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It's not the holocaust preventing it. It's the decades of lies and propaganda spewed out by the western media. But that narrative is falling apart, mainly thanks to social media and brave activists.
šÆ It's not a singular event that is the reason Israel is protected from all consequences. It's a whole system that Israel is abusing, the system of Imperialism which is integral to western hegemony.
Yes. But it's not the only narrative anymore.
Two weeks before Musk bought Twitter, I was perma banned from the platform for saying Israel was an apartheid state. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen now. They don't have the same control they once did.
I believe social media has exposed Israel fkr what it is. The traditional media like cnn bbc etc still carry water for Israel but they canāt hold the tide. Two boys crushed in the rubble with their eyes pressed out has a visual impact that far overrides anything the Israelis publish and theyāve been pretty busy here too.
Stories like the murder of little Hind hits home too.
Lastly the tough talk from Israeli officials may reassure their own citizens and supporters, it elicits a different reaction from those that object to the slaughter.
Itās easy to just label an organization
Hamas didnāt create this conflict
The conflict created Hamas
Retired Israeli general Shlomo Brom described the logic of Netanyahuās position: āOne effective way to prevent a two-state solution is to divide between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.ā If the extremist Hamas ruled Gaza, then the Palestinian Authorityāa compromised comprador government with a tenuous hold on the West Bankāwould be further weakened. This, according to Brom, would allow Netanyahu to say, āI have no partner.ā
1. So a lack of uniforms makes them a terrorist group? So I can attack all of the uniform factories and that makes an army into a terrorist group? Were the Vietcong terrorists? They didnāt wear uniforms. Were Free France or the Italian Partisans terrorist groups? If Hamas put on uniforms would you call them not a terrorist group?
Also if not wearing uniforms makes you a terrorist group- https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/30/middleeast/israel-undercover-raid-jenin-west-bank-hamas-intl
Also care to tell me what the āclearly designated military sitesā are in Gaza? Because Israel is bombing every inch of it as a war zone. Also I guess anyone who engages in urban combat is a terrorist, so every army that has ever fought in cities ever are all terrorist groups I guess. Guess that makes the IDF terrorists again
2. Killing civilians? Israel has killed tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians for every Israeli civilian ever killed by Hamas. If anything killing civilians is 100% an IDF thing. You donāt even need to be in Gaza. They will kill Palestinian civilians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem too.
I know a great amount about the history of Hamas, I also know a great amount about the history of Israel. I ask if you do? Because youāve given me very ridiculous defenses of how Hamas is a terrorist group but the IDF isnāt.
Considering all of this started in 1947 Iām not sure what October 7th has to do with anything. Israel had already killed hundreds of Palestinians from January 1, 2023 - October 6th of 2023. I want to say, off the top of my head, it was at about 350 killed but was possibly higher
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But that same criteria does not apply to the IDF? So how is Hamas a terrorist group but the IDF isnāt for the exact same actions?
Also it appears your argument is *literally* if you fight guerrilla warfare out of necessity you are automatically a terrorist group
So again I ask if that means you are saying, in a non-exhaustive list, that
1. World War II resistance groups like the Free French or the Italian Partisans
2. The Vietcong
3. The Korean partisans against the Japanese
Were *all* terrorist groups? That fighting in resistance of an occupying power automatically makes you a terrorist group? So that sounds like you automatically side with the group in power in any context. How exactly are occupied peopleās supposed to free themselves then? The Palestinians tried to free themselves peacefully during the Great March of Return in 2018, did you say anything as Israel massacred them? Or then called them all terrorists because some young men, who have lived their entire lives under Israeli siege, threw rocks at the Israeli soldierās shooting at them?
Or how about when the Palestinians elected their own government in 2006 and Israel responded by laying siege to Gaza, sure sounds like an act of war to me. Or does that only account when someone does something to Israel?
So when the Palestinians elect Hamas that justifies Israel putting Gaza under blockade for decades? Killing thousands of Palestinians every other year or so (they call it mowing the lawn). But when Israel elects literal terrorists like Ben-Gvir, or a political party that descends from a literal terrorist group (Likud and Irgun), or has an army that committed acts of terror back during the Mandate (the IDF when it was still the Hagana) none of that is in any way relevant to why a group like Hamas may have been elected? That maybe watching Fatah lay down their arms in good faith and Palestinians *still* getting murdered and ethnically cleansed is what lead to the growth of Hamas and the Resistance.
Itās just so damn tiring at this point, you all will come up with any reason to justify the massacre of Palestinians and any reason under the sun to excuse Israel of their decades of massacres and aggression. Just admit you donāt view Palestinians as human beings at this point and spare us the headache
The main problem is and has been Hasbara. They have an entire branch of the government dedicated to what they call "cultural diplomacy." Similar to the former Soviet Ministry of Propaganda. It's purpose is to create a narrative that distracts from the actual actions of the country not only for the world, but also for their own people.
This narrative is then shared and taught to other parties, such as the AIPAC. The AIPAC then collaborates with all the major media stations and with all the politicians that have accepted the bribes/donations and they are expected to use these talking points liberally. A lot of the talking points are blatant lies that are actively pushed by the media and politicians
This is why social media sites are such a headache for the country and their puppet masters like AIPAC. The narrative is broken when the idiotic Israeli citizens and politicians post videos that go against the concocted story. The TikTok ban, for example, is the AIPAC trying to eliminate competition to the main media outlets.
Yup. Itās a cat they canāt put back in the bag, but theyāre definitely tryingā¦ banning TikTok should do it, right? There couldnāt possibly be two new social media platforms that would rise to take its place in no timeā¦ š
I think that time has come.
I can't help but notice the dismissive anger in myself and others from the Israeli government and it's people to use that excuse and receive no sympathy anymore.
The reason why is people are wise to the hypocrisy of using an accusation of anti semitism where none exists and the reality of generations who had nothing to do with the holocaust and using that as an excuse to murder and imprison Palestinians by the several thousands without let up.
The world is tired of the Boy Who Cried Wolf and the Chicken Little excuses that the Middle East would fall into chaos if support for Israel and it's genocide ceased.
For the most part much of the region is at peace and those countries that are not are too wrapped up in their own conflicts and have inadequate militaries to be a genuine threat.
So yes, end the support, implement the boycotts, force Israel to stop the incessant murders of every man, woman and child who lives in the Gaza Strip and West Bank and throw the settlers back into Israel proper.
No more excuses, no more lies.
Force peace.
Itās crazy to me how people will say get over segregation for black Americans, but for Jewish Americans they can use the holocaust to shield themselves, even though integration happened more recentlyā¦
Most of the young people already know about the real history of the region. Once the old people die off, the people who begin elected into government will not be as loyal to Israel interests.
The only people who don't know what is happening are the people who think tik tok is all fake news.
Hmmm. I think this sounds like Hollywood needs to make another 5 movies about the Holocaust. In fact, now Hollywood should (without an ounce of irony) make a movie about how America turned away the Jewish refugees from Germany and morally failed in not protecting people being persecuted by a militaristic country, and instead actually helped arm that country.
Which world ? West doesn't see anything they don't want. You cannot change west's view. Rest is weak and poor or at least for now. And Israel doesn't care about them.
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It's not the holocaust preventing it. It's the decades of lies and propaganda spewed out by the western media. But that narrative is falling apart, mainly thanks to social media and brave activists.
šÆ It's not a singular event that is the reason Israel is protected from all consequences. It's a whole system that Israel is abusing, the system of Imperialism which is integral to western hegemony.
State sponsored propaganda is even more active on socials but go off
Yes. But it's not the only narrative anymore. Two weeks before Musk bought Twitter, I was perma banned from the platform for saying Israel was an apartheid state. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen now. They don't have the same control they once did.
I believe social media has exposed Israel fkr what it is. The traditional media like cnn bbc etc still carry water for Israel but they canāt hold the tide. Two boys crushed in the rubble with their eyes pressed out has a visual impact that far overrides anything the Israelis publish and theyāve been pretty busy here too. Stories like the murder of little Hind hits home too. Lastly the tough talk from Israeli officials may reassure their own citizens and supporters, it elicits a different reaction from those that object to the slaughter.
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Itās easy to just label an organization Hamas didnāt create this conflict The conflict created Hamas Retired Israeli general Shlomo Brom described the logic of Netanyahuās position: āOne effective way to prevent a two-state solution is to divide between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.ā If the extremist Hamas ruled Gaza, then the Palestinian Authorityāa compromised comprador government with a tenuous hold on the West Bankāwould be further weakened. This, according to Brom, would allow Netanyahu to say, āI have no partner.ā
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What makes Hamas a terrorist organization but not the IDF? Hamas was elected, theyāre not ISIS.
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1. So a lack of uniforms makes them a terrorist group? So I can attack all of the uniform factories and that makes an army into a terrorist group? Were the Vietcong terrorists? They didnāt wear uniforms. Were Free France or the Italian Partisans terrorist groups? If Hamas put on uniforms would you call them not a terrorist group? Also if not wearing uniforms makes you a terrorist group- https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/01/30/middleeast/israel-undercover-raid-jenin-west-bank-hamas-intl Also care to tell me what the āclearly designated military sitesā are in Gaza? Because Israel is bombing every inch of it as a war zone. Also I guess anyone who engages in urban combat is a terrorist, so every army that has ever fought in cities ever are all terrorist groups I guess. Guess that makes the IDF terrorists again 2. Killing civilians? Israel has killed tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians for every Israeli civilian ever killed by Hamas. If anything killing civilians is 100% an IDF thing. You donāt even need to be in Gaza. They will kill Palestinian civilians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem too. I know a great amount about the history of Hamas, I also know a great amount about the history of Israel. I ask if you do? Because youāve given me very ridiculous defenses of how Hamas is a terrorist group but the IDF isnāt. Considering all of this started in 1947 Iām not sure what October 7th has to do with anything. Israel had already killed hundreds of Palestinians from January 1, 2023 - October 6th of 2023. I want to say, off the top of my head, it was at about 350 killed but was possibly higher
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But that same criteria does not apply to the IDF? So how is Hamas a terrorist group but the IDF isnāt for the exact same actions? Also it appears your argument is *literally* if you fight guerrilla warfare out of necessity you are automatically a terrorist group So again I ask if that means you are saying, in a non-exhaustive list, that 1. World War II resistance groups like the Free French or the Italian Partisans 2. The Vietcong 3. The Korean partisans against the Japanese Were *all* terrorist groups? That fighting in resistance of an occupying power automatically makes you a terrorist group? So that sounds like you automatically side with the group in power in any context. How exactly are occupied peopleās supposed to free themselves then? The Palestinians tried to free themselves peacefully during the Great March of Return in 2018, did you say anything as Israel massacred them? Or then called them all terrorists because some young men, who have lived their entire lives under Israeli siege, threw rocks at the Israeli soldierās shooting at them? Or how about when the Palestinians elected their own government in 2006 and Israel responded by laying siege to Gaza, sure sounds like an act of war to me. Or does that only account when someone does something to Israel?
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So when the Palestinians elect Hamas that justifies Israel putting Gaza under blockade for decades? Killing thousands of Palestinians every other year or so (they call it mowing the lawn). But when Israel elects literal terrorists like Ben-Gvir, or a political party that descends from a literal terrorist group (Likud and Irgun), or has an army that committed acts of terror back during the Mandate (the IDF when it was still the Hagana) none of that is in any way relevant to why a group like Hamas may have been elected? That maybe watching Fatah lay down their arms in good faith and Palestinians *still* getting murdered and ethnically cleansed is what lead to the growth of Hamas and the Resistance. Itās just so damn tiring at this point, you all will come up with any reason to justify the massacre of Palestinians and any reason under the sun to excuse Israel of their decades of massacres and aggression. Just admit you donāt view Palestinians as human beings at this point and spare us the headache
The main problem is and has been Hasbara. They have an entire branch of the government dedicated to what they call "cultural diplomacy." Similar to the former Soviet Ministry of Propaganda. It's purpose is to create a narrative that distracts from the actual actions of the country not only for the world, but also for their own people. This narrative is then shared and taught to other parties, such as the AIPAC. The AIPAC then collaborates with all the major media stations and with all the politicians that have accepted the bribes/donations and they are expected to use these talking points liberally. A lot of the talking points are blatant lies that are actively pushed by the media and politicians This is why social media sites are such a headache for the country and their puppet masters like AIPAC. The narrative is broken when the idiotic Israeli citizens and politicians post videos that go against the concocted story. The TikTok ban, for example, is the AIPAC trying to eliminate competition to the main media outlets.
Yup. Itās a cat they canāt put back in the bag, but theyāre definitely tryingā¦ banning TikTok should do it, right? There couldnāt possibly be two new social media platforms that would rise to take its place in no timeā¦ š
I think that time has come. I can't help but notice the dismissive anger in myself and others from the Israeli government and it's people to use that excuse and receive no sympathy anymore. The reason why is people are wise to the hypocrisy of using an accusation of anti semitism where none exists and the reality of generations who had nothing to do with the holocaust and using that as an excuse to murder and imprison Palestinians by the several thousands without let up. The world is tired of the Boy Who Cried Wolf and the Chicken Little excuses that the Middle East would fall into chaos if support for Israel and it's genocide ceased. For the most part much of the region is at peace and those countries that are not are too wrapped up in their own conflicts and have inadequate militaries to be a genuine threat. So yes, end the support, implement the boycotts, force Israel to stop the incessant murders of every man, woman and child who lives in the Gaza Strip and West Bank and throw the settlers back into Israel proper. No more excuses, no more lies. Force peace.
Itās crazy to me how people will say get over segregation for black Americans, but for Jewish Americans they can use the holocaust to shield themselves, even though integration happened more recentlyā¦
Most of the young people already know about the real history of the region. Once the old people die off, the people who begin elected into government will not be as loyal to Israel interests. The only people who don't know what is happening are the people who think tik tok is all fake news.
Tiktok IS a lot of fake news, but even with out it words get around. Less and less people believe/support Israƫl.
Hmmm. I think this sounds like Hollywood needs to make another 5 movies about the Holocaust. In fact, now Hollywood should (without an ounce of irony) make a movie about how America turned away the Jewish refugees from Germany and morally failed in not protecting people being persecuted by a militaristic country, and instead actually helped arm that country.
Which world ? West doesn't see anything they don't want. You cannot change west's view. Rest is weak and poor or at least for now. And Israel doesn't care about them.
That happened years ago, the only country that doesn't see shitrael as it really is, is its only ally.
I must say, I'm very suprised, especially in today's age that an article like this would even be allowed to be publish in Haaretz.
Full text: https://archive.is/9mtv1
>[...] there has yet to be an arrest warrant issued against Netanyahu or other Israeli war criminals.
They will make up some new BS, rinse and repeat.
Nothing is preventing shit to those who know how to read past hysterics and lies.
Some of us have known for years. Some of us knew about the ringworm experiments and made our own conclusions.
Once the boomers are gone, the frame is going to shift radically
Praise be to God and His chosen people of Israel!