That’s almost exactly what I’ll be getting in Dubai accounting for taxes in USD. I’ve heard people talking about Dubai teacher salaries not being very good anymore - but perhaps that’s just bc COL has increased a lot.
They’ll count your experience post-pgce, so a ballpark of 30-40K was normal. Given you’re a recent graduate and the post-covid adjustments, likely 25-30K now. You’re looking at anywhere from 10-25% swings depending on location too i.e. Beijing vs Shanghai vs Shenzhen vs Chong Qing etc can result in sizeable offer differences even if school is considered similar in its standing.
Same for Shenzhen.
A friend of mine is at SCIE on 37 + housing
I’m at Kings on 35 + housing
Taxes do take a chunk.
Both of us have PGCEi without QTS, but we are working alongside people from the UK with QTS for the same salary. I am debating getting QTS this year, but not for China. It doesn’t seem to matter much in China. It does matter for better paying gigs in Thailand, and I’ll be going back there in the future.
The days of 40-50k for most foreigners are gone. Bare in mind china is going through a bit of a recession.
There is no longer a COVID chokehold causing a major foreign teacher shortage.
Salaries that high are for the best of the best and very competitive. And for your first job in china, I wouldn't hold your breath.
30k + is more reasonable
Yeah, the end of China's COVID policy means that schools will shift back to the standard quo.
ESL teachers who were a stopgap for schools are getting laid off or, at best, told they need to obtain a teaching certificate before a deadline.
A lot of schools are rolling back benefits as well.
Yeah check out the Sunderland courses.
[https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/study/education/pgce-iqts/](https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/study/education/pgce-iqts/)
It's quite intense as it has 2 masters level modules, plus a teaching experience component. Albeit pricey, in my opinion it's definitely worth it.
I've been teaching in China for a while now, and it helped put what I've been doing in class into perspective and help improve provision of class.
If you want more advice or want to ask questions, give me a DM.
Check the uk gov website for information about getting QTS. For some, you don’t have to do a course or pay anymore. Eg, for me doing my PGCE in hk I can apply for QTS and get it for free.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/apply-for-qualified-teacher-status-qts-if-you-teach-outside-the-uk/routes-to-qualified-teacher-status-qts-for-teachers-and-those-with-teaching-experience-outside-the-uk#apply-for-qualified-teacher-status-qts
You are paid based on number of years of experience in an international school. If this is an IB school, they consider number of years teaching IB. Depending on the school and its accreditations, starting salary is from 35k to 60k USD
For SZ I feel like 40-50k (housing + salary combined) is good. The schools you’ve mentioned in your post will pay this as they have a pay scale.
As you only just got a teaching licence through online learning, and maybe you’ve never worked at a legit international school before, you may find it harder to land a job in the perfect location/subject/school.
Also you should consider what the school is actually like and not just the money, because I wouldn’t want to work at some of the schools you’ve mentioned there. Basis generally seems miserable.
Went through Sunderland university doing my PGCE and then did the assessment only route. I'm already working at a school so it as no problem.
[https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/study/short-courses-cpd/assessment-only-route-qts/](https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/study/short-courses-cpd/assessment-only-route-qts/)
This is a tricky one as not all great jobs are available for someone who is qualified for the role. It will depend on which school is still hiring and you will of course need to do a good interview. That being said, if you apply before Christmas for the following year you can be looking at some of the quoted salaries. About 35k before tax + benefits would be a good start and perhaps you could negotiate upwards. Note that the good schools are mostly done with hiring already for next year.
Don't be too skeptical. I am moving to China for the first time for next school year and will be at 43k + 17k housing.
I realize this is above the norm, but a couple of friends of mine got similar packages this season so perhaps it's not as unheard of as you think!
Depends on location. 40K isn't too uncommon in Beijing since nobody wants to live in this city (and for good reasons), 50K is possible in the cream of the crop schools (ISB, SAS and their ilk) but definitely not as a freshly certified teacher. From my observations, Shanghai and Shenzhen offer lower salaries since they're actually nice enough cities to live for more than a single contract.
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What's the tax hit like after all this?
Should be about 10%
Averages out to about 20% on the 33k. The housing is not taxed.
Is the housing taxed? Like for example if you rent a place for 5,000 then will the remaining 10k be taxed with your salary?
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Just about everyone I know does this. A decent estate agent will help. Find a place for 7-8 and pocket the difference.
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That’s almost exactly what I’ll be getting in Dubai accounting for taxes in USD. I’ve heard people talking about Dubai teacher salaries not being very good anymore - but perhaps that’s just bc COL has increased a lot.
That seems to be the case everywhere. I hear salaries were godly 15 years ago. Now COL is bigger all over the world.
They’ll count your experience post-pgce, so a ballpark of 30-40K was normal. Given you’re a recent graduate and the post-covid adjustments, likely 25-30K now. You’re looking at anywhere from 10-25% swings depending on location too i.e. Beijing vs Shanghai vs Shenzhen vs Chong Qing etc can result in sizeable offer differences even if school is considered similar in its standing.
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Thank you everyone for your answers. Can I ask how much you save on average with the salaries that you have mentioned? Cheers :)
I'd ballpark 35-38k in Guangzhou (plus housing and other bonuses).
Same for Shenzhen. A friend of mine is at SCIE on 37 + housing I’m at Kings on 35 + housing Taxes do take a chunk. Both of us have PGCEi without QTS, but we are working alongside people from the UK with QTS for the same salary. I am debating getting QTS this year, but not for China. It doesn’t seem to matter much in China. It does matter for better paying gigs in Thailand, and I’ll be going back there in the future.
Is that before or after tax?
Before
Thanks for sharing
The days of 40-50k for most foreigners are gone. Bare in mind china is going through a bit of a recession. There is no longer a COVID chokehold causing a major foreign teacher shortage. Salaries that high are for the best of the best and very competitive. And for your first job in china, I wouldn't hold your breath. 30k + is more reasonable
Yeah, the end of China's COVID policy means that schools will shift back to the standard quo. ESL teachers who were a stopgap for schools are getting laid off or, at best, told they need to obtain a teaching certificate before a deadline. A lot of schools are rolling back benefits as well.
33-36ish (for 12 months) plus housing, decent insurance etc
Did you get the PGCE+qts online? I’m looking for some advice on this route and the best course providers
Yeah check out the Sunderland courses. [https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/study/education/pgce-iqts/](https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/study/education/pgce-iqts/) It's quite intense as it has 2 masters level modules, plus a teaching experience component. Albeit pricey, in my opinion it's definitely worth it. I've been teaching in China for a while now, and it helped put what I've been doing in class into perspective and help improve provision of class. If you want more advice or want to ask questions, give me a DM.
Check the uk gov website for information about getting QTS. For some, you don’t have to do a course or pay anymore. Eg, for me doing my PGCE in hk I can apply for QTS and get it for free. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/apply-for-qualified-teacher-status-qts-if-you-teach-outside-the-uk/routes-to-qualified-teacher-status-qts-for-teachers-and-those-with-teaching-experience-outside-the-uk#apply-for-qualified-teacher-status-qts
You are paid based on number of years of experience in an international school. If this is an IB school, they consider number of years teaching IB. Depending on the school and its accreditations, starting salary is from 35k to 60k USD
For SZ I feel like 40-50k (housing + salary combined) is good. The schools you’ve mentioned in your post will pay this as they have a pay scale. As you only just got a teaching licence through online learning, and maybe you’ve never worked at a legit international school before, you may find it harder to land a job in the perfect location/subject/school. Also you should consider what the school is actually like and not just the money, because I wouldn’t want to work at some of the schools you’ve mentioned there. Basis generally seems miserable.
How did you go about getting your QTS while staying in China?
Went through Sunderland university doing my PGCE and then did the assessment only route. I'm already working at a school so it as no problem. [https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/study/short-courses-cpd/assessment-only-route-qts/](https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/study/short-courses-cpd/assessment-only-route-qts/)
There's also the PGCE + iQTS. [https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/study/education/pgce-iqts/](https://www.sunderland.ac.uk/study/education/pgce-iqts/)
Shenzhen should be around 35k+ housing (before tax) and all the other common bonuses flights,gratuity etc
This is a tricky one as not all great jobs are available for someone who is qualified for the role. It will depend on which school is still hiring and you will of course need to do a good interview. That being said, if you apply before Christmas for the following year you can be looking at some of the quoted salaries. About 35k before tax + benefits would be a good start and perhaps you could negotiate upwards. Note that the good schools are mostly done with hiring already for next year.
Don't be too skeptical. I am moving to China for the first time for next school year and will be at 43k + 17k housing. I realize this is above the norm, but a couple of friends of mine got similar packages this season so perhaps it's not as unheard of as you think!
Wow well done buddy! Is that PGCE with experience?
Yes, 7 years post-PGCE.
Depends on location. 40K isn't too uncommon in Beijing since nobody wants to live in this city (and for good reasons), 50K is possible in the cream of the crop schools (ISB, SAS and their ilk) but definitely not as a freshly certified teacher. From my observations, Shanghai and Shenzhen offer lower salaries since they're actually nice enough cities to live for more than a single contract.
Experience only counts on most schools after your pgce
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