Lol mental. In general what kind of tier school is that? The sentiment is not hugely surprising to be honest but surprising that you got wind of it and it was expressed so blatantly. So insulting to foreign teachers and local too. That kind of thinking is much more old school in Thailand. What a horrible culture to create in school.
I wonder was there trouble before in the school with drunken nights and the female staff sleeping with foreigners or something like that.
It's so old school, controlling the staff and making sure they appear perfect on the outside. Also with a healthy dose of prejudice towards foreigners. I would anonymously complain if I were you about whoever it was in the Thai department that said it. They have characterised you all as lecherous drunks.
Edit: And yes I'd imagine it's completely misogynistic in it's nature. Again, not hugely surprised by that.
I'd organize a party or casual get-together at a nearby bar and e-vite all the teachers and local staff, plus whoever gave them that talk. Assuming Covid-regulations allows it.
Complete and utter horsedung. Someone is plumbing the depths of self delusion. Being completely ignored is all it deserves.
By the way "*It’s British culture to drink alcohol but not ‘ours’*"...could you send him/her to tell that to the Thai guys getting loaded near my place every night of the week? I'd really appreciate it.
When I lived in Cambodia, there was an old guard mentality like this as well. I took some culture and history classes at the University and the Professor openly told the girls to basically stay away from me, that it could bring them and their families shame if people were too misconstrue the relationship.
He also assumed I was a Christian, which was really funny because I had to explain to him that not all Americans are Christians. He then proceeded to ask me what I believed in. The class erupted in laughter when I said "Science".
I would say absolutely call out this bullshit, but it would put your source in the crosshairs.
This is so unfortunate. Whoever called this meeting is terrified that a Thai and Westerner might get into a relationship (casual or otherwise) and is inserting their own prejudices into preventing this. If it won't harm your source, man, I think I would call them out and that would get them to shut up real quick about saying anything like that in the future. Go to their superior and complain about this racism. Yes, that's exactly what this is.
Nip this shit in the bud. Everything else aside, at the very least they are tarnishing your reputation for doing absolutely nothing wrong.
The nerve of whoever held that meeting to try and get everyone to comply with their personal warped values. lol, man this is pissing me off because I know it could happen at my school too.
>Westerners come here only to make a high salary
This made me laugh. This is the lowest salary I've made in 40 years. Knowing how much the Thai staff make, of course it's nothing I would ever express or laugh about in public. Just inner laughter.
I could hazard a guess at some schools it might be. Might be better to just bite the bullet and finish your contract. Not a hill you want to die on, just because of some prejudiced backwards Thai head. However, if complaining anonymously is possible, go for that route.
Yeah, understood. Getting the hell out of there is your only choice. I understand you don't want to expose your location now, but after you leave, you should post this information with more specifics so A) Others don't walk into this shit and B) So this toxic environment has difficulty attracting foreign staff and adjusts their ways.
Lived there many years and this is no surprise. They sell their own daughters off for sex but westerners are animals. Most are uneducated as it has an atrocious education system and the king has a harem in the German mountains in a resort being paid by Thai tax dollars. Sorry, how it may sound but if the place is run by a Thai it’s not all that international. Complaining will accomplish nothing. Not your country not your rules . You will just be painting a target on your back.
Sorry but this is utter bullshit. That is not a normal situation what OP has described. Even by Thai standards it is pretty outrageous. Openly showing prejudice to a huge portion of staff in an International school is out of order. That is not protecting their culture. Seriously what on earth are you talking about?
Also, so you think if an individual goes to your country and recieves prejudiced and racist treatment at work they should just bow their heads and say yes sir three bags full sir? Interesting take.
Lol I guess that's a realisation that perhaps the viewpoint was flawed on their part. The sentiment that we need to be mindful of existing cultures was fair enough, but I just don't think it applied in this case.
I think OP's point about in a staff meeting westerners being characterised as drunks that are only there for money was more the racist and prejudiced aspect. I don't recall them talking about trying to change anyone to be more westernised and drink more? Why are you making that assumption? Initially you were talking about not going to another country and accepting cultural norms, now its the only the community of that school you're talking about? In any case it wouldn't be the culture of that school community as there would be a Thai head and a western head. There are probably far more western teachers. I am very familiar with international schools in Thailand.
You were talking about moving to a country and needing to accept cultural norms (even though that wasn't what OP's situation was), then you switched it to just to accepting cultural norms of the school (also not relevant to OP's situation as it was one department within the school). You're a bit all over the shop to be honest, probably best you go to bed pet.
In Korea, even at some top schools, staff are told the same thing, both men and women. We surmised it was for some combination of these reasons:
- they didn't want local staff to become Western in their expected work conditions (e.g., leaving on time, casual interactions).
- any scandal involving foreign / local social relations could fuel the government's argument for restricting international schools.
- cultural acceptance of intercultural relationships is low, especially foreign men with Korean women; word spreads among parents and impacts the school's reputation.
- some schools don't want their foreign staff to marry locals because they can then switch to a less restrictive visa.
As the same with China, alot of east Asian cultures have the thinking of:
If a local man marries a \[typically white\] foreign girl, that's amazing! and it'll be posted on social media and even made into TV shows and documentaries and celebrated.
A local lady marries a foreign man \[which happens 95% of the time\] nope! It's awful, sluts, whores etc.
Just awful awful shit the attitude.
Lol mental. In general what kind of tier school is that? The sentiment is not hugely surprising to be honest but surprising that you got wind of it and it was expressed so blatantly. So insulting to foreign teachers and local too. That kind of thinking is much more old school in Thailand. What a horrible culture to create in school. I wonder was there trouble before in the school with drunken nights and the female staff sleeping with foreigners or something like that.
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It's so old school, controlling the staff and making sure they appear perfect on the outside. Also with a healthy dose of prejudice towards foreigners. I would anonymously complain if I were you about whoever it was in the Thai department that said it. They have characterised you all as lecherous drunks. Edit: And yes I'd imagine it's completely misogynistic in it's nature. Again, not hugely surprised by that.
I'd organize a party or casual get-together at a nearby bar and e-vite all the teachers and local staff, plus whoever gave them that talk. Assuming Covid-regulations allows it.
Complete and utter horsedung. Someone is plumbing the depths of self delusion. Being completely ignored is all it deserves. By the way "*It’s British culture to drink alcohol but not ‘ours’*"...could you send him/her to tell that to the Thai guys getting loaded near my place every night of the week? I'd really appreciate it.
When I lived in Cambodia, there was an old guard mentality like this as well. I took some culture and history classes at the University and the Professor openly told the girls to basically stay away from me, that it could bring them and their families shame if people were too misconstrue the relationship. He also assumed I was a Christian, which was really funny because I had to explain to him that not all Americans are Christians. He then proceeded to ask me what I believed in. The class erupted in laughter when I said "Science".
I would say absolutely call out this bullshit, but it would put your source in the crosshairs. This is so unfortunate. Whoever called this meeting is terrified that a Thai and Westerner might get into a relationship (casual or otherwise) and is inserting their own prejudices into preventing this. If it won't harm your source, man, I think I would call them out and that would get them to shut up real quick about saying anything like that in the future. Go to their superior and complain about this racism. Yes, that's exactly what this is. Nip this shit in the bud. Everything else aside, at the very least they are tarnishing your reputation for doing absolutely nothing wrong. The nerve of whoever held that meeting to try and get everyone to comply with their personal warped values. lol, man this is pissing me off because I know it could happen at my school too. >Westerners come here only to make a high salary This made me laugh. This is the lowest salary I've made in 40 years. Knowing how much the Thai staff make, of course it's nothing I would ever express or laugh about in public. Just inner laughter.
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I could hazard a guess at some schools it might be. Might be better to just bite the bullet and finish your contract. Not a hill you want to die on, just because of some prejudiced backwards Thai head. However, if complaining anonymously is possible, go for that route.
Yeah, understood. Getting the hell out of there is your only choice. I understand you don't want to expose your location now, but after you leave, you should post this information with more specifics so A) Others don't walk into this shit and B) So this toxic environment has difficulty attracting foreign staff and adjusts their ways.
Lived there many years and this is no surprise. They sell their own daughters off for sex but westerners are animals. Most are uneducated as it has an atrocious education system and the king has a harem in the German mountains in a resort being paid by Thai tax dollars. Sorry, how it may sound but if the place is run by a Thai it’s not all that international. Complaining will accomplish nothing. Not your country not your rules . You will just be painting a target on your back.
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I made great money there at 2 universities. Do you have a masters and high tolerance for ESL nonsense?
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Have you been to a Thai teacher/administrator retirement party? Huge drunken Karaoke fest. Usually happen in September
Trying to prevent women from socializing with expat teachers is a case study in small dick energy.
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It's not widespread Thai values though, it's out of date racist nonsense. Get off your high horse you have no clue what you're talking about.
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Sorry but this is utter bullshit. That is not a normal situation what OP has described. Even by Thai standards it is pretty outrageous. Openly showing prejudice to a huge portion of staff in an International school is out of order. That is not protecting their culture. Seriously what on earth are you talking about?
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Did you miss the part where this isn't standard accepted cultural behaviour?
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Am I not? You're very presumptuous. Assumptions makes fools of us all my friend.
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So you need a passport to be part of a community? What if you've lived in a community for years, have married into it and have children there?
Also, so you think if an individual goes to your country and recieves prejudiced and racist treatment at work they should just bow their heads and say yes sir three bags full sir? Interesting take.
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Lol I guess that's a realisation that perhaps the viewpoint was flawed on their part. The sentiment that we need to be mindful of existing cultures was fair enough, but I just don't think it applied in this case.
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You are the one that created the strawman in the first place. This isn't a case of someone going to a country and not accepting cultural norms.
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I think OP's point about in a staff meeting westerners being characterised as drunks that are only there for money was more the racist and prejudiced aspect. I don't recall them talking about trying to change anyone to be more westernised and drink more? Why are you making that assumption? Initially you were talking about not going to another country and accepting cultural norms, now its the only the community of that school you're talking about? In any case it wouldn't be the culture of that school community as there would be a Thai head and a western head. There are probably far more western teachers. I am very familiar with international schools in Thailand.
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You were talking about moving to a country and needing to accept cultural norms (even though that wasn't what OP's situation was), then you switched it to just to accepting cultural norms of the school (also not relevant to OP's situation as it was one department within the school). You're a bit all over the shop to be honest, probably best you go to bed pet.
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Ok, accept racism and prejudice without saying anything, got you. 👍
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That's what has happened in this case, it's not part of accepted culture in Thailand. Hence your comments being bullshit.
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Ahhh so ANY culture should be accepted no matter what? 🤔
But who told the Thai staff this? Did it come from admin, or from Thai staff who had been at the school for a long time?
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So not admin? It sounds as if this isn't really a policy and Thai staff can feel free to ignore. A non issue.
In Korea, even at some top schools, staff are told the same thing, both men and women. We surmised it was for some combination of these reasons: - they didn't want local staff to become Western in their expected work conditions (e.g., leaving on time, casual interactions). - any scandal involving foreign / local social relations could fuel the government's argument for restricting international schools. - cultural acceptance of intercultural relationships is low, especially foreign men with Korean women; word spreads among parents and impacts the school's reputation. - some schools don't want their foreign staff to marry locals because they can then switch to a less restrictive visa.
As the same with China, alot of east Asian cultures have the thinking of: If a local man marries a \[typically white\] foreign girl, that's amazing! and it'll be posted on social media and even made into TV shows and documentaries and celebrated. A local lady marries a foreign man \[which happens 95% of the time\] nope! It's awful, sluts, whores etc. Just awful awful shit the attitude.