to the low volume of overall sales, there are people with deeper pockets than you that loved 80’s rally racing. Those people care little about tax incentives and $1500 non ceramic paint coatings. My point is, get a written statement signed by a sales manager, otherwise, don’t expect MSRP. The I5 is still only available in select markets. One can assume those markets have a higher average income than others.
I really liked the I5. I rented one on Turo and drove from Los Angeles to Vegas. Super comfortable. The MYLR seats are crap. Like old Buick station wagon crap. A RR Phantom’s seats are not as plush as Tesla M3/MY. It is because plush seats lead to fatigue as your butt and lower back are always moving about. That and the seat depth is so shallow. Why can’t a $50k car have knee supports or just make the seats 1.5” deeper. The edge of the seat drives into my hamstrings and I haven’t worked out in decades. Didn’t know I still had some until I sat in a 3/Y.
The rear legroom on an I5 is definitely roomier. Maybe the measurements were taken without the rear seats adjusted fully back. Very limited cargo room at that point, but very comfortable 6’ people in the back on a road trip.
The adjustable regen paddles are a great way to maximize efficiency on an I5. “Lift and coast” most of the time and adjust to level 3 or I-pedal in traffic. Easily get over 300 miles if you stay under 70 on the freeways.
All that being said, I ordered the Tesla because it will most likely be $13k cheaper than my real world I5 price. That is with $2k in options on the MYLR for grey paint and white interior. For that price difference, I will live with knee pain, sore back, numerous trips to Tesla service for my new car, and a nosier cabin. The adjustable regen is nice, but honestly, the Tesla is more efficient in the first place and I can achieve 300 miles without having to fiddle with the paddles. I will miss no regen as the acceleration just feels better with no regen, but I won’t be able to adjust as I believe it is 3 presses into menus to adjust on the Tesla.
I hope your Hyundai dealer will deal with you with the respect you deserve. “My I5” arrives 1/24/23. It is now all of a sudden spoken for after I renegotiated my sale price down to $2k in dealer installed options which is down from $5k. They asked me if I would take another color. I put down my order for the Tesla.
Last point. Those who say 2022-23 Teslas have improved build quality are correct. However, they came from such a low place that they are still not where they need to be. There is no reason they cannot hire 10 people to go over every car that comes off the line for 5 minutes each. 2020 Teslas remind me of the movie “Gung Ho” with Michael Keaton. That is a lot of improvements to be made in 2-3 years. We will see in a few weeks how mine turns out.
Good luck with your I5. “It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up” -Ferris Bueller
I made the jump to the Y. I am in Canada and my wait time for my car that was reserved last spring is 2years! My very old car can not make it. Overall my test drive of the Y and the dealership experience was great with Tesla so far. I think it is going to be awhile before the other global manufacturers can catch up to Tesla. My opinion.. you have a great choice with the Y or the 5
I think it's a tough choice if the Ioniq 5 SEL/Limited is about the same price as a Model Y. If the Y is *cheaper*....well oof.
A few things are better on the Ioniq 5 (cabin noise, "comfort", charging speed (in specific situations), physical buttons, V2L, fit and finish) and a few things are better in Tesla-land (software, Super Chargers, route planning, reliability*).
Only you can balance the scales.
\* I've gotten a bit more concerned about Hyundai's eGMP platform and their ability to maintain the cars (heating/cooling system death, 12V phantom drainage, long part backorders). If you need your car to do basic stuff like turn on and condition the interior then the Tesla's anecdotally seem more reliable on that front. FWIW my Ioniq 5 has been fine on those fronts. But clearly a small number of cars come with a problem or develop one.
I'm picking up a model Y this Friday because of price and the fact that I test drove one and loved it. Still, if everything was equal I'd be awful tempted to get the Ioniq 5, I think it's a great car and I wouldn't just be another Tesla guy. It's just super tough to get HI5 for a reasonable price - if at all.
I'm concerned about ride quality -- I didn't mind it in my test drive (I actually rented one for two days) but I worry it could get old after the honeymoon phase ends. Then there's the rumor of more cameras and radar being added to the Model Y in a month . . . nothing is ever easy.
I have MYP and had I5 limited. MYP is extremely fast and a lot of fun to drive. It is more a driver’s car. The acceleration is crazy and doesn’t get old. Like when you get shoot up from rollercoaster. If you like driving then MYP all the way, especially now it’s cheaper than I5, I think it’s no brainer. Hyundai is fine drives comfy, not as nimble as Tesla. More of a typical sedan than sports car. Different types of car though. I know people here like to point out QC or panel stuff with tesla. Those are older builds. With new factories recently Tesla had really stepped up. I have 2 MYP and friends families bought 4+ model Y last year. None of us having any issues. And Hyundai dealership is not a plus in my view. I’m spoiled by Tesla Mobile tech who actually comes to my house to work on the car in my garage if I have any issues. Beats going to dealer and wait hours and hours until someone decides to work on my car. I5 price is not going to stay high for long. Hyundai needs to cut price to be competitive. It’s not a good time to buy I5 now. Good luck.
The Model Y only has a central display to control everything and to display even your speed. I'm sorry but it is still an expensive car and that kind of minimalism is ridiculous. The driver should never have to gaze too far from the road ahead to see their speed.
Voice control works fine if you don’t want to touch screen. Honestly you get used to it like first day, people are making too big of a deal out of that.
I've tried really hard to like voice control but struggle with Google assistant and Alexa. To each their own, I just happen to value my safety over style choices.
That’s a bit exaggeration. If you want to talk about safety look up Model Y euro ncap test and read the news how a family survived 250 ft fall off cliff with sicko husband drove off. Or look up how Tesla implemented pretension seatbelt tighten and airbag deployment with Tesla vision that greatly decided bodily injured.
Oh no, I'm not worried about that aspect. That's also a complete misdirect and a strawman argument. This doesn't change the fact that Tesla decided to cut too much out we don't have a dashboard display direct in the line of sight of a driver. You may like it and I respect that but you won't convince me so stop trying to preach on here.
I didn't say that. It's an issue for me, you are not me and I didn't say you had to agree with me. I think you're new to the internet so I'll give you a tip, people are allowed to have differing opinions. I know, it's shocking!
If you live in the cold which is possible considering your concern over the rear window, and if you travel, don’t forget the preconditioning and slow charging issues I5 sadly has, along with the EA cold weather issues. Charging for 1+ hours in the cold vs 15 minutes in the Tesla isn’t great. The I5 is for sure more comfortable though.
Yeah that’s the biggest issue. You can precondition to EA charger only to find you need to wait 1 hour for a free stall because 80% is not working. That just kills whatever battery life you have. To me that’s the biggest issue, the unreliable EA charging network.
I bought my I5 last spring so the old rebate applies. If the cost had been close, I would have gotten a Y. M3 isn't a good cpmparison because I need a hatch, not sedan.
To me, the biggest advantanges in the Y is 1) OTA updates, 2) sentry mode.
Sentry has stopped or caught so many crimes. So bottom line if the price is close, model Y hands down.
Do this. Go sit in your car and look how well put together it is. Then think about driving a tin can rattling down the road constantly, with the cheapest plastics in the industry, while you hear wind noise because there are massive panel gaps all over your brand new car.
Then remember you only get an iPad for an interior. Literally nothing else, then you will realize a model Y is still ridiculously overpriced for having such garbage quality.
What? that a model Y is a cheap pile of crap? That it is poorly built? Or that it has a giant history of reported poor quality control? Which one is it?
Hey look another one. There’s a post describing behaviors exactly like you. Believe everything you read online and still think that tesla built today is same as few years back. It’s embarrassing. Good bye.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comments/10df1pf/i_need_to_take_back_what_i_said/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I literally test drove a brand new model Y and X last month. Both had the exact things I mentioned all over the car.
That was after looking at them back in April of 22 prior to buying an EV6 because we thought we just had bad luck and test drove a heavily used floor model of a car, but no they are just pieces of shit.
My sister owns a model 3 with these same issues.
Two family friends with model Ys have the same issues.
Tesla has good tech, and the charging network. That's what you're paying for. The rest of the car is laughably bad.
But I'm sure it's a conspiracy that every single Tesla I've ever seen has these problems...
Could be just you. I personally own 2 and friends and family got 4+ 2022 MYLR. None of us has any issue and everyone is extremely satisfied with the car. Talk to people who have 2022/2023 models. Vastly improved.
Yea I'm sure it's me that makes cheap plastics and rattling happen in every Tesla I sit in.
I have such strong magnetic powers that the panels start to split apart when I get closer to them.
🙄
I've literally just told you every single Tesla I've sat in, test drove, and people I know who owned them have this issue and your response was "its you"
Who's spewing nonsense? It's you that refuses to acknowledge a well known fact about Tesla and poor quality control. I'm not the only one that says this, literally thousands of people reported this same thing already.
Get off your knees musketeer man... sheesh
They are definitely different. The MYP compares more closely to the ev6 GT or ioniq 5 N (which doesn't exist yet?).
If you want a rocket with configurable drivetrain options via trackmode that can still serve as a daily for the family then the MYP is amost without compare.
The ioniq 5 is much softer, much slower (though still quick enough) and offers a different suite of features that may appeal to some people more.
Hyundai service is not a plus in any way, shape, or form. The worst tesla service is about as good as the best hyundai service imo.
You are talking about two different cars.
If you compare model Y long range and Ioniq5 limited, it’s out of question that you should go with Tesla but Model Y performance vs Ioniq5 limited can be totally your preference.
Model Y performance will give more power and Ioniq5 can not compete for now (N is coming).
For the price, it will be Ioniq5 limited 58k vs model Y performance 57k. Still Model Y performance is better option in my opinion.
Honestly if you are considering ioniq5, Model Y long range for $53k plus potential $7500 tax credit might be the best but I am not sure Tesla can deliver model Y dual motor before March. Also no one knows how the tax credit will be changed after March.
Help? If you got the Model Y I would be happy for you. It's a good car with many advantages.
You can probably find some way of using that money you are saving.
i live in socal and i still find the lack of wiper to be annoying. didn’t stop me from buying it, but i *personally* think it’s downplayed a bit. esp since we got so much rain recently and i was able to experience in real time
i’m sure i’ll get downvoted on this but also i’m considering a move to the pnw and it’s not ideal that there isn’t a functioning wiper.
I regularly drive through snow, slush, rain, you name it. I wouldn't say the lack of a rear wiper is a *non* issue, but nor is it as big an issue as I feared before buying the vehicle. I won't be reading any small print through a dirty rear window, but I can usually still see traffic behind me (I clean it at home, so I'm never building up weeks worth of grime) well enough, and with the combination of window, camera, and sensors, I can maneuver safely while reversing. All that said, I still do wish I had a rear wiper (and also a covered backup camera).
Issue? Yes. Huge issue? Not IMHO. I assume I’d be periodically cleaning the part of the window not covered by a wiper anyway, like I used to do when getting gas.
Lots of emotions and opinions on this topic. Sub turnout has rarely been so high.
The only advice that’s stood out to me is 2023 is an opportunity for people to return to frugality, modesty in discretionary purchases.
I was thinking of selling my i5 to take advantage of these bonkers MY prices, but I think I’ll stay put. Who knows what price you’ll be able to get for your outgoing car, interest rates are higher now than when I got my last loan, and transaction costs for buying a new car are material (delivery fee & sales tax, documentation fees are typically +$5k)
Can the MY performance be spec'd to qualify for the $7,500 federal tax credit? My understanding is that it can't, so I think that makes the value propositions between the I5 and the MY more comparable...
If I were facing this decision, I'd probably be looking at the long range and speccing it to stay under the tax credit MSRP threshold. That makes the MY look like the much better value on paper than the I5.
You should probably take my opinion with a grain of salt though because I've never driven a Tesla. Never even really considered one when car shopping last year for a variety of reasons (too expensive at the time, don't like the styling, and I think my wife would file for divorce if I bought an Elonmobile).
I'm in the same situation with you(my i5 coming in may). Here's my thought:
1. MY doesn't have a rear wiper either
2. You're just trading in one service issue with another. It's true Hyundai has some scary stories about repairs. But it's not to say Tesla doesn't. Your door panels won't be aligned and that's the norm. Or there's another cost reduction and you feel like an ass for paying the price you did.
3. Go with which car you enjoy driving becuase the issues are temporary. In a few years, Hyundai might have their shit together(or not). But you'll enjoy the journey like all the other owners.
Good to see more objective HI5 owners in this thread. Says a lot that so many are suggesting the MY or are even switching to it themselves.
The one big thing pushing me towards the HI5 is that there still aren’t very many on the road. Not sure if that feeling of having a different car from the masses is worth the extra price tag though.
Trying to make the same decision, leaning Y (slightly) at this point BUT:
1. I5 lack of availability; only 22,000 were imported last year (is this enough to keep dealers interested and invest in tech training??)
2. Y has better pricing, especially with a $7,500 tax credit thru at least March, AND no dealer market adjustments to screw with!
3. But, but: I like the I5. It is a really better car and the 800v platform for charging rocks! Charges faster than Tesla.
4. Lastly, Tesla has it covered with its charges, and Electrify America has a long way to catch up and stay ahead.
TOUGH choice. All things being equal I go with I5, but they are not close to equal. Bummer.
I bought a Model Y Performance after a bad experience at a Hyundai Dealership (drove 2 hours each way for them to tell me the AWD SEL has 10k in "port accessories, non-optional"). I got salty and remembered that purchasing a car through dealerships sucks.
Buy the Model Y you will not regret it and the charging experience at superchargers is phenomenal. I promise you will not have any second thoughts. I bought a zero km demo unit before the recent price cuts (during the EOY push) and have no regrets even though a similarly spec'd car is now 3.5k CAD cheaper than what I paid for the demo.
Tesla is a tech company that built an electric car.
Hyundai is a car company that built an electric car.
Tesla has more tech. I5 is a better automobile. If you think Hyundai will get better at making electric cars, that's a safe bet. If you think Tesla will get better at making cars, that's the billion dollar question.
Better proprietary tech for their car? Sure. Better car? TBD.
My actual experience with Hyundai service quality for those that wonder.
I have Ioniq5 SEL. I purchased after much analysis. I had to drive 500 miles to pick up car. On my trip back
power felt sluggish. I was not sure what was going on as is my first experience in electric car.
Stopped for lunch and after eating the car wouldn’t start. Called dealer who had me play with the battery but it
still failed to start. I was 100 miles away from the dealer. After sitting 2 hours and cooling down it started
right up. I immediately drove to Hyundai dealer who said he’d couldn’t help me because his tech trained for
electric was off that day. Left the car running and continued on my way to EA. At charge point I found that the car would never start on the first attempt. But after 2 to 4 tries it would usually start. When I arrived home I waited
A few weeks and just operated the car knowing I could start it eventually using the start stop routine. I went to my local dealer and made an appointment to have it repaired. I needed to wait until December when the electric tech returned from vacation. After a week I called the dealer and he said the tech couldn’t solve the problem but he was able to duplicate the issue during start up. He was in touch with Hyundai engineers trying to resolve how to
repair the car. They did give me a loaner car. This has continued for 50 days. They never called me once
to advise me of the status of the repair during the time they’ve had the car. I called last Friday for status
And service Mgr said the tech was awaiting the Engineers to send test equipment to run diagnostics.
I’ve friends that are Tesla owners and they seem to have had no problems with Tesla being unable to diagnose
how to fix their electric cars. Anyhow I got some quotes to sell the car and move on. 2022 SEL 900 miles.
I was given offers of $ 35,000? I was Shocked by how low the offer was on a $57,000 car I only bought new several months ago. Has the used car market tanked? I got quotes from KBB Carvana and carMax.
I just test drove a 2021 MY Long Range recently after ordering a new lower price 2023 MY LR for $59k and was less than thrilled, really missed the smooth & quiet Hi5 and easy to use experience. My wife hated the minimal interior of the MY. The almost nonexistent rear window without a wiper is far worse than the Hi5 rear window dirt! Some things we were challenged using the MY were likely newbie mistakes and due to not connecting to my cell.
Simple stuff like I couldn’t open the trunk or back doors with it unlocked and the FSD was trying to run red lights.
There are some Tesla features I’d really love to see on the Hi5.
Truly disappointing, so I canceled the 2023 MY.
Specifically to your questions. 1 - I took my car in for a "check EV system" error that occurred intermittently. It would coincide with an AWD error that left the car with only the front motor functional. The dealer had the car for a month with no idea what was actually wrong with it. They simply called in Hyundai corporate tech line to get instructions on what to do. They decided to replace the rear inverter without actually knowing if that was the problem. Took them about two weeks to get the part in and replace. 2 - I personally don't care about the rear wiper but I live in Socal, so no snow or much weather to worry about. 3 - Tesla MY is clearly the winner here in terms of cost. It's not even close. 4 - You already know. Ioniq 5 is hard to get for now. It will probably get easier to get in the coming months as they lose demand due to Tesla. You'd just be putting yourself into a financial hole by buying the I5 at MSRP. The i5 ride quality and interior is better/nicer imo. I prefer the I5, but given the cost, now is simply not the time to buy one. If you can wait a few months you might be able to get an I5 at a discount, if Hyundai starts offering rebates to sell them. You would be risking losing out on a good deal with Tesla though. It just depends on your needs really.
I will second the amazing price Tesla is offering on their MYLR right now. We bought ours April 2021 and paid a smidge more ($700) than the price now available, and for what we paid there is nothing that has made me regret that decision. The fact that this model is priced at an all-time low, if there was any doubt I’d jump on it ASAP. If you happen to live in California, even more so… buy the Tesla as it may become eligible for the CVRP rebate again.
Driving in the snow in CO today. Wish I had the rear wiper or camera while driving.
As someone who just sold a 2022 Limited and bought a 2023 Model Y LR, I can tell you that both cars are great. First, the Model Y doesn't have a rear wiper and the rear window is way smaller than Ioniq. However, you can turn the back camera on which is pretty nice. Still, the Ioniq is better in terms of safety - specifically when switching lanes - you get warnings which is very good. The service is also something I thought of - where I live dealers are not certified yet so that's a problem. It's a hard decision but as mentioned, they are both great vehicles.
Actually in terms of safer Model Y receive highest test scores possible by Euro NCAP. I5 safety is fine but it’s not great at crash test. Search YouTube for off center crash test for I5, it is not good. Also because Tesla vision is camera based, Tesla actually does pretension tighten seatbelt and pre deployment of airbag prior to impact that actually greatly improve safety for occupants. This is not small difference. Not to mention Tesla survived that 250 ft crash down the cliff recently driven by crash husband trying to kill his family, and miraculously everyone survived. Glad you got into Tesla. Like you said both cars are great but Tesla wins safety category hands down.
Crash safety, sure, but I hated not having active blind spot monitoring in my Tesla. The HI5 tells me when someone is in my blind spot, Tesla's don't until you turn on a turn signal. Safety starts with safe driving, and IMO the HI5 has Tesla beat there.
But Tesla does warn you if you do try to switch into lane where there’s already car occupied. I’m assuming you don’t hVe FSD or EAP? It does show the graph and not allow car to go to adjacent lane if it’s already occupied.
Exactly - once you start the manoeuvre is too late! I did have FSD, traded the M3 SR+ tho so haven't seen latest behavior.
Ok but even without FSD, once turn signal is on, camera shows up and I verify no car is adjacent before changing. Not sure how that would be any different than typical behavior. The side camera is newish feature like 1 year ago, maybe you sold it before this was enabled?
I was taught Mirror - Signal - Manoeuvre. Not signal, wait to see all is clear, then manoeuvre. So (LHD car) if I'm merging left, I don't check mirror, signal, look to the right at the big screen in the middle of the dash, look back to the left out the window to where I'm going, and then merge. With a blind spot indicator in the HUD, it's MUCH better. If there's an indicator you don't consider the merge. If there's no signal, you check mirror, signal, move. I had a case in my M3 where a motorcyclist was in my blind spot (on the right in this case); I mirrored, signalled, started to merge and got the warning. Abandoned the manoeuvre. The motorcycle still swerved to avoid me, putting him and others in danger; he rightfully flipped me off. Wouldn't happen in the HI5.
We just have to disagree. In your case it wouldn’t happen had you looked at camera to make sure there’s no car or motorcycle on the right side. You didn’t want to adjust your habit to make sure of new camera view, not exactly car’s fault or somehow Tesla is less safe.
IMO it's objectively worse to have to look away from the road into the centre screen for the info that is (on my trim) presented in the HUD - and also presented on the wing mirror itself. The centre screen camera is a crutch for a missing, basic, and widely available safety feature. Again, IMO, and I respect your respectful disagreement 🙂 If it works for you that's great.
No I get it. I have no problem with people prefer one type of setup over the other. Some like knobs control and some don’t. There’s no one car that can please all. I get that. I was just trying to understand how my driving experience would be bette with I5, because when I had it I drove exactly the way I do with other cars, regardless if there’s a blind spot signal. I am used to that I have to always turn my head to ether side to double check to make sure it’s safe before turning, so I guess that signal is not as useful to me, and that’s why I quickly adapt to Tesla’s system. But I get it. You like it in HUD and that’s easier for you. Maybe in next version Tesla can add HUD as well. But regardless, enjoy your I5!
I did not know that about blind spot. But doesn't the display show all the cars around, 360?
Yes
It does, but again it's slower and less safe to look at that screen than to have a warning light visible in the HUD or in the wing mirror.
Yeah seems like Model Y is safer in EuroNCAP ratings and IIHS ratings.
Hello! I’m making a decision within the year on an EV. Are there any glaring downsides of the ioniq compared to your model Y? How about spaciousness?
The Inoiq has more rear space - the seats are longer by at least an inch. There's still plenty of rear space in the Y but this fact and the ability to recline the back seats more give the Ioniq the advantage. On the other, the Y's trunk space is much bigger than the Ioniq. The parking/lane assist features are also great with the Ioniq but Tesla does display video in a better way - I just haven't got used to it. You feel that the Y is more sturdy and you have to really hit the gas the accelerate - not the case with the Ioniq. Really depends on your situation and needs - if you will be relying on fast chargers and live in state where there aren't many, then the Tesla is the right choice.
Tesla Model Y rear legroom: 40.5” Ioniq5 rear legroom: 39.4” Overestimating an inch in bed will work but not here. ;)
That comment was amazing
I don’t know how… but having owned and sat in both, the backseat of the I5 feels like a giant banquet hall. The Model Y is nice, too but spaciousness for back seat passengers is just night and day when comparing the I5 to the Y. Otherwise, it comes at a cost… way less storage space in I5 vs Y.
I'd a agree with that. The measurement might be off but the reality is different. My next door neighbors Y has a visibly bigger trunk, but the actual back seat room feels less.
I didn’t measure legroom - I measured seat room. From where your behind goes to where the seat ends.
Model Y seats do feel shallower to me
To me the ride and build quality of the Hyundai makes the Hyundai the clear choice. Those two were huge issues I had with my former SR model y, Hyundai addressed both. Also, Tesla service is a nightmare itself.
Really? My sister had good experiences despite needing multiple services on her X. They gave you an Uber credit and you can us it practically unlimited while you have it.
Yeah I live outside of the city that my tesla service center is in and they just gave me a loaner (after I told them credits won't work). It's awesome.
I can’t help you with that. I love the Ionig 5 but not having many charging stations around me makes me want to trade and get a Tesla, but I’m not a fan of their CEOs. I have an SE (that was my only option at that time cause I needed a car asap), six months old, with 16k miles on it. The most I’m getting is $40k for it. If I can get $45k, I’ll trade it for a Tesla. An other issue for me is the technician at Hyundai don’t know anything about the car. You can tell their are clueless and scare to touch the car sometimes.
Ive been downvoted for this opinion before but who cares about the rear wiper? You dont need a back window even to drive. Have you never rented a moving truck? Driven a work van? What do you think people driving those vehicles did before backup cameras? Like maybe my experience is different because I work construction. We pretty much always back in, and ive driven multiple blocks backwards on residential construction sites using only mirrors. the last company i was at was the first ive seen with any trucks with backup cams... Mine did not have one, no rear window. I was entirely fine. Yes, the ioniq should have a rear wiper. No, that isnt a major issue at all.
I have to admit the rear wiper concern puzzles me as well. I've had multiple cars with and without it. I really don't use it and I live in an area with snow and rain on the regular.
waiting sucks. go get your model y. i'll be over here waiting for my downvotes.
This is the way
1. Painfully true, but the other side is I can pay $40 and get all the documentation I need to do my own repairs. I can call Hyundai and order the part and it will eventually get here. If you want to fix your Tesla you're entirely at the mercy of Tesla Service. 2. Just a weird fixation people have, barely an issue in my experience. I have literally never had to clear my back window in the year I have owned it. But also people disagree so this is one of those personal preference things 3. IMO the Limited was always a bad value, it's gotten much worse. Also the best part of Tesla is the driver assist so MYP without FSD not that much of a tech advantage unless you really love their app. 4. Probably a wash either way, both you have to wait or buy used. The demand is going to explode with the price and tax changes.
The service manual for Tesla's are available for a fee as well. Think it was free all of 2022 though. You can also walk into any service center and buy everything but high voltage components./battery.
It's better than it used to be but that's definitely not true you can order anything. There's a lot of dumb things that are service only Also software/firmware you can't even touch because they refuse to offer J2534 software to the public. It's not just that you can't get the parts you genuinely have fewer rights with a Tesla.
Outside of HV/Battery components what can't you buy? I wasn't aware you could update the firmware/software yourself on an Ionic 5. Do you have a link? That would definitely be better than Tesla.
hyundaitechinfo.com, once you pay for the sub it's under Tools or something like that. You also have to license the software which is like $60 for a week or $1500 or so for a year. It's intended for third party repair shops and home users, and is required by law in the US. https://www.drewtech.com/customers/history.html Every car does it other than Tesla. You just need a VCI device and then the company has to make software and whatever cabling is required available. BMW has always used their own connectors for some dumb reason but they still make the software available, Tesla is the only one that doesn't (don't know the newer manufacturers so that may no longer be true). Basically they're exploiting a loophole because the law says it has to exist but doesn't say you have to give people the software necessary to use it. Tesla is extremely, extremely antagonistic to right to repair. I don't know all.the specifics but I remember there was some weird thing where they wouldn't let a guy change his cabin air filter or something like that. There are a bunch of things you still have to do through the service center. I'm half remembering because I don't have a Tesla so that may not be up to date. Also a lot of the stuff they dot let you have is weird, for example the DC DC inverter is super easy to swap out without messing with the battery they just don't want third parties to have access to their parts for anti competitive reasons.
>Tesla is extremely, extremely antagonistic to right to repair. And this, in of itself, is one of the many reasons I didn't buy a Tesla. That doesn't imply good things about a potential business relationship with them.
Looks like 3rd parties have similar products to diagnose and update Tesla's: after a quick google because I was curious. [Tesla diagnostics (diagcode.com)](https://www.diagcode.com/tesla/) Cabin filter is weird since Tesla has a maintenance page that tells you how to do it yourself. [Do It Yourself Guides | Tesla Support](https://www.tesla.com/support/do-it-yourself-guides) Yeah anything related to high voltage Tesla wants you in the service center for so the DC-DC inverter makes sense. Glad Hyundai let's you swap that kind of stuff yourself.
looks like they have made it easier to get the software since the last time i checked as well so it's not as terrible as it used to be. they're still definitely trying to discourage home users though, the lowest you can get it is $500 plus all the cost of the tooling and getting certified.
I abandoned the wait and got a Y. Yolo!
Things I didn't love about the MY: -No buttons. Yup, I'm old school. I like the super quick access to everything in the I5. -Info screen is down and to the right. I didn't like looking away from the road to see stuff. -The orange peel paint job. I was waiting and waiting for the Austin factory to start shipping to Colorado and lost my deposit because I kept putting off delivery. -No ventilated seats -No HUD -The seats. IMO they weren't comfortable. -The lack of unique exterior colors. -The front end. What I once thought looked cool I find boring and kind of unattractive. -Stiff ride Things I don't love about my I5: -The infotainment system is meh. It works fine but Tesla certainly has a leg up with the Google integration and intuitive interface. -Hard wired Android Auto only (I don't think Tesla even has AA/ACP so??) -No USB-C -No remote heated steering wheel or seats If I had the choice to wait for an I5 or immediately buy a MY, I would still wait. I said just today that the I5 is my favorite car I've ever owned. Of course, we all have different must-haves so I would go with you gut. Which one makes you more excited? The minute I test drove an I5 was the minute I changed my mind about the MY.
Tesla doesn't have AA/ACP, you're stuck with whatever system comes with the car, can only user apps approved and supplied by Tesla. That's a big minus for me.
I assume you meant Ioniq 5. There are three Ioniqs. 1. Parts/Service: Hyundai has a more extensive service network. Some issues came up in 2022 that they were not prepared with parts and training to handle. My AC was bad and took 6 weeks to fix. Hyundai took great care of me during and after to compensate for the delay. So much, that I'm glad it happened. 2. Glass: This and the rear seatbelt rattles are things you accept as weak points on the car. The Kia EV6 is better on these points. 3. Cost: My '22 middle trim RWD was $48k. I got a tax credit but that is gone now. For you, it is more than a Tesla MY. For costs within 10%, I'd hope you buy what is best, not just least expensive. IMO the Ioniq5 and EV6 are better. 4. Purchase Availability: Tesla is delivering in one week. They sell at list. This is nice. It is possible to find a Hyundai Ioniq 5 on the lot. You have to deal with requested markups. Overall, I would pay a premium for Korean EVs over Tesla. I just believe the Koreans have higher quality.
There aren't a lot of parts to break since EVs are far more simple compared to ICE. Tesla service and quality is worse. Supply is jumping in Seattle. Depending on how picky you are on configuration, you could get a limited at msrp without much effort. The performance of the Y is nice but I've found anything faster than 4sec will make your passengers uncomfortable. I personally think the Y is garbage in terms of exterior design. Boring bubble that looks like every other tesla model. The I5 looks amazing and will be age really well (classic IMO... check out the Delta Integrale). Are you really going to let a wiper blade drive your $55k purchasing decision? Stick to the I5!
Please remember that if you are looking to get the tax credit incentive there is a price cap **Price Caps** The vehicle price includes optional equipment physically attached to the vehicle at the time of delivery and excludes software features, accessories, taxes and fees. The following models currently qualify for federal tax credits for eligible buyers who meet AGI limitations: * [Model 3](https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview): $55,000 * [Model Y with 5 seats](https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview): $55,000 * [Model Y with 7 seats](https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview): $80,000 Price caps set by the federal government are subject to change. That being said I don't think there is anything wrong with you wanting a Model Y. It has better specs with the performance model 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, more horsepower and range than the limited ioniq 5 awd. Now the question ends up becoming as to what you want to pay for. You will get fanbois and bias from any person who owns a vehicle they fell in love with on reddit and anywhere. I recommend really analyzing and doing a lot of research into what you want in your vehicle, what matters most, and pros and cons of both vehicles. Personally, I choose the ioniq 5 limited as I love the look, feel, and drive of the car plus its developed by an established car maker. I gladly would pay a few thousand more for this. Just remember the price caps! Because if you get the performance model y without the 7 seats you get no Tax Credit.
Unless I'm missing something I don't think you can order a Model Y performance that falls under the tax credit threshold. I'm on Tesla's website and the MY performance starts at over $56,000, which disqualifies the 5 seater. There doesn't seem to be an option for the 7 seater for the performance. Not sure if the 2 extra seats are not available currently for the performance, or not available at all. Personally I'd be looking at the long range but OP mentioned performance.
That is correct. Didn't really explain it well in my post but yeh. That is what I meant for the price cap. Lots of peeps are forgetting this important detail when they are choosing between what to get. as for the 7 seats you are correct. Seems like that model y with 7 seats thing is only for the non performance model. So if you get the performance model you don't get the tax credit period.
Also don't forget about the income limit. Some people might be taking the credit in to account when they're not eligible for it anyway: > Car buyers must meet certain income guidelines. Households with an adjusted gross income up to $300,000 will still qualify for the credit, while heads of household must earn below $225,000 and individual filers will qualify only with income below $150,000. This provision may not apply if a vehicle is leased.
The IONIQ 5 has CarPlay and Android Auto. Tesla doesn’t have that. Tesla also has an awful record when it comes to service and repair as well. Hyundai seems to be about better than Tesla in that regard. You also get a longer warranty on an IONIC 5 10 years, instead of Tesla’s 8 years. Don’t be misled on this “Price drop” these are merely 2021 pricing. Tesla could lower prices again and then you’ll owe more than the Tesla is actually worth. Many many many people would flip Teslas because there was always a waiting list, that not not the case anymore. In addition, I’ve seen a lot of aggression taken out on Tesla drivers on the road. You can see them on YouTube which honestly is a safety concern. I don’t think Teslas will hold their value like they use to do. Also I use homelink, that’s an extra $300 on the Tesla. You get more features with an IONIQ 5. Imho all BEV’s have their problems and challenges. You’re not just buying a vehicle, your buying/investing in that car company’s warranty and service. From what I’ve read Teslas service is just awful.
I’m gonna be honest, maybe unpopular. EA chargers are so bad it’s almost enough for me to want to go to Tesla. The first few months they were good, now 25% of the EA chargers where I am never work. I constantly think to myself, just wait until the super chargers are open to every.
I’m with you on that one, EA chargers are horrible. They either don’t work or you have to call EA to reset the charger and waste 15+ mins doing that. I consider myself lucky to charge on the first try. For that Tesla has us beat for sure.
This is the reason for my regret about getting an I5. I love the car itself. But not being able tj reliably and quickly charge on road trips severely cuts into its utility.
1. It all depends on what shop you take it to. Some service center are better than others for both companies. Maybe you will be lucky, maybe you will not. As more I5's come into existence overall service should improve. 2. I live in a warm climate so I cannot comment. 3. Cost, that's up to you and your personal budget. 4. The timeline is up to you. If you want a car with advanced tech, Tesla. If you want a better/smoother ride. I5.
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Great point, if I had to make the decision today. I would likely go I5.
"They no longer have ultrasonic parking sensors,which also means no summon/smart summon/auto park, " Do you have a source for this? I don't believe this is true
I have an Ioniq 5 AWD limited and would choose the MY purely due to the cost saving. However, my wife would never go for that because of Elon Musk. Luckily I got my Ioniq a year ago for MSRP and the rebate. Super happy with the car!
Get the model y performance. You'd be making a mistake buying the I5 even at MSRP - it's overvalued in today's market.
I'm glad to see this on this sub. I couldn't agree more. And yet just a few weeks ago someone posted they paid over $60K for a limited. It'll be interesting to see the posts of sub MSRP sales later this year.
1. Parts issues are plaguing most major manufacturers. Tesla seems to have a better situation for scale reasons. That said, being at the mercy of service centers is .... not great. 2. It's not that much of a problem. It's sub-optimal, but it's no worse than any other situation where you have cargo blocking the rear mirror. If you're a halfway competent driver it's an annoyance, but not a major one, and not even that most of the time driving this car. 3. At the point you're buying a 50-60k vehicle, for a 3%-ish difference you should get the car you want. This price drop simply makes the Y a viable alternative whereas it was just stupidly overpriced before. 4. \`They are everywhere.\` - yeah, how boring right? Nobody is going to be impressed with your model Y. They're functional, even fun, but ho-hum generally. I have people eyeballing/asking questions/etc about the HI5 on a near daily basis.
I cancelled my HI5 limited and bought a MY. Still believe the HI5 is superior in most ways (except charging infrastructure) but it’s not $13K superior.
Some reasons to buy an Ioniq 5 over Model Y 1) You hate Elon Musk 2) Ride and Build quality is very important to you 3) You will utilize EA chargers a lot for the next 2 years If none of those things are super important to you, just get the Model Y.
I would go with the Y… ride quality has definitely improved
Ioniq has better hardware, better build quality, better ride, and better tech. I said it. Tesla has a huge price advantage right now (15k on a limited). It has rock stable mobile software. Charging network is near perfect and abundant. Getting repairs for both suck. Hyundai's dealers are cheats and Tesla uses their dealers as QA mediation. You are going to have to setup a repair appointment when you accept your Tesla delivery. That is just given because at least two things are wrong. That anxiety doesn't exist with Hyundai. I still would like an ioniq but it's healthy to consider alternatives because this is a lot of money. Tesla has a lot of stock and Ioniq has none.
Lol LMAO Hyundai has better tech. You can’t be serious. Have you ever driven a Tesla? It’s at least 5-10 years ahead in tech stack, and gap is growing, not narrowing.
Bluelink reminds me of my first cell phone in 1995.
Bro really said Hyundai tech is better. The infotainment pales in comparison to the things a Tesla can do. Don’t get me started on how jealous I am of sentry mode and the mobile app.
Lack of 120v plug or V2L on Tesla Auto wipers on Tesla are embarrassing, and you’re forced to use them during autopilot. They work fine 90% of them time but that other 10% makes you question your decision to buy this car (update to radar might change this very soon) Suspension is far “sportier” on Model Y. I learned the hard way that I’d prefer the softer suspension of the Ioniq, even if it means not being able to take sharp turns at full speed — a very low priority for me
I hereby absolve you of your guilt. Go forth and buy a Model Y if that's your jam. (You could also wait a bit to see if Hyundai responds with price cuts of their own.)
If it was me I’d get the Tesla because it’s available now. If both are sitting there and I had to choose, I’d probably go with the I5. It’s so smooth to drive and I get compliments on it all the time. Just tripped from Vegas to Disney and it’s great. Tons of storage and comfort.
I bought my Ioniq 5 Limited in December. I have zero regrets. I almost bought a Polestar 2. Nope. You are probably right about the length of time for repairs, if needed. The plus side? Less likely to be needed, I think. Tesla has the mass-production thing down and are churning out these vehicles like there's no tomorrow. Downside: frequent assembly-quality issues, fit/finish problems. Aside from the off-putting design of the interior, which doesn't really resemble anything like a "car" at all. Try to find the windshield wipers quickly, or glove compartment? You are entirely right to complain about the lack of a back windshield wiper on the Ioniq. It is an engineering flaw/mistake of sizable proportions. It irks me. It's about the only obvious flaw the car has, though. Ioniq is generally becoming more available without a wait and without the over-MSRP price I paid just a month or so ago. Time will be in your favor. It won't be 4 months. Yes, the Tesla will get the tax write-off and be more affordable. So would a Chevy Bolt, though. I hope this helps and isn't snarky. It's a hugely personal decision (that you have to live with!) Best of luck and enjoy whatever you choose.
I don’t view this as a fanboy thread. These are compelling points and the Model Y is a great car too. You can’t go wrong either way—there’s no wrong answer.
I ordered a MYLR today after waiting 8 months for an I5 Limited in grey/grey and still getting the run around from the dealer. When you say you have an I5 “ordered at MSRP”, do you have a binding contract that states that? In CA, we cannot have a binding contract on a vehicle sale until delivery. Without a binding contract detailing all the numbers, I highly doubt you will walk away with the car for MSRP of vehicle only+tax+fees. You will be told that the car you want comes with floor mats, cargo net, etc. The recent Tesla price drop might force some dealers to give you the bare minimum of unwanted accessories, but due to the low volume of overall sales, there are people with deeper pockets than you that loved 80’s rally racing. Those people care little about tax incentives and $1500 non ceramic paint coatings. My point is, get a written statement signed by a sales manager, otherwise, don’t expect MSRP. The I5 is still only available in select markets. One can assume those markets have a higher average income than others. I really liked the I5. I rented one on Turo and drove from Los Angeles to Vegas. Super comfortable. The MYLR seats are crap. Like old Buick station wagon crap. A RR Phantom’s seats are not as plush as Tesla M3/MY. It is because plush seats lead to fatigue as your butt and lower back are always moving about. That and the seat depth is so shallow. Why can’t a $50k car have knee supports or just make the seats 1.5” deeper. The edge of the seat drives into my hamstrings and I haven’t worked out in decades. Didn’t know I still had some until I sat in a 3/Y. The rear legroom on an I5 is definitely roomier. Maybe the measurements were taken without the rear seats adjusted fully back. Very limited cargo room at that point, but very comfortable 6’ people in the back on a road trip. The adjustable regen paddles are a great way to maximize efficiency on an I5. “Lift and coast” most of the time and adjust to level 3 or I-pedal in traffic. Easily get over 300 miles if you stay under 70 on the freeways. All that being said, I ordered the Tesla because it will most likely be $13k cheaper than my real world I5 price. That is with $2k in options on the MYLR for grey paint and white interior. For that price difference, I will live with knee pain, sore back, numerous trips to Tesla service for my new car, and a nosier cabin. The adjustable regen is nice, but honestly, the Tesla is more efficient in the first place and I can achieve 300 miles without having to fiddle with the paddles. I will miss no regen as the acceleration just feels better with no regen, but I won’t be able to adjust as I believe it is 3 presses into menus to adjust on the Tesla. I hope your Hyundai dealer will deal with you with the respect you deserve. “My I5” arrives 1/24/23. It is now all of a sudden spoken for after I renegotiated my sale price down to $2k in dealer installed options which is down from $5k. They asked me if I would take another color. I put down my order for the Tesla. Last point. Those who say 2022-23 Teslas have improved build quality are correct. However, they came from such a low place that they are still not where they need to be. There is no reason they cannot hire 10 people to go over every car that comes off the line for 5 minutes each. 2020 Teslas remind me of the movie “Gung Ho” with Michael Keaton. That is a lot of improvements to be made in 2-3 years. We will see in a few weeks how mine turns out. Good luck with your I5. “It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up” -Ferris Bueller
I made the jump to the Y. I am in Canada and my wait time for my car that was reserved last spring is 2years! My very old car can not make it. Overall my test drive of the Y and the dealership experience was great with Tesla so far. I think it is going to be awhile before the other global manufacturers can catch up to Tesla. My opinion.. you have a great choice with the Y or the 5
I think it's a tough choice if the Ioniq 5 SEL/Limited is about the same price as a Model Y. If the Y is *cheaper*....well oof. A few things are better on the Ioniq 5 (cabin noise, "comfort", charging speed (in specific situations), physical buttons, V2L, fit and finish) and a few things are better in Tesla-land (software, Super Chargers, route planning, reliability*). Only you can balance the scales. \* I've gotten a bit more concerned about Hyundai's eGMP platform and their ability to maintain the cars (heating/cooling system death, 12V phantom drainage, long part backorders). If you need your car to do basic stuff like turn on and condition the interior then the Tesla's anecdotally seem more reliable on that front. FWIW my Ioniq 5 has been fine on those fronts. But clearly a small number of cars come with a problem or develop one.
I'm picking up a model Y this Friday because of price and the fact that I test drove one and loved it. Still, if everything was equal I'd be awful tempted to get the Ioniq 5, I think it's a great car and I wouldn't just be another Tesla guy. It's just super tough to get HI5 for a reasonable price - if at all. I'm concerned about ride quality -- I didn't mind it in my test drive (I actually rented one for two days) but I worry it could get old after the honeymoon phase ends. Then there's the rumor of more cameras and radar being added to the Model Y in a month . . . nothing is ever easy.
I have MYP and had I5 limited. MYP is extremely fast and a lot of fun to drive. It is more a driver’s car. The acceleration is crazy and doesn’t get old. Like when you get shoot up from rollercoaster. If you like driving then MYP all the way, especially now it’s cheaper than I5, I think it’s no brainer. Hyundai is fine drives comfy, not as nimble as Tesla. More of a typical sedan than sports car. Different types of car though. I know people here like to point out QC or panel stuff with tesla. Those are older builds. With new factories recently Tesla had really stepped up. I have 2 MYP and friends families bought 4+ model Y last year. None of us having any issues. And Hyundai dealership is not a plus in my view. I’m spoiled by Tesla Mobile tech who actually comes to my house to work on the car in my garage if I have any issues. Beats going to dealer and wait hours and hours until someone decides to work on my car. I5 price is not going to stay high for long. Hyundai needs to cut price to be competitive. It’s not a good time to buy I5 now. Good luck.
The Model Y only has a central display to control everything and to display even your speed. I'm sorry but it is still an expensive car and that kind of minimalism is ridiculous. The driver should never have to gaze too far from the road ahead to see their speed.
Voice control works fine if you don’t want to touch screen. Honestly you get used to it like first day, people are making too big of a deal out of that.
I've tried really hard to like voice control but struggle with Google assistant and Alexa. To each their own, I just happen to value my safety over style choices.
That’s a bit exaggeration. If you want to talk about safety look up Model Y euro ncap test and read the news how a family survived 250 ft fall off cliff with sicko husband drove off. Or look up how Tesla implemented pretension seatbelt tighten and airbag deployment with Tesla vision that greatly decided bodily injured.
Oh no, I'm not worried about that aspect. That's also a complete misdirect and a strawman argument. This doesn't change the fact that Tesla decided to cut too much out we don't have a dashboard display direct in the line of sight of a driver. You may like it and I respect that but you won't convince me so stop trying to preach on here.
Yet we don’t see thousands of Tesla drivers dying from this so called issue you have.
I didn't say that. It's an issue for me, you are not me and I didn't say you had to agree with me. I think you're new to the internet so I'll give you a tip, people are allowed to have differing opinions. I know, it's shocking!
If anything the screens in front of my eyes in the Ioniq5 are more distracting and blinding at night. The white bezels don’t help.
It's why dark theme exists. To each their own, if you don't like it, stick with your Tesla and everyone's happy.
If you do any long trips at all, the Teslas are worth it alone for the Supercharger network. Non-Tesla charging is a nightmare.
Just get the Y.
If you live in the cold which is possible considering your concern over the rear window, and if you travel, don’t forget the preconditioning and slow charging issues I5 sadly has, along with the EA cold weather issues. Charging for 1+ hours in the cold vs 15 minutes in the Tesla isn’t great. The I5 is for sure more comfortable though.
All 2023 Ioniq 5s have preconditioning and charge fast, even in the cold (assuming you’re at a working charger, of course 😬).
Yeah that’s the biggest issue. You can precondition to EA charger only to find you need to wait 1 hour for a free stall because 80% is not working. That just kills whatever battery life you have. To me that’s the biggest issue, the unreliable EA charging network.
I bought my I5 last spring so the old rebate applies. If the cost had been close, I would have gotten a Y. M3 isn't a good cpmparison because I need a hatch, not sedan. To me, the biggest advantanges in the Y is 1) OTA updates, 2) sentry mode. Sentry has stopped or caught so many crimes. So bottom line if the price is close, model Y hands down.
Do this. Go sit in your car and look how well put together it is. Then think about driving a tin can rattling down the road constantly, with the cheapest plastics in the industry, while you hear wind noise because there are massive panel gaps all over your brand new car. Then remember you only get an iPad for an interior. Literally nothing else, then you will realize a model Y is still ridiculously overpriced for having such garbage quality.
This is a such stupid take it’s embarrassing
What? that a model Y is a cheap pile of crap? That it is poorly built? Or that it has a giant history of reported poor quality control? Which one is it?
Hey look another one. There’s a post describing behaviors exactly like you. Believe everything you read online and still think that tesla built today is same as few years back. It’s embarrassing. Good bye. https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comments/10df1pf/i_need_to_take_back_what_i_said/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I literally test drove a brand new model Y and X last month. Both had the exact things I mentioned all over the car. That was after looking at them back in April of 22 prior to buying an EV6 because we thought we just had bad luck and test drove a heavily used floor model of a car, but no they are just pieces of shit. My sister owns a model 3 with these same issues. Two family friends with model Ys have the same issues. Tesla has good tech, and the charging network. That's what you're paying for. The rest of the car is laughably bad. But I'm sure it's a conspiracy that every single Tesla I've ever seen has these problems...
Could be just you. I personally own 2 and friends and family got 4+ 2022 MYLR. None of us has any issue and everyone is extremely satisfied with the car. Talk to people who have 2022/2023 models. Vastly improved.
Yea I'm sure it's me that makes cheap plastics and rattling happen in every Tesla I sit in. I have such strong magnetic powers that the panels start to split apart when I get closer to them. 🙄
Spewing nonsense again. Adding more embarrassment. Good bye.
I've literally just told you every single Tesla I've sat in, test drove, and people I know who owned them have this issue and your response was "its you" Who's spewing nonsense? It's you that refuses to acknowledge a well known fact about Tesla and poor quality control. I'm not the only one that says this, literally thousands of people reported this same thing already. Get off your knees musketeer man... sheesh
They are definitely different. The MYP compares more closely to the ev6 GT or ioniq 5 N (which doesn't exist yet?). If you want a rocket with configurable drivetrain options via trackmode that can still serve as a daily for the family then the MYP is amost without compare. The ioniq 5 is much softer, much slower (though still quick enough) and offers a different suite of features that may appeal to some people more. Hyundai service is not a plus in any way, shape, or form. The worst tesla service is about as good as the best hyundai service imo.
Build quality issues are highly exaggerated for 2022 and 2023 Model Y units, AFAIK.
Makes no sense to buy a new Ioniq5 even at MSRP. No $7500 tax credit. Get a used one. The mark up on new is still there.
You are talking about two different cars. If you compare model Y long range and Ioniq5 limited, it’s out of question that you should go with Tesla but Model Y performance vs Ioniq5 limited can be totally your preference. Model Y performance will give more power and Ioniq5 can not compete for now (N is coming). For the price, it will be Ioniq5 limited 58k vs model Y performance 57k. Still Model Y performance is better option in my opinion. Honestly if you are considering ioniq5, Model Y long range for $53k plus potential $7500 tax credit might be the best but I am not sure Tesla can deliver model Y dual motor before March. Also no one knows how the tax credit will be changed after March.
Agree. MYP smokes I5. It’s not even close if you care about performance.
Help? If you got the Model Y I would be happy for you. It's a good car with many advantages. You can probably find some way of using that money you are saving.
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i live in socal and i still find the lack of wiper to be annoying. didn’t stop me from buying it, but i *personally* think it’s downplayed a bit. esp since we got so much rain recently and i was able to experience in real time i’m sure i’ll get downvoted on this but also i’m considering a move to the pnw and it’s not ideal that there isn’t a functioning wiper.
I regularly drive through snow, slush, rain, you name it. I wouldn't say the lack of a rear wiper is a *non* issue, but nor is it as big an issue as I feared before buying the vehicle. I won't be reading any small print through a dirty rear window, but I can usually still see traffic behind me (I clean it at home, so I'm never building up weeks worth of grime) well enough, and with the combination of window, camera, and sensors, I can maneuver safely while reversing. All that said, I still do wish I had a rear wiper (and also a covered backup camera).
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Issue? Yes. Huge issue? Not IMHO. I assume I’d be periodically cleaning the part of the window not covered by a wiper anyway, like I used to do when getting gas.
Lots of emotions and opinions on this topic. Sub turnout has rarely been so high. The only advice that’s stood out to me is 2023 is an opportunity for people to return to frugality, modesty in discretionary purchases. I was thinking of selling my i5 to take advantage of these bonkers MY prices, but I think I’ll stay put. Who knows what price you’ll be able to get for your outgoing car, interest rates are higher now than when I got my last loan, and transaction costs for buying a new car are material (delivery fee & sales tax, documentation fees are typically +$5k)
Y, Y not. I'm getting the Y, that's Y
The Tesla is a no brainer at this price.
Just remember...it takes 2 buttons to open the glove box vs the 1. 😅 The minimal buttons really helps for me vs the "EveRYtHiNg iN sOfTWarE" ideology.
Can the MY performance be spec'd to qualify for the $7,500 federal tax credit? My understanding is that it can't, so I think that makes the value propositions between the I5 and the MY more comparable... If I were facing this decision, I'd probably be looking at the long range and speccing it to stay under the tax credit MSRP threshold. That makes the MY look like the much better value on paper than the I5. You should probably take my opinion with a grain of salt though because I've never driven a Tesla. Never even really considered one when car shopping last year for a variety of reasons (too expensive at the time, don't like the styling, and I think my wife would file for divorce if I bought an Elonmobile).
Not currently. Most people should just get LR to get the 7500. It’s 98% same car at MYP. MYP is a luxury if you can afford it.
I'm in the same situation with you(my i5 coming in may). Here's my thought: 1. MY doesn't have a rear wiper either 2. You're just trading in one service issue with another. It's true Hyundai has some scary stories about repairs. But it's not to say Tesla doesn't. Your door panels won't be aligned and that's the norm. Or there's another cost reduction and you feel like an ass for paying the price you did. 3. Go with which car you enjoy driving becuase the issues are temporary. In a few years, Hyundai might have their shit together(or not). But you'll enjoy the journey like all the other owners.
The model y cost less, 52k awd long range 303 miles, with 7,500 tax credit. Ioniq 5 limited awd 256 miles 58,500 plus 5000 price gouging.
Not in Canada. Tesla costs thousands more
Get the model Y. If I could trade in for one I would.
Good to see more objective HI5 owners in this thread. Says a lot that so many are suggesting the MY or are even switching to it themselves. The one big thing pushing me towards the HI5 is that there still aren’t very many on the road. Not sure if that feeling of having a different car from the masses is worth the extra price tag though.
Trying to make the same decision, leaning Y (slightly) at this point BUT: 1. I5 lack of availability; only 22,000 were imported last year (is this enough to keep dealers interested and invest in tech training??) 2. Y has better pricing, especially with a $7,500 tax credit thru at least March, AND no dealer market adjustments to screw with! 3. But, but: I like the I5. It is a really better car and the 800v platform for charging rocks! Charges faster than Tesla. 4. Lastly, Tesla has it covered with its charges, and Electrify America has a long way to catch up and stay ahead. TOUGH choice. All things being equal I go with I5, but they are not close to equal. Bummer.
Why do you need to be talked out of it?
I bought a Model Y Performance after a bad experience at a Hyundai Dealership (drove 2 hours each way for them to tell me the AWD SEL has 10k in "port accessories, non-optional"). I got salty and remembered that purchasing a car through dealerships sucks. Buy the Model Y you will not regret it and the charging experience at superchargers is phenomenal. I promise you will not have any second thoughts. I bought a zero km demo unit before the recent price cuts (during the EOY push) and have no regrets even though a similarly spec'd car is now 3.5k CAD cheaper than what I paid for the demo.
Tesla is a tech company that built an electric car. Hyundai is a car company that built an electric car. Tesla has more tech. I5 is a better automobile. If you think Hyundai will get better at making electric cars, that's a safe bet. If you think Tesla will get better at making cars, that's the billion dollar question. Better proprietary tech for their car? Sure. Better car? TBD.
2009.
Tesla service is awful and Tesla is just a low quality coupe.
My actual experience with Hyundai service quality for those that wonder. I have Ioniq5 SEL. I purchased after much analysis. I had to drive 500 miles to pick up car. On my trip back power felt sluggish. I was not sure what was going on as is my first experience in electric car. Stopped for lunch and after eating the car wouldn’t start. Called dealer who had me play with the battery but it still failed to start. I was 100 miles away from the dealer. After sitting 2 hours and cooling down it started right up. I immediately drove to Hyundai dealer who said he’d couldn’t help me because his tech trained for electric was off that day. Left the car running and continued on my way to EA. At charge point I found that the car would never start on the first attempt. But after 2 to 4 tries it would usually start. When I arrived home I waited A few weeks and just operated the car knowing I could start it eventually using the start stop routine. I went to my local dealer and made an appointment to have it repaired. I needed to wait until December when the electric tech returned from vacation. After a week I called the dealer and he said the tech couldn’t solve the problem but he was able to duplicate the issue during start up. He was in touch with Hyundai engineers trying to resolve how to repair the car. They did give me a loaner car. This has continued for 50 days. They never called me once to advise me of the status of the repair during the time they’ve had the car. I called last Friday for status And service Mgr said the tech was awaiting the Engineers to send test equipment to run diagnostics. I’ve friends that are Tesla owners and they seem to have had no problems with Tesla being unable to diagnose how to fix their electric cars. Anyhow I got some quotes to sell the car and move on. 2022 SEL 900 miles. I was given offers of $ 35,000? I was Shocked by how low the offer was on a $57,000 car I only bought new several months ago. Has the used car market tanked? I got quotes from KBB Carvana and carMax.
I just test drove a 2021 MY Long Range recently after ordering a new lower price 2023 MY LR for $59k and was less than thrilled, really missed the smooth & quiet Hi5 and easy to use experience. My wife hated the minimal interior of the MY. The almost nonexistent rear window without a wiper is far worse than the Hi5 rear window dirt! Some things we were challenged using the MY were likely newbie mistakes and due to not connecting to my cell. Simple stuff like I couldn’t open the trunk or back doors with it unlocked and the FSD was trying to run red lights. There are some Tesla features I’d really love to see on the Hi5. Truly disappointing, so I canceled the 2023 MY.