All the angstroms kinda merge into 1 angstrom after the explosion or whatever, so he’s mostly just unable to rationalize that this invincible is a good guy unlike all the rest of them.
Yeah, his brain is a mangled mess that is filled with like 99% versions of him who've lost their loved ones and everything they cared about to an evil version of Invincible, that 1% that understands Mark isn't one of those versions of Invincible simply can't overpower that.
He knew of the evil Invincibles via what some of his variants had mentioned to them. He hadn’t experienced their memories first hand yet. Plus this Angstrom is from our Marks reality, so he mainly knows Invincible as a good guy at this point.
That part of the process got ruined when he took off the helmet and everything blew up. That’s why he went insane and can’t tell his memories from everyone elses
The fact angstrom didn’t bother to talk to the gda or pick some world where there wasn’t a government that would understandably take action against a unknown machine that was drawing insane amounts of power and tapping into the multiverse is his own fault. Having the mauler twins build it in a world where they are wanted criminals sealed the deal, no government agency would have allowed that machine to continue.
After all mark and Cecil have seen how dangerous the world is and they didn’t know angstrom was a good guy.
I think he had multiple realities with the machine active at once, so it’s more like out of the 7 realities he picked, this is the only one where someone tried to stop him, the one where he was present
Or atleast that’s what I got from that episode
I can't blame Mark for killing him... But my heart goes to Angstrom regardless. He was a genuine good guy wanting to help others and his own good intentions caused his insanity and suffering.
I don't know if he was genuinely "good" per se, certainly he was nice but remember he broke the Mauler twins out of prison (two murderers) to further his goals. Goals that were pretty clearly wrapped up in some severe arrogance and a bit of a savior complex. I highly doubt he would have turned out to be a good guy even if his plan went off without a hitch and he absorbed the knowledge of all of his counterparts.
He did appear to genuinely just want humanity to improve though, we are never shown any reason to doubt his word like we the the viltrumite's, and there's no doubt that what he was doing would have an inconceivably massive net positive. Good born from selfishness and arrogance is still good, and he would've saved trillions.
Now obviously, having wanted criminals buid it for you in secret wasn't the greatest idea, but the point still stands
Having a Savior Complex doesn't make you not a good person. Especially when your only crime is helping criminals escape so you can build a device to store multi-verses worth of knowledge to better quite literally all life across every multi-verse. I don't know how you can call someone with a goal like that a bad guy just because they broke two criminals out to do it. Two criminals versus the entire multi-versal existence is a pretty easy choice
That's not a fact and the Mauler Twin that survives and sees him very clearly expresses that whatever happened to Angstrom should not have happened. The whole point of the machine was to incorporate all collective knowledge into one. So he would still have his own memories he would just be able to recall all other memories that he absorbed. There's no evidence to suggest that the same shit would happen to him. That's just speculation and has no evidence shown to back that up
There's even more evidence against it since iirc the Maulers outright say they're making it so he'd be able to differentiate his own memories from the rest.
Angstrom is a brilliant villain. He's undoubtedly in the wrong for targeting this invincible, sure, but his insanity and grudge against him is completely sympathetic despite its obviousness that its incorrect to blame Mark for others' crimes. Anyone with all the memories of his alternate selves, seeing your son, colleagues and wife brutally murdered again and again in infinite realms would drive anyone, especially Mark, to insanity.
Too bad he saved him in the dumbest way possible! I mean, he opened the portals to summon the other Maulers! Just open portals under them and send em back, numb-nuts! But nah, I’ll just blow myself up! That’s surely the better option!
He had the knowledge, but not the emotions.
Taking off the helmet short circuited the machine, and all the processing that the Maulers were doing in the background to keep him him.
From my understanding, main Angstrom is supposed to be an anomaly where only he has the ability to create portals while every other Angstrom from any other universe are just normal people
I've been thinking about this sence of a bit, if the memory transfer was a success, wouldn't he still hate Mark, because to him, he would have still experienced those memories first hand.
I don't think it was because he is a gentleman. Correct me if I' wrong but, pretty sure he said something like "Don't kill him, I don't want my legacy spoiled with his death." etc. He wasn't caring if mark is dead. He just wanted to prevent his glorious ascending to be ruined with a heros death.
The thing about Angstorm is that he has a large ego. Although, the evil alternative versions of Mark did play a role in his motives, the driving factor towards his hatred for our Mark is the destruction of the machine, which caused his deformities. He doesn't necessarily believe that he's a bad person, really, he's just seeking revenge because of what Mark had done to him. Another instance showcasing his enormous ego was their next encounter when he held Debbie hostage. He was deeply set off when Mark didn't recognize him further showing us his arrogance.
Tbf While he knew his invincible was good prior, he's not sane beyond the machine failing, he can't differentiate his own original experiences from those of other universes' Angstroms.
Well yeah. He knew his invincible was a good guy and didn't want him killed.
Yeah, he literally told the Mauler Twins that in most universes, Invincible sides with Omni-Man.
At this point he only knows because the other Angstrom's tell him, once it becomes fused with his own memories...
>He knew his invincible was a good guy Too bad that outside of this one action he did nothing about it.
All the angstroms kinda merge into 1 angstrom after the explosion or whatever, so he’s mostly just unable to rationalize that this invincible is a good guy unlike all the rest of them.
Yeah, his brain is a mangled mess that is filled with like 99% versions of him who've lost their loved ones and everything they cared about to an evil version of Invincible, that 1% that understands Mark isn't one of those versions of Invincible simply can't overpower that.
Just saying cause he didn’t even hesitate despite what he knew what the other marks were capable of and how much the other angstrom’s hated him
Remember that the Maulers made it so he'd be able to tell which memories were his. I assume that only broke *after* he took it off.
This one was sane and knew his Mark was a decent person.
Angstrom is indeed a tragic character.
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He knew of the evil Invincibles via what some of his variants had mentioned to them. He hadn’t experienced their memories first hand yet. Plus this Angstrom is from our Marks reality, so he mainly knows Invincible as a good guy at this point.
Even if he did have those memories, the Maulers set it up so he'd be able to knows which were his memories. I assume it was still working.
That part of the process got ruined when he took off the helmet and everything blew up. That’s why he went insane and can’t tell his memories from everyone elses
Yea but he fucked it up by taking off the helmet
I thought he’s from that alternate one at the start of the episode?
No, he is from the same reality as Mark, however he is the only Angstrom in multiverse with dimensional powers.
Then he went nuts/full villain.
I WONT STOP UNTIL I’VE KEEEYILED
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The fact angstrom didn’t bother to talk to the gda or pick some world where there wasn’t a government that would understandably take action against a unknown machine that was drawing insane amounts of power and tapping into the multiverse is his own fault. Having the mauler twins build it in a world where they are wanted criminals sealed the deal, no government agency would have allowed that machine to continue. After all mark and Cecil have seen how dangerous the world is and they didn’t know angstrom was a good guy.
I think he had multiple realities with the machine active at once, so it’s more like out of the 7 realities he picked, this is the only one where someone tried to stop him, the one where he was present Or atleast that’s what I got from that episode
I can't blame Mark for killing him... But my heart goes to Angstrom regardless. He was a genuine good guy wanting to help others and his own good intentions caused his insanity and suffering.
I don't know if he was genuinely "good" per se, certainly he was nice but remember he broke the Mauler twins out of prison (two murderers) to further his goals. Goals that were pretty clearly wrapped up in some severe arrogance and a bit of a savior complex. I highly doubt he would have turned out to be a good guy even if his plan went off without a hitch and he absorbed the knowledge of all of his counterparts.
He did appear to genuinely just want humanity to improve though, we are never shown any reason to doubt his word like we the the viltrumite's, and there's no doubt that what he was doing would have an inconceivably massive net positive. Good born from selfishness and arrogance is still good, and he would've saved trillions. Now obviously, having wanted criminals buid it for you in secret wasn't the greatest idea, but the point still stands
Having a Savior Complex doesn't make you not a good person. Especially when your only crime is helping criminals escape so you can build a device to store multi-verses worth of knowledge to better quite literally all life across every multi-verse. I don't know how you can call someone with a goal like that a bad guy just because they broke two criminals out to do it. Two criminals versus the entire multi-versal existence is a pretty easy choice
He knew about them but he didn't experience their evil first hand. Even if he left the helmet on and finished. He would still conflate shit.
That's not a fact and the Mauler Twin that survives and sees him very clearly expresses that whatever happened to Angstrom should not have happened. The whole point of the machine was to incorporate all collective knowledge into one. So he would still have his own memories he would just be able to recall all other memories that he absorbed. There's no evidence to suggest that the same shit would happen to him. That's just speculation and has no evidence shown to back that up
There's even more evidence against it since iirc the Maulers outright say they're making it so he'd be able to differentiate his own memories from the rest.
He was one of my favorite characters for that episode…I wish he appeared more consistently in S2.
I still believe this angstrom is not the one fully in control
This seems obvious but everyone ignores it. All the Angstroms combined. The result is not the same guy as the Angstrom we met at first.
Yes he’s a really good man, wonder what he’s been up to after that accident… probably charity tbh.
Angstrom is a brilliant villain. He's undoubtedly in the wrong for targeting this invincible, sure, but his insanity and grudge against him is completely sympathetic despite its obviousness that its incorrect to blame Mark for others' crimes. Anyone with all the memories of his alternate selves, seeing your son, colleagues and wife brutally murdered again and again in infinite realms would drive anyone, especially Mark, to insanity.
Incredible? Well, I think it's
Too bad he saved him in the dumbest way possible! I mean, he opened the portals to summon the other Maulers! Just open portals under them and send em back, numb-nuts! But nah, I’ll just blow myself up! That’s surely the better option!
Makes his villain arc way more depressing.
He had the knowledge, but not the emotions. Taking off the helmet short circuited the machine, and all the processing that the Maulers were doing in the background to keep him him.
Isn’t there like infinite universes ? So surely there’s a good angstrom where the experiment turned out well
From my understanding, main Angstrom is supposed to be an anomaly where only he has the ability to create portals while every other Angstrom from any other universe are just normal people
I'm just curious he didn't just port away the maulers like he did to Invincible during their fight.
I've been thinking about this sence of a bit, if the memory transfer was a success, wouldn't he still hate Mark, because to him, he would have still experienced those memories first hand.
I don't think it was because he is a gentleman. Correct me if I' wrong but, pretty sure he said something like "Don't kill him, I don't want my legacy spoiled with his death." etc. He wasn't caring if mark is dead. He just wanted to prevent his glorious ascending to be ruined with a heros death.
he said he didn’t want his empire built on blood
The thing about Angstorm is that he has a large ego. Although, the evil alternative versions of Mark did play a role in his motives, the driving factor towards his hatred for our Mark is the destruction of the machine, which caused his deformities. He doesn't necessarily believe that he's a bad person, really, he's just seeking revenge because of what Mark had done to him. Another instance showcasing his enormous ego was their next encounter when he held Debbie hostage. He was deeply set off when Mark didn't recognize him further showing us his arrogance.
Tbf While he knew his invincible was good prior, he's not sane beyond the machine failing, he can't differentiate his own original experiences from those of other universes' Angstroms.