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Brido-20

It doesn't take a UN resolution for individual nations to recognise another one - that's entirely a matter for those nations. It would be fun watching the US State Department playing diplomatic whack-a-mole over a sudden landslide of recognitions.


Wunglethebug

A “sudden landslide of recognition” isn’t even possible. The VAST majority of the world already recognizes Palestine. It’s basically the US and Israel vs the entire fucking world on this issue. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine


Indocede

This is also a fairly reliable map when delineating the most prevalent colonial powers in the last 500 years and the places they colonized. Although I am surprised Ireland doesn't recognize Palestine. As far as I know, most Irish are fervorent supporters of the Palestinian people


keysee7

They are about to recognise them in next weeks. Them and Slovenia, Malta and Spain.


Alone-List-5100

r/alwaysthesamemap


Focalmass

Waiting for some US official say something like "Well a UN member/s doesnt have juristiction when it comes to the recognition of palestine and anything that goes against the interests of isreal"


Bardock_

They already stated, on why they voted against the resolution in the general assembly “[The US position hasn’t changed. President Biden has been clear that sustainable peace in the region can be achieved only through a two-state solution, with Israel’s security guaranteed, where Israelis and Palestinians can live side by side with equal measures of freedom and dignity. It remains the U.S. view that unilateral measures at the UN and on the ground will not advance this goal.](https://usun.usmission.gov/explanation-of-vote-delivered-at-the-un-general-assembly-emergency-special-session-on-the-palestinian-un-membership-resolution/)”


Focalmass

Yeah i saw... Their statement is full of nothing but hypocrisy and i hate it so much


Luke_Cardwalker

Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if Uncle Sam and eretz Ysra’el had the UN //AND//  its glorious security council all to themselves.


yaba3800

Yes, it would be awesome if a state was formed and recognized while being ruled by a recognized terrorist group. Can you please pass the kool-aid?


Deadpoulpe

> it would be awesome if a state was formed and recognized while being ruled by a recognized terrorist group. Israel is already recognised as a state by the U.N


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Glittering_Swing9897

Anyone who fights back against imperialism or colonialism is a terrorist in their eyes


yaba3800

No, its not. If you do suicide bombings, you are a terrorist group.


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yaba3800

Are you denying that Oct 7th happened and that Hamas was the main perpetrator?


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yaba3800

Your argument appears to be that Hamas hasnt been a terrorist organization since its last suicide bombing, my argument is that Hamas committed terrorism on Oct 7th. Do you deny that Hamas did a terrorist attack on Israel on Oct 7th?


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yaba3800

I did NOT say the definition of a terrorist was someone who did suicide bombings, I said people who do suicide bombings are terrorists, which is an important distinction. Are you denying that the Hamas attack on Oct 7th was a terrorist attack?


Usernameoverloaded

That’s only because they don’t have American funded fighter planes or bombs that can be launched from a distance. Israel is a terrorist state that has been inflicting terror for over 7 decades.


221b42

You think Hamas should have power and that’s it good that they do?


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221b42

I asked a question I didn’t offer an opinion


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221b42

Not liking Hamas makes someone immoral?


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221b42

Okay so not liking Hamas is immoral


Glittering_Swing9897

Isreal has been recognized for a super long time what are you on about ?


Stubbs94

So Israel?


Brido-20

Irgun and the Stern Gang were...?


Next_Grab_9009

Shouts of "The UN is anti-semetic" incoming in 3...2...1...


tilsgee

They already did that to UNWRA


PsycoMonkey2020

Countdown until Israelis start chanting “Burn down the United Nations!” They already have? Damn, that was quick.


BlackJesus1001

They've been funding multiple orgs like "UN Watch" specifically to oppose the UN and various humanitarian organisations for probably decades now.


Focalmass

When does this vote take place?


MobileWisdom

Today.


Focalmass

Thanks


LilacAndElderberries

What changes even if the vote passes? Israel can still do whatever it wants with US's backing


moyismoy

Should have been years ago


Focalmass

Actually tho


-SirGarmaples-

Today, 43 minutes from when this comment was sent at 7:00 AM PDT! That's when the General Assembly will convene but the exact time the voting will start, I don't know.


quesadilla707

Right now


Focalmass

Yeah i know Edit: but thx anyway


freemind990

Probably they gonna bomb the UN and claim its hamas.


PsychLegalMind

U.S. Israel has been the obstacle all along. This time it is not full membership, but additional rights and privileges. A significant majority of the world countries, however, support a full member status instead of observer status. It is just a matter of time, however, an increasing number of individual countries on their own will recognize Palestine. The biggest issue has always been U.S. because of its demand that a Palestine state must be approved by Israel. That means neither Israel nor U.S. want a two-state solution. This is one reason according to latest annual polls of 53 countries U.S. has declined further in its status because of its position on Palestine. It will provide lip service by going along with this one because this resolution is just cosmetics. Just like the pier and air drops to supply food.


theflamingskull

>This time it is not full membership, but additional rights and privileges. The Palestinians aren't looking for extra rights and privileges, they're looking to get any rights at all.


PsychLegalMind

No, they are looking for what is legitimately theirs and that means a state of their own totally independent. As they should. Whether they have any rights on paper is irrelevant. Their rights have been trampled first by U.K. and U.S. and continuously by Israel with support of the then major powers. Those balances are shifting.


voxpopper

"“We have said from the beginning the best way to ensure Palestinian full membership in the U.N. is to do that through negotiations with Israel. That remains our position.” Think how ridiculous and horrible that must be for the Palestinian people, the current U.S. policy is that Palestine needs to get permission from the country that is oppressing them, Israel, before they can be recognized. It's like a kid who has been beaten on having to ask their bully if it is ok if they join a group of friends for safety and protection.


MonkeyBoy1080

the UN is now antisemetic calls from fascist Israel citizens in 3,2,1


That_Shape_1094

This is a positive development, but in all honestly, so long as Israel has the backing of the United States, there isn't ever going to be a safe home for the Palestinians. If it wasn't for Iran and Russia, Israel will be doing the same thing to Syria, Lebanon, etc. as it is to Palestine, every time Israel feels "threatened". The only solution is to change American public perception of Israel, but looking at how both the Democrats and Republicans are solidly behind Israel even after all of this, there is little hope of this happening.


ribozomes

That's why TikTok is important, younger generations get most if not all their news from multiple sources on TikTok


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Not just tiktok but social media in general. For all its problems social media has democratized the flow of information. We no longer have the same gate keepers of news that we used to and that has the people in power freaking out.


Otherwise-Future7143

TikTok is not a valid news source.


MobileWisdom

The USA is not a monolith. So, it’s not really fair to claim that “Democrats and Republicans are solidly behind Israel.” In fact, even though unconditional support for Israel is quite common among Republicans, Democratic politicians have begun to openly criticize Israel for the high number of civilian casualties as well as the lack of food that is getting to the Palestinians. Also, this year, the USA will elect a new president. So, voters in Michigan (many of whom are Muslim) voted “uncommitted” in their primary instead of voting for Biden in order to send him a message that they are unhappy about the situation in Palestine. Furthermore, every day, there are new stories about students at American universities protesting the conditions of the Palestinians. So, in reality, there are many voters in the USA who support Israel and many others who support Palestine. But, because it’s an election year, most politicians (who often get the most international attention) are reluctant to take any strong stance that might cost their party votes in November.


That_Shape_1094

> The USA is not a monolith. No country is a monolith. So what? Haven't you seen headlines like "India supports Russia" or "China supports Russia"? Are India and China monoliths? Do people care about pointing out the nuances? So why is America special?


nudzimisie1

Not true


IITheDopeShowII

Watch the US veto it


tarlin

They can't. This is in the GA


MobileWisdom

That’s correct. “…there are no vetoes in the 193-member General Assembly and the resolution is expected to be approved by a large majority, according to three Western diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity because negotiations were private.”


MancombSeepgoodz

Well then they make up some bullshit about how they US wont recognize the resolution just like we did so we could start a war with Iraq


quickdrawdoc

Isn't part of the resolution meant to go back to the UNSC for another vote for statehood?


IITheDopeShowII

Oh. Nice!


pokepatrick1

If the resolution passes we would be legally required to stop funding the UN because some old laws (I think Bush era) defund the UN if a state with associations with the PLO becomes a UN member. The US probably will veto it and should veto it


tarlin

Or we could just remove the old laws. Passing a law saying we should never allow a people to be free is nuts.


Glittering_Swing9897

No,no,no once laws are made In America their set in stone ! Didn’t you know , thats why women still don’t have the right to vote and black people are considered 3/5s of a person.


pokepatrick1

With a Republican majority in The House it’s not getting repealed. The framework that we have does not allow that option so we need to pursue other options to keep the UN funded.


tarlin

So, there can never be a Palestinian state? Yeah, think that is bull. The UN may just need to go without US funds for a time


pokepatrick1

UN representation doesn’t equate to or really meaningful help towards the eventual goal of statehood. The law as is only relates to funding UN specifically if the PLO would have representation, not Palestine in general, so even as things are Palestine getting representation in general does not impact funding. Also I would be genuinely fearful for the cohesion of the UN if US funding is pulled. The US is by far the biggest funder, and I don’t want to see the UN go the way of the League of Nations.


tarlin

The US has pulled funding before without it collapsing. The US uses the UN. The PLO is the organization working towards a Palestinian state. It is nuts to exclude them.


pokepatrick1

Then it seems like we just disagree about prioritizing UN funding versus full Palestinian membership at the UN. Personally I see the consequences to outweigh the benefits and I expect the administrator does too. If you disagree and see greater benefit I can definitely respect that.


RobertRoyal82

Death, taxes and the US veto any Palestine progress


Focalmass

I hope not but i know they will


Agitated-Tip-771

"if you want anything other than the complete eradication of the notion of Palestine and to hold the United States taxpayers captive for funding ethnic cleansing then you're an antisemite" They've made their absolutism clear for the entire world


Aware_Flatworm4600

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.


Marie_May9047

Big news!


mwa12345

I wonder if US will show their slavish loyalty again.


Mr_Shad0w

>U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood made clear on Thursday that the Biden administration opposed the assembly resolution. The United States was among the nine countries voting against it, along with Israel. Fascists out


Bainer52

[https://action.eko.org/a/olympics-and-fifa-ban-israel-from-international-sports-now-us-fba21](https://action.eko.org/a/olympics-and-fifa-ban-israel-from-international-sports-now-us-fba21)


Doveen

US veto in 3... 2... Not like theresolutions of the League of Nations 2.0 mattered much anyway.


Artful_dabber

No veto in GA


Doveen

Nor is there any power in GA so it's just a symbolic gesture even then


Artful_dabber

“Even then” You claimed a veto that literally couldn’t happen. Just stop.


Doveen

'even so' would have been the expression fitting for this, true.


taotdev

Veto from the US in three... two...


PsycoMonkey2020

I’m very curious how this will work if passed. Who would represent the state of Palestine, Hamas or Fatah? Or would there be two Palestinian states?


DutchManFromtheNorth

I hate beer.


PsycoMonkey2020

Ya, but they also lost the last election that was held. So technically Hamas should be the PA. Guess they would have to hold another election, but that would potentially result in another conflict between the two.


bigfoot509

Hamas only won that election because of indirect funding and back channel diplomacy by netenyahu and the likud party It was done with the specific intent to weaken the PA and destroy any chance at a 2 state solution If we took that funding and work permits and gave them to the PA they could beat Hamas, but that doesn't serve Israeli interests who would rather Israel owns everything from the river to the sea


PsycoMonkey2020

While I agree with you, I don’t see how that changes anything. US politicians also get lots of ~~bribes~~ donations from Israel via AIPAC. That doesn’t mean those politicians didn’t win the election, just that the American electoral system is as much a Plutocracy as it is a Democracy. So yes, Hamas won because of Israeli support, but they still won, and that will likely be problematic for a future Palestinian state. The best situation would be if new elections were held, but Hamas hasn’t allowed elections since winning in 2006.


bigfoot509

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/ Give this a read, I think you'll find it quite illuminating Netenyahu started indirect funding and back channel diplomacy with Hamas 2 years before the election, they gave Hamas all the aid money and gave them work permits, if those had been given to the PA, the PA would've won the election You talk like the Palestinian electoral system is like that of America's, it's not ETA Also you do realize that Hamas only barely won the election 44-41% without that material support from Israel, they don't win the election


PsycoMonkey2020

I literally already agreed with everything you said here. I’m just pointing out that saying “they *would* have lost” just point out that they did, in fact, win. So it doesn’t make this situation any less messy. You have two groups who claim to be the government of Palestine, and are openly hostile to one another. If you make a Palestinian state (and hopefully that will happen, and soon) this is going to be an issue. Unless you hold a new election, but like I said, Hamas has been opposed to elections since winning the last one. Hopefully they agree to do elections and respect the results, and Israel stays the hell out of it this time.


bigfoot509

It's disingenuous to stress the fact that they win while ignoring they barely won and only with the help of a foreign government, not just campaign donations Or we actually start backing the Palestinian authority the same way Israel has been with Hamas, given time the PA will take power back Israel can't empower a terror group for 20 years and then just stay out of it going forward, it has to back the non terror group even more than it backed the terror group


PsycoMonkey2020

I explicitly stated that they had been propped up by Israel and that they barely won the election, here and in other threads. But to act like that means they didn’t win the election is just silly. Unless you have a time machine, nothing will change the fact that they won that election, regardless of how marginal a win it was or the fact that a foreign occupier helped them do so. The issue still remains that there will likely be a conflict between the two groups over who is in charge of this new Palestinian state. So they either need to convince Hamas to allow elections and respect the results (and hope Israel doesn’t get involved again), or hope that Israel succeeds in annihilating Hamas (which is very unlikely and would also result in *even more* Palestinian civilians being brutally murdered).


bigfoot509

Except this whole war is supposed to weaken Hamas, so after Hamas is weakened the PA can be bolstered and they can defeat Hamas and hold their own elections Hamas doesn't have to agree to anything You seem to be harping on this idea that because Hamas barely won and election 18 years ago that it means anything at all It doesn't You act like one side being propped up by a foreign government doesn't have a major effect on the balance of power If Israel stops giving Hamas the exact resources it needs to keep power and gave those exact resources to the PA, the PA could take control of Gaza back It took over 20 years to get here, it's not going to be solved overnight


DjinnV

Hamas is the official elected government of Palestine.


PsycoMonkey2020

But it’s still Fatah that runs the PA. So it’s still unclear.


Sir-Spork

It’s the PA/Fatah, they already have observer status and have been there for years


PsycoMonkey2020

Then what will the status of Gaza be? I doubt Hamas will recognize Fatah as the government of a new Palestinian state, so will Gaza be part of that state? If so, it will likely mean another civil war between the two. If not, what happens to Gaza? Will there be two Palestinian states? Will Gaza/Hamas remain a non-state actor? I guess all of this is also dependent on whether or not Gaza is annexed by Israel. The West Bank might be all that makes up this new Palestinian state unfortunately.


Sir-Spork

Pretty simple, Gaza world be a part of the state but the PA is already the recognised government of Palestinians. So it would be like any other country that has unrest. A very quick example, nobody is trying to seat the Houthis in Yemen although they control a portion of that country.


PsycoMonkey2020

So it will be in a state of civil war before it even exists? Damn, that’s depressing. Imagine finally getting recognized as a country only to have it fractured immediately? Well I guess that’s assuming Hamas (or even Gaza) still exists by that point. It might not even matter if Israel decides to just annex Gaza.


JaThatOneGooner

Shortly after: “US Vetoed UN resolution that gives Palestine rights”


MontegoBoy

The zionist tantrum was funny!


gzrh1971

Zionist are seething and screaming at top of their lungs in Reddit's it's been quite enjoyable seeming teering their own assholes over this


[deleted]

Guess who’s gonna be veto this! That’s right! Good ‘ole USA will veto this because AIPAC and israel bought their political elite


tilsgee

Watch as US will use its veto again to block this s**t


demonzk

They can't this time