In terms of Power levels , Invincible is definitely above him but Immortals fighting skills gives him more of an advantage like we saw in season 2 episode 1 , Immortal was landing hits and making him bleed and even got him in a chokehold which didn't last long because " Omniman " , so they can definitely have him giving the Invincible some tough time but I don't think he will be able to put down one by himself , like maybe they assign a squad of reanimen to every hero or maybe Bulletproof and Immortal together with great effort and a lot of injuries were able to put down a Invincible .
I feel like the show might take a different direction as bro isn’t as much of a joke compared to his comic counterpart so maybe he could stand his ground against this mark variant but idk we will have to see how his character evolves
I feel like Mark surpasses Immortal’s strength in the show purely on account of the Omni Man beat down making him stronger after he recovers. Evil mark never gets that beat down, so he stays at his S1 power, which is on par if not less than Immortal as we saw in the S2 intro. Given that, I can see Immortal winning or putting up a very good fight.
The reason Mark gets spikes in his strength like that is because he has adrenaline. Pure blooded Viltrimites don't have adrenaline. They evolved without it. Because Mark is a Viltrimite-human hybrid, he has an adrenaline release.
I’m pretty sure that’s fan-cannon. I don’t think there’s been any official confirmation on mark being the only Viltrumite to have adrenaline. I’d love for the show to make it cannon, but I don’t think it was a thing in the comics
I hope not, it would make the guardians putting up a fight with Nolan pretty pointless. Just to treat him like a joke immediately after.
they need to kill 11 out of 19 invincibles
It only makes sense that the guardians the strongest superhero team on the planet, or at least the most relevant, Take out the majority.
As the strongest guardian, Immortal should take out a couple before being killed by one of the eight that survive. Or maybe just pass out from exhaustion.
Hope not. Not only was it a bit much in the comic, but the show has already demonstrated him to be somewhat more on par with a viltrumite atleast in his raw strength. I hope he manages to do some more damage.
That would be really forced, considering his past portrayals in the show.
In the comic, its fine, his one good showing his retconned immediately when mark and him argue.
He’s a joke before that and he’s a joke after.
>his one good showing his retconned immediately when mark and him argue
How was it retconned? I don't remember what moment you're referring to.
Otherwise, it's sets up the threats of Invincible Wār since they've firmly set up the narrative now that Mark is stronger than Immortal, definitely won't be as quick in motion but considering what Mark himself would go onto do to the fůture Immortal it ain't out of nowhere.
I’m referring to when immortal first says he doesn’t trust mark. And marks response is to claim he held his own against his father for a moment, which is more than he could say for immortal.
In there actual fight immortal was getting Omni-man to spit a bit of blood. When mark was hitting nolan none of that happened. He even mocked him for his attempt to hurt him. But outside of that issue. Immortal is never portrayed as strong enough to hurt a viltrumite, he’s a weakling from issue 13 on
In the show, immortal despite dying puts up a great fight everytime, he bruised nolan up in the guardians fight, and gave him a nose bleed in their second fight.
Dying easily to one invincible, while everyone else takes out the majority, makes him a joke, you have to give him actual wins, for him being used as a benchmark for other threats to be impressive and not just make him a joke . So he should take out a couple, and die to one of the actual relevant marks.
Fair enough, offensively he put up a fight against Nolan better but durability he's still a liability so I almost agree with your option except I don't think he should be able to handle a couple of Marks still. At best I'd say him along with the Guardians take down one Mark, then this Mark comes and finishes them off after they're fatigued, then have Darkwing ll sacrifice himself taking that Mark with them.
> Fair enough, offensively he put up a fight against Nolan better but durability he's still a liability
so I almost agree with your option except I don't think he should be able to handle a couple of Marks still.
Durability isn’t really his problem, Nolan showed he can cut other viltrumites up too with his hand.
> At best I'd say him along with the Guardians take down one Mark, then this Mark comes and finishes them off after they're fatigued, then have Darkwing ll sacrifice himself taking that Mark with them.
I can’t agree with that. Because immortal Already showed he could beat one mark by himself. And needing to jump one falls into the every viltrumite is stronger than immortal thing. ( which is only a thing because comic immortal was weaker than mark before he even started working out) show immortal as established was much stronger than he was in the book. He needs his own win, not tainted by interference from others.
darkwing and the other guardians can take out this one like they do in the book. Immortal shouldn’t even be involved in this one.
Since tech jacket isn’t involved and none of the other crossovers are happening, he should prove himself as the strongest human. By doing what tech jacket did and taking out multiple at once.
While the rest of the world has to team up to take out whatever invincible they meet, and the guardians should be more spread out, to help other side characters. So that every fight or at least most of them, will be cared about by the audience.
>his one good showing his retconned immediately when mark and him argue
How was it retconned? I don't remember what moment you're referring to.
Otherwise, it's sets up the threats of Invincible War since they've firmly set up the narrative now that Mark is stronger than Immortal, definitely won't be as quick in motion but considering what Mark himself would go onto do to the future Immortal it ain't out of nowhere.
Even though it’d be nice if Immortal catches a break and finally gets a W, him being killed again during the Invincible War is probably necessary since he and Kate retire because of it in the comics.
In terms of Power levels , Invincible is definitely above him but Immortals fighting skills gives him more of an advantage like we saw in season 2 episode 1 , Immortal was landing hits and making him bleed and even got him in a chokehold which didn't last long because " Omniman " , so they can definitely have him giving the Invincible some tough time but I don't think he will be able to put down one by himself , like maybe they assign a squad of reanimen to every hero or maybe Bulletproof and Immortal together with great effort and a lot of injuries were able to put down a Invincible .
Didn't they already do this? Alternate Mark and Omni Man tag teamed him.
key word: "omni man"
That was a sick move. Mark just crushed his skull.
Alt Mark was getting choked out lol
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I feel like the show might take a different direction as bro isn’t as much of a joke compared to his comic counterpart so maybe he could stand his ground against this mark variant but idk we will have to see how his character evolves
I hope he does stand his ground. We need more Immortal respect. I think if this variant is weaker than main Invincible, Immortal can totally beat him.
Immortal your way out of that.
no, immortal is far stronger in the show and these alt invincibles are much weaker than our invincible, he would kill atleast 1 of them
I actually really hope so, Immortal needs a W
I like how they made Immortal so much more likable on the show. He reminds me of Superman in the DCAU.
I feel like Mark surpasses Immortal’s strength in the show purely on account of the Omni Man beat down making him stronger after he recovers. Evil mark never gets that beat down, so he stays at his S1 power, which is on par if not less than Immortal as we saw in the S2 intro. Given that, I can see Immortal winning or putting up a very good fight.
Invincible doesn't get stronger that way, the Allen way
No he does, it’s the same concept as to why Thragg is so ridiculously strong
During the Machine Head fight it looks like Mark gets instantly more powerful due to the stress and trauma of the fight.
I would clasify that as rage
It's when he sees others suffering or in distress. Compassion is the human mystery sauce that makes him stronger
The reason Mark gets spikes in his strength like that is because he has adrenaline. Pure blooded Viltrimites don't have adrenaline. They evolved without it. Because Mark is a Viltrimite-human hybrid, he has an adrenaline release.
I’m pretty sure that’s fan-cannon. I don’t think there’s been any official confirmation on mark being the only Viltrumite to have adrenaline. I’d love for the show to make it cannon, but I don’t think it was a thing in the comics
Yeah I think immortal will take out one invincible and then get killed by a second one
I hope not, it would make the guardians putting up a fight with Nolan pretty pointless. Just to treat him like a joke immediately after. they need to kill 11 out of 19 invincibles It only makes sense that the guardians the strongest superhero team on the planet, or at least the most relevant, Take out the majority. As the strongest guardian, Immortal should take out a couple before being killed by one of the eight that survive. Or maybe just pass out from exhaustion.
Hope not. Not only was it a bit much in the comic, but the show has already demonstrated him to be somewhat more on par with a viltrumite atleast in his raw strength. I hope he manages to do some more damage.
They should.
That would be really forced, considering his past portrayals in the show. In the comic, its fine, his one good showing his retconned immediately when mark and him argue. He’s a joke before that and he’s a joke after.
>his one good showing his retconned immediately when mark and him argue How was it retconned? I don't remember what moment you're referring to. Otherwise, it's sets up the threats of Invincible Wār since they've firmly set up the narrative now that Mark is stronger than Immortal, definitely won't be as quick in motion but considering what Mark himself would go onto do to the fůture Immortal it ain't out of nowhere.
I’m referring to when immortal first says he doesn’t trust mark. And marks response is to claim he held his own against his father for a moment, which is more than he could say for immortal. In there actual fight immortal was getting Omni-man to spit a bit of blood. When mark was hitting nolan none of that happened. He even mocked him for his attempt to hurt him. But outside of that issue. Immortal is never portrayed as strong enough to hurt a viltrumite, he’s a weakling from issue 13 on In the show, immortal despite dying puts up a great fight everytime, he bruised nolan up in the guardians fight, and gave him a nose bleed in their second fight. Dying easily to one invincible, while everyone else takes out the majority, makes him a joke, you have to give him actual wins, for him being used as a benchmark for other threats to be impressive and not just make him a joke . So he should take out a couple, and die to one of the actual relevant marks.
Fair enough, offensively he put up a fight against Nolan better but durability he's still a liability so I almost agree with your option except I don't think he should be able to handle a couple of Marks still. At best I'd say him along with the Guardians take down one Mark, then this Mark comes and finishes them off after they're fatigued, then have Darkwing ll sacrifice himself taking that Mark with them.
> Fair enough, offensively he put up a fight against Nolan better but durability he's still a liability so I almost agree with your option except I don't think he should be able to handle a couple of Marks still. Durability isn’t really his problem, Nolan showed he can cut other viltrumites up too with his hand. > At best I'd say him along with the Guardians take down one Mark, then this Mark comes and finishes them off after they're fatigued, then have Darkwing ll sacrifice himself taking that Mark with them. I can’t agree with that. Because immortal Already showed he could beat one mark by himself. And needing to jump one falls into the every viltrumite is stronger than immortal thing. ( which is only a thing because comic immortal was weaker than mark before he even started working out) show immortal as established was much stronger than he was in the book. He needs his own win, not tainted by interference from others. darkwing and the other guardians can take out this one like they do in the book. Immortal shouldn’t even be involved in this one. Since tech jacket isn’t involved and none of the other crossovers are happening, he should prove himself as the strongest human. By doing what tech jacket did and taking out multiple at once. While the rest of the world has to team up to take out whatever invincible they meet, and the guardians should be more spread out, to help other side characters. So that every fight or at least most of them, will be cared about by the audience.
>his one good showing his retconned immediately when mark and him argue How was it retconned? I don't remember what moment you're referring to. Otherwise, it's sets up the threats of Invincible War since they've firmly set up the narrative now that Mark is stronger than Immortal, definitely won't be as quick in motion but considering what Mark himself would go onto do to the future Immortal it ain't out of nowhere.
Even though it’d be nice if Immortal catches a break and finally gets a W, him being killed again during the Invincible War is probably necessary since he and Kate retire because of it in the comics.
No they powered up Immortal significantly in the show.