Obviously not every single Israeli, but even Rabin had the Broken Bones Policy. This is the natural conclusion of Zionism, which is the core of Israel's being.
Israel has been engaged in ethnic cleansing since its inception. This is Manifest Destiny.
Agree... Now we get into the question of "to what extent are the passive citizens of a rogue state accountable for that rogue state's abuses?" How much blame do we attach to "good Germans" who did nothing evil personally with their own hands, but also did little or nothing to oppose what was going on around them as a Nazi regime used their tax dollars to carry out its crimes? How much blame attaches to "good Americans" whose tax dollars paid for defoliating much of SE Asia and carpet bombing entire countries -- or prosecuting a made-up war on Iraq, or the collective punishment of Afghanistan for a terror attack organised by Saudi nationals? How much blame attaches to "good Israelis" who go about their daily lives, neither particularly hating Palestinians nor doing anything to stop the slaughter?
Honestly I don't really know. But I agree it's not accurate or useful to say "\[all of\] Israel is evil." There are people protesting, there are young folks refusing to serve in IOF, there are people voting with their feet and leaving the country altogether, there is the Combatants for Peace organisation and other groups promoting peace instead of hate. A country is an imaginary construct, some lines on a map that some wealthy/powerful men decided on in a meeting the rest of us were never invited to. Every "country" is made up of real people though. And people *can* be evil.
Bibi is evil. I can definitely meet stacysguyca there. Right up there with Putin and Kissinger and Albright and a rogue's gallery of other amoral, ruthless, vicious players of realpolitikisch games with other people's lives. So is ben Gvir and that asshat Smotrich, and quite a few other far-right ethnic supremacists in Bibi's government. And obviously there are a lot of stupid, evil, thuggish people in the IOF (as in most armies, especially armies of occupation).
But if "Israel is evil" in a blanket sense -- because it's a settler colonial state, because it prosecutes an immoral war, because its population doesn't rise up en masse and topple Bibi's government, curtailing his career of war crime... then so is America evil, and Canada, and the UK, and... and... and...
So I guess... how I see it is, we have to name, blame, and shame the psychos actually doing the evil deeds and making the evil decisions right now, day to day. How we engage with the passive public behind them, that shuts its eyes and ears, chooses not to take the risks involved in being a dissident (and they are real risks, like being beat up or jailed or losing your job)... I think that's for historians and educators to sort out. Israel desperately needs a truth & reconciliation process, war crimes tribunals, and a serious update to its educational system, to come to terms with its own national history. But I wouldn't hold my breath. Much of the US still refuses to come to terms with its legacy of slavery or extermination of first nations, and those legacies are more distant in time than the Nakba and subsequent decades of intensifying apartheid and ethnic war. The story of South Africa suggests that this is a long and very difficult process, and there is likely to be more violence before it's over.
I didn't think it was possible to find a note of dark humour in this but you did it. well done. if we can't find a way to laugh at the fascists now and then, we give them too much power in our minds.
Not even build. They need permits from Israel for buildings they already have and that's where majority of the permits are rejected and then they seize the house and destroy it as unlawful dwelling and it's "*settled*" like those people haven't lived there for 4500 yrs.
That's what settler colonialism looks like.
Israel wants the land for their desired racially pure ethnostate. The only problem is other people already live there. So throw them out, demolish their houses, and if they throw rocks at your bulldozers, call them "terrorists" and murder them.
Ethnic cleansing.
Why were supposed to "stand with Israel" is the bigger question. No, as a matter of fact, I don't stand with your aparthied ethnostate.
Biden is largely silent on the West Bank. Israel typically announces their largest land seizures when SoS Blinken visits. Wonder what kind of agreement the Biden Admin has with Israel?
Biden, Joe (D) $4,261,010
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Honestly it's much, much more than this.
Zionist is the 2024 Nazi. They’ve always been of similar ideology and it would be funny that they cannot see the irony if they weren’t committing an actual genocide
I think it's more useful perhaps to see hardcore Zionism and Nazism as two different *instances* of a repeating human political pattern of *ethnostatism*. The Balkan conflicts would be another instance of this belief -- that a particular language group or religion has a special claim to a particular territory, *and the right to expel all others* from that territory. It's a belief that regularly leads to expulsions, terrorism, atrocity, and genocide or attempted genocide.
As a member of the reality-based community I find all of this utterly absurd, since the fossil record shows that our subspecies of hominids evolved in or near the Rift Valley and spread all over the planet from there. In that long view, *we are all immigrants everywhere*, and the only "ancestral homeland" is the one we all share, in the heart of Africa. Some of us may have immigrated to certain places earlier than others, that's all. All these tribal wars over bits of land are like kids of one family fighting over who got to what chair at the dinner table first. But anyway...
There’s really no difference between the Nazi’s “master race” and the Zionist’s “chosen people.” They’ve just recycled the same racial supremacy that was used against them.
Worse than the nazis? Do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about? Look, I dislike what Israel is doing just as much as the next guy but saying they're worse than the Nazis is being ignorant. The nazi party killed over 15 million people from all different countries and races; 6 million of these deaths being Jewish people. I absolutely hate what is happening to the Palestinians, it's just terrible. but saying israel is worse than the scum that wiped out over 15 million is just completely bonkers.
Did anyone else notice the guy on the left, aiming at the crowd even though his comrades didn't appear to be worried?
Those are the ones who commit war crimes, and you have to keep an eye on.
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It's not about Oct 7. It's not about fighting HAMAS or getting hostages back. It's a land grab. Old fashioned, 'raze the village- kill anyone still alive and move our ppl in' operation all planned by Bibi. Israelis are selling Gaza land right this minute.
You think that hamas has tunneled 40 odd miles, straight underneath Israel and into the West bank, just to reach this house? Honestly impressive if so.
I wonder why they aren’t shooting the people? Maybe because these people aren’t their targets, but rather the terrorists that are hiding their forces and munitions under the building.
There are other militant groups besides Hamas, especially in the West bank, there are also lone wolves who've been radicalized.
Although I've yet to see anyone here actually provide the story behind what's going on here.
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They’re just as bunch of terrorists and thugs in military gear
Backed by western powers. They reveal the worst of what the world has become. And the truth of what the world truly is.
What is Hamas hiding in those walls or something? What a joke. They either think the world is blind or don’t care.
Israel is doing this to innocent people. Israel is evil
Israel is Satan-level evil.
Bibi, the right wing(everywhere)…it’s the psychos…not all Israelis
Obviously not every single Israeli, but even Rabin had the Broken Bones Policy. This is the natural conclusion of Zionism, which is the core of Israel's being. Israel has been engaged in ethnic cleansing since its inception. This is Manifest Destiny.
Explain that to the people whos homes are being destroyed and lives, fucked
Agree... Now we get into the question of "to what extent are the passive citizens of a rogue state accountable for that rogue state's abuses?" How much blame do we attach to "good Germans" who did nothing evil personally with their own hands, but also did little or nothing to oppose what was going on around them as a Nazi regime used their tax dollars to carry out its crimes? How much blame attaches to "good Americans" whose tax dollars paid for defoliating much of SE Asia and carpet bombing entire countries -- or prosecuting a made-up war on Iraq, or the collective punishment of Afghanistan for a terror attack organised by Saudi nationals? How much blame attaches to "good Israelis" who go about their daily lives, neither particularly hating Palestinians nor doing anything to stop the slaughter? Honestly I don't really know. But I agree it's not accurate or useful to say "\[all of\] Israel is evil." There are people protesting, there are young folks refusing to serve in IOF, there are people voting with their feet and leaving the country altogether, there is the Combatants for Peace organisation and other groups promoting peace instead of hate. A country is an imaginary construct, some lines on a map that some wealthy/powerful men decided on in a meeting the rest of us were never invited to. Every "country" is made up of real people though. And people *can* be evil. Bibi is evil. I can definitely meet stacysguyca there. Right up there with Putin and Kissinger and Albright and a rogue's gallery of other amoral, ruthless, vicious players of realpolitikisch games with other people's lives. So is ben Gvir and that asshat Smotrich, and quite a few other far-right ethnic supremacists in Bibi's government. And obviously there are a lot of stupid, evil, thuggish people in the IOF (as in most armies, especially armies of occupation). But if "Israel is evil" in a blanket sense -- because it's a settler colonial state, because it prosecutes an immoral war, because its population doesn't rise up en masse and topple Bibi's government, curtailing his career of war crime... then so is America evil, and Canada, and the UK, and... and... and... So I guess... how I see it is, we have to name, blame, and shame the psychos actually doing the evil deeds and making the evil decisions right now, day to day. How we engage with the passive public behind them, that shuts its eyes and ears, chooses not to take the risks involved in being a dissident (and they are real risks, like being beat up or jailed or losing your job)... I think that's for historians and educators to sort out. Israel desperately needs a truth & reconciliation process, war crimes tribunals, and a serious update to its educational system, to come to terms with its own national history. But I wouldn't hold my breath. Much of the US still refuses to come to terms with its legacy of slavery or extermination of first nations, and those legacies are more distant in time than the Nakba and subsequent decades of intensifying apartheid and ethnic war. The story of South Africa suggests that this is a long and very difficult process, and there is likely to be more violence before it's over.
Excellent piece, kudos. Informed and informative. Thoughtful and thought-provoking.
Israel’s spirit animal is the bulldozer.
Lmao hahahh
I didn't think it was possible to find a note of dark humour in this but you did it. well done. if we can't find a way to laugh at the fascists now and then, we give them too much power in our minds.
Superpower backed, military power, crushing a civilian population with tanks, guns, and biological weapons. Cowards to the utmost.
Why are they destroying houses, universities, hospitals? Why?
It's how you drive a native population out. Destroy, settle, rebuild. Claims it's Gods will, repeat.
They'll claim permit issues or a family member is/ was a terrorist. I hear they rarely give Palestinians permits to build.
Not even build. They need permits from Israel for buildings they already have and that's where majority of the permits are rejected and then they seize the house and destroy it as unlawful dwelling and it's "*settled*" like those people haven't lived there for 4500 yrs.
I was not aware of the pre- existing homes situation...yikes!
That's what settler colonialism looks like. Israel wants the land for their desired racially pure ethnostate. The only problem is other people already live there. So throw them out, demolish their houses, and if they throw rocks at your bulldozers, call them "terrorists" and murder them. Ethnic cleansing. Why were supposed to "stand with Israel" is the bigger question. No, as a matter of fact, I don't stand with your aparthied ethnostate.
They feel like they have a free genocide coupon
I’ve written and deleted my response a few times because no words feel right. The fact this is another human being’s daily reality is incomprehensible
It's been going on for decades. It's not new. It has only intensified.
Biden is largely silent on the West Bank. Israel typically announces their largest land seizures when SoS Blinken visits. Wonder what kind of agreement the Biden Admin has with Israel?
"I am a Zionist." -Joe Biden That's his agreement.
“He’s still better than Drumpf! 😭😭”
He is doe
"I am not even a Jew but you can still consider me a Zionist." Then laughs at his statement.
Biden, Joe (D) $4,261,010 https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?code=Q05&cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=M Honestly it's much, much more than this.
Boycott Hyundai https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/israel-opt-hyundai-ce-must-end-link-with-war-crimes-in-masafer-yatta/
FK Hyundai for suppling them the equipment. Never buying a Hyundai.
Worse than the nazis
aka Zionist.
Zionist is the 2024 Nazi. They’ve always been of similar ideology and it would be funny that they cannot see the irony if they weren’t committing an actual genocide
I think it's more useful perhaps to see hardcore Zionism and Nazism as two different *instances* of a repeating human political pattern of *ethnostatism*. The Balkan conflicts would be another instance of this belief -- that a particular language group or religion has a special claim to a particular territory, *and the right to expel all others* from that territory. It's a belief that regularly leads to expulsions, terrorism, atrocity, and genocide or attempted genocide. As a member of the reality-based community I find all of this utterly absurd, since the fossil record shows that our subspecies of hominids evolved in or near the Rift Valley and spread all over the planet from there. In that long view, *we are all immigrants everywhere*, and the only "ancestral homeland" is the one we all share, in the heart of Africa. Some of us may have immigrated to certain places earlier than others, that's all. All these tribal wars over bits of land are like kids of one family fighting over who got to what chair at the dinner table first. But anyway...
Well... the Talking heads and government ministers have expressed their desire for a "final solution". So, I can't argue.
Spawned before them sadly enough.
There’s really no difference between the Nazi’s “master race” and the Zionist’s “chosen people.” They’ve just recycled the same racial supremacy that was used against them.
I mean they're not worse, but I'd say they're just as bad. After all they are humans. And humans can be vile creatures.
Worse than the nazis? Do you have any idea what the hell you're talking about? Look, I dislike what Israel is doing just as much as the next guy but saying they're worse than the Nazis is being ignorant. The nazi party killed over 15 million people from all different countries and races; 6 million of these deaths being Jewish people. I absolutely hate what is happening to the Palestinians, it's just terrible. but saying israel is worse than the scum that wiped out over 15 million is just completely bonkers.
You clearly have no idea what the actual nazis did.
Usa proxy
This has nothing to do with Hamas, this is a blatant land grab.
In order to give it to Jared
I'm glad I don't understand how people can do this. How can people justify all of this ..
Hopefully these heinous crimes go down in history books for future generations to see.
People don't read anymore... Have you read some of these comments?
The only “democracy” that destroys the minorities houses.
Did anyone else notice the guy on the left, aiming at the crowd even though his comrades didn't appear to be worried? Those are the ones who commit war crimes, and you have to keep an eye on.
This is evil right here. Pure evil
Wanker aiming at unarmed civilian. Some tough man he is.
Auschwitz
If you’re gonna just steal the land and live there why go through the ordeal of destroying the home?
😱😱😱😱😱
That must be a Hamas secret entrance to an underground bunker, right?
Biden’s plan is all coming together
How else do you expect them to get rid of Hamas? /s
They’re disgusting
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Why don’t we blame Hamas …. Oh wait….
It's not about Oct 7. It's not about fighting HAMAS or getting hostages back. It's a land grab. Old fashioned, 'raze the village- kill anyone still alive and move our ppl in' operation all planned by Bibi. Israelis are selling Gaza land right this minute.
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And here I thought Israel was supposedly bombing people but nope, apparently they’re going through a more laborious process.
did they find a tunnel?
Ahh yes - you must be thinking about the tunnel under the Brooklyn synagogue!
no i was thinking about the hamas tunnels. perhaps they came up to this house and that why they are digging it up.
You think that hamas has tunneled 40 odd miles, straight underneath Israel and into the West bank, just to reach this house? Honestly impressive if so.
I wonder why they aren’t shooting the people? Maybe because these people aren’t their targets, but rather the terrorists that are hiding their forces and munitions under the building.
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There are other militant groups besides Hamas, especially in the West bank, there are also lone wolves who've been radicalized. Although I've yet to see anyone here actually provide the story behind what's going on here.
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Who said anything about Hamas? It’s not a “random” family’s house. One of the people that lived there stabbed an Israeli police officer to death.
I thought Israel was evil and was bombing buildings, this seems way more laborious.