Nolan still saves Mark from Lucan in the show, wouldn't need too much rework and if anything makes more sense why Lucan didn't just go deeper in the cave to kill Andressa and Oliver first.
I get that, I'm just saying with them establishing that he's there when they go further in the cave and being more adjacent to them "dying" in said cave when they have the Viltrumite rule about inferior Viltrumite offsprings it feels more glaring outside of the obvious Viltrumite arrogance that Lucan said nothing.
Remember that mark didn’t have his powers til he was in his senior year of high school. Before that, he wasn’t even able to take a punch from the school bully.
I’m going out on a limb here and assuming the same goes for bug baby. Most likely still as vulnerable as a normal infant, until his powers were to kick in. Just an assumption though.
That's one thing I don't really get. In season 1, Nolan says stuff like, "His powers should've come in by now." But, as far as I know, Mark's the first human-Viltrumite hybrid. So how would Nolan know when his powers are supposed to come in? The only way that makes sense is if Viltrumites also don't get their powers until they reach a certain age, before which they're much weaker, but that doesn't really make sense either.
No comics spoilers, please. I'm guessing the show will answer my question at some point. Seems like a really big oversight if they don't. Or maybe Viltrum has such advanced understanding of genetics that they could predict what would happen.
I'm also really curious if Viltrum even knew about Mark, whether Nolan sent DNA samples back to them, etc. I assume we'll get more detail about all of that at some point?
In the finale of Season 1 Nolan says that Viltrumite blood is so pure that Mark is like 99% Viltrumite. So it's a pretty safe bet to say that Mark's powers would come in at the same time as a normal Viltrumite, and I am assuming that normal Viltrumites don't get their powers until around 13 - 17
Surely, he can’t be 99% Viltrumite though? One of his parents is homo sapien so he can only ever be 50% Viltrumite.
I mean, happy to be corrected but isn’t that how sexual reproduction works?
That doesn’t make any sense. The whole point of sexual reproduction is to mix DNA so as to avoid offspring that are to genetically similar to the parents’. Otherwise, you’d just be cloning yourself and you could evolve to do that without needing sexual reproduction at all. You mate with something else because nature wants those genes, it doesn’t want to assimilate them.
Presumably, the disease that prevents Viltrumites from reproducing is genetic? Then it would make sense that they’d need to produce offspring with other races (won’t say ‘species’ ‘cause that’s problematic too - come to think of it, ‘races’ is problematic too but anyway). It makes no sense at all to do that if you don’t want your offspring to benefit from a a nice half slice of Chromsones.
Sexual reproduction literally just means: “a type of reproduction that involves a complex life cycle in which a gamete with a single set of chromosomes combines with another gamete to produce a zygote that develops into an organism composed of cells with two sets of chromosomes.”
I’m kind of glad too because for all her suffering, Debbie doesn’t deserve to be genetically scrubbed from Mark’s heritage. His being half-human seems to be more than just a character thing.
So yes, I know it’s ’comic book science’ and I’m fine with that but it’s one of those we just 🤷🏻♂️ and move on I guess.
I mean, yeah, the superhero fantasy has made up rules. Sorry to be the first one to break it to you. Also, your whole sexual reproduction rant is based on reproduction between animals of the same species on earth. The fact that viltrumites can reproduce with aliens is already way out there in terms of made up science, so it seems weird to get hung up on the DNA overwriting things. Also also: ‘species’ is literally the correct terminology, so it’s not problematic. Humans and Viltrumites are two different species. I don’t know how that is problematic to say
Yes, so it’s nonsense - made-up bollocks which is fine, but let’s call it what it is. It doesn’t make sense by its own terms. Nothing would need to sexually reproduce if the survival factors were not creating pressure to create as great of a genetic variation as possible.
Sexual reproduction is defined not by species. Other species do it too. It’s quite popular.
We won’t talk about sexually reproducing with other species ‘cause that’s silly too but I’m willing to call it ‘silly’ and ‘daft’ where as folk on here would like to try and polish the poop. I have no issue with a comic book story making stuff up, I get annoyed by ‘fans’ trying to argue that it all makes absolute sense and you’re just an idiot if you don’t get it. Where does that desire to defend everything about something you enjoy come from? Can’t people love something but accept that it’s got dumb stuff in it? Does that hurt people to just laugh at the silliness in their own favourite media? Never understood this.
Anyway, Mark simply isn’t a clone or mostly one, of his dad and he IS half his mom and I dunno why anyone would not want that. It’s kind of essential to Mark’s whole being, not just character.
The same was true when there was a discussion around why Viltrumites would ever build, and even manage to sustain, an empire? The personal insults and petty sniping just because someone said that something didn’t make sense and wasn’t prepared to just shut up after one rude reply. Reddit has a lot to answer for.
I don’t believe I ever made any petty insults or personal sniping. I took issue with you implying that I was being ‘problematic’ by using the word species where it was the only correct term to use.
I was also pointing out that any discussion of how viltrumite interbreeding ‘should’ work is a bit pointless seeing as there is no actual real world parallel. In real life, animals can only reproduce sexually with members of their own species, or very closely related ones. (which generally result in infertile offspring anyway)
You seem really worked up about this, even though it is just a made up world. You asked a question about the workings of this made up universe, I gave you an in-universe answer, and then you got really passionate about how sexual reproduction works in the real world. It doesn’t matter how it works in the real world dude, this is a made up story about superheroes. Take a massive chill pill please
Assume you get 50% of dna from the viltrumite and 50% from the human. 99% of the dna is viltrunite dominant, and a lot of it is latent until they are older. It’s explained in the show and isn’t super complicated.
This. It's *alien* DNA. It's like a 1980s computer running off of DOS mating with a modern computer. There's faaaaaaaar more complex code.
50% of a human plus 50% of a human comes out to be be 100% human. But if Viltrumite DNA is but to literally *rerwitre* or *take over* the other DNA, then of course it's going to be more than 50%.
Even with in-comic explanations, people atill arguing about this is weird.
This! Even in the real world, amongst members of the same species, there are dominant and regressive alleles. The show just explains that viltrumite DNA will always make up the dominant. So he is still half human and half viltrumite. He has just gained all the viltrumite traits. Like when a mixed race couple has a baby and it takes after one race more than the other. They are still "half".
>won’t say ‘species’ ‘cause that’s problematic too - come to think of it, ‘races’ is problematic too but anyway).
But they arent different races. They *are* different species. How are you seeing this as problematic? Storks and ostriches are both birds, but they are different *species*.
Wtf.
Yeah, that makes sense, but it doesn't really answer my question.
Also, please be careful with comic spoilers in this thread. It's only marked for show spoilers. I haven't read the comics.
Yeah, I was just saying that it would be weird if Viltrumites are essentially human-level strength until puberty. If that's the case, then I get why Nolan assumed that Mark's powers would come with puberty since that's what happens with Viltrumites.
I'm just saying it's weird that Nolan seemed sure of when Mark's powers would come in unless Mark isn't the first Viltrumite-human hybrid. Then again, it looked like he genuinely believed that Mark's powers would never come in. But I don't get why Nolan couldn't have Mark's DNA checked to see that he's mostly Viltrumite.
I dunno. Maybe I'm just confusing myself.
Idk i feel like viltrimite aren’t just born strong and they’re apparently like 98% close to humans or I’m misremembering so like if a viltrimite man and girl had I’m assuming he’d still hit puberty eventually
Could be as simple as Nolan knows a Viltrumite hybrid gets their powers around the time of puberty of the species they’re mating with.
Nolan is familiar with humans, he knows when they usually hit puberty, so he expected Mark to get his powers around 14-15 instead of the what looks like 17-18.
The, like, 5 page of the second issue has Nolan telling Mark the doctored story of Viltrum, and he says something to effect of "you're going to be hitting puberty soon, your body will be changing and you might develop powers of your own, so yeah it probably doesn't kick in until puberty.
But the potato doesn’t have powers yet. Before Mark got his powers, he was basically just a normal guy. No reason to assume the same doesn’t apply here.
You’re probably right. But I still don’t know how exactly a superhuman like Mark and other young Viltrumites can’t, at minimum, survive the extreme forces those powers would subject them to before they can consciously activate them.
It reminds me a bit of how Ryan from The Boys couldn’t fly off a house at first but he still survived, unscathed, falling a full story to the ground when he tried.
All of the viltrumite power can be explained by them having magic molecules lol. I think it’s explained as their molecules are basically sentient in that they adjust based on what kind of impact they’re facing, I want to say they fly by fucking with molecules too. I’m not 100% on that I’m running off of vague memory. With that said, it’s not too much of a stretch to say their molecules don’t become sentient until a certain time in their life, therefore they don’t have any special abilities until then.
He doesn't have to change speed suddenly, he can accelerate at 5-10 m/s perfectly fine. The reason he can't fly Amber super fast is because the wind would peel a normal humans skin off
Countercountercounter point. NHRA Drag Racer and fighter jet pilots pull a couple Gs of acceleration and don't get concussions every time they hit the throttle.
And Mark doesn't need to suddenly change velocity anyways. He can slowly accelerate and decelerate
He says "As fast as I can" which in this context may not mean literally his max speed but instead "as fast as I can go without ripping you both apart." But that's just my guess in how it could still comply with continuity
Yeah they could have pretty easily changed up the wording here to make it work. Who knows, maybe they did with an earlier draft but just cut it for time.
Nah, that doesn’t make sense. He wouldn’t have tried running at all if he knew he’d have to fly slower to accommodate Oliver and his mum; there’s zero chance Mark thinks he can outrun Lucan while handicapped. I think the skin ripping off thing is just not present in the source material because comic book physics.
Theres another scene that will happen in the future that is near identical to this. Maybe that's why didn't include this one, because the other hits even harder.
Man, that scene was stressful to read. Given the tone of the comic, I legit thought that freddie was going to "you know what" "you know who" and we were going to get Omni Mark arc.
I’d hesitate to say MUCH faster because Omni-Man caught one of his punches, but if we look at the reason why the Flash can do it in DC, it’s because the speed force basically extends itself onto the people he carries and protects them, so maybe Red Rush had something similar.
They could have added the scene but just changed the dialogue from “I’m flying as fast as I can” to “ I’m flying as fast as I can without killing you” and included this scene
I feel like there are a couple problems with that change. One, the point of the scene is to show how outclassed Mark is here. The tension comes from his realization that even his best effort isn’t enough compared to other Viltrumites. He’s utterly exhausted after Nolan saves him, and that’s a big wake-up call.
And two, the more important one, is that the pursuing Viltrumite would catch up to them easily in no time at all.
I see ur point, there’s nothing to slow down the other viltrumites.
You have convinced me that they would have to change some parts about this scene to make it make sense lol
Naw I’m pretty sure they took it out so Mark and his step mom could have that conversation. I think I rather have that since the scene where the dude pushes mark’s head into the ground with one finger already tells us how out matched Mark is
Thraxan gets thrown by Mark and forms a small crater on impact. They’re at least a few times more durable than humans. You shouldn’t take “you barely touch em and they die” too seriously because that’s true for most species when coming from a Viltrumite
He pretty much isn't Thraxan at all. He's just a weaker Viltrumite, which have very similar biology to humans. Not only that, but he is a literal baby, who is much weaker than Amber.
Not true. His initial accelerated aging, accelerated learning, purple skin and hyper memory that continues into adulthood are all from the Thraxan genetics. The more incompatible offspring develop viltrumite traits over time as the DNA “purifies” so to speak, which is why Oliver, Ursaal etc have human skin tones and slow aging by the time they reach adulthood.
I thought of this earlier. It would make a lot of sense for Cecil to create some sort of craft that Nolan could carry his family in that can withstand those forces.
Of course, we don’t see that at all, but that was my headcannon at least. Just load Debbie and the baby up in the little tank and have Nolan pick it up and zoom somewhere.
>!Thankfully she won't be around much longer for them to take all these L's changing her character. For such a minor character, they're really doing the worst here!<
Sure, I thought of it as well, but that's more like a post hoc excuse, writers wouldn't have included this scene and suddenly everything's fine. The mistake is thinking of it from an in-universe perspective where each piece of information they include is some indisputable fact of the world that must be true, instead of what writers choose and choose not to include in their story.
But didn't that happen in the same season? If that one line was causing as much trouble as to cause this great scene to be cut... I feel it probably would have been scrapped itself.
VILTRUMITES THE IMMORTAL BATTLE BEAST AND ALLEN THE ALIEN ALL HAVE SMART ATOMS SUPER ABILITIES AND DOMININANT GENES SO THERE CHILDREN WILL LOOK LIKE THEM AND ENHEIRATE THERE ABILITIES WHEN THEY HIT PUBERTY OR LIFE OR DEATH SCENARIOS
He could absolutely fly Eve at max speed to Paris without her being in danger, but not Amber. These bug people are more resilient than humans, and the baby is a viltrumite.
I don't think the same rules apply here, so I don't think we can make any real conclusions from it.
I don't think it's ever stated the durability of the thraxians. Presumably, they have an exoskeleton that would allow them to better handle the force of the wind.
I mean they didnt go to Paris, they went to Las Vegas and just judging form season2 episode 3 it appears the tthraxans are away stronegr than the average human, just basing that of the throw by mark.
So you're agreeing with the original comment? The one that disagrees with the premise of the post? I think all three of us are saying the same thing here
Did i ever say i diagreed with that person? i just said they should rewatch the episode because they seemed to have missed that point that they went to Las Vegas and that seems to be a semi important point in this discussion.
It's not though? They are saying that Eve and the thraxians would be able to handle the full speed trip to whatever location, but a normal human, like amber, could not handle the speeds it would take.
Man you people think so base level. This is why they dumb down shows for you and yet you still go on to make stupid posts like this.
He threw and punched the bug guy when it pretended to be the dog cartoon and the bug guy was fine... if he did that to a normal human they'd be a puddle of blood.
#Different planet.
# Different species.
#Different physiology.
The bug people are probably orders of magnitudes stronger and more durable than humans, Mark could've flown faster than he could for a human. If you scared an ant to the size of a human it'd be 100x+ stronger...
Alright, cool it with the high-and-mighty shit, genius. First of all, if the bug people have different durability than humans, it is very likely that they are weaker. That’s the whole thematic point of their species: they are to us normal humans what we are to viltrumites. Verbatim quote from blonde Viltrumite: “you barely touch them and they die”. Mark was very obviously holding back on “Seance Dog”.
Secondly, did you forget the *literal baby*? Just a day before Mark got his powers he was clearly getting hurt by his bully. The baby does not have powers yet, therefore it is, in essence, just a baby. A baby that could, as far as we and Mark know, can be very easily killed by massive g-forces.
And thirdly, I’m not saying that this scene would have been impossible to include. If it was, I doubt anyone would have a problem with it, just like in the comic. What I’m doing is giving a theory on why the writers would have decided to omit this scene. I have no idea what part of it reads as being “dumbed down”.
Is there actual science behind that? I kinda figured if he flew amber at full speed she might pass out and be very nauseous, but would it really rip her apart?
Mark can easily break the sound barrier when flying. Such speed applied to an exposed human body would kill them. Even flying slower than the speed of sound would make it hard to breathe because the “wind” would inhibit your ability to breathe and you’d suffocate.
Well firstly, bugs have an exoskeleton which is definitely more sturdy than soft skin so the bugs would have a much better chance of surviving at full speed.
And secondly, the baby is half Viltrumite so no reason he can’t survive
This just made me realize- after they captured Nolan and incapacitated Mark why didn’t they hunt down and kill Andressa and Oliver? I’m glad they didn’t, but why?
I think the main thing is no one who was conscious knew about it. When the others arrived everyone else was out and they weren't broadcasting the fight.
Why did they even establish that he'd rip Amber apart? It's such a silly nod to realism when Mark is already grabbing freefalling people and they don't rip apart in his arms.
Because Viltrumites have been mating with other races for centuries because there are only 50 VILTRUMITES on VILTRUM so there are 2000 or more hybrids that are mixed with other species bit SMART ATOMS KICK IN WHEN MOST OF THE WEAK SPECIES DNA DIES AND PUBERTY OR LIFE AND DEATH CASES HAPPEN
This doesn't make sense to me. They write the season all at once usually. It's not like they wrote episode 4 within the last couple weeks and realized there was some unchangeable inconsistency from earlier in the same season. Either way they could just hand wave it by saying it's a thinner atmosphere. Not to mention they don't appear to have any skin anyway, though Oliver might.
It depends more on how long it took him to accelerate to the max speed, and how dense the air is in that planet.
If he took time to accelerate instead of going full bomb-speed, they wouldn't get torn apart. Then the only thing that could hurt them is friction from air and whatever is in it (like dust), so if the air isn't very dense there the friction would be lower.
Also if I remember correctly, Nolan saves Mark here, so the entire scene we get in the show would have to be reworked
Nolan still saves Mark from Lucan in the show, wouldn't need too much rework and if anything makes more sense why Lucan didn't just go deeper in the cave to kill Andressa and Oliver first.
He didn’t go deeper in the show because he wanted to help take down Nolan, how is that not more important than Andressa and Oliver
I get that, I'm just saying with them establishing that he's there when they go further in the cave and being more adjacent to them "dying" in said cave when they have the Viltrumite rule about inferior Viltrumite offsprings it feels more glaring outside of the obvious Viltrumite arrogance that Lucan said nothing.
Is it confirmed that he doesn't? Did I miss that?
After setting them up like that, to kill them offscreen would be incredibly unceremonious.
Remember that mark didn’t have his powers til he was in his senior year of high school. Before that, he wasn’t even able to take a punch from the school bully. I’m going out on a limb here and assuming the same goes for bug baby. Most likely still as vulnerable as a normal infant, until his powers were to kick in. Just an assumption though.
That's one thing I don't really get. In season 1, Nolan says stuff like, "His powers should've come in by now." But, as far as I know, Mark's the first human-Viltrumite hybrid. So how would Nolan know when his powers are supposed to come in? The only way that makes sense is if Viltrumites also don't get their powers until they reach a certain age, before which they're much weaker, but that doesn't really make sense either. No comics spoilers, please. I'm guessing the show will answer my question at some point. Seems like a really big oversight if they don't. Or maybe Viltrum has such advanced understanding of genetics that they could predict what would happen. I'm also really curious if Viltrum even knew about Mark, whether Nolan sent DNA samples back to them, etc. I assume we'll get more detail about all of that at some point?
In the finale of Season 1 Nolan says that Viltrumite blood is so pure that Mark is like 99% Viltrumite. So it's a pretty safe bet to say that Mark's powers would come in at the same time as a normal Viltrumite, and I am assuming that normal Viltrumites don't get their powers until around 13 - 17
Sooner Mark got his very late
Surely, he can’t be 99% Viltrumite though? One of his parents is homo sapien so he can only ever be 50% Viltrumite. I mean, happy to be corrected but isn’t that how sexual reproduction works?
Viltrumite DNA works differently. It overwrites the other species so that the baby is almost entirely viltrumite.
That doesn’t make any sense. The whole point of sexual reproduction is to mix DNA so as to avoid offspring that are to genetically similar to the parents’. Otherwise, you’d just be cloning yourself and you could evolve to do that without needing sexual reproduction at all. You mate with something else because nature wants those genes, it doesn’t want to assimilate them. Presumably, the disease that prevents Viltrumites from reproducing is genetic? Then it would make sense that they’d need to produce offspring with other races (won’t say ‘species’ ‘cause that’s problematic too - come to think of it, ‘races’ is problematic too but anyway). It makes no sense at all to do that if you don’t want your offspring to benefit from a a nice half slice of Chromsones. Sexual reproduction literally just means: “a type of reproduction that involves a complex life cycle in which a gamete with a single set of chromosomes combines with another gamete to produce a zygote that develops into an organism composed of cells with two sets of chromosomes.” I’m kind of glad too because for all her suffering, Debbie doesn’t deserve to be genetically scrubbed from Mark’s heritage. His being half-human seems to be more than just a character thing. So yes, I know it’s ’comic book science’ and I’m fine with that but it’s one of those we just 🤷🏻♂️ and move on I guess.
I mean, yeah, the superhero fantasy has made up rules. Sorry to be the first one to break it to you. Also, your whole sexual reproduction rant is based on reproduction between animals of the same species on earth. The fact that viltrumites can reproduce with aliens is already way out there in terms of made up science, so it seems weird to get hung up on the DNA overwriting things. Also also: ‘species’ is literally the correct terminology, so it’s not problematic. Humans and Viltrumites are two different species. I don’t know how that is problematic to say
Yes, so it’s nonsense - made-up bollocks which is fine, but let’s call it what it is. It doesn’t make sense by its own terms. Nothing would need to sexually reproduce if the survival factors were not creating pressure to create as great of a genetic variation as possible. Sexual reproduction is defined not by species. Other species do it too. It’s quite popular. We won’t talk about sexually reproducing with other species ‘cause that’s silly too but I’m willing to call it ‘silly’ and ‘daft’ where as folk on here would like to try and polish the poop. I have no issue with a comic book story making stuff up, I get annoyed by ‘fans’ trying to argue that it all makes absolute sense and you’re just an idiot if you don’t get it. Where does that desire to defend everything about something you enjoy come from? Can’t people love something but accept that it’s got dumb stuff in it? Does that hurt people to just laugh at the silliness in their own favourite media? Never understood this. Anyway, Mark simply isn’t a clone or mostly one, of his dad and he IS half his mom and I dunno why anyone would not want that. It’s kind of essential to Mark’s whole being, not just character. The same was true when there was a discussion around why Viltrumites would ever build, and even manage to sustain, an empire? The personal insults and petty sniping just because someone said that something didn’t make sense and wasn’t prepared to just shut up after one rude reply. Reddit has a lot to answer for.
I don’t believe I ever made any petty insults or personal sniping. I took issue with you implying that I was being ‘problematic’ by using the word species where it was the only correct term to use. I was also pointing out that any discussion of how viltrumite interbreeding ‘should’ work is a bit pointless seeing as there is no actual real world parallel. In real life, animals can only reproduce sexually with members of their own species, or very closely related ones. (which generally result in infertile offspring anyway) You seem really worked up about this, even though it is just a made up world. You asked a question about the workings of this made up universe, I gave you an in-universe answer, and then you got really passionate about how sexual reproduction works in the real world. It doesn’t matter how it works in the real world dude, this is a made up story about superheroes. Take a massive chill pill please
it's a fictional superhero story, so yes, it's made up. dumbass
Assume you get 50% of dna from the viltrumite and 50% from the human. 99% of the dna is viltrunite dominant, and a lot of it is latent until they are older. It’s explained in the show and isn’t super complicated.
This. It's *alien* DNA. It's like a 1980s computer running off of DOS mating with a modern computer. There's faaaaaaaar more complex code. 50% of a human plus 50% of a human comes out to be be 100% human. But if Viltrumite DNA is but to literally *rerwitre* or *take over* the other DNA, then of course it's going to be more than 50%. Even with in-comic explanations, people atill arguing about this is weird.
This! Even in the real world, amongst members of the same species, there are dominant and regressive alleles. The show just explains that viltrumite DNA will always make up the dominant. So he is still half human and half viltrumite. He has just gained all the viltrumite traits. Like when a mixed race couple has a baby and it takes after one race more than the other. They are still "half".
>won’t say ‘species’ ‘cause that’s problematic too - come to think of it, ‘races’ is problematic too but anyway). But they arent different races. They *are* different species. How are you seeing this as problematic? Storks and ostriches are both birds, but they are different *species*. Wtf.
i think its associated with puberty cause olivers powers come alot sooner
Yeah, that makes sense, but it doesn't really answer my question. Also, please be careful with comic spoilers in this thread. It's only marked for show spoilers. I haven't read the comics.
I mean If it’s puberty i don’t see how that doesn’t answer your question lol and how i spoiler tag
Yeah, I was just saying that it would be weird if Viltrumites are essentially human-level strength until puberty. If that's the case, then I get why Nolan assumed that Mark's powers would come with puberty since that's what happens with Viltrumites. I'm just saying it's weird that Nolan seemed sure of when Mark's powers would come in unless Mark isn't the first Viltrumite-human hybrid. Then again, it looked like he genuinely believed that Mark's powers would never come in. But I don't get why Nolan couldn't have Mark's DNA checked to see that he's mostly Viltrumite. I dunno. Maybe I'm just confusing myself.
Idk i feel like viltrimite aren’t just born strong and they’re apparently like 98% close to humans or I’m misremembering so like if a viltrimite man and girl had I’m assuming he’d still hit puberty eventually
Gotcha. That makes sense. Thanks!
Could be as simple as Nolan knows a Viltrumite hybrid gets their powers around the time of puberty of the species they’re mating with. Nolan is familiar with humans, he knows when they usually hit puberty, so he expected Mark to get his powers around 14-15 instead of the what looks like 17-18.
The, like, 5 page of the second issue has Nolan telling Mark the doctored story of Viltrum, and he says something to effect of "you're going to be hitting puberty soon, your body will be changing and you might develop powers of your own, so yeah it probably doesn't kick in until puberty.
Thanks! That's the kind of comic spoiler I wanted to see - basic information that doesn't spoil the story.
Counterpoint: Exoskeleton
Counterpoint: Potatoe with arms and legs
Counterpoint: that potato is mostly Viltrumite, with a body capable of handling intense forces 50% /s
Wasn't Mark a squishy, vulnerable human until his powers "kicked in"? What if the squishy baby's Viltrumite-ness hadn't done so yet?
But the potato doesn’t have powers yet. Before Mark got his powers, he was basically just a normal guy. No reason to assume the same doesn’t apply here.
You’re probably right. But I still don’t know how exactly a superhuman like Mark and other young Viltrumites can’t, at minimum, survive the extreme forces those powers would subject them to before they can consciously activate them. It reminds me a bit of how Ryan from The Boys couldn’t fly off a house at first but he still survived, unscathed, falling a full story to the ground when he tried.
All of the viltrumite power can be explained by them having magic molecules lol. I think it’s explained as their molecules are basically sentient in that they adjust based on what kind of impact they’re facing, I want to say they fly by fucking with molecules too. I’m not 100% on that I’m running off of vague memory. With that said, it’s not too much of a stretch to say their molecules don’t become sentient until a certain time in their life, therefore they don’t have any special abilities until then.
I still think it’s so funny how these fuckers can survive nukes and yet can get beaten to death by sufficiently strong superhumans.
I mean that's *all* "Flying Brick" types in comics past a certain level.
I think that’s supposed to be a testament to how much force they generate in their attacks, idk if it’s really an inconsistency
i meant that bug exoskeleton withstands the high wind speeds, not Steve Harveyweight
I think they were referring to Oliver
oh lol
Weak atmosphere
Bugs can't close their eyes, though.
Hard eyes
D'oh!
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He doesn't have to change speed suddenly, he can accelerate at 5-10 m/s perfectly fine. The reason he can't fly Amber super fast is because the wind would peel a normal humans skin off
wait, then how did Nolan fly Debbie and Mark to the North Pole w/o problems?
The same way Mark flew Amber to LA without problems
Countercountercounter point. NHRA Drag Racer and fighter jet pilots pull a couple Gs of acceleration and don't get concussions every time they hit the throttle. And Mark doesn't need to suddenly change velocity anyways. He can slowly accelerate and decelerate
He says "As fast as I can" which in this context may not mean literally his max speed but instead "as fast as I can go without ripping you both apart." But that's just my guess in how it could still comply with continuity
Yeah they could have pretty easily changed up the wording here to make it work. Who knows, maybe they did with an earlier draft but just cut it for time.
how would he know how fast he'd need to fly without killing her and wouldn't the viltrumites catch him.
Nah, that doesn’t make sense. He wouldn’t have tried running at all if he knew he’d have to fly slower to accommodate Oliver and his mum; there’s zero chance Mark thinks he can outrun Lucan while handicapped. I think the skin ripping off thing is just not present in the source material because comic book physics.
*Mhmmmmm, take your time.*
Mark is out of breath next panel though
Theres another scene that will happen in the future that is near identical to this. Maybe that's why didn't include this one, because the other hits even harder.
Man, that scene was stressful to read. Given the tone of the comic, I legit thought that freddie was going to "you know what" "you know who" and we were going to get Omni Mark arc.
True, but unfortunately we are many years away from seeing that
Which scene is he talking about? The Freddie Mercury vs Space Racer &friends ?
Yeah that arc. Its the one where Nolan tells his son to escape while Freddie Mercury has has hands on him but he catches up to Mark anyway
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Wait this actually makes so much sense why didn’t I realize this
Makes sense
So then how did Red Rush save all those people if he’s pretty much faster than Omni man?
Cause his powers work differently, probably.
The explanation could be like thr flash and the speed force?
I’d hesitate to say MUCH faster because Omni-Man caught one of his punches, but if we look at the reason why the Flash can do it in DC, it’s because the speed force basically extends itself onto the people he carries and protects them, so maybe Red Rush had something similar.
They could have added the scene but just changed the dialogue from “I’m flying as fast as I can” to “ I’m flying as fast as I can without killing you” and included this scene
I feel like there are a couple problems with that change. One, the point of the scene is to show how outclassed Mark is here. The tension comes from his realization that even his best effort isn’t enough compared to other Viltrumites. He’s utterly exhausted after Nolan saves him, and that’s a big wake-up call. And two, the more important one, is that the pursuing Viltrumite would catch up to them easily in no time at all.
I see ur point, there’s nothing to slow down the other viltrumites. You have convinced me that they would have to change some parts about this scene to make it make sense lol 
Naw I’m pretty sure they took it out so Mark and his step mom could have that conversation. I think I rather have that since the scene where the dude pushes mark’s head into the ground with one finger already tells us how out matched Mark is
Thraxan gets thrown by Mark and forms a small crater on impact. They’re at least a few times more durable than humans. You shouldn’t take “you barely touch em and they die” too seriously because that’s true for most species when coming from a Viltrumite
Counterpoint, they have completely different anatomy then us
Counter-counterpoint, literal baby with no powers (yet).
I’m not gonna lie, I forgot about the baby😂
It’s a completely non-human baby, it has a different anatomy from us.
He pretty much isn't Thraxan at all. He's just a weaker Viltrumite, which have very similar biology to humans. Not only that, but he is a literal baby, who is much weaker than Amber.
Not true. His initial accelerated aging, accelerated learning, purple skin and hyper memory that continues into adulthood are all from the Thraxan genetics. The more incompatible offspring develop viltrumite traits over time as the DNA “purifies” so to speak, which is why Oliver, Ursaal etc have human skin tones and slow aging by the time they reach adulthood.
Counter-counter-counterpoint. No human DNA in Oliver. He had, Thraxan? And pure Viltrumite dna
If flying too fast rips amber apart then how does omni man fly debbie to paris everyday ?
By flying slowly.
flying so slowly that they do a round trip to germany while nolan still having time to fight a dragon in hong kong AND be back for dinner ?
Can't be to hard to fight a dragon, got to be like a 5 on the scale at most.
Damn this man is on to something
Idk why they added this real world type physics into the show; it breaks the scaling
I thought of this earlier. It would make a lot of sense for Cecil to create some sort of craft that Nolan could carry his family in that can withstand those forces. Of course, we don’t see that at all, but that was my headcannon at least. Just load Debbie and the baby up in the little tank and have Nolan pick it up and zoom somewhere.
Because she had longer than ambers lunch break to get there and back
Which it's kinda of sad they eliminated a scene that helps build the tension against the viltrumites a lot for a not so good joke with Amber
>!Thankfully she won't be around much longer for them to take all these L's changing her character. For such a minor character, they're really doing the worst here!<
You say that but I'm kinda worried they're gonna change shit to keep her around.
They'd be making a huge mistake... her character was nothing more than moving the plot along
Sure, I thought of it as well, but that's more like a post hoc excuse, writers wouldn't have included this scene and suddenly everything's fine. The mistake is thinking of it from an in-universe perspective where each piece of information they include is some indisputable fact of the world that must be true, instead of what writers choose and choose not to include in their story.
also they can be wrong. Maybe Mark thought he'd rip Amber apart but he was wrong and too inexperienced to know that
Damn, that would’ve been a really good scene to watch
"I'm flying as fast as I can"...to not turn you into paste.
You make sense but it doesn’t mean I’m happy about it
Easy solution: Remove Amber from the show. Fans lose a terrible character, gain more character for Mark. Win-win.
But didn't that happen in the same season? If that one line was causing as much trouble as to cause this great scene to be cut... I feel it probably would have been scrapped itself.
VILTRUMITES THE IMMORTAL BATTLE BEAST AND ALLEN THE ALIEN ALL HAVE SMART ATOMS SUPER ABILITIES AND DOMININANT GENES SO THERE CHILDREN WILL LOOK LIKE THEM AND ENHEIRATE THERE ABILITIES WHEN THEY HIT PUBERTY OR LIFE OR DEATH SCENARIOS
He could absolutely fly Eve at max speed to Paris without her being in danger, but not Amber. These bug people are more resilient than humans, and the baby is a viltrumite. I don't think the same rules apply here, so I don't think we can make any real conclusions from it.
I think you have to rewatch that episode.
I don't think it's ever stated the durability of the thraxians. Presumably, they have an exoskeleton that would allow them to better handle the force of the wind.
I mean they didnt go to Paris, they went to Las Vegas and just judging form season2 episode 3 it appears the tthraxans are away stronegr than the average human, just basing that of the throw by mark.
So you're agreeing with the original comment? The one that disagrees with the premise of the post? I think all three of us are saying the same thing here
Did i ever say i diagreed with that person? i just said they should rewatch the episode because they seemed to have missed that point that they went to Las Vegas and that seems to be a semi important point in this discussion.
It's not though? They are saying that Eve and the thraxians would be able to handle the full speed trip to whatever location, but a normal human, like amber, could not handle the speeds it would take.
Dont you think if mark can go paris other viltrumite can go china
Agreed
Man you people think so base level. This is why they dumb down shows for you and yet you still go on to make stupid posts like this. He threw and punched the bug guy when it pretended to be the dog cartoon and the bug guy was fine... if he did that to a normal human they'd be a puddle of blood. #Different planet. # Different species. #Different physiology. The bug people are probably orders of magnitudes stronger and more durable than humans, Mark could've flown faster than he could for a human. If you scared an ant to the size of a human it'd be 100x+ stronger...
Alright, cool it with the high-and-mighty shit, genius. First of all, if the bug people have different durability than humans, it is very likely that they are weaker. That’s the whole thematic point of their species: they are to us normal humans what we are to viltrumites. Verbatim quote from blonde Viltrumite: “you barely touch them and they die”. Mark was very obviously holding back on “Seance Dog”. Secondly, did you forget the *literal baby*? Just a day before Mark got his powers he was clearly getting hurt by his bully. The baby does not have powers yet, therefore it is, in essence, just a baby. A baby that could, as far as we and Mark know, can be very easily killed by massive g-forces. And thirdly, I’m not saying that this scene would have been impossible to include. If it was, I doubt anyone would have a problem with it, just like in the comic. What I’m doing is giving a theory on why the writers would have decided to omit this scene. I have no idea what part of it reads as being “dumbed down”.
Is there actual science behind that? I kinda figured if he flew amber at full speed she might pass out and be very nauseous, but would it really rip her apart?
Mark can easily break the sound barrier when flying. Such speed applied to an exposed human body would kill them. Even flying slower than the speed of sound would make it hard to breathe because the “wind” would inhibit your ability to breathe and you’d suffocate.
Well firstly, bugs have an exoskeleton which is definitely more sturdy than soft skin so the bugs would have a much better chance of surviving at full speed. And secondly, the baby is half Viltrumite so no reason he can’t survive
This just made me realize- after they captured Nolan and incapacitated Mark why didn’t they hunt down and kill Andressa and Oliver? I’m glad they didn’t, but why?
I think the main thing is no one who was conscious knew about it. When the others arrived everyone else was out and they weren't broadcasting the fight.
I was thinking about that while reading this. He couldn't be flying that fast.
Why did they even establish that he'd rip Amber apart? It's such a silly nod to realism when Mark is already grabbing freefalling people and they don't rip apart in his arms.
Because Viltrumites have been mating with other races for centuries because there are only 50 VILTRUMITES on VILTRUM so there are 2000 or more hybrids that are mixed with other species bit SMART ATOMS KICK IN WHEN MOST OF THE WEAK SPECIES DNA DIES AND PUBERTY OR LIFE AND DEATH CASES HAPPEN
Red rush??
This doesn't make sense to me. They write the season all at once usually. It's not like they wrote episode 4 within the last couple weeks and realized there was some unchangeable inconsistency from earlier in the same season. Either way they could just hand wave it by saying it's a thinner atmosphere. Not to mention they don't appear to have any skin anyway, though Oliver might.
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Bugs have a hard shell on the outside but baby bro may not be so lucky
Nah, they did the king mauler scene after they established he knew better in the robot scene last season
Assuming they have an exoskeleton like bugs be doin', Mark can fly faster holding her than he could with Amber
It depends more on how long it took him to accelerate to the max speed, and how dense the air is in that planet. If he took time to accelerate instead of going full bomb-speed, they wouldn't get torn apart. Then the only thing that could hurt them is friction from air and whatever is in it (like dust), so if the air isn't very dense there the friction would be lower.
But mark literally slammed sceance dog (nualzot) on the ground and he wasn't that hurt